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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Jan  1 17:55:45 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 08:55:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
Message-ID: <OEMKDOJNJAFEEAAA@angelfire.com>

Holiday Greetings!

I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything one should not demag??  

What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??

Kenny Parsons
Madison, WI  USA

---
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http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper



On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:54:47   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>Let's have a discussion on demagging (demagnetzing) the tape transport mechanisms on Nak decks. I'm about to get a used DM-10 (in my xmas stocking over the fireplace), and I'd like to know the inside scoop on what should/shouldn't be demagged on my little black beauties.  In the past, I've used those TDK and DiscWasher brand demag cassettes, with reasonable results - Mercy dear purists, I've seen the light now! <gr>.  Kindly, would the experts out in NakTalk land share their insights with us up-and-coming users. 
>
>Thanks!!!
>
>Mr Blues
>
>---
>Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
>
>
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>


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Jan  1 19:14:29 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:14:29 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <OEMKDOJNJAFEEAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <000001bf5484$0b8a6a20$d730883e@a4s1s2>

Hi Kenny

I wouldn't have thought it could hurt anything (save for the cassettes, of
course!) if you demaged anything and everything, but I've only ever noticed
significant differences when I've only demaged the heads.  However, I have
heard in one of the UK hi fi mag's that some people seem to think the whole
darned system benefits, and they sell a little cuties that does that via the
phono leads.  It's made by Griphon and called "The Exorcist" system
demagnetiser, and costs £69.00.  Being a cynical b@@@@@d, I wonder if it was
Griphon who also made the King's magic suit ... But, hey!  Maybe they are
right and this isn't just another snake oil package.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> The BlueSwapper
> Sent: 01 January 2000 16:56
> To: NakTalk
> Cc: Mr Blues
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
>
>
> Holiday Greetings!
>
> I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single
> sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a
> bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback
> heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag
> other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything
> one should not demag??
>
> What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out
> your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??
>
> Kenny Parsons
> Madison, WI  USA
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:54:47   The BlueSwapper wrote:
> >Greetings!
> >
> >Let's have a discussion on demagging (demagnetzing) the tape
> transport mechanisms on Nak decks. I'm about to get a used DM-10
> (in my xmas stocking over the fireplace), and I'd like to know
> the inside scoop on what should/shouldn't be demagged on my
> little black beauties.  In the past, I've used those TDK and
> DiscWasher brand demag cassettes, with reasonable results - Mercy
> dear purists, I've seen the light now! <gr>.  Kindly, would the
> experts out in NakTalk land share their insights with us
> up-and-coming users.
> >
> >Thanks!!!
> >
> >Mr Blues
> >
> >---
> >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan  1 21:34:42 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 07:34:42 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
References: <OEMKDOJNJAFEEAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <386E64E2.2A069970@ozemail.com.au>

I demagnetize the heads on my Dragon and have never bothered
with other metal parts.
I'm told that I should, but I just couldn't ever hear any difference
after demagnetizing pinch roller bearing etc.

John H

PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in insulating plastic.)

HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
John H


The BlueSwapper wrote:

> Holiday Greetings!
>
> I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything one should not demag??
>
> What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??
>
> Kenny Parsons
> Madison, WI  USA

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 01:55:16 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 00:55:16 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <386E64E2.2A069970@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2>

John

Re, your Post Script.  I recall the instructions with my old Sony
demagnetiser said much the same thing and, as you describe, the end is
covered with insulating plastic.  So, I've always done exactly as
instructed;  however, I have never understood why this is so important.  Can
you enlighten me (us all), please?  Thanks.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> mdhjwh
> Sent: 01 January 2000 20:35


> PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
> WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in
> insulating plastic.)
>
> HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
> John H
>
>

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From enoyes at snet.net  Sun Jan  2 05:32:25 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 23:32:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
References: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <386ED4D9.B5DABBA5@snet.net>

In a nutshell, Nak went to great trouble to create a playback head with a gap that was
so narrow as to be theoretically impossible... it would be a shame to tear apart that
delicate gap with the bare metal end of a demagnetizing wand, hence the reason you
should never touch the head. Of course, with the plastic covered end of my Nak
demagnetizer, there is no fear and I do bring this right into contact with the head...
Most important part of the whole process is to bring the demagnetizer to the heads
(and away) slowly. A sudden burst of magnetism with the magnitude of a demagnetizer at
close proximity to the heads can actually magnetize the heads so severely that they
can not ever be fully demag'd.

Looks like we all made it into Y2K without a hitch... except the clock chip in my CR7A
remote which reset to 1900 and caused my deck to vaporize when I went into record
mode...

Ed

Graham Nelson wrote:

> John
>
> Re, your Post Script.  I recall the instructions with my old Sony
> demagnetiser said much the same thing and, as you describe, the end is
> covered with insulating plastic.  So, I've always done exactly as
> instructed;  however, I have never understood why this is so important.  Can
> you enlighten me (us all), please?  Thanks.
>
> Graham
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > mdhjwh
> > Sent: 01 January 2000 20:35
>
> > PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
> > WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in
> > insulating plastic.)
> >
> > HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
> > John H
> >
> >
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan  2 06:20:48 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 16:20:48 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Supposed risks of missapplied demagnetization
References: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <386EE030.9FB1C352@ozemail.com.au>

As I understand it . Contact between a demagnertizer and heads
poses two risks
1. Mains power can be conducted through the heads to pre-amp
components and burn them out.
2. The earthing of the demagnetizer to any component prevents
actual demagnetization.(and supposedly achieves the reverse of
demagnetisation)
I not sure that these warnings are valid but I'm not about to
experiment with my Dragon to find out how true they are.

John H



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From richball at buffnet.net  Sun Jan  2 12:56:54 2000
From: richball at buffnet.net (Rich Ball)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 03:56:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
References: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2> <386ED4D9.B5DABBA5@snet.net>
Message-ID: <386F3D05.DF6C9CE6@buffnet.net>

Ed Noyes wrote:

> Looks like we all made it into Y2K without a hitch... except the clock chip in my CR7A
> remote which reset to 1900 and caused my deck to vaporize when I went into record
> mode...
>
> Don't you hate when that happens.  Every hundred years I have to replace my Nak.  Maybe
> it's time to buy a Pioneer...

Rich


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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan  2 18:59:34 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:59:34 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <000001bf5484$0b8a6a20$d730883e@a4s1s2>
References: <OEMKDOJNJAFEEAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000102115934.008042e0@mail.wt.net>

C'mon fellas- this is getting ridiculous!

First off, if you have the instructions for the DM-10, why do you doubt
them? Actually, why don't you post them on this BBS? I assume the DM-10 is
the Nakamichi-Branded demagnetizer tool: it's a little 120Volt hand-held
lack probe/wand with the white tip and says Nakamichi with the Logo in
silver on the body. I have one of these, but don't know the model number. I
also have a Maxell demagnetizer with it's own little light built in. both
the light and the probe are encased in clear plastic that serves to beam
the light directly onto the metal parts being degaussed as well as giving a
protective surface to prevent scratching the head surface with the metal
tip of the probe. Radio Shack used to sell the exact same unit; maybe they
still do.It's VERY handy. I also have a TEAC degausser that is excellent,
but huge- it's made for open real decks up to 2 inch tape width- far too
large for the cassette mechanism.

Three cardinal rules for degaussing:

ALWAYS degauss all metal parts in the tape path, includig tape guides,
cassette aliignment pins, capstans, etc. Anything the tape comes into
contact with or almost touches.

NEVER touch the head with an unprotected steel tip- use plastic or rubber
coated tips. use a fresh piece of cellophane or electrical tape if the tip
is bare steel. Just be wary of the adhesive that eventually comes out from
under old tape that's been on awhile- NOT something you want to transfer to
the heads' tape contact area!

NEVER!, NEVER!, NEVER!!! TURN THE DEMAG ON OR OFF while holding it near the
transport mechanism. You just might induce a powerful magnetic field into
the metal parts of the tape path that you can never get rid of again, and
you will turn your cassette deck into a semi- tape eraser. Definitely not
good...

I always turn on the Degaussing tool at least 12"/30cm away with the wand
pointing perpendicular to the deck, then head toward the transport slowly
with a circualr motion, as if to encircle the transport. I then take this
approach to each of the parts along the tape path, taking care not to stop
at any one location. I wipe the tip of the probe against every bit of each
surface, leaving each piece slowly with the same circling motion. When all
arts have been degaussed, I back away from the transport with the same
circular motionover the entire mechanism turn the probe away from the
transport at about a foot distance, and turn it off.

I have been using this method since my Dad got his first recorder (an Akai
open-reel deck) in 1970, and have used it on everything from 8-track
players to car stereos to my Nak 1000ZXL. I have never had a problem, and I
have Maxell UD-XL I's and II's from 1978 that still sound as good as I ever
remember them to be.

I Hope this helps, and that someone else bothers to actually post other
relevant information or alternative methods to this little chore...

Rudy Kleimann
Houston, Texas

At 06:14 PM 1/1/00 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi Kenny
>
>I wouldn't have thought it could hurt anything (save for the cassettes, of
>course!) if you demaged anything and everything, but I've only ever noticed
>significant differences when I've only demaged the heads.  However, I have
>heard in one of the UK hi fi mag's that some people seem to think the whole
>darned system benefits, and they sell a little cuties that does that via the
>phono leads.  It's made by Griphon and called "The Exorcist" system
>demagnetiser, and costs £69.00.  Being a cynical b@@@@@d, I wonder if it was
>Griphon who also made the King's magic suit ... But, hey!  Maybe they are
>right and this isn't just another snake oil package.
>
>Graham
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> The BlueSwapper
>> Sent: 01 January 2000 16:56
>> To: NakTalk
>> Cc: Mr Blues
>> Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
>>
>>
>> Holiday Greetings!
>>
>> I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single
>> sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a
>> bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback
>> heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag
>> other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything
>> one should not demag??
>>
>> What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out
>> your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??
>>
>> Kenny Parsons
>> Madison, WI  USA
>>
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:54:47   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>> >Greetings!
>> >
>> >Let's have a discussion on demagging (demagnetzing) the tape
>> transport mechanisms on Nak decks. I'm about to get a used DM-10
>> (in my xmas stocking over the fireplace), and I'd like to know
>> the inside scoop on what should/shouldn't be demagged on my
>> little black beauties.  In the past, I've used those TDK and
>> DiscWasher brand demag cassettes, with reasonable results - Mercy
>> dear purists, I've seen the light now! <gr>.  Kindly, would the
>> experts out in NakTalk land share their insights with us
>> up-and-coming users.
>> >
>> >Thanks!!!
>> >
>> >Mr Blues
>> >
>> >---
>> >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>>
>>
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan  2 19:13:16 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 12:13:16 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <000101bf54bc$08baade0$d730883e@a4s1s2>
References: <386E64E2.2A069970@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000102121316.0080ce60@mail.wt.net>

The reason you never touch the heads (or any other part in the tape path)
with a bare steel tip is the the bare steel will scratch up the polished
surface of the transport parts from contact not only from a relatively
unsteady hand, but due to the vibration caused by the 50Hz/60Hz AC power
source operating the electromagnet coils inside the demagnetizer when you
hold it near the parts. An unprotected tip is equivalent to operating a
jack-hammer to those surfaces; the coating provides a thin cushion to
prevent damage. Otherwise, your degaussed parts would be transformed into
tape-destroying scrapes and bumps along the tape path.

I would've included this detail in my earlier instructions post, but I
assumed that this would be obviously self-explanatory, or that someone
wouldn't need to know the why's so much as the what's of the dos and donts
of the procedure... 

At 12:55 AM 1/2/00 -0000, you wrote:
>John
>
>Re, your Post Script.  I recall the instructions with my old Sony
>demagnetiser said much the same thing and, as you describe, the end is
>covered with insulating plastic.  So, I've always done exactly as
>instructed;  however, I have never understood why this is so important.  Can
>you enlighten me (us all), please?  Thanks.
>
>Graham
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> mdhjwh
>> Sent: 01 January 2000 20:35
>
>
>> PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
>> WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in
>> insulating plastic.)
>>
>> HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
>> John H
>>
>>
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 20:00:37 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 11:00:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
Message-ID: <20000102190037.12646.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com>


--- Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> wrote:
> In a nutshell, Nak went to great trouble to create a
> playback head with a gap that was so narrow as to be
> theoretically impossible... it would be a shame to
> tear apart that delicate gap with the bare metal end
> of a demagnetizing wand, hence the reason you should
> never touch the head.

You should never contact *any* head with a metal
part of a demagnetizer (that's plugged into the
power line), because the leakage current could
cause damage to the deck.

In addition, *always* turn the deck off before
demagnetizing. Otherwise, the induced 60Hz voltage
in the head could, again, blow the head preamplifier
device (not to mention, your speakers).

-- Ron

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 22:14:20 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:14:20 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Y2k without a hitch ....
In-Reply-To: <386ED4D9.B5DABBA5@snet.net>
Message-ID: <000601bf5566$55a89540$943d883e@a4s1s2>

No worries, Ed.  It will rematerialise in about 100 years time, when you'll
find it as good as you left it ...or rather, it left you!

Graham

 Looks like we all made it into Y2K without a hitch... except the
> clock chip in my CR7A
> remote which reset to 1900 and caused my deck to vaporize when I
> went into record
> mode...
>
> Ed
>
>


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 22:32:52 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:32:52 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000102121316.0080ce60@mail.wt.net>
Message-ID: <000d01bf5568$ece73b80$943d883e@a4s1s2>

Rudy

Thanking you ever so 'umbly, sir, for your generous instruction.  I'm afraid
some of us lesser mortals lack your finer education, sir, and 'ave to ask
these silly questions.  Y' see we don't make 'em - we only play 'em and no
one ever told us such excellent technical knowledge as bestowed on us
plebarians by your goodself was a prerequisite to using, let alone owning,
one of thes fine cassette machines ...

.... oooh... I don't know if I dare touch it now!

Ever so 'umble, Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Rudy J. Kleimann III
> Sent: 02 January 2000 18:13
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
>
>
> The reason you never touch the heads (or any other part in the tape path)
> with a bare steel tip is the the bare steel will scratch up the polished
> surface of the transport parts from contact not only from a relatively
> unsteady hand, but due to the vibration caused by the 50Hz/60Hz AC power
> source operating the electromagnet coils inside the demagnetizer when you
> hold it near the parts. An unprotected tip is equivalent to operating a
> jack-hammer to those surfaces; the coating provides a thin cushion to
> prevent damage. Otherwise, your degaussed parts would be transformed into
> tape-destroying scrapes and bumps along the tape path.
>
> I would've included this detail in my earlier instructions post, but I
> assumed that this would be obviously self-explanatory, or that someone
> wouldn't need to know the why's so much as the what's of the dos and donts
> of the procedure...
>
> At 12:55 AM 1/2/00 -0000, you wrote:
> >John
> >
> >Re, your Post Script.  I recall the instructions with my old Sony
> >demagnetiser said much the same thing and, as you describe, the end is
> >covered with insulating plastic.  So, I've always done exactly as
> >instructed;  however, I have never understood why this is so
> important.  Can
> >you enlighten me (us all), please?  Thanks.
> >
> >Graham
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of
> >> mdhjwh
> >> Sent: 01 January 2000 20:35
> >
> >
> >> PS The important thing to remember is DON'T TOUCH THE HEADS
> >> WITH A BARE DEMAGNETIZER. (most have the working end covered in
> >> insulating plastic.)
> >>
> >> HAil fellow Nakamaniacs of the new Millennia
> >> John H
> >>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Mon Jan  3 00:16:01 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 15:16:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
Message-ID: <AEADBILHOFIKEAAA@angelfire.com>

Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the information that needs to be more clearly understood, compiled, and documented for user reference.  

Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18 cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER

The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from time to time.

1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a running tape makes contact.

2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.

3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.

4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.

5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart from the head.

Nakamichi Corporation
Research Development & Manufacturing
Copyright 1985

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak gear informational webpage:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html

I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  

Thanks again!

Kenny Parsons
Madison, WI  USA

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http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On 2 Jan 2000 19:02:58, naktalk-digest wrote:

>
>Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:59:34 -0600
>From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
>
>C'mon fellas- this is getting ridiculous!
>
>First off, if you have the instructions for the DM-10, why do you doubt
>them? Actually, why don't you post them on this BBS? I assume the DM-10 is
>the Nakamichi-branded demagnetizer tool: it's a little 120Volt hand-held
>black probe/wand with the white tip and says Nakamichi with the logo in
>silver on the body....... 
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 16:30:16 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:30:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
Message-ID: <20000103153016.25792.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com>


I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
like BlueSwapper's DM-10.

I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
incorporates some means for slowing down the
magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
(I know mine doesn't.)

Without such slow down, there is a chance the
head will receive a healthy jolt of a
unidirectional magnetic field as the
demagnetizer is switched on. This will
*magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
the point of doing things in the order
recommended by Nakamichi.

Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
an overkill (why would anything except the
play head become magnetized in the first
place?), but doing it takes less time than
justifying it...

-- Ron


--- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
> Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
> information that needs to be more clearly understood,
> compiled, and documented for user reference.  
> 
> Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
> they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
> hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
> with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
> cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
> for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
> official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
> Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
> 
> The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
> with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
> is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
> time to time.
> 
> 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
> running tape makes contact.
> 
> 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
> 
> 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
> 
> 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
> 
> 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
> from the head.
> 
> Nakamichi Corporation
> Research Development & Manufacturing
> Copyright 1985
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
> correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
> gear informational webpage:
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
> 
> I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
> fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
> future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Kenny Parsons
> Madison, WI  USA
> 
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> On 2 Jan 2000 19:02:58, naktalk-digest wrote:
> 
> >
> >Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:59:34 -0600
> >From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
> >
> >C'mon fellas- this is getting ridiculous!
> >
> >First off, if you have the instructions for the DM-10,
> why do you doubt
> >them? Actually, why don't you post them on this BBS? I
> assume the DM-10 is
> >the Nakamichi-branded demagnetizer tool: it's a little
> 120Volt hand-held
> >black probe/wand with the white tip and says Nakamichi
> with the logo in
> >silver on the body....... 
> >
> >End of naktalk-digest V1 #126
> >*****************************
> >
> >
> 
> 
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From TRANSPLATA at aol.com  Mon Jan  3 18:47:56 2000
From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:47:56 EST
Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL /Carlos Copytec
Message-ID: <0.a960b8d4.25a23acc@aol.com>

Carlos:
I still have not received my manual.
JP
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 19:58:50 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:58:50 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
In-Reply-To: <20000103153016.25792.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <000201bf561c$9233bb00$eccd883e@a4s1s2>

I'm with you on this, Ron.  My 20 year plus Sony demagnetiser instructions
go along with your thinking, that you switch on the demagnetizer and only
then bring it slowly to the parts you want to demag' as you then, just as
slowly, take it away before cutting the power.  (Mine has a red button that
you have to hold down for the demagnetiser to be working.  As soon as you
release the pressure it switches out.)

Graham

PS

Don't apologise for having a 25 year old demagnetiser, Ron - if the old
technology works ... and it's probably built better than the modern ones,
too.  (I know my Sony is demag' device is tough because I've dropped it a
few times in the years I've had it!)  And don't apologise for it not being a
Nak ... Nak City might have had the last word for cassette decks (save for
Revox B215, eh Carlos!) but that's about for all they seem to deserve
legendary status.  As good as some of their other items were, they haven't
set the world on fire like some other makers for amps, CD players, speakers
(or should I say "transducers"?!), tuners or record players .... Chord,
Krell, Quad, Wadia, etc..

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Ron
> Sent: 03 January 2000 15:30
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
>
>
>
> I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
> I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
> Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
> like BlueSwapper's DM-10.
>
> I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
> by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
> 1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
> demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
> brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
> incorporates some means for slowing down the
> magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
> (I know mine doesn't.)
>
> Without such slow down, there is a chance the
> head will receive a healthy jolt of a
> unidirectional magnetic field as the
> demagnetizer is switched on. This will
> *magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
> then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
> the point of doing things in the order
> recommended by Nakamichi.
>
> Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
> metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
> an overkill (why would anything except the
> play head become magnetized in the first
> place?), but doing it takes less time than
> justifying it...
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> --- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
> > Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
> > information that needs to be more clearly understood,
> > compiled, and documented for user reference.
> >
> > Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
> > they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
> > hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
> > with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
> > cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
> > for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
> > official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
> > Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
> >
> > The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
> > with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
> > is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
> > time to time.
> >
> > 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
> > running tape makes contact.
> >
> > 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
> >
> > 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
> >
> > 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
> >
> > 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
> > from the head.
> >
> > Nakamichi Corporation
> > Research Development & Manufacturing
> > Copyright 1985
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
> > correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
> > gear informational webpage:
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
> >
> > I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
> > fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
> > future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > Kenny Parsons
> > Madison, WI  USA
> >
> > ---
> > Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > On 2 Jan 2000 19:02:58, naktalk-digest wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:59:34 -0600
> > >From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
> > >
> > >C'mon fellas- this is getting ridiculous!
> > >
> > >First off, if you have the instructions for the DM-10,
> > why do you doubt
> > >them? Actually, why don't you post them on this BBS? I
> > assume the DM-10 is
> > >the Nakamichi-branded demagnetizer tool: it's a little
> > 120Volt hand-held
> > >black probe/wand with the white tip and says Nakamichi
> > with the logo in
> > >silver on the body.......
> > >
> > >End of naktalk-digest V1 #126
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> > >
> >
> >
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From RCD12948 at aol.com  Sat Jan  8 01:07:35 2000
From: RCD12948 at aol.com (RCD12948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:07:35 EST
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <cb.cbbcbedb.25a7d9c7@aol.com>

Don't know. I bought mine several years ago at Best Buy.
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From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu  Sat Jan  8 05:54:26 2000
From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:54:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] system one
References: <003001bf457d$8722da20$8851aad0@m5e0c7> <007501bf4582$b763cfa0$27449cd1@jeffery>
Message-ID: <00ce01bf5994$7545be00$a851aad0@m5e0c7>

Jeff, because I am sitting down, I will ask. How much for the system one
rack? Damon
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Galin <eslabs at prodigy.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] system one


> Damon,
>
> We have some of this older Nak stuff in stock including
> a loaded System One rack and black boxes and remote controls.
> (860)529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
>
> Sincerely,
> Jeffrey Galin
> eslabs at prodigy.net & www.eslabs.com
>
> Nakamichi Service Labs
> ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> Wethersfield, CT  06109   USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Damon Josz <djosz at colby-sawyer.edu>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 10:17 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] system one
>
>
> > Nak, Nak,                              ??????'s at bottom....
> >                 I have hankered for sys. one for years. My dad brought
home
> > the brochures when they first came out. And then slowly pieced together
a
> > mega system on the used market in the early eighties. You look in his
sound
> > room, jeez, two 600cass., three 620amps, two 630preamp/tuners and a
> > 610control preamp, ds-200 timer, ba-150 bridging adaptor( theoretical
> > 375-400 watts/channel) and recently added the nak nameplated 200 cd box.
> > Well envy is all  I  had........
> >
> >       Once I received a phone call from dad, SYSTEM ONE complete,
$1000.00
> >
> >  Didn't have the dough......
> >
> > However, the advent of the internet has made my dream system come true,
plus
> > the chase is fun! My most recent score....THE RACK.....truly one of the
most
> > difficult parts to find in the 600 series. So now I am up to 2 600's, 2
> > 610's (sell one) 2 620's and 2 630's.
> > Now the funny thing about the racks, they came with the timer, mine was
> > missing. I have the ds-200 but they face plate is much narrower. I plan
to
> > cut a dash plate to fit the rack.
> > The real unique feature of 600 series and racks are the compact
construction
> > and computer like PCB board connections. While offering this wedge shape
vs.
> > the box was a artful statement, the real bonus was the slimness of the
> > pieces when inverted to fit the rack. Only six inches of box! Thus the
full
> > rack had the face of a monolith army issue, yet is not  "file cabinet
plus"
> > in depth. And when the pieces are mounted all the jacks and schematics
face
> > up at an angle for easy viewing out back.  All this beauty and
performance
> > ends ( or begins audibly!) on a pair of Altec Vot's........ ohhhhhhbaby!
> >
> >      Now recently I picked up the BA-150( another difficult piece) 2
> > PS-100's and these two pieces, the EC-100 and sf-100. Does anyone have
the
> > paperwork to copy for these two? And how about the Din 4 plugs? Any
answers?
> >
> > Damon
> > Sunapee NH
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Jan  8 16:40:27 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:40:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals in the mail
References: <0.fbcceded.253e9cbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004e01bf59ee$b2326980$482f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello fellows and Happy New Millenium from The Tape Man:

To all you six guys who asked for the 700 ZXL Service manual, I'm happy to
tell you that it's in the mail. They were send by Priority Parcel Post last
Friday at 11:00 A.M.  I will fully appreciate the receival confirmation of
each one of you, please.

The Sweden one were send by Air Mail the same day and time as the others.

Now to the other guys in this list, I'm very sorry to comunicate that due to
the very expensive and very difficult to copy process of these service
manuals, no more copies are available from now on. Sorry again, but this
project became a real pain in the butt, so, no more manuals.

Best to all,

Carlos
The tape man

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From LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu  Tue Jan 11 00:24:10 2000
From: LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu (Lawrence Devoe)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:24:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading
Message-ID: <s87a23d5.048@mail.mcg.edu>

I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. I have 2 questions I need help with:
1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this normal?

2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth while trying to fix this machine?

 

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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Tue Jan 11 02:53:35 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:53:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading
References: <s87a23d5.048@mail.mcg.edu>
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Lawrence Devoe wrote:
> 
> I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. I have 2 questions I need help with:
> 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this normal?
> 
> 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your help.
> 
> Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth while trying to fix this machine?
> 
> 
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Tue Jan 11 02:57:16 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:57:16 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading
References: <s87a23d5.048@mail.mcg.edu>
Message-ID: <387A8DFC.9227EF9C@emall-online.com>

The CR-7's up fader light is supposed to always be on unless down is
pushed during record.  It's doing what it's supposed to.  The reference
azimuth point is to light the bar on the left side of the red arrow. 
This should be the center point on the control.
The 480, while not very high in resale value, is one of the best 2-head
decks ever made, and is certainly worth putting a hundred or so into
restoring.  Properly cared for, they can run just about forever.

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
> 
> I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. I have 2 questions I need help with:
> 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this normal?
> 
> 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your help.
> 
> Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth while trying to fix this machine?
> 
> 
> 
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From gibby at bee.net  Tue Jan 11 04:41:55 2000
From: gibby at bee.net (Gib Lappano)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:41:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] bx300
Message-ID: <003501bf5be5$cf01bfe0$395a4a3f@gibby>

Hello all,

I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers. Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in advance for your advice.

Gib
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From Thomas_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Jan 11 06:53:56 2000
From: Thomas_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:53:56 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] bx300
In-Reply-To: <003501bf5be5$cf01bfe0$395a4a3f@gibby>
Message-ID: <200001110554.QAA17460@mail.neca.nec.com.au>

HI Gib,

    It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system or even
a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have found with
tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are dirty, this will
give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important that the pinch
rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be that the tension
may be out, if this is the case then it may need to be sent to an
authorised Nak dealer.

    All the best in fixing this problem

    Regards Tom.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Gib Lappano
    Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] bx300


    Hello all,

    I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is
eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different
brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers.
Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck
needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in
advance for your advice.

    Gib


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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Jan 11 18:23:01 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (kannan)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:53:01 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] bx300
References: <200001110554.QAA17460@mail.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <387B66F5.D787974B@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Everybody
 because of loosening of Erase head mounting in my BX300 the tape got
chewed. Fitting it back requires good skill - even alignment ( BX300
erase head is mounted on 3 point mount with springs and needs proper
alignment if not causes chewing !) as well as tape guide setup requires
probably good Nak service setup. If you are adventurous try your luck.
Also if the tape is very loose, causes tape going out of the tape guide
and causing this problem. My Bx300 is about 10 years old and probably
the previous owner did not take care of it well!  I had to struggle to
find the reason for tape chewing - as we do not have authorised Nak
service center in India. I spent few hours using broken old cassette to
check the tape movement clearly, I spotted this probable cause - (cut
open an old cassette on one side bottom to see the tape movement)
Good luck

Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:

> HI Gib,
>
>     It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system or even
> a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have found with
> tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are dirty, this will
> give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important that the pinch
> rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be that the tension
> may be out, if this is the case then it may need to be sent to an
> authorised Nak dealer.
>
>     All the best in fixing this problem
>
>     Regards Tom.
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
> Behalf Of Gib Lappano
>     Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
>     To: naktalk at naks.com
>     Subject: [naktalk] bx300
>
>
>     Hello all,
>
>     I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is
> eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different
> brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers.
> Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
> happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck
> needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in
> advance for your advice.
>
>     Gib
>
>
>
> HI Gib,    It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system
> or even a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have
> found with tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are
> dirty, this will give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important
> that the pinch rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be
> that the tension may be out, if this is the case then it may need to
> be sent to an authorised Nak dealer.    All the best in fixing this
> problem    Regards Tom.
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
>      [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Gib Lappano
>      Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
>      To: naktalk at naks.com
>      Subject: [naktalk] bx300
>
>      Hello all, I have what seems like a relatively simple
>      question. My BX-300 is eating up my tapes. I have tried
>      several tapes and even different brands. The tape isn't
>      getting caught in the pinchers and rollers. Rather it is
>      getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
>      happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of
>      the deck needing to be cleaned or could it be something more
>      serious? Thanks in advance for your advice. Gib
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Jan 11 10:29:13 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:29:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 410 and 420?
References: <s87a23d5.048@mail.mcg.edu> <387A8D1F.3C50BBC6@emall-online.com>
Message-ID: <001a01bf5c16$53d0ec20$6f6f6f6f@interactive.kiev.ua>

Hi friends! 

I got a guestion - what is pre- and power amps 410 and 420?
Anything special about them? How do they sound?
How do they looks like? Any comments, please!

Thanks,

Michael
Kiev, Ukraine
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From LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu  Tue Jan 11 15:14:20 2000
From: LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu (Lawrence Devoe)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:14:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading
Message-ID: <s87af482.025@mail.mcg.edu>

Do you  repair Nak 480's and if so how do I go about sending my deck to you for repairs?

>>> stephen_sank at emall-online.com 01/10/00 08:57PM >>>
The CR-7's up fader light is supposed to always be on unless down is
pushed during record.  It's doing what it's supposed to.  The reference
azimuth point is to light the bar on the left side of the red arrow. 
This should be the center point on the control.
The 480, while not very high in resale value, is one of the best 2-head
decks ever made, and is certainly worth putting a hundred or so into
restoring.  Properly cared for, they can run just about forever.

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
> 
> I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. I have 2 questions I need help with:
> 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this normal?
> 
> 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your help.
> 
> Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth while trying to fix this machine?
> 
> 
> 
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7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87110 ]
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From johnroberts52 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 11 19:24:23 2000
From: johnroberts52 at hotmail.com (john roberts)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:24:23 PST
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #133
Message-ID: <20000111182423.25147.qmail@hotmail.com>

Thanks for the answers on the BX-300.  Mine did the same over xmas, chewed 
up my favorite tape!  It wrapped around everything possible on the right 
side of the deck!


----Original Message Follows----
From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest)
Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
To: naktalk-digest at naks.com
Subject: naktalk-digest V1 #133
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:23:02 +0100

naktalk-digest        Tuesday, January 11 2000        Volume 01 : Number 133




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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:53:35 -0700
From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
 >
 > I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. 
I have 2 questions I need help with:
 > 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during 
recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." 
At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this 
normal?
 >
 > 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" 
is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should 
start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
 >
 > Thank you in advance for your help.
 >
 > Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth 
while trying to fix this machine?
 >
 >
 >
 > 
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:57:16 -0700
From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading

The CR-7's up fader light is supposed to always be on unless down is
pushed during record.  It's doing what it's supposed to.  The reference
azimuth point is to light the bar on the left side of the red arrow.
This should be the center point on the control.
The 480, while not very high in resale value, is one of the best 2-head
decks ever made, and is certainly worth putting a hundred or so into
restoring.  Properly cared for, they can run just about forever.

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
 >
 > I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. 
I have 2 questions I need help with:
 > 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during 
recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." 
At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this 
normal?
 >
 > 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" 
is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should 
start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
 >
 > Thank you in advance for your help.
 >
 > Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth 
while trying to fix this machine?
 >
 >
 >
 > 
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7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87110 ]
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:41:55 -0500
From: "Gib Lappano" <gibby at bee.net>
Subject: [naktalk] bx300

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:53:56 +1100
From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Thomas_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] bx300

HI Gib,

     It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system or even
a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have found with
tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are dirty, this will
give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important that the pinch
rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be that the tension
may be out, if this is the case then it may need to be sent to an
authorised Nak dealer.

     All the best in fixing this problem

     Regards Tom.
     -----Original Message-----
     From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Gib Lappano
     Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
     To: naktalk at naks.com
     Subject: [naktalk] bx300


     Hello all,

     I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is
eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different
brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers.
Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck
needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in
advance for your advice.

     Gib


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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:53:01 +0530
From: kannan <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] bx300

Everybody
  because of loosening of Erase head mounting in my BX300 the tape got
chewed. Fitting it back requires good skill - even alignment ( BX300
erase head is mounted on 3 point mount with springs and needs proper
alignment if not causes chewing !) as well as tape guide setup requires
probably good Nak service setup. If you are adventurous try your luck.
Also if the tape is very loose, causes tape going out of the tape guide
and causing this problem. My Bx300 is about 10 years old and probably
the previous owner did not take care of it well!  I had to struggle to
find the reason for tape chewing - as we do not have authorised Nak
service center in India. I spent few hours using broken old cassette to
check the tape movement clearly, I spotted this probable cause - (cut
open an old cassette on one side bottom to see the tape movement)
Good luck

Thomas Siomopoulos wrote:

 > HI Gib,
 >
 >     It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system or even
 > a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have found with
 > tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are dirty, this will
 > give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important that the pinch
 > rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be that the tension
 > may be out, if this is the case then it may need to be sent to an
 > authorised Nak dealer.
 >
 >     All the best in fixing this problem
 >
 >     Regards Tom.
 >     -----Original Message-----
 >     From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
 > Behalf Of Gib Lappano
 >     Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
 >     To: naktalk at naks.com
 >     Subject: [naktalk] bx300
 >
 >
 >     Hello all,
 >
 >     I have what seems like a relatively simple question. My BX-300 is
 > eating up my tapes. I have tried several tapes and even different
 > brands. The tape isn't getting caught in the pinchers and rollers.
 > Rather it is getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
 > happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of the deck
 > needing to be cleaned or could it be something more serious? Thanks in
 > advance for your advice.
 >
 >     Gib
 >
 >
 >
 > HI Gib,    It's not normal for a Nakamichi with a dual capstain system
 > or even a single capstain system to chew up tapes. However I have
 > found with tape decks in general that if the pinch roller(s) are
 > dirty, this will give a shiny and slippery surface. It is important
 > that the pinch rollers have a grippy surface. Another reason may be
 > that the tension may be out, if this is the case then it may need to
 > be sent to an authorised Nak dealer.    All the best in fixing this
 > problem    Regards Tom.
 >
 >      -----Original Message-----
 >      From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
 >      [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Gib Lappano
 >      Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 2:42
 >      To: naktalk at naks.com
 >      Subject: [naktalk] bx300
 >
 >      Hello all, I have what seems like a relatively simple
 >      question. My BX-300 is eating up my tapes. I have tried
 >      several tapes and even different brands. The tape isn't
 >      getting caught in the pinchers and rollers. Rather it is
 >      getting chewed up within the cassette itself. It also
 >      happens whether I play or record. Is this a simple matter of
 >      the deck needing to be cleaned or could it be something more
 >      serious? Thanks in advance for your advice. Gib
 >
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:29:13 +0200
From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 410 and 420?

Hi friends!

I got a guestion - what is pre- and power amps 410 and 420?
Anything special about them? How do they sound?
How do they looks like? Any comments, please!

Thanks,

Michael
Kiev, Ukraine
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:14:20 -0500
From: "Lawrence Devoe" <LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 Alignment procedures posted for downloading

Do you  repair Nak 480's and if so how do I go about sending my deck to you 
for repairs?

 >>> stephen_sank at emall-online.com 01/10/00 08:57PM >>>
The CR-7's up fader light is supposed to always be on unless down is
pushed during record.  It's doing what it's supposed to.  The reference
azimuth point is to light the bar on the left side of the red arrow.
This should be the center point on the control.
The 480, while not very high in resale value, is one of the best 2-head
decks ever made, and is certainly worth putting a hundred or so into
restoring.  Properly cared for, they can run just about forever.

Lawrence Devoe wrote:
 >
 > I have recently purchased a good condition CR7A. It appears to work fine. 
I have 2 questions I need help with:
 > 1. The 'Up Fader button' light comes on with power and stays lit during 
recording and playback unless I actually activate the "Down Fader button." 
At this point, one light dims and the other becomes brighter.  Is this 
normal?
 >
 > 2.  It is not clear when doing the Azimuth by meter where the "default" 
is.  That is, is there a standard place where the reference arrow should 
start in relationship to the adjustment bars below?
 >
 > Thank you in advance for your help.
 >
 > Also, I have a venerable 480 that has playback problems. Is it worth 
while trying to fix this machine?
 >
 >
 >
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From TRANSPLATA at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 22:39:27 2000
From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:39:27 EST
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
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Carlos :
Just received the Nak 700 manual. Thanks. You must have had a lot of fun with 
it!
Best Regards,
Jean-Pierre in Los Angeles
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From s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au  Wed Jan 12 00:02:44 2000
From: s1118355 at student.gu.edu.au (Jason Antony)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:02:44 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 needs speed adjustment 
In-Reply-To: <s87af482.025@mail.mcg.edu>
Message-ID: <200001112303.JAA07077@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>


Hi all

recently I purchased a Nak LX-3 in almost mint condition... am very 
very very happy with it and it runs perfectly, except that the tape 
speed is on the high side, at around 4.88 cm/s. I opened the back 
cover but couldn't pinpoint the speed control on either of the PCBs. 
I'd appreciate any help on this as I can't wait to resume recording! 
: )

Also, which is the more accepted standard, 4.76cm/s or 4.8?

Thanks in advance
Jason

************************************

Jason Antony
27 30.874' S, 153 02.814' E

Get your co-ords with GPS

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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Wed Jan 12 01:50:11 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:50:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 needs speed adjustment
References: <200001112303.JAA07077@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <387BCFC3.36C695@emall-online.com>

The speed adjust pot on the LX-3 is located inside the hole in the back
of the capstan motor.  Just poke your small flat blade driver through
the rubber dust blocker.  As for speed, it's whatever translates to one
& seven eighths inches per second.


Jason Antony wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> recently I purchased a Nak LX-3 in almost mint condition... am very
> very very happy with it and it runs perfectly, except that the tape
> speed is on the high side, at around 4.88 cm/s. I opened the back
> cover but couldn't pinpoint the speed control on either of the PCBs.
> I'd appreciate any help on this as I can't wait to resume recording!
> : )
> 
> Also, which is the more accepted standard, 4.76cm/s or 4.8?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Jason
> 
> ************************************
> 
> Jason Antony
> 27 30.874' S, 153 02.814' E
> 
> Get your co-ords with GPS
> 
> ICQ#: 48374695
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Wed Jan 12 02:02:13 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:02:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 needs speed adjustment 
References: <200001112303.JAA07077@frodo.student.gu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <002001bf5c98$a97eb120$9e3cbbd4@chello.nl>

Is in the little hole on the back of the capstan motor.  Very common on
cassettedecks.


Maurits

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From kleimann at wt.net  Wed Jan 12 16:16:07 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:16:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
In-Reply-To: <20000103153016.25792.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000112091607.00817640@mail.wt.net>

I also wonder about the order of instructions for using the DM-10, although
I know that when I had my PC monitor degaussed that the technician put this
humongous 15" deagaussing ring right against the monitor then turned it on!
I was shocked, but he assured me that he was using it correctly. I had used
a pair of non-magnetically shielded ADS mini-monitors for PC speakers for
three years and unwittingly magnetized the aperture grille in the monitor,
causing terrific color distortions in the corners of the monitor screen.
After "hitting it" with the Degausser about 4-5 times, the colors all
straightened out beautifully... 

Makes me wonder if Nakamichi has the right info after all. I'm going to ask
a few knowledgable folks about it when I can run into them-

Oh, BTW: the reason to demag everything along and near the tape path is
simple: You drag a megnetized item across a piece of ferrous metal, and it
will become magnetized... just running near ferrous metals can induce a
permanent magnetic field in the piece. 

At 07:30 AM 1/3/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
>I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
>Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
>like BlueSwapper's DM-10.
>
>I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
>by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
>1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
>demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
>brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
>incorporates some means for slowing down the
>magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
>(I know mine doesn't.)
>
>Without such slow down, there is a chance the
>head will receive a healthy jolt of a
>unidirectional magnetic field as the
>demagnetizer is switched on. This will
>*magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
>then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
>the point of doing things in the order
>recommended by Nakamichi.
>
>Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
>metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
>an overkill (why would anything except the
>play head become magnetized in the first
>place?), but doing it takes less time than
>justifying it...
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>--- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
>> Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
>> information that needs to be more clearly understood,
>> compiled, and documented for user reference.  
>> 
>> Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
>> they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
>> hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
>> with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
>> cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
>> for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
>> official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
>> Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
>> 
>> The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
>> with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
>> is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
>> time to time.
>> 
>> 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
>> running tape makes contact.
>> 
>> 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
>> 
>> 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
>> 
>> 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
>> 
>> 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
>> from the head.
>> 
>> Nakamichi Corporation
>> Research Development & Manufacturing
>> Copyright 1985
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
>> correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
>> gear informational webpage:
>> 
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
>> 
>> I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
>> fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
>> future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  
>> 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Kenny Parsons
>> Madison, WI  USA
>> 
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

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From kleimann at wt.net  Wed Jan 12 16:38:51 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:38:51 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
In-Reply-To: <20000104202448.25859.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000112093851.0081c870@mail.wt.net>

Yeah, count me in! Whenever I break down and buy a scanner, I'll send you
what I've got. 600II owner's manual, 1000ZXL owner's manual, and a BUNCH of
very cool Nak brochures, including peripheral equipment, the BlackBox
catalog, and a large color brochure on Nakamichi microphones.

I don't have Adobe pagemaker or acrobat, so I'll probably have to send them
to you as .jpg images, unless you have any other ideas. 

Let me know where to send them by replying to: kleimann at wt.net



At 12:24 PM 1/4/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!
>> 
>> It's been some time since I asked members of the
>> list so I'll give it a try so any new members may
>> be able to help.
>> 
>> The naks.com site has a FTP server with some
>> (service) documentation in PDF format for those
>> who don't know the URL of this:
>>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
>> 
>> If you can help contributing to this collection
>> please let me know. Any scanned service manual,
>> brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
>> where people pay rediculous prices for these days
>> on ebay is welcome!
>> [...]
>
>I have the service manual for the 700 (my 1st
>Nakamichi deck), schematic for the 582 (my 2nd)
>and a copy of the service manual for the CR7a
>(my 3rd/current/last-cassette-deck-ever).
>
>The service manuals are bulky, with far too
>many schmatic and circuit layout foldout
>pages -- impractical for me to scan. However,
>I am quite willing to look them up and supply
>info to others, or maybe even to scan a page
>or two.
>
>-- Ron
>
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Wed Jan 12 17:00:22 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:00:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DCCB@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

I'm currently stalled on getting over 40 owners/service manuals,
plus all kinds of Nakamichi brochures, and other stuff done because
of the amount of work involved.  If someone out there can help,
please let me know...

Raul

-----Original Message-----
From: Rudy J. Kleimann III [mailto:kleimann at wt.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 4:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP


Yeah, count me in! Whenever I break down and buy a scanner, I'll send you
what I've got. 600II owner's manual, 1000ZXL owner's manual, and a BUNCH of
very cool Nak brochures, including peripheral equipment, the BlackBox
catalog, and a large color brochure on Nakamichi microphones.

I don't have Adobe pagemaker or acrobat, so I'll probably have to send them
to you as .jpg images, unless you have any other ideas. 

Let me know where to send them by replying to: kleimann at wt.net



At 12:24 PM 1/4/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!
>> 
>> It's been some time since I asked members of the
>> list so I'll give it a try so any new members may
>> be able to help.
>> 
>> The naks.com site has a FTP server with some
>> (service) documentation in PDF format for those
>> who don't know the URL of this:
>>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
>> 
>> If you can help contributing to this collection
>> please let me know. Any scanned service manual,
>> brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
>> where people pay rediculous prices for these days
>> on ebay is welcome!
>> [...]
>
>I have the service manual for the 700 (my 1st
>Nakamichi deck), schematic for the 582 (my 2nd)
>and a copy of the service manual for the CR7a
>(my 3rd/current/last-cassette-deck-ever).
>
>The service manuals are bulky, with far too
>many schmatic and circuit layout foldout
>pages -- impractical for me to scan. However,
>I am quite willing to look them up and supply
>info to others, or maybe even to scan a page
>or two.
>
>-- Ron
>
>__________________________________________________
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 12 21:43:11 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:43:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
References: <38724F34.53420D0@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <387CE75F.C5DD03E4@xs4all.nl>


If you have files to upload:

ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/

You can use a regular FTP program and log in anonymous, you won't see the
files when they are uploaded so don't worry!
If you don't have such a program you can click on the link above so it opens in
your browser and drag the files onto the browserwindow and they will upload.

If you have any questions please let me know.

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From gibby at bee.net  Thu Jan 13 03:21:06 2000
From: gibby at bee.net (Gib Lappano)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:21:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300
Message-ID: <000001bf5d6c$d9050820$b05a4a3f@gibby>

Hello all,

I have a somewhat basic question. My BX-300 keeps eating my tapes. The tape
doesn't get caught up in the pinchers and rollers, rather it gets twisted
within the cassette itself. Is this merley a matter of cleaning the deck or
could it be something else? Thanks in advance for your advice.

Gib

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From gibby at bee.net  Thu Jan 13 05:04:13 2000
From: gibby at bee.net (Gib Lappano)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:04:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300
References: <000001bf5d6c$d9050820$b05a4a3f@gibby>
Message-ID: <004901bf5d7b$410a0700$705a4a3f@gibby>

Ooops. Please disregard this message. It was in my outbox in another mail
client and when I opened it, away it went. Sorry =^/

Gib
----- Original Message -----
From: Gib Lappano <gibby at bee.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 9:21 PM
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300


> Hello all,
>
> I have a somewhat basic question. My BX-300 keeps eating my tapes. The
tape
> doesn't get caught up in the pinchers and rollers, rather it gets twisted
> within the cassette itself. Is this merley a matter of cleaning the deck
or
> could it be something else? Thanks in advance for your advice.
>
> Gib
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Jan 13 13:36:18 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:06:18 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DCCB@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <387DC6C2.94A7BE2@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Dear Tellez
I can help you in scanning and uploading the copy of any service manual- whatever the
number of pages as they are difficult to get and very useful to repair any electonic
part. However you may have to send me the xerox copy of the pages - I am in  India and
if that does not deter you
I had already scanned and uploaded  my BX1 service manual and it will soon appear in
Nak server.
Please let me know
Kannan

"Tellez, Raul" wrote:

> I'm currently stalled on getting over 40 owners/service manuals,
> plus all kinds of Nakamichi brochures, and other stuff done because
> of the amount of work involved.  If someone out there can help,
> please let me know...
>
> Raul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rudy J. Kleimann III [mailto:kleimann at wt.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 4:39 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
>
> Yeah, count me in! Whenever I break down and buy a scanner, I'll send you
> what I've got. 600II owner's manual, 1000ZXL owner's manual, and a BUNCH of
> very cool Nak brochures, including peripheral equipment, the BlackBox
> catalog, and a large color brochure on Nakamichi microphones.
>
> I don't have Adobe pagemaker or acrobat, so I'll probably have to send them
> to you as .jpg images, unless you have any other ideas.
>
> Let me know where to send them by replying to: kleimann at wt.net
>
> At 12:24 PM 1/4/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!
> >>
> >> It's been some time since I asked members of the
> >> list so I'll give it a try so any new members may
> >> be able to help.
> >>
> >> The naks.com site has a FTP server with some
> >> (service) documentation in PDF format for those
> >> who don't know the URL of this:
> >>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
> >>
> >> If you can help contributing to this collection
> >> please let me know. Any scanned service manual,
> >> brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
> >> where people pay rediculous prices for these days
> >> on ebay is welcome!
> >> [...]
> >
> >I have the service manual for the 700 (my 1st
> >Nakamichi deck), schematic for the 582 (my 2nd)
> >and a copy of the service manual for the CR7a
> >(my 3rd/current/last-cassette-deck-ever).
> >
> >The service manuals are bulky, with far too
> >many schmatic and circuit layout foldout
> >pages -- impractical for me to scan. However,
> >I am quite willing to look them up and supply
> >info to others, or maybe even to scan a page
> >or two.
> >
> >-- Ron
> >
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Jan 13 15:57:24 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:57:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
References: <38724F34.53420D0@xs4all.nl> <387CE75F.C5DD03E4@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <014601bf5dd6$81fba380$6f6f6f6f@interactive.kiev.ua>

Hi Wouter,

It may turns this way - I'll be scanning a whole lot of manuals,
and will put them on a local Ukrainian server (very fast one!),
so you will be able to make a banner on it - or you may
get it from my server?
BTW, if you not against it - I'm planning to make a russian
mirror of your site - in russian and english as well. Please,
let me know if you are not against it.

Michael
Kiev, Ukraine

^ If you have files to upload:
^
^ ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/
^
^ You can use a regular FTP program and log in anonymous, you won't see the
^ files when they are uploaded so don't worry!
^ If you don't have such a program you can click on the link above so it
opens in
^ your browser and drag the files onto the browserwindow and they will
upload.
^
^ If you have any questions please let me know.
^
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From xirias at hol.gr  Fri Jan 14 11:02:47 2000
From: xirias at hol.gr (Evangelos G. Makris)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:02:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] problem with 581
Message-ID: <387EF447.6BF4@hol.gr>

Please help!
My 581 after 20 years of trouble-free operation
has refused to "lower" the head assembly when the STOP
button was pressed. So the tape is still there and the door
won't open.

What can I do? (except taking it to some "smart repairer", of course)

Cheers
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 14 19:35:48 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:35:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] problem with 581
Message-ID: <20000114183548.10845.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>


No ofense intended, but if you need to ask,
you probably do need to take it to a "smart
repairer"...

You could try to tap the mechanism lightly,
while pressing Stop. If the mechanism developed
friction or the control potentiometer became
stuck, this may dislodge it. Otherwise, a Nak
technician is your best bet. There is a very
long list of causes -- mechnaical and/or
electrical -- none of which can be fixed by
a novice.

Regards,

-- Ron


--- "Evangelos G. Makris" <xirias at hol.gr> wrote:
> Please help!
> My 581 after 20 years of trouble-free operation
> has refused to "lower" the head assembly when the STOP
> button was pressed. So the tape is still there and the
> door
> won't open.
> 
> What can I do? (except taking it to some "smart
> repairer", of course)
> 
> Cheers
> Evangelos Makris
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Fri Jan 14 20:23:19 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:23:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] problem with 581
References: <387EF447.6BF4@hol.gr>
Message-ID: <387F77A7.CCAE5984@emall-online.com>

If you want to just get the tape out, and possibly restore proper
operation temporarily, do the following: Take off the top cover.  Look
at the back side of the mechanism.  On the right side, referring to
looking from the front, in between the two main chassis plates of the
mechanism, you will see a two inch wide white nylon pulley with a belt
around it.  Turn on the power & then move the pulley with you finger &
see of it's motor then takes over & bring the mech to the stop
position.  If it does, you should then be able to pop the tape out.  If
it doesn't, you have a more serious problem than just dead spots in that
drive motor, the usual cause.  Either way, your deck needs professional
attention, unless it was just a case of a bad tape having jammed up.

"Evangelos G. Makris" wrote:
> 
> Please help!
> My 581 after 20 years of trouble-free operation
> has refused to "lower" the head assembly when the STOP
> button was pressed. So the tape is still there and the door
> won't open.
> 
> What can I do? (except taking it to some "smart repairer", of course)
> 
> Cheers
> Evangelos Makris
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 16 01:45:39 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:45:39 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak/Harmon Kardon decks
Message-ID: <GHDBPKNBHIBEDAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings NakFriends!  

Does anyone have info crosslisting Harmon Kardon cassette decks with Nak decks to compare what Nak components are in the HK decks?  How many HK's have Nak components?? I'm curious.

Many thanks!!!

Mr Blues

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 16 01:49:54 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:49:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
Message-ID: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>

Have we exhausted the cassette demagnetizing issue?  I'm starting to formulate ideas for a cassette deck demag FAQ, and will post something soon on my Nak CyberSpot site.  Stay tuned, that will be together by the end of the month!

Mr Blues

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From bgdickel at earthlight.co.nz  Sun Jan 16 02:41:12 2000
From: bgdickel at earthlight.co.nz (Brett Dickel)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:41:12 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
In-Reply-To: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000116144112.00a82bd0@pop.earthlight.co.nz>

Hello all,

Hope this isn't a silly question but I would appreciate some help in
directing me towards the source of a demagnetiser for my CR-7. I assume the
DM10 is out of production?
What other manufacturer still makes a good quality demagger...and are they
easy to get a hold of?

Thank you in advance

Brett Dickel

At 16:49 15/01/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Have we exhausted the cassette demagnetizing issue?  I'm starting to
formulate ideas for a cassette deck demag FAQ, and will post something soon
on my Nak CyberSpot site.  Stay tuned, that will be together by the end of
the month!
>
>Mr Blues
>
>---
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>
>
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 16 03:23:40 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:23:40 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
References: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <38812BAC.BBD27F88@ozemail.com.au>



The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?

John H

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 16 06:51:59 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:51:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
Message-ID: <CLCDLLCKODCFDAAA@angelfire.com>

Here's the URL for the Nak CyberSpot site:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html


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On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:23:40   mdhjwh wrote:
>
>
>The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
>on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
>What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html

>
>John H
>
>


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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 16 07:25:40 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:25:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 20th Century Nak Achievements 
Message-ID: <MDIBGKOEFBEFDAAA@angelfire.com>

As a general interest grabber, Nakamichi has an achievements webpage that is really quite interesting.  Have a look, and learn even more about our favorite cassette deck manufacturer's accomplishments.......

http://www.nakamichi.com/news/index.html

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From alex at vovan.com  Sun Jan 16 16:02:37 2000
From: alex at vovan.com (Alexandre Vovan)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:02:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
In-Reply-To: <CLCDLLCKODCFDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <000001bf6032$bc15cd80$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>

The site looks promising... Any idea where I can get info on the MR-1, or if
there's potential to have something on the CyberSopt site?

Thanks,

Alexandre

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
> [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> The BlueSwapper
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:52 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com; mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au
> Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
>
>
> Here's the URL for the Nak CyberSpot site:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:23:40   mdhjwh wrote:
> >
> >
> >The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
> >on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
> >What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html
>
> >
> >John H
> >
> >
>
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan 16 16:08:28 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:08:28 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000116144112.00a82bd0@pop.earthlight.co.nz>
References: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000116090828.0081dc90@mail.wt.net>

Radio Shack sells a nifty little demag that has a clear plastic piece
around the magnetic rod and a lamp inside it. When the unit is powered up,
the plastic lights up, illuminating the area around the tip. Very handy. I
have one of these actually sold by Maxell.

Truthfully, it probably doesn't matter what demag. you get, as long as you
use it.

At 02:41 PM 1/16/00 +1300, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>Hope this isn't a silly question but I would appreciate some help in
>directing me towards the source of a demagnetiser for my CR-7. I assume the
>DM10 is out of production?
>What other manufacturer still makes a good quality demagger...and are they
>easy to get a hold of?
>
>Thank you in advance
>
>Brett Dickel
>
>At 16:49 15/01/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>>Have we exhausted the cassette demagnetizing issue?  I'm starting to
>formulate ideas for a cassette deck demag FAQ, and will post something soon
>on my Nak CyberSpot site.  Stay tuned, that will be together by the end of
>the month!
>>
>>Mr Blues
>>
>>---
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>>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan 16 16:18:26 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:18:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......
In-Reply-To: <38812BAC.BBD27F88@ozemail.com.au>
References: <FFOPIPNJCMBEDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000116091826.0081f980@mail.wt.net>

Uh-oh! The Nak-heads are already hounding you BlueSwapper! You shouldn't
have mentioned it unless you are ready to create it!

BTW: I assume by your name you like recordings of Blues music. I have about
20-30 C-90's of a program called "Blue Monday" you might enjoy. It was
broadcast on KUT, the University of Texas in Austin on Monday nights
8PM-Midnight, and hosted by Larry Monroe. His collection, and the UT's
Archives, are EXTENSIVE, which made for some excellent listening -and
taping! Includes a few live interviews with Blues legends, including Texas
blues greats, many of which are now deceased. If you'd like, maybe I could
share some of this with you...

At 01:23 PM 1/16/00 +1100, you wrote:
>
>
>The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
>on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
>What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?
>
>John H
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From robertst at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 02:57:37 2000
From: robertst at sonic.net (Robert Stiles)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:57:37 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 tritracer
Message-ID: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net>

I don't know how quickly I might get a response in real time on this
question.  It's about 9:15 on the west coast, there's a 550 portable
tritracer closing on ebay in about two hours.  Has a problem with tape
speed being a bit slow.  Current bid is at just over $100.   I would be
willing to pay in excess of $200 for one of these in good condition;
what reasonable expense would I anticipate if I went ahead and bid on
this?  What would you suggest as a reasonable price?  Anyone?  Thanks.

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From robertst at sonic.net  Mon Jan 17 03:37:57 2000
From: robertst at sonic.net (Robert Stiles)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:37:57 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 DUAl tracer question(correction, sorry)
References: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <38828083.1EF73D82@sonic.net>



Robert Stiles wrote:

> I don't know how quickly I might get a response in real time on this
> question.  It's about 9:15 on the west coast, there's a 550 portable
> DUAL tracer closing on ebay in about ONE hour.  Has a problem with tape
> speed being a bit slow.  Current bid is at just over $100.   I would be
> willing to pay in excess of $200 for one of these in good condition;
> what reasonable expense would I anticipate if I went ahead and bid on
> this?  What would you suggest as a reasonable price?  Anyone?  Thanks.
>
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From captain at bestweb.net  Mon Jan 17 01:20:04 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:20:04 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 550 DUAl tracer question(correction, sorry)
References: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net> <38828083.1EF73D82@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <38826034.C21@bestweb.net>

This Naktalk mail from last week discussing a similar problem may help
you decide.  I think all you would need is an minor adjustment.

                                Tom


The speed adjust pot on the LX-3 is located inside the hole in the back
of the capstan motor.  Just poke your small flat blade driver through
the rubber dust blocker.  As for speed, it's whatever translates to one
& seven eighths inches per second.


Jason Antony wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> recently I purchased a Nak LX-3 in almost mint condition... am very
> very very happy with it and it runs perfectly, except that the tape
> speed is on the high side, at around 4.88 cm/s. I opened the back
> cover but couldn't pinpoint the speed control on either of the PCBs.
> I'd appreciate any help on this as I can't wait to resume recording!
> : )
> 
> Also, which is the more accepted standard, 4.76cm/s or 4.8?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Jason
> 
> ************************************
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Mon Jan 17 06:53:31 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:53:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 tritracer
References: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <3882AE5A.66D4CAC@rjknet.net>

Assuming the speed it is at is steady & with no unusually high wow &
flutter, i.e., the motor is not going bad, I usually end up billing
$125-150 to bring a 550 up to spec.  Higher than my usual, due to the
age of it making things a bit more time consuming.

Robert Stiles wrote:
> 
> I don't know how quickly I might get a response in real time on this
> question.  It's about 9:15 on the west coast, there's a 550 portable
> tritracer closing on ebay in about two hours.  Has a problem with tape
> speed being a bit slow.  Current bid is at just over $100.   I would be
> willing to pay in excess of $200 for one of these in good condition;
> what reasonable expense would I anticipate if I went ahead and bid on
> this?  What would you suggest as a reasonable price?  Anyone?  Thanks.
> 
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From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se  Mon Jan 17 09:57:17 2000
From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:57:17 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 700 manual
Message-ID: <200001170856.JAA05546@zebra.naks.com>

  Carlos
I have just received the Nak 700 manual.
Thanks a lot.

Roy in Sweden


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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Mon Jan 17 17:24:51 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:24:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] DeMagg Talkin' (2)....
Message-ID: <APABPJOGMFDMDAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings.......

Just saw a Nak DM-10 on the ebay auction block.  DM-10s were sold for $35 US at authorized dealers back in the mid-'80s.  Up in Minneapolis, Minnesota, I recently saw an apparently new ('80s vintage) DM-10 sitting in a dealers glass show case, offered for the original $35 price!  Guess who bought that one <cheshire cat's grin across my face>.  During the last six months, I've seen used DM-10s going for anywhere from $40 to $75 on internet auction sites. 

Radio Shack has a nice model, as described earlier.  Another source for a reasonably priced wand is the 'Parts Express' CyberStore, which has an off-name brand demagg wand (#350-140) for under $10 US.  Parts Express website address is:

http://www.partsexpress.com

Do a search under "demagnetizer tools".

By the way, you can find all the cleaning accessories needed to self-maintain your decks from Parts Express, at very reasonable prices!  From cleaning solutions, to swabs, jeweler's tweesers & magnifiers, to soldering gear and demagg wands, they've got it all.  No Nakamichi replacement parts though, you gotta call Torrance, California for that stuff!!!

Mr Blues

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http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:41:12 +1300
From: Brett Dickel <bgdickel at earthlight.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......

Hello all,

Hope this isn't a silly question but I would appreciate some help in directing me towards the source of a demagnetiser for my CR-7. I assume the DM-10 is out of production? What other manufacturer still makes a good quality demagger...and are they easy to get a hold of?

Thank you in advance

Brett Dickel

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 17 20:05:00 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:05:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 manual
References: <200001170856.JAA05546@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <003c01bf611d$c1384720$172f2ac4@coqui.net>

GOOD ! Enjoy it !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: <roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 3:57 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 700 manual


>   Carlos
> I have just received the Nak 700 manual.
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Roy in Sweden
>
>
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Mon Jan 17 21:20:24 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:20:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 tritracer
References: <3882770F.3057E04@sonic.net> <3882AE5A.66D4CAC@rjknet.net> <001801bf60de$fd96fc00$6f6f6f6f@interactive.kiev.ua>
Message-ID: <38837988.7B60ED58@emall-online.com>

The 500 does not have the same motor as the 550, as the 550 has that big
DC-DC converter box, that also has a major portion of the motor servo
within, particularly the current limiting for the FF/REW high speed
mode.  I have found most 550 motors, as well as 500 & 600 series motors,
to be non-responsive to overhauling, i.e., the sleeve bearings go bad.

MVM wrote:
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> What's wrong going with these motors? I have Sansui 700
> which is almost Nak 500. And there is defenitely a motor problem -
> unusual high wow & flutter. I notice that there is unusual motor,
> an there is no way for m to find such here in Ukraine. Maybe nowhere.
> So I'm planning to change the motor for more common style. Is there
> any advices - what should I do - try to repair old motor or just
> install a new one with the new regulator?
> 
> Thanks,
> Michael.
> 
> > Assuming the speed it is at is steady & with no unusually high wow &
> > flutter, i.e., the motor is not going bad, I usually end up billing
> > $125-150 to bring a 550 up to spec.  Higher than my usual, due to the
> > age of it making things a bit more time consuming.

-- 
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http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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From khambawati at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 18 15:54:07 2000
From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:54:07 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Inquiry for naktalk
Message-ID: <20000118145407.52291.qmail@hotmail.com>


1.This concerns a Nakamichi LX-3 continuously owned since purchase in 
Hongkong in 1981.

2.When the Record and Play button are pressed together for recording, the 
Rec Mute lights up and the only recorded signal one can hear on playback is 
a hum in both channels of -20 dB.

3.Also, the Master Fader refuses to operate when the deck is in Record 
standby mode(it remains in Up i.e. Fade In mode).

4.The transport makes a grinding sound when  the cassette reaches the 
beginning or the end after Rewind or Fast Forward.

5.Transport movement is no longer smooth in Play mode. Appears to be uneven.

7. The deck was serviced by an expert amateur two years ago. No parts were 
changed.
6. Any help would be appreciated. Also tips on Nakamichi servicing in the 
Ottawa area.

D.Chakravarti
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From pperham at wizvax.net  Tue Jan 18 16:21:50 2000
From: pperham at wizvax.net (Phil & Lydia Perham)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:21:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Texas Blues Greats
Message-ID: <002a01bf61c7$e56d6080$6ea261cc@default>

Hmmmm!?  "Texas Blues Greats"...  Is there any Stevie Ray Vaughan?
I have a decent collection of SRV shows and would be willing to trade
for like.

Phil


-----Original Message-----
From: Rudy J. Kleimann III <kleimann at wt.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Demagg Talkin'......


>Uh-oh! The Nak-heads are already hounding you BlueSwapper! You
shouldn't
>have mentioned it unless you are ready to create it!
>
>BTW: I assume by your name you like recordings of Blues music. I have
about
>20-30 C-90's of a program called "Blue Monday" you might enjoy. It was
>broadcast on KUT, the University of Texas in Austin on Monday nights
>8PM-Midnight, and hosted by Larry Monroe. His collection, and the UT's
>Archives, are EXTENSIVE, which made for some excellent listening -and
>taping! Includes a few live interviews with Blues legends, including
Texas
>blues greats, many of which are now deceased. If you'd like, maybe I
could
>share some of this with you...
>
>At 01:23 PM 1/16/00 +1100, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>The BlueSwapper wrote:> and will post something soon
>>on my Nak CyberSpot site.<
>>What is the 'Nak CyberSpot site' & how do we get to it?
>>
>>John H
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 19 01:41:59 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:41:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Inquiry for naktalk
Message-ID: <20000119004159.22798.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com>


Debashish,

You seem to have a couple of unrelated faults.
Problems 2 and 3 sound like electrical faults
in the deck control circuit. Problems 4 and 5
sound like mechanical faults in the transport.

Your friend that serviced the deck did not do
a complete job. Normally, one would replace
at least the belts. Possibly (after 17 years of
operation), the pinch rollers as well.

Good luck,

-- Ron


--- Debashish Chakravarti <khambawati at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 1.This concerns a Nakamichi LX-3 continuously owned since
> purchase in Hongkong in 1981.
> 
> 2.When the Record and Play button are pressed together
> for recording, the Rec Mute lights up and the only
> recorded signal one can hear on playback is 
> a hum in both channels of -20 dB.
> 
> 3.Also, the Master Fader refuses to operate when the deck
> is in Record standby mode(it remains in Up i.e. Fade In
> mode).
> 
> 4.The transport makes a grinding sound when  the cassette
> reaches the beginning or the end after Rewind or Fast
> Forward.
> 
> 5.Transport movement is no longer smooth in Play mode.
> Appears to be uneven.
> 
> 7. The deck was serviced by an expert amateur two years
> ago. No parts were changed.

> 6. Any help would be appreciated. Also tips on Nakamichi
> servicing in the Ottawa area.
> 
> D.Chakravarti
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From eriep at stewstras.net  Wed Jan 19 02:27:43 2000
From: eriep at stewstras.net (Erie Patsellis)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:27:43 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 700II help....
Message-ID: <002801bf621c$628bd200$0100a8c0@office>

hello all, 
my beloved 700II (much underused these days) has developed 
a little bit of crankyness. only r channel works in p/b. my thought is
to open her up, clean the mode switch (I think it has one, been about
8 years since I've opened her up...Steve??) Do a thorough cleaning, 
rebelt...the usual stuff. Anybody have any Ideas?? 


erie


btw, I am still looking for an ugly 700II for a second deck.




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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Jan 19 06:32:06 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:32:06 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 700II help....
References: <002801bf621c$628bd200$0100a8c0@office>
Message-ID: <38854C56.79483A4D@rjknet.net>

I think you will find your problem is caused by loosening of edge
connector contacts among the circuit boards.  Best to do them all at
once.  You need to pull the front panel to extract the sub-circuit
boards.  They also use these connectors for cable bundle connections to
the mother & logic boards.  Pull each one, use a dental pick or tiny
screwdriver to tighten each individual spring contact & then apply a
contact cleaner, e.g. Caig DN5, to the board edge contact areas. 
Tedious job, but not terribly hard.

Erie Patsellis wrote:
> 
> hello all,
> my beloved 700II (much underused these days) has developed
> a little bit of crankyness. only r channel works in p/b. my thought is
> to open her up, clean the mode switch (I think it has one, been about
> 8 years since I've opened her up...Steve??) Do a thorough cleaning,
> rebelt...the usual stuff. Anybody have any Ideas??
> 
> erie
> 
> btw, I am still looking for an ugly 700II for a second deck.
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 00:52:37 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:52:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Manual
Message-ID: <004301bf6533$c4442140$632f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Fellows:

Perhaps you or one of your friends have a Tandberg 3014-A
owner's manual that can make me a Xerox copy. Let me know, please !

Best,

The Tape Man

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 01:20:40 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:20:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:

I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.

This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks ever
built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
attributes and not technical.

Well, here I go:

Nakamichi 700 & 700 II : All began here and if you take a look of what were
available in those years, Nakamichi was clearly ahead of its time. The only
drawback is that they were expensive. $895.00 for a unit in 1975 was a lot
of money !

Nakamichi 700 ZXL: One of the most beautiful decks I've ever have. Very
impressive looking and sounding. Too expensive for a cassette deck: $3,000
but worth every penny. The autozymuth and auto aligning of the tape is
terrific. Highly recomended for those in Nak. collecting hobby. She's now
more popular than ever among the Nakamaniacs.

Nakamichi 1000 ZXL: My beloved blackie and simply the most amazing and
impressive deck ever made in the history of the cassette recording. It's
gigantic and weights more than my wife. Sonically speaking is more or less
the same as the 700 ZXL with a little more of "air" in the highs. This is
truly a fine piece for collection but good condition units are scarce and
expensive. $3,800 was the price and $6,000 for the Limited Edition, but that
is another story ...

Nakamichi Dragon: Nothing beats the beast for playing back any kind of
cassette. Perhaps the most popular deck ever made among the audiophiles.
Cost on second hand units has come down considerable due to
over-availability. $2,000+ was her last price. The sound, well, anything
with a name such as "Dragon" must sound hot. She sounds very hot with a very
wide freq. response. One of my regulars for dubbing purposes.

Other brands ...

Revox B-215: Everyone in this list knows that I'm a Revox fan. My 15 years
old deck is better than ever but has broke down 4 times since I bought her
brand new. Revox service is the best in the country with all parts available
for 30 years (I'm not kidding !). Her best virtue is: anything you records
in a B-215 sounds good anywhere else. Natural sounding without that little
"over bright" sound of the Dragon, but is not the best choice for playing
back those tapes done in another decks. In that department the Dragon still
the queen. Named once by "Audio" magazine as the best cassette deck in the
world. I'm not sure about that but at least is one of the best ever made.
Last price listed: a crazy $ 3,200 !!!!!

Tandberg 3014-A: Extremely neutral sounding deck with the fastest tape
winding in the market. This deck completes the "best ever" trio in the
cassette recording history. Among the B-215 and Dragon, the Tandberg was the
ultimate expression in cassette recording from the people of Norway. Not
many bells and "lights" just a very flat sound and built like a tank. I was
looking for one of these for a very long time and I found a terrific one at
a fair price. Very, very scarce and expensive in the used components
department. Price: $2,000 +

Well, my favorites: The last 3 and I sincerely believe they're te best ever
made.

The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.

Enjoy !!!

The Tape Man

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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 23 00:36:39 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:36:39 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net>
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Thanks for the "best decks ever "post. Great stuff.
I would like to hear from anyone who has tweaked any
of these decks with dedicated internal pre-amps , hard wiring etc.
I have made a number of useful mods to my Dragon,
internal re-wiring with Kimber cable etc, better resistors,etc
.

John H


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From krogers at u-r-online.com  Sun Jan 23 02:32:20 2000
From: krogers at u-r-online.com (Kevin Rogers)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:32:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Manual
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <copytec at coqui.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: January 22, 2000 6:52 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Manual


> Hello Fellows:
>
> Perhaps you or one of your friends have a Tandberg 3014-A
> owner's manual that can make me a Xerox copy. Let me know, please !
>
> Best,
>
> The Tape Man

Hi Carlos. I have a 3014 manual that you can have. Send me your address.

Kevin Rogers
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 23 02:30:40 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:30:40 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
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Subject:
             FA: Mint Nakamichi Dragon on EBay!
        Date:
             Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:06:05 -0500
       From:
             "Mark Roberts" <mrobert3 at rochester.rr.com>
 Organization:
             Time Warner Road Runner - Rochester NY
 Newsgroups:
             rec.audio.marketplace, alt.audio.equipment




Nakamichi Dragon recently serviced by Nak, aligned, calibrated,
servo-circuit brought to spec, new rollers, etc. Used very little. Original
box, manuals.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=243599393







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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 23 03:35:45 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:35:45 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Wand Waving Demaggs.......
Message-ID: <OAHFIOHBHILFAAAA@angelfire.com>

Holy wand waving on ebay!!!  Two Nak DM-10s on the auction block, and one of them has bids reaching over $80 usd!  Another is probably going for an outrageous price too.  What I suggest is that anyone looking for a real Nak demagg wand, you should make some inquires to the authorized Nak dealers in your region, ask them if they have any new or used DM-10s, or anything else that they recommend.  Hey, the market on ebay is just outrageous for these little wands.

Oh, there's another little item that caught my eye, and you others might want to have a peek.  Its a Nakamichi advert panel, really looking nice.  If I had several hundred dollaros, I'd get that for my basement playroom!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=243166585

Hey Carlos, what's happening down in the tropics?  We're shivvering up here in Wisconsin, freezing our tails standing in 30 centimeters on snow!

Regards to all NakTalkers.........

Mr Blues

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 05:25:17 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:25:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au>
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Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your findings, sonically
speaking ?

Carlos

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Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Thanks for the "best decks ever "post. Great stuff.
> I would like to hear from anyone who has tweaked any
> of these decks with dedicated internal pre-amps , hard wiring etc.
> I have made a number of useful mods to my Dragon,
> internal re-wiring with Kimber cable etc, better resistors,etc
> .
>
> John H
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 05:28:47 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:28:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Wand Waving Demaggs.......
References: <OAHFIOHBHILFAAAA@angelfire.com>
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>
> Hey Carlos, what's happening down in the tropics?  We're shivvering up
here in Wisconsin, freezing our tails standing in 30 centimeters on snow!
>
Not too much, my dear friend Mr. Blues. I'm enjoying our 70 degrees winter,
warm enough to wear my new Nakamichi T-shirt. A Christmas present from my
Wisconsin's nephew.

Carlos

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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 23 05:37:40 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:37:40 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au> <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>



Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your findings, sonically
speaking ?<
Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
a much greater sense of rhythm.
None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe they were
listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not be
willing to carry out.
John H

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sun Jan 23 06:58:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:28:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
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Dear carlos
How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I have not heard it but considered by
large reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay performance and sonics? I have a
good review of Tandberg model of your choice from UK mag which compared almost 40 decks
and found Tandberg to have difficult adjustment for bias and level ( soon let me scan
that and post it here - with review comparison of CR4 !).
Kannan

Carlos wrote:

> Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
>
> I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
> become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
>
> This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks ever
> built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
> attributes and not technical.
>
> Well, here I go:
>
> Nakamichi 700 & 700 II : All began here and if you take a look of what were
> available in those years, Nakamichi was clearly ahead of its time. The only
> drawback is that they were expensive. $895.00 for a unit in 1975 was a lot
> of money !
>
> Nakamichi 700 ZXL: One of the most beautiful decks I've ever have. Very
> impressive looking and sounding. Too expensive for a cassette deck: $3,000
> but worth every penny. The autozymuth and auto aligning of the tape is
> terrific. Highly recomended for those in Nak. collecting hobby. She's now
> more popular than ever among the Nakamaniacs.
>
> Nakamichi 1000 ZXL: My beloved blackie and simply the most amazing and
> impressive deck ever made in the history of the cassette recording. It's
> gigantic and weights more than my wife. Sonically speaking is more or less
> the same as the 700 ZXL with a little more of "air" in the highs. This is
> truly a fine piece for collection but good condition units are scarce and
> expensive. $3,800 was the price and $6,000 for the Limited Edition, but that
> is another story ...
>
> Nakamichi Dragon: Nothing beats the beast for playing back any kind of
> cassette. Perhaps the most popular deck ever made among the audiophiles.
> Cost on second hand units has come down considerable due to
> over-availability. $2,000+ was her last price. The sound, well, anything
> with a name such as "Dragon" must sound hot. She sounds very hot with a very
> wide freq. response. One of my regulars for dubbing purposes.
>
> Other brands ...
>
> Revox B-215: Everyone in this list knows that I'm a Revox fan. My 15 years
> old deck is better than ever but has broke down 4 times since I bought her
> brand new. Revox service is the best in the country with all parts available
> for 30 years (I'm not kidding !). Her best virtue is: anything you records
> in a B-215 sounds good anywhere else. Natural sounding without that little
> "over bright" sound of the Dragon, but is not the best choice for playing
> back those tapes done in another decks. In that department the Dragon still
> the queen. Named once by "Audio" magazine as the best cassette deck in the
> world. I'm not sure about that but at least is one of the best ever made.
> Last price listed: a crazy $ 3,200 !!!!!
>
> Tandberg 3014-A: Extremely neutral sounding deck with the fastest tape
> winding in the market. This deck completes the "best ever" trio in the
> cassette recording history. Among the B-215 and Dragon, the Tandberg was the
> ultimate expression in cassette recording from the people of Norway. Not
> many bells and "lights" just a very flat sound and built like a tank. I was
> looking for one of these for a very long time and I found a terrific one at
> a fair price. Very, very scarce and expensive in the used components
> department. Price: $2,000 +
>
> Well, my favorites: The last 3 and I sincerely believe they're te best ever
> made.
>
> The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
>
> Enjoy !!!
>
> The Tape Man
>
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Sun Jan 23 08:19:17 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:19:17 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A9875.C5A69341@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <388AAB75.E887BF65@emall-online.com>

Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think it the best candidate
for upgrade mods.  Someday, I hope to find time to do just that to my
own, but you guys have me too busy doing your Naks!

Kannan S wrote:
> 
> Dear carlos
> How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I have not heard it but considered by
> large reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay performance and sonics? I have a
> good review of Tandberg model of your choice from UK mag which compared almost 40 decks
> and found Tandberg to have difficult adjustment for bias and level ( soon let me scan
> that and post it here - with review comparison of CR4 !).
> Kannan
> 
> Carlos wrote:
> 
> > Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
> >
> > I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
> > become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
> >
> > This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks ever
> > built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
> > attributes and not technical.
> >
> > Well, here I go:
> >
> > Nakamichi 700 & 700 II : All began here and if you take a look of what were
> > available in those years, Nakamichi was clearly ahead of its time. The only
> > drawback is that they were expensive. $895.00 for a unit in 1975 was a lot
> > of money !
> >
> > Nakamichi 700 ZXL: One of the most beautiful decks I've ever have. Very
> > impressive looking and sounding. Too expensive for a cassette deck: $3,000
> > but worth every penny. The autozymuth and auto aligning of the tape is
> > terrific. Highly recomended for those in Nak. collecting hobby. She's now
> > more popular than ever among the Nakamaniacs.
> >
> > Nakamichi 1000 ZXL: My beloved blackie and simply the most amazing and
> > impressive deck ever made in the history of the cassette recording. It's
> > gigantic and weights more than my wife. Sonically speaking is more or less
> > the same as the 700 ZXL with a little more of "air" in the highs. This is
> > truly a fine piece for collection but good condition units are scarce and
> > expensive. $3,800 was the price and $6,000 for the Limited Edition, but that
> > is another story ...
> >
> > Nakamichi Dragon: Nothing beats the beast for playing back any kind of
> > cassette. Perhaps the most popular deck ever made among the audiophiles.
> > Cost on second hand units has come down considerable due to
> > over-availability. $2,000+ was her last price. The sound, well, anything
> > with a name such as "Dragon" must sound hot. She sounds very hot with a very
> > wide freq. response. One of my regulars for dubbing purposes.
> >
> > Other brands ...
> >
> > Revox B-215: Everyone in this list knows that I'm a Revox fan. My 15 years
> > old deck is better than ever but has broke down 4 times since I bought her
> > brand new. Revox service is the best in the country with all parts available
> > for 30 years (I'm not kidding !). Her best virtue is: anything you records
> > in a B-215 sounds good anywhere else. Natural sounding without that little
> > "over bright" sound of the Dragon, but is not the best choice for playing
> > back those tapes done in another decks. In that department the Dragon still
> > the queen. Named once by "Audio" magazine as the best cassette deck in the
> > world. I'm not sure about that but at least is one of the best ever made.
> > Last price listed: a crazy $ 3,200 !!!!!
> >
> > Tandberg 3014-A: Extremely neutral sounding deck with the fastest tape
> > winding in the market. This deck completes the "best ever" trio in the
> > cassette recording history. Among the B-215 and Dragon, the Tandberg was the
> > ultimate expression in cassette recording from the people of Norway. Not
> > many bells and "lights" just a very flat sound and built like a tank. I was
> > looking for one of these for a very long time and I found a terrific one at
> > a fair price. Very, very scarce and expensive in the used components
> > department. Price: $2,000 +
> >
> > Well, my favorites: The last 3 and I sincerely believe they're te best ever
> > made.
> >
> > The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
> >
> > Enjoy !!!
> >
> > The Tape Man
> >
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan 23 10:36:58 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>
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Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000123033658.00799280@mail.wt.net>

I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you have
to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also, change
caps?

At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
>
>
>Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
findings, sonically
>speaking ?<
>Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
>a much greater sense of rhythm.
>None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
>are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
they were
>listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
>Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not be
>willing to carry out.
>John H
>
>John H
>
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From nicy at jet.es  Sun Jan 23 11:28:44 2000
From: nicy at jet.es (javier g)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:28:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A9875.C5A69341@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <002801bf658c$a68dc940$949d37c3@e9b1l7>

Dear Kannan,

I think you´re right. CR7 is one of the bets decks ever made (better than
Dragon in my opinion). I´ve had both the Dragon and the CR7 and nothing
compares the sound of CR7 in record and playback. In less expensive models
CR4 is a good choice.

I´d like to have a copy of your comparison review.
Best Regards,
Javier (Spain)

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From: Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Dear carlos
> How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I have not heard it but
considered by
> large reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay performance and
sonics? I have a
> good review of Tandberg model of your choice from UK mag which compared
almost 40 decks
> and found Tandberg to have difficult adjustment for bias and level ( soon
let me scan
> that and post it here - with review comparison of CR4 !).
> Kannan
>
> Carlos wrote:
>
> > Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
> >
> > I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
> > become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
> >
> > This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks
ever
> > built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
> > attributes and not technical.
> >
> > Well, here I go:
> >
> > Nakamichi 700 & 700 II : All began here and if you take a look of what
were
> > available in those years, Nakamichi was clearly ahead of its time. The
only
> > drawback is that they were expensive. $895.00 for a unit in 1975 was a
lot
> > of money !
> >
> > Nakamichi 700 ZXL: One of the most beautiful decks I've ever have. Very
> > impressive looking and sounding. Too expensive for a cassette deck:
$3,000
> > but worth every penny. The autozymuth and auto aligning of the tape is
> > terrific. Highly recomended for those in Nak. collecting hobby. She's
now
> > more popular than ever among the Nakamaniacs.
> >
> > Nakamichi 1000 ZXL: My beloved blackie and simply the most amazing and
> > impressive deck ever made in the history of the cassette recording. It's
> > gigantic and weights more than my wife. Sonically speaking is more or
less
> > the same as the 700 ZXL with a little more of "air" in the highs. This
is
> > truly a fine piece for collection but good condition units are scarce
and
> > expensive. $3,800 was the price and $6,000 for the Limited Edition, but
that
> > is another story ...
> >
> > Nakamichi Dragon: Nothing beats the beast for playing back any kind of
> > cassette. Perhaps the most popular deck ever made among the audiophiles.
> > Cost on second hand units has come down considerable due to
> > over-availability. $2,000+ was her last price. The sound, well, anything
> > with a name such as "Dragon" must sound hot. She sounds very hot with a
very
> > wide freq. response. One of my regulars for dubbing purposes.
> >
> > Other brands ...
> >
> > Revox B-215: Everyone in this list knows that I'm a Revox fan. My 15
years
> > old deck is better than ever but has broke down 4 times since I bought
her
> > brand new. Revox service is the best in the country with all parts
available
> > for 30 years (I'm not kidding !). Her best virtue is: anything you
records
> > in a B-215 sounds good anywhere else. Natural sounding without that
little
> > "over bright" sound of the Dragon, but is not the best choice for
playing
> > back those tapes done in another decks. In that department the Dragon
still
> > the queen. Named once by "Audio" magazine as the best cassette deck in
the
> > world. I'm not sure about that but at least is one of the best ever
made.
> > Last price listed: a crazy $ 3,200 !!!!!
> >
> > Tandberg 3014-A: Extremely neutral sounding deck with the fastest tape
> > winding in the market. This deck completes the "best ever" trio in the
> > cassette recording history. Among the B-215 and Dragon, the Tandberg was
the
> > ultimate expression in cassette recording from the people of Norway. Not
> > many bells and "lights" just a very flat sound and built like a tank. I
was
> > looking for one of these for a very long time and I found a terrific one
at
> > a fair price. Very, very scarce and expensive in the used components
> > department. Price: $2,000 +
> >
> > Well, my favorites: The last 3 and I sincerely believe they're te best
ever
> > made.
> >
> > The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
> >
> > Enjoy !!!
> >
> > The Tape Man
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 15:30:17 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:30:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Dear carlos
> How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I have not heard it but
considered by
> large reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay performance and
sonics? I have a
> good review of Tandberg model of your choice from UK mag which compared
almost 40 decks
> and found Tandberg to have difficult adjustment for bias and level ( soon
let me scan
> that and post it here - with review comparison of CR4 !).
> Kannan

Simply because I have never used a CR-7 and if you recall correctly, I only
mentioned those decks that I have personally experienced. About the Tandberg
bias and level adjustment difficulty, I find it very easy and common sense
if you are experienced with tape decks. If the CR-7 is better or not than
the Dragon because such or such reviewer says so, well, I don't take
reviewers opinions very seriously. One month they say "this is the best"
and the other month is another one simply because that brand in specific
spend 6 figures in full color, full page advertisement.

You have another wonder: ZX-9 But unfortunately I don't have one to compare
neither I'm interested. One thing I'm sure and nobody can deny is that the
Dragon is perhaps the most popular deck ever made in the world.

Recap: There's not such thing as "the best sounding cassette deck" in the
world. That's bull shit. It's just a personnal matter of taste and $ money.
As to my concern, I enjoy music if it is coming out of a 1000 ZXL or a
Technics RS-M63.

The Tape Man

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 15:33:05 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:33:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au> <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4@coqui.net> <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <002d01bf65ae$c36bccc0$d02f2ac4@coqui.net>

I'll try that in one of my decks and let you know !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: mdhjwh <mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


>
>
> Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
findings, sonically
> speaking ?<
> Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> a much greater sense of rhythm.
> None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
they were
> listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not
be
> willing to carry out.
> John H
>
> John H
>
>
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From alex at vovan.com  Sun Jan 23 14:52:38 2000
From: alex at vovan.com (Alexandre Vovan)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:52:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <001f01bf65ae$5f5fec20$d02f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <000001bf65a9$1cc1bb00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>

Hi,

This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)

Thanks,

Alex

P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be greatly
appreciated! :)

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From smoke at snip.net  Sun Jan 23 17:16:04 2000
From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:16:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au> <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4@coqui.net> <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <388B2944.E2C78386@snip.net>

I just acquired a Dragon which I've had Steve Sank bring up to specs.  I'm interested in
the mods you made to your dragon as I'm sure many Dragon owners in naktalk land would be.
What were they?  Could you share them with us?  And is it something the "soldering iron
challenged" among us could do, or is it back to Steve?


mdhjwh wrote:

> Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your findings, sonically
> speaking ?<
> Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and a much greater
> sense of rhythm.  None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette
> sound are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe they were
> listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.  Strangely the hard
> wiring is the modification that most people would not be willing to carry out.
> John H
>

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jan 23 17:21:56 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:21:56 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #140
Message-ID: <CMNIPEJMMJIIAAAA@angelfire.com>

Carlos!  Very nice write-up on you fav decks.  I really like the way you describe the performance strengths of those decks in moderate technical terms, easy and understandable reading for everyday users.

Perhaps other NakTalkers would consider contributing their knowledge and viewpoints abut using their own beloved Nakamichi decks.  That way, we'll learn all about the other black beauties in use across the globe.

I'll make an attempt doing a short essay about my two Naks, the RX-505 and RX-202.  Hopefully, I can muster a few coherent paragraphs by next weekend.  

Hail all Nak fan(atics) worldwide!!!

Mr Blues

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 06:44:31 naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:20:40 -0500
>From: "Carlos" <copytec at coqui.net>
>Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
>
>I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
>become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
>
>This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks ever
>built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
>attributes and not technical.
>
>Well, here I go:
>

>
>The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
>
>Enjoy !!!
>
>The Tape Man
>

>
>End of naktalk-digest V1 #140
>*****************************
>
>


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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 23 17:24:49 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:24:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000123162449.15488.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com>


Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
found little (that is, discernible, but not
earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.

OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
remains with some cassettes. I never had this
problem with the 582.

Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?

-- Ron



--- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think
> it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday, I
> hope to find time to do just that to my own, but you
> guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> 
> Kannan S wrote:
> > 
> > Dear carlos
> > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > have not heard it but considered by large
> > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay
> > performance and sonics? 
> > [...]
> 
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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Sun Jan 23 18:31:52 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:31:52 EST
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess
Message-ID: <cb.12379cd.25bc9508@aol.com>

Interesting correspondence, guys, on the merits of various decks.

I am not an initiate but have owned a few Nak decks over the years and found 
them to be beautiful pieces of engineering art. There is a pleasure in a well 
made, quality piece of equipment that you either "get" and appreciate or you 
don't. But as to claims of "sonic superiority" of this or that deck I must 
confess that these old ears (well, not THAT old) have a hard time picking up 
differences to the point that I could say with any certainty at all that this 
or that (good) deck sounds "better." Sometimes they sound subtly different 
but I would be hard pressed to say that one is "better."  

I know that some may have more sensitive ears than I or more experience in 
auditioning equipment but I do wonder if a lot of judgments about 
"superiority" would stand up to double blind scrutiny and whether, to at 
least some degree, the "Emperor's new clothes" phenomenon may be at play in 
the "audiophile" community, whether it is Nak decks or other "high end" 
equipment being evaluated. Most of the double blind tests I have seen through 
the years seem to bear up this point. I know this is a tired old debate but I 
have never seen it answered satisfactorily without recourse to arcane terms 
that clumsily attempt to capture in words ideas that are intrinsically 
"musical." Can any two people agree, save at the extremes, what constitutes 
"sweetness" or "warmth" or any of a dozen terms used by audio reviewers and 
the Stereophile set? Save in the sterile and, granted, limited world of 
measurements, the objective devolves into the subjective and these personal, 
and to that extent arbitrary, judgments then become the substance of audio 
myth.

I like nice equipment because of its build quality, attention to detail and 
the artistry and individuality of the engineers involved. I can much better 
appreciate the smooth feel of a high quality potentiometer than I can say 
with certainty that this or that component sounds superior.  And the "feel" 
is enough for me...generally if it feels right it sounds good but I have to 
say, also, that some equipment that "feels" like consumer schlock, sounds 
pretty good too. 

I know all this is heresy but can anyone give me a reasoned response that is 
not predicated on the assumption that I am an obvious rube and 
unsophisticate? 

Thanks.

Don
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 19:41:04 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:41:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <20000123162449.15488.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <001901bf65d1$680e4880$97302ac4@coqui.net>


----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


>
> Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> found little (that is, discernible, but not
> earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.

Well, that's life. You never know what would happens next in the land of
magnetic recordings reproduction. One thing is for sure: if it's working,
don't fix it (or change it ! )

The Tape Man

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 23 19:43:00 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:43:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #140
References: <CMNIPEJMMJIIAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <003101bf65d1$acb55b40$97302ac4@coqui.net>

Good ! I'm looking forward to read it !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: Mr Blues <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 11:21 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #140


> Carlos!  Very nice write-up on you fav decks.  I really like the way you
describe the performance strengths of those decks in moderate technical
terms, easy and understandable reading for everyday users.
>
> Perhaps other NakTalkers would consider contributing their knowledge and
viewpoints abut using their own beloved Nakamichi decks.  That way, we'll
learn all about the other black beauties in use across the globe.
>
> I'll make an attempt doing a short essay about my two Naks, the RX-505 and
RX-202.  Hopefully, I can muster a few coherent paragraphs by next weekend.
>
> Hail all Nak fan(atics) worldwide!!!
>
> Mr Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 06:44:31 naktalk-digest wrote:
> >
> >------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:20:40 -0500
> >From: "Carlos" <copytec at coqui.net>
> >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> >
> >Hello my Nakamaniacs friends:
> >
> >I think this may be interesting to most of you, and since this list has
> >become too slow, I gonna give it a shot.
> >
> >This has been my experiences after living with the best cassette decks
ever
> >built. I want to clarify that my point of views are mostly about sonic
> >attributes and not technical.
> >
> >Well, here I go:
> >
>
> >
> >The best looking one: Ha!, the 1000 ZXL by unanimous decision.
> >
> >Enjoy !!!
> >
> >The Tape Man
> >
>
> >
> >End of naktalk-digest V1 #140
> >*****************************
> >
> >
>
>
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From kleimann at wt.net  Sun Jan 23 18:40:41 2000
From: kleimann at wt.net (Rudy J. Kleimann III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:40:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <001f01bf65ae$5f5fec20$d02f2ac4@coqui.net>
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net>
 <388A9875.C5A69341@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000123114041.00829870@mail.wt.net>

Amen, Brother! It's about the music, man! And so much for the 'bought and
paid for' comments of many so-called "reviewers"...


At 09:30 AM 1/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>> Dear carlos
>> How come CR7 does not figure any where here?
>
>Simply because I have never used a CR-7 and if you recall correctly, I only
>mentioned those decks that I have personally experienced. About the Tandberg
>bias and level adjustment difficulty, I find it very easy and common sense
>if you are experienced with tape decks. If the CR-7 is better or not than
>the Dragon because such or such reviewer says so, well, I don't take
>reviewers opinions very seriously. One month they say "this is the best"
>and the other month is another one simply because that brand in specific
>spend 6 figures in full color, full page advertisement.
>
>You have another wonder: ZX-9 But unfortunately I don't have one to compare
>neither I'm interested. One thing I'm sure and nobody can deny is that the
>Dragon is perhaps the most popular deck ever made in the world.
>
>Recap: There's not such thing as "the best sounding cassette deck" in the
>world. That's bull shit. It's just a personnal matter of taste and $ money.
>As to my concern, I enjoy music if it is coming out of a 1000 ZXL or a
>Technics RS-M63.
>
>The Tape Man
>
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From captain at bestweb.net  Sun Jan 23 14:37:25 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:37:25 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Endless Debate...
Message-ID: <388B0415.2387@bestweb.net>

Don,
    I tend to agree with you completely on all points you made.  I have
over a dozen Naks and my love for one over another is a personal,
subjective thing, rather than because of the "obvious" performance
superiority of one over another, and often has as much to do with the
"feel" or appearance of a given unit rather than how good it sounds.  I
once performed an A/B test between my Dragon and CR-7A and I'll be
damned if i could hear a molecules's difference bedtween them.  (So much
for that controversy!)  Yet I like the Dragon better, because I just
enjoy it's looks, build quality, and control parameters more.  I like
the older Naks because of their obviously more rugged construction and
finish quality.  The newer Sankyo transports simply aren't as good.  But
my newer "Sankyo" Naks still SOUND great to me.  They are still NAKS.  I
gave my son my old  CR-1A, one of Nak's more humble entries.  He sent me
some tapes he made on cheap Sony normal cassettes, and I was astounded
by how good they sounded.  Except for the faint Dolby B hiss, they
sounded like CD's to me.  I have three LX-5's.  One of them sounds
terrific, one sounds really good, and one just doesnt' sound quite
right.  (It obviously needs some work...)  In other words there can be
major sonic differences between the SAME MODELS!  I'm certain minor
adjustment can make all the difference in sonic quality from unit to
unit, rather because one is "BETTER" than another.  I guess what I am
TRYING to say is that I love ALL of my Naks.  I have my favorites, but
they are all great performers, and I would be happy to use any one of
them, if all the others disappeared. 

                                   Tom
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Jan 23 22:20:46 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:20:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2@ozemail.com.au> <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4@coqui.net> <388A8594.5B2E498B@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <388B70AD.7B483EED@xs4all.nl>

Hmm, great to hear people are modifying their Naks!
I also wondered what would be there to improve but I was afraid to do it... I once did
modify my Philips CD960 cd player with new DAC/Digtal filter which greatly improved sound,
but when I changed the output opamps to the latest Burr Brown ones I had sound that was so
diferent from the original Philips sound that I wondered if I still owned a Philips!! It
then sounded like my Sony CD player! I placed the old opamps back......
So what I'm saying, does your Dragon still sounds like a Nak??? Hasn't it's sound changed
(is it improvement??) so dramaticly that it has become a brand XXX deck?
I guess I'll have to experiment with these mods, won't try them on my Dragon first... I'll
take my 'experiment' decks the BX300 or 480 for that purpose!!

Any details on the Dragon mods are welcome!

Wouter

mdhjwh wrote:

> Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your findings, sonically
> speaking ?<
> Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> a much greater sense of rhythm.
> None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe they were
> listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not be
> willing to carry out.
> John H
>
> John H
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Jan 23 22:20:51 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:20:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <388B70B3.402BAB4F@xs4all.nl>

Carlos,

I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still too expensive and hard to
find!).

To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior for recording, I guess it beats
the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the 700ZXL are the only decks left on
my most wanted Naks list..).
What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's RAMM automatic tape calibration
system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL if serviced well! The 700ZXL
comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced. This is also the disadvantage
of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their is calibration is automatic
(700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
manual calibration, you notice the difference in details of the recorded sound and if a
deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for internally by a Nak service
technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's RAMM has to do with this.....
This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for recording, others are very cool as
well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for recording...

Do you (or any one else) share my experience?

I don't have any other brand decks but think that your enhousiasm for the Revox B215
has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a reasonable price!

And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners for looks! (those COOL blue FL
meters, in the dark.... whow!)

Wouter



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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Sun Jan 23 23:41:14 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:41:14 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <20000123162449.15488.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <388B838A.CA1E4CFB@emall-online.com>

I have never run into that symptom with a CR-7 before.  I'd be
interested to know if it is a foible of that cap motor system.  If you
have a friend with a CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, BX-300 or MR-1 which you can try
these tapes on, please do it & let me know the result.  The only other
suggestion I can make is to re-hone the capstan shafts(in the pinch
roller contact area), using a very, very fine sandpaper of steel wool,
moving it rapidly back & forth while the shaft is rotating, until you
have a nice matte finish.
You should be aware that if your CR-7 was made before mid-1988, and has
not been corrected yet, it will have incorrect record equalisation, due
to a mistake in the original design calculations.  This would easily
explain why it does not sound much better than the 582.

Ron wrote:
> 
> Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> found little (that is, discernible, but not
> earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.
> 
> OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
> wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
> thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
> both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
> remains with some cassettes. I never had this
> problem with the 582.
> 
> Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think
> > it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday, I
> > hope to find time to do just that to my own, but you
> > guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> >
> > Kannan S wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear carlos
> > > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > > have not heard it but considered by large
> > > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay
> > > performance and sonics?
> > > [...]
> >
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Sun Jan 23 23:50:11 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
References: <388B5226.2D43BC92@digizen.net>
Message-ID: <388B85A3.79B09364@emall-online.com>

If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
recommend that.  I do replace the cheesey jacks with Cardas or
Vampire's, of course.  I definitely recommend replacing all internal
wiring.  Which wire depends on what function each wire performs.  I use
Cardas, LAT International & 5n-purity silver wire when I do them.  I
then replace all significant signal capacitors with Rel-Cap, MIT
Multicap & SCR/Axon in various combinations, again depending on
function, as well as add them generously in the power supply.  The most
critical resistors with Caddock.  The other significant resistors with
Dale.  All power supply rectifiers with discrete soft-recovery devices. 
Finally, all significant op-amp IC's with Analog Devices chips. 
Needless to say, even a CR-7 is a butt-load of work, but not nearly as
much as maxing out a Dragon, which has far more wiring(almost a rat's
nest), which is also a major reason that I think the CR-7 comes out
better.

George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> 
> Stephen:
> When you do your mods, do you include hardwiring?  If not, what is your
> opinion on hardwiring?
> Regards,
> George
> Annapolis, MD
> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
> From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4 at coqui.net>
>      <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2 at ozemail.com.au>
>      <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4 at coqui.net>
> 
> I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you have
> to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also, change
> caps?
> 
> At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
> findings, sonically
> >speaking ?<
> >Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> >a much greater sense of rhythm.
> >None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> >are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
> they were
> >listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> >Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would not be
> >willing to carry out.
> >John H
> >
> >John H
> >
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 01:59:03 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:59:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000124005903.18597.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com>


Thanks for your response.

There is no way I know of to verify the deck's
age. Nakamichi cannot (or will not) match the S/N
to manufacturing date. The deck does have the
upgraded reel drive (gear instead of a pulley),
but I don't know whether it came that way from
Nakamichi, or was upgraded later.

Where/how can I get data on the equalization
upgrade you mention?

Also, what other upgrade mods would you suggest? I
am sure other CR-7a owners would be interested.

-- Ron



--- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> I have never run into that symptom with a CR-7 before. 
> I'd be
> interested to know if it is a foible of that cap motor
> system.  If you
> have a friend with a CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, BX-300 or MR-1
> which you can try
> these tapes on, please do it & let me know the result. 
> The only other
> suggestion I can make is to re-hone the capstan shafts(in
> the pinch
> roller contact area), using a very, very fine sandpaper
> of steel wool,
> moving it rapidly back & forth while the shaft is
> rotating, until you
> have a nice matte finish.
> You should be aware that if your CR-7 was made before
> mid-1988, and has
> not been corrected yet, it will have incorrect record
> equalisation, due
> to a mistake in the original design calculations.  This
> would easily
> explain why it does not sound much better than the 582.
> 
> Ron wrote:
> > 
> > Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> > CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> > found little (that is, discernible, but not
> > earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> > automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> > nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> > no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.
> > 
> > OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
> > wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
> > thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
> > both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
> > remains with some cassettes. I never had this
> > problem with the 582.
> > 
> > Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?
> > 
> > -- Ron
> > 
> > --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > > Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think
> > > it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday, I
> > > hope to find time to do just that to my own, but you
> > > guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> > >
> > > Kannan S wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear carlos
> > > > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > > > have not heard it but considered by large
> > > > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay
> > > > performance and sonics?
> > > > [...]
> > >
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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Mon Jan 24 02:21:20 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:21:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <20000124005903.18597.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <388BA910.C1B8AC2@emall-online.com>

If yours is a CR-7A US model, then the serial number after which the
problem was corrected in production was A130-08677.  If yours is before
this, it may need the correction.  Syptom is a slight but noticeable top
end rolloff in recording.  If you start recording a CD, after
autocalibration, and switch back & forth between tape & source monitor,
you will have the best chance of hearing the problem, if it exists.  The
correction mod is a rather involved procedure, for which I charge $225,
including any needed maintenance, cleaning & precision
calibration/alignment.

Ron wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your response.
> 
> There is no way I know of to verify the deck's
> age. Nakamichi cannot (or will not) match the S/N
> to manufacturing date. The deck does have the
> upgraded reel drive (gear instead of a pulley),
> but I don't know whether it came that way from
> Nakamichi, or was upgraded later.
> 
> Where/how can I get data on the equalization
> upgrade you mention?
> 
> Also, what other upgrade mods would you suggest? I
> am sure other CR-7a owners would be interested.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > I have never run into that symptom with a CR-7 before.
> > I'd be
> > interested to know if it is a foible of that cap motor
> > system.  If you
> > have a friend with a CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, BX-300 or MR-1
> > which you can try
> > these tapes on, please do it & let me know the result.
> > The only other
> > suggestion I can make is to re-hone the capstan shafts(in
> > the pinch
> > roller contact area), using a very, very fine sandpaper
> > of steel wool,
> > moving it rapidly back & forth while the shaft is
> > rotating, until you
> > have a nice matte finish.
> > You should be aware that if your CR-7 was made before
> > mid-1988, and has
> > not been corrected yet, it will have incorrect record
> > equalisation, due
> > to a mistake in the original design calculations.  This
> > would easily
> > explain why it does not sound much better than the 582.
> >
> > Ron wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> > > CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> > > found little (that is, discernible, but not
> > > earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> > > automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> > > nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> > > no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.
> > >
> > > OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
> > > wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
> > > thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
> > > both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
> > > remains with some cassettes. I never had this
> > > problem with the 582.
> > >
> > > Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?
> > >
> > > -- Ron
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > > > Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and think
> > > > it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday, I
> > > > hope to find time to do just that to my own, but you
> > > > guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> > > >
> > > > Kannan S wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear carlos
> > > > > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > > > > have not heard it but considered by large
> > > > > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record -replay
> > > > > performance and sonics?
> > > > > [...]
> > > >
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From PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net  Mon Jan 24 03:50:35 2000
From: PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net (PERI SNARR)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:50:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess
Message-ID: <001001bf6615$cda12660$a5684c0c@default>

Don,

I have listened to and sold alot of equipment in the past twenty or so
years, and I can tell you one thing, feel has alot to do with what you
experience with your ears! I have always enjoyed the smoothness and positive
feel of a fine piece of gear. I like to consider myself a NAK expert. I am a
certified NAKAMICHI salesman. I can tell you that to earn this title was no
easy task. I took several tests to achieve this, and to me, NAKAMICHI means
the best when it comes to recorderd sound. At least as far as cassette tape
is concerned. Music and the equipment that reproduces it, is A subjective
thing. If you like what you have bought, if it looks and feels good to you,
and above all else, sounds good to you, then all is right with the world. It
seems to me however, that fine equipment like NAKAMICHI, always rises to the
top. It is something in my blood. A habit for fine pieces of audio gear. I
own a ZX-7, RX-505, RX-303, 1000II, 600II, 600, 500, not because I need this
many decks, but because I just love to make a tape on them and listen to it
to see how faithful it is to the original. High end audio is, for me, a
great adventure!

Steve Snarr
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From: DWEMD2 at aol.com <DWEMD2 at aol.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, January 23, 2000 12:41 PM
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess


>Interesting correspondence, guys, on the merits of various decks.
>
>I am not an initiate but have owned a few Nak decks over the years and
found
>them to be beautiful pieces of engineering art. There is a pleasure in a
well
>made, quality piece of equipment that you either "get" and appreciate or
you
>don't. But as to claims of "sonic superiority" of this or that deck I must
>confess that these old ears (well, not THAT old) have a hard time picking
up
>differences to the point that I could say with any certainty at all that
this
>or that (good) deck sounds "better." Sometimes they sound subtly different
>but I would be hard pressed to say that one is "better."
>
>I know that some may have more sensitive ears than I or more experience in
>auditioning equipment but I do wonder if a lot of judgments about
>"superiority" would stand up to double blind scrutiny and whether, to at
>least some degree, the "Emperor's new clothes" phenomenon may be at play in
>the "audiophile" community, whether it is Nak decks or other "high end"
>equipment being evaluated. Most of the double blind tests I have seen
through
>the years seem to bear up this point. I know this is a tired old debate but
I
>have never seen it answered satisfactorily without recourse to arcane terms
>that clumsily attempt to capture in words ideas that are intrinsically
>"musical." Can any two people agree, save at the extremes, what constitutes
>"sweetness" or "warmth" or any of a dozen terms used by audio reviewers and
>the Stereophile set? Save in the sterile and, granted, limited world of
>measurements, the objective devolves into the subjective and these
personal,
>and to that extent arbitrary, judgments then become the substance of audio
>myth.
>
>I like nice equipment because of its build quality, attention to detail and
>the artistry and individuality of the engineers involved. I can much better
>appreciate the smooth feel of a high quality potentiometer than I can say
>with certainty that this or that component sounds superior.  And the "feel"
>is enough for me...generally if it feels right it sounds good but I have to
>say, also, that some equipment that "feels" like consumer schlock, sounds
>pretty good too.
>
>I know all this is heresy but can anyone give me a reasoned response that
is
>not predicated on the assumption that I am an obvious rube and
>unsophisticate?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Don
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Jan 24 05:23:12 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:53:12 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388B70B3.402BAB4F@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <388BD3AF.2E546A48@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Dear Wouter
I fully agree that bias and level adjust alone would not suffice and Equalisation
adjustment differs from tape to Tape and probably people judge sound quality more to that -
Infact popular tape manufacturers like TDK / Sony / Maxel change their formulation ( or
changed their formulations ) often without change in the box or cover. So I feel that is
the reason why 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL should be sounding very good as they adjust record
peaking charecteristics to suite the tape or different method to get correct equalisation.
I would like to know whether any of the circuit charecteristics or active device like
transistors and opamps also contribute to this along with record / replay heads ? My CR3
definitely doesnot sound as lively as 582. Does Revox adjust equalisation?
I would like to point out -
Linsely Hood article on his cassette deck design in Wireless World ( 1975-76!) explains
this nicely and his case for obtaining coorect bias and equalisation to reduce noise /
distortion more than wide frequency response gives subjective quality record & replay
performance. And that case  is bettered with Nak's engineering - head as well as dual
capstan -to have wide frequency response along with low distortion and noise.

Wouter Heijke wrote:

> Carlos,
>
> I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
> which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still too expensive and hard to
> find!).
>
> To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
> own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior for recording, I guess it beats
> the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the 700ZXL are the only decks left on
> my most wanted Naks list..).
> What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's RAMM automatic tape calibration
> system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL if serviced well! The 700ZXL
> comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced. This is also the disadvantage
> of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their is calibration is automatic
> (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
> manual calibration, you notice the difference in details of the recorded sound and if a
> deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for internally by a Nak service
> technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's RAMM has to do with this.....
> This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for recording, others are very cool as
> well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for recording...
>
> Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
>
> I don't have any other brand decks but think that your enhousiasm for the Revox B215
> has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a reasonable price!
>
> And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners for looks! (those COOL blue FL
> meters, in the dark.... whow!)
>
> Wouter
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 05:46:25 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:46:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000124044625.26113.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com>


--- Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> Dear Wouter
> I fully agree that bias and level adjust alone would
> not suffice and Equalisation adjustment differs from
> tape to Tape ...

I believe equalization is standard for all cassette
recorders and exactly predefined for each tape type.

> ... and probably people judge sound quality more
> to that - Infact popular tape manufacturers like
> TDK / Sony / Maxel change their formulation ( or
> changed their formulations ) often without change
> in the box or cover. So I feel that is the reason
> why 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL should be sounding very
> good as they adjust record peaking charecteristics
> to suite the tape or different method to get correct
> equalisation.

I believe what the recorders adjust are recording
level and bias.

> I would like to know whether any of the circuit
> charecteristics or active device like transistors
> and opamps also contribute to this along with
> record / replay heads?

In a well designed circuit, device charateristics
(within the device spec range) do not materially
affect circuit performance. This is especially
true for op-amps, due to the high negative feedback.
This means that replacing a blown device with a new
one will restore correct circuit operation. Spread
of Rec/PB heads characteristics tends to be very
narrow.

> My CR3 definitely doesnot sound as lively as 582.

Equalization in the 582 is fixed for each of the 3
tape types. Don't know about the CR3 but suspect
this is also the case, as for all other cassette
recorders. 

-- Ron


> Does Revox adjust equalisation?
> I would like to point out -
> Linsely Hood article on his cassette deck design in
> Wireless World ( 1975-76!) explains
> this nicely and his case for obtaining coorect bias and
> equalisation to reduce noise /
> distortion more than wide frequency response gives
> subjective quality record & replay
> performance. And that case  is bettered with Nak's
> engineering - head as well as dual
> capstan -to have wide frequency response along with low
> distortion and noise.
> 
> Wouter Heijke wrote:
> 
> > Carlos,
> >
> > I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have
> to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
> > which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still
> too expensive and hard to
> > find!).
> >
> > To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback
> and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
> > own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior
> for recording, I guess it beats
> > the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the
> 700ZXL are the only decks left on
> > my most wanted Naks list..).
> > What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's
> RAMM automatic tape calibration
> > system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL
> if serviced well! The 700ZXL
> > comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced.
> This is also the disadvantage
> > of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their
> is calibration is automatic
> > (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The
> Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
> > manual calibration, you notice the difference in
> details of the recorded sound and if a
> > deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for
> internally by a Nak service
> > technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's
> RAMM has to do with this.....
> > This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for
> recording, others are very cool as
> > well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for
> recording...
> >
> > Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
> >
> > I don't have any other brand decks but think that your
> enhousiasm for the Revox B215
> > has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a
> reasonable price!
> >
> > And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners
> for looks! (those COOL blue FL
> > meters, in the dark.... whow!)
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> >
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Jan 24 07:33:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:03:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
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Dear Ron
When you record and replay a cassette, the cherectristics may differ from playing a
standard IEC tape for play back equalisation - which is fixed and is part of the
playback amp circuit in cassette recorders. The recording is done by actively shaping
the recording charecteristics to get a flat response after this playback equalisation -
does not work the same way for all brands of even one type ( say type I) or same brand
if manufacturer changes the formulation or coating method. This can be remedied partly
by level and bias adjustments and these adjustments are done only at two frequencies
and not the entire spectrum of 30Hz to say 16 Khz. That needs  preferably by
computerised adjustment,  - more frequencies are adjusted by record chaerectrictics
shaping circuit after bias and level are adjusted.  Exactly how 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL does
this is not known to me but generally this peaking adjustment in record circuits of
regular Naks  is done by an Inductor during recorder alignment stage- not advisable
generally without costly test instruments as well as recommended procedures -  Even
with these instruments only Service Techi can do this alignment as this is tedious and
needs patience. (That is why Stephen charges 225USD for Nak CR7 A tuning in his earlier
mail!) Even this is done only on TDK or Nakamichi tapes for Nak regular recorders. So
if you know this procedures and have the tools you can tweak the recorders for any one
brand of tapes. however this is done automatically by ZXL decks and so any tape can be
tweaked on them to get correct response with low noise and distortion. So this is not
playback equalisation  but record equalisation - I hope I explained it ?

Also on Opamps - definitely lower noise opamps or better tolerance of opamps can sound
differently in the same circuit - I have done mods on my preamp and heard the
differences
Also Transistors used in Low level signals - playback amps - can be critical as you can
select a higher gain lower noise devices to get better signal to noise ratio
particularly on cassette playback as the signal levels are very low- in microvolts.
Even the capacitor in this circuit is critical like moving coil ( Phono) pick up
ampilfying circuits. What I wanted is whether circuit design as well components used in
different Nakamichi decks particularly ZXL and other machines - do they contribute to
the quality difference in playing tapes? This can be answered best by people who have
access to different service manuals and heard them.
Kannan

Ron wrote:

> --- Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> > Dear Wouter
> > I fully agree that bias and level adjust alone would
> > not suffice and Equalisation adjustment differs from
> > tape to Tape ...
>
> I believe equalization is standard for all cassette
> recorders and exactly predefined for each tape type.
>
> > ... and probably people judge sound quality more
> > to that - Infact popular tape manufacturers like
> > TDK / Sony / Maxel change their formulation ( or
> > changed their formulations ) often without change
> > in the box or cover. So I feel that is the reason
> > why 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL should be sounding very
> > good as they adjust record peaking charecteristics
> > to suite the tape or different method to get correct
> > equalisation.
>
> I believe what the recorders adjust are recording
> level and bias.
>
> > I would like to know whether any of the circuit
> > charecteristics or active device like transistors
> > and opamps also contribute to this along with
> > record / replay heads?
>
> In a well designed circuit, device charateristics
> (within the device spec range) do not materially
> affect circuit performance. This is especially
> true for op-amps, due to the high negative feedback.
> This means that replacing a blown device with a new
> one will restore correct circuit operation. Spread
> of Rec/PB heads characteristics tends to be very
> narrow.
>
> > My CR3 definitely doesnot sound as lively as 582.
>
> Equalization in the 582 is fixed for each of the 3
> tape types. Don't know about the CR3 but suspect
> this is also the case, as for all other cassette
> recorders.
>
> -- Ron
>
> > Does Revox adjust equalisation?
> > I would like to point out -
> > Linsely Hood article on his cassette deck design in
> > Wireless World ( 1975-76!) explains
> > this nicely and his case for obtaining coorect bias and
> > equalisation to reduce noise /
> > distortion more than wide frequency response gives
> > subjective quality record & replay
> > performance. And that case  is bettered with Nak's
> > engineering - head as well as dual
> > capstan -to have wide frequency response along with low
> > distortion and noise.
> >
> > Wouter Heijke wrote:
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have
> > to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
> > > which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still
> > too expensive and hard to
> > > find!).
> > >
> > > To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback
> > and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
> > > own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior
> > for recording, I guess it beats
> > > the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the
> > 700ZXL are the only decks left on
> > > my most wanted Naks list..).
> > > What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's
> > RAMM automatic tape calibration
> > > system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL
> > if serviced well! The 700ZXL
> > > comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced.
> > This is also the disadvantage
> > > of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their
> > is calibration is automatic
> > > (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The
> > Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
> > > manual calibration, you notice the difference in
> > details of the recorded sound and if a
> > > deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for
> > internally by a Nak service
> > > technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's
> > RAMM has to do with this.....
> > > This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for
> > recording, others are very cool as
> > > well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for
> > recording...
> > >
> > > Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
> > >
> > > I don't have any other brand decks but think that your
> > enhousiasm for the Revox B215
> > > has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a
> > reasonable price!
> > >
> > > And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners
> > for looks! (those COOL blue FL
> > > meters, in the dark.... whow!)
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 24 14:31:51 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:31:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess
References: <cb.12379cd.25bc9508@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01bf666f$5fb89ac0$bf2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Don:

I agree with you. That's why I never let myself buy what such or such
reviewer reccomends until I make my final judgment. Audio is full of myths,
specially the High End and probably that's why is dying. I love High End
because of the quality involved but I'm not willing to pay a house cost for
a pair of speakers or mono blocks amps. That's bull shit. I have heard many
low cost components that makes circles around Krells and Levinsons. When I
want one of those things, I patiently wait to one of those insecure
audiophiles suffering of "audiofilia nervosa" and buy the piece below the
cost. Yeah ! those who depends of his friends opinions to make justify his
mind of such a ridiculous expense.

I learned this lesson long ago and today when I pay a high sum is because
I'm gonna multiply that in profits (eg. duplication equipment for my plant )

As for which component is the best, again, it's up to you to decide and not
a reviewer that when make a terrific review the manufacturer, probably,
gives away the component for free or for a fraction of the cost in
comfortable monthly installments.

carlos

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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 12:31 PM
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess


> Interesting correspondence, guys, on the merits of various decks.
>
> I am not an initiate but have owned a few Nak decks over the years and
found
> them to be beautiful pieces of engineering art. There is a pleasure in a
well
> made, quality piece of equipment that you either "get" and appreciate or
you
> don't. But as to claims of "sonic superiority" of this or that deck I must
> confess that these old ears (well, not THAT old) have a hard time picking
up
> differences to the point that I could say with any certainty at all that
this
> or that (good) deck sounds "better." Sometimes they sound subtly different
> but I would be hard pressed to say that one is "better."
>
> I know that some may have more sensitive ears than I or more experience in
> auditioning equipment but I do wonder if a lot of judgments about
> "superiority" would stand up to double blind scrutiny and whether, to at
> least some degree, the "Emperor's new clothes" phenomenon may be at play
in
> the "audiophile" community, whether it is Nak decks or other "high end"
> equipment being evaluated. Most of the double blind tests I have seen
through
> the years seem to bear up this point. I know this is a tired old debate
but I
> have never seen it answered satisfactorily without recourse to arcane
terms
> that clumsily attempt to capture in words ideas that are intrinsically
> "musical." Can any two people agree, save at the extremes, what
constitutes
> "sweetness" or "warmth" or any of a dozen terms used by audio reviewers
and
> the Stereophile set? Save in the sterile and, granted, limited world of
> measurements, the objective devolves into the subjective and these
personal,
> and to that extent arbitrary, judgments then become the substance of audio
> myth.
>
> I like nice equipment because of its build quality, attention to detail
and
> the artistry and individuality of the engineers involved. I can much
better
> appreciate the smooth feel of a high quality potentiometer than I can say
> with certainty that this or that component sounds superior.  And the
"feel"
> is enough for me...generally if it feels right it sounds good but I have
to
> say, also, that some equipment that "feels" like consumer schlock, sounds
> pretty good too.
>
> I know all this is heresy but can anyone give me a reasoned response that
is
> not predicated on the assumption that I am an obvious rube and
> unsophisticate?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Don
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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jan 24 14:45:46 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:45:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <388B70B3.402BAB4F@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <005701bf6671$519acba0$bf2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Well, Wouter:

I share your opinion and I'm still strongly prefer the Dragon for playback
100%. As for recording, I still prefer my old B-215 but let me tell you
something; the recently acquired Tandberg 3014-A gave me a so big surprise
that I still don't believe it.

Anyway, I never expect that deck to sound that good !

That's life ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Carlos,
>
> I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still have to find one) and
the 1000ZXL,
> which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is still too expensive and
hard to
> find!).
>
> To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for playback and the 1000ZXL for
recording. I
> own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just superior for recording, I
guess it beats
> the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and the 700ZXL are the only
decks left on
> my most wanted Naks list..).
> What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the 1000ZXL's RAMM automatic
tape calibration
> system, no other Nak does this as good as the 1000ZXL if serviced well!
The 700ZXL
> comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less advanced. This is also the
disadvantage
> of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more), their is calibration is
automatic
> (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have
the total
> manual calibration, you notice the difference in details of the recorded
sound and if a
> deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for internally by a Nak
service
> technician, I guess the EQ part of the 1000ZXL/700ZXl's RAMM has to do
with this.....
> This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for recording, others are
very cool as
> well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for recording...
>
> Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
>
> I don't have any other brand decks but think that your enhousiasm for the
Revox B215
> has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a reasonable price!
>
> And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak winners for looks! (those
COOL blue FL
> meters, in the dark.... whow!)
>
> Wouter
>
>
>
>
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From tapes at pls-inc.com  Mon Jan 24 19:12:29 2000
From: tapes at pls-inc.com (J W Norris)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:12:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
References: <200001240105.CAA28777@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <006601bf6697$475c7640$0501a8c0@jw>

Hello all you nakaholics,

When reading my 700ZXE owners manual I find that RAMM is not a calibration
system, but a Random Access Music Memory system, and works by sensing and
counting silent spaces of more that 4 seconds which are located between
musical selections on a tape.  Does this function differently on the ZXL
version?

Additionally, if I scan the owners manual, how do I convert it to an Adobe
file?

Thanks,

J W Norris
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From ddrucker at stny.rr.com  Mon Jan 24 19:56:28 2000
From: ddrucker at stny.rr.com (David Drucker)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:56:28 -0500
Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
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Message-ID: <002301bf669c$b8ee0080$258c5f18@stny.rr.com>

Just -- and I mean *just*! -- out of curiosity, what would this work cost
me?
david

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From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
To: George and Barbara Dupont <dupont at digizen.net>; <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]


> If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> recommend that.  I do replace the cheesey jacks with Cardas or
> Vampire's, of course.  I definitely recommend replacing all internal
> wiring.  Which wire depends on what function each wire performs.  I use
> Cardas, LAT International & 5n-purity silver wire when I do them.  I
> then replace all significant signal capacitors with Rel-Cap, MIT
> Multicap & SCR/Axon in various combinations, again depending on
> function, as well as add them generously in the power supply.  The most
> critical resistors with Caddock.  The other significant resistors with
> Dale.  All power supply rectifiers with discrete soft-recovery devices.
> Finally, all significant op-amp IC's with Analog Devices chips.
> Needless to say, even a CR-7 is a butt-load of work, but not nearly as
> much as maxing out a Dragon, which has far more wiring(almost a rat's
> nest), which is also a major reason that I think the CR-7 comes out
> better.
>
> George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> >
> > Stephen:
> > When you do your mods, do you include hardwiring?  If not, what is your
> > opinion on hardwiring?
> > Regards,
> > George
> > Annapolis, MD
> >
>
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> >
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
> > From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4 at coqui.net>
> >      <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2 at ozemail.com.au>
> >      <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4 at coqui.net>
> >
> > I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you
have
> > to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also,
change
> > caps?
> >
> > At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
> > findings, sonically
> > >speaking ?<
> > >Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> > >a much greater sense of rhythm.
> > >None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> > >are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
> > they were
> > >listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> > >Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would
not be
> > >willing to carry out.
> > >John H
> > >
> > >John H
> > >
> > >
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From HerbChong at compuserve.com  Mon Jan 24 20:08:31 2000
From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:08:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
Message-ID: <200001241408_MC2-9612-984D@compuserve.com>

i believe that RAMM actually encodes the information in the tape by
recording at about 5Hz or so and not by sensing silences. i don't have a
manual for my 700ZXL, but the reviews from the time for the ZXL talk about
the information actually being recorded on tape.

Herb....
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jan 24 20:27:14 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:27:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
References: <200001240105.CAA28777@zebra.naks.com> <006601bf6697$475c7640$0501a8c0@jw>
Message-ID: <388CA792.C763C23D@xs4all.nl>


Hi All,

If you refer to my mail, you are so right!
I mixed up R.A.M.M. and A.B.L.E.!!

RAMM in the 700ZXE and 1000ZXL/700ZXL differs! The ZXL's actually record something on
tape at the beginning of a 'track' where RAMM in the 700ZXE/682ZX/681ZX and all other
6?0ZX decks search the tape for 'blank' spots between recordings. I personally find
this less sophisticated RAMM more effective since you can search ANY tape for a
next/previous track when it has enough space between tracks....
J W Norris wrote:

> Hello all you nakaholics,
>
> When reading my 700ZXE owners manual I find that RAMM is not a calibration
> system, but a Random Access Music Memory system, and works by sensing and
> counting silent spaces of more that 4 seconds which are located between
> musical selections on a tape.  Does this function differently on the ZXL
> version?
>
> Additionally, if I scan the owners manual, how do I convert it to an Adobe
> file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> J W Norris
> Pacific Lighting Sales, Inc.
> Tape list at www.pls-inc.com/jwnorris
> [949] 597-1633   Fax [949] 597-1753
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From bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca  Mon Jan 24 21:31:22 2000
From: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca (Aaron Bohnen)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:31:22 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nak Cassette Deck 2 in pristine condition: $US 225
Message-ID: <E12Cq97-0006Ls-00@mail.interchange.ubc.ca>

Hi everyone,

I am selling my Nak Cassette Deck 2. It is truly superb shape - not a 
single scratch or ding anywhere on it. I honestly have never seen another 
one as good as this except when I saw them brand new on the shelf. This 
unit has very low hours also. The transport is far smoother than my LX-5. 

I have the original owner's manual with the deck as well.

Some Nakker is going to get a remarkably nice example of the Cassette 
Deck 2. Price: $US 225 and shipping from Vancouver, B.C.

More information can be seen on Wouter's superb site:

"http://www.naks.com" - just press NAKS on the left then scroll down on 
the right and click "Cassette Deck" when you see it.

I can also email digital pictures if anyone is interested.

best regards to all,

Aaron
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 22:03:14 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:03:14 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <001f01bf65ae$5f5fec20$d02f2ac4@coqui.net>
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Tape Man, he say ...
>
> Recap: There's not such thing as "the best sounding cassette deck" in the
> world. That's bull shit. It's just a personnal matter of taste
> and $ money.
> As to my concern, I enjoy music if it is coming out of a 1000 ZXL or a
> Technics RS-M63.
>
Couldn't agree more.  Whether something sounds good or not is a very
subjective and personal experience.    For example, sometimes, the recording
can apparently "sound better" than the live performance!  If it does then it
would be because the recording isn't life-like.  Yet most hi fi enthusiasts
claim that the purpose of buying exotic equipment is to produce the music so
that it sounds more "natural", or "better" than on lesser equipment.  I
suspect the real trick is to listen to the music rather than the equipment
it's being played through ...

Graham

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From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:30:58 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] An endless debate, I guess
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Carlos wrote:

Audio is full
> of myths,
> specially the High End and probably that's why is dying. I love High End
> because of the quality involved but I'm not willing to pay a
> house cost for
> a pair of speakers or mono blocks amps. That's bull shit. I have
> heard many
> low cost components that makes circles around Krells and Levinsons.

Well, I'm glad it's not just me!  I went to a Hi Fi News & Review Hi Fi Show
in Manchester (UK) a couple of uyears back and heard a myriad of different
systems.  I must confess the best (to my ears) I heard was a expensive.  Not
Krell but Chord amps and some exotic speakers and CD player the like of
which I'd not even heard of before.  And the sound was truly
"shut-your-eyes-and-be-there" drop dead gorgeous!  HOWEVER, the 2nd "best"
was a budget set up, of amp, CD and speakers, costing probably no more than
£700 for the lot including cables.  This set up had a sound you could listen
to and not tire.

Graham

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 22:36:44 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:36:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000124213644.17075.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com>


Serial number of my CR-7a is A130-02853 -- way before
the S/N you mention. Meanwhile, I received email
pointing out a tiny round sticker on the back of
the deck that shows year and quarter of manufacture
(it completely escaped my notice when I was looking
for the date on that same back panel -- thanks again,
Tom). Turns out my deck was manufactured during the
last quarter of 1985.

That said, it seems the deck already incorporates
correct equalization. Switching back and forth between
Tape and Source while recoding material such as cymbals,
guitar, etc., shows no audible (to me) difference in
high frequency content.

Perhaps I should clarify my previous remark concerning
the tiny aural difference between the 582 and the CR-7a.
While I conceded a discernible advantage in sound quality
of the latter, it is my (totally subjective) opinion that
this difference is too minute to really matter in normal
use. Considering the substantial difference in cost
between the two models, I would probably had kept the
582, had I known this in advance. Of course, YMMV.

To me, both decks produce recordings that are (depending
on material) all but indistiguishable from the source,
for most of the time. The CR-7a has a slight edge in
terms of airiness of the highs and body of the midrange.
Not very pronounced, not all the time.

I wonder if others that have owned both models for a
length of time and actually lived with them, may have
a different opinion.

As to the CR-7a wow I am experiencing with some tapes,
the only other cassette deck available to me is in
the office boom box and, yes, they do exhibit the same
problem. However, I always expected that a dual capstan
drive with pressure pad lifters and other goodies is
supposed to alleviate such problems. Certainly, my old
beloved 582 never did this, with any of these same old
tapes... Oh, well...

-- Ron



--- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> If yours is a CR-7A US model, then the serial number
> after which the problem was corrected in production
> was A130-08677.  If yours is before this, it may need
> the correction.  Syptom is a slight but noticeable top
> end rolloff in recording.  If you start recording a CD,
> after autocalibration, and switch back & forth between
> tape & source monitor, you will have the best chance of
> hearing the problem, if it exists.  The correction mod
> is a rather involved procedure, for which I charge $225,
> including any needed maintenance, cleaning & precision
> calibration/alignment.
> 
> Ron wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks for your response.
> > 
> > There is no way I know of to verify the deck's
> > age. Nakamichi cannot (or will not) match the S/N
> > to manufacturing date. The deck does have the
> > upgraded reel drive (gear instead of a pulley),
> > but I don't know whether it came that way from
> > Nakamichi, or was upgraded later.
> > 
> > Where/how can I get data on the equalization
> > upgrade you mention?
> > 
> > Also, what other upgrade mods would you suggest? I
> > am sure other CR-7a owners would be interested.
> > 
> > -- Ron
> > 
> > --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com> wrote:
> > > I have never run into that symptom with a CR-7
> before.
> > > I'd be
> > > interested to know if it is a foible of that cap
> motor
> > > system.  If you
> > > have a friend with a CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, BX-300 or MR-1
> > > which you can try
> > > these tapes on, please do it & let me know the
> result.
> > > The only other
> > > suggestion I can make is to re-hone the capstan
> shafts(in
> > > the pinch
> > > roller contact area), using a very, very fine
> sandpaper
> > > of steel wool,
> > > moving it rapidly back & forth while the shaft is
> > > rotating, until you
> > > have a nice matte finish.
> > > You should be aware that if your CR-7 was made before
> > > mid-1988, and has
> > > not been corrected yet, it will have incorrect record
> > > equalisation, due
> > > to a mistake in the original design calculations. 
> This
> > > would easily
> > > explain why it does not sound much better than the
> 582.
> > >
> > > Ron wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Interesting... I replaced my old 582 with a
> > > > CR-7a several months ago. Surprisingly, I
> > > > found little (that is, discernible, but not
> > > > earth shattering) sonic improvement. The
> > > > automatic record azimuth adjustment is a
> > > > nice gimmic, but, still, a gimmic -- I had
> > > > no problem doing the 582 manual adjustment.
> > > >
> > > > OTOH, the CR-7a developed a serious case of
> > > > wow with older cassettes. I have cleaned it
> > > > thoroughly and replaced the capstan belt and
> > > > both pinch rollers, but a hint of wow still
> > > > remains with some cassettes. I never had this
> > > > problem with the 582.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen, what upgrade mods would you recommend?
> > > >
> > > > -- Ron
> > > >
> > > > --- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > Personally, I like the CR-7 best of all, and
> think
> > > > > it the best candidate for upgrade mods.  Someday,
> I
> > > > > hope to find time to do just that to my own, but
> you
> > > > > guys have me too busy doing your Naks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Kannan S wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear carlos
> > > > > > How come CR7 does not figure any where here? I
> > > > > > have not heard it but considered by large
> > > > > > reviewers - better than Dragon in Record
> -replay
> > > > > > performance and sonics?
> > > > > > [...]
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 25 00:03:38 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:03:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
References: <200001241408_MC2-9612-984D@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <002301bf66bf$41bc2820$f02f2ac4@coqui.net>

I think you are right Herb, and Nakamichi reccomends using the subsonic
filter while using the RAMM.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Herb Chong <HerbChong at compuserve.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 2:08 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM


> i believe that RAMM actually encodes the information in the tape by
> recording at about 5Hz or so and not by sensing silences. i don't have a
> manual for my 700ZXL, but the reviews from the time for the ZXL talk about
> the information actually being recorded on tape.
>
> Herb....
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 25 00:04:14 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:04:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
References: <200001240105.CAA28777@zebra.naks.com> <006601bf6697$475c7640$0501a8c0@jw>
Message-ID: <002701bf66bf$56188f20$f02f2ac4@coqui.net>

Norris is right !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: J W Norris <tapes at pls-inc.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 1:12 PM
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM


> Hello all you nakaholics,
>
> When reading my 700ZXE owners manual I find that RAMM is not a calibration
> system, but a Random Access Music Memory system, and works by sensing and
> counting silent spaces of more that 4 seconds which are located between
> musical selections on a tape.  Does this function differently on the ZXL
> version?
>
> Additionally, if I scan the owners manual, how do I convert it to an Adobe
> file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> J W Norris
> Pacific Lighting Sales, Inc.
> Tape list at www.pls-inc.com/jwnorris
> [949] 597-1633   Fax [949] 597-1753
> Located @ N33.634108, W117.714183
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 25 00:14:22 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:14:22 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <000001bf65a9$1cc1bb00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>
Message-ID: <004b01bf66c0$c01dddc0$f02f2ac4@coqui.net>

The MR-1 is the professional version of Nakamichi along with the MR-2. The
main differences are that the MR-1 is 3 head, has balanced connectors and
the tape counter is digital. It also sounds better than the MR-2. Both are
19" rack mountable.

Good luck !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Hi,
>
> This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
> decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
> P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be
greatly
> appreciated! :)
>
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From alex at vovan.com  Mon Jan 24 23:57:27 2000
From: alex at vovan.com (Alexandre Vovan)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:57:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <004b01bf66c0$c01dddc0$f02f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <000201bf66be$634eef00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>

Carlos,

Thank you soooo much for your response. I was beginning to think that the
MR-1 was unknown from the rest of the world, and that it was just not worth
even looking at. Looking at the price differences, I'm sure it's not even
close the other models that are discussed here, but I just hope it's better
than other brands that are 3-head as well, or even newer cheaper models.

Thanks again,

Alexandre Vovan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 6:14 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


The MR-1 is the professional version of Nakamichi along with the MR-2. The
main differences are that the MR-1 is 3 head, has balanced connectors and
the tape counter is digital. It also sounds better than the MR-2. Both are
19" rack mountable.

Good luck !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Hi,
>
> This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
> decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
> P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be
greatly
> appreciated! :)
>
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From captain at bestweb.net  Mon Jan 24 19:24:11 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:24:11 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] MR-1
References: <000201bf66be$634eef00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>
Message-ID: <388C98CB.724C@bestweb.net>

Alexandre,
     The MR-1 is basically the professional version of the BX-300, one
of Nak's more popular units.  I have a 300, and it sounds great.  The
MR-1 is even better as it has Mike inputs, balanced inputs and outputs,
is rack-mountable, and is probably a little more ruggedly built.  I'm
certain you'll be happy with your purchase.

                                   Tom
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Jan 25 00:33:56 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 01:33:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <000201bf66be$634eef00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>
Message-ID: <002d01bf66c3$7cbbc6c0$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi Alexandre,

MR-1 - beautiful deck, especialy for professional use. Still be
in my "most wanted" list.

Michael
Kiev, Ukraine

> Carlos,
>
> Thank you soooo much for your response. I was beginning to think that the
> MR-1 was unknown from the rest of the world, and that it was just not
worth
> even looking at. Looking at the price differences, I'm sure it's not even
> close the other models that are discussed here, but I just hope it's
better
> than other brands that are 3-head as well, or even newer cheaper models.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Alexandre Vovan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Carlos
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 6:14 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> The MR-1 is the professional version of Nakamichi along with the MR-2. The
> main differences are that the MR-1 is 3 head, has balanced connectors and
> the tape counter is digital. It also sounds better than the MR-2. Both are
> 19" rack mountable.
>
> Good luck !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
> > decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be
> greatly
> > appreciated! :)
> >
> >
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Jan 25 08:53:15 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:53:15 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
References: <388B5226.2D43BC92@digizen.net> <388B85A3.79B09364@emall-online.com> <002301bf669c$b8ee0080$258c5f18@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <388D566B.5563E30E@rjknet.net>

Due to the intense amount of labor, not to mention parts cost, between a
grand & grand and a half, depending on how far you want to go.

David Drucker wrote:
> 
> Just -- and I mean *just*! -- out of curiosity, what would this work cost
> me?
> david
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
> To: George and Barbara Dupont <dupont at digizen.net>; <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
> 
> > If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> > recommend that.  I do replace the cheesey jacks with Cardas or
> > Vampire's, of course.  I definitely recommend replacing all internal
> > wiring.  Which wire depends on what function each wire performs.  I use
> > Cardas, LAT International & 5n-purity silver wire when I do them.  I
> > then replace all significant signal capacitors with Rel-Cap, MIT
> > Multicap & SCR/Axon in various combinations, again depending on
> > function, as well as add them generously in the power supply.  The most
> > critical resistors with Caddock.  The other significant resistors with
> > Dale.  All power supply rectifiers with discrete soft-recovery devices.
> > Finally, all significant op-amp IC's with Analog Devices chips.
> > Needless to say, even a CR-7 is a butt-load of work, but not nearly as
> > much as maxing out a Dragon, which has far more wiring(almost a rat's
> > nest), which is also a major reason that I think the CR-7 comes out
> > better.
> >
> > George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> > >
> > > Stephen:
> > > When you do your mods, do you include hardwiring?  If not, what is your
> > > opinion on hardwiring?
> > > Regards,
> > > George
> > > Annapolis, MD
> > >
> >
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> > > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
> > > From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4 at coqui.net>
> > >      <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2 at ozemail.com.au>
> > >      <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4 at coqui.net>
> > >
> > > I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you
> have
> > > to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also,
> change
> > > caps?
> > >
> > > At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
> > > findings, sonically
> > > >speaking ?<
> > > >Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> > > >a much greater sense of rhythm.
> > > >None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette sound
> > > >are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to believe
> > > they were
> > > >listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> > > >Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would
> not be
> > > >willing to carry out.
> > > >John H
> > > >
> > > >John H
> > > >
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From mcpas at compcom.com.au  Tue Jan 25 13:12:32 2000
From: mcpas at compcom.com.au (Tony McKay)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:12:32 +1100
Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
Message-ID: <B0000549811@cpc-server.compcom.com.au>

this stuff is all well and good  I suppose, although my probably irrational
bias against ic's/op amps makes me wonder if it would be worthwhile,
especially as you would still have the toy dolby ic's in circuit whether
dolby is used or not.
i suppose that's why i still use my 500(latest mods (1976 i think) rp53
heads and slighly modified rec amps, the last time i measured the freq
response it was flat within 2dB to around 18k, not that measurements count
a lot) at home and my 250 (which has travelled about a million kilometres)
in various cars. my kids also use some restored sonab c500's.

the older decks(250,350,500,550,700,700.2,1000,1000.2) had a lot of
advantages with their discrete circuitry, although their mech's could be a
bit clunky.

what i would really like would be a latest700.2 with the metal kit fitted
using normal and psuedo chrome tapes. i've done a few of these and they are
really great.

but hey most naks were great.

while i'm waffling on the best sounds you'll ever get out your naks will be
using some high quality mics and do your own live recordings, i've never
heard any commercial recordings come close.

----------
> From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at emall-online.com>
> To: George and Barbara Dupont <dupont at digizen.net>; naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis]
> Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 9:50 AM
> 
> If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> recommend that.  I do replace the cheesey jacks with Cardas or
> Vampire's, of course.  I definitely recommend replacing all internal
> wiring.  Which wire depends on what function each wire performs.  I use
> Cardas, LAT International & 5n-purity silver wire when I do them.  I
> then replace all significant signal capacitors with Rel-Cap, MIT
> Multicap & SCR/Axon in various combinations, again depending on
> function, as well as add them generously in the power supply.  The most
> critical resistors with Caddock.  The other significant resistors with
> Dale.  All power supply rectifiers with discrete soft-recovery devices. 
> Finally, all significant op-amp IC's with Analog Devices chips. 
> Needless to say, even a CR-7 is a butt-load of work, but not nearly as
> much as maxing out a Dragon, which has far more wiring(almost a rat's
> nest), which is also a major reason that I think the CR-7 comes out
> better.
> 
> George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> > 
> > Stephen:
> > When you do your mods, do you include hardwiring?  If not, what is your
> > opinion on hardwiring?
> > Regards,
> > George
> > Annapolis, MD
> > 
> >  
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> > 
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
> > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:36:58 -0600
> > From: "Rudy J. Kleimann III" <kleimann at wt.net>
> > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > References: <004901bf6537$ae4000e0$632f2ac4 at coqui.net>
> >      <388A3F07.9FDC9AA2 at ozemail.com.au>
> >      <001701bf6559$da9a4020$48302ac4 at coqui.net>
> > 
> > I'm interested in some details of your mods. What wire, and what'd you
have
> > to do to get it? I hope not buy patchcords and cut 'em up... Also,
change
> > caps?
> > 
> > At 03:37 PM 1/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Carlos wrote:>Very good, John. After all those mods. what are your
> > findings, sonically
> > >speaking ?<
> > >Tighter bass,deeper soundstage, more transparency in the mid-range and
> > >a much greater sense of rhythm.
> > >None of these changes were subtle and most who know good cassette
sound
> > >are impressed. I have had "golden eared " audiophiles refuse to
believe
> > they were
> > >listening to cassette until they had there noses rubbed in it.
> > >Strangely the hard wiring is the modification that most people would
not be
> > >willing to carry out.
> > >John H
> > >
> > >John H
> > >
> > >
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 25 17:19:58 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:19:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <20000125161958.17459.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com>


Kannan,

You seem to define any frequency non-linearity
designed into a cassette deck as 'equalization'.
I define equalization as the specific corrective
response defined and standardized for each tape
type. Other frequency non-linearities may be
present in a deck design (mostly, to correct for
head characteristics). In many lesser designs,
these are not adjustable. In better decks (let
alone, high-end decks), these are made
adjustable, to allow a tech to compensate for
component tolerances. It's quite true that these
adjustments may be used to tweak the deck for a
particular tape type. However, in all cases I
am aware of, these ajdustments are internal and
only avilable to a tech, not the user.

The CR-7a that you mentioned, automatically
adjusts azimuth, level and bias, but *not*
equalization. I am not sure about the ZXL designs.

As to components, what I meant to say was that,
in a well designed circuit, if you replace *any*
component (including transistors) with another OF
THE SAME TYPE that meets it's specifications, the
circuit will still measure within its own original
specification. I did not say you cannot improve
performance by replacing with different component
type or simply modifying to another, better design.
Yes, replacing an opamp with a different type that
produces lower noise, will generally improve noise
performance, to a small degree. I am not sure what
you mean by 'better tolerance of opamps'.

Of course, the design engineer of a specific deck
model has already used the optimum components and
design, commensurate with his price goal. Assuming
he knew what he was doing (a given, for Nak decks)
it's highy unlikely we can COST EFFECTIVELY improve
on the design. Yes, we can throw at it inordinate
amounts of money and effort, but I am not sure that,
beyond a certain point, the results will justify
the cost and time.

-- Ron


--- Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> Dear Ron
> When you record and replay a cassette, the cherectristics
> may differ from playing a
> standard IEC tape for play back equalisation - which is
> fixed and is part of the
> playback amp circuit in cassette recorders. The recording
> is done by actively shaping
> the recording charecteristics to get a flat response
> after this playback equalisation -
> does not work the same way for all brands of even one
> type ( say type I) or same brand
> if manufacturer changes the formulation or coating
> method. This can be remedied partly
> by level and bias adjustments and these adjustments are
> done only at two frequencies
> and not the entire spectrum of 30Hz to say 16 Khz. That
> needs  preferably by
> computerised adjustment,  - more frequencies are adjusted
> by record chaerectrictics
> shaping circuit after bias and level are adjusted. 
> Exactly how 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL does
> this is not known to me but generally this peaking
> adjustment in record circuits of
> regular Naks  is done by an Inductor during recorder
> alignment stage- not advisable
> generally without costly test instruments as well as
> recommended procedures -  Even
> with these instruments only Service Techi can do this
> alignment as this is tedious and
> needs patience. (That is why Stephen charges 225USD for
> Nak CR7 A tuning in his earlier
> mail!) Even this is done only on TDK or Nakamichi tapes
> for Nak regular recorders. So
> if you know this procedures and have the tools you can
> tweak the recorders for any one
> brand of tapes. however this is done automatically by ZXL
> decks and so any tape can be
> tweaked on them to get correct response with low noise
> and distortion. So this is not
> playback equalisation  but record equalisation - I hope I
> explained it ?
> 
> Also on Opamps - definitely lower noise opamps or better
> tolerance of opamps can sound
> differently in the same circuit - I have done mods on my
> preamp and heard the
> differences
> Also Transistors used in Low level signals - playback
> amps - can be critical as you can
> select a higher gain lower noise devices to get better
> signal to noise ratio
> particularly on cassette playback as the signal levels
> are very low- in microvolts.
> Even the capacitor in this circuit is critical like
> moving coil ( Phono) pick up
> ampilfying circuits. What I wanted is whether circuit
> design as well components used in
> different Nakamichi decks particularly ZXL and other
> machines - do they contribute to
> the quality difference in playing tapes? This can be
> answered best by people who have
> access to different service manuals and heard them.
> Kannan
> 
> Ron wrote:
> 
> > --- Kannan S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> > > Dear Wouter
> > > I fully agree that bias and level adjust alone would
> > > not suffice and Equalisation adjustment differs from
> > > tape to Tape ...
> >
> > I believe equalization is standard for all cassette
> > recorders and exactly predefined for each tape type.
> >
> > > ... and probably people judge sound quality more
> > > to that - Infact popular tape manufacturers like
> > > TDK / Sony / Maxel change their formulation ( or
> > > changed their formulations ) often without change
> > > in the box or cover. So I feel that is the reason
> > > why 1000ZXL or 700 ZXL should be sounding very
> > > good as they adjust record peaking charecteristics
> > > to suite the tape or different method to get correct
> > > equalisation.
> >
> > I believe what the recorders adjust are recording
> > level and bias.
> >
> > > I would like to know whether any of the circuit
> > > charecteristics or active device like transistors
> > > and opamps also contribute to this along with
> > > record / replay heads?
> >
> > In a well designed circuit, device charateristics
> > (within the device spec range) do not materially
> > affect circuit performance. This is especially
> > true for op-amps, due to the high negative feedback.
> > This means that replacing a blown device with a new
> > one will restore correct circuit operation. Spread
> > of Rec/PB heads characteristics tends to be very
> > narrow.
> >
> > > My CR3 definitely doesnot sound as lively as 582.
> >
> > Equalization in the 582 is fixed for each of the 3
> > tape types. Don't know about the CR3 but suspect
> > this is also the case, as for all other cassette
> > recorders.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> > > Does Revox adjust equalisation?
> > > I would like to point out -
> > > Linsely Hood article on his cassette deck design in
> > > Wireless World ( 1975-76!) explains
> > > this nicely and his case for obtaining coorect bias
> and
> > > equalisation to reduce noise /
> > > distortion more than wide frequency response gives
> > > subjective quality record & replay
> > > performance. And that case  is bettered with Nak's
> > > engineering - head as well as dual
> > > capstan -to have wide frequency response along with
> low
> > > distortion and noise.
> > >
> > > Wouter Heijke wrote:
> > >
> > > > Carlos,
> > > >
> > > > I guess I share your passion for the 700ZXL (still
> have
> > > to find one) and the 1000ZXL,
> > > > which is my favorite and ultimate Nak (the LTD is
> still
> > > too expensive and hard to
> > > > find!).
> > > >
> > > > To my opinion the Dragon is the best Nak for
> playback
> > > and the 1000ZXL for recording. I
> > > > own both units and think the 1000ZXL is just
> superior
> > > for recording, I guess it beats
> > > > the CR7 by far although I don't own one (this and
> the
> > > 700ZXL are the only decks left on
> > > > my most wanted Naks list..).
> > > > What I noticed is that you get spoiled by the
> 1000ZXL's
> > > RAMM automatic tape calibration
> > > > system, no other Nak does this as good as the
> 1000ZXL
> > > if serviced well! The 700ZXL
> > > > comes close, but it's RAMM is just a bit less
> advanced.
> > > This is also the disadvantage
> > > > of the 700ZXE/680ZX/682ZX/670ZX (and some more),
> their
> > > is calibration is automatic
> > > > (700ZXE) or semi-manual but less sophisticated. The
> > > Dragon/ZX7/ZX9 have the total
> > > > manual calibration, you notice the difference in
> > > details of the recorded sound and if a
> > > > deck adapts to a tape that it wasn't calibrated for
> > > internally by a Nak service
> > > > technician, I guess the EQ part of the
> 1000ZXL/700ZXl's
> > > RAMM has to do with this.....
> > > > This is also why I stick to the 'high-end' Naks for
> > > recording, others are very cool as
> > > > well (the 480 and LX3 for example) but not for
> > > recording...
> > > >
> > > > Do you (or any one else) share my experience?
> > > >
> > > > I don't have any other brand decks but think that
> your
> > > enhousiasm for the Revox B215
> > > > has convinced me to buy one when I find one for a
> > > reasonable price!
> > > >
> > > > And for looks, the 1000ZXL and 680ZX are my Nak
> winners
> > > for looks! (those COOL blue FL
> > > > meters, in the dark.... whow!)
> > > >
> > > > Wouter
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Jan 25 17:56:29 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:56:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <20000125161958.17459.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <009201bf6755$2351aea0$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi Ron,

Both ZXL - 700 and 1000 has ABLE system,
wich is: Asimut Bias Level Equalisation (as far
as I know), all four are computer adjustable
using 15!!! frequences. There is no other decks
in a whole world like this! So both ZXL automatically
adjust recording equalisation for each particular tape.


> The CR-7a that you mentioned, automatically
> adjusts azimuth, level and bias, but *not*
> equalization. I am not sure about the ZXL designs.

As for the optimum components - it's right for 
the time when each deck was designed. At present time
we have many new components with better quality,
plus - some new aproach in audio as well - better caps,
better resistors, better wires. Of course it may cost
certain amount of money - but again we all Naklovers
and this is not the less expencive hobby in a world :)


> Of course, the design engineer of a specific deck
> model has already used the optimum components and
> design, commensurate with his price goal. Assuming
> he knew what he was doing (a given, for Nak decks)
> it's highy unlikely we can COST EFFECTIVELY improve
> on the design. Yes, we can throw at it inordinate
> amounts of money and effort, but I am not sure that,
> beyond a certain point, the results will justify
> the cost and time.

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Jan 25 18:08:53 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:08:53 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <388A59BF.EB22A913@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000125180853.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
wrong Powersupply. 

Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK deck
(Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting ones).
Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed? 
I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral position
to the US in about 1 1/2 years.

K.-H.



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From smithb at mail.pjsnet.com  Tue Jan 25 19:06:38 2000
From: smithb at mail.pjsnet.com (Brice T. Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:06:38 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
References: <XFMail.000125180853.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <000801bf676c$59e56d00$a407b2c3@default>

Hi There,
I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use one
rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't even get
warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't find one, let
me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so use my Hotmail:
smithbt at hotmail.com

Regards to all,

Brice

----- Original Message -----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


> This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
> can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
> In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
> wrong Powersupply.
>
> Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK deck
> (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting ones).
> Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed?
> I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral position
> to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
>
> K.-H.
>
>
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 25 21:13:53 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:13:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <20000125201353.1179.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com>



--- Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
wrote:
> [....]
> 
> Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply
> into a NAK deck (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem
> to be the most interesting ones).

The 700 I used to own many years ago (like, in the mid
70s) came with a dual voltage supply. Later on, American
import regulations required a single line voltage supply.

Don't have documentation for the Dragon, but the CR-7
can be had with any of 5 supplies. I believe the only
difference in the dual voltage one is the dual primary
power transformer, fuse ratings and the inclusion of a
voltage selector switch. I wonder if that transformer
is still available as a replacement part. This will
allow you to modify any CR-7 to 220V operation.

I suspect the same comments apply to other Nak decks.

-- Ron

> Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's
> changed? 
> I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a
> postdoctoral position
> to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
> 
> K.-H.
> 
> 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jan 25 21:28:50 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:28:50 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
Message-ID: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl>

I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
Wijnen.

In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
it. It's in Duch only...

    gear_update.pdf

In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
manuals:

    Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
    Nak_bx125_manual.pdf

and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:

    Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf

Thanks Norman!

Wouter


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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan 25 23:37:30 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:37:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
References: <000201bf66be$634eef00$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>
Message-ID: <000701bf6784$c4534a00$17302ac4@coqui.net>

Enjoy it !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis


> Carlos,
>
> Thank you soooo much for your response. I was beginning to think that the
> MR-1 was unknown from the rest of the world, and that it was just not
worth
> even looking at. Looking at the price differences, I'm sure it's not even
> close the other models that are discussed here, but I just hope it's
better
> than other brands that are 3-head as well, or even newer cheaper models.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Alexandre Vovan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Carlos
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 6:14 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> The MR-1 is the professional version of Nakamichi along with the MR-2. The
> main differences are that the MR-1 is 3 head, has balanced connectors and
> the tape counter is digital. It also sounds better than the MR-2. Both are
> 19" rack mountable.
>
> Good luck !
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This may be out of the blue, as I don't have any experience with the Nak
> > decks, but how would you rate the MR-1? (I'm getting a used one)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > P.S. Oh, and if anyone know where I can get the manual, it would be
> greatly
> > appreciated! :)
> >
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From nicy at jet.es  Tue Jan 25 23:46:56 2000
From: nicy at jet.es (javier g)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:46:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7>

Hi, wouter

What is the web site address of the ftp server?
thanks,

Javier (Spain)


----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server


> I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> Wijnen.
>
> In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> it. It's in Duch only...
>
>     gear_update.pdf
>
> In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> manuals:
>
>     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
>     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
>
> and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
>
>     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
>
> Thanks Norman!
>
> Wouter
>
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 26 00:41:57 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:41:57 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7>
Message-ID: <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl>

Here it is:

ftp://ftp.naks.com

Wouter

javier g wrote:

> Hi, wouter
>
> What is the web site address of the ftp server?
> thanks,
>
> Javier (Spain)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
>
> > I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> > Wijnen.
> >
> > In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> > it. It's in Duch only...
> >
> >     gear_update.pdf
> >
> > In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> > manuals:
> >
> >     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
> >     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
> >
> > and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
> >
> >     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
> >
> > Thanks Norman!
> >
> > Wouter
> >

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From minervo at execpc.com  Wed Jan 26 01:06:19 2000
From: minervo at execpc.com (Kirby Krause)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:06:19 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7> <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <388E3A79.D20BDB06@execpc.com>

We appreciate all of your work on the Nak sites, thanks.
Kirby

Wouter Heijke wrote:

> Here it is:
>
> ftp://ftp.naks.com
>
> Wouter
>
> javier g wrote:
>
> > Hi, wouter
> >
> > What is the web site address of the ftp server?
> > thanks,
> >
> > Javier (Spain)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
> >
> > > I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> > > Wijnen.
> > >
> > > In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> > > it. It's in Duch only...
> > >
> > >     gear_update.pdf
> > >
> > > In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> > > manuals:
> > >
> > >     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
> > >     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
> > >
> > > and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
> > >
> > >     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
> > >
> > > Thanks Norman!
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Wed Jan 26 09:00:51 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:00:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DD9E@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

I was able to obtain OEM dual voltage transformers from a audio
shop in Wuerzburg, Germany.  I have gotten several original
Nakamichi power supplies over the last 10 years for different
components, but it is not cheap.  ST-7 Tuner (DM 220), Dragon (DM280),
CA-7 (DM 400), etc.
Dual voltage models were sold to PX/BX military shoppers or in 
countries where no dual voltage restrictions existed.  
The most cost effective way is using Brice's suggestion.

Brice Smith....I've seen that name on CHCS in Europe before....
 
Cheers,
Raul


-----Original Message-----
From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:07 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


Hi There,
I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use one
rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't even get
warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't find one, let
me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so use my Hotmail:
smithbt at hotmail.com

Regards to all,

Brice

----- Original Message -----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


> This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
> can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
> In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
> wrong Powersupply.
>
> Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK deck
> (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting ones).
> Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed?
> I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral position
> to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
>
> K.-H.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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> Date: 25-Jan-00      Time: 18:05:30
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 26 10:31:26 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:31:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7> <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl> <388E3A79.D20BDB06@execpc.com>
Message-ID: <388EBEEE.C22AC867@xs4all.nl>

Thanks but he real work on this one was done by Norman.... I only provide the
diskspace....

Wouter

Kirby Krause wrote:

> We appreciate all of your work on the Nak sites, thanks.
> Kirby
>
> Wouter Heijke wrote:
>
> > Here it is:
> >
> > ftp://ftp.naks.com
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > javier g wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, wouter
> > >
> > > What is the web site address of the ftp server?
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > Javier (Spain)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
> > >
> > > > I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> > > > Wijnen.
> > > >
> > > > In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> > > > it. It's in Duch only...
> > > >
> > > >     gear_update.pdf
> > > >
> > > > In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> > > > manuals:
> > > >
> > > >     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
> > > >     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
> > > >
> > > > and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
> > > >
> > > >     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Norman!
> > > >
> > > > Wouter
> > > >
> >

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Jan 26 12:16:46 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:16:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-215 For Sale
Message-ID: <005901bf67ee$d63a8520$7d2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Well my friends, since I have 2 B-215 Revoxes here, I'll like to share one
for the ridiculous price of $500.00 as is. The machine is in good to
excellent condition. The last listed price for her in 1994 was $3,200.00
Revox service and parts are always available, just in case she'll need it in
the future. Also, Stephen Sank is already handy with the Revoxes too.

Heads are ok for at least 15 years more and it has new rollers and just
recently a capstan shaft was "micro sealed" at Revox. I use to have the
carton but it was so in bad shape that it's no longer available. I think I
still have the manual, or at least a copy.

At this price if you're interested, be fast, very fast ... First come, first
served.

Best,

The Tape Man

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Wed Jan 26 11:43:53 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:43:53 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
In-Reply-To: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DD9E@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000126114353.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I feared the lower
frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the system...

On the other hand Nak probalby designed the rectifier/capacitors quite
good anyway. 
Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with the 60Hz->50Hz
change at the same time)? No problems or hum? 

K.-H.

On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]

> I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use
> one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't
> even get warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't
> find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so
> use my Hotmail:
> smithbt at hotmail.com


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From merhan at hilite-ind.com  Wed Jan 26 14:38:56 2000
From: merhan at hilite-ind.com (MERHAN)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:38:56 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <C028CC273CC7D211BD5D0008C75CE21407C6F2@mail.hilite-ind.com>

Hi there,

I have a euro ZX-9 that I'm using now here in the USA.  I have a 110V ->
220V Transformer without HZ change.  Have been using it for (WOW) 15 years
that way.  No problems.

M.E. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann [mailto:k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:44 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


Hi,

so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I feared the lower
frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the system...

On the other hand Nak probalby designed the rectifier/capacitors quite
good anyway. 
Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with the 60Hz->50Hz
change at the same time)? No problems or hum? 

K.-H.

On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]

> I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use
> one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't
> even get warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't
> find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so
> use my Hotmail:
> smithbt at hotmail.com


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From aaron_taylor at reyrey.com  Wed Jan 26 15:03:56 2000
From: aaron_taylor at reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:03:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
Message-ID: <01BF67DC.47617AA0.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>

Thanks for all these manuals and the access to them we in all the World thank you .


Aaron

-----Original Message-----
From:	Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:31 AM
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 26 17:18:07 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:18:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <20000126161807.917.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>


--- MERHAN <merhan at hilite-ind.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have a euro ZX-9 that I'm using now here in the
> USA.  I have a 110V -> 220V Transformer without HZ
> change.  Have been using it for (WOW) 15 years
> that way.  No problems.

You shouldn't. If any, problems will occur the
other way around, when transformers designed for
60Hz operation are run at 50Hz. They tend to
overheat.

The 20% difference in frequency is not severe,
but it does tend to shorten transformer life.
However, it stands to reason Nakamichi designed
all their power transforments (even those intended
for the US) to withstand 50Hz operation.

-- Ron



> M.E. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann
> [mailto:k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:44 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I
> feared the lower
> frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the
> system...
> 
> On the other hand Nak probalby designed the
> rectifier/capacitors quite
> good anyway. 
> Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with
> the 60Hz->50Hz
> change at the same time)? No problems or hum? 
> 
> K.-H.
> 
> On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]
> 
> > I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v
> transformer, I use
> > one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems. 
> Transformer doesn't
> > even get warm.  These are available used for 20
> dollars, If you can't
> > find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing
> email providers, so
> > use my Hotmail:
> > smithbt at hotmail.com
> 
> 
>
----------------------------------------------------------
> E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> Date: 26-Jan-00      Time: 11:39:46
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 26 22:48:35 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:48:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <01BF67DC.47617AA0.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>
Message-ID: <388F6BB3.5BE88378@xs4all.nl>

I hear Norman is doing some more scanning.... Prepare yourself for more!

Wouter

Aaron Taylor wrote:

> Thanks for all these manuals and the access to them we in all the World thank you .
>
> Aaron
>
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> Sent:   Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:31 AM
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:        Re: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 26 22:53:09 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:53:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
References: <XFMail.000125180853.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de> <000801bf676c$59e56d00$a407b2c3@default>
Message-ID: <388F6CC5.D51E243B@xs4all.nl>

Hi,

I also use a cheap transformer for my 1000ZXL.
The main Dutch Nak technician tested the transformer with the 1000ZXL and found no
capacity problems. Having an original power supply is what I wanted but these are not
available anymore for the 1000ZXL....

Wouter

"Brice T. Smith" wrote:

> Hi There,
> I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use one
> rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't even get
> warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't find one, let
> me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so use my Hotmail:
> smithbt at hotmail.com
>
> Regards to all,
>
> Brice
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 6:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
>
> > This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
> > can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
> > In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
> > wrong Powersupply.
> >
> > Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK deck
> > (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting ones).
> > Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed?
> > I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral position
> > to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
> >
> > K.-H.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > Date: 25-Jan-00      Time: 18:05:30
> > ----------------------------------------------------------

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jan 27 00:27:54 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:27:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
References: <XFMail.000125180853.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de> <000801bf676c$59e56d00$a407b2c3@default> <388F6CC5.D51E243B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <003901bf6854$f934ec80$0e2f2ac4@coqui.net>

I think I was lucky in finding a "New Old Stock" direct from japan new 1000
ZXL with switcheable voltages. just a flip of a button and I'm in 220 or 120
volts. I think this one was an european version and the former owner (R.I.P)
bought it direct from Japan. She never played a C-90 cassette in full when I
got her and the manual was still sealed !

best,

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


> Hi,
>
> I also use a cheap transformer for my 1000ZXL.
> The main Dutch Nak technician tested the transformer with the 1000ZXL and
found no
> capacity problems. Having an original power supply is what I wanted but
these are not
> available anymore for the 1000ZXL....
>
> Wouter
>
> "Brice T. Smith" wrote:
>
> > Hi There,
> > I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v transformer, I use
one
> > rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.  Transformer doesn't even get
> > warm.  These are available used for 20 dollars, If you can't find one,
let
> > me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing email providers, so use my Hotmail:
> > smithbt at hotmail.com
> >
> > Regards to all,
> >
> > Brice
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 6:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
> >
> > > This reminds me: I'm really thinking about getting me another NAK so I
> > > can copy tapes, but here in Europe they are very rare.
> > > In the US there are quite a lot of NAK's available, but they have the
> > > wrong Powersupply.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to put a switchable(!) Powersupply into a NAK
deck
> > > (Dragon or one of the 700 series seem to be the most interesting
ones).
> > > Or is it changed to Euopean Powersupply once it's changed?
> > > I ask because I'm still thinking about going for a postdoctoral positi
on
> > > to the US in about 1 1/2 years.
> > >
> > > K.-H.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > > Date: 25-Jan-00      Time: 18:05:30
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
>
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From nicy at jet.es  Thu Jan 27 01:20:46 2000
From: nicy at jet.es (javier g)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:20:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7> <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <002d01bf685c$5c426bc0$7ba237c3@e9b1l7>

Hi,

Thanks you very much Wouter an Norman for your work.

Javier (Spain)
----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server


> Here it is:
>
> ftp://ftp.naks.com
>
> Wouter
>
> javier g wrote:
>
> > Hi, wouter
> >
> > What is the web site address of the ftp server?
> > thanks,
> >
> > Javier (Spain)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:28 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] new manuals on the ftp server
> >
> > > I've placed 4 new PDF files on the ftp server, scanned by Norman van
> > > Wijnen.
> > >
> > > In the Dutch directory there is a paper on the gear update, how to do
> > > it. It's in Duch only...
> > >
> > >     gear_update.pdf
> > >
> > > In the international directory you'll find the BX100 and BX125 owners
> > > manuals:
> > >
> > >     Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
> > >     Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
> > >
> > > and the english directory has the CR1/2 combined owners manual:
> > >
> > >     Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
> > >
> > > Thanks Norman!
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
>
> -
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 27 10:40:20 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:40:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <388E0781.E595C7F8@xs4all.nl> <001901bf6786$1b8d8000$0ab4e0c2@e9b1l7> <388E34C5.6A77D9DB@xs4all.nl> <002d01bf685c$5c426bc0$7ba237c3@e9b1l7>
Message-ID: <38901284.24F9AD59@xs4all.nl>

Thanks (again) Norman for the latest manuals!

Wouter

dutch:
 Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf  (NEW)
 N480.pdf
 gear_update.pdf
 nr200-2.pdf

english:
 680ZX_Owner.PDF
 680ZX_Owner.pdf
 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf
 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf
 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf
 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf
 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf
 N582_Suplement.pdf (NEW)
 N_BX_300.pdf
 Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
 nak_lx-5.pdf
 nkcr7a5a.pdf
 nkdragon.pdf

international:
 HighComII.pdf
 NakN480_manual.pdf (NEW)
 Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
 Nak_bx125_manual.pdf

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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Thu Jan 27 12:16:27 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:16:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-215 For Sale
Message-ID: <011401bf68b8$11a28d00$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>

HI Carlos!

In terested in sending it to a very mild climate, near a lovely lake in
Carinthia/Austria/Europe next to two Dragons, a LX-5, LX-3, RX-505, ZX-7?
:-)))))

Please let me know if it is still available!

MfG

Wolfgang

PS:Still interested in Service manuals? Got a lot of Xerox copies for $6
each, still some available (maybe I´ll scan them - if I could only get more
time)

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Jan 27 14:24:21 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:24:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-215 For Sale
References: <011401bf68b8$11a28d00$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>
Message-ID: <000701bf68c9$d2dd58e0$762f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Dr.

Long time I haven't heard from you ! Well, I'll let you know if the first
customer declines. I'll keep you posted !

Best,

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig <w.smetanig at chello.at>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox B-215 For Sale


> HI Carlos!
>
> In terested in sending it to a very mild climate, near a lovely lake in
> Carinthia/Austria/Europe next to two Dragons, a LX-5, LX-3, RX-505, ZX-7?
> :-)))))
>
> Please let me know if it is still available!
>
> MfG
>
> Wolfgang
>
> PS:Still interested in Service manuals? Got a lot of Xerox copies for $6
> each, still some available (maybe I´ll scan them - if I could only get
more
> time)
>
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From Jrdcesq at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 15:47:03 2000
From: Jrdcesq at aol.com (Jrdcesq at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:47:03 EST
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
Message-ID: <ae.91da17.25c1b467@aol.com>

I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at 
jrdcesq at aol.com.

Thank you

John
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From aaron_taylor at reyrey.com  Thu Jan 27 16:13:35 2000
From: aaron_taylor at reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:13:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
Message-ID: <01BF68AF.2CA46500.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>

John,

      You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!

Aaron

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
Sent:	Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:

I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at 
jrdcesq at aol.com.

Thank you

John
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 27 18:53:29 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:53:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68AF.2CA46500.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>
Message-ID: <38908619.748F882F@xs4all.nl>

Exactly!
That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!

One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me off!

Wouter

Aaron Taylor wrote:

> John,
>
>       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
>
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at
> jrdcesq at aol.com.
>
> Thank you
>
> John
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From aaron_taylor at reyrey.com  Thu Jan 27 20:53:03 2000
From: aaron_taylor at reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:53:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
Message-ID: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>

Hi Wouter,
     You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on NAKTALK. Please understand
that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals out there that are free. Under
no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for granted that them are people like
yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world should take advantage of getting 
something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE ourselves to help make this world
a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I cannot believe that someone is trying to 
take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It will prove valuable and will help build the library.

Thanks
Aaron

-----Original Message-----
From:	Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
Sent:	Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:

Exactly!
That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!

One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me off!

Wouter

Aaron Taylor wrote:

> John,
>
>       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
>
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at
> jrdcesq at aol.com.
>
> Thank you
>
> John
>

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 27 19:52:13 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:52:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
Message-ID: <20000127185213.10396.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com>


My CR-7 seems to have faulty memory. Meaning:
when turned on, it does not remember the last
counter value and tape length. Can't find
anything about this in the manual. Is this a
weakness of the design, same as the lack of
ON/OFF function on the remote control? Is the
CR-7 supposed to remember counter value and
tape length after being switched off?

BTW, since the deck does remember tape type/equ
and monitoring source, I must conclude that the
battery and microprocessor are good.

Thanks for any comment,

-- Ron

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 27 23:34:01 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:34:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>
Message-ID: <3890C7D9.116C2348@xs4all.nl>

Hi Aaron,

I know of 2 people who tried selling a printed copy on ebay, fortunally ebay stopped their auction!
Ebay is getting more and more crazy every day, people pay unbeleavable amounts of money for a piece of paper!

I don't know exactly how to turn your scanned material into PDF, others may be able to answer that question, but if you don't
have access to PDF software but do have a scanner you can also send TIFF images so someone else can turn those into PDF. I have
a BX1 service manual waiting to be processed from TIFF into PDF.

Wouter


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> Hi Wouter,
>      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on NAKTALK. Please understand
> that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals out there that are free. Under
> no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for granted that them are people like
> yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world should take advantage of getting
> something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE ourselves to help make this world
> a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I cannot believe that someone is trying to
> take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It will prove valuable and will help build the library.
>
> Thanks
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> Exactly!
> That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
>
> One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me off!
>
> Wouter
>
> Aaron Taylor wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact me at
> > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > John
> >

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Fri Jan 28 00:07:19 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:07:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>
Message-ID: <001401bf691b$43a9d3e0$00ecfea9@asus>

Hello Aaron,

i've just scan the Nakamichi dragon folder and i send it to Wouter. I don't
know if these folder is the same as the a 8 page pamphlet you mentioned?

greetings

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Taylor <aaron_taylor at reyrey.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:


> Hi Wouter,
>      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on
NAKTALK. Please understand
> that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
out there that are free. Under
> no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for
granted that them are people like
> yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
should take advantage of getting
> something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE
ourselves to help make this world
> a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet
on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
cannot believe that someone is trying to
> take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
will prove valuable and will help build the library.
>
> Thanks
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> Exactly!
> That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
>
> One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
off!
>
> Wouter
>
> Aaron Taylor wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact
me at
> > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > John
> >
>
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From minervo at execpc.com  Fri Jan 28 00:33:46 2000
From: minervo at execpc.com (Kirby Krause)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:33:46 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com> <001401bf691b$43a9d3e0$00ecfea9@asus>
Message-ID: <3890D5D7.F59E4763@execpc.com>

Hi fellow fanatics.
I picked up a 580 from the original owner with about 50 hours on it, looks like new.
Got it in a package deal, I will sell it for $150 plus ship to a good home if anyone
wants it.  Thanks.
Kirby in Wi.
ZX-7 and Revox 215

Norman van Wijnen wrote:

> Hello Aaron,
>
> i've just scan the Nakamichi dragon folder and i send it to Wouter. I don't
> know if these folder is the same as the a 8 page pamphlet you mentioned?
>
> greetings
>
> Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aaron Taylor <aaron_taylor at reyrey.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> > Hi Wouter,
> >      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on
> NAKTALK. Please understand
> > that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
> out there that are free. Under
> > no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for
> granted that them are people like
> > yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
> should take advantage of getting
> > something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE
> ourselves to help make this world
> > a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet
> on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> > area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
> cannot believe that someone is trying to
> > take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
> this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> > ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
> will prove valuable and will help build the library.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Aaron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > Exactly!
> > That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
> >
> > One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
> off!
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> > >
> > >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > >
> > > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact
> me at
> > > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> >
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From Ninapax24 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:02:53 2000
From: Ninapax24 at aol.com (Ninapax24 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:02:53 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
Message-ID: <d2.af6515.25c236ad@aol.com>

 I have a question,which is a better deck of the two,
 the Nak RX-202 or the BX-300.thanks

 regards Ted 
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From RAKNAK57 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:07:01 2000
From: RAKNAK57 at aol.com (RAKNAK57 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:07:01 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
Message-ID: <dc.f95d37.25c237a5@aol.com>

Cr7a  does not  remember the tape counter  or   tape  length!!


Hope this  help
One  Happy  CR7A  owner!
Raks
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From Ninapax24 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:20:57 2000
From: Ninapax24 at aol.com (Ninapax24 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:20:57 EST
Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
Message-ID: <c9.6ed986.25c23ae9@aol.com>

 Sorry this is the ques.which is a better deck of the two,
 the Nak RX-202 or the Nakamichi CR-3. as far as 
 money deal.thanks

 regards Ted 
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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au  Fri Jan 28 01:30:55 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:30:55 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
In-Reply-To: <d2.af6515.25c236ad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200001280031.LAA13872@mail.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Ted,

	The BX-300 is a three head unit which gives you on the spot monitoring
of your recordings. The RX-202 is a two head unit and does not offer
this functions, however the RX-202 offers auto-reverse in a spectacular
way, It actually turns the tape over. The sound quality should be
approximately the same.

	Regards Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Ninapax24 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, 28 January 2000 11:03
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Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?


 I have a question,which is a better deck of the two,
 the Nak RX-202 or the BX-300.thanks

 regards Ted
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:34:38 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:34:38 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
Message-ID: <d2.aecd40.25c23e1e@aol.com>

the bx -300 is the better of the two, hands down!
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 01:51:46 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:51:46 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
Message-ID: <76.1530a4f.25c24222@aol.com>

I own both the 700 ZXL and the 1000ZXL LIMITED, and I have found the sound of 
both peices very good, but the 1000ZXL LIMITED is definitely better.  After I 
replaced my monster cable interconnects (interlink reference 2) with N. B. S. 
cables the differences between the two decks were more apparent.

    If people are looking to make modifications to their decks, first replace 
your cables, you may find this more effective and safer.

Scott Al-Najim
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Fri Jan 28 01:24:07 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:24:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
References: <c9.6ed986.25c23ae9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004c01bf6925$fdc7cf20$70bf8318@ce.mediaone.net>

Which one is better, RX-202 or CR3? This depends on your objective ...

Assuming both are in the same technical condition and I have a choice which
one to take ...

If you want to impress your friends with 'cool' - go with RX-202.

If the best possible sound is what you are after - go with CR-3.

If you want to make an investment, RX-202 may be a smarter choice.

Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ninapax24 at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:20 PM
Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?


> Sorry this is the ques.which is a better deck of the two,
>  the Nak RX-202 or the Nakamichi CR-3. as far as
>  money deal.thanks
>
>  regards Ted
>
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From stemcor at techno-link.com  Fri Jan 28 08:18:35 2000
From: stemcor at techno-link.com (stemcor)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:18:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon part
References: <76.1530a4f.25c24222@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005401bf695f$e4945840$df0024d4@infosysbank.com>

A friend of mine just bought a Dragon and unfortunately found out that the
auto-azimuth is not working at all, due to the "azimuth wire" being
completely absent. This seems to be a complicated piece of wire/cable, which
cannot be replaced by anything else but an original from Nakamichi. The part
No. is OC08237A. Any suggestions as to how it can be obtained from Europe,
ideally Germany ? Otherwise the machine works perfectly, both recording and
playback, only the auto-azimuth is not moving at all.

George

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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Jan 28 14:22:51 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:22:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
References: <01BF68D6.374DD140.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com> <3890C7D9.116C2348@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <004101bf6992$c7b91340$162f2ac4@coqui.net>

Speaking about manuals. They are for free in our Nakamichi community, but,
if you ask Nakamichi or any other manufacturer for an original manual it
wouldn't be for free, if they still have a copy, of course. Usually, Xerox
copies are for free.

Service Manuals is another story. You have to always buy it and are
expensive, that's it: if you find one !

Best,

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:


> Hi Aaron,
>
> I know of 2 people who tried selling a printed copy on ebay, fortunally
ebay stopped their auction!
> Ebay is getting more and more crazy every day, people pay unbeleavable
amounts of money for a piece of paper!
>
> I don't know exactly how to turn your scanned material into PDF, others
may be able to answer that question, but if you don't
> have access to PDF software but do have a scanner you can also send TIFF
images so someone else can turn those into PDF. I have
> a BX1 service manual waiting to be processed from TIFF into PDF.
>
> Wouter
>
>
> Aaron Taylor wrote:
>
> > Hi Wouter,
> >      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here
on NAKTALK. Please understand
> > that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
out there that are free. Under
> > no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take
for granted that them are people like
> > yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
should take advantage of getting
> > something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and
DONATE ourselves to help make this world
> > a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page
pamphlet on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> > area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
cannot believe that someone is trying to
> > take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> > ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
will prove valuable and will help build the library.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Aaron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:   Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > Exactly!
> > That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
> >
> > One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
off!
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > John,
> > >
> > >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > >
> > > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please
contact me at
> > > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > John
> > >
>
>
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From hofbroch at iconn.net  Fri Jan 28 15:13:31 2000
From: hofbroch at iconn.net (James P. Brochin)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:13:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #154
References: <200001281224.NAA15596@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <3891A40B.E90AE812@iconn.net>

Hi:

I apologize if I haven't been reading the Digest carefully enough, but are there any
manuals for the BX 300, the 550 or the 500 on line?

If so, how do I download them?

Thanks,

Jim

naktalk-digest wrote:

> naktalk-digest        Friday, January 28 2000        Volume 01 : Number 154
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:33:46 -0600
> From: Kirby Krause <minervo at execpc.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> Hi fellow fanatics.
> I picked up a 580 from the original owner with about 50 hours on it, looks like new.
> Got it in a package deal, I will sell it for $150 plus ship to a good home if anyone
> wants it.  Thanks.
> Kirby in Wi.
> ZX-7 and Revox 215
>
> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
>
> > Hello Aaron,
> >
> > i've just scan the Nakamichi dragon folder and i send it to Wouter. I don't
> > know if these folder is the same as the a 8 page pamphlet you mentioned?
> >
> > greetings
> >
> > Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Aaron Taylor <aaron_taylor at reyrey.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> >
> > > Hi Wouter,
> > >      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here on
> > NAKTALK. Please understand
> > > that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
> > out there that are free. Under
> > > no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take for
> > granted that them are people like
> > > yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
> > should take advantage of getting
> > > something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and DONATE
> > ourselves to help make this world
> > > a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page pamphlet
> > on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> > > area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
> > cannot believe that someone is trying to
> > > take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
> > this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> > > ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
> > will prove valuable and will help build the library.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > >
> > > Exactly!
> > > That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
> > >
> > > One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
> > off!
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please contact
> > me at
> > > > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > John
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:02:53 EST
> From: Ninapax24 at aol.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
>
>  I have a question,which is a better deck of the two,
>  the Nak RX-202 or the BX-300.thanks
>
>  regards Ted
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:07:01 EST
> From: RAKNAK57 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
>
> Cr7a  does not  remember the tape counter  or   tape  length!!
>
> Hope this  help
> One  Happy  CR7A  owner!
> Raks
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:20:57 EST
> From: Ninapax24 at aol.com
> Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
>
>  Sorry this is the ques.which is a better deck of the two,
>  the Nak RX-202 or the Nakamichi CR-3. as far as
>  money deal.thanks
>
>  regards Ted
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:30:55 +1100
> From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak question?
>
> Hi Ted,
>
>         The BX-300 is a three head unit which gives you on the spot monitoring
> of your recordings. The RX-202 is a two head unit and does not offer
> this functions, however the RX-202 offers auto-reverse in a spectacular
> way, It actually turns the tape over. The sound quality should be
> approximately the same.
>
>         Regards Tom.
>
> - -----Original Message-----
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> Ninapax24 at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, 28 January 2000 11:03
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> Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
>
>  I have a question,which is a better deck of the two,
>  the Nak RX-202 or the BX-300.thanks
>
>  regards Ted
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:34:38 EST
> From: Scalnajim at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak question?
>
> the bx -300 is the better of the two, hands down!
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:51:46 EST
> From: Scalnajim at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
> I own both the 700 ZXL and the 1000ZXL LIMITED, and I have found the sound of
> both peices very good, but the 1000ZXL LIMITED is definitely better.  After I
> replaced my monster cable interconnects (interlink reference 2) with N. B. S.
> cables the differences between the two decks were more apparent.
>
>     If people are looking to make modifications to their decks, first replace
> your cables, you may find this more effective and safer.
>
> Scott Al-Najim
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:24:07 -0600
> From: "Stan Targowski" <targowski at mediaone.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
>
> Which one is better, RX-202 or CR3? This depends on your objective ...
>
> Assuming both are in the same technical condition and I have a choice which
> one to take ...
>
> If you want to impress your friends with 'cool' - go with RX-202.
>
> If the best possible sound is what you are after - go with CR-3.
>
> If you want to make an investment, RX-202 may be a smarter choice.
>
> Stan
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> From: <Ninapax24 at aol.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:20 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] nak.ques.?
>
> > Sorry this is the ques.which is a better deck of the two,
> >  the Nak RX-202 or the Nakamichi CR-3. as far as
> >  money deal.thanks
> >
> >  regards Ted
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:18:35 +0200
> From: "stemcor" <stemcor at techno-link.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon part
>
> A friend of mine just bought a Dragon and unfortunately found out that the
> auto-azimuth is not working at all, due to the "azimuth wire" being
> completely absent. This seems to be a complicated piece of wire/cable, which
> cannot be replaced by anything else but an original from Nakamichi. The part
> No. is OC08237A. Any suggestions as to how it can be obtained from Europe,
> ideally Germany ? Otherwise the machine works perfectly, both recording and
> playback, only the auto-azimuth is not moving at all.
>
> George
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:22:51 -0500
> From: "Carlos" <copytec at coqui.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> Speaking about manuals. They are for free in our Nakamichi community, but,
> if you ask Nakamichi or any other manufacturer for an original manual it
> wouldn't be for free, if they still have a copy, of course. Usually, Xerox
> copies are for free.
>
> Service Manuals is another story. You have to always buy it and are
> expensive, that's it: if you find one !
>
> Best,
>
> Carlos
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
>
> > Hi Aaron,
> >
> > I know of 2 people who tried selling a printed copy on ebay, fortunally
> ebay stopped their auction!
> > Ebay is getting more and more crazy every day, people pay unbeleavable
> amounts of money for a piece of paper!
> >
> > I don't know exactly how to turn your scanned material into PDF, others
> may be able to answer that question, but if you don't
> > have access to PDF software but do have a scanner you can also send TIFF
> images so someone else can turn those into PDF. I have
> > a BX1 service manual waiting to be processed from TIFF into PDF.
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> >
> > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Wouter,
> > >      You have provided a great and invaluable service to all of us here
> on NAKTALK. Please understand
> > > that when I replied to John I only wanted him to know that there manuals
> out there that are free. Under
> > > no assumption that I wanted or to give the preception that people take
> for granted that them are people like
> > > yourself that gives themself to serve others and that we in the world
> should take advantage of getting
> > > something for nothing. Yes, we all in this world need to SHARE and
> DONATE ourselves to help make this world
> > > a better place for all. I will be doing my part. I have a 8 page
> pamphlet on the Dragon that I got FREE from an
> > > area Audio Store. I saw this same item on Ebay that sold for 40.00 . I
> cannot believe that someone is trying to
> > > take and capitalize on something that they had gotten FREE. I will scan
> this document so Wouter can add to his FTP site in
> > > ..pdf format.  Wouter can you give us information on how to do this. It
> will prove valuable and will help build the library.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:   Wouter Heijke [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl]
> > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:53 PM
> > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > >
> > > Exactly!
> > > That's why they are there to SHARE with each other, so DONATE!
> > >
> > > One thing: Don't sell (printed) copies of these manuals then you piss me
> off!
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > > Aaron Taylor wrote:
> > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > >       You can get it Free !!!  Why pay for information!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:   Jrdcesq at aol.com [SMTP:Jrdcesq at aol.com]
> > > > Sent:   Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:47 AM
> > > > To:     naktalk at naks.com
> > > > Subject:        Re: [naktalk] (New) manuals on ftp:
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in a Dragon manual.  How much are they?  Please
> contact me at
> > > > jrdcesq at aol.com.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> >
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From Gear119348 at aol.com  Fri Jan 28 15:20:05 2000
From: Gear119348 at aol.com (Gear119348 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:20:05 EST
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125
Message-ID: <a.aa56ee.25c2ff95@aol.com>

Hi Everyone
  I recently aquired a BX-125 for next to nothing at a local auction.  It 
works fine, however there is a rythmic creaking noise coming from behind the 
cassette well when it is in "play" mode.  If I take the cassette out and hit 
"play" the noise is not present.  It doesn't make any unusual noises when 
fast forwarding or rewinding either.   Any thoughts?  Did I buy somebody 
elses headache, or does this sound like a familiar problem for this beast?

Sincerely, Terry
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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Fri Jan 28 16:12:25 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:12:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125
In-Reply-To: <a.aa56ee.25c2ff95@aol.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJGELICBAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>


You are experiencing one of the biggest "OOPSES" that Nakamichi ever made.
It is the idler wheel, a rubber 'tire' of sorts that hardens and wears out
with age, typically every five years or so.  You can have the idler replaced
(cheap and can be done yourself if you are VERY careful, but make sure your
replacement idler is fresh rubber, not something that has been sitting in
some repair shop's drawer for five years) or you can take it to a Nak
authorized repair shop a have an upgrade in which they replace the wheel
with little cogs.  In my opinion, Nakamichi should have done a recall and
upgraded them for free, but we ain't so fortunate.  Expect to pay between
$100 - $150.


Roland (who has a BX-100 buried in a closet for the same reason.)

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From lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu  Fri Jan 28 16:23:39 2000
From: lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu (Lee Hasiuk)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:23:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE and NR100 for sale
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000128102339.01c69a50@pop-server>

I'm planning to sell my 700ZXE and NR100 Dolby C processor, which I
purchased new in 1982 (or was it 1983?) when I sold my Tandberg reel to
reel.  It hasn't seen much use over the years; I just never had the time to
do much taping.  My plan is to auction it on eBay, but I thought that I
would offer it people on the list, first, since you are more likely to give
it a good home.

I have all the original boxes, cables, manuals, warranty cards, even the
grey plastic bag zip lock bag which the manual came in.  I don't have the
original tapes that came with it, but I do have the cleaning kit and
adjustment screwdriver, and I'm still looking for my Nak demagnetizer,
which is around here somewhere.

Condition-wise, the unit looks brand new, but there are two small nicks in
the brushed alumninum front panel.  I'm in the process of getting some
digital photos posted in anticipation of the auction.  Everything works,
even the light bulbs (I replaced the burned out ones about 13 years ago
with new factory parts), and I made a tape yesterday and it still sounded
great after all these years.

Please e-mail me privately if you are interested.  I'll consider all
serious offers.  I don't think that I'll take less than $700, but who knows?

Lee Hasiuk
lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu

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From LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu  Fri Jan 28 17:36:23 2000
From: LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu (Lawrence Devoe)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:36:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
Message-ID: <s8917f4d.066@mail.mcg.edu>

My understanding is that there is a default position for these settings that the NAK goes to when powered on. Most tape recorders do not have this kind of memory unless they are digital domain and there is program option to do this.  

>>> ronami at yahoo.com 01/27/00 01:52PM >>>

My CR-7 seems to have faulty memory. Meaning:
when turned on, it does not remember the last
counter value and tape length. Can't find
anything about this in the manual. Is this a
weakness of the design, same as the lack of
ON/OFF function on the remote control? Is the
CR-7 supposed to remember counter value and
tape length after being switched off?

BTW, since the deck does remember tape type/equ
and monitoring source, I must conclude that the
battery and microprocessor are good.

Thanks for any comment,

-- Ron

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Jan 28 20:36:49 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:36:49 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
In-Reply-To: <76.1530a4f.25c24222@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001bf69c7$06259d40$4b21893e@a4s1s2>

I think this is excellent advice.  I would add also look at your power
supply - an X volt to X volt transformer is good.  This can do wonders for
the stability of the running motors which you hear in music such as
sustained piano notes.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Scalnajim at aol.com
> Sent: 28 January 2000 00:52
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
>
>
> I own both the 700 ZXL and the 1000ZXL LIMITED, and I have found
> the sound of
> both peices very good, but the 1000ZXL LIMITED is definitely
> better.  After I
> replaced my monster cable interconnects (interlink reference 2)
> with N. B. S.
> cables the differences between the two decks were more apparent.
>
>     If people are looking to make modifications to their decks,
> first replace
> your cables, you may find this more effective and safer.
>
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From hanuman at bdol.com  Fri Jan 28 20:40:01 2000
From: hanuman at bdol.com (hanuman)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:40:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] test
In-Reply-To: <20000104202448.25859.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <l03130301b4b7a0fa4e20@[140.186.35.6]>

test


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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Fri Jan 28 22:58:59 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:58:59 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Bias Control on Cassette Deck 2
Message-ID: <86256874.00780F43.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

While I am not proficient in Advanced Nakamachi, I enjoy being back on the
mailing list and reading all your comments.

I am still experimenting with dubbing prerecorded tapes with my Nakamachi
Cassette Deck 2 and my NAD Cassette Deck 602.  Of course, I record from the NAD
into the Nak.  Any advice out there on wiring up the two decks for optimal
dubbing ease?

And, for some reason, I can't download the Nak manuals you are offering.  How
would I use the Bias Control on the Nak to improve the dubbing?  I still get too
much bass response ( I am running the NAD through the amplifier, not directly
into the NAK).

I appreciate your observations, George



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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 23:51:07 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:51:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Question for CR-7 owners
Message-ID: <20000128225107.26108.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com>


Thanks for your -- and others' -- replies. Al
least, I know that my deck is not defective.

OTOH, I can't help but wonder what would compel
Nakamichi engineers to produce such a poor design.
The lack of these memory functions (counter value,
counter mode and tape length) is an honest to
goodness pain in the you know what...

Especially since the information is already
available inside the uP (microprocessor) and
it's battery backed up anyway. This uP contains
256 nibbles of RAM -- I can't imagin there wasn't
enough space for 4 or 5 additional nibbles, to
retain this information.

Oh, well... Nothing is perfect. Not even Nakamichi
decks...

-- Ron



--- Lawrence Devoe <LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu> wrote:
> My understanding is that there is a default position for
> these settings that the NAK goes to when powered on. Most
> tape recorders do not have this kind of memory unless
> they are digital domain and there is program option to do
> this.  
> 
> >>> ronami at yahoo.com 01/27/00 01:52PM >>>
> 
> My CR-7 seems to have faulty memory. Meaning:
> when turned on, it does not remember the last
> counter value and tape length. Can't find
> anything about this in the manual. Is this a
> weakness of the design, same as the lack of
> ON/OFF function on the remote control? Is the
> CR-7 supposed to remember counter value and
> tape length after being switched off?
> 
> BTW, since the deck does remember tape type/equ
> and monitoring source, I must conclude that the
> battery and microprocessor are good.
> 
> Thanks for any comment,
> 
> -- Ron
> 
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Jan 29 01:14:40 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:14:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505/Nak CyberSpot website
Message-ID: <IGEKBNHMGCOMAAAA@angelfire.com>

Anyone wanting to learn more at the Nak RX-505, have a look at the Nak CyberSpot website:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html

Please send comments to me directly at my email address.  Merci

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On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:04:37   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>Thanks for your comment, Roy!
>
>From what you can view, does that all come through clearly?  
>
>Yes, the site is being developed, not complete yet!  Look at the Nak CyberSpot in about two weeks, and you'll see all of the RX-505 brochure.
>
>I've got other important work to do, some on another site, but the Nak CyberSpot is an important project for me.  
>
>Have a good one!!!
>
>
>Kenny Parsons
>Madison, WI  USA
>
>---
>Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:33:31   Roy Svensson wrote:
>>Hello
>>Your site can be really good but it doesn't work so well just now.
>>Its impossible to look at all the RX 505 sides.
>>Best regards
>>
>>Roy Svensson
>>
>>
>>
>



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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan 29 06:51:12 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (jhughes)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:51:12 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Problems(?) with hard-wiring Nak input and outputs
References: <388B5226.2D43BC92@digizen.net> <388B85A3.79B09364@emall-online.com> <002301bf669c$b8ee0080$258c5f18@stny.rr.com> <388D566B.5563E30E@rjknet.net>
Message-ID: <38927FCF.41FF3239@ozemail.com.au>



Stephen Sank wrote:> If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
recommend that. <
Could you tell us why? Doing so on my Dragon impoved the sonics across the board and I
haven't had any problems as a result.

Hail Fellow Nakamaniacs

John H


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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sat Jan 29 06:57:39 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (jhughes)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:57:39 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Missing post - -- where is it ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ? 
Message-ID: <38928153.3E15CD2C@ozemail.com.au>

Hi Tony,
Your post re op-amps etc has not made an appearance on Nactalk.
I wonder if it has been censored or what ? I have been looking forward
to
what some of the duller US tecs would have to say in response.
You will know it has been posted when it returns to you.

regards,

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sat Jan 29 07:40:26 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:40:26 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Problems(?) with hard-wiring Nak input and outputs
References: <388B5226.2D43BC92@digizen.net> <388B85A3.79B09364@emall-online.com> <002301bf669c$b8ee0080$258c5f18@stny.rr.com> <388D566B.5563E30E@rjknet.net> <38927FCF.41FF3239@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <38928B5A.7AB53E4B@rjknet.net>

Several reasons.  First, I think it cosmetically looks terrible. 
Second, it eliminates the ability to try different cables as one
discovers or can afford better ones, or simply needs a different
length.  Third, most of the best cables available for interconnects are
thick &/or stiff & make routing inside the unit difficult, as well as
making servicing more difficult.  Honestly, though, mostly it just makes
me cringe from the cosmetic standpoint(reminds me of some crappy old
Fisher deck with attached cables) & Cardas GRFA jacks looks really
pretty on the back of a Nak.

jhughes wrote:
> 
> Stephen Sank wrote:> If you mean hardwiring input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> recommend that. <
> Could you tell us why? Doing so on my Dragon impoved the sonics across the board and I
> haven't had any problems as a result.
> 
> Hail Fellow Nakamaniacs
> 
> John H
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http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87110 ]
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 17:40:03 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 08:40:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Problems(?) with hard-wiring Nak input and outputs
Message-ID: <20000129164003.15155.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com>


In addition, I find it hard to believe it can make
a difference -- positive or otherwise. Would the
original poster expand on how and in what respect
it 'impoved the sonics across the board'? TIA.

-- A non-believer
 


--- Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net> wrote:
> Several reasons.  First, I think it cosmetically looks
> terrible. 
> Second, it eliminates the ability to try different cables
> as one
> discovers or can afford better ones, or simply needs a
> different
> length.  Third, most of the best cables available for
> interconnects are
> thick &/or stiff & make routing inside the unit
> difficult, as well as
> making servicing more difficult.  Honestly, though,
> mostly it just makes
> me cringe from the cosmetic standpoint(reminds me of some
> crappy old
> Fisher deck with attached cables) & Cardas GRFA jacks
> looks really
> pretty on the back of a Nak.
> 
> jhughes wrote:
> > 
> > Stephen Sank wrote:> If you mean hardwiring
> input/output cables, no I definitely don't
> > recommend that. <
> > Could you tell us why? Doing so on my Dragon impoved
> the sonics across the board and I
> > haven't had any problems as a result.
> > 
> > Hail Fellow Nakamaniacs
> > 
> > John H
> 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Jan 29 19:45:43 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:45:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Missing post - -- where is it ? ? ??? ? ? ??? ?
References: <38928153.3E15CD2C@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <38933557.A2121B27@xs4all.nl>

There is no censoring on this list!

Wouter

jhughes wrote:

> Hi Tony,
> Your post re op-amps etc has not made an appearance on Nactalk.
> I wonder if it has been censored or what ? I have been looking forward
> to
> what some of the duller US tecs would have to say in response.
> You will know it has been posted when it returns to you.
>
> regards,
>
> John H

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Jan 29 20:47:53 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:47:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Advert......
Message-ID: <PGOAJKAIMCOABAAA@angelfire.com>

Wouter - You'll find two .pdf files uploaded to the ftp://Naks/incoming site, that together makes the Nak RX-505 posterboard advert that was displayed at Nak dealers in the mid-1980's.  Please stitch these together to create a single .pdf graphic for others to access in the Nak library.

More to offer from my archive, full Nak RX-505/303, RX-202, & DR Series brochures.  I'm also holding some Nak Mobile brochure info that I can prepare if you want those. I'll inform you before I transfer the RX-505 brochure to your ftp site.

KJP

---
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>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:41:57 +0100
>From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: New manuals on the ftp server

>Here it is:  ftp://ftp.naks.com

>Wouter

                   


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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Jan 29 21:17:25 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:17:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505/Nak CyberSpot website
References: <IGEKBNHMGCOMAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <38934AD4.A653813B@xs4all.nl>

Great looking scans!

Keep up the good work!

Wouter

The BlueSwapper wrote:

> Anyone wanting to learn more at the Nak RX-505, have a look at the Nak CyberSpot website:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html
>
> Please send comments to me directly at my email address.  Merci
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:04:37   The BlueSwapper wrote:
> >Thanks for your comment, Roy!
> >
> >From what you can view, does that all come through clearly?
> >
> >Yes, the site is being developed, not complete yet!  Look at the Nak CyberSpot in about two weeks, and you'll see all of the RX-505 brochure.
> >
> >I've got other important work to do, some on another site, but the Nak CyberSpot is an important project for me.
> >
> >Have a good one!!!
> >
> >
> >Kenny Parsons
> >Madison, WI  USA
> >
> >---
> >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:33:31   Roy Svensson wrote:
> >>Hello
> >>Your site can be really good but it doesn't work so well just now.
> >>Its impossible to look at all the RX 505 sides.
> >>Best regards
> >>
> >>Roy Svensson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >

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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 30 00:00:18 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (jhughes)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:00:18 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Bullshit post to Nactalk
Message-ID: <38937102.77C0BEB3@ozemail.com.au>

Hi Tony,
Don't have a fit when, and if, you encounter the post below on Nactalk.
I'm bullshiting them as a stir just to see what kind of response I get.
The joy of the net is in this kind of pretense I suggest?

all the best ,
John H

>Well that should teach me not to open my big mouth
on such a contentious subject.
My origainla post  , I thought , listed the differencess
we all 'imagined' hearing.
If however you are a skeptic in such matters there is no
way I can convince you of the validity of my assertions.
You would have to play blind listening tests with two
identical Nacs , with and without the hard wiring.

John H

PS everything in my system is hard wired (with the exception
of cartridge pins) from source to speakers.
I have only made one change in years with the addition of a
Sony SCD-1 SACD player. and I'm happy to weild a soldering iron
any time I feel the desparate need to change anything.
I realize that this appraoch is anathema to those who love playing at
home hi'fi reviewer.
It has the additional tested advantage of detering theft.<


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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 30 00:05:45 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (jhughes)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:05:45 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Blind listening proof and other considerations
References: <20000129164003.15155.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <38937248.1B6C8028@ozemail.com.au>



Well that should teach me not to open my big mouth
on such a contentious subject.
My origainla post  , I thought , listed the differencess
we all 'imagined' hearing.
If however you are a skeptic in such matters there is no
way I can convince you of the validity of my assertions.
You would have to play blind listening tests with two
identical Nacs , with and without the hard wiring.
Everything in my system is hard wired (with the exception
of cartridge pins) from source to speakers.
I have only made one change in years with the addition of a
Sony SCD-1 SACD player. and I'm happy to weild a soldering iron
any time I feel the desparate need for change .
I realize that this appraoch is anathema to those who love playing at
home hi'fi reviewer.
It has the additional tested advantage of detering theft.

John H



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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Jan 30 02:52:03 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:52:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505/Nak CyberSpot website
References: <IGEKBNHMGCOMAAAA@angelfire.com> <38934AD4.A653813B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <003101bf6ac4$9df9eec0$a8302ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Blues:

Great scanning ! Looks beautiful. If only I could scan my 1000 and 700 ZXL !

Keep up the good work !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX-505/Nak CyberSpot website


> Great looking scans!
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Wouter
>
> The BlueSwapper wrote:
>
> > Anyone wanting to learn more at the Nak RX-505, have a look at the Nak
CyberSpot website:
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html
> >
> > Please send comments to me directly at my email address.  Merci
> >
> > ---
> > Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:04:37   The BlueSwapper wrote:
> > >Thanks for your comment, Roy!
> > >
> > >From what you can view, does that all come through clearly?
> > >
> > >Yes, the site is being developed, not complete yet!  Look at the Nak
CyberSpot in about two weeks, and you'll see all of the RX-505 brochure.
> > >
> > >I've got other important work to do, some on another site, but the Nak
CyberSpot is an important project for me.
> > >
> > >Have a good one!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >Kenny Parsons
> > >Madison, WI  USA
> > >
> > >---
> > >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:33:31   Roy Svensson wrote:
> > >>Hello
> > >>Your site can be really good but it doesn't work so well just now.
> > >>Its impossible to look at all the RX 505 sides.
> > >>Best regards
> > >>
> > >>Roy Svensson
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
>
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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Sun Jan 30 01:42:01 2000
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:42:01 +1100
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:42:14 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Decks Analysis
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jan 31 13:42:32 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:42:32 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <38937248.1B6C8028@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000131134232.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

maybe a strange question but: 
Is any Dragon a 'real' Dragon? 

I ask because they sell a supposedly *new* Dragon on the German eBay. I
asked them about the "new" and they told me, that these (plural yes)
machines have been listed at a German distributer until 1997. They bought
all of them, checked the completeness and these machines didn't run one
minute. 

So it seems these are the last built Dragons. Are these the same as the
older ones? better? worse? My question on the year of construction was
not (yet?) answered so I can only guess that these are quite recent ones.

Oh yes.... they want 2500DM (times 1/2 for dollars right now).


Karl-Heinz

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jan 31 14:03:38 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:03:38 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] DeMagging 
In-Reply-To: <s871b8ea.029@mail.mcg.edu>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000131140338.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

during my holiday I missed out on the DeMagging thread and just catched
up on most of it I hope. One questions remains:
Is there a real difference between good (DM-10) and cheap Demaggers?

I know that the cheap one I bought some years ago is mainly a big coil
running at 50Hz from the 220V Powersupply. Are there ones with
other/higher frequency? 

I wondering a bit: A head easily capable of 20kHz will be demagetized by
50Hz because the metal can't follow the fast changing magnetic field and
will finally stay in an unmagnetized state? Not that I ever heard *any*
pre/after demag difference..... 
And I usually try to demag every metal part in the tape path: heads,
Capstan-drives, metal guides,.... And yes I leave all spots quite slowly. 


happy Naking,

K.-H.

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 31 15:46:11 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:46:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] DeMagging 
Message-ID: <20000131144611.13199.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com>


--- Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> during my holiday I missed out on the DeMagging thread
> and just catched up on most of it I hope. One questions
> remains: Is there a real difference between good (DM-10)
> and cheap Demaggers?

If you compare the DM-10 to the far cheaper but very
similar Radio Shack demagnetizer, I think the answer is 
'NO'.

> I know that the cheap one I bought some years ago
> is mainly a big coil running at 50Hz from the 220V
> Powersupply. Are there ones with other/higher
> frequency?

Yes. I believe the one that looks like a cassette
contains an osscilator and runs at a higher frequency.
To be honest, I don't know what advantage this offers.

> I wondering a bit: A head easily capable of 20kHz
> will be demagetized by 50Hz because the metal can't
> follow the fast changing magnetic field and will
> finally stay in an unmagnetized state?

Not really. The heads *will* follow the manetic field
applied by the demagnetizer. However, if that magnetic
field were reduced from a high level to zero, the head
would remain magnetized, due to hysteresis. By reducing
the magnetic field gradually, over many cycles of the
alternating field, the head magnetization ends up very
close to zero.

The frequency of the magnetic field is immaterial,
as long as it diminishes very slowly, over a large
number of cycles. If the wand is withdrawn for, say,
5 seconds, the 50Hz field will have 250 cycles over
which to disappeart. I think this should be more than
enough to do the job. If the frequency was, say, 5KHz,
you could withdraw the wand as fast as you please and
still get good demagnetization. 

> Not that I ever heard *any* pre/after demag
> difference.....

If you did, it would be too late... A magnetized head
will partially erase tapes; particularly, the higher
frequencies. The idea is to demag *before* this happens. 

> And I usually try to demag every metal part in the
> tape path: heads, Capstan-drives, metal guides,....
> And yes I leave all spots quite slowly.

I think this is the correct way to demag.

-- Ron
 
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From dupont at digizen.net  Sat Jan 29 10:28:45 2000
From: dupont at digizen.net (George and Barbara Dupont)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:28:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
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From jle at lig.di.epfl.ch  Mon Jan 31 17:53:20 2000
From: jle at lig.di.epfl.ch (jle)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:53:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
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Hello,

I have the following question:

any chance one of those ZX-9 would be compatibled with ~220V power as
in most parts of Europe?

Thank you


-Joaquim


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> Subject: FS:Nakamichi decks
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:17:24 -0500
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> TO ALL NAKAMICHI LOVERS,
> 
>  I obtained all the Nakamichi ZX-9 s from Nakamichi's recording studio
>  in California.  They were sent to me by the President of Nakamichi
>  with the intent to be overhauled and sold to Nakamichi enthusiasts.
> 
>  They have been overhauled and are in excellent to mint condition!
>  They come boxed with a copy of the owner's manual and
>  a 1 YEAR WARRANTY,  just like when they were new !!
>  The cost is  $1000 plus S & H.
> 
>  If you know Nakamichi cassette decks,
>  you know why Nakamichi used the ZX-9 s in THEIR recording studio.
> 
>  Other models and parts also available.
>  We also have the BX/MR idler tires and gear reel drive mod kits !
> 
>  I have been doing Nakamichi Authorized Service for over 25 years.
>  For a reference contact parts at nakamichi.com .
> 
>  Feel free to call me at 860.529.3700.  M-F 8AM to 6PM  EST.(-5 GMT)
>  www.eslabs.com   or  eslabs at prodigy.net
> 
>  Sincerely,
>  Jeffrey Galin
> 
>  Nakamichi Serviced Here
>  ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
>  1807 Berlin Turnpike
>  Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA

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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Mon Jan 31 18:34:09 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:34:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <001701bf6c11$666c9860$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>

Hi!

If you buy an transformer (220 <-> 110 in both directions, up to 500 watts)
from RS-Components, this will work fine. I by myself use such athing with my
overseas NAKS without any problem and much cheaper than upgrading with an
original Nak-part (about 60 SFr)

If you want more information please feel fre to conatct me directly

Greetings

Wolfgang

( w.smetanig at chello.at )

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Jan 31 19:27:56 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:27:56 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?
References: <XFMail.000131134232.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <3895D42C.EE7B809A@rjknet.net>

The Dragon had no significant changes in construction or electronics
during it's entire production life, which ended in 1994, as far as I
know.  I would be somewhat suspicious of this deal, though, so I would
recommend extreme caution & a professional examination of the deck as
soon as you get it.

Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> maybe a strange question but:
> Is any Dragon a 'real' Dragon?
> 
> I ask because they sell a supposedly *new* Dragon on the German eBay. I
> asked them about the "new" and they told me, that these (plural yes)
> machines have been listed at a German distributer until 1997. They bought
> all of them, checked the completeness and these machines didn't run one
> minute.
> 
> So it seems these are the last built Dragons. Are these the same as the
> older ones? better? worse? My question on the year of construction was
> not (yet?) answered so I can only guess that these are quite recent ones.
> 
> Oh yes.... they want 2500DM (times 1/2 for dollars right now).
> 
> Karl-Heinz
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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> Date: 31-Jan-00      Time: 13:36:32
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Jan 31 19:41:36 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:41:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <3892B2CD.DD14990@digizen.net> <3895BE00.89862AC9@lig.di.epfl.ch>
Message-ID: <3895D760.6B1F1A17@rjknet.net>

No.  The ZX-9 was produced with destination-specific power transformers,
so you would have to replace it or use a step-down.

jle wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have the following question:
> 
> any chance one of those ZX-9 would be compatibled with ~220V power as
> in most parts of Europe?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> -Joaquim
> 
> George and Barbara Dupont wrote:
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject: FS:Nakamichi decks
> > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:17:24 -0500
> > From: "Jeffrey Galin" <jgalin at eslabs.com>
> > Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com
> > Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace,rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.pro
> >
> > TO ALL NAKAMICHI LOVERS,
> >
> >  I obtained all the Nakamichi ZX-9 s from Nakamichi's recording studio
> >  in California.  They were sent to me by the President of Nakamichi
> >  with the intent to be overhauled and sold to Nakamichi enthusiasts.
> >
> >  They have been overhauled and are in excellent to mint condition!
> >  They come boxed with a copy of the owner's manual and
> >  a 1 YEAR WARRANTY,  just like when they were new !!
> >  The cost is  $1000 plus S & H.
> >
> >  If you know Nakamichi cassette decks,
> >  you know why Nakamichi used the ZX-9 s in THEIR recording studio.
> >
> >  Other models and parts also available.
> >  We also have the BX/MR idler tires and gear reel drive mod kits !
> >
> >  I have been doing Nakamichi Authorized Service for over 25 years.
> >  For a reference contact parts at nakamichi.com .
> >
> >  Feel free to call me at 860.529.3700.  M-F 8AM to 6PM  EST.(-5 GMT)
> >  www.eslabs.com   or  eslabs at prodigy.net
> >
> >  Sincerely,
> >  Jeffrey Galin
> >
> >  Nakamichi Serviced Here
> >  ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> >  1807 Berlin Turnpike
> >  Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> 
> --
> _____________________________________________________________
> 
> Joaquim L. Esmerado             EPFL - Computer Graphics Lab
>                                 EPFL-DI-LIG 1015 Lausanne,CH
> Email: jle at lig.di.epfl.ch       Tel.(office):+41-21-693 5247
> Tel.(Lab):+41-21-693 5248       Fax :  +41 21 693 5328
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jan 31 20:00:58 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:00:58 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?
In-Reply-To: <3895D42C.EE7B809A@rjknet.net>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000131200058.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 31-Jan-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
> The Dragon had no significant changes in construction or electronics
> during it's entire production life, which ended in 1994, as far as I
> know.  I would be somewhat suspicious of this deal, though, so I would
> recommend extreme caution & a professional examination of the deck as
> soon as you get it.

Hmm... yes. I'm still somewhat suspicious. Especially there are used
Dragons for 1400DM right now on eBay. It's 1100DM more for the *new*. 
(2 DM = 1$).

I wouldn't know how I could get a professional examination here in
Germany. I'm not afraid to have a look myself. Could I look for obvious
parts for usage? The interesting parts would of course be the mechanics
and the head....
How well will the electronics age? Eletrolyte-Condensers the obvious
problem makers. If this is really a unused shelf warmer for *years* --how
well does it keep sitting on a shelf since 5 or 6 years?

Would it be possible to tell a new one from a used one in some few days? 
At least I can check the recording quality of course, but then: I don't
know how a Dragon is supposed to sound. I know the RX-505 so and
can compare them.

I'm especially suspicious because they still didn't answer the year of
contruction question. Where could they find that? Somewhere on the back? 
Some number with hidden month and year maybe?


Thanks for your answer,

Karl-Heinz



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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Mon Jan 31 20:13:48 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:13:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: (Puff the Magic) Dragon.....
Message-ID: <IHFHCJDPEGMBAAAA@angelfire.com>

Beware of dragons that are said to be created after the last known official Nak production date (1993???).  Lots of fraud occurring on the internet auction sites currently, and we don't want our bretheren suffering from malicious sellers offering bogus goods!

Mr Blues

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~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:42:47   naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>naktalk-digest        Monday, January 31 2000        Volume 01 : Number 158
>
>
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:42:32 +0100 (MET)
>From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>Subject: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?
>
>Hi,
>
>maybe a strange question but: 
>Is any Dragon a 'real' Dragon? 
>
>I ask because they sell a supposedly *new* Dragon on the German eBay. I
>asked them about the "new" and they told me, that these (plural yes)
>machines have been listed at a German distributer until 1997. They bought
>all of them, checked the completeness and these machines didn't run one
>minute. 
>
>So it seems these are the last built Dragons. Are these the same as the
>older ones? better? worse? My question on the year of construction was
>not (yet?) answered so I can only guess that these are quite recent ones.
>
>Oh yes.... they want 2500DM (times 1/2 for dollars right now).
>
>
>Karl-Heinz
>

>
>End of naktalk-digest V1 #158
>*****************************
>
>


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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jan 31 22:36:52 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:36:52 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: (Puff the Magic) Dragon.....
In-Reply-To: <IHFHCJDPEGMBAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000131223652.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 31-Jan-00 The BlueSwapper wrote:
> Beware of dragons that are said to be created after the last known
> official Nak production date (1993???).  Lots of fraud occurring on the
> internet auction sites currently, and we don't want our bretheren
> suffering from malicious sellers offering bogus goods!
> 

Hmm.... they just say it's new and that they bought the last ones from a
German distributor in 1997. When they are built I still don't know....
am waiting for their answer.

K.-H.


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From GeoffWard at nvision1.com  Mon Jan  3 22:31:49 2000
From: GeoffWard at nvision1.com (Geoff Ward)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:31:49 -0800 
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizing....
Message-ID: <329AA4E7412ED111B30D00A024CDD94780F80E@yosemite-E0.foothill.net>

Have been reading the discussion on demagnetizing with interest. A lesson I
learned the "hard-way"...my wife and I live off-grid 
In a solar powered home...the modified sine wave (really a square wave) from
our 12VDC > 120VAC inverter is not demagnetizer friendly! My poor BX-150
became an expensive tool to fetch lost nails! Using the "sine wave" output
from our generator fixed the problem. My demagnetizer is the Radio Shack
model, I purchased it almost 15 years ago when I bought the BX-150!

Cheers,

Geoff Ward

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jan  4 04:47:13 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:47:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL /Carlos Copytec
References: <0.a960b8d4.25a23acc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007901bf5666$6346cae0$e12f2ac4@coqui.net>

Don't worry. You will very soon !

Carlos

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Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL /Carlos Copytec


> Carlos:
> I still have not received my manual.
> JP
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From PLAlbrecht at aol.com  Tue Jan  4 04:42:16 2000
From: PLAlbrecht at aol.com (PLAlbrecht at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:42:16 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Fixing LX-3 deck
Message-ID: <0.4506f5d5.25a2c618@aol.com>

I'm having trouble with my Nak LX-3 cassette deck. (actually I've hauled the 
480 out of mothballs for the time being...)

The problems are the familiar groaning noise when you shut off a tape (I 
gather there is an update kit with some rollers that takes care of that) but 
most important, when the "play" button is engaged it "tries" to start the 
tape but nothing happens. Sometimes, rarely, it used to start after several 
tries, but that has been getting less and less frequent until finally it 
seems to have given up entirely.

Any thoughts on what is causing this? Is it a maintenance thing I can take 
care of myself (I thought not... but had to ask)? Can anybody recommend shops 
in the LA area or western U.S.? (I found Champlain Valley Speaker on Naks.com 
and have already sent a query to them.) 

Thanks in advance,

Pete
Costa Mesa, CA
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From TRANSPLATA at aol.com  Tue Jan  4 05:42:23 2000
From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:42:23 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Fixing LX-3 deck
Message-ID: <0.a17f735a.25a2d42f@aol.com>

Don't waste your time just send it to Steven at Champlain. I just had 2 
700ZXL's  serviced at his facility after being burned in Torrance !!
Regards,
Jean-Pierre
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Jan  4 09:10:34 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:40:34 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Power supply
Message-ID: <3871AAFA.14475BAA@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

My BX 300 power supply ( Using opamp and power transistor based dual
power supply +_ 12 V
heating up - the regulating power transistors is quite hot and I suspect
Oscillation. Any suggestion which component is the cause - is Opamp 4558
the cause ? I do not have the service manual
- all circuits perform including recording properly. I changed the power
transistor and found no cure - I keep the chassis open and added
additional heatsink to keep the transistor cool. I found no noise or any
other problem except when play with tape ( or record with the tape)
causes more current to flow thru the Circuit and more heating up. Input
to the regulator is + 17 volts on the positive side and -21 on the
negative side . I changed the Diode bridge but seems positive side is
having more drop thru the Diode bridge while Transformer supplies equal
voltage about 16 -17 V AC to this circuit Output is +11.86 / -11.8 or so
showing regulation is OK
Can anybody faced similar problems? Any suggestions
Kannan  (Bangalore - India)
email      kannan_s at vsnl.com

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From stephen_sank at emall-online.com  Tue Jan  4 09:38:19 2000
From: stephen_sank at emall-online.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:38:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Power supply
References: <3871AAFA.14475BAA@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <3871B17B.EA9E7A4F@emall-online.com>

This is not a problem I have specifically seen before, so I can only
make an educated guess.  I would first suspect a leaky electrolytic
capacitor on probably the +12v line, but there are likely to be more
than a few such caps on the line, so one would have to disconnect each
in turn to see you can get the input voltage of the regulator circuit to
come up to 21v.  I am at home & don't have the schematic in front of me,
so I can't be more helpful at the moment, but if you will email me
during US daylight hours, I can refer to it for my next reply, as well
as scan the diagram & email it if I have time.  Just one question:  The
regulators do normally run pretty close to darn hot.  Had you noticed an
increase in heat at some point?  Normal is about hot enough so that you
can't keep your finger on the metal behind each device more than five
seconds or so without pain.

Kannan S wrote:
> 
> My BX 300 power supply ( Using opamp and power transistor based dual
> power supply +_ 12 V
> heating up - the regulating power transistors is quite hot and I suspect
> Oscillation. Any suggestion which component is the cause - is Opamp 4558
> the cause ? I do not have the service manual
> - all circuits perform including recording properly. I changed the power
> transistor and found no cure - I keep the chassis open and added
> additional heatsink to keep the transistor cool. I found no noise or any
> other problem except when play with tape ( or record with the tape)
> causes more current to flow thru the Circuit and more heating up. Input
> to the regulator is + 17 volts on the positive side and -21 on the
> negative side . I changed the Diode bridge but seems positive side is
> having more drop thru the Diode bridge while Transformer supplies equal
> voltage about 16 -17 V AC to this circuit Output is +11.86 / -11.8 or so
> showing regulation is OK
> Can anybody faced similar problems? Any suggestions
> Kannan  (Bangalore - India)
> email      kannan_s at vsnl.com
> 
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Jan  4 15:01:20 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:31:20 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Power supply
References: <3871AAFA.14475BAA@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> <3871B17B.EA9E7A4F@emall-online.com>
Message-ID: <3871FD2F.42DAC9F3@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Dear Stephen
Thanks a lot and let me try few more trials and get back on this. However if you can send
me the scanned copy of power supply portion it would be helpful. Actually the power
supply rail + side goes up to 21 V on switch on or stop mode but goes down as the motors
take up load ( both reel take up as well as Capstan drive - checked by voltage drop
across the resistors bfore supply circuit. The voltage after diode bridge itself drops
and diode bridge positive side gets hot. Using an anolog mutimeter across DC side after
main Electrolyte shows AC voltage - this method I have tried for my Linselyhood cassette
deck( wireless world 1976 Circuit !) bias Oscillator checking - so I suspect Oscillation
- which might draw current across the transistor. ( Oscillation can be due to bad carbon
resistors or leaky Powersupply bypass caps. )

When the deck is in stop mode or fast forward / reverse mode - heat is less, but play /
record with cassette tape loaded causes both motor current to increase and the
transistors as well as diode bridge to heatup - the heat reaches ( if the cover is
closed) to near burning level but the deck works for hours with some extra Aluminium
plate heatsink!. However I suspect this would cause damage to power transistors in the
long run if Oscillation is present. So I use the deck with cover removed or my other CR3
Deck instead - We all tend to have two or more Naks ! But your statement that the
heatsink runs hot normally in BX300 is quite soothing but CR3 heatsink is not that hot -
it uses 7812/ 7912 Voltage regulators and supply side is around 21 Volts or so.

Let me try to replace the main Electrolytic capacitor or try every electrolytics during
this week end.
Kannan

Stephen Sank wrote:

> This is not a problem I have specifically seen before, so I can only
> make an educated guess.  I would first suspect a leaky electrolytic
> capacitor on probably the +12v line, but there are likely to be more
> than a few such caps on the line, so one would have to disconnect each
> in turn to see you can get the input voltage of the regulator circuit to
> come up to 21v.  I am at home & don't have the schematic in front of me,
> so I can't be more helpful at the moment, but if you will email me
> during US daylight hours, I can refer to it for my next reply, as well
> as scan the diagram & email it if I have time.  Just one question:  The
> regulators do normally run pretty close to darn hot.  Had you noticed an
> increase in heat at some point?  Normal is about hot enough so that you
> can't keep your finger on the metal behind each device more than five
> seconds or so without pain.
>
> Kannan S wrote:
> >
> > My BX 300 power supply ( Using opamp and power transistor based dual
> > power supply +_ 12 V
> > heating up - the regulating power transistors is quite hot and I suspect
> > Oscillation. Any suggestion which component is the cause - is Opamp 4558
> > the cause ? I do not have the service manual
> > - all circuits perform including recording properly. I changed the power
> > transistor and found no cure - I keep the chassis open and added
> > additional heatsink to keep the transistor cool. I found no noise or any
> > other problem except when play with tape ( or record with the tape)
> > causes more current to flow thru the Circuit and more heating up. Input
> > to the regulator is + 17 volts on the positive side and -21 on the
> > negative side . I changed the Diode bridge but seems positive side is
> > having more drop thru the Diode bridge while Transformer supplies equal
> > voltage about 16 -17 V AC to this circuit Output is +11.86 / -11.8 or so
> > showing regulation is OK
> > Can anybody faced similar problems? Any suggestions
> > Kannan  (Bangalore - India)
> > email      kannan_s at vsnl.com
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From LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu  Tue Jan  4 15:09:12 2000
From: LDEVOE at mail.mcg.edu (Lawrence Devoe)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:09:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: DeMagging Methodologies...
Message-ID: <s871b8ea.029@mail.mcg.edu>

I use the demagnetizing cassette by Interclean (who also make proprietary cleaning cassettes).  I am not sure these are still available but they are reliable and work. 

>>> "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com> 01/01/00 11:55AM >>>
Holiday Greetings!

I finally have a DM-10 in my hands, and I'm looking at the single sheet instructions in the package from Nakamichi - Kind of a bringdown reading the 5 step process to demag record/playback heads.  I'm wondering if its appropriate to use the unit to demag other metallic parts in the cassette transport system?  Anything one should not demag??  

What procedure do you other NakTalkers follow when you whip out your magic wands to demag your treasured Nak decks??

Kenny Parsons
Madison, WI  USA

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On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:54:47   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>Let's have a discussion on demagging (demagnetzing) the tape transport mechanisms on Nak decks. I'm about to get a used DM-10 (in my xmas stocking over the fireplace), and I'd like to know the inside scoop on what should/shouldn't be demagged on my little black beauties.  In the past, I've used those TDK and DiscWasher brand demag cassettes, with reasonable results - Mercy dear purists, I've seen the light now! <gr>.  Kindly, would the experts out in NakTalk land share their insights with us up-and-coming users. 
>
>Thanks!!!
>
>Mr Blues
>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Jan  4 20:17:30 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:17:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com>

Followup comments..........


>
>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:30:16 -0800 (PST)
>From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
>
>I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
>I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
>Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
>like BlueSwapper's DM-10.
>
>I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
>by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
>1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
>demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
>brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
>incorporates some means for slowing down the
>magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
>(I know mine doesn't.)

Exactly what my first reaction was after reading the Nak instructions!  That didn't read correctly to me, "touching the wand probe to a head, then turning the wand on...".  
Dangerous!!!

>
>Without such slow down, there is a chance the
>head will receive a healthy jolt of a
>unidirectional magnetic field as the
>demagnetizer is switched on. This will
>*magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
>then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
>the point of doing things in the order
>recommended by Nakamichi.

Seems to be a matter of technique, but it may to be a blunderous mis-print.  You would think that the astute Nak engineers would clearly state that one should turn-off/un-plug a Nak deck before doing any demagging.  This perplexes me, as does the simplified instructions to demagnetize $1,000+ cassette decks!  Bizarre oversight by Nakamichi, in my opinion.....


>
>Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
>metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
>an overkill (why would anything except the
>play head become magnetized in the first
>place?), but doing it takes less time than
>justifying it...
>
>- -- Ron
>
>
>- --- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
>> Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
>> information that needs to be more clearly understood,
>> compiled, and documented for user reference.  
>> 
>> Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
>> they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
>> hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
>> with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
>> cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
>> for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
>> official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
>> Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
>> 
>> The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
>> with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
>> is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
>> time to time.
>> 
>> 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
>> running tape makes contact.
>> 
>> 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
>> 
>> 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
>> 
>> 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
>> 
>> 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
>> from the head.
>> 
>> Nakamichi Corporation
>> Research Development & Manufacturing
>> Copyright 1985
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
>> correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
>> gear informational webpage:
>> 
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
>> 
>> I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
>> fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
>> future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  
>> 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Kenny Parsons
>> Madison, WI  USA
>> 
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>End of naktalk-digest V1 #127
>*****************************
>
>


Well, I believe that there should be a demag FAQ page created that identifies some of the intricacies of demagnetizing cassette decks.  I'm going to attempt to do that sometime soon.

KJP

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Jan  4 20:17:30 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:17:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com>

Followup comments..........


>
>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 07:30:16 -0800 (PST)
>From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagging Methodologies
>
>I suppose I should be ashamed to admit it, but
>I still have the demagnetizer I bought at radio
>Shack a good 25 years ago. It looks very much
>like BlueSwapper's DM-10.
>
>I only mention this, because I am puzzled a bit
>by Nakamichi's instructions. Seems to me, steps
>1 and 2 should be reversed (meaning, the
>demagnetizer should be turned on first, then
>brought closer to the head), unless the DM-10
>incorporates some means for slowing down the
>magnetic field buildup, which I kinda doubt.
>(I know mine doesn't.)

Exactly what my first reaction was after reading the Nak instructions!  That didn't read correctly to me, "touching the wand probe to a head, then turning the wand on...".  
Dangerous!!!

>
>Without such slow down, there is a chance the
>head will receive a healthy jolt of a
>unidirectional magnetic field as the
>demagnetizer is switched on. This will
>*magnetize* the head. It's true that it will
>then be demagnetized, but I still do not see
>the point of doing things in the order
>recommended by Nakamichi.

Seems to be a matter of technique, but it may to be a blunderous mis-print.  You would think that the astute Nak engineers would clearly state that one should turn-off/un-plug a Nak deck before doing any demagging.  This perplexes me, as does the simplified instructions to demagnetize $1,000+ cassette decks!  Bizarre oversight by Nakamichi, in my opinion.....


>
>Another minor point -- I do demagnetize all
>metal parts around the tape path. Probably,
>an overkill (why would anything except the
>play head become magnetized in the first
>place?), but doing it takes less time than
>justifying it...
>
>- -- Ron
>
>
>- --- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
>> Thanks to you all for the advice!  This is exactly the
>> information that needs to be more clearly understood,
>> compiled, and documented for user reference.  
>> 
>> Why do I doubt the basic Nak instructions? Simply because
>> they lack any detailed guidance on how to wield the
>> hand-held wand, what you should and should not be doing
>> with the unit. If you were looking at that little 12 x 18
>> cm paper sheet, you'd most likely be asking your peers
>> for advice also!   As Rudy suggests, I will post the
>> official Nakamichi instructions for using the DM-10 Head
>> Demagnetizer.  Here they are (all 85 words worth):
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> HOW TO USE THIS DEMAGNETIZER
>> 
>> The record and playback heads become gradually magnetized
>> with use and tend to add noise to reporduced sound.  It
>> is, therefore, advisable to demagnetize the heads from
>> time to time.
>> 
>> 1) Put the tip of the demagnetizer on the spot where a
>> running tape makes contact.
>> 
>> 2) Turn the power switch of the demagnetizer on.
>> 
>> 3) Move the tip slowly upward as shown by an arrow mark.
>> 
>> 4) Take back the tip from a head slowly.
>> 
>> 5) Turn the switch off after the tip is completely apart
>> from the head.
>> 
>> Nakamichi Corporation
>> Research Development & Manufacturing
>> Copyright 1985
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> If you want to view the step-by-step diagrams that
>> correspond to these instructions, have a peek at my Nak
>> gear informational webpage:
>> 
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
>> 
>> I will also aggregate and post some of the advice you
>> fellows have offered, for others to benefit from in the
>> future.  I'll contact you directly about that soon.  
>> 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Kenny Parsons
>> Madison, WI  USA
>> 
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>End of naktalk-digest V1 #127
>*****************************
>
>


Well, I believe that there should be a demag FAQ page created that identifies some of the intricacies of demagnetizing cassette decks.  I'm going to attempt to do that sometime soon.

KJP

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jan  4 20:51:16 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 20:51:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
Message-ID: <38724F34.53420D0@xs4all.nl>

Hi Everyone,

Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!

It's been some time since I asked members of the list so I'll give it a
try so any new members may be able to help.

The naks.com site has a FTP server with some (service) documentation in
PDF format for those who don't know the URL of thist:
    ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/

If you can help contributing to this collection please let me know. Any
scanned service manual, brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
where people pay rediculous prices for these days on ebay is welcome!
I'm also seeking for pricing and production years information for the TD
series. Official Nak price lists or a copy of the Orion Blue book
(mobile or car edition, don't know the exact name) are also welcome.

Thanks for the help,

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 21:24:48 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:24:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Manuals, Blue book and FTP
Message-ID: <20000104202448.25859.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>


--- Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Let's start by wishing you all a Nakky 2000!
> 
> It's been some time since I asked members of the
> list so I'll give it a try so any new members may
> be able to help.
> 
> The naks.com site has a FTP server with some
> (service) documentation in PDF format for those
> who don't know the URL of this:
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
> 
> If you can help contributing to this collection
> please let me know. Any scanned service manual,
> brochure, price list or other rare Nak documents
> where people pay rediculous prices for these days
> on ebay is welcome!
> [...]

I have the service manual for the 700 (my 1st
Nakamichi deck), schematic for the 582 (my 2nd)
and a copy of the service manual for the CR7a
(my 3rd/current/last-cassette-deck-ever).

The service manuals are bulky, with far too
many schmatic and circuit layout foldout
pages -- impractical for me to scan. However,
I am quite willing to look them up and supply
info to others, or maybe even to scan a page
or two.

-- Ron

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From captain at bestweb.net  Tue Jan  4 21:18:37 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 20:18:37 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3872559D.7DB9@bestweb.net>

Nakfans,
     I've been using the battery-powered TDK HD-11 demagnetizer for over
fifteen years.  I'm not sure if it's still being manufactured, but it's
definitely worth looking for, either used OR new.  It's ease of use is
what I really love about it:  You push the on/off switch and a red LED
lights up.  Then, a few seconds later, a green LED right next to it
lights up, letting you know the unit is charged up and ready to use. 
You place the plastic-covered yoke against the object to be demagnetized
and push a button that fires the baby up.  DONE.  It's that simple.  You
wait a few seconds for the unit to power up again:  When the green LED
relights, your'e ready to move to the next head, capstan, etc.  I demag
everything--heads AND metal parts.  I feel it's wise to demag anything
in the transport chamber capable of being magnetized.  Better safe than
sorry...

                                 Tom
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From enoyes at snet.net  Wed Jan  5 06:37:16 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:37:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com> <3872559D.7DB9@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <3872D88A.AF93B007@snet.net>

The only thing to be aware of with this demagnetizer is that it is unable to come into
contact with the heads of any of the Nak decks that incorporate the pressure pad
lifter as the lifter itself prevents proper operation. This does make it impossible to
fully demag the heads with this otherwise excellent demagnetizing cassette.

Regards,
Ed

Tom Bergman wrote:

> Nakfans,
>      I've been using the battery-powered TDK HD-11 demagnetizer for over
> fifteen years.  I'm not sure if it's still being manufactured, but it's
> definitely worth looking for, either used OR new.  It's ease of use is
> what I really love about it:  You push the on/off switch and a red LED
> lights up.  Then, a few seconds later, a green LED right next to it
> lights up, letting you know the unit is charged up and ready to use.
> You place the plastic-covered yoke against the object to be demagnetized
> and push a button that fires the baby up.  DONE.  It's that simple.  You
> wait a few seconds for the unit to power up again:  When the green LED
> relights, your'e ready to move to the next head, capstan, etc.  I demag
> everything--heads AND metal parts.  I feel it's wise to demag anything
> in the transport chamber capable of being magnetized.  Better safe than
> sorry...
>
>                                  Tom
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From captain at bestweb.net  Wed Jan  5 07:56:42 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 06:56:42 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com> <3872559D.7DB9@bestweb.net> <3872D88A.AF93B007@snet.net>
Message-ID: <3872EB29.1CC3@bestweb.net>

Not true, Ed.  The HD-11 is a HAND-HELD unit, not a demagging cassette.
You can use it anywhere.  You're right about the TDK (and other brands
of) demagnetizing CASSETTE, however.  The pressure pad lifter will NOT
allow its use.  Only the newer, post 1985 two-head units WITHOUT the
lifter can handle demag cassettes.

                                  Tom
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Jan  6 04:20:29 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:20:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <KCLOOFEEDIIDFAAA@angelfire.com> <3872559D.7DB9@bestweb.net> <3872D88A.AF93B007@snet.net> <3872EB29.1CC3@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <387409FC.1D8F942@snet.net>

My apologies... for some reason I thought you were referring to the cassette type
unit.

Ed

Tom Bergman wrote:

> Not true, Ed.  The HD-11 is a HAND-HELD unit, not a demagging cassette.
> You can use it anywhere.  You're right about the TDK (and other brands
> of) demagnetizing CASSETTE, however.  The pressure pad lifter will NOT
> allow its use.  Only the newer, post 1985 two-head units WITHOUT the
> lifter can handle demag cassettes.
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan  6 18:18:39 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:18:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] New manual
Message-ID: <3874CE6F.935D20A5@xs4all.nl>


I've added the HighComII owners manual to the FTP server, thanks to
Thomas Siomopoulos for submitting it!

ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/international/

Wouter

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From RCD12948 at aol.com  Thu Jan  6 19:50:11 2000
From: RCD12948 at aol.com (RCD12948 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:50:11 EST
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <64.64e669c3.25a63de3@aol.com>

Anybody have any experience with the DiscWasher demagnetizer? I've used one 
for
years with good results on various decks.
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From captain at bestweb.net  Thu Jan  6 19:51:01 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:51:01 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
References: <64.64e669c3.25a63de3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3874E415.3EEE@bestweb.net>

I've heard good things about the Discwasher demagnetizer, but have never
seen one in stores.  Is it still available?

                                   Tom
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From PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jan  7 02:01:08 2000
From: PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net (PERI SNARR)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:01:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <003e01bf58aa$b27722e0$fd6b4c0c@default>

Tom,

I have two of the Discwasher Demagnatizers. They do a decent job, but
nothing beats a good hand held unit. The thing they are really great for is
car decks and the fact that they demag the capstans as well as the heads. I
have always wondered just how good a job they do and if there is anything
they leave behind?

Steve Snarr
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Bergman <captain at bestweb.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......


>I've heard good things about the Discwasher demagnetizer, but have never
>seen one in stores.  Is it still available?
>
>                                   Tom
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From PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jan  7 02:06:58 2000
From: PLS-SES at worldnet.att.net (PERI SNARR)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:06:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......
Message-ID: <004501bf58ab$81fda980$fd6b4c0c@default>

Hi Tom,

Steve again. I forgot about your original question. If you contact
Discwasher, they will probably let you know if they are still available.
Here is their address:

1407 N. Providence Rd.
P.O. Box 6021
Columbia, MO.
65205

Let me know what you find out.
Steve
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From: Tom Bergman <captain at bestweb.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE; Demagging, continued......


>I've heard good things about the Discwasher demagnetizer, but have never
>seen one in stores.  Is it still available?
>
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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Sun Oct  1 03:09:53 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:09:53 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com>



Ron wrote:

> In others, the housing went bad with time -- the slip
> sheets got rough or the shell distorted and the tape
> got stuck inside the shell. These, I repaired by
> breaking them open and transferring the tape to a high
> quality shell (I happen to have several TDK C-60 tapes
> from 20 years ago, that use quality shells, held
> together with 5 screws).

Hi Ron

My general-quality favourites used to be the TDK A [black shell] and D cassettes of the
early '90s [transparent, with full-size liners and five screws].

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how the quality of tape housings has
deteriorated in general?

Cheers
Jason

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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct  1 04:03:31 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:03:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net> <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com>
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Jason Antony wrote:
> 
> Ron wrote:
> 
> > In others, the housing went bad with time -- the slip
> > sheets got rough or the shell distorted and the tape
> > got stuck inside the shell. These, I repaired by
> > breaking them open and transferring the tape to a high
> > quality shell (I happen to have several TDK C-60 tapes
> > from 20 years ago, that use quality shells, held
> > together with 5 screws).
> 
> Hi Ron
> 
> My general-quality favourites used to be the TDK A [black
> shell] and D cassettes of the early '90s [transparent,
> with full-size liners and five screws].

The cassettes I have are marked UUD71. Gray plastic shell,
full size slip sheets and 5 screws. These were rejects from
shipments of bulk cassettes used in a Holter system, dating
from the late 70s. I discard the tape but use the shells.

> Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how the quality
> of tape housings has deteriorated in general?

You can say that again... I was quite surprised at the low
quality of Philips prerecorded cassettes. Cheap slip sheets,
cheap shells, only brand where I couldn't transfer labels
without damaging them.

For blanks I use mainly Maxell XL-II-90 and DTK SA-100. I
find their quality to still be quite good.

-- Ron


> 
> Cheers
> Jason
>
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From DJBrown96 at aol.com  Sun Oct  1 04:11:21 2000
From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:11:21 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Metal Recording Tapes
Message-ID: <20.c1871cb.2707f749@aol.com>

 With all of the conversation lately about metal recording tapes, I was 
wondering if anyone has had any experience with Fuji ZX. I just returned from 
our local Tower Records, where they were having a sale on them. The only 
tapes that I have used are TDK-SA, and Maxell, and I was wondering in the 
Fuji ZX is worth a try.
                                                                              
     Thanks, Dennis
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sun Oct  1 07:20:27 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 10:50:27 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net> <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com>
Message-ID: <39D6C99B.C3B8C34D@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Jason how right you are. TDK MA metal at present comes with welded shells and no screws!
The shell itself looks terrible - outside finish. I do not know whether anybody else
noticed this. I find TDK normal D ver is even now pretty good.
I ahd to break the metal TDK MA tape to take out the tape which got entangled inside -
which never happened any of my off the shelf blanks of reputed manufacturers earlier.
Imagine my horror when I travelled 15 miles in my scooter to visit a guy having a Dragon to
record this tape and when I tried this happened! These tapes were sent from US by my
brother.
Kannan

Jason Antony wrote:

> Ron wrote:
>
> > In others, the housing went bad with time -- the slip
> > sheets got rough or the shell distorted and the tape
> > got stuck inside the shell. These, I repaired by
> > breaking them open and transferring the tape to a high
> > quality shell (I happen to have several TDK C-60 tapes
> > from 20 years ago, that use quality shells, held
> > together with 5 screws).
>
> Hi Ron
>
> My general-quality favourites used to be the TDK A [black shell] and D cassettes of the
> early '90s [transparent, with full-size liners and five screws].
>
> Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how the quality of tape housings has
> deteriorated in general?
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Oct  1 12:04:59 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 03:04:59 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Recordings (on non-Nak Decks)
Message-ID: <OFADMMKKBHNCFAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings....

I've been catching up on reading NakTalk digests this morning, and I tend to agree with Stephen Sank about the imaginary differences some people experience playing Nak recorded music on non-Nak decks.  

I possess three classic Marantz 5420 decks, and before owning a Nak RX-202 during the late 1980s, these Marantz decks were my mainstay cassette recorders/players.  I've been also using my RX-505 for quite some time.  Never an incompatibility between my Marantz and Nakamichi decks during those years.  I feel very comfortable recording vinyl to my Marantz decks, and then transfering that music for playback on my Nak decks, even duplicating a Marantz deck recording from Nak to Nak or converting analogue to digital(using the Nak deck as a source to record to an audio compact disc recorder).  

Now, being a music collector, I've been swapping (that is, exchanging with other collectors) analogue cassette music for more than fifteen years.  I would estimate that I've corresponded and swapped music with 500 or so other music enthusiasts.  When sending Nak recorded cassettes (I've always offered a choise to my music friends), I have only received a scarce few responses from perplexed collectors who noticed differences in audio clarity.  What I usually suggested was that they clean and demagg their decks, or ultimately that they consider having their decks tuned-up.  I've dealt with enough people who simply have different expectations of what good sounding music should be, let alone exemplary sounding (ie: Nak recorded) music.  Too many people just run their decks into the ground, and along the way, they suffer from performance degradation from the usual problems that develop when neglect to the basic mechanisms that transport cassette music to output.

Attention my fellow NakTalkers, when was the last time you cleaned and demagged your decks?  How about routine tune-ups??  Consider how often you have your autos into the dealership, for preventative maintenance purposes.  Nakamichi decks are superb, and deserve to be treated as investments that perform as they are intended! Alas, even some Nakamichi owners rely on the reputation of Nakamichi gear to convince themselves that they have superior sound reproduction.  Perhaps even some NakTalkers would benefit from evaluating the condition of their prized possessions, and make efforts to enhance performance potential through basic maintenance activities. 

Enough on my personal viewpoints, its good to return to the membership, after lurking for two weeks from Europe while on vacation.....

Blues

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~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:37:15 -0600
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NAK recordings on non-nak decks

Not for anything, but, this is a load of dingo's kidneys.  Mark Nutter knows not what he is talking about.  In my VAST experience playing Nak-recorded music tapes on every kind of deck to total garbage, I have never heard this supposed compatibility problem.

Once I've done the speed & azimuth adjustments, every deck has played every tape perfectly fine, within the limitations of that decks abilities to sound good.  Not once have I ever had either audible nor measurable incompatibilities.  Until someone provides me physical evidence to the contrary, I refuse to accept that nonsense.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Oct  1 22:31:39 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:31:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Mk.II
References: <026201c0290d$f635ab80$7293bccf@sank1> <39D53DD1.B87BBFE7@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <003a01c02be6$9ab48c50$bd496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

If you call and ask nicely at Nakamichi they will send you a copy of an
owners manual, free.  I'm not sure about a service maual.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 Mk.II


> Dear Naktalkers!
>
> I have just purchased Nak 600 Mk.II in a very good condition (at least
externally).
> Anyway, taking into account the age of the machine, I would like to
proceed with it's
> tune-up. Unfortunately, I do not have any documents on this deck. On the
Wouter's
> ftp-site they are not to find either. Does anybody know, where I can get a
few most
> important [for the calibartion] pages off them? I understand that scanning
and
> converting to *.pdf form the whole papers is quite time and powers
consuming task, so I
> do no expect to get even 1/4 of the total... But maybe someone sees a
possibily of
> providing me with 1 page (with the technical data) off the Owner's Manual
and 2-3 pages
> (containing calibration procedures) off the Service Manual for this
recorder? Any help,
> warnings or general advices on this deck are greatly appreciated.
>
> Nick
>
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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Mon Oct  2 07:36:32 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:36:32 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZX and ZX-II/Metal Recording Tapes
References: <20.c1871cb.2707f749@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39D81EE0.680C9C6C@nettaxi.com>



DJBrown96 at aol.com wrote:

>  With all of the conversation lately about metal recording tapes, I was
> wondering if anyone has had any experience with Fuji ZX. I just returned from
> our local Tower Records, where they were having a sale on them. The only
> tapes that I have used are TDK-SA, and Maxell, and I was wondering in the
> Fuji ZX is worth a try.

Hi Dennis

I have been using Fuji's ZX and ZX-II tapes here in Australia, and both deliver
impeccable quality. The ZX-II is a bright tape, comes in a black shell and an
interesting black slimline case. It also has a higher MOL in the high frequencies. A
big grouch is that the shell is sealed, not screwed together.

The ZX is overall more smoother-sounding. I like the fact that the shell has five
screws. Also, IIRC I believe it is manufactured in Korea, while the ZX-II is made in
Japan. I prefer tapes made in Nippon, altho the other countries have been catching up,
especially Korea. There are no worthwhile shortcomings, quality-wise, in the ZX.

Cheers
Jason

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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Mon Oct  2 08:15:56 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:15:56 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net> <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com> <39D6C99B.C3B8C34D@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <39D8281C.86FE59E0@nettaxi.com>



Kannan S wrote:

> Jason how right you are. TDK MA metal at present comes with welded shells and no screws!
> The shell itself looks terrible - outside finish. I do not know whether anybody else
> noticed this. I find TDK normal D ver is even now pretty good.
> I ahd to break the metal TDK MA tape to take out the tape which got entangled inside -
> which never happened any of my off the shelf blanks of reputed manufacturers earlier.
> Imagine my horror when I travelled 15 miles in my scooter to visit a guy having a Dragon to
> record this tape and when I tried this happened! These tapes were sent from US by my
> brother.
> Kannan

Oh yuck! Have TDK started cutting costs by getting rid of the screws? Shame on them, especially
on such a high-end tape.

I spent a major part of my childhood - and adolesence - dissassembling all varities of
cassettes, examining their mechanics and how they fitted together, and then putting them all
back. It was partly an exercise of necessity as I had a lousy mono tape player that loved
eating tapes up randomly, and I had to salvage what I could and glue the remnants back
together. Needless to say, I got a semi-decent unit soon.

I prefer tapes that have five screws, and full-size slip sheets [not like today's Sonys and
TDKs, which are tiny]. Also, on the best shells, the screws come out and go in easily, smooth
as butter, without any hitches. Oh, the pleasure! : )

I brought a few of those with me to Australia, for that sole [soul?] reason.

Anyway cheers for now!
Jason




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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Mon Oct  2 08:22:06 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:22:06 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Cassette shells
References: <be.9e38e2f.2704159f@aol.com> <39D348E8.D54E2D2A@concentric.net> <39D68EE1.DBE9C84A@nettaxi.com> <39D69B73.6AD8609A@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39D8298E.9DAB3F4E@nettaxi.com>



Ron wrote:

> You can say that again... I was quite surprised at the low
> quality of Philips prerecorded cassettes. Cheap slip sheets,
> cheap shells, only brand where I couldn't transfer labels
> without damaging them.

Yes, Philips has been quite dodgy in this area. Their tape ribbon appears to be rather
strong, and not flimsy.

Another horror story is Agfa. Enuff said : )



> For blanks I use mainly Maxell XL-II-90 and DTK SA-100. I
> find their quality to still be quite good.

Maxell's UR shells are among my special favs... wonder why I forgot them. However,
they're not seen in the stores anymore and have been replaced by a suspicious-looking
UE series. They are made in Indonesia and my gut feeling is to stay away from them.
>From what I could see through the plastic wrap, the build quality's gone down. No more
paper labels, but printed surfaces on the shell instead which are joyless.

Anyway I might try one of them out to give you all a more factual appraisal.

Bye
Jason


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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Mon Oct  2 13:13:19 2000
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 06:13:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Mk.II
References: <026201c0290d$f635ab80$7293bccf@sank1> <39D53DD1.B87BBFE7@com2com.ru> <003a01c02be6$9ab48c50$bd496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <39D86DCE.101C6431@sprintmail.com>

Thank you John.  I will give it a try.  I am surprised that they would have manuals
for machines as old as the 600II

Videovern

"John M. Tooley" wrote:

> If you call and ask nicely at Nakamichi they will send you a copy of an
> owners manual, free.  I'm not sure about a service maual.

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From DJBrown96 at aol.com  Mon Oct  2 20:11:15 2000
From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:11:15 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Fuji ZX and ZX-II/Metal Recording Tapes
Message-ID: <94.a341a3d.270a29c3@aol.com>

 Thanks, Mark and Jason for your insight and experience with Fuji ZX tapes. I 
think that I will give them a try. Dennis
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct  3 10:40:50 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 04:40:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Models
In-Reply-To: <OFADMMKKBHNCFAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003044005.00be8e60@mail.flashcom.net>

Nice overview of Nak models:

http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak-deck2.html

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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Tue Oct  3 13:34:04 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:04:04 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
Message-ID: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl>

Somebody was looking for CR7A
here is one
http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/fs.pl?misccass&1&ctg&3&3&

Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:16 AM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E


>Some people can be creative, here is an e-Bay advert for a BX300-E.
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=449915039. According
>to the seller 'E' means third best deck in the world after Dragon and CR7A
>(but not CR7).
>
>What does the 'E' suffix stand for? (like European version requiring a
>converter?) And what is he talking about re: that CR-7A is better than this
>one, but not CR-7?
>
>Stan
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Oct  3 13:04:30 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:04:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Site down
Message-ID: <39D9BD3E.CAF38C47@xs4all.nl>

Hi all!

>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
for moving to another building.
I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
network/firewall being available in the new building.
So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)

Wouter

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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Oct  3 20:06:55 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:06:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net>

Kannan,

Thanks for posting the URL of this auction site.
Never saw it before and found it very interesting.

One person wants to sell a 3-1/2 year old Dragon
("The best deck ever made") that has been used
less than 50 hours over life... 

Someone else wants to sell a CR-7a (less than 100
of use, believe it or not) and wants the buyer to
pay for shipping of 40 lb.. This paragon of honesty
has more negative than positive feedback postings,
I wonder why.

I hate to be so negative, but, damn it, I'm really
pissed off... It's getting so that buying from one
of these auction sites almost guarantees a rip off...
Where have all the honest people gone?

-- Ron


"Kannan. S" wrote:
> 
> Somebody was looking for CR7A
> here is one
> http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/fs.pl?misccass&1&ctg&3&3&
> 
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:16 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
> 
> >Some people can be creative, here is an e-Bay advert for a BX300-E.
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=449915039. According
> >to the seller 'E' means third best deck in the world after Dragon and CR7A
> >(but not CR7).
> >
> >What does the 'E' suffix stand for? (like European version requiring a
> >converter?) And what is he talking about re: that CR-7A is better than this
> >one, but not CR-7?
> >
> >Stan
> >
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct  3 20:32:54 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:32:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Home Audio Owners Club of Japan
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003143126.00beda10@mail.flashcom.net>

Better yet, this is the home page of the
Nakamichi Home Audio Owners Club of Japan,

Great site, in English.

http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak.html

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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Tue Oct  3 22:38:27 2000
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:38:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl> <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39DA43C1.93922C14@sprintmail.com>

Ron,

So far I've been very lucky with my purchases from e-bay lister's.  I have picked up
decent deals on a couple of 500's, a 600 II, and a couple of BX-1's.

One of the 500's sold for about $25 and was listed as not working. It turned out that
the Record/Playback switch on the circuit board was sticking and just a little
cleaning made it work perfectly.

As in most all cases you are going to find the good and the bad mixed together.  We
just have to try and sort them out as best as possible.

Regards,
Videovern

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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Wed Oct  4 02:44:03 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:44:03 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Metal Recording Tapes
Message-ID: <7c.bba05e6.270bd753@aol.com>

Hi Dennis,

Just returning to Nak talkers so please forgive the delayed response.  I have 
used the Fuji ZX-II on many occasions and have been able to create nice 
recordings with it.  Unfortunately, my higher-end deck is in need of 
maintenance, so I haven't had the opportunity to experiment with the bias and 
calibration.  However, if given a choice I would choose the Maxell XL-II for 
it's superior shell and quality tape.  Has anyone else on this list used 
Fuji?  What was your experience?  Thanks!

-Sam
Ephesians 4:13
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From enoyes at snet.net  Wed Oct  4 06:20:05 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 00:20:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl> <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39DAAFEE.400391F2@snet.net>

The honest people are still out there... I've bought many Nakamichi's on ebay. Most
needed some kind of work, while some were in great shape, or at least very honestly
represented. All the one's I sell are perfect in all respects when they leave me
unless otherwise noted. The trick is to cut through the liars and fools as best as
possible. We all know the warning signs of someone who is clueless or a con artist...
3 1/2 year old Dragons, super-special BX-300E, etc... I've bought these kinds of decks
as well as one's that were so vaguely represented that they had all of  two lines as
the description, but it's only been at prices low enough that if it arrives and even
looks like a Nak then I've done all right. If a person seems truly knowledgeable and
has a feedback rating that supports the notion of ethical selling practices, then
you'll probably find that you're dealing with the kind of person that will provide a
good item... it may not be the bargain of the century, but you get what you pay for or
take your chances.

Ed

Ron wrote:

> Kannan,
>
> Thanks for posting the URL of this auction site.
> Never saw it before and found it very interesting.
>
> One person wants to sell a 3-1/2 year old Dragon
> ("The best deck ever made") that has been used
> less than 50 hours over life...
>
> Someone else wants to sell a CR-7a (less than 100
> of use, believe it or not) and wants the buyer to
> pay for shipping of 40 lb.. This paragon of honesty
> has more negative than positive feedback postings,
> I wonder why.
>
> I hate to be so negative, but, damn it, I'm really
> pissed off... It's getting so that buying from one
> of these auction sites almost guarantees a rip off...
> Where have all the honest people gone?
>
> -- Ron
>
> "Kannan. S" wrote:
> >
> > Somebody was looking for CR7A
> > here is one
> > http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/fs.pl?misccass&1&ctg&3&3&
> >
> > Kannan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:16 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
> >
> > >Some people can be creative, here is an e-Bay advert for a BX300-E.
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=449915039. According
> > >to the seller 'E' means third best deck in the world after Dragon and CR7A
> > >(but not CR7).
> > >
> > >What does the 'E' suffix stand for? (like European version requiring a
> > >converter?) And what is he talking about re: that CR-7A is better than this
> > >one, but not CR-7?
> > >
> > >Stan
> > >
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From marc at stager.com  Wed Oct  4 07:40:18 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:40:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
In-Reply-To: <39DAAFEE.400391F2@snet.net>
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl>
 <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001004012516.00bd0590@mail.flashcom.net>

I recently bought one, works beautifully, and I didn't even pay
shipping. Its owner, from Staten Island, drove into Manhattan
and dropped it off to me and I paid him in cash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=397979498

I couldn't be more pleased - and the price was a bargain.

Just check the feedback. If the description looks fishy, email the
seller. Don't be tempted to get into a bidding war. The worst
sellers are the pros who hawk everything from Barbie Dolls to
disposable lighters. They're just turning around junk.

I used to buy used LP's from eBay, but I rarely got one even close
to the condition they were advertised to be.

__________________________ Marc Stager

===================================================

At 10/4/00, you wrote:
>The honest people are still out there... I've bought many Nakamichi's on 
>ebay. Most needed some kind of work, while some were in great shape, or at 
>least very honestly represented. All the one's I sell are perfect in all 
>respects when they leave me unless otherwise noted. The trick is to cut 
>through the liars and fools as best as possible. We all know the warning 
>signs of someone who is clueless or a con artist... 3 1/2 year old 
>Dragons, super-special BX-300E, etc... I've bought these kinds of decks as 
>well as one's that were so vaguely represented that they had all of  two 
>lines as the description, but it's only been at prices low enough that if 
>it arrives and even looks like a Nak then I've done all right. If a person 
>seems truly knowledgeable and has a feedback rating that supports the 
>notion of ethical selling practices, then you'll probably find that you're 
>dealing with the kind of person that will provide a good item... it may 
>not be the bargain of the century, but you get what you pay for or take 
>your chances.
>
>Ed
>
>Ron wrote:
>>Kannan,
>>
>>Thanks for posting the URL of this auction site.
>>Never saw it before and found it very interesting.
>>
>>One person wants to sell a 3-1/2 year old Dragon
>>("The best deck ever made") that has been used
>>less than 50 hours over life...
>>
>>Someone else wants to sell a CR-7a (less than 100
>>of use, believe it or not) and wants the buyer to
>>pay for shipping of 40 lb.. This paragon of honesty
>>has more negative than positive feedback postings,
>>I wonder why.
>>
>>I hate to be so negative, but, damn it, I'm really
>>pissed off... It's getting so that buying from one
>>of these auction sites almost guarantees a rip off...
>>Where have all the honest people gone?
>>
>>-- Ron

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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Thu Oct  5 00:10:29 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:10:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Errata - Fuji ZX and ZX-II/Metal Recording Tapes
References: <94.a341a3d.270a29c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39DBAAD5.53C83764@nettaxi.com>


Hi Dennis

I must apologise as the tapes I have used [and gave my opinion on] were Fuji's Z and
Z-II chrome tapes, NOT their metal ZX counterparts. A few hours after posting my
message, something began to bother me and I opened my cassette drawer to check and -
voila! :-\

Nonetheless the Z tapes are good performers and should give a good indication of what
to expect from the [presumably] better ZXs. My advice would be to get a sample tape
each [also the Maxell XL-II], record some music you are intimately familiar with, and
then observe the results. Watch out for any dropouts [some old Fujis I bought years ago
were notorious for this, especially toward the last two minutes of side A [and first
two mins of side B]. This is due to the imprint made by the spool clip.

Maxell fares the best in this regard owing to its unique design which doesn't damage
that area of the tape as badly. However, Fuji's shell is quite good.

Anyway, good luck and most importantly, have fun!

Cheers
Jason

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From krolw at alcor.concordia.ca  Wed Oct  4 15:19:59 2000
From: krolw at alcor.concordia.ca (Wolfgang Krol)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:19:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Case and strap for Nak 550
Message-ID: <v03130303b600ddf6fd4a@[132.205.58.14]>

I have a Nak 550 prtable recorder and would like to know if any one out
there has a strap assembly and/or case in any condition to sell? Thanks
W.Krol<krolw at alcor.concordia.ca>

Sincerely,

W P Krol


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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Oct  4 15:56:02 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:56:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The 3rd best deck in the world - BX300E
References: <026a01c02d2d$ded8c3e0$42d60192@vsnl>
	 <39DA203F.639F5520@concentric.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001004012516.00bd0590@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <39DB36F2.701E17CA@concentric.net>

Marc Stager wrote:
> 
> I used to buy used LP's from eBay, but I rarely got one even close
> to the condition they were advertised to be.

You can say that again... I tried that, and gave up.

The last LP I bought (Rubinstein playing Chopin's
Ballads) was described as 'near mint' with the word
'wonderful' appearing three times in the two line
description. They forgot to mention the mildew...
I was taken for $7 -- not enough to worry about, but
a reminder what the chances of an honest man are on
ebay.

-- Ron
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Wed Oct  4 16:50:45 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:50:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
Message-ID: <s9dafd98.056@WORF.anderson.edu>

Hello all,

Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about the RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In any broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which means two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was accustomed to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R. Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.

Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?  Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is through your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the element withstood a considerable amount of shock.

Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still record on-location using various microphones.

Help keep analog (sound) alive!

Kent Merideth

>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
Hi all!

>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
for moving to another building.
I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
network/firewall being available in the new building.
So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)

Wouter

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct  4 20:22:26 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:22:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Rubinstein
In-Reply-To: <39DB36F2.701E17CA@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000101c02e30$0c1fea60$4527883e@a4s1s2>

Ron

A Rubinstein fan?  Good man!  My VERY favourite Chopin interpreter.  Perhaps
we should compare Rubinstein record collections and see if there is room for
swapping recordings???

Graham


> The last LP I bought (Rubinstein playing Chopin's
> Ballads) was described as 'near mint' with the word
> 'wonderful' appearing three times in the two line
> description.

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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Wed Oct  4 21:57:40 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:57:40 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
Message-ID: <003801c02e3d$5c4f0860$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>

Guys,

Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.

Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on http://www.nakamichi.com/

Adam

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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Wed Oct  4 22:17:45 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:17:45 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
Message-ID: <4e.bdd806f.270cea69@aol.com>


In a message dated 10/4/00 1:04:31 PM, adamyh at netvigator.com writes:

<< Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has 
a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.

 >>

Also check out their new 42" Plasma flat screen tv!!! You can find it listed 
in the soundspace section of the Nak website. 

I lament the fact that Nak has now discontinued their line of separates. The 
PA-1 and CA-1 were direct desendants of the CA-7 and PA-7 but in 5-channel 
form, and will probably stand as being the last "high end" pieces the company 
ever makes. THE KING IS DEAD.

Rob
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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Wed Oct  4 22:50:51 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:50:51 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
References: <003801c02e3d$5c4f0860$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <00b601c02e44$cb3f48f0$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>

Sorry guys, it's CMS-5


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adam Yousuf 
  To: Nak Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 3:57 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?


  Guys,

  Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.

  Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on http://www.nakamichi.com/

  Adam

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Wed Oct  4 23:56:47 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:56:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <000a01c02e4d$feb35920$208c55c3@asuscubx>

Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro

How low can a firm go

DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too


Norman
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Oct  5 01:01:35 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:01:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
References: <003801c02e3d$5c4f0860$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <001e01c02e57$0d478fc0$0100007f@boom>

Hi Adam,

Unfortunately it's not a truly Nak anymore. No people, no spirit.. no art
anymore.

Misha


>Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has
a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.
>Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on
http://www.nakamichi.com/

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Oct  5 02:09:15 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:09:15 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <03c801c02e60$80187b00$7293bccf@sank1>

Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
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Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
Subject: [naktalk] new deck


Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro

How low can a firm go

DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi
heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of
course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
normal, high and metal tape are included too


Norman


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Oct  5 02:20:00 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:20:00 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
Message-ID: <03cf01c02e62$0142c680$7293bccf@sank1>

I haven't received my comp copies of this month's EQ yet.  I am disappointed
to hear that the photographer did not include the end of the cable in the
picture.  The last six inches or so of the fat brown cable sprouts two
separate cables with ordinary XLR plugs.  Did he at least take a pic of the
mic with the top off, showing the two BK-6B mics?  It's a very cool bit of
nylon machining housing them.  The funny part is that the BK-6B, even in
this application, sounds way better than an actual BK-1A, which is a pretty
dreadful sounding dynamic mic.  Not one of my dad's designs, of course.
As for ribbon mic fragility, I have only seen ribbon elements damaged by
either idiots blowing into them or by plugging into an active phantom
powered line.  I've seen 77-DX's dropped on their heads with the screen
cages caved in that sounded perfectly fine.  Even the most extreme impact,
short of shattering a magnet, is very unlikely to hurt a ribbon, as the
aluminum is so thin that there is efectively no inertial mass(main reason
ribbons sound so natural).  The spec for the BK11 ribbon material, for
instance, is 14.5mg per four square inches of material, or about 3.6mg per
square inch.  Very hard to hold between your fingers without tearing.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine


>Hello all,
>
>Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about the
RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for
the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In any
broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which means
two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with
placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single
housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was accustomed
to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two
conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two
elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the
back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was
accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R.
Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.
>
>Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?
Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is through
your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon
mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they
could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically
handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the element
withstood a considerable amount of shock.
>
>Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still
record on-location using various microphones.
>
>Help keep analog (sound) alive!
>
>Kent Merideth
>
>>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
>Hi all!
>
>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
>for moving to another building.
>I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
>network/firewall being available in the new building.
>So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)
>
>Wouter
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From alan at audiotronics.com  Thu Oct  5 02:19:18 2000
From: alan at audiotronics.com (Alan Store Address)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:19:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
In-Reply-To: <03c801c02e60$80187b00$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <002f01c02e61$e745f180$0b00000a@main>

"meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism" ... kinda sad.  Decades ago
they did auto reverse the only way it could accurately be done.  If they are
using a four track head WITHOUT NAAC or are flipping the head assembly, I'll
shake my head in sorrow.

Alan Guyes - dedicated Nak owner


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Stephen Sank
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:09 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck


Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
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Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
Subject: [naktalk] new deck


Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro

How low can a firm go

DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi
heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of
course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
normal, high and metal tape are included too


Norman


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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 02:54:29 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:54:29 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: MINT Dragon for sale
Message-ID: <27.bb6e03d.270d2b45@aol.com>

Check it out guys:

http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/auc.pl?misccass&970709562&item
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From eriep at stewstras.net  Thu Oct  5 05:07:11 2000
From: eriep at stewstras.net (Erie Patsellis)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:07:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
References: <003801c02e3d$5c4f0860$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <003101c02e79$5b877b60$0400a8c0@design>

and should anyone want a mini system, or any of the Nakamichi lifestyle systems, drop me an email...



erie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adam Yousuf 
  To: Nak Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 2:57 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?


  Guys,
   
  Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It has a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.
   
  Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on http://www.nakamichi.com/
   
  Adam

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From ritchfan at airmail.net  Thu Oct  5 05:22:53 2000
From: ritchfan at airmail.net (Bobby Gervais)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:22:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
In-Reply-To: <00b601c02e44$cb3f48f0$407cc6cb@adamhomepc>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Oct  5 06:50:44 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:20:44 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <008a01c02e87$d2255ae0$42d60192@vsnl>

Did you see that CM5 Champagne colour available for Asia only. Looks like
these models are for countries like India where Miniature systems are
popular and costs much less than Seperates - actually our guys call it Rack
systems - not the Pro rack !
Nakamichi has lost it soul ( or Technology) years back.
I am seriously thinking of Keeping My BX1 as it would record better than
this CM5!
What you guys think if Nak has reintroduced CR7 - will it have market for
1500 USD price tag?
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Store Address <alan at audiotronics.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] new deck


>"meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism" ... kinda sad.  Decades
ago
>they did auto reverse the only way it could accurately be done.  If they
are
>using a four track head WITHOUT NAAC or are flipping the head assembly,
I'll
>shake my head in sorrow.
>
>Alan Guyes - dedicated Nak owner
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>Stephen Sank
>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:09 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
>Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
>How low can a firm go
>
>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
Nakamichi
>heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
>system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
>optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic!
Of
>course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
>normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
>Norman
>
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 07:31:22 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:31:22 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
Message-ID: <52.182579d.270d6c2a@aol.com>

Hi,

You know, as a marketing professional I like that idea.  Unfortunately, it 
would require NAK to return to what appears to be long abandoned 
manufacturing techniques.  However, they could simply outsource the 
manufacturing to another country, recreate a limited number of Dragons, 
update the face styling, maybe add some new feature (e.g. wireless, credit 
card thin universal remote), charge a high price tag and sell a considerable 
number of these decks.  Does anyone on this list know how to contact their 
marketing department?  I could create a really sharp marketing plan to 
support this idea.

-Sam
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 07:39:56 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:39:56 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <d9.a702fad.270d6e2c@aol.com>

Actually,  when you think about it NAK could re-enter the professional studio 
and prosumer market.  TASCAM is there due to their reliability.   NAK made an 
ill-faded attempt with the MR-1.  A CR-7a with the durability of a TASCAM 122 
MKIII.  That would require a new commitment and dedication to analog tape 
recording that doesn't seem to exist at NAK anymore.  If you could produce 
the sound that the CR-7 produces inside of a TASCAM 122, it would be an ideal 
deck that would span multiple applications from studio mastering, radio and 
television production, to the high-end home audio enthusiasts.  Just a 
thought.  

-Sam
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct  5 09:44:35 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:44:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
In-Reply-To: <52.182579d.270d6c2a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501c02ea0$1b50d060$dd50883e@a4s1s2>

Sam

And if you need a top gun market research consultant for this enterprise
....  don't forget me!!!

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> SBarr12393 at aol.com
> Sent: 05 October 2000 06:31
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> You know, as a marketing professional I like that idea.
> Unfortunately, it
> would require NAK to return to what appears to be long abandoned
> manufacturing techniques.  However, they could simply outsource the
> manufacturing to another country, recreate a limited number of Dragons,
> update the face styling, maybe add some new feature (e.g.
> wireless, credit
> card thin universal remote), charge a high price tag and sell a
> considerable
> number of these decks.  Does anyone on this list know how to
> contact their
> marketing department?  I could create a really sharp marketing plan to
> support this idea.
>
> -Sam
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From howarthar at supanet.com  Thu Oct  5 10:51:34 2000
From: howarthar at supanet.com (Andrew Howarth)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:51:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: New Deck
References: <200010050302.FAA29593@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c02ea9$7867e780$95916fd4@oemcomputer>

Dear, oh dear, oh dear, that all I can say about the DR5.

Frequency response 30 - 17kHz for Type IV tape (!!!) on a Nakamichi in this
enlightened age of high technology! I notice that they dare not state the
specs for Type I tape. Can this really be a Nak engineered deck, or is it an
OEM they have bought in just so they can have a 'me-to' tape deck for their
mini system.

A sad day indeed.

Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: naktalk-digest <owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com>
To: <naktalk-digest at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:02 AM
Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #403


>
> naktalk-digest        Thursday, October 5 2000        Volume 02 : Number
403
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:56:47 +0200
> From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
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> Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
> How low can a firm go
>
> DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a =
> meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and =
> Dolby HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the =
> Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into =
> the CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically =
> adopts the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup =
> is automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and =
> bias/equalization selection for normal, high and metal tape are included =
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>
>
> Norman
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> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:01:35 +0200
> From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> Unfortunately it's not a truly Nak anymore. No people, no spirit.. no art
> anymore.
>
> Misha
>
>
> >Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It
has
> a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.
> >Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on
> http://www.nakamichi.com/
>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:09:15 -0600
> From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
> Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
> Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
> How low can a firm go
>
> DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
> HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
Nakamichi
> heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
> system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
> optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic!
Of
> course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
> normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
> Norman
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:20:00 -0600
> From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
>
> I haven't received my comp copies of this month's EQ yet.  I am
disappointed
> to hear that the photographer did not include the end of the cable in the
> picture.  The last six inches or so of the fat brown cable sprouts two
> separate cables with ordinary XLR plugs.  Did he at least take a pic of
the
> mic with the top off, showing the two BK-6B mics?  It's a very cool bit of
> nylon machining housing them.  The funny part is that the BK-6B, even in
> this application, sounds way better than an actual BK-1A, which is a
pretty
> dreadful sounding dynamic mic.  Not one of my dad's designs, of course.
> As for ribbon mic fragility, I have only seen ribbon elements damaged by
> either idiots blowing into them or by plugging into an active phantom
> powered line.  I've seen 77-DX's dropped on their heads with the screen
> cages caved in that sounded perfectly fine.  Even the most extreme impact,
> short of shattering a magnet, is very unlikely to hurt a ribbon, as the
> aluminum is so thin that there is efectively no inertial mass(main reason
> ribbons sound so natural).  The spec for the BK11 ribbon material, for
> instance, is 14.5mg per four square inches of material, or about 3.6mg per
> square inch.  Very hard to hold between your fingers without tearing.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
>
>
> >Hello all,
> >
> >Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about
the
> RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for
> the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In
any
> broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which
means
> two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with
> placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single
> housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was
accustomed
> to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two
> conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two
> elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the
> back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was
> accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R.
> Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.
> >
> >Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?
> Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is
through
> your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon
> mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they
> could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically
> handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the
element
> withstood a considerable amount of shock.
> >
> >Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still
> record on-location using various microphones.
> >
> >Help keep analog (sound) alive!
> >
> >Kent Merideth
> >
> >>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
> >Hi all!
> >
> >From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
> >for moving to another building.
> >I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
> >network/firewall being available in the new building.
> >So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)
> >
> >Wouter
> >
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:19:18 -0400
> From: "Alan Store Address" <alan at audiotronics.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] new deck
>
> "meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism" ... kinda sad.  Decades
ago
> they did auto reverse the only way it could accurately be done.  If they
are
> using a four track head WITHOUT NAAC or are flipping the head assembly,
I'll
> shake my head in sorrow.
>
> Alan Guyes - dedicated Nak owner
>
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Stephen Sank
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:09 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
> Well, that does sound like a scary piece of crap!
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:33 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
> Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
> How low can a firm go
>
> DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
> HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
Nakamichi
> heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
> system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
> optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic!
Of
> course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
> normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
> Norman
>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:54:29 EDT
> From: JaqDRipper at aol.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: MINT Dragon for sale
>
> Check it out guys:
>
> http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/auc.pl?misccass&970709562&item
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> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:07:11 -0500
> From: "Erie Patsellis" <eriep at stewstras.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> and should anyone want a mini system, or any of the Nakamichi lifestyle =
> systems, drop me an email...
>
>
>
> erie
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: Adam Yousuf=20
>   To: Nak Talk=20
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 2:57 PM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
>
>
>   Guys,
>   =20
>   Nakamichi USA has put up something new.. a CM-5.  Compact Model 5.  It =
> has a 2 head Tape Deck with HX-PRO and MD.
>   =20
>   Looks like those new Sony mini components.. check it out on =
> http://www.nakamichi.com/
>   =20
>   Adam
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and should anyone want a mini system, =
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> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>erie</FONT></DIV>
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>   <A href=3D"mailto:adamyh at netvigator.com" =
> title=3Dadamyh at netvigator.com>Adam=20
>   Yousuf</A> </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> href=3D"mailto:naktalk at naks.com"=20
>   title=3Dnaktalk at naks.com>Nak Talk</A> </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 04, =
> 2000 2:57=20
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> guys checked=20
>   out the CM-5?</DIV>
>   <DIV><BR></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Guys,</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nakamichi USA has put up something =
> new.. a=20
>   CM-5.&nbsp; Compact Model 5.&nbsp; It has a 2 head Tape Deck with =
> HX-PRO and=20
>   MD.</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looks like those new Sony mini =
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Thu Oct  5 11:43:53 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:43:53 +0200 
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F0024858AD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

If it was really "meticulously" engineered wouldn't it be a DR-5 "E".

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen [mailto:n.van.wijnen at castel.nl]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:57 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] new deck


Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
 
How low can a firm go
 
DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi
heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of
course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
normal, high and metal tape are included too
 
 
Norman

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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Thu Oct  5 13:57:24 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 5 Oct 00 13:57:24 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
Message-ID: <20001005105724.24206.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Naktalkers!

In TAS review of ZX-7 deck placed to FTP Naks server the author mentioned the
review of 700 model made by The Absolute Sound earlier. 

Maybe anybody has this issue and can place this review to FTP server? Or just
tell me the issue number. Thanks a lot.

Nicholas.

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From targowski at mediaone.net  Thu Oct  5 14:06:03 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:06:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
In-Reply-To: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F0024858AD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAENMCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

Raul, that's a good one.

I think time will show. I can see some "honest" seller on e-Bay in 2002
selling: "Nakamichi DR-5 E, meticulously engineered special edition deck,
fourth best only to Dragon, CR7 A, and BX300 E ... "
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Tellez, Raul
  Sent: Thu, October 05, 2000 4:44 AM
  To: 'naktalk at naks.com'
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] new deck


  If it was really "meticulously" engineered wouldn't it be a DR-5 "E".
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Norman van Wijnen [mailto:n.van.wijnen at castel.nl]
    Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:57 PM
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] new deck


    Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro

    How low can a firm go

    DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
    The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the Nakamichi
heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts the
optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic! Of
course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization selection for
normal, high and metal tape are included too


    Norman
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Oct  5 14:36:04 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:36:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
References: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAENMCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <39DC75B4.E5E72E61@xs4all.nl>

;-)

I bet this DR5 isn't even manufactured by Nakamichi themselves....
Nakamichi USA have done this trick before, buy crap and put the
Nakamichi brand on it.

Wouter

Stan Targowski wrote:

> Raul, that's a good one. I think time will show. I can see some
> "honest" seller on e-Bay in 2002 selling: "Nakamichi DR-5 E,
> meticulously engineered special edition deck, fourth best only to
> Dragon, CR7 A, and BX300 E ... "
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
>      [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tellez, Raul
>      Sent: Thu, October 05, 2000 4:44 AM
>      To: 'naktalk at naks.com'
>      Subject: RE: [naktalk] new deck
>
>      If it was really "meticulously" engineered wouldn't it be a
>      DR-5 "E".
>
>           -----Original Message-----
>           From: Norman van Wijnen
>           [mailto:n.van.wijnen at castel.nl]
>           Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:57 PM
>           To: naktalk at naks.com
>           Subject: [naktalk] new deck
>
>           Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby
>           HX Pro How low can a firm go DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE
>           DECK (optional)
>           The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head
>           cassette deck with a meticulously engineered
>           auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
>           Dolby HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and
>           most importantly, the Nakamichi heritage. Like the
>           MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the CMS-5
>           system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it
>           automatically adopts the optimum recording level
>           to transfer CDs to tape and startup is automatic!
>           Of course, manual control of record level and
>           bias/equalization selection for normal, high and
>           metal tape are included too  Norman
>

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From BrianjD107 at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 15:21:48 2000
From: BrianjD107 at aol.com (BrianjD107 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:21:48 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 pawnshop special
Message-ID: <a2.a52347a.270dda6c@aol.com>

Greetings from the Pacific NW. I'm a long-time lurker with an opportunity to 
acquire a BX-100 for $30 from a pawn shop. The exterior is in good shape, but 
am wondering about the tape transport. All lights work, I can hear 
solenoid/relays operate when pushing various play/ff/rewind, but the tape 
doesn't move but a couple of inches before disengaging.... My question is, is 
this deck worth picking up on the chance that the fix is pretty easy or am I 
looking at a gear upgrade plus more to fix?? Any advice or information would 
be gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance!

                                                                              
                        Brian
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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Thu Oct  5 16:21:50 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:21:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 pawnshop special
References: <a2.a52347a.270dda6c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39DC8E7E.B9B6FDB5@chello.at>

Hi Brian,

I suppose that there is an idler problem - updating to gear driven transport (if
possible - Stephen?) in my opinion is not necessary.
To change the idler is very simple an cheap - about $3 (paid this for my BX125 and did
it by myself)

Wolfgang



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From raah at concentric.net  Thu Oct  5 16:29:14 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:29:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Rubinstein
References: <000101c02e30$0c1fea60$4527883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <39DC903A.9DA1A2DB@concentric.net>


Graham,

Actually, a music fan. Rubinstein was a great Chopin
interpreter, but by no means the only great one. I
do enjoy Chopin and have recordings of much of his
output. Waltzes with Rubinstein (LP). Ballads with
Rubinstein and Arrau (LP), Zimerman and Ashkenazi (CD)
and Moravec (tape). Nocturnes, mazurkas and Polonaises
with Rubinstein (CDs). Preludes with Jablonsky (so-so),
Polini (excellent) and Argerich (superb). Etudes with
Jablonsky (CD) and Polini (LP). Finally, the concertos
with Ohlson (LPs) and Ax (tape). Of course, several
recital recordings, bits and pieces one accumulates
over the years. Let me know if anything strikes your
fancy. Personally, I would love to locate any Chopin
with Moravec -- the copies I have are of extremely
poor quality.

In all, I have about 750 LPs (shows my age, I guess),
mostly classical with a heavy emphasize on opera but
also, quite a few musical shows. Also, a couple of
hundred CDs and a similar number of cassettes. Also,
about 250 VLDs and about 250 S-VHS cassettes. I've
started to collect DVDs and have about two dozen so
far. 

-- Ron


Graham Nelson wrote:
> 
> Ron
> 
> A Rubinstein fan?  Good man!  My VERY favourite Chopin interpreter.  Perhaps
> we should compare Rubinstein record collections and see if there is room for
> swapping recordings???
> 
> Graham
> 
> > The last LP I bought (Rubinstein playing Chopin's
> > Ballads) was described as 'near mint' with the word
> > 'wonderful' appearing three times in the two line
> > description.
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From nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  5 16:48:17 2000
From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <LAW-F1244n1hUOM9Ku70000b2d9@hotmail.com>

I die !!!

Matyas

>From: "Norman van Wijnen"

>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
>How low can a firm go
>
>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a 
>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby 
>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the 
>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the 
>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts 
>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is 
>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization 
>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
>Norman

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From nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  5 16:48:40 2000
From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:40 CEST
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <LAW-F55DW6lCPx33E1i00004d58@hotmail.com>

I die !!!

Matyas

>From: "Norman van Wijnen"

>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
>How low can a firm go
>
>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a 
>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby 
>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the 
>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the 
>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts 
>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is 
>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization 
>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
>Norman

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From nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  5 16:49:08 2000
From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:49:08 CEST
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <LAW-F88bhyF2fPmsSVh000042d5@hotmail.com>

I die !!!

Matyas

>From: "Norman van Wijnen"

>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>
>How low can a firm go
>
>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a 
>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby 
>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the 
>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the 
>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts 
>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is 
>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization 
>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>
>
>Norman

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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 17:28:15 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:28:15 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <c.b823354.270df80f@aol.com>


In a message dated 10/5/00 5:05:10 AM, targowski at mediaone.net writes:

<< Raul, that's a good one.


I think time will show. I can see some "honest" seller on e-Bay in 2002

selling: "Nakamichi DR-5 E, meticulously engineered special edition deck,

fourth best only to Dragon, CR7 A, and BX300 E ... " >>

Hahahahahahah!! No, THAT'S a good one!!

Rob
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From marc at stager.com  Thu Oct  5 17:31:22 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:31:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review (and others)
In-Reply-To: <20001005105724.24206.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005111955.00c10d80@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/5/00, you wrote:
 >Dear Naktalkers!
 >
 >In TAS review of ZX-7 deck placed to FTP Naks server the author mentioned the
 >review of 700 model made by The Absolute Sound earlier.
 >
 >Maybe anybody has this issue and can place this review to FTP server? Or just
 >tell me the issue number. Thanks a lot.
 >
 >Nicholas.
=================================

One mo' time:

Stereophile reviews:
  Nakamichi 700:    vol. III # 7
  Nakamichi 680:    vol.   V #10 and vol. VI # 1
  Nakamichi ZX7     vol  VII # 1 and # 6
  Nakamichi Dragon  Vol  VII # 6

The Absolute Sound reviews:
  Nakamichi 700      # 6
  Nakamichi ZX-7     #30  (already uploaded)
  TAS index shows Dragon review in issue #50 but it
  is not there.)

If anyone has these, scan them as GIFs at 300 resolution
and attach them in email to me and I'll make PDF's and
upload them.

Size is no problem, zipping right along with DSL.

________________ Marc Stager
Marc at Stager.com

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From marc at stager.com  Thu Oct  5 17:33:44 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:33:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
In-Reply-To: <LAW-F1244n1hUOM9Ku70000b2d9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005113250.00bfa100@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/5/00, you wrote:
 >I die !!!
 >
 >Matyas

Matyas, keep your cat off your computer before
he posts this six more times!

________________ Marc

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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Thu Oct  5 18:34:13 2000
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:34:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak 600 Owners Manual to PDF
References: <026201c0290d$f635ab80$7293bccf@sank1> <39D53DD1.B87BBFE7@com2com.ru> <003a01c02be6$9ab48c50$bd496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <39DCAD83.8B7087A@sprintmail.com>

Hi All,

I have scanned the 600 Owners Manual and have the pages saved as Uncompressed TIFF
(large) files as well as PICT (smaller) files. If there is someone who can take these
files and convert them to PDF format for uploading to the FTP site, please contact me.
I will b e glad to send them to you either as e-mail attachments or I can send you a
ZIP (Mac) Disk.

Videovern

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Thu Oct  5 19:46:56 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:46:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
References: <LAW-F88bhyF2fPmsSVh000042d5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003501c02ef4$41ba4c00$568955c3@asuscubx>

Well now we can tell our children about an old Tapedeck brand who made real
tapedecks in earlier days.
I think i know , that meens getting older...

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Matyas <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck


> I die !!!
>
> Matyas
>
> >From: "Norman van Wijnen"
>
> >Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
> >
> >How low can a firm go
> >
> >DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> >The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> >meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
> >HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
> >Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the
> >CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts
> >the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is
> >automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and
bias/equalization
> >selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
> >
> >
> >Norman
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Thu Oct  5 19:49:08 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:49:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak 600 Owners Manual to PDF
References: <026201c0290d$f635ab80$7293bccf@sank1> <39D53DD1.B87BBFE7@com2com.ru> <003a01c02be6$9ab48c50$bd496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <39DCAD83.8B7087A@sprintmail.com>
Message-ID: <004201c02ef4$90866a80$568955c3@asuscubx>

Hello Vern

I'll be glad to make a pdf of it and upload it to the ftp server

Maybe we can communicate about that using my email

n.van.wijnen at castel.nl

Greetings Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Vern Hanson <cvshanson at sprintmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 6:34 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak 600 Owners Manual to PDF


> Hi All,
>
> I have scanned the 600 Owners Manual and have the pages saved as
Uncompressed TIFF
> (large) files as well as PICT (smaller) files. If there is someone who can
take these
> files and convert them to PDF format for uploading to the FTP site, please
contact me.
> I will b e glad to send them to you either as e-mail attachments or I can
send you a
> ZIP (Mac) Disk.
>
> Videovern
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct  5 20:15:22 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:15:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005113250.00bfa100@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <000801c02ef8$3a1fbee0$ef3d883e@a4s1s2>

No Marc - Matyas is dying Shakespeare style ... you have to repeat the fact
that you are about to snuff it at least 6 times before you go!  Man, that's
art!!!

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Marc Stager
> Sent: 05 October 2000 16:34
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
>
> At 10/5/00, you wrote:
>  >I die !!!
>  >
>  >Matyas
>
> Matyas, keep your cat off your computer before
> he posts this six more times!
>
> ________________ Marc
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 20:29:22 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:29:22 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
Message-ID: <a5.c001a9b.270e2282@aol.com>

Man...Graham, that's really f*****' funny! 

California John.
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  5 23:04:21 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:04:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Help : dbx 118
References: <B5DDC355.32B2%eddy.pollet@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE47BFWf0arGHkm00002154@hotmail.com>

Hi Naktalkers

I purshase some days ago a dynamic compressor / expander DBX 118.
One of the two VCA card is defective (loud distortion) due to the probable
death of a FET 2sk30.

Does anyone own its sevice manual ?
I need it /or guidance help, because someone have turn the wax-sealed
potentiometers and I dont trust the accuracy of the whole adjustments in my
unit.

Many thanks for your help !

Matyas Csillagi

PS : what is a QUAD. COUPLER ??





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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Fri Oct  6 01:10:20 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:10:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
Message-ID: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com>

This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.  DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???

Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family name.  Aieeeeee!!!!

Blues

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>
>Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
>From: "Matyas" <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>
>I die !!!
>
>Matyas
>
>>From: "Norman van Wijnen"
>
>>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>>
>>How low can a firm go
>>
>>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a 
>>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby 
>>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the 
>>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the 
>>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts 
>>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is 
>>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization 
>>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>>
>>
>>Norman
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>End of naktalk-digest V2 #406
>*****************************
>
>


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 01:57:06 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:57:06 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
Message-ID: <012501c02f27$f823ce20$7293bccf@sank1>

Anybody remember the dreadful CP-1 cd/tape player & it's matching RS-1
receiver?  The DR-5 at least doesn't seem to be as horrible as those were.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: Mr Blues <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:37 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


>This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
>Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
>Blues
>
>---
>Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
>>From: "Matyas" <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
>>
>>I die !!!
>>
>>Matyas
>>
>>>From: "Norman van Wijnen"
>>
>>>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
>>>
>>>How low can a firm go
>>>
>>>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
>>>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
>>>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
>>>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
>>>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the
>>>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts
>>>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is
>>>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and
bias/equalization
>>>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
>>>
>>>
>>>Norman
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>End of naktalk-digest V2 #406
>>*****************************
>>
>>
>
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Oct  6 02:39:36 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:39:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak. sign
References: <012501c02f27$f823ce20$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <002001c02f2d$e7ea2710$c8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Steve,  I just tried to get this for you but was already outbid.  It would
look nice on the wall in NM.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=459750886


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From raah at concentric.net  Fri Oct  6 03:49:47 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:49:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <39DD2FBB.5D1DEA51@concentric.net>


"disappointing news"? You know, I am not
surprised...

Over the years, I have had little contact with
Nakamichi. I would need a part, give them a call
and a week later would have it in my hand.

Recently, I needed a cassette well bulb. This is
a tiny affair, not available anywhere locally. I
called Nakamichi parts. There was no one there,
so I left a voice mail message, asking them to
return my call. Two days, later, and no call, so
I called again. There was no one there and I
left another message. To be on the safe side, I
also sent an email. To make a long story short,
no one *ever* returned my calls or answered my
emails. After quite a while and many more calls,
I finally got a live body on the line. The part
turned out to be ridiculously expensive, because
they no longer supply the bulb alone -- it now
comes with the colored cap and metal holder (that
I didn't need). They took another few days to
just ship the part. It arrived almost a month
after my first call.

I could cite another story, but you get the idea.

-- Ron


The BlueSwapper wrote:
> 
> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.  DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
> 
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
> 
> Blues
> 
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> 
> >
> >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
> >From: "Matyas" <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
> >
> >I die !!!
> >
> >Matyas
> >
> >>From: "Norman van Wijnen"
> >
> >>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
> >>
> >>How low can a firm go
> >>
> >>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> >>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> >>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and Dolby
> >>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
> >>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into the
> >>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically adopts
> >>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is
> >>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and bias/equalization
> >>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
> >>
> >>
> >>Norman
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >End of naktalk-digest V2 #406
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> >
> >
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From enoyes at snet.net  Fri Oct  6 03:52:51 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:52:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] new deck
References: <d9.a702fad.270d6e2c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39DD3070.7CA2D654@snet.net>

In actuality, the cassette is dying in the studio environment in general. with a lack
of SMPTE time code editing capability, the cassette medium has no place in today's
video production environment. Likewise, radio spots are typically run off of CD-R's...
even 1/4" open reel as a delivery medium is virtually non-existent. And the cassette
really had no place for studio mastering in the literal sense at any time as the
venerable CR7 will not hold a candle to a Studer A80 analog mastering deck at 30IPS.
The only place where the cassette does fit in is for artists to be able to walk away
with pre-final mastered two track mixes for evaluation... and even at that, we're
running more and more one of CD-R's from DAT backup masters. Believe me when I say
it's a dying medium in general (which I still do and always will love).

Ed

SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:

> Actually,  when you think about it NAK could re-enter the professional studio
> and prosumer market.  TASCAM is there due to their reliability.   NAK made an
> ill-faded attempt with the MR-1.  A CR-7a with the durability of a TASCAM 122
> MKIII.  That would require a new commitment and dedication to analog tape
> recording that doesn't seem to exist at NAK anymore.  If you could produce
> the sound that the CR-7 produces inside of a TASCAM 122, it would be an ideal
> deck that would span multiple applications from studio mastering, radio and
> television production, to the high-end home audio enthusiasts.  Just a
> thought.
>
> -Sam
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From MikeSwank at aol.com  Fri Oct  6 04:34:02 2000
From: MikeSwank at aol.com (MikeSwank at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:34:02 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Used Naks for Sale
Message-ID: <50.bb99055.270e941a@aol.com>

Check out this site for used Naks.  with warranty

http://saturdayaudio.com/usedgear.htm
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Fri Oct  6 04:37:31 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:37:31 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Have you guys checked out the CM-5?
Message-ID: <31.b0b918c.270e94eb@aol.com>

Hi Graham,

Deal!
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Fri Oct  6 05:30:04 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:30:04 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question
Message-ID: <2b.ba1b517.270ea13c@aol.com>

Hi Nak Talkers,

Does anyone own any of the Nak Soundspace systems?  There seems to always be 
an awful large number of these systems for sale on eBay.  Although I am not 
familiar with them, they do resemble the Bang & Olfusen Beosound gear.  Is 
the Soundspace gear "junk?"  And, btw - I really liked the sound from the B&O 
Beosound 6000 speakers and 4000 system.  However, it was poorly made (e.g. 
cheap plastic).  And, for the price I was really disappointed.  Does anyone 
on this list use B&O? You can respond to me directly as the list is dedicated 
to NAK.  Thanks!

-Sam 
I will have my CR-7 soon man!
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 06:05:42 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:05:42 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nak. sign
Message-ID: <014f01c02f4a$b2d59100$7293bccf@sank1>

Thanks for trying.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
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-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:03 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak. sign


>Steve,  I just tried to get this for you but was already outbid.  It would
>look nice on the wall in NM.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=459750886
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 06:28:33 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:28:33 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question
Message-ID: <017b01c02f4d$e3b74540$7293bccf@sank1>

The only Soundspace I have seen the inside of is the original Soundspace 7,
from about 8 years ago.  It was actually a very nice unit.  Essentially a
CDPlayer3 rearranged to fit, along with a receiver on a par with the
Receiver3.  One of the only "compact" systems I honestly wouldn't mind
having.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com <SBarr12393 at aol.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:53 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question


>Hi Nak Talkers,
>
>Does anyone own any of the Nak Soundspace systems?  There seems to always
be
>an awful large number of these systems for sale on eBay.  Although I am not
>familiar with them, they do resemble the Bang & Olfusen Beosound gear.  Is
>the Soundspace gear "junk?"  And, btw - I really liked the sound from the
B&O
>Beosound 6000 speakers and 4000 system.  However, it was poorly made (e.g.
>cheap plastic).  And, for the price I was really disappointed.  Does anyone
>on this list use B&O? You can respond to me directly as the list is
dedicated
>to NAK.  Thanks!
>
>-Sam
>I will have my CR-7 soon man!
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Fri Oct  6 06:32:15 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:32:15 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question
Message-ID: <cc.aec8021.270eafcf@aol.com>

Thanks!
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From marc at stager.com  Fri Oct  6 07:05:04 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 01:05:04 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Used Naks for Sale
In-Reply-To: <50.bb99055.270e941a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001006010226.00c22100@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/5/00, MikeSwank at aol.com wrote:
 >Check out this site for used Naks. with warranty
 >http://saturdayaudio.com/usedgear.htm

============================
I can personally vouch for these folks.

I've dealt with them on several occasions and the used
merchandise was excellent and came very nicely packed.

___________________________ Marc Stager

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  6 11:02:59 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:02:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE3Boe2U8QVjp3b0000010e@hotmail.com>

I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!!!!!
I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.

Man !

The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :

Niro Nakamichi
Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
100460.1126 at compuserve.com

I found him at :
http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F

Wouldn't be so great that he suscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ?
Niro ! if you are down there, let me know!!!!

Thy devoted Nakamikaze


----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>

> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
> Blues




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From targowski at mediaone.net  Fri Oct  6 14:32:39 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:32:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
In-Reply-To: <LAW-OE3Boe2U8QVjp3b0000010e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGGEOCCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

We all thought you were dead ... What a relief ...

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Matyas
Sent: Fri, October 06, 2000 4:03 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!!!!!
I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.

Man !

The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :

Niro Nakamichi
Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
100460.1126 at compuserve.com

I found him at :
http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F

Wouldn't be so great that he suscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ?
Niro ! if you are down there, let me know!!!!

Thy devoted Nakamikaze


----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>

> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
> Blues




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From eriep at stewstras.net  Fri Oct  6 14:45:00 2000
From: eriep at stewstras.net (Erie Patsellis)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:45:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com> <LAW-OE3Boe2U8QVjp3b0000010e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006101c02f93$3e190920$0400a8c0@design>

And you should see the upcoming Nero Preamp and amp.. amplifiers look like
nuclear reactors, unfortuantely due to confidentiality agreements, I
couldn't take pix of them.:(

erie

: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


> I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!!!!!
> I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.
>
> Man !
>
> The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :
>
> Niro Nakamichi
> Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
> 100460.1126 at compuserve.com



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From longrifles at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 14:52:01 2000
From: longrifles at yahoo.com (Ryan McNabb)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: used BX-300 on ebay
Message-ID: <20001006125201.12733.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com>

There's a BX-300 on ebay that looks pretty good, but it's
missing the tape well cover door and an internal covering plate
of some kind.  Has anyone seen this listing?  Are these parts
difficult to find for replacement?  It looks as though it will
probably sell for a pretty low bid, maybe less than I paid for
my BX-100.  Is the 300 definitely a better deck due to its
3-head configuration, or are there other issues at play with
this deck?

Thanks
Ryan McNabb

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From longrifles at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 15:09:24 2000
From: longrifles at yahoo.com (Ryan McNabb)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Moravec/Chopin
Message-ID: <20001006130924.19605.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ron <raah at concentric.net> wrote:
Personally, I would love to locate any Chopin
> with Moravec -- the copies I have are of extremely
> poor quality.

I have a boxed set of Moravec playing Chopin (on LP) from when I
was a child, virtually unplayed.  All the Balades, Nocturnes,
and Preludes.  I was so into my Moravec Beethoven that I never
listened to the Chopin much.  So anyway, if you would like, I
can get this taped for you, or if you would prefer I can send
the LP's to you carefully packed and you can tape them on your
own equipment, which you might prefer.  Just send them back when
you're done.  

Cheers
Ryan McNabb

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From brianm at grar.com  Fri Oct  6 15:16:32 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:16:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com> <39DD2FBB.5D1DEA51@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <005701c02f97$a6fdec40$5e021fac@brianm>

I too had terrible service from Nakamichi Ron.  I sent a TD-700 to them to
be gone through, it took three months and I called and called and called.
What was frustrating was that I would call, I would be told they had to talk
with the technician and would call me back, they never called me back, this
happened at least 5 times!  I called once an received voice mail, I left a
message and expressed my frustration, I received no call back, as I had
requesed.

Brian Miller
Michigan

Romans 10:9-10
...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


>
> "disappointing news"? You know, I am not
> surprised...
>
> Over the years, I have had little contact with
> Nakamichi. I would need a part, give them a call
> and a week later would have it in my hand.
>
> Recently, I needed a cassette well bulb. This is
> a tiny affair, not available anywhere locally. I
> called Nakamichi parts. There was no one there,
> so I left a voice mail message, asking them to
> return my call. Two days, later, and no call, so
> I called again. There was no one there and I
> left another message. To be on the safe side, I
> also sent an email. To make a long story short,
> no one *ever* returned my calls or answered my
> emails. After quite a while and many more calls,
> I finally got a live body on the line. The part
> turned out to be ridiculously expensive, because
> they no longer supply the bulb alone -- it now
> comes with the colored cap and metal holder (that
> I didn't need). They took another few days to
> just ship the part. It arrived almost a month
> after my first call.
>
> I could cite another story, but you get the idea.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> The BlueSwapper wrote:
> >
> > This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
> >
> > Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
> >
> > Blues
> >
> > ---
> > Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> > >
> > >Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:48:17 CEST
> > >From: "Matyas" <nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] new deck
> > >
> > >I die !!!
> > >
> > >Matyas
> > >
> > >>From: "Norman van Wijnen"
> > >
> > >>Well Well a Nakamichi with auto reverse and Dolby HX Pro
> > >>
> > >>How low can a firm go
> > >>
> > >>DR-5 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK (optional)
> > >>The DR-5 is a front-loading single-well 2-head cassette deck with a
> > >>meticulously engineered auto-reverse mechanism, Dolby-B and -C NR and
Dolby
> > >>HX Pro to increase treble dynamic range, and most importantly, the
> > >>Nakamichi heritage. Like the MD-5, the DR-5 integrates perfectly into
the
> > >>CMS-5 system. When used with the CD-5 CD Player, it automatically
adopts
> > >>the optimum recording level to transfer CDs to tape and startup is
> > >>automatic! Of course, manual control of record level and
bias/equalization
> > >>selection for normal, high and metal tape are included too
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Norman
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #406
> > >*****************************
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Fri Oct  6 15:48:08 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:48:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
Message-ID: <s9dd91e8.049@WORF.anderson.edu>

Stephen,

Yes, they did show a view of the assembly containing the two BK-6B mics.  They listed the frequency response as 80 Hz to 12,000 Hz, which is more than adequate for its intended purpose of speech pickup.  It is disappointing they did not include a picture of the dual XLR connector end.  Was the mic end hardwired or did it have a five pin configured XLR?  

Sorry for the delay in response.  I was about to send a message to Wouter asking if I had been dropped from the mailing list; three messages in two days.  This morning I had over 80 messages, mostly naktalk, with the naktalk messages not being in chronological order.  I know we have been having problems with our network on campus.  Napster and programs like that have been heavily used in the past couple weeks.  There have even been video files (whole movies) downloaded on our single T-1 line, which serves the whole campus.  Even if we get the proposed second T-1 line, the forty, or so, students using these bandwidth-hogging programs bring the network to its knees.  We have been adding filers to the router to block known sites for these downloads, but operating peer-to-peer makes it difficult to keep up with the filters.  We are adding filters every few hours.

Best to all,

Kent Merideth

>>> stephen_sank at rjknet.net 10/04/00 07:20PM >>>
I haven't received my comp copies of this month's EQ yet.  I am disappointed
to hear that the photographer did not include the end of the cable in the
picture.  The last six inches or so of the fat brown cable sprouts two
separate cables with ordinary XLR plugs.  Did he at least take a pic of the
mic with the top off, showing the two BK-6B mics?  It's a very cool bit of
nylon machining housing them.  The funny part is that the BK-6B, even in
this application, sounds way better than an actual BK-1A, which is a pretty
dreadful sounding dynamic mic.  Not one of my dad's designs, of course.
As for ribbon mic fragility, I have only seen ribbon elements damaged by
either idiots blowing into them or by plugging into an active phantom
powered line.  I've seen 77-DX's dropped on their heads with the screen
cages caved in that sounded perfectly fine.  Even the most extreme impact,
short of shattering a magnet, is very unlikely to hurt a ribbon, as the
aluminum is so thin that there is efectively no inertial mass(main reason
ribbons sound so natural).  The spec for the BK11 ribbon material, for
instance, is 14.5mg per four square inches of material, or about 3.6mg per
square inch.  Very hard to hold between your fingers without tearing.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine


>Hello all,
>
>Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about the
RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for
the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In any
broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which means
two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with
placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single
housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was accustomed
to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two
conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two
elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the
back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was
accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R.
Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.
>
>Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?
Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is through
your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon
mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they
could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically
handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the element
withstood a considerable amount of shock.
>
>Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still
record on-location using various microphones.
>
>Help keep analog (sound) alive!
>
>Kent Merideth
>
>>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
>Hi all!
>
>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
>for moving to another building.
>I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
>network/firewall being available in the new building.
>So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)
>
>Wouter
>
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From eslabs at snet.net  Fri Oct  6 17:40:24 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:40:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question
References: <2b.ba1b517.270ea13c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009a01c02fab$c0830920$6401a8c0@2ndpc>

Sam,

I just came back from visiting Nakamichi this week.
The SoundSpace was designed after the B&O stuff!
B&O cancelled all their independent dealers last year.
They are only selling product through their B&O stores.
Nakamichi hired an ex-president of B&O to help with
the designs and marketing of the SoundSpace systems. 
The ebay sales go to the closest dealer to the purchaser.
Nakamichi wants to support their dealers.  I saw the 
insides and they look nice.  The B&O's are built like
German gear.  Real nice!!

We are factory authorized B&O service and have been
for over 25 years.  I assume that you have a  BS4000
not a BM4000?  Yes, it's plastic but high-tech plastic!


Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

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ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <SBarr12393 at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:30 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Soundspace Question


Hi Nak Talkers,

Does anyone own any of the Nak Soundspace systems?  There seems to always be 
an awful large number of these systems for sale on eBay.  Although I am not 
familiar with them, they do resemble the Bang & Olfusen Beosound gear.  Is 
the Soundspace gear "junk?"  And, btw - I really liked the sound from the B&O 
Beosound 6000 speakers and 4000 system.  However, it was poorly made (e.g. 
cheap plastic).  And, for the price I was really disappointed.  Does anyone 
on this list use B&O? You can respond to me directly as the list is dedicated 
to NAK.  Thanks!

-Sam 
I will have my CR-7 soon man!
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From eslabs at snet.net  Fri Oct  6 17:59:53 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:59:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
References: <JLBFOMLJPJCJGAAA@angelfire.com> <LAW-OE3Boe2U8QVjp3b0000010e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c02fae$b8a96ca0$6401a8c0@2ndpc>

This is his email!!

info at niro.net 

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

"Nakamichi Serviced Here" by the experts at
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....


I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!!!!!
I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.

Man !

The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :

Niro Nakamichi
Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
100460.1126 at compuserve.com

I found him at :
http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F

Wouldn't be so great that he suscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ?
Niro ! if you are down there, let me know!!!!

Thy devoted Nakamikaze


----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>

> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his family ceremonial sword if he
was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family
name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
> Blues




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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 19:16:55 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:16:55 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
Message-ID: <001501c02fb9$3a831be0$7293bccf@sank1>

It has a pair of ordinary 3 pin XLR plugs at the end.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine


>Stephen,
>
>Yes, they did show a view of the assembly containing the two BK-6B mics.
They listed the frequency response as 80 Hz to 12,000 Hz, which is more than
adequate for its intended purpose of speech pickup.  It is disappointing
they did not include a picture of the dual XLR connector end.  Was the mic
end hardwired or did it have a five pin configured XLR?
>
>Sorry for the delay in response.  I was about to send a message to Wouter
asking if I had been dropped from the mailing list; three messages in two
days.  This morning I had over 80 messages, mostly naktalk, with the naktalk
messages not being in chronological order.  I know we have been having
problems with our network on campus.  Napster and programs like that have
been heavily used in the past couple weeks.  There have even been video
files (whole movies) downloaded on our single T-1 line, which serves the
whole campus.  Even if we get the proposed second T-1 line, the forty, or
so, students using these bandwidth-hogging programs bring the network to its
knees.  We have been adding filers to the router to block known sites for
these downloads, but operating peer-to-peer makes it difficult to keep up
with the filters.  We are adding filters every few hours.
>
>Best to all,
>
>Kent Merideth
>
>>>> stephen_sank at rjknet.net 10/04/00 07:20PM >>>
>I haven't received my comp copies of this month's EQ yet.  I am
disappointed
>to hear that the photographer did not include the end of the cable in the
>picture.  The last six inches or so of the fat brown cable sprouts two
>separate cables with ordinary XLR plugs.  Did he at least take a pic of the
>mic with the top off, showing the two BK-6B mics?  It's a very cool bit of
>nylon machining housing them.  The funny part is that the BK-6B, even in
>this application, sounds way better than an actual BK-1A, which is a pretty
>dreadful sounding dynamic mic.  Not one of my dad's designs, of course.
>As for ribbon mic fragility, I have only seen ribbon elements damaged by
>either idiots blowing into them or by plugging into an active phantom
>powered line.  I've seen 77-DX's dropped on their heads with the screen
>cages caved in that sounded perfectly fine.  Even the most extreme impact,
>short of shattering a magnet, is very unlikely to hurt a ribbon, as the
>aluminum is so thin that there is efectively no inertial mass(main reason
>ribbons sound so natural).  The spec for the BK11 ribbon material, for
>instance, is 14.5mg per four square inches of material, or about 3.6mg per
>square inch.  Very hard to hold between your fingers without tearing.
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphone article in EQ Magazine
>
>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>Last night I read an article in the October issue of EQ Magazine about the
>RCA "LBJ" Microphone.  Seems Lyndon Banes Johnson had a great dislike for
>the "clutter" of microphones at any podium at which he was to speak.  In
any
>broadcast situation it is MANDATORY that there be a back-up mic, which
means
>two microphones.  RCA had a very ingenious designer that came up with
>placing two complete RCA BK-6B miniature dynamic lavalier mics in a single
>housing that appeared to be similar to their BK-1A, which LBJ was
accustomed
>to using.  The cable was even designed to look like the "standard" two
>conductor shielded (now four conductor shielded) mic cable.  The two
>elements, each having their dedicated shielded pair wiring, allowed the
>back-up mic to be in the same housing as the primary mic.  This was
>accomplished, during the 1964 re-election campaign, by a man named Jon R.
>Sank, the father of Stephen Sank.
>>
>>Stephen, how was the pre-amp/mixer end of the mic cable connectorized?
>Possibly two 3-pin XLRs?  Presume your expertise with ribbon mics is
through
>your Dad's many years of designing microphones for RCA, including ribbon
>mics.  I believe the "fragile" reputation of ribbon mics is due to they
>could be damaged by someone blowing into the mic, not from physically
>handling the mic roughly.  Believe the mechanical suspension of the element
>withstood a considerable amount of shock.
>>
>>Just a little microphone history/nostalgia for those of us that still
>record on-location using various microphones.
>>
>>Help keep analog (sound) alive!
>>
>>Kent Merideth
>>
>>>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/03/00 06:04AM >>>
>>Hi all!
>>
>>From Oct 20 until Oct 24 Naks.com will be down due to the company I work
>>for moving to another building.
>>I hope the site will be down for less time but this depends on the
>>network/firewall being available in the new building.
>>So write this in your agenda and/or plan a Holiday ;-)
>>
>>Wouter
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct  6 19:49:37 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:49:37 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: used BX-300 on ebay
Message-ID: <005601c02fbd$cc501a60$7293bccf@sank1>

The cassette well plate should be no problem to get, but it is doubtful that
you'll be able to get a door from Nak.  At least you can easily see that it
needs the gear upgrade!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan McNabb <longrifles at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 06, 2000 7:24 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: used BX-300 on ebay


>There's a BX-300 on ebay that looks pretty good, but it's
>missing the tape well cover door and an internal covering plate
>of some kind.  Has anyone seen this listing?  Are these parts
>difficult to find for replacement?  It looks as though it will
>probably sell for a pretty low bid, maybe less than I paid for
>my BX-100.  Is the 300 definitely a better deck due to its
>3-head configuration, or are there other issues at play with
>this deck?
>
>Thanks
>Ryan McNabb
>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Oct  7 01:05:07 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:05:07 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak(amikazie) Decks....
Message-ID: <LGKNBHCFLOAOGAAA@angelfire.com>

Matyas!  Clever new Nak(fanatic) email address you've got now!!!  Very clever......

Thank goodness you're both alive and kicking!  Actually, I meant Niro Nakamichi's elder, who most likely would have fallen upon the ceremonial sword if his family name was disgraced.  Simply some humorous wordplay on my part, no harm intended.  I certainly don't wish to be disrespectful to a living legend of audio technology development, who has done so many great and innovative things during the past decades.

My apologies, if Mr Nakamichi happens to see this NakTalk email message in the future.  Matyas, you should email him and invite him to join us.  Wouldn't that be something if he subscribed......

Blues

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:02:59 +0200
From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....

I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!
I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.

Man !

The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :

Niro Nakamichi
Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
100460.1126 at compuserve.com

I found him at :
                   http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F

Wouldn't be so great that he subscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ? Niro ! if you are down there, let me know!!!!

Thy devoted Nakamikaze


----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>

> This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years. DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
>
> Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his ceremonial sword if he was alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family name.  Aieeeeee!!!!
>
> Blues
>
>






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From enoyes at snet.net  Sat Oct  7 05:47:26 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 23:47:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Used BX-300 on ebay w/no door
References: <20001006125201.12733.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39DE9CCB.C5B6F9E1@snet.net>

Ryan,

Here's an idea... take door and plate from your BX100... I'm almost positive that both are
identical. Then you'll have much better BX300 that's complete.

Ed

Ryan McNabb wrote:

> There's a BX-300 on ebay that looks pretty good, but it's
> missing the tape well cover door and an internal covering plate
> of some kind.  Has anyone seen this listing?  Are these parts
> difficult to find for replacement?  It looks as though it will
> probably sell for a pretty low bid, maybe less than I paid for
> my BX-100.  Is the 300 definitely a better deck due to its
> 3-head configuration, or are there other issues at play with
> this deck?
>
> Thanks
> Ryan McNabb
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  7 17:58:33 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:58:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
Message-ID: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com>

Hello,

Some times ago the fluorescent meter of my 680ZX was getting flickering in
the low level segments for about ~10 minutes, then after I power off my deck
and I re turn it on,
the meter was just able to produce  a very dim light before it goes off.

39 V zener diode is KO as well as the transistor 2sa473.

I already replace the transistor, but I dont have 39 V zener diode.
I have in my hand 16 V and 24 V zener to put in serial, then I will have a
40V polarisation.

I want to know if this 1 volt difference can be harmfull to the display
before I install them.

I bet the electrons will be apealled stronger, and as a result the light
intensity will increase slightly.
and I want also to know what is the lifetime of fluorescent powder in such
an unit ...

Thanks for your advice :-)

Matyas

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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct  7 19:00:25 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:00:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net>

Matyas,

If the tolerance of the original Zener diode is 5% (I
am assuming 5%, because 2% diodes are considerably
more expensive), the circuit must be designed for any
voltage from 37.05V to 40.95V. If your Zeners are also
5%, it is possible (even likely) that their voltage is
less than 40.95V, so they are probably OK to use. Try
to connect your diodes and measure the voltage right
across the diodes. If it's within the range above, you
are fine. 

The display specification will generally include
operating voltage and maximum voltage. It is unlikely
that operating with 1V more (that's only 2.5% more) will
exceed the max specification. The display should survive
a quick measurement even if your diodes are actually 1V
too high. If you absolutely want to play it safe, do not
connect the display before applying power, or do the
measurement very quickly.

Good luck,

-- Ron


Matyas wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Some times ago the fluorescent meter of my 680ZX was getting flickering in
> the low level segments for about ~10 minutes, then after I power off my deck
> and I re turn it on,
> the meter was just able to produce  a very dim light before it goes off.
> 
> 39 V zener diode is KO as well as the transistor 2sa473.
> 
> I already replace the transistor, but I dont have 39 V zener diode.
> I have in my hand 16 V and 24 V zener to put in serial, then I will have a
> 40V polarisation.
> 
> I want to know if this 1 volt difference can be harmfull to the display
> before I install them.
> 
> I bet the electrons will be apealled stronger, and as a result the light
> intensity will increase slightly.
> and I want also to know what is the lifetime of fluorescent powder in such
> an unit ...
> 
> Thanks for your advice :-)
> 
> Matyas
> 
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sat Oct  7 20:14:22 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 22:14:22 +0400
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
References: <001801c02aa0$00c94be0$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39DF67FE.FC48B6EC@com2com.ru>

Can anybody of Nak-gurus lucidly explain to me the following:

1. What is 'bias trap' (or 'bias leakage') and 'recording equalization peaking'?

2. What is affected (and which way) by misadjusted coils for correction of the Rec.
Amp. bias Trap, Playb. Amp. bias trap and Rec. Equaliz. Peaking respectively?

Many thanks in advance

Nick
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  7 20:52:53 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 20:52:53 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com>

Thank you Ron, I will do it on monday night.
The cause of death of the display bias circuit is due to my experiment to
eliminate
the non acceptable noise my display produces in all the audio circuits.(a
high pitched hum noise)
very audible.
I was trying to filter the heater tension, with Pi filer and the noise was
louder than before,
even it was audible through the coils ...

After I done a mod, guided by my friend's 1000ZXL schematics, I find both
bias circuits identical
exept a filtering 100uF capacitor on -39v output and a 33k resistor coupling
both commons leads of
secondary coils of the power transformer.    I modify my deck by the way,
and no ameliorations occured.
So I tempt to fit a more effective capacitor 1500 uF 450V, and a slight step
forward was feel ...
But I bet the pollution source come from the heater 2.5V and the solution is
I think, to heat with DC current.

The display dies after ~2 day of use with the only 1000ZXL mod inside.

What did you think about that bloody noise ?

Matyas

Ron <raah at concentric.net> wrotes:
> Matyas,
>
> If the tolerance of the original Zener diode is 5% (I
> am assuming 5%, because 2% diodes are considerably
> more expensive), the circuit must be designed for any
> voltage from 37.05V to 40.95V. If your Zeners are also
> 5%, it is possible (even likely) that their voltage is
> less than 40.95V, so they are probably OK to use. Try
> to connect your diodes and measure the voltage right
> across the diodes. If it's within the range above, you
> are fine.
>
> The display specification will generally include
> operating voltage and maximum voltage. It is unlikely
> that operating with 1V more (that's only 2.5% more) will
> exceed the max specification. The display should survive
> a quick measurement even if your diodes are actually 1V
> too high. If you absolutely want to play it safe, do not
> connect the display before applying power, or do the
> measurement very quickly.
>
> Good luck,
>
> -- Ron
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  7 21:07:15 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:07:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak(amikazie) Decks....
Message-ID: <LAW-OE19aSOiz8JDx2I00000da5@hotmail.com>

Blues, I think that the honour to invite Niro Nakamichi among us belong to
our friend Wouter Heijke.

Matyas

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From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>; "Mr Blues"
<blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:05 AM
Subject: 

> Matyas!  Clever new Nak(fanatic) email address you've got now!!!  Very
clever......
>
> Thank goodness you're both alive and kicking!  Actually, I meant Niro
Nakamichi's elder, who most likely would have fallen upon the ceremonial
sword if his family name was disgraced.  Simply some humorous wordplay on my
part, no harm intended.  I certainly don't wish to be disrespectful to a
living legend of audio technology development, who has done so many great
and innovative things during the past decades.
>
> My apologies, if Mr Nakamichi happens to see this NakTalk email message in
the future.  Matyas, you should email him and invite him to join us.
Wouldn't that be something if he subscribed......
>
> Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:02:59 +0200
> From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Kamikazie Decks.....
>
> I can tell you Niro isn't dead yet !!!!!!!
> I have a try to reach if he had an E-mail.
>
> Man !
>
> The old & venerable master is to be found and contact there ! :
>
> Niro Nakamichi
> Kodaira-city, Tokyo, Japan
> 100460.1126 at compuserve.com
>
> I found him at :
>
http://people.yahoo.com/py/psEntry.py?srch=bas&slid=39DD91F0,1CC602F
>
> Wouldn't be so great that he subscribes to our Naktalk Mailinglist ? Niro
! if you are down there, let me know!!!!
>
> Thy devoted Nakamikaze
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
>
> > This is disappointing news.  Definately a stain upon the Nakamichi
reputation we all have looked upon favorably during the last thirty years.
DR-10, DR-8, DR-5, what could be coming next???
> >
> > Niro Nakamichi would certainly fall on his ceremonial sword if he was
alive and knew what kind of gear is being marketed under his family name.
Aieeeeee!!!!
> >
> > Blues


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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sat Oct  7 22:42:07 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:42:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
References: <001801c02aa0$00c94be0$7293bccf@sank1> <39DF67FE.FC48B6EC@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <001201c0309f$101c5740$0100007f@boom>

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������ ������ �������, �������� ��� ������������� ����!
� ������ ������:
> 1. What is 'bias trap' (or 'bias leakage') and 'recording equalization
peaking'?
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> 2. What is affected (and which way) by misadjusted coils for correction of
the Rec.
> Amp. bias Trap,

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:)

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From longrifles at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 22:23:34 2000
From: longrifles at yahoo.com (Ryan McNabb)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-1 vs. BX-100
Message-ID: <20001007202334.25463.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com>


Hey - 
I just got my new BX-1 and wanted to know the difference between
it and a BX-100 made a few years later.  Is there a
quality/sound difference between the two?  And what of the
BX-125?

Thanks
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct  7 22:40:51 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:40:51 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
In-Reply-To: <001201c0309f$101c5740$0100007f@boom>
Message-ID: <000c01c0309e$e1b25260$d831883e@a4s1s2>

What language is that?!  I suspect someone is using a Cyrillic character set
....

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 07 October 2000 21:42
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
>
>
> ðÒÉ×ÅÔ,
>
> þÕÀ, ÞÔÏ 600 ËÏ×ÙÒÑÅÛØ? îÅ ÓÔÏÉÔ, ÏÎ ×ÒÏÄÅ ÂÙÌ × ÈÏÒÏÛÅÊ ÆÏÒÍÅ.
> åÄÉÎÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÅ - ÔÙ ÎÁ×ÅÒÎÑËÁ Õ×ÉÄÅÌ Ä×Á ÓÔÁÂÉÌÉÔÒÏÎÁ - ÜÔÏ Ñ ÐÏÄÂÉÒÁÌ
> ÎÕÖÎÏÅ ÎÁÐÒÑÖÅÎÉÅ :) á ÉÚ ÒÅÇÕÌÉÒÏ×ÏË - ÏÊ, ÎÅ ÓÔÏÉÔ, ÅÊ ÂÏÇÕ, ÎÅ ÓÔÏÉÔ
> ÎÉÞÅÇÏ ÓÉÌØÎÏ ËÒÕÔÉÔØ, ÏÓÏÂÅÎÎÏ ÂÅÚ ÉÚÍÅÒÉÔÅÌØÎÙÈ ÌÅÎÔ!
> á ÔÅÐÅÒØ ÏÔ×ÅÔÙ:
> > 1. What is 'bias trap' (or 'bias leakage') and 'recording equalization
> peaking'?
> üÔÏ ÆÉÌØÔÒ ÎÁ ×ÙÈÏÄÅ õú, ÞÔÏÂÙ ÓÉÇÎÁÌ ÐÏÄÍÁÇÎÉÞÉ×ÁÎÉÑ ÎÅ ÐÒÏÌÁÚÉÌ × õú.
> åÇÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÎÁÓÔÒÁÉ×ÁÔØ ÎÁ ÍÉÎÉÍÕÍ ÐÅÒÅÍÅÎËÉ ÐÒÉ ×ËÌÀÞÅÎÏÊ ÚÁÐÉÓÉ É
> ÏÔÓÕÔÓÔ×ÉÉ ÓÉÇÎÁÌÁ.
> ÷ÔÏÒÏÊ - ÜÔÏ áþè ÐÒÅÄÉÓËÁÖÅÎÉÊ × õú.
>
> > 2. What is affected (and which way) by misadjusted coils for
> correction of
> the Rec.
> > Amp. bias Trap,
>
> õú ÂÕÄÅÔ ÓÅÂÑ ÐÌÏÈÏ ÞÕ×ÓÔ×Ï×ÁÔØ, ×ÓÑËÁÑ ËÁËÁ ÂÕÄÅÔ ÐÒÏÉÓÈÏÄÉÔØ.
>
> Playb. Amp. bias trap
>
> ÷ ÎÁÌÉÞÉÉ ÔÁËÏÊ ÆÉÞÉ Ñ ÎÅ Õ×ÅÒÅÎ - ÎÁÆÉÇÁ? æÉÌØÔÒ-ÐÒÏÂËÁ ÔÏÌØËÏ × õú
> ÓÔÁ×ÉÔÓÑ :)
>
> Rec. Equaliz. Peaking respectively?
>
> éÚÍÅÎÑÔÓÑ ÈÁÒÁËÔÅÒÉÓÔÉËÉ ÔÒÁËÔÁ ÚÁÐÉÓÉ, ÂÕÄÅÔ ÏÞÅÎØ ÓÌÏÖÎÏ ÐÒÁ×ÉÌØÎÏ
> ×ÙÓÔÁ×ÉÔØ
> ÐÏÄÍÁÇÎÉÞÉ×ÁÎÉÅ. ïÂÙÞÎÏ ÎÁ ÚÁ×ÏÄÅ áþè ÕÓÉÌÉÔÅÌÑ ÚÁÐÉÓÉ ÓÔÁ×ÑÔÓÑ
> ÐÏ ÜÔÁÌÏÎÎÏÊ
> ÌÅÎÔÅ. ôÅÂÅ ÓÁÍÏÍÕ ÐÒÁ×ÉÌØÎÏ ÎÅ ÎÁÓÔÒÏÉÔØ - ÔÁË ÞÔÏ, ÌÕÞÛÅ ÎÅ ËÒÕÔÉ.
>
> éÚ ÌÉÞÎÏÇÏ ÏÐÙÔÁ - ÎÅ ÓÔÏÉÔ ËÒÕÔÉÔØ ÎÉÞÅÇÏ, ËÒÏÍÅ ÕÒÏ×ÎÑ ÚÁÐÉÓÉ É ÔÏËÁ
> ÐÏÄÍÁÇÎÉÞÉ×ÁÎÉÑ -
> ÜÔÉ ÐÁÒÁÍÅÔÒÙ ÍÏÖÎÏ ×ÙÓÔÁ×ÌÑÔØ ÐÒÉ ÎÁÌÉÞÉÉ ÇÅÎÅÒÁÔÏÒÁ É ÍÉÌÉ×ÏÌØÔÍÅÔÒÁ.
> äÁÌÅÅ, ÅÓÌÉ ÅÓÔØ _ðòá÷éìøîáñ!!!_ ÔÅÓÔÏ×ÁÑ ÌÅÎÔÁ, ÔÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ×ÙÓÔÒÁÉ×ÁÔØ
> ÕÒÏ×ÅÎØ ×ÏÓÐÒÏÉÚ×ÅÄÅÎÉÑ, É ÅÓÌÉ ÅÓÔØ ÌÅÎÔÁ Ó ÐÁÞËÁÍÉ - ÔÏ ËÏÒÒÅËÃÉÀ
> ×ÏÓÐÒÏÉÚ×ÅÄÅÎÉÑ.
> äÁ, ÆÉÌØÔÒ ÐÒÏÂËÕ - ÐÏ ÍÉÎÉÍÕÍÕ ÐÒÏÎÉËÁÎÉÑ ÷þ ÓÉÇÎÁÌÁ ÎÁ ×ÙÈÏÄ õú.
> á ×ÏÔ ËÏÒÒÅËÃÉÀ õú - ÔÏÌØËÏ ÅÓÌÉ ÔÙ ÄÅÊÓÔ×ÉÔÅÌØÎÏ Õ×ÅÒÅÎ × ÔÏÍ,
> ÞÔÏ ÄÅÌÁÅÛØ
> :)
>
> íÉÛÁ
>
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sun Oct  8 00:45:48 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:45:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
References: <000c01c0309e$e1b25260$d831883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <005b01c030b0$578e6120$0100007f@boom>

Conspiracy, you know... KGB exploring new ways of sending messages
for secret Nakamichi agents :)

Sorry guys I just hit "replay" buttons...

> What language is that?!  I suspect someone is using a Cyrillic character
set
> ....
>
> Graham

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sun Oct  8 00:48:24 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:48:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-1 vs. BX-100
References: <20001007202334.25463.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006101c030b0$b5f0ac00$0100007f@boom>

Hi,

BX-1 and BX-100 practicaly identical. Different design. No sonical
or quality differences at all. BX-125 has "Dolby C".

Misha

> Hey - 
> I just got my new BX-1 and wanted to know the difference between
> it and a BX-100 made a few years later.  Is there a
> quality/sound difference between the two?  And what of the
> BX-125?
> 
> Thanks
> Ryan McNabb

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From kohnb at outrider.triton.net  Sun Oct  8 00:04:41 2000
From: kohnb at outrider.triton.net (kohnb at outrider.triton.net)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:04:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Couple quick questions re MR-1s/670ZX
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010071800510.23563-100000@outrider.triton.net>


Hi,

  These may be stupid questions to some of you but I've not found the
answers I'm looking for on Google.. hope someone can help a new Nak owner.

  1) Is the 1/4" XLR I/O on the MR-1 digital or analog?
  2) How does the MR-1 compare in sound quality to my 670ZX?

  3) What is a good way to check the condition of the heads in my 670ZX?
  4) If the answer to question 1 is analog, are there any cassette decks
	with digital I/O?

Thanks for any insight you folks can offer,
Ben

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sun Oct  8 01:26:19 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:26:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Couple quick questions re MR-1s/670ZX
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010071800510.23563-100000@outrider.triton.net>
Message-ID: <00e801c030b6$00f967a0$0100007f@boom>

Hi,

>   These may be stupid questions to some of you but I've not found the
> answers I'm looking for on Google.. hope someone can help a new Nak owner.
>
>   1) Is the 1/4" XLR I/O on the MR-1 digital or analog?

This is standard balansed analog connectors. Used in pro-audio.

>   2) How does the MR-1 compare in sound quality to my 670ZX?

670ZX should be better - better transport, good calibration facilities.

>   3) What is a good way to check the condition of the heads in my 670ZX?

Take a look on it! Use small light and magnifying glass.

>   4) If the answer to question 1 is analog, are there any cassette decks
> with digital I/O?

What for? There was some AIWA with internal DAC but I see no reason for such
a things! If you need to make recordings from digital source - all you need
is a good
external DAC.

Misha
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From kohnb at outrider.triton.net  Sun Oct  8 00:52:13 2000
From: kohnb at outrider.triton.net (kohnb at outrider.triton.net)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:52:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Couple quick questions re MR-1s/670ZX
In-Reply-To: <00e801c030b6$00f967a0$0100007f@boom>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010071849480.25225-100000@outrider.triton.net>

On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, MVM wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> >   These may be stupid questions to some of you but I've not found the
> > answers I'm looking for on Google.. hope someone can help a new Nak owner.
> >
> >   1) Is the 1/4" XLR I/O on the MR-1 digital or analog?
> 
> This is standard balansed analog connectors. Used in pro-audio.

OK, thanks. That's what I was thinking but I saw conflicting information
on different sites and was unsure.
 
> >   2) How does the MR-1 compare in sound quality to my 670ZX?
> 
> 670ZX should be better - better transport, good calibration facilities.
>
> >   3) What is a good way to check the condition of the heads in my 670ZX?
> 
> Take a look on it! Use small light and magnifying glass.

I guess the better question would be, what should I look for. I do know
which part are the heads, so I'm not completely lost. ;-)
 
> >   4) If the answer to question 1 is analog, are there any cassette decks
> > with digital I/O?
> 
> What for? There was some AIWA with internal DAC but I see no reason
> for such a things! If you need to make recordings from digital source
> - all you need is a good external DAC.

Actually, it's for mastering some old cassette masters to my Tascam
DA-20MKII DAT deck. If the connecters were digital I would've plugged it
into my Sek'd Prodif Plus instead of the analog connections on the Tascam.

Thanks for the response,
Ben

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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Sun Oct  8 01:30:33 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:30:33 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 101 - Tape Head Demag & Cleaning
Message-ID: <81.12d8d1f.27110c19@aol.com>

Hi Nak Talkers,

May I ask another "baby" question of the group?  What is the preferred method 
for head demag and cleaning?

I currently use a TEAC head demag unit in the shape of a cassette with a 
battery and level light.  You simply place it in your deck, turn all volume 
controls to 0, and press play for approx. 5-7 seconds.  I've seen several NAK 
demag tools for sale on eBay and would like to know is there any difference 
in using the cassette mechanism vs. the probe-shaped demag devices?

Also, throughout the years I've used alcohol and extended cotton swabs to 
clean my tape heads.  However, I also use a cassette-shaped tape cleaner for 
my car deck that has removable pads.  The cassette-shaped cleaner also 
contains pads to clean the rollers.  Has anyone experienced any damage to 
their decks using the cassette-shell cleaners vs. the cotton swab method?  I 
really want to maximize the life of my TEAC and forthcoming CR-7a and would 
appreciate any advise you could offer.  Thanks and God bless you all!

-Sam
Ephesians 4:13
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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Sun Oct  8 07:47:34 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 8 Oct 00 07:47:34 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
Message-ID: <20001008044734.3767.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Marc and other Naktalkers!

I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their Nakamichi reviews
online. So let's keep track of them.

Nicholas.

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From jannissu at worldonline.nl  Sun Oct  8 10:51:39 2000
From: jannissu at worldonline.nl (Jannis)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:51:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7
Message-ID: <006b01c03105$25908680$73e3f1c3@mypc>

Hi fellows,

I have the chance to buy a CR-7E.  

the Serial Nr.: A 0130 03125.

The price is 1400.- DM exclusive porto.

The guy says that the deck has had no gear update and has not been serviced for a long time. Based on Stephen's information I assume that the deck has not had an EQ correction either (although neither I nor the seller know what an EQ correction is).

Given the above do you fellow Nakknowers think that the price the seller asks is fair?

Jannis Soulantikas 


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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Sun Oct  8 11:32:58 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:32:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Gramophone Magazine webpage
Message-ID: <39E03F4A.246A4534@sunint.co.za>

Hey Guys,

On Gramophone Magazine's web page (www.gramophone.co.uk) the "click
here" button for 'hi-fi for music lovers' is a Nakamichi Cassette Deck -
quite rightly.  By the looks of it, a DR series, probably a DR-10.

Incidently, their reviews are, although subjective, informative and
accurate.

So it seems there are still people out there who haven't yet traded
fidelity for convenience. Or the 'cool' factor.

Cheers, MARC

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct  8 13:02:19 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:02:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
In-Reply-To: <005b01c030b0$578e6120$0100007f@boom>
Message-ID: <000101c03117$3a52fd20$7b31883e@a4s1s2>

Right ... I should have known because my limited edition KGB watch was
making strange bleeping noises ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 07 October 2000 23:46
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
>
>
> Conspiracy, you know... KGB exploring new ways of sending messages
> for secret Nakamichi agents :)
>
> Sorry guys I just hit "replay" buttons...
>
> > What language is that?!  I suspect someone is using a Cyrillic character
> set
> > ....
> >
> > Graham
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct  8 13:11:34 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:11:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
In-Reply-To: <20001008044734.3767.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c03118$84fb1f00$7b31883e@a4s1s2>

Well done, Nick!  Ace work!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Nick
> Sent: 08 October 2000 08:48
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
> 
> 
> Dear Marc and other Naktalkers!
> 
> I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their 
> Nakamichi reviews
> online. So let's keep track of them.
> 
> Nicholas.
> 
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Oct  8 16:06:55 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:06:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Degaussing Methods, etc....
Message-ID: <BJLDDDHBGLAGHAAA@angelfire.com>

Sam - The cassette deck degaussing and general user maintenance subject was covered extensively about six months ago. If someone of the membership has a comprehensive archive of NakTalk Digests, they may be able to forward you several informative email postings.  I was hoping to create a cassette deck degaussing FAQ last winter;  Alas, I haven't made much progress.  Here's the website address:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html

Perhaps during the coming winter months I will gather enough energy and information to finish that little project!

Nicholas, great idea contacting Stereophile Magazine about Nak review articles!  I'm looking forward to the day those are viewable on the internet!!  How far back does Stereophile go?  They've been around for quite some time, possibly (in one form or another name) the early 1970s??

Blues 

---
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:30:33 EDT
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 101 - Tape Head Demag & Cleaning

Hi Nak Talkers,

May I ask another "baby" question of the group?  What is the preferred method for head demag and cleaning?

I currently use a TEAC head demag unit in the shape of a cassette with a battery and level light.  You simply place it in your deck, turn all volume controls to 0, and press play for approx. 5-7 seconds.  I've seen several NAK demag tools for sale on eBay and would like to know is there any difference in using the cassette mechanism vs. the probe-shaped demag devices?

lso, throughout the years I've used alcohol and extended cotton swabs to clean my tape heads.  However, I also use a cassette-shaped tape cleaner for my car deck that has removable pads.  The cassette-shaped cleaner also contains pads to clean the rollers.  Has anyone experienced any damage to their decks using the cassette-shell cleaners vs. the cotton swab method?  I really want to maximize the life of my TEAC and forthcoming CR-7a and would 
appreciate any advise you could offer.  
                  
------------------------------

Date: 8 Oct 00 07:47:34 MSK
From: Nick <Modernizy at netscape.net>
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review

Dear Marc and other Naktalkers!

I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their Nakamichi reviews
online. So let's keep track of them.

Nicholas

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct  8 19:23:33 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:23:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Degaussing Methods, etc....
In-Reply-To: <BJLDDDHBGLAGHAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <000101c0314c$7c0ee3c0$d16743d4@a4s1s2>

Sam

I've got most of the postings regarding de-magging.  You want me to send
them?

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> The BlueSwapper
> Sent: 08 October 2000 15:07
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Cc: Mr Blues
> Subject: [naktalk] Degaussing Methods, etc....
>
>
> Sam - The cassette deck degaussing and general user maintenance
> subject was covered extensively about six months ago. If someone
> of the membership has a comprehensive archive of NakTalk Digests,
> they may be able to forward you several informative email
> postings.  I was hoping to create a cassette deck degaussing FAQ
> last winter;  Alas, I haven't made much progress.  Here's the
> website address:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demag.html
>
> Perhaps during the coming winter months I will gather enough
> energy and information to finish that little project!
>
> Nicholas, great idea contacting Stereophile Magazine about Nak
> review articles!  I'm looking forward to the day those are
> viewable on the internet!!  How far back does Stereophile go?
> They've been around for quite some time, possibly (in one form or
> another name) the early 1970s??
>
> Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:30:33 EDT
> From: SBarr12393 at aol.com
> Subject: [naktalk] NAK 101 - Tape Head Demag & Cleaning
>
> Hi Nak Talkers,
>
> May I ask another "baby" question of the group?  What is the
> preferred method for head demag and cleaning?
>
> I currently use a TEAC head demag unit in the shape of a cassette
> with a battery and level light.  You simply place it in your
> deck, turn all volume controls to 0, and press play for approx.
> 5-7 seconds.  I've seen several NAK demag tools for sale on eBay
> and would like to know is there any difference in using the
> cassette mechanism vs. the probe-shaped demag devices?
>
> lso, throughout the years I've used alcohol and extended cotton
> swabs to clean my tape heads.  However, I also use a
> cassette-shaped tape cleaner for my car deck that has removable
> pads.  The cassette-shaped cleaner also contains pads to clean
> the rollers.  Has anyone experienced any damage to their decks
> using the cassette-shell cleaners vs. the cotton swab method?  I
> really want to maximize the life of my TEAC and forthcoming CR-7a
> and would
> appreciate any advise you could offer.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 8 Oct 00 07:47:34 MSK
> From: Nick <Modernizy at netscape.net>
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 TAS review
>
> Dear Marc and other Naktalkers!
>
> I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their
> Nakamichi reviews
> online. So let's keep track of them.
>
> Nicholas
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Oct  8 20:28:38 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:28:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39E0BCD5.7CBADE4A@xs4all.nl>

Hi Matyas,

The service manual for the 680ZX is downloadable from the ftp server in case you didn't
know...:

ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/service/english/

Regards,

Wouter


Matyas wrote:

> Thank you Ron, I will do it on monday night.
> The cause of death of the display bias circuit is due to my experiment to
> eliminate
> the non acceptable noise my display produces in all the audio circuits.(a
> high pitched hum noise)
> very audible.
> I was trying to filter the heater tension, with Pi filer and the noise was
> louder than before,
> even it was audible through the coils ...
>
> After I done a mod, guided by my friend's 1000ZXL schematics, I find both
> bias circuits identical
> exept a filtering 100uF capacitor on -39v output and a 33k resistor coupling
> both commons leads of
> secondary coils of the power transformer.    I modify my deck by the way,
> and no ameliorations occured.
> So I tempt to fit a more effective capacitor 1500 uF 450V, and a slight step
> forward was feel ...
> But I bet the pollution source come from the heater 2.5V and the solution is
> I think, to heat with DC current.
>
> The display dies after ~2 day of use with the only 1000ZXL mod inside.
>
> What did you think about that bloody noise ?
>
> Matyas
>
> Ron <raah at concentric.net> wrotes:
> > Matyas,
> >
> > If the tolerance of the original Zener diode is 5% (I
> > am assuming 5%, because 2% diodes are considerably
> > more expensive), the circuit must be designed for any
> > voltage from 37.05V to 40.95V. If your Zeners are also
> > 5%, it is possible (even likely) that their voltage is
> > less than 40.95V, so they are probably OK to use. Try
> > to connect your diodes and measure the voltage right
> > across the diodes. If it's within the range above, you
> > are fine.
> >
> > The display specification will generally include
> > operating voltage and maximum voltage. It is unlikely
> > that operating with 1V more (that's only 2.5% more) will
> > exceed the max specification. The display should survive
> > a quick measurement even if your diodes are actually 1V
> > too high. If you absolutely want to play it safe, do not
> > connect the display before applying power, or do the
> > measurement very quickly.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > -- Ron

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From marc at stager.com  Sun Oct  8 21:12:41 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 15:12:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Couple quick questions re MR-1s/670ZX, Stereophile
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010071800510.23563-100000@outrider.triton.n
 et>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001008140701.02830120@mail.flashcom.net>

IN answer to some questions from 10/7/00,

1) Is the 1/4" XLR I/O on the MR-1 digital or analog?

There is nothing digital in any cassette deck. All the
ins and outs, recording and play are analogue.

The 1/4 inch phone jacks on the MR-1 are just a different
style of connector than the typical RCA phono jacks.
Simply use an adaptor and any RCA type cable will work fine.
They work at consumer standard line level, unbalanced.

The XLR is a three pin balanced connector, delivering and
receiving a much higher voltage, +4 db, compared to the
consumer standard -10 db.
Below is an explanation of balanced operation glommed from
the pro audio FAQ.
ftp://recordist.com/rap-faq/rec.audio.pro_FAQ_%28v_0.9%29

"Professional transmission lines differ from consumer lines in two
ways.  First, consumer lines tend to run about 14 dB lower in level
than pro lines.  Second, professional lines run in differential, or
balanced, configuration.

In a single-ended line, the signal travels down one conductor and
returns along a shield.  This is the simplest form of audio
transmission, since it is essentially the same AC circuit you learned
about in high-school physics.  The problem here is that any noise
or interference that creeps into the line will simply get added to
the signal and you'll be stuck with it.

In a differential line, there are three conductors.  A shield, a
normal "hot" lead, and a third lead called the "cold" or "inverting"
lead, which carries a 180-degree inverted copy of the hot lead.  Any
interference that creeps into the cable thus affects both the hot and
cold leads equally.  At the receiving end, the hot and cold leads are
summed using a differential amplifier, and any interference that has
entered the circuit (called "common-mode information" since it is
common to both the hot and cold leads), gets canceled out.
Differential lines are thus better suited for long runs, or for
situations where noise or interference may be a factor."


2) How does the MR-1 compare in sound quality to my 670ZX?

I can only speak for the MR-1 which I bought new. The ins and
outs sound identical when used with a high quality type II or
type IV cassette. The machine is properly set up to pro standards,
not according to Nakamichi's goofy neophyte procedure.
(ie, YOU DO NOT USE BIAS FOR ADJUSTING FREQUENCY RESPONSE. YOU
BIAS FOR THE BEST COMPROMISE OF MAXIMUM OPUTPUT AT 400 HZ AND
MINIMUM HF DISTORTION, THEN YOU ADJUST THE RECORD EQ!!) - which
means you have to go inside the deck. The external adjusters give
you a barely acceptable result. The correct procedure to set up
a tape deck, any type of tape deck, is not brand-specific.

More on this in the pro audio FAQ, see link. Exception: the
white noise procedure does not work with a cassette deck
except one with heads in unworn condition and using metal tape
capable of an MOL of 0 db. The limitations of the cassette medium;
slow running speed and very small magnetic tracks, makes this
procedure likely to increase distortion at the expense of HF
extension. Given the choice I will always shoot for lowest
distortion first and extended freq. response second.
(Need I mention the play head has to be adjusted for perfect
azimuth, zenith, and height alignment with a calibrated test tape
and the play levels and EQ must be dead on?)

I find my MR-1 satisfactory, and the equal to my 582. Both are
discrete three head designs. 99.99% of the time you are not
listening to a cassette machine set up for peak performance.
If it is, the difference between any two three head Naks will
be inaudible. The weakest link will be the cassette tape itself.

3) If the heads don't show flat spots, then calibrate the deck
with a reference tape, set it up properly for recording and see
then listen to some wide range music. If it sounds good the heads are
fine. If the heads show any visible wear, they will not give you
a decent HF response, unless you force them to by underbiasing into
distortion.

....

 >> I wrote to Stereophile and they promised to place all their Nakamichi 
reviews
 >> online. So let's keep track of them.
 >> Nicholas.

Great, Nick. Thanks.

So far there aren't any reviews posted at the Stereophile site. This will
be a major policy change. Looking forward to them.

In the meantime, as I wrote previously, if anyone has those reviews,
scan them in a 300 dpi GIF and email them to me and I'll be glad
to PDF them to the Nak FTP site.

....

The first issue of Stereophile was published in October, 1962.

Have a good Nak.
(It's worth the effort)
_________________________ Marc Stager
http://marc.stager.com/silver/

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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Mon Oct  9 00:55:42 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:55:42 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Degaussing Methods, etc....
Message-ID: <16.3458950.2712556e@aol.com>

Thank you!
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From raah at concentric.net  Mon Oct  9 01:01:49 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:01:49 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net>

Matyas wrote:
> 
> Thank you Ron, I will do it on monday night.
> The cause of death of the display bias circuit is due
> to my experiment to eliminate the non acceptable noise
> my display produces in all the audio circuits.(a high
> pitched hum noise) very audible.
> I was trying to filter the heater tension, with Pi
> filer and the noise was louder than before,
> even it was audible through the coils ...
> 
> After I done a mod, guided by my friend's 1000ZXL
> schematics, I find both bias circuits identical
> exept a filtering 100uF capacitor on -39v output
> and a 33k resistor coupling both commons leads of
> secondary coils of the power transformer.    I
> modify my deck by the way, and no ameliorations occured.
> So I tempt to fit a more effective capacitor 1500 uF
> 450V, and a slight step forward was feel ...

Matyas, if you put a large capacitor across the -38V, the
inrush current when you switch on can blow the transistor
(Q431?). Once the transistor base-collector shorts, the
diode
ZD401 will blow within a few milliseconds.

> But I bet the pollution source come from the heater 2.5V
> and the solution is I think, to heat with DC current.

Actually, the source of the noise could be the display
itself. I am not saying this is the case in your deck, but
some audio components, such as my Pioneer CLD-D704, allow
for switching the display off when not needed, due to
this reason.

> The display dies after ~2 day of use with the only 1000ZXL
> mod inside.
> 
> What did you think about that bloody noise ?

I think it may not make sense to modify the deck, because
all 680ZX decks work fine as is. The 'simplest' thing to
do is to substitute the display, to see if it is the
cause. Of course, this is not so simple if you do not have
a new display on hand :-). You could put a 'scope on the
+12V line and see if you see the noise when the display is
running.

Yes, you can try to supply DC heater power, but my gut
feeling is that it won't help. Should be easy to try 
with a fresh 1.5V battery (or two NiCd cells, for about
2.5V).

As a simple workaround for the whole problem, you can
route the -38V line through an external switch. Turn
on the display only when needed, then turn it off for
the actual recording (and, of course, for PB).

Let us know how you make out. Good luck,

-- Ron



> 
> Matyas
> 
> Ron <raah at concentric.net> wrotes:
> > Matyas,
> >
> > If the tolerance of the original Zener diode is 5% (I
> > am assuming 5%, because 2% diodes are considerably
> > more expensive), the circuit must be designed for any
> > voltage from 37.05V to 40.95V. If your Zeners are also
> > 5%, it is possible (even likely) that their voltage is
> > less than 40.95V, so they are probably OK to use. Try
> > to connect your diodes and measure the voltage right
> > across the diodes. If it's within the range above, you
> > are fine.
> >
> > The display specification will generally include
> > operating voltage and maximum voltage. It is unlikely
> > that operating with 1V more (that's only 2.5% more) will
> > exceed the max specification. The display should survive
> > a quick measurement even if your diodes are actually 1V
> > too high. If you absolutely want to play it safe, do not
> > connect the display before applying power, or do the
> > measurement very quickly.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Mon Oct  9 02:08:49 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 02:08:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
References: <000101c03117$3a52fd20$7b31883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <00d901c03185$1aab01c0$0100007f@boom>

Hey, my friend! You should visit me sometime, it's an order from the boss!
Yours watch indicated that you will be my contact in England for at least
ten
more years :))) (do you have enough Irish viskey in a stock?)

Misha


> Right ... I should have known because my limited edition KGB watch was
> making strange bleeping noises ...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > MVM
> > Sent: 07 October 2000 23:46
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tune-up nuances of a Nak
> >
> >
> > Conspiracy, you know... KGB exploring new ways of sending messages
> > for secret Nakamichi agents :)


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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Mon Oct  9 11:33:50 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 9 Oct 00 11:33:50 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Re: etc...
Message-ID: <20001009083350.24882.qmail@www0m.netaddress.usa.net>

"The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:

>Nicholas, great idea contacting Stereophile Magazine about Nak review
>articles!  I'm looking forward to the day those are viewable on the
>internet!!  How far back does Stereophile go?  They've been around for >quite
some time, possibly (in one form or another name) the early 1970s??

>Blues 

Well, I don't know exactly but think they started almost at the same time as
The Absolute Sound (1973). What is more important they are still in business!


For example, earlier this month I tried to contact Audio magazine, but the
chief editor answered that Audio had ceased publication early this year. I
will really miss their October issue with Annual Equipment Directory.

Nicholas.

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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Mon Oct  9 11:42:17 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 9 Oct 00 11:42:17 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stereophile
Message-ID: <20001009084217.21793.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net>

Marc Stager <marc at stager.com> wrote:
IN answer to some questions from 10/7/00,


>Great, Nick. Thanks.

>So far there aren't any reviews posted at the Stereophile site. This will
>be a major policy change. Looking forward to them.

>In the meantime, as I wrote previously, if anyone has those reviews,
>scan them in a 300 dpi GIF and email them to me and I'll be glad
>to PDF them to the Nak FTP site.

>....

>The first issue of Stereophile was published in October, 1962.

>Have a good Nak.
>(It's worth the effort)
>_________________________ Marc Stager
>http://marc.stager.com/silver/

They start Web-publish some of their reviews and articles several months ago
in Archives section.

Nicholas.

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Oct  9 13:34:44 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:04:44 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nak talk - Past postings
Message-ID: <003f01c031e4$ec632940$42d60192@vsnl>

I have been lucky to be in this forum and got very useful tips on my Naks
and got involved in interesting discussions. However does anybody has
compiled the past discussions with different titles etc ? If such a thing
can be hosted on Naks FTP server, may be useful to a new comer to this forum
and avoid similar questions  being posted?

 I am really happy to see the FTP server having lot more info than six
months ago and thank Wouter / Norman and others who had contributed to
enhance the appeal of Naks FTP server!
Kannan

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Oct  9 16:49:11 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:49:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak talk - Past postings
References: <003f01c031e4$ec632940$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <39E1DAE7.FBB82FF9@xs4all.nl>

Hi Kannan,

I'm working on a 'search' option for all past and future naktalk postings. I'll make
this available through the web site when it's ready.
You can search on any keyword and the appropriate naktalk postings will be shown and
can be read.

Useful enough?

Wouter

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> I have been lucky to be in this forum and got very useful tips on my Naks
> and got involved in interesting discussions. However does anybody has
> compiled the past discussions with different titles etc ? If such a thing
> can be hosted on Naks FTP server, may be useful to a new comer to this forum
> and avoid similar questions  being posted?
>
>  I am really happy to see the FTP server having lot more info than six
> months ago and thank Wouter / Norman and others who had contributed to
> enhance the appeal of Naks FTP server!
> Kannan
>

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Oct  9 17:18:44 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:18:44 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com: detailed data
In-Reply-To: <39E1DAE7.FBB82FF9@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001009171844.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Wouter,

I just wanted to check back on some details where the ebay-poster/seller
didn't copy the info's from your site -- and found them offline. 

I do understand your annoyance with people just copying the pictures and data
lists (I alway could tell where the info's were from ;-) without linking your
page. But is it so bad after all? To have that informations on all decks
easily accessible was quite nice. 

Or was there another website copying your data sections? Which I would regard
as much worse (especially because it would be so easy to add a link in a real
webpage) then this ebay-practice. 
I never sold anything to ebay -- Can you include links easily? Besides just
giving the link wich wouldn't be clickable then?

And what do you plan to do with the data-fields? rearrange them to make them
harder to copy? (I can recommend tables, the data are in weird sequence and
with a lot of whitespace and cr/lf's if you just copy-paste them....

K.-H.




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From penry at nortelnetworks.com  Mon Oct  9 17:39:59 2000
From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:39:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Your Computer Is Sending Out A Virus
Message-ID: <E7ADAD260BEED3119E7E0000F810CE1791BC6D@zrchb129.us.nortel.com>

Your computer has a virus and is infecting other computers.  Please update
your anti virus definitions and clean the virus from your computer
immediately.


Thank you,

Charles


 -----Original Message-----
		From: 	S. Kannan [mailto:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in] 
		Sent:	Monday, October 09, 2000 4:13 AM
		Subject:	

		
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From raah at concentric.net  Mon Oct  9 17:56:16 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:56:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Your Computer Is Sending Out A Virus
References: <E7ADAD260BEED3119E7E0000F810CE1791BC6D@zrchb129.us.nortel.com>
Message-ID: <39E1EAA0.BEFF31B7@concentric.net>

> Charles Penry wrote:
> 
> Your computer has a virus and is infecting other
> computers.  Please update your anti virus definitions and
> clean the virus from your computer immediately.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Charles
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> 
>           From:   S. Kannan
>           [mailto:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> 
>           Sent:   Monday, October 09, 2000 4:13 AM
> 
>           Subject:


I just received the same virus. I never open an email
attachment. Instead, I save them to file. In this
case, Norton came up and complained about this virus,
so I deleted the whole thing, with no harm done.

In fairness to Kannan, it is quite possible the virus
did not originate from his computer. The sicko that
propagated this virus could have intercepted Kannan's
emails and sent the virus to the same list. This could
have happened while en route from NAKS to us.

-- Ron
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From marc at stager.com  Mon Oct  9 18:54:55 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:54:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Stereophile
In-Reply-To: <20001009084217.21793.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001009123222.0285a3f0@mail.flashcom.net>


>Marc Stager <marc at stager.com> wrote:
> >So far there aren't any reviews posted at the Stereophile site. This will
> >be a major policy change. Looking forward to them.

----------------------
10/9/00, you wrote:
>They start Web-publish some of their reviews and articles several months ago
>in Archives section.
>
>Nicholas.

=========================
Thanks, Nick

I had a look and found a few. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or
reason to their selection of articles and reviews. They're all
in the same pile. I did make myself a small HTM file putting
together all the "Records to Die For" articles which are
among my favorite pieces published in Stereophile. I'm sending
it as an attachment if anyone is interested. (No viruses, promise.
It's a just a set of links)

I had in mind a separate entry in their table of contents for
equipment reviews. At present they just list which issue carried
a particular review when you do a back issue search.

________________________ Marc Stager
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<Center><p><p>
<font color="#5C00AA" face="Arial" size="5">Stereophile Magazine Records to Die For index</font><p><p>

<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?199"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1999</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?83"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1998</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?79"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1997</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?49"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1996</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?53"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1995</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?61"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1994</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?65"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1993</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?67"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1992</font></a><p>
<a href="http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?71"><font color="#5C0000" face="system" size="2">Records to Die For 1991</font></a><p>
</center>

From eddy.pollet at pandora.be  Mon Oct  9 19:39:47 2000
From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:39:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #414
In-Reply-To: <200010091037.MAA07883@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <B607CF81.475E%eddy.pollet@pandora.be>

Hi all,

is there anybody that can give me some details about the Nak CDP-2E, a
CD-player . I saw one for sale for about $200 this afternoon ... is it any
good ?

BTW ... the "E" means it's an enhanced model, I guess :-)

Thanks,

Eddy

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct  9 19:55:47 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:55:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak talk - Past postings
References: <003f01c031e4$ec632940$42d60192@vsnl> <39E1DAE7.FBB82FF9@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <004f01c0321a$27a50ac0$a8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Wonderful.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak talk - Past postings


> Hi Kannan,
>
> I'm working on a 'search' option for all past and future naktalk postings.
I'll make
> this available through the web site when it's ready.
> You can search on any keyword and the appropriate naktalk postings will be
shown and
> can be read.
>
> Useful enough?
>
> Wouter
>
> "Kannan. S" wrote:
>
> > I have been lucky to be in this forum and got very useful tips on my
Naks
> > and got involved in interesting discussions. However does anybody has
> > compiled the past discussions with different titles etc ? If such a
thing
> > can be hosted on Naks FTP server, may be useful to a new comer to this
forum
> > and avoid similar questions  being posted?
> >
> >  I am really happy to see the FTP server having lot more info than six
> > months ago and thank Wouter / Norman and others who had contributed to
> > enhance the appeal of Naks FTP server!
> > Kannan
> >
>
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct  9 20:15:02 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:15:02 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: CDP-2E
Message-ID: <038801c0321c$d8fce7a0$7293bccf@sank1>

The CDP-2E(Europe) is a very modest(to be polite) player, which was based on
an NEC.  It's worth no more than about $100, even new in the box.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: POLLET Eddy <eddy.pollet at pandora.be>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 12:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #414


>Hi all,
>
>is there anybody that can give me some details about the Nak CDP-2E, a
>CD-player . I saw one for sale for about $200 this afternoon ... is it any
>good ?
>
>BTW ... the "E" means it's an enhanced model, I guess :-)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eddy
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Mon Oct  9 20:27:15 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:27:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
Message-ID: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>

Hello Naktalkers,

Don't open the attachment file from Kennan. I have just use my Ghost software to put a new image on my machine because i (stupid me) opened the attachment.

This file let your outlook express software send a copy of the original mail with a attachment on it with the virus. So you send two mails.

I don't know if the virus is very harmfull because i placed immediately a fresh ghost image on my hd.

My last nakmails are gone so if i had to answer people because of making pdf files from tiff files please send me a new mail

greetings

Norman
n.van.wijnen at castel.nl
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct  9 21:08:30 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:08:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <011401c03224$503d25d0$a8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Thanks, I almost opened it.  I wonder how many others got burned!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Norman van Wijnen 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 2:27 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!


  Hello Naktalkers,

  Don't open the attachment file from Kennan. I have just use my Ghost software to put a new image on my machine because i (stupid me) opened the attachment.

  This file let your outlook express software send a copy of the original mail with a attachment on it with the virus. So you send two mails.

  I don't know if the virus is very harmfull because i placed immediately a fresh ghost image on my hd.

  My last nakmails are gone so if i had to answer people because of making pdf files from tiff files please send me a new mail

  greetings

  Norman
  n.van.wijnen at castel.nl
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From brianm at grar.com  Tue Oct 10 00:18:16 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:18:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm>

Hi guys,

I tried to open the file from Kennan!  Does anyone one know the name of the virus?  I had to have someone come from our main office to work on my PC all day, they still haven't resolved the problem, they will try again tomorrow.  I just checked my e-mail and saw the warning, this will help them in their search.  My PC is not working correctly now.

Brian Miller
Michigan

Romans 10:9-10
...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Norman van Wijnen 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 2:27 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!


  Hello Naktalkers,

  Don't open the attachment file from Kennan. I have just use my Ghost software to put a new image on my machine because i (stupid me) opened the attachment.

  This file let your outlook express software send a copy of the original mail with a attachment on it with the virus. So you send two mails.

  I don't know if the virus is very harmfull because i placed immediately a fresh ghost image on my hd.

  My last nakmails are gone so if i had to answer people because of making pdf files from tiff files please send me a new mail

  greetings

  Norman
  n.van.wijnen at castel.nl
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Tue Oct 10 00:46:54 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:46:54 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
Message-ID: <35.b3ef420.2713a4de@aol.com>

Hello all. Would it be too much to ask that religious quotes not be included w/ posts? 

Cal John.
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Tue Oct 10 01:24:06 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:24:06 +0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx> <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <39E25396.938E6DC7@com2com.ru>

It's the so called Troyan virus and it's very dangerous. In my case my
Windows 98 ceased to load properly. Be very careful guys! If you need
some help on how to fix the consequences of this goddamn virus, email
me. If it's not too late though...

Take care

Nick

Brian Miller wrote:

> Hi guys, I tried to open the file from Kennan!  Does anyone one know
> the name of the virus?  I had to have someone come from our main
> office to work on my PC all day, they still haven't resolved the
> problem, they will try again tomorrow.  I just checked my e-mail and
> saw the warning, this will help them in their search.  My PC is not
> working correctly now. Brian Miller
> Michigan Romans 10:9-10
> ...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
> and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
> dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
> unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
> made unto salvation.
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Norman van Wijnen
>      To: naktalk at naks.com
>      Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 2:27 PM
>      Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
>       Hello Naktalkers, Don't open the attachment file from
>      Kennan. I have just use my Ghost software to put a new image
>      on my machine because i (stupid me) opened the
>      attachment. This file let your outlook express software send
>      a copy of the original mail with a attachment on it with the
>      virus. So you send two mails. I don't know if the virus is
>      very harmfull because i placed immediately a fresh ghost
>      image on my hd. My last nakmails are gone so if i had to
>      answer people because of making pdf files from tiff files
>      please send me a new
>      mail greetings Normann.van.wijnen at castel.nl
>
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From warren2 at gate.net  Tue Oct 10 04:13:40 2000
From: warren2 at gate.net (Warren Tremain)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:13:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] re virus FYI
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx> <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <02b101c0325f$b5f09a20$7c8324cf@oemcomputer>

This file: "NEW_NAPSTER_site.TXT.pif" was infected with: "W95.MTX.dr" virus.

The file was deleted by Norton AntiVirus. Monday, October 09, 2000  19:12


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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 10 02:12:44 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:12:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING (Holy shit!)
In-Reply-To: <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm>
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001009200007.02904520@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/9/00, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>I tried to open the file from Kennan!  Does anyone one know the name of 
>the virus?  I had to have someone come from our main office to work on my 
>PC all day, they still haven't resolved the problem, they will try again 
>tomorrow.  I just checked my e-mail and saw the warning, this will help 
>them in their search.  My PC is not working correctly now.
>
>Brian Miller
>Michigan
>
>Romans 10:9-10
>...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
>and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
>dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
>unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
>made unto salvation.

========================================

Hey Brian,

No wonder you got zapped. Jesus just doesn't love you enough
to protect you from the evils of computer viruses. You just
aren't praying hard enough.

Next time I want to see a FULL PAGE of Bible thumping !!!.

Start with II Kings 18:27 and Isaiah 36:12

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Oct 10 04:00:09 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 04:00:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx> <003201c0323e$d82c0aa0$3f021fac@brianm> <39E25396.938E6DC7@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <001201c0325d$d46e0020$0100007f@localhost>

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�������, �������� ������� �������������.

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From ritchfan at airmail.net  Tue Oct 10 05:26:01 2000
From: ritchfan at airmail.net (Bobby Gervais)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:26:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <011401c03224$503d25d0$a8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
References: <001901c0321e$8d32d3a0$0f8955c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <v03007803b607f77c5c8a@[206.138.228.50]>

>    Thanks, I almost opened it.&nbsp; I wonder how many others  got burned!

thanks god for macs!!  my other favourite equipment!!!!  the virus didnt
touch it!

are macs made by ex NAK people??????/

har har

Bobby Gervais


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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Tue Oct 10 05:52:26 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:52:26 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
Message-ID: <f6.3719093.2713ec7a@aol.com>

Thank God for Norton Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to 
open it.

-Sam
Ephesians 4:13
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Oct 10 06:42:17 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:42:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Napster Ennui
Message-ID: <OF6CAAA6B8.F44E0AF4-ON86256974.00191360@ac.com>


I never opened it in the first place, mainly because I'm tired of the whole
Napster saga.  I was never the least bit curious about pirate bootleg
downloads of low sound quality that took on this kind of cutting-edge rebel
image in the media.   When the guy who runs it starts showing up at the MTV
Video Awards and on the cover of Newsweek, I really don't care.  I call it
"subcultural virus."

George

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Oct 10 08:56:34 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:56:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Virus - warning / Kannan' smail to all Naktalkers]
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Here's a message from Kannan for all of you.

Wouter
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Oct 10 11:28:49 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:28:49 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING (Holy shit!)
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001009200007.02904520@mail.flashcom.net>
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I simply can't resist :-)


> No wonder you got zapped. Jesus just doesn't love you enough
> to protect you from the evils of computer viruses. You just
> aren't praying hard enough.
> 
> Next time I want to see a FULL PAGE of Bible thumping !!!.
> 
> Start with II Kings 18:27 and Isaiah 36:12
> 
> ____________________________ Marc Stager



I am believing in Linux,
the one Operating System,
which will run any computer flawlessly and
will it keep save from all evil.

Linux Bible, Chapter I, verse I


K.-H.


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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Tue Oct 10 11:50:42 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:50:42 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Religious quotes
References: <35.b3ef420.2713a4de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39E2E672.BD2EE22@nettaxi.com>



BJGRADY at aol.com wrote:

> Hello all. Would it be too much to ask that religious quotes not be included w/ posts?
>
> Cal John.

Hi John

I encourage diversity and accept everyone as they are. But I too would appreciate it if
anyone wishing to quote the Bible would do so by referencing the book, chapter and verse -
and no more. Those wanting to know more can then look it up themselves.

Cheers
Jason

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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Tue Oct 10 12:33:34 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:33:34 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Kannan's mail to all Naktalkers
References: <39E2BDA2.E609DD0D@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <39E2F07E.8A82621B@nettaxi.com>


Hi there all

the virus is called w95.mtx [apparently a tribute to the movie, 'The
Matrix']. It sent the emails transparently, as Kannan said. For more info:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w95.mtx.html

To handle any email attachments, never open them but save to disk instead.
If it seems suspicious in the least, delete it without further ado.

Another good idea is to not use Outlook Express/Internet Explorer as these
have hidden features that facilitate the viruses launching havoc. Micro$oft
actually considers this as a feature, not a weakness.

Netscape's Communicator is a good package overall and it's more trustworthy.

Of course the best way to get rid of Windoze and go with Linux :-D [which I
would've, if I had a computer of my own - unfortunately, I'm stuck with the
ones at uni]

Cheers and take care
Jason

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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Tue Oct 10 18:58:34 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:58:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING (Holy shit!)
References: <XFMail.001010112849.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <39E34ABA.79C0A16B@it.cas.cz>

Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:

> I am believing in Linux,
> the one Operating System,
> which will run any computer flawlessly and
> will it keep save from all evil.
> 
> Linux Bible, Chapter I, verse I
> 
> K.-H.
>
I share your belief. My computers have been running under SuSE Linux for
two years and I was only smiling, whenever a report on a new virus
appeared.

Andras.
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From alipset at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 17:22:19 2000
From: alipset at yahoo.com (Alan Lipset)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:22:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 
References: <200010091816328.SM00161@brianm>
Message-ID: <003801c032cd$e375b340$0c021e0a@web>

Brian-
What is this?
Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:17 PM



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From brianm at grar.com  Tue Oct 10 18:45:24 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:45:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: 
References: <200010091816328.SM00161@brianm> <003801c032cd$e375b340$0c021e0a@web>
Message-ID: <000501c032d9$7ec4e9a0$12021fac@brianm>

Alan,

It is a virus, I hope you didn't try to open the attachment.

Brian Miller
Michigan

...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:22 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re:


> Brian-
> What is this?
> Alan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <brianm at grar.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:17 PM
>
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 10 19:56:19 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:56:19 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <39E25396.938E6DC7@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <000001c032e3$65c2bcc0$e604893e@a4s1s2>

Nick

I know someone who's been hit with this one.  Could you e-mail me with
details of how you got rid of it, please?

Graham
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Nick Igritski
  Sent: 10 October 2000 00:24
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
  Importance: High


  It's the so called Troyan virus and it's very dangerous. In my case my
Windows 98 ceased to load properly. Be very careful guys! If you need some
help on how to fix the consequences of this goddamn virus, email me. If it's
not too late though...
  Take care

  Nick

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From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:09:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Religious quotes
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Don't mean to sound unsympathetic but ... what about religious quotes that
don't come from the Bible?  Or Shakespeare?



"When everyone knows beauty as beautiful, there is already ugliness; When
everyone knows good as goodness, there is already evil."  Lao-tzu


"Nak's are great."  Bubba Free John (reputedly ... just to keep this e-mail
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Oct 10 23:38:29 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:38:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Religious quotes
Message-ID: <OF3B31281D.134A1F18-ON86256974.0076DB42@ac.com>



"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"  Raoul Duke

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Wed Oct 11 04:06:01 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:06:01 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
Message-ID: <GAIOJLFENBFCIAAA@angelfire.com>

Whew!!!

That's the way it usually happens, devastating virus embedded attachments, sent unknowingly by a trusted friend or cooperator.  The key to the highway of safe navigation on the internet is to never open an attachment without very secure virus monitoring and innocculating ability.  Better yet, don't open any attachments from others you don't personally know (only those who have virus innocculating ability inherent to their systems).  I work in a huge info technology operation at state government here in the midwest USA.  Nasty viruses pop up regularly, and the professionals often remind me that one cannot be too cautious about attachments - Don't open them, they're dangerous, they bite and hurt......

So, I propose that we get back to the basics, just plain old email posts that cover Nakamichi gear topics.  No attachments, just the basics.

Whaddayaallsaytothat???

Blues

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From RAH555nica at aol.com  Wed Oct 11 05:17:18 2000
From: RAH555nica at aol.com (RAH555nica at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:17:18 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Religious quotes
Message-ID: <c1.79c84de.271535bf@aol.com>

    "LIVE-LOVE-LAUGH"....IF NOT GET A NAK!!! 
NICA-DJ
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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Wed Oct 11 08:59:17 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 11 Oct 00 08:59:17 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Sterophile reviews
Message-ID: <20001011055917.18009.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Naktalkers!

Let's make some additional posting to Stereophile demanding the Naks reviews
to be Web-publish on their Web site. I think this will accelerate the
process.

The E-mail address is: jiverson at emapusa.com

Nick.


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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Oct 11 12:41:03 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan S)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:11:03 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
References: <f6.3719093.2713ec7a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39E443BF.C63A1525@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Hi naktalkers
I am back thru some other computer . Let me give details of cure for the MTX virus that
I had obtained from internet
Saved important files on zip disk ( particularly naks ftp downloads of manuals and my
office docs)
Yahoo search for antivirus yielded Norton antivirus - PC mag review and PC mag gave a
link to down load and took me to Norton Antivirus 2001 down load - trial version 1
month and you can purchase later. ( direct to Symantec did not get me a download link!)

It is a 25 MB file. I could download it fast because of ISDN 64 KB connection within a
hour,
Installed it ( you have to register it when you install otherwise will not allow you to
download latest updates from Internet Symantec live update server!) and found that it
does not have latest updates. Its part called live update after connecting to internet
got me latest update and it automatically updated to include MTX virus.
It scanned for an Hour and cured most of the files but could not remove MTX_.exe file
in Windows directory and Wsoc32.dll in Windows \system directory. In windows you will
not be able to delete it.
It informed me that these files still have virus. So I copied virus free Wsock32.dll
file from ( Win 95 ) another computer in another place.
I booted the machine back to Command prompt safe mode by F8 key while booting.
By cryptic DOS command I deleted MTX_.exe file and Wsock32.dll. Copied good Wsock32.dll
file to windows \system directory.
Reboot and  scanned the machine and found it is cured
Before anything else first delete all the virus attached file in your inbox.
Without the latest updates - Norton does not detect this virus. Good news is that It
also detected few more virus in my collegues Laptop which also got a mail from me.It
cured that machine also. I also could scan another machine in my network ( LAN) .
Seems a decent antivirus package . God knows what is store for us.
Nowdays I scared to see any attachments!
I once again feel sorry that few of you got problems due to my machine.
Hope this method works for Win 98 also.
Kannan

SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:

> Thank God for Norton Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
> open it.
>
> -Sam
> Ephesians 4:13
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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Oct 11 16:49:58 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
References: <GAIOJLFENBFCIAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <39E47E15.3EAA02A4@concentric.net>

The BlueSwapper wrote:
> 
> Whew!!!
> 
> That's the way it usually happens, devastating virus embedded attachments, sent unknowingly by a trusted friend or cooperator.  The key to the highway of safe navigation on the internet is to never open an attachment without very secure virus monitoring and innocculating ability.  Better yet, don't open any attachments from others you don't personally know (only those who have virus innocculating ability inherent to their systems).  I work in a huge info technology operation at state government here in the midwest USA.  Nasty viruses pop up regularly, and the professionals often remind me that one cannot be too cautious about attachments - Don't open them, they're dangerous, they bite and hurt......
> 
> So, I propose that we get back to the basics, just plain old email posts that cover Nakamichi gear topics.  No attachments, just the basics.
> 
> Whaddayaallsaytothat???
>

Blues,

I see no problem with email attachments. People need
to be careful, though, and verify that received
attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
virus scanner before opening.

Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.

On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
is their motivation?

-- Ron


> Blues
> 
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Oct 11 17:26:12 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:26:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Sterophile reviews
References: <20001011055917.18009.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <005301c03397$96d28070$9f496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Done.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick" <Modernizy at netscape.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:59 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Sterophile reviews


> Dear Naktalkers!
>
> Let's make some additional posting to Stereophile demanding the Naks
reviews
> to be Web-publish on their Web site. I think this will accelerate the
> process.
>
> The E-mail address is: jiverson at emapusa.com
>
> Nick.
>
>
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Wed Oct 11 17:39:27 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:39:27 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
Message-ID: <23.204dd88.2715e3b0@aol.com>

That last statement goes for all hackers, folks that write viruses, ect. Problem childhood, no friends, Napolean complex? Who knows.

Cal John. 
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Wed Oct 11 18:21:02 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
In-Reply-To: <39E47E15.3EAA02A4@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001011182102.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. 

Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok. 
If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least. 


> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
> potentially dangerous). 

Right there start the big problems! 

1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?

2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and 
   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.


> All files should *never* be opened

Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I would expect to
see the file in an editor....

And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the mail
program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
should be the default of any mailer.
Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its nice to have
everything automatic and use that as the default setting.


"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it does" would be
the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
autostarting macro ? 
Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at least word 6.0
did it).
Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running some kind of
macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the major
design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and that it's not
modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by your trusted
friends though.


----

So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a txt-attachement from
it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of place anyway.
Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where binary files
can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but everybody
will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running a
program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there automatically).


Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files? 

Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:

application/msword   (I checked this)
application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
... etc 
as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files. If somebody
want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
better on ftp.naks.com.

I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files and
mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs there and
everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if files get
there without announcement they are suspect anyway.

Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to block to get
the mailinglist as secure as possible? 


K.-H.


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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Wed Oct 11 19:56:51 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
References: <XFMail.001011182102.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <39E4A9E3.27A58862@xs4all.nl>

Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment it will not reach the
list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!

Wouter

Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
> > attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
> > extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK.
>
> Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok.
> If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least.
>
> > File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
> > potentially dangerous).
>
> Right there start the big problems!
>
> 1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
>
> 2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
>    That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
>    where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and
>    Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
>
> > All files should *never* be opened
>
> Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
> "opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I would expect to
> see the file in an editor....
>
> And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the mail
> program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
> should be the default of any mailer.
> Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its nice to have
> everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
>
> "Never start any executable where you don't know of what it does" would be
> the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
> autostarting macro ?
> Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
> file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at least word 6.0
> did it).
> Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running some kind of
> macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the major
> design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
> malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
> signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and that it's not
> modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by your trusted
> friends though.
>
> ----
>
> So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
> additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
> version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a txt-attachement from
> it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of place anyway.
> Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where binary files
> can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but everybody
> will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running a
> program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there automatically).
>
> Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files?
>
> Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
>
> application/msword   (I checked this)
> application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
> ... etc
> as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files. If somebody
> want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
> better on ftp.naks.com.
>
> I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files and
> mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs there and
> everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if files get
> there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
>
> Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to block to get
> the mailinglist as secure as possible?
>
> K.-H.
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct 11 21:47:54 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:47:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] DR1 for sale - supposedly mint and virtually unused
In-Reply-To: <c1.79c84de.271535bf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c033bc$264ca7c0$5950883e@a4s1s2>

Apparently this unit is unused and failed to make the reserve price on
e-Bay.  The guy wants $600.

Anyone interested this is his e-mail.

Ziad Chamoun [zchamoun at mediaone.net]

I don't know him so I can't vouch for him.  My only contact was in bidding -
I won!!!!  But I can't afford his reserve.

Graham

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Thu Oct 12 01:30:34 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:30:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #419
Message-ID: <HLGGOLFDGDLGIAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings......

Indeed, to each his own choice!  I personally, never open attachments.  I agree that saving and scanning with a virus protection package like Norton AntiVirus is the pragmatic approach if you must open email-borne attached files. 

Careful though, and heed my warning; even Peter Norton (the god who created AntiVirus), cannot protect you from the meanies who constantly build ever nastier monstrosities to wreak havoc.  Those meanies are on the loose worldwide, and when you least expect it, a new and impervious virus will slip in to sting you and your computer gear.  We're a truely global community on NakTalk, and we rely on an open internet environment to communicate. The unfortunate Kannan episode hit several of the membership, and that is why I want to raise my brothers awareness.

Peace......

Blues

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On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:34   naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000       Volume 02 : Number 419
>

>
>SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Thank God (that is his highness, Peter Norton) for Norton Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
>> open it.
>>
>> -Sam
>> Ephesians 4:13
>>
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
>From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
>

>
>Blues,
>
>I see no problem with email attachments. People need
>to be careful, though, and verify that received
>attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
>like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
>potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
>opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
>virus scanner before opening.
>
>Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
>30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
>started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
>the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.
>
>On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
>feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
>is their motivation?
>
>- -- Ron
>

>
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
>From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>
>Hi,
>
>On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
>> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. 
>
>Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok. 
>If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least. 
>
>
>> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
>> potentially dangerous). 
>
>Right there start the big problems! 
>
>1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
>
>2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
>   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
>   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and 
>   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
>
>
>> All files should *never* be opened
>
>Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
>"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I would expect to
>see the file in an editor....
>
>And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the mail
>program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
>should be the default of any mailer.
>Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its nice to have
>everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
>
>
>"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it does" would be
>the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
>autostarting macro ? 
>Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
>file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at least word 6.0
>did it).
>Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running some kind of
>macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the major
>design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
>malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
>signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and that it's not
>modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by your trusted
>friends though.
>
>
>- ----
>
>So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
>additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
>version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a txt-attachement from
>it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of place anyway.
>Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where binary files
>can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but everybody
>will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running a
>program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there automatically).
>
>
>Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files? 
>
>Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
>
>application/msword   (I checked this)
>application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
>... etc 
>as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files. If somebody
>want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
>better on ftp.naks.com.
>
>I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files and
>mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs there and
>everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if files get
>there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
>
>Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to block to get
>the mailinglist as secure as possible? 
>
>
>K.-H.
>
>
>- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de> 
>http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html
>Sent: 11-Oct-00, 17:34:29
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>------------------------------
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>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
>From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>
>Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
>Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
>Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment it will not reach the
>list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!
>
>Wouter
>

>------------------------------
>
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>
>


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 12 02:04:44 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:04:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluor...
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0BCD5.7CBADE4A@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE36XWb9DYccSN00000042c@hotmail.com>

Thank you Wouter, but I have downloaded it (with most others...) since they
were availables from your site !

Many thanks for your efforts !

Matyas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter


> Hi Matyas,
>
> The service manual for the 680ZX is downloadable from the ftp server in
case you didn't
> know...:
>
> ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/service/english/
>
> Regards,
>
> Wouter









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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 12 02:02:45 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:02:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE21O3hRDT6Z3Ls0000050b@hotmail.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" raah at concentric.net

Ron, I am sorry for the delay.
It' s OK , the display is on again. the voltage across the zeners is -39.6V.
I 've got a 'scope, and I done some measurements:

>You could put a 'scope on the
> +12V line and see if you see the noise when the display is running.

Yes I can see noise on this bus.    It is digital datas, which is ramp of 5
ms width, pulses of 20 us. Their amplitude is 20 mVpp, with fast peaks of
160 mV pp. On the -12V display line, a quite identical ramp dwells with a
simpler content (on the+12V, there is 3 short steps before a long one).
This noise is not loud like that in main pcb, even too low I can quote
accurately.

I ve got the idea to check if it were actually DC passing through the
secondary coil for the heating.
.. I dont know if it is normal, but I find -38.8V there ... does the ZD402
defective ? I found 500 Ohms across it.
I check the resistance between heater and -38 on the unplugged connector,
 it is far more 20 MegOhm.
I have also put my probe to the common lead of the heater coil, and I found
315 us. rectangular pulse of 800 mV each 5 ms. I think it is those pulses
whom makes hard to filter.
And compared to my 582s the power transformer run quite hot.

> Matyas, if you put a large capacitor across the -38V, the
> inrush current when you switch on can blow the transistor
> (Q431?). Once the transistor base-collector shorts, the
> diode
> ZD401 will blow within a few milliseconds.

Yes Ron, it is what I done,(and was having the destroying possibilty in
mind ) but Q431 had resist 2 days after the
milliseconds ;o)
(Without the large cap.)

> Actually, the source of the noise could be the display
> itself. I am not saying this is the case in your deck, but
> some audio components, such as my Pioneer CLD-D704, allow
> for switching the display off when not needed, due to
> this reason.

 A sure thing is that when I take off the heater fuse, the noise (audible)
stops. Nevertheless, I continue to measure
the ramps in both voltage lines. As you see, the -38V bias tension is not
realy the source of the problem and is not digitally polluted, and rather
flat.

> > What did you think about that bloody noise ?
>
> I think it may not make sense to modify the deck, because
 °°°...for me it make sense to take lesson on the 1000ZXL ... °°°
> all 680ZX decks work fine as is.

Really ? I am quiter now if you tell me that it is worth to continue to
repair and trust my 680ZX that ever produce that noise since ~one year of
ownership!
Ron, I just wonder what is your experience with that deck because you
mention "all 680ZX decks work fine as is" : )

I hope my descriptions were clear as I am not of english tongue and just a
modest electronician student.

> Let us know how you make out. Good luck,
> -- Ron

I think it is done ;o)
Someday I will try to heat with DC power, but I wait an advice on the -38.8V
that is in my heater coil ?!?
Thank you Ron,
Matyas

PS: I can give more details on the behaviour of the pulses, but I think it
is not revealent at all.
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From raah at concentric.net  Thu Oct 12 16:32:43 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:32:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net> <LAW-OE21O3hRDT6Z3Ls0000050b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39E5CB8B.DA026340@concentric.net>

Matyas wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" raah at concentric.net
> 
> Ron, I am sorry for the delay.
> It' s OK , the display is on again. the voltage across the
> zeners is -39.6V. I 've got a 'scope, and I done some
> measurements:
> 
> > You could put a 'scope on the +12V line and see if you see
> > the noise when the display is running.
> 
> Yes I can see noise on this bus. It is digital datas, which is ramp of 5
> ms width, pulses of 20 us. Their amplitude is 20 mVpp, with fast peaks of
> 160 mV pp. On the -12V display line, a quite identical ramp dwells with a
> simpler content (on the +12V, there is 3 short steps before a long one).
> This noise is not loud like that in main pcb, even too low I can quote
> accurately.

I think 20mV is insignificant. Besides, it is there even
when the display is off. I think you can rule it out as
a problem.

> I ve got the idea to check if it were actually DC passing through the
> secondary coil for the heating.
> .. I dont know if it is normal, but I find -38.8V there ... does the ZD402
> defective? I found 500 Ohms across it.

Seems to me the heater should ride on -34V (39.6 -0.7 for
the Q431 base emitter -5 for the ZD402). Of course, while
the display running. I take it you measured on the heater
common (ZD402 Cathode) to ground, while the display was on?

Results of measuring the ZD402 with an ohmmeter depend on
the ohmmeter -- whether the measuring voltage is higher
than 5V and what is the measurement current. A Zener should
really be tested at the rated voltage/current.

> I check the resistance between heater and -38 on the unplugged connector,
> it is far more 20 MegOhm.
> I have also put my probe to the common lead of the heater coil, and I found
> 315 us. rectangular pulse of 800 mV each 5 ms. I think it is those pulses
> whom makes hard to filter.
> And compared to my 582s the power transformer run quite hot.
> 
> > Matyas, if you put a large capacitor across the -38V, the
> > inrush current when you switch on can blow the transistor
> > (Q431?). Once the transistor base-collector shorts, the
> > diode
> > ZD401 will blow within a few milliseconds.
> 
> Yes Ron, it is what I done,(and was having the destroying possibilty in
> mind ) but Q431 had resist 2 days after the
> milliseconds ;o)
> (Without the large cap.)
> 
> > Actually, the source of the noise could be the display
> > itself. I am not saying this is the case in your deck, but
> > some audio components, such as my Pioneer CLD-D704, allow
> > for switching the display off when not needed, due to
> > this reason.
> 
> A sure thing is that when I take off the heater fuse, the noise (audible)
> stops. Nevertheless, I continue to measure
> the ramps in both voltage lines. As you see, the -38V bias tension is not
> realy the source of the problem and is not digitally polluted, and rather
> flat.
> 
> > > What did you think about that bloody noise ?
> >
> > I think it may not make sense to modify the deck, because
>  °°°...for me it make sense to take lesson on the 1000ZXL ... °°°
> > all 680ZX decks work fine as is.
> 
> Really ? I am quiter now if you tell me that it is worth to continue to
> repair and trust my 680ZX that ever produce that noise since ~one year of
> ownership!
> Ron, I just wonder what is your experience with that deck because you
> mention "all 680ZX decks work fine as is" : )

None whatsoever. My background is several years tech
(specializing in Audio), BSEE and MSCS. What I meant
was that there is no known design flaw in the 680ZX
(if there was, we would have heard about it by now).
This means that the circuit, as designed, works well
and the problem is in your particular unit. 

> I hope my descriptions were clear as I am not of english tongue and just a
> modest electronician student.
> 
> > Let us know how you make out. Good luck,
> > -- Ron
> 
> I think it is done ;o)
> Someday I will try to heat with DC power, but I wait an advice on the -38.8V
> that is in my heater coil ?!?
> Thank you Ron,
> Matyas
> 
> PS: I can give more details on the behaviour of the pulses, but I think it
> is not revealent at all.

I agree.

Regards,

-- Ron
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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Oct 12 18:54:58 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:54:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR - opinions
Message-ID: <39E5ECE2.DCABB17F@sunint.co.za>

Gentlemen (and ladies of course)

I saw a bunch of Sony Metal XR tapes today both 60s and 90s - going for
R30-40 depending on length (the equivalent of US Dollars 4.40-5.80)
apiece.  Any opinions on them?  They are pretty pricey compared with
Maxell XLII-S (100s) which are R22.00 (about US D 3.20) and much more so
than Sony UX and UX-S.  The Sony pseudochromes and the Maxells give fine
performance to my mind.  Would the 'XR' Sony give significantluy better
performance?  By this time I'm sure you're having a good snigger at our
prices in South Africa!!!  Particularly Graham in the UK...I picked up
tapes at Pricebusters in London for  less than half what we pay here.

Marc

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Thu Oct 12 21:45:51 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:45:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
Message-ID: <000a01c03485$07ba04a0$588c55c3@asuscubx>

Hello Naktalkers,

Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
I'am scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i want to buy another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)

Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.

Norman
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From raah at concentric.net  Thu Oct 12 22:20:02 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:20:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000a01c03485$07ba04a0$588c55c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <39E61CF2.B0A3D139@concentric.net>

> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> 
> Hello Naktalkers,
> 
> Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> I'am scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the
> quality is poor because of the very very small details on
> the original manual, so i want to buy another one and i
> thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> 
> Not a Nak question but important for us all making good
> quality PDF's.
> 
> Norman


Norman,

I am not familiar with this particular model, but Canon
products are generally quite good.

The spec you should look at for catching small details
is the *optical* resolution, as opposed to *electrical*
resolution. Because the latter is a higher number,
manufacturers tend to emphasize it, even though it's
not that meaningful.

-- Ron
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 13 00:23:40 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:23:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net> <LAW-OE21O3hRDT6Z3Ls0000050b@hotmail.com> <39E5CB8B.DA026340@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE12wz4kgNr4zCc000007fc@hotmail.com>

Ron wrote:
>Seems to me the heater should ride on -34V (39.6 -0.7 for
>the Q431 base emitter -5 for the ZD402). Of course, while
>the display running. I take it you measured on the heater
>common (ZD402 Cathode) to ground, while the display was on?

Yes, it was that way I done my check.

>Results of measuring the ZD402 with an ohmmeter depend on
>the ohmmeter -- whether the measuring voltage is higher
>than 5V and what is the measurement current. A Zener should
>really be tested at the rated voltage/current.

 I have check the junction of the ZD402, in the forward sense, it is 147 mV
and in reverse sense, 254 mV.
For what I know zener diodes, I assume the reverse sense should block the
tension ... I hope I'm not boring you too long on basic theory, to make a
revealent deed, I will search
a fresh 5V zener to fit instead, but we have yet agreed the bias wasn't the
problem ...

I have look carefully to the pulse of 800 mV (heater common) that I talled
you, when I disconnect the 33k resistor
that short both common of the transformer (1000ZXL mod),  its amplitude rise
very slightly, so normal.
And I can ear a slight level difference too - it came not immediatly to
perception.
We know that pulses disapears when the heater fuse is removed.
When they aren't there (the pulses), there is no audible noise.
I think we are not afar of the solution, did you think a to large current is
possible if both common are frankly short-circuited ?
Any idea on the lowest resistance value I can fit there in the case
short-circuit is prohibited ?

>What I meant was that there is no known design flaw in the 680ZX
>(if there was, we would have heard about it by now).
>This means that the circuit, as designed, works well
>and the problem is in your particular unit.

I am surprised that no 680ZX owners have yet jump in, cause the ageing
prosess is not my 680ZX privilege

Regards,
Matyas

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From raah at concentric.net  Fri Oct 13 00:55:29 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:55:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680zx fluorescent meter
References: <LAW-OE48UAyNPPnOeCT00002a10@hotmail.com> <39DF56A9.A1C2B5A8@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12goFT3kMUVfN000001ae@hotmail.com> <39E0FCDD.FDBEA568@concentric.net> <LAW-OE21O3hRDT6Z3Ls0000050b@hotmail.com> <39E5CB8B.DA026340@concentric.net> <LAW-OE12wz4kgNr4zCc000007fc@hotmail.com>
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Matyas wrote:
> 
> Ron wrote:
> >Seems to me the heater should ride on -34V (39.6 -0.7 for
> >the Q431 base emitter -5 for the ZD402). Of course, while
> >the display running. I take it you measured on the heater
> >common (ZD402 Cathode) to ground, while the display was on?
> 
> Yes, it was that way I done my check.
> 
> >Results of measuring the ZD402 with an ohmmeter depend on
> >the ohmmeter -- whether the measuring voltage is higher
> >than 5V and what is the measurement current. A Zener should
> >really be tested at the rated voltage/current.
> 
> I have check the junction of the ZD402, in the forward sense,
> it is 147 mV and in reverse sense, 254 mV.
> For what I know zener diodes, I assume the reverse sense
> should block the tension

If I understand you correctly, then the Zener is bad. When
reverse biased, it should show an open, until the voltage
across it increases to 5V, at which point is should 'break
down' and it's resistance should become very low (without
a series resistor it will self-destruct).

So, if you measure with an ohmmeter that applies less than
5V, the Zener should show an open in the reverse direction.

If indeed the Zener is blown, this is worth following
through.

> ... I hope I'm not boring you too long on basic theory,
> to make a revealent deed, I will search a fresh 5V zener
> to fit instead, but we have yet agreed the bias wasn't the
> problem ...
> 
> I have look carefully to the pulse of 800 mV (heater common) that I talled
> you, when I disconnect the 33k resistor
> that short both common of the transformer (1000ZXL mod),  its amplitude rise
> very slightly, so normal.
> And I can ear a slight level difference too - it came not immediatly to
> perception.
> We know that pulses disapears when the heater fuse is removed.
> When they aren't there (the pulses), there is no audible noise.
> I think we are not afar of the solution, did you think a to large current is
> possible if both common are frankly short-circuited ?
> Any idea on the lowest resistance value I can fit there in the case
> short-circuit is prohibited ?

Matyas, I do not have the 1000ZXL schematic, so I am
not sure what you mean.

> >What I meant was that there is no known design flaw in the 680ZX
> >(if there was, we would have heard about it by now).
> >This means that the circuit, as designed, works well
> >and the problem is in your particular unit.
> 
> I am surprised that no 680ZX owners have yet jump in, cause the ageing
> prosess is not my 680ZX privilege

But possibly, this is not aging, but an actual fault
somewhere.

-- Ron

> 
> Regards,
> Matyas
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 13 01:12:34 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:12:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
In-Reply-To: <HLGGOLFDGDLGIAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <001001c034a1$e7434b60$bf6743d4@a4s1s2>

I think Blues makes a good point and is right to alert us to the risks.  The
nastier viruses are the new ones that the Dr Norton's, McAfee's, etc of this
World have yet to get around to countering. They only find out about them
after a heck of a lot of PC's have been infected.  And not all infected
files have to be "opened" to make their payloads do their worst - I have
read recently that some of the newest varieties only have to be highlighted
in Outlook to deliver.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> The BlueSwapper
> Sent: 12 October 2000 00:31
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Cc: Mr Blues
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #419
>
>
> Greetings......
>
> Indeed, to each his own choice!  I personally, never open
> attachments.  I agree that saving and scanning with a virus
> protection package like Norton AntiVirus is the pragmatic
> approach if you must open email-borne attached files.
>
> Careful though, and heed my warning; even Peter Norton (the god
> who created AntiVirus), cannot protect you from the meanies who
> constantly build ever nastier monstrosities to wreak havoc.
> Those meanies are on the loose worldwide, and when you least
> expect it, a new and impervious virus will slip in to sting you
> and your computer gear.  We're a truely global community on
> NakTalk, and we rely on an open internet environment to
> communicate. The unfortunate Kannan episode hit several of the
> membership, and that is why I want to raise my brothers awareness.
>
> Peace......
>
> Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:34   naktalk-digest wrote:
> >
> >naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000       Volume 02 : Number 419
> >
>
> >
> >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Thank God (that is his highness, Peter Norton) for Norton
> Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
> >> open it.
> >>
> >> -Sam
> >> Ephesians 4:13
> >>
> >
> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
> >From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
> >
>
> >
> >Blues,
> >
> >I see no problem with email attachments. People need
> >to be careful, though, and verify that received
> >attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
> >extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
> >like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
> >potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
> >opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
> >virus scanner before opening.
> >
> >Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
> >30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
> >started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
> >the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.
> >
> >On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
> >feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
> >is their motivation?
> >
> >- -- Ron
> >
>
> >
> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
> >From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> >Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
> >> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
> >> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK.
> >
> >Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok.
> >If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least.
> >
> >
> >> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
> >> potentially dangerous).
> >
> >Right there start the big problems!
> >
> >1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
> >
> >2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
> >   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
> >   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and
> >   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
> >
> >
> >> All files should *never* be opened
> >
> >Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
> >"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I
> would expect to
> >see the file in an editor....
> >
> >And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the mail
> >program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
> >should be the default of any mailer.
> >Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its
> nice to have
> >everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
> >
> >
> >"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it
> does" would be
> >the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
> >autostarting macro ?
> >Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
> >file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at
> least word 6.0
> >did it).
> >Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running
> some kind of
> >macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the major
> >design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
> >malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
> >signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and
> that it's not
> >modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by
> your trusted
> >friends though.
> >
> >
> >- ----
> >
> >So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
> >additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
> >version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a
> txt-attachement from
> >it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of
> place anyway.
> >Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where
> binary files
> >can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but
> everybody
> >will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running a
> >program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there
> automatically).
> >
> >
> >Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files?
> >
> >Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
> >
> >application/msword   (I checked this)
> >application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
> >... etc
> >as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files.
> If somebody
> >want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
> >better on ftp.naks.com.
> >
> >I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files and
> >mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs
> there and
> >everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if
> files get
> >there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
> >
> >Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to
> block to get
> >the mailinglist as secure as possible?
> >
> >
> >K.-H.
> >
> >
> >-
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> >http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html
> >Sent: 11-Oct-00, 17:34:29
> >-
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> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
> >From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
> >
> >Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
> >Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
> >Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment
> it will not reach the
> >list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!
> >
> >Wouter
> >
>
> >------------------------------
> >
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From marc at stager.com  Fri Oct 13 01:23:39 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:23:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <39E61CF2.B0A3D139@concentric.net>
References: <000a01c03485$07ba04a0$588c55c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001012191634.01ca6eb0@mail.flashcom.net>


>Norman,
>
>I am not familiar with this particular model, but Canon
>products are generally quite good.
>
>The spec you should look at for catching small details
>is the *optical* resolution, as opposed to *electrical*
>resolution. Because the latter is a higher number,
>manufacturers tend to emphasize it, even though it's
>not that meaningful.
>-- Ron

Even the lowest of low end scanners can do 600 x 1200 optical
resolution these days. But if you scan into a file with this
resolution the file will be 8 to 10 megs in size, so that's
why I'm saying that the limitation lies in the software.
Maybe the true resolution used to create the GIF file is
too low.

I scan color slides at 2400 dpi, and a relatively tiny area
of 1 x 1.5 inches makes a 2 meg 24 bit JPG file. Imagine
what a full page 8 x 10 would come to.

They come out looking like this:
http://marc.stager.com/gallery

______________________ Marc Stager


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From marc at stager.com  Fri Oct 13 01:14:50 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:14:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <000a01c03485$07ba04a0$588c55c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001012190845.01c9e4d0@mail.flashcom.net>

As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.

For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
I don't recall the name.

The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.

For a good overview of the current scanner market
check here:
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/howtobuy/

Have a good scan,
________________________________ Marc Stager

=============================================

At 10/12/00, you wrote:
>Hello Naktalkers,
>
>Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
>I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
>  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i want 
> to buy
>another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
>scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
>
>Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
>
>Norman

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From targowski at mediaone.net  Fri Oct 13 02:50:48 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:50:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001012190845.01c9e4d0@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGIEPNCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.) I
have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.

Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Marc Stager
Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.

For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
I don't recall the name.

The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.

For a good overview of the current scanner market
check here:
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
tershopper/edit/howtobuy/

Have a good scan,
________________________________ Marc Stager

=============================================

At 10/12/00, you wrote:
>Hello Naktalkers,
>
>Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
>I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
>  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i want
> to buy
>another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
>scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
>
>Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
>
>Norman

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Oct 13 06:32:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:02:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
Message-ID: <004d01c034ce$8f8d8de0$42d60192@vsnl>

Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any files
as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had found -
good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion

-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Viruses


>I think Blues makes a good point and is right to alert us to the risks.
The
>nastier viruses are the new ones that the Dr Norton's, McAfee's, etc of
this
>World have yet to get around to countering. They only find out about them
>after a heck of a lot of PC's have been infected.  And not all infected
>files have to be "opened" to make their payloads do their worst - I have
>read recently that some of the newest varieties only have to be highlighted
>in Outlook to deliver.
>
>Graham
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> The BlueSwapper
>> Sent: 12 October 2000 00:31
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Cc: Mr Blues
>> Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #419
>>
>>
>> Greetings......
>>
>> Indeed, to each his own choice!  I personally, never open
>> attachments.  I agree that saving and scanning with a virus
>> protection package like Norton AntiVirus is the pragmatic
>> approach if you must open email-borne attached files.
>>
>> Careful though, and heed my warning; even Peter Norton (the god
>> who created AntiVirus), cannot protect you from the meanies who
>> constantly build ever nastier monstrosities to wreak havoc.
>> Those meanies are on the loose worldwide, and when you least
>> expect it, a new and impervious virus will slip in to sting you
>> and your computer gear.  We're a truely global community on
>> NakTalk, and we rely on an open internet environment to
>> communicate. The unfortunate Kannan episode hit several of the
>> membership, and that is why I want to raise my brothers awareness.
>>
>> Peace......
>>
>> Blues
>>
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:34   naktalk-digest wrote:
>> >
>> >naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000       Volume 02 : Number 419
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thank God (that is his highness, Peter Norton) for Norton
>> Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
>> >> open it.
>> >>
>> >> -Sam
>> >> Ephesians 4:13
>> >>
>> >
>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
>> >From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >Blues,
>> >
>> >I see no problem with email attachments. People need
>> >to be careful, though, and verify that received
>> >attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>> >extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
>> >like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
>> >potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
>> >opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
>> >virus scanner before opening.
>> >
>> >Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
>> >30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
>> >started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
>> >the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.
>> >
>> >On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
>> >feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
>> >is their motivation?
>> >
>> >- -- Ron
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
>> >From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>> >Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>> >
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
>> >> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>> >> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK.
>> >
>> >Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok.
>> >If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at least.
>> >
>> >
>> >> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and >
>> >> potentially dangerous).
>> >
>> >Right there start the big problems!
>> >
>> >1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
>> >
>> >2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
>> >   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
>> >   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and
>> >   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
>> >
>> >
>> >> All files should *never* be opened
>> >
>> >Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
>> >"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I
>> would expect to
>> >see the file in an editor....
>> >
>> >And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the
mail
>> >program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And that
>> >should be the default of any mailer.
>> >Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its
>> nice to have
>> >everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
>> >
>> >
>> >"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it
>> does" would be
>> >the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
>> >autostarting macro ?
>> >Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
>> >file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at
>> least word 6.0
>> >did it).
>> >Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running
>> some kind of
>> >macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the
major
>> >design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
>> >malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like digitally
>> >signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and
>> that it's not
>> >modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by
>> your trusted
>> >friends though.
>> >
>> >
>> >- ----
>> >
>> >So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
>> >additional html versions be there for people which want to read the html
>> >version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a
>> txt-attachement from
>> >it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of
>> place anyway.
>> >Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where
>> binary files
>> >can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but
>> everybody
>> >will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running
a
>> >program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there
>> automatically).
>> >
>> >
>> >Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files?
>> >
>> >Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
>> >
>> >application/msword   (I checked this)
>> >application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to check...)
>> >... etc
>> >as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files.
>> If somebody
>> >want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are much
>> >better on ftp.naks.com.
>> >
>> >I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files
and
>> >mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs
>> there and
>> >everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if
>> files get
>> >there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
>> >
>> >Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to
>> block to get
>> >the mailinglist as secure as possible?
>> >
>> >
>> >K.-H.
>> >
>> >
>> >-
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>> >http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html
>> >Sent: 11-Oct-00, 17:34:29
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>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
>> >From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>> >
>> >Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
>> >Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
>> >Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment
>> it will not reach the
>> >list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!
>> >
>> >Wouter
>> >
>>
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>> >
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Oct 13 06:33:22 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:03:22 +0530
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Viruses
Message-ID: <005601c034ce$b8c501c0$42d60192@vsnl>

Sorry I left out signing this message
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Viruses


>Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
>unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any files
>as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had
found -
>good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
>Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
>some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
>today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
>machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
>picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
>receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
>
>
>>I think Blues makes a good point and is right to alert us to the risks.
>The
>>nastier viruses are the new ones that the Dr Norton's, McAfee's, etc of
>this
>>World have yet to get around to countering. They only find out about them
>>after a heck of a lot of PC's have been infected.  And not all infected
>>files have to be "opened" to make their payloads do their worst - I have
>>read recently that some of the newest varieties only have to be
highlighted
>>in Outlook to deliver.
>>
>>Graham
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>>> The BlueSwapper
>>> Sent: 12 October 2000 00:31
>>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>>> Cc: Mr Blues
>>> Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #419
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings......
>>>
>>> Indeed, to each his own choice!  I personally, never open
>>> attachments.  I agree that saving and scanning with a virus
>>> protection package like Norton AntiVirus is the pragmatic
>>> approach if you must open email-borne attached files.
>>>
>>> Careful though, and heed my warning; even Peter Norton (the god
>>> who created AntiVirus), cannot protect you from the meanies who
>>> constantly build ever nastier monstrosities to wreak havoc.
>>> Those meanies are on the loose worldwide, and when you least
>>> expect it, a new and impervious virus will slip in to sting you
>>> and your computer gear.  We're a truely global community on
>>> NakTalk, and we rely on an open internet environment to
>>> communicate. The unfortunate Kannan episode hit several of the
>>> membership, and that is why I want to raise my brothers awareness.
>>>
>>> Peace......
>>>
>>> Blues
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:51:34   naktalk-digest wrote:
>>> >
>>> >naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 11 2000       Volume 02 : Number 419
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> >SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Thank God (that is his highness, Peter Norton) for Norton
>>> Antivirus which wouldn't allow me download the file to
>>> >> open it.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Sam
>>> >> Ephesians 4:13
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:49:58 -0400
>>> >From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
>>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back To The Basics....
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Blues,
>>> >
>>> >I see no problem with email attachments. People need
>>> >to be careful, though, and verify that received
>>> >attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>>> >extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK. File extensions
>>> >like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
>>> >potentially dangerous). All files should *never* be
>>> >opened, but saved to disk and scanned by an up-to-date
>>> >virus scanner before opening.
>>> >
>>> >Personally, I use Norton Anti-Virus and update it every
>>> >30 days or so. In this case, I saw the PIF extension and
>>> >started a save to disk when Norton came up and announced
>>> >the virus. I clicked to delete the file and that was that.
>>> >
>>> >On a philosophical note, I wonder what kind of vermin
>>> >feel compelled to harm people they don't even know. What
>>> >is their motivation?
>>> >
>>> >- -- Ron
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:21:02 +0200 (MET DST)
>>> >From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>>> >Subject: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>>> >
>>> >Hi,
>>> >
>>> >On 11-Oct-00 Ron wrote:
>>> >> attachment files are not executable (meaning, file
>>> >> extensions TXT, JPG, GIF etc. are OK.
>>> >
>>> >Yes of course are picture attachements as such ok.
>>> >If they would be appropriate on a mailing list is questionable at
least.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> File extensions like VBS, EXE, PIF, DOC, XLS etc. are executable and
>
>>> >> potentially dangerous).
>>> >
>>> >Right there start the big problems!
>>> >
>>> >1) Who knows *all* these (executable) extensions anymore?
>>> >
>>> >2) And starting with Win9X the *default* is to *hide* the extensions.
>>> >   That's what made the "I love You" virus so effective -- the .txt.vbs
>>> >   where the .vbs was stripped and interpreted by the OS/Browser and
>>> >   Everybody saw an .txt file and wanted to *read* it, not execute.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> All files should *never* be opened
>>> >
>>> >Thats depending on the definition of "opening", isn't it? I.e. what has
>>> >"opening" to do with "running" something. By opening a .vbs I
>>> would expect to
>>> >see the file in an editor....
>>> >
>>> >And *my* opinion is, that this "never open" should be handled by the
>mail
>>> >program: Configure it so it will *not run* anything executable. And
that
>>> >should be the default of any mailer.
>>> >Unfortunately some wellknown big software companies think its
>>> nice to have
>>> >everything automatic and use that as the default setting.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"Never start any executable where you don't know of what it
>>> does" would be
>>> >the right thing. But who knows which word *.doc files have a nasty
>>> >autostarting macro ?
>>> >Who of you know that pressing the "shift" key during opening of a *doc
>>> >file will make word *not* to execute the autostart macro (at
>>> least word 6.0
>>> >did it).
>>> >Which Programs/Applications will actually be capable of running
>>> some kind of
>>> >macro or program which is hidden inside a file? That's probably the
>major
>>> >design flaw with Can-do-it-all Office Packages, they are wide open to
>>> >malicious attacks. It's definitely time for more security like
digitally
>>> >signed files where you can at least be sure where it's from and
>>> that it's not
>>> >modified. This would still not protect you from little jokes by
>>> your trusted
>>> >friends though.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >- ----
>>> >
>>> >So for naktalk: banning all attachements is too strong a thing, let the
>>> >additional html versions be there for people which want to read the
html
>>> >version, some mailer would forward a mail by making a
>>> txt-attachement from
>>> >it. But anything binary is on mailinglists a little bit out of
>>> place anyway.
>>> >Especially since Wouter has the ftp area on ftp.naks.com where
>>> binary files
>>> >can easily be exchanged (not that they were more save there, but
>>> everybody
>>> >will at least have to get and run the files and know that he is running
>a
>>> >program -- and no virus will think of copying himself there
>>> automatically).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Would it be useful to ban *.doc and *pif and *xls files?
>>> >
>>> >Wouter, I would suggest to block the Mime-Types:
>>> >
>>> >application/msword   (I checked this)
>>> >application/msexcel  (is this the right type? I haven't one to
check...)
>>> >... etc
>>> >as well, since they can be as malicious as .vbs and *.exe files.
>>> If somebody
>>> >want's to share nak related word documents or excel-sheets they are
much
>>> >better on ftp.naks.com.
>>> >
>>> >I'm quite sure that some viruses are copying themself via *.doc files
>and
>>> >mail -- but they won't log on to ftp.naks.com and copy themselfs
>>> there and
>>> >everybody will tell naktalk or you that he uploaded a file -- if
>>> files get
>>> >there without announcement they are suspect anyway.
>>> >
>>> >Is that an idea acceptable by all (most)? Any more Mime-types to
>>> block to get
>>> >the mailinglist as secure as possible?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >K.-H.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >-
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>>> >http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg7/FestFluGre/transport/khh/general.html
>>> >Sent: 11-Oct-00, 17:34:29
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>>> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:51 +0200
>>> >From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] rambling on executables as attachement...
>>> >
>>> >Ok, I'll add those tomorrow.
>>> >Then we have blocked most attatchment typed that can be harmful.
>>> >Please notice that if you send a mail with such an attatchment
>>> it will not reach the
>>> >list and you won't be notified of it, but I will!
>>> >
>>> >Wouter
>>> >
>>>
>>> >------------------------------
>>> >
>>> >End of naktalk-digest V2 #419
>>> >*****************************
>>> >
>>> >
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From enoyes at snet.net  Fri Oct 13 06:01:02 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:01:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
References: <004d01c034ce$8f8d8de0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <39E688F9.D2866F0F@snet.net>

All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea from a few
years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with postings of
Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with a cup of tea (or
rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his beloved Naks... or Carlos
amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe I'm crazy, but
it would be neat.

Ed

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
> unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any files
> as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had found -
> good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
> Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
> some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
> today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
> machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
> picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
> receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Viruses

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 13 08:14:59 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:14:59 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
References: <004d01c034ce$8f8d8de0$42d60192@vsnl> <39E688F9.D2866F0F@snet.net>
Message-ID: <00e601c034dc$ece2a620$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Ed,

Good idea!

Misha

PS: Graham, my friend! Please don't cry, some day you will have a NAKS ;)

> All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea
from a few
> years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with
postings of
> Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with a cup of
tea (or
> rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his beloved Naks...
or Carlos
> amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe
I'm crazy, but
> it would be neat.
>
> Ed

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 13 09:27:26 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:27:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
References: <004d01c034ce$8f8d8de0$42d60192@vsnl> <39E688F9.D2866F0F@snet.net> <00e601c034dc$ece2a620$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <00f801c034e7$0b648280$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Ed,

One more thing. People will know us in face, so one
realy bad day great hunting may begin... Should we
be on a mask?

Misha

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 13 10:04:42 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:04:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
In-Reply-To: <39E688F9.D2866F0F@snet.net>
Message-ID: <000201c034ec$3e67f360$041b883e@a4s1s2>

Ed

I will send you a picture .... but you may not dare to open it!!!  :¬)

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Ed Noyes
> Sent: 13 October 2000 05:01
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
>
>
> All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old
> idea from a few
> years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the
> site with postings of
> Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with
> a cup of tea (or
> rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his
> beloved Naks... or Carlos
> amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea.
> Maybe I'm crazy, but
> it would be neat.
>
> Ed
>
> "Kannan. S" wrote:
>
> > Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
> > unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not
> attach any files
> > as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs
> I had found -
> > good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
> > Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
> > some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
> > today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
> > machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
> > picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
> > receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Oct 13 10:04:46 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:04:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
In-Reply-To: <00e601c034dc$ece2a620$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000301c034ec$404d2e20$041b883e@a4s1s2>

Thanks, Misha - yes, the idea of me posing with a Nak was rubbing the salt
in the wound!!!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 13 October 2000 07:15
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
>
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Good idea!
>
> Misha
>
> PS: Graham, my friend! Please don't cry, some day you will have a NAKS ;)
>
> > All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea
> from a few
> > years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with
> postings of
> > Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham
> with a cup of
> tea (or
> > rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his
> beloved Naks...
> or Carlos
> > amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe
> I'm crazy, but
> > it would be neat.
> >
> > Ed
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From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com  Fri Oct 13 15:08:06 2000
From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (jazzisjazz at mindspring.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:08:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING !!!!!!
Message-ID: <Springmail.105.971442486.0.73186000@www.springmail.com>

Hi Nick,
My Win 95 does not load at the moment( apparently sound card and vid card drivers were affected ) . Would appreciate any info if it Would help me recover from safe mode.

Thanks,

Stan


naktalk at naks.com wrote:
> 




Nick
�
I know 
someone who's been hit with this one.� Could you e-mail me with details of 
how you got rid of it, please?
�
Graham

  -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com 
  [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nick 
  Igritski
> Sent: 10 October 2000 00:24
> To: 
  naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] VIRUS WARNING 
  !!!!!!
> Importance: High
> 
> It's the so called 
  Troyan virus and it's very dangerous. In my case my Windows 98 ceased to load 
  properly. Be very careful guys! If you need some help on how to fix the 
  consequences of this goddamn virus, email me. If it's not too late though... 
  <P>Take care 
  <P>Nick 

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Oct 14 00:48:57 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:48:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGIEPNCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c03567$c6221580$118c55c3@asuscubx>

Thanks Stan,

Your point is clear,

The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......

But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
(scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are not
good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a more
detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
different scanners.

Gretings Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.) I
> have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
> unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
>
> Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
> loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Marc Stager
> Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
>
> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
>
> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> I don't recall the name.
>
> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
>
> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> check here:
>
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
>
> Have a good scan,
> ________________________________ Marc Stager
>
> =============================================
>
> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> >Hello Naktalkers,
> >
> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
want
> > to buy
> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> >
> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> >
> >Norman
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Oct 14 01:00:25 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:00:25 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001012190845.01c9e4d0@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c03569$602d65c0$118c55c3@asuscubx>

Thanks Marc

I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in the
readability of the server manuals scans.
especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives problems.
The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat) but
that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi? But i'm
not sure of that.

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
>
> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> I don't recall the name.
>
> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
>
> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> check here:
>
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
>
> Have a good scan,
> ________________________________ Marc Stager
>
> =============================================
>
> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> >Hello Naktalkers,
> >
> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
want
> > to buy
> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> >
> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> >
> >Norman
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 01:45:05 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:45:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGIEPNCCAA.targowski@mediaone.net> <001b01c03567$c6221580$118c55c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <39E79E81.ECD1746B@concentric.net>


Gee, I don't want to argue with the local experts, but
the Nakamichi/JVC analogy is *way* off. HP used to be at
the top of the prestige pyramid, but this is no longer
true.

The only good thing you can say about HP is that
their in-warranty service is exemplary -- they will
exchange a failing product with a refurbished one
within 24 hours. OTOH, their products really need it.
I have here, in my home, 2 HP printers, an HP hard
disk and an HP CD-R drive. Of these, both printers
and the hard drive were exchanged under their wonderful
warranty but the CD-R drive had the poor taste of
failing shortly after the warranty expired -- cost of
repair is unrealistic and I had to discard it after
using it for less than a year and a half. Pretty
expensive!

At work we had 2 HP Laser Jets that required repair
almost at the same frequency as changing toner
cartridges...

I don't know that Canon products reliability is that
much better, but can't imagine they are worse.

In the Sep. 19 issue of PC Mag, they tested 9 scanners
for eBusiness. For image quality, Epson 1200U came out
first. Canon N1220U and MicroTek 1200 shared second
place. HP 4300C was in 3rd place with Visioneer and 3
other scanners were last. Overall quality, the Epson
was 1st, Canon 2nd and 4 other printers (HP included)
3rd.

As to the resulting large files when scanning at high
resolution -- that's quite true. If anyone knows of a way
to resolve fine details in small files, they should patent
it (they will make a fortune). The Only way known to man
(short of losing detail) is to compress the files (that's
what the JPEG format does), but there is a limit, because
lossy compression reduces quality. Even so -- and
regardless of format -- increasing resolution will always
increase file size.

-- Ron



Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> 
> Thanks Stan,
> 
> Your point is clear,
> 
> The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......
> 
> But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
> (scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
> small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are not
> good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a more
> detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
> I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
> different scanners.
> 
> Gretings Norman
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> 
> > Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> > scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.) I
> > have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
> > unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
> >
> > Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
> > loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > Marc Stager
> > Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> > As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> >
> > For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > I don't recall the name.
> >
> > The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> >
> > For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > check here:
> >
> http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> > tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> >
> > Have a good scan,
> > ________________________________ Marc Stager
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > >Hello Naktalkers,
> > >
> > >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
> > >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> want
> > > to buy
> > >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> > >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > >
> > >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> > >
> > >Norman
> >
> >
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Sat Oct 14 02:31:38 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:31:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] HP makes good scanners just like Nak used to make great tape decks ...
In-Reply-To: <39E79E81.ECD1746B@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAEAFCDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

I appologize for talking about scanners again, but would just like to
qualify something.

We are talking about scanners. Ron, you have indicated you have had so many
HP products, but none of these were scanners. My point was made to HP
scanners, I still feel that these are high quality products, I have one, and
am extremely happy with it.

What I wanted to convey to Norman is that Canon will not give him what he is
after. I have a Computer Science degree, and have been doing/managing
application development for 13 years, working in a big company (12,000
associates) I have exposure to a lot of hardware, and in the scanner area HP
is indeed top rated - regardless of what today's issue of PC World may be
saying.

Just like with Nakamichi. Their tape decks were second to none. I had a
pretty lousy experience with my TA2A Receiver, my friend didn't appreciate
their CD players - this however shouldn't take away from their tape-deck
genius.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Ron
Sent: Fri, October 13, 2000 6:45 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions



Gee, I don't want to argue with the local experts, but
the Nakamichi/JVC analogy is *way* off. HP used to be at
the top of the prestige pyramid, but this is no longer
true.

The only good thing you can say about HP is that
their in-warranty service is exemplary -- they will
exchange a failing product with a refurbished one
within 24 hours. OTOH, their products really need it.
I have here, in my home, 2 HP printers, an HP hard
disk and an HP CD-R drive. Of these, both printers
and the hard drive were exchanged under their wonderful
warranty but the CD-R drive had the poor taste of
failing shortly after the warranty expired -- cost of
repair is unrealistic and I had to discard it after
using it for less than a year and a half. Pretty
expensive!

At work we had 2 HP Laser Jets that required repair
almost at the same frequency as changing toner
cartridges...

I don't know that Canon products reliability is that
much better, but can't imagine they are worse.

In the Sep. 19 issue of PC Mag, they tested 9 scanners
for eBusiness. For image quality, Epson 1200U came out
first. Canon N1220U and MicroTek 1200 shared second
place. HP 4300C was in 3rd place with Visioneer and 3
other scanners were last. Overall quality, the Epson
was 1st, Canon 2nd and 4 other printers (HP included)
3rd.

As to the resulting large files when scanning at high
resolution -- that's quite true. If anyone knows of a way
to resolve fine details in small files, they should patent
it (they will make a fortune). The Only way known to man
(short of losing detail) is to compress the files (that's
what the JPEG format does), but there is a limit, because
lossy compression reduces quality. Even so -- and
regardless of format -- increasing resolution will always
increase file size.

-- Ron



Norman van Wijnen wrote:
>
> Thanks Stan,
>
> Your point is clear,
>
> The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......
>
> But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
> (scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
> small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are
not
> good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a
more
> detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
> I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
> different scanners.
>
> Gretings Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
> > Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> > scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.)
I
> > have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
> > unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
> >
> > Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
> > loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > Marc Stager
> > Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> > As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> >
> > For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > I don't recall the name.
> >
> > The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> >
> > For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > check here:
> >
>
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> > tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> >
> > Have a good scan,
> > ________________________________ Marc Stager
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > >Hello Naktalkers,
> > >
> > >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
poor
> > >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> want
> > > to buy
> > >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> > >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > >
> > >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> > >
> > >Norman
> >
> >
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Oct 14 03:33:03 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:33:03 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #423
Message-ID: <ODICFABKOAPAJAAA@angelfire.com>

Ed, this is a splendid idea!  If only Wouter has the motivation and time to do such a thing, it would be a fitting addition to the Nak Website reputation and legacy.  Imagine, a personalized photo gallery with all the devoted NakTalkers portrayed embracing their beloved Nak gear.  What a pleasing sight for us to behold!!!

Blues

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:16:03   naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>naktalk-digest        Friday, October 13 2000        Volume 02 : Number 423
>
>

>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:01:02 -0400
>From: Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
>Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
>
>All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea from a few
>years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with postings of
>Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with a cup of tea (or
>rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his beloved Naks... or Carlos
>amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe I'm crazy, but
>it would be neat.
>
>Ed
>
>"Kannan. S" wrote:
>
>> Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
>> unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any files
>> as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had found -
>> good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
>> Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may be
>> some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
>> today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
>> machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send a
>> picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
>> receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion.
>>

Kannan - You are our most reasonable voice, since you have the intimate feeling of inadvertently launching the naughty virus.  Perhaps others will be influenced by your testimony here.  Regards......

Blues


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
>

>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:14:59 +0200
>From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
>
>Hi Ed,
>
>Good idea!
>
>Misha
>
>PS: Graham, my friend! Please don't cry, some day you will have a NAKS ;)
>

Peer pressure will have old Graham selling his little pinkies to accumulate enough eurodollars to finally purchase that English Dragon he dreams so often about.......

Blues

>
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>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 03:43:25 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:43:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] HP makes good scanners just like Nak used to make great 
 tape decks ...
References: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAEAFCDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <39E7BA3D.896DBDD2@concentric.net>

Stan,

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.  I strongly
disagree that "Canon will not give [Norman] what he
is after." Or, for that matter, Epson, U-Max and many
others. 

I understood Norman was after catching fine details.
What is needed is a scanner that will resolve such fine
details. Who makes it is irrelevant. Barring fraudulent
specs, scanners from *any* reputable manufacturer that
meet the required optical resolution will do.

While HP has a good reputation, they are by no means
the Rolls-Royce of scanners, printers or anything else.
I certainly would not dismiss PC Mag's reviews so
flippantly. This is what these people do for a living.
In the least, they are a highly respected team of
professionals that review equipment for a living.

I'll be happy to discuss this further, if anyone is
interested in the subject. 

Peace,

-- Ron



Stan Targowski wrote:
> 
> I appologize for talking about scanners again, but would just like to
> qualify something.
> 
> We are talking about scanners. Ron, you have indicated you have had so many
> HP products, but none of these were scanners. My point was made to HP
> scanners, I still feel that these are high quality products, I have one, and
> am extremely happy with it.
> 
> What I wanted to convey to Norman is that Canon will not give him what he is
> after. I have a Computer Science degree, and have been doing/managing
> application development for 13 years, working in a big company (12,000
> associates) I have exposure to a lot of hardware, and in the scanner area HP
> is indeed top rated - regardless of what today's issue of PC World may be
> saying.
> 
> Just like with Nakamichi. Their tape decks were second to none. I had a
> pretty lousy experience with my TA2A Receiver, my friend didn't appreciate
> their CD players - this however shouldn't take away from their tape-deck
> genius.
> 
> Stan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Ron
> Sent: Fri, October 13, 2000 6:45 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> 
> Gee, I don't want to argue with the local experts, but
> the Nakamichi/JVC analogy is *way* off. HP used to be at
> the top of the prestige pyramid, but this is no longer
> true.
> 
> The only good thing you can say about HP is that
> their in-warranty service is exemplary -- they will
> exchange a failing product with a refurbished one
> within 24 hours. OTOH, their products really need it.
> I have here, in my home, 2 HP printers, an HP hard
> disk and an HP CD-R drive. Of these, both printers
> and the hard drive were exchanged under their wonderful
> warranty but the CD-R drive had the poor taste of
> failing shortly after the warranty expired -- cost of
> repair is unrealistic and I had to discard it after
> using it for less than a year and a half. Pretty
> expensive!
> 
> At work we had 2 HP Laser Jets that required repair
> almost at the same frequency as changing toner
> cartridges...
> 
> I don't know that Canon products reliability is that
> much better, but can't imagine they are worse.
> 
> In the Sep. 19 issue of PC Mag, they tested 9 scanners
> for eBusiness. For image quality, Epson 1200U came out
> first. Canon N1220U and MicroTek 1200 shared second
> place. HP 4300C was in 3rd place with Visioneer and 3
> other scanners were last. Overall quality, the Epson
> was 1st, Canon 2nd and 4 other printers (HP included)
> 3rd.
> 
> As to the resulting large files when scanning at high
> resolution -- that's quite true. If anyone knows of a way
> to resolve fine details in small files, they should patent
> it (they will make a fortune). The Only way known to man
> (short of losing detail) is to compress the files (that's
> what the JPEG format does), but there is a limit, because
> lossy compression reduces quality. Even so -- and
> regardless of format -- increasing resolution will always
> increase file size.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Stan,
> >
> > Your point is clear,
> >
> > The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......
> >
> > But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
> > (scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
> > small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are
> not
> > good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a
> more
> > detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
> > I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
> > different scanners.
> >
> > Gretings Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> > > Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> > > scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good too.)
> I
> > > have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on text,
> > > unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
> > >
> > > Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is a
> > > loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
> > >
> > > Stan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Marc Stager
> > > Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > >
> > > For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > I don't recall the name.
> > >
> > > The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > >
> > > For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > check here:
> > >
> >
> http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> > > tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > >
> > > Have a good scan,
> > > ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > >
> > > =============================================
> > >
> > > At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > >
> > > >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
> poor
> > > >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> > want
> > > > to buy
> > > >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
> > > >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > >
> > > >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> > > >
> > > >Norman
> > >
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Sat Oct 14 04:23:40 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:23:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] HP makes good scanners just like Nak used to make great  tape decks ...
In-Reply-To: <39E7BA3D.896DBDD2@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGCEAGCDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

Ron -

You make some good points. And although I might be tempted to further
discuss, I'd rather stick to NAKS.

I think by now Norman can figure out what he needs.

Stan



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Ron
Sent: Fri, October 13, 2000 8:43 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] HP makes good scanners just like Nak used to make
great tape decks ...


Stan,

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.  I strongly
disagree that "Canon will not give [Norman] what he
is after." Or, for that matter, Epson, U-Max and many
others.

I understood Norman was after catching fine details.
What is needed is a scanner that will resolve such fine
details. Who makes it is irrelevant. Barring fraudulent
specs, scanners from *any* reputable manufacturer that
meet the required optical resolution will do.

While HP has a good reputation, they are by no means
the Rolls-Royce of scanners, printers or anything else.
I certainly would not dismiss PC Mag's reviews so
flippantly. This is what these people do for a living.
In the least, they are a highly respected team of
professionals that review equipment for a living.

I'll be happy to discuss this further, if anyone is
interested in the subject.

Peace,

-- Ron



Stan Targowski wrote:
>
> I appologize for talking about scanners again, but would just like to
> qualify something.
>
> We are talking about scanners. Ron, you have indicated you have had so
many
> HP products, but none of these were scanners. My point was made to HP
> scanners, I still feel that these are high quality products, I have one,
and
> am extremely happy with it.
>
> What I wanted to convey to Norman is that Canon will not give him what he
is
> after. I have a Computer Science degree, and have been doing/managing
> application development for 13 years, working in a big company (12,000
> associates) I have exposure to a lot of hardware, and in the scanner area
HP
> is indeed top rated - regardless of what today's issue of PC World may be
> saying.
>
> Just like with Nakamichi. Their tape decks were second to none. I had a
> pretty lousy experience with my TA2A Receiver, my friend didn't appreciate
> their CD players - this however shouldn't take away from their tape-deck
> genius.
>
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Ron
> Sent: Fri, October 13, 2000 6:45 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
> Gee, I don't want to argue with the local experts, but
> the Nakamichi/JVC analogy is *way* off. HP used to be at
> the top of the prestige pyramid, but this is no longer
> true.
>
> The only good thing you can say about HP is that
> their in-warranty service is exemplary -- they will
> exchange a failing product with a refurbished one
> within 24 hours. OTOH, their products really need it.
> I have here, in my home, 2 HP printers, an HP hard
> disk and an HP CD-R drive. Of these, both printers
> and the hard drive were exchanged under their wonderful
> warranty but the CD-R drive had the poor taste of
> failing shortly after the warranty expired -- cost of
> repair is unrealistic and I had to discard it after
> using it for less than a year and a half. Pretty
> expensive!
>
> At work we had 2 HP Laser Jets that required repair
> almost at the same frequency as changing toner
> cartridges...
>
> I don't know that Canon products reliability is that
> much better, but can't imagine they are worse.
>
> In the Sep. 19 issue of PC Mag, they tested 9 scanners
> for eBusiness. For image quality, Epson 1200U came out
> first. Canon N1220U and MicroTek 1200 shared second
> place. HP 4300C was in 3rd place with Visioneer and 3
> other scanners were last. Overall quality, the Epson
> was 1st, Canon 2nd and 4 other printers (HP included)
> 3rd.
>
> As to the resulting large files when scanning at high
> resolution -- that's quite true. If anyone knows of a way
> to resolve fine details in small files, they should patent
> it (they will make a fortune). The Only way known to man
> (short of losing detail) is to compress the files (that's
> what the JPEG format does), but there is a limit, because
> lossy compression reduces quality. Even so -- and
> regardless of format -- increasing resolution will always
> increase file size.
>
> -- Ron
>
> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Stan,
> >
> > Your point is clear,
> >
> > The idea of taking a onkyo for a nak......
> >
> > But a have a problem with the sharpness of the black and white scan
> > (scanning the dragon manual). The details on the original manual are so
> > small that you must zoom in the scan and then the words and letters are
> not
> > good readable. I thought that the canon (1200 x 2400 dpi) can give me a
> more
> > detailed scan. But i'am no expert thats for sure.
> > I think that a go to the shop with my manual and do a number of scans on
> > different scanners.
> >
> > Gretings Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> > > Sorry for talking about scanners. Norman - HP4200C is a perfectly good
> > > scanner. I wouldn't switch HP for a Canon (although they are good
too.)
> I
> > > have an HP6200C, it does a wonderful job on pictures and worse on
text,
> > > unless you use very high resolution, and resulting huge files.
> > >
> > > Stick to your HP. What you have is a CR3A, and you are considering is
a
> > > loaded 3 head Onkyo or JVC going Canon ...
> > >
> > > Stan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
> > > Marc Stager
> > > Sent: Thu, October 12, 2000 6:15 PM
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > >
> > > For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > I don't recall the name.
> > >
> > > The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > >
> > > For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > check here:
> > >
> >
>
http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/compu
> > > tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > >
> > > Have a good scan,
> > > ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > >
> > > =============================================
> > >
> > > At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > >
> > > >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
> poor
> > > >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> > want
> > > > to buy
> > > >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something
about
> > > >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > >
> > > >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality
PDF's.
> > > >
> > > >Norman
> > >
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sat Oct 14 06:23:22 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:53:22 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
Message-ID: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl>

Norman
Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution rather
than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products like
Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low prices that
HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly scanners.
Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the print is
small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small letters
come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1 bit
process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something rejects lot of
near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I doubt
another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very high. I feel
you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard disk space
requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent to go
for higher resolutions.
I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner for our
office ( flat bed ) soon,
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


>Thanks Marc
>
>I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
>difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in the
>readability of the server manuals scans.
>especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives problems.
>The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat) but
>that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi? But
i'm
>not sure of that.
>
>Norman
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
>
>> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
>>
>> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
>> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
>> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
>> I don't recall the name.
>>
>> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
>> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
>>
>> For a good overview of the current scanner market
>> check here:
>>
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
u
>tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
>>
>> Have a good scan,
>> ________________________________ Marc Stager
>>
>> =============================================
>>
>> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
>> >Hello Naktalkers,
>> >
>> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
>> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is poor
>> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
>want
>> > to buy
>> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something about
>> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
>> >
>> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
>> >
>> >Norman
>>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Oct 14 14:49:33 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:49:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx>

Hello Kennan,

I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon specs
1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for us
consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?

Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> Norman
> Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution rather
> than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products like
> Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low prices
that
> HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly scanners.
> Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the print
is
> small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small letters
> come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1 bit
> process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something rejects lot
of
> near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I doubt
> another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very high. I
feel
> you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard disk
space
> requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent to go
> for higher resolutions.
> I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner for our
> office ( flat bed ) soon,
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
>
> >Thanks Marc
> >
> >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
> >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in the
> >readability of the server manuals scans.
> >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
problems.
> >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat) but
> >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi? But
> i'm
> >not sure of that.
> >
> >Norman
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> >>
> >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> >> I don't recall the name.
> >>
> >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> >>
> >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> >> check here:
> >>
>
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> u
> >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> >>
> >> Have a good scan,
> >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> >>
> >> =============================================
> >>
> >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> >> >
> >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
poor
> >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> >want
> >> > to buy
> >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something
about
> >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> >> >
> >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> >> >
> >> >Norman
> >>
> >>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 15:27:36 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:27:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net>


1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
It follows that the pixels are not square.

Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
(1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
bit snappier, but not by much.

-- Ron



Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> 
> Hello Kennan,
> 
> I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
> something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon specs
> 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for us
> consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> 
> Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> 
> Norman
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> 
> > Norman
> > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution rather
> > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products like
> > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low prices
> that
> > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly scanners.
> > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the print
> is
> > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small letters
> > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1 bit
> > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something rejects lot
> of
> > near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I doubt
> > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very high. I
> feel
> > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard disk
> space
> > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent to go
> > for higher resolutions.
> > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner for our
> > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > Kannan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> > >Thanks Marc
> > >
> > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
> > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in the
> > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
> problems.
> > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat) but
> > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi? But
> > i'm
> > >not sure of that.
> > >
> > >Norman
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > >>
> > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > >> I don't recall the name.
> > >>
> > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > >>
> > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > >> check here:
> > >>
> >
> >http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > u
> > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > >>
> > >> Have a good scan,
> > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > >>
> > >> =============================================
> > >>
> > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > >> >
> > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality is
> poor
> > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual, so i
> > >want
> > >> > to buy
> > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something
> about
> > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > >> >
> > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality PDF's.
> > >> >
> > >> >Norman
> > >>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Oct 14 16:19:02 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:19:02 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx> <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net>
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Thanks Ron,

it's clear.
It looks to me that the optical system of the scanner (1200x2400) is more
high tech then 1200x1200. But if you can see it?

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


>
> 1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
> across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
> length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
> It follows that the pixels are not square.
>
> Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
> (1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
> bit snappier, but not by much.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> >
> > Hello Kennan,
> >
> > I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
> > something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon
specs
> > 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for
us
> > consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> >
> > Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> >
> > Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> > > Norman
> > > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> > > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution
rather
> > > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products
like
> > > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low
prices
> > that
> > > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly
scanners.
> > > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the
print
> > is
> > > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small
letters
> > > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1
bit
> > > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something rejects
lot
> > of
> > > near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I
doubt
> > > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very high.
I
> > feel
> > > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard disk
> > space
> > > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent
to go
> > > for higher resolutions.
> > > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner for
our
> > > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > > Kannan
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > >Thanks Marc
> > > >
> > > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see the
> > > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in
the
> > > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
> > problems.
> > > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using acrobat)
but
> > > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600 dpi?
But
> > > i'm
> > > >not sure of that.
> > > >
> > > >Norman
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > > >>
> > > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > >> I don't recall the name.
> > > >>
> > > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > > >>
> > > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > >> check here:
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > > u
> > > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > > >>
> > > >> Have a good scan,
> > > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > > >>
> > > >> =============================================
> > > >>
> > > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality
is
> > poor
> > > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual,
so i
> > > >want
> > > >> > to buy
> > > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say something
> > about
> > > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality
PDF's.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Norman
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Oct 14 17:12:25 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:12:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx> <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net> <000c01c035e9$b459a5c0$2d8855c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <007501c035f1$2973cfa0$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

I looked at a Epson Perfection 1200U (USB) 1200S (SCSI) (1200 x 2400 dpi)
www.cnet.com 's highest rated scanner but neither model appears to have
drivers for Windows 2000 or 95.

My HP 5100C scans beautifully, now discontinued.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> Thanks Ron,
>
> it's clear.
> It looks to me that the optical system of the scanner (1200x2400) is more
> high tech then 1200x1200. But if you can see it?
>
> Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
>
>
> >
> > 1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
> > across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
> > length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
> > It follows that the pixels are not square.
> >
> > Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
> > (1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
> > bit snappier, but not by much.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Kennan,
> > >
> > > I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
> > > something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon
> specs
> > > 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for
> us
> > > consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> > >
> > > Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > > > Norman
> > > > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> > > > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution
> rather
> > > > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products
> like
> > > > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low
> prices
> > > that
> > > > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly
> scanners.
> > > > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the
> print
> > > is
> > > > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small
> letters
> > > > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1
> bit
> > > > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something
rejects
> lot
> > > of
> > > > near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I
> doubt
> > > > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very
high.
> I
> > > feel
> > > > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard
disk
> > > space
> > > > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent
> to go
> > > > for higher resolutions.
> > > > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner
for
> our
> > > > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > > > Kannan
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Thanks Marc
> > > > >
> > > > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see
the
> > > > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in
> the
> > > > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > > > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
> > > problems.
> > > > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using
acrobat)
> but
> > > > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600
dpi?
> But
> > > > i'm
> > > > >not sure of that.
> > > > >
> > > > >Norman
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > > >> I don't recall the name.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > > >> check here:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
>
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > > > u
> > > > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Have a good scan,
> > > > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > > > >>
> > > > >> =============================================
> > > > >>
> > > > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality
> is
> > > poor
> > > > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual,
> so i
> > > > >want
> > > > >> > to buy
> > > > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say
something
> > > about
> > > > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality
> PDF's.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Norman
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 17:48:19 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:48:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx> <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net> <000c01c035e9$b459a5c0$2d8855c3@asuscubx> <007501c035f1$2973cfa0$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <39E88043.8C51E9C9@concentric.net>


PC Mag tested the Epson 1200U under Windows 98. Like Cnet,
they also almost ran out of superlatives to describe it:
"Rarely does a product earn our top honors in a such a
clear cut way". "Epson Perfection 1200U was about as
perfect as a modern day scanner could be". "Impressive
image quality". "you'll find scans from the Perfection
to be superb", etc. According to them, it's $200 street,
compared to the HP 4300C $150. They also mentioned that
the HP is "worth a look" for easy PDF file creation.

-- Ron


"John M. Tooley" wrote:
> 
> I looked at a Epson Perfection 1200U (USB) 1200S (SCSI) (1200 x 2400 dpi)
> www.cnet.com 's highest rated scanner but neither model appears to have
> drivers for Windows 2000 or 95.
> 
> My HP 5100C scans beautifully, now discontinued.
> 
> John
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> 
> > Thanks Ron,
> >
> > it's clear.
> > It looks to me that the optical system of the scanner (1200x2400) is more
> > high tech then 1200x1200. But if you can see it?
> >
> > Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
> > > across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
> > > length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
> > > It follows that the pixels are not square.
> > >
> > > Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
> > > (1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
> > > bit snappier, but not by much.
> > >
> > > -- Ron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Kennan,
> > > >
> > > > I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There is
> > > > something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical, Canon
> > specs
> > > > 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means for
> > us
> > > > consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> > > >
> > > > Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> > > >
> > > > Norman
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > >
> > > > > Norman
> > > > > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your home
> > > > > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical resolution
> > rather
> > > > > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese products
> > like
> > > > > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low
> > prices
> > > > that
> > > > > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly
> > scanners.
> > > > > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when the
> > print
> > > > is
> > > > > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with small
> > letters
> > > > > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which is 1
> > bit
> > > > > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something
> rejects
> > lot
> > > > of
> > > > > near black details and that is why you are getting poor scanning. I
> > doubt
> > > > > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very
> high.
> > I
> > > > feel
> > > > > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only hard
> disk
> > > > space
> > > > > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it prudent
> > to go
> > > > > for higher resolutions.
> > > > > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a scanner
> for
> > our
> > > > > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > > > > Kannan
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks Marc
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can see
> the
> > > > > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner  in
> > the
> > > > > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > > > > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it gives
> > > > problems.
> > > > > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using
> acrobat)
> > but
> > > > > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600
> dpi?
> > But
> > > > > i'm
> > > > > >not sure of that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Norman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400 dpi
> > > > > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear PDF's
> > > > > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > > > >> I don't recall the name.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the hardware.
> > > > > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > > > >> check here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > > > > u
> > > > > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Have a good scan,
> > > > > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> =============================================
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > > > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > > > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the quality
> > is
> > > > poor
> > > > > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original manual,
> > so i
> > > > > >want
> > > > > >> > to buy
> > > > > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say
> something
> > > > about
> > > > > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good quality
> > PDF's.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Norman
> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Oct 14 18:14:41 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:14:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <002801c03596$7d6aed60$42d60192@vsnl> <001201c035dd$3408a440$5d8855c3@asuscubx> <39E85F48.BAC818DD@concentric.net> <000c01c035e9$b459a5c0$2d8855c3@asuscubx> <007501c035f1$2973cfa0$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <39E88043.8C51E9C9@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <00a801c035f9$dc1ab300$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Yeah the reviews of this scanner are all very impressive.  cnet quotes best
price at $161.20, if it had USB/SCSI Windows 2000 drivers I would grab one.

And now back to our original program already under way, naktalk at naks.com ,
sorry fellow nakers.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


>
> PC Mag tested the Epson 1200U under Windows 98. Like Cnet,
> they also almost ran out of superlatives to describe it:
> "Rarely does a product earn our top honors in a such a
> clear cut way". "Epson Perfection 1200U was about as
> perfect as a modern day scanner could be". "Impressive
> image quality". "you'll find scans from the Perfection
> to be superb", etc. According to them, it's $200 street,
> compared to the HP 4300C $150. They also mentioned that
> the HP is "worth a look" for easy PDF file creation.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> "John M. Tooley" wrote:
> >
> > I looked at a Epson Perfection 1200U (USB) 1200S (SCSI) (1200 x 2400
dpi)
> > www.cnet.com 's highest rated scanner but neither model appears to have
> > drivers for Windows 2000 or 95.
> >
> > My HP 5100C scans beautifully, now discontinued.
> >
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> >
> > > Thanks Ron,
> > >
> > > it's clear.
> > > It looks to me that the optical system of the scanner (1200x2400) is
more
> > > high tech then 1200x1200. But if you can see it?
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 1200 x 2400 means that the resolution is 1200dpi
> > > > across the width of the paper, but 2400 along its
> > > > length. A square inch contains 2.88 million pixels.
> > > > It follows that the pixels are not square.
> > > >
> > > > Compared side by side with a 1200x1200 scan
> > > > (1.44 million pixels per in. sq.), it does look a
> > > > bit snappier, but not by much.
> > > >
> > > > -- Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Kennan,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think i compare a couple of scanners with 1200 dpi specs. There
is
> > > > > something  else i don't understand : Hp specs 1200 dpi optical,
Canon
> > > specs
> > > > > 1200 x 2400 dpi optical . Do you know what the last 2400 dpi means
for
> > > us
> > > > > consumers? Is the canon a 1200 dpi or a 2400 dpi scanner?
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings to all and thanks for thinking with me
> > > > >
> > > > > Norman
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> > > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:23 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > >
> > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > Your point is a valid one like hearing an Audio product at your
home
> > > > > > exactly - is exactly what you need. But look at Optical
resolution
> > > rather
> > > > > > than published maximum resolution when comparing. Taiwanese
products
> > > like
> > > > > > Umax have definitely improved their products with aggressive low
> > > prices
> > > > > that
> > > > > > HP products over the year had come down in price - particularly
> > > scanners.
> > > > > > Gnerally I find grey scale scanning produces better detail when
the
> > > print
> > > > > is
> > > > > > small and little fuzzy. Whereas laser printed docs even with
small
> > > letters
> > > > > > come out beautifully when scanned using Black and white - which
is 1
> > > bit
> > > > > > process naturally software or image resoving CCD or something
> > rejects
> > > lot
> > > > > of
> > > > > > near black details and that is why you are getting poor
scanning. I
> > > doubt
> > > > > > another scanner may do better unless Optical resolution is very
> > high.
> > > I
> > > > > feel
> > > > > > you can try your HP with Grey scale higher resolution - only
hard
> > disk
> > > > > space
> > > > > > requirement may be very high but cost consideration makes it
prudent
> > > to go
> > > > > > for higher resolutions.
> > > > > > I am keenly awaiting your reults as I am planning to buy a
scanner
> > for
> > > our
> > > > > > office ( flat bed ) soon,
> > > > > > Kannan
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:29 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks Marc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I think i go to the shop doing test scans. I hope that i can
see
> > the
> > > > > > >difference between my scanner (600 dpi ) and a 1200 dpi scanner
in
> > > the
> > > > > > >readability of the server manuals scans.
> > > > > > >especialy the mainboard pages with very tiny letters on it
gives
> > > > > problems.
> > > > > > >The letters are not good readable so you must zoom in (using
> > acrobat)
> > > but
> > > > > > >that doesn't help. So i thought that my problem lays in the 600
> > dpi?
> > > But
> > > > > > i'm
> > > > > > >not sure of that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Norman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: Marc Stager <marc at stager.com>
> > > > > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > > > >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:14 AM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> As a rule, Canon makes a decent product.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> For text scanning you should be using a setting of 300 or 400
dpi
> > > > > > >> to a GIF file. It/they can later be made into nice clear
PDF's
> > > > > > >> with Acrobat or a shareware program mentioned here before -
> > > > > > >> I don't recall the name.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The loss of quality may be in your transfer, not in the
hardware.
> > > > > > >> 300 dpi is the minimum for good readable text.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> For a good overview of the current scanner market
> > > > > > >> check here:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>http://computershopper.zdnet.com/texis/cs/doframe.html?u=www.zdnet.com/comp
> > > > > > u
> > > > > > >tershopper/edit/howtobuy/
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Have a good scan,
> > > > > > >> ________________________________ Marc Stager
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> =============================================
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> At 10/12/00, you wrote:
> > > > > > >> >Hello Naktalkers,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >Is there someone who has experience with Canon Scanners?
> > > > > > >> >I'm scanning some manuals with a HP4200C Scanner and the
quality
> > > is
> > > > > poor
> > > > > > >> >  because of the very very small details on the original
manual,
> > > so i
> > > > > > >want
> > > > > > >> > to buy
> > > > > > >> >another one and i thought maybe some naktalkers can say
> > something
> > > > > about
> > > > > > >> >scanning quality of Canon. (FB1220U ?)
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >Not a Nak question but important for us all making good
quality
> > > PDF's.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >Norman
> > >
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 14 18:39:14 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:39:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Cr-7 Scan mailled...
Message-ID: <LAW-OE28r4sRQde13YD00000b5b@hotmail.com>

Norman, I just send you again the CR-7 exerpt,    and it failled again.
I think hotmail did not permit users to send file as large as 860 ko.
I am sorry.

A solution can be that I upload it to Nak.com ftp site ...
It it the Amplifier section. it contains pb amp, rec amp, dolby pcb, power supply.

I will soon own a 1200 x 2400 HP scanner, then I will upload the complete service manual with a very better quality vs this try.

Regards,
Matyas

Une erreur inconnue s'est produite. Compte : 'Hotmail', Serveur : 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocole : HTTPMail, Réponse du serveur : 'Message size is too large', Port : 0, Sécurisé (SSL) : Non, Numéro d'erreur : 0x80004005



Today Matyas wrote:

Hi Norman!  there is again the CR-7 amplifier section :-)

The scanner I use to make this PDF was an Epson 7000 (click on this link for specs)

You surely will find this scan lousy, but keep in mind that what is scanned here is a A3 reduced to A4, what is printed on that A4 xeroxed  is unbelivable small !!!
Far more than the details that lay on the dragon diagrams (I own only the diagram pages A3 xeroxed of it)

Can you tell me one thing, does the older Nak manuals were having bigger printed shematics ?

Have fun to compare the Dragon and Cr-7 entrails, they are so close !!!
That make the so called sonic difference between them is surely that the CR-7 might have less "stress" on the + - 12V rails
that are dedicated to the audio circuits, other voltages are supplied for other logic/mechanical needs, unlike the Dragon which aven't some ..
And the op amp for output is a faster one j-FET, among others ...
I am urged to discuss of it on Naktalk

Good luck in your scanner quest !!!
Regards,
Matyas



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct 14 19:35:31 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:35:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <007501c035f1$2973cfa0$bc496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>

For give this non-Nak question (but I didn't start this!) but what is SCSI?
I'm afraid I have very little knowledge on this subject but I too want a
decent scanner, esp. for photographs and transparencies/slides.  However, I
have a Dell Pentium II PC that has serial and parallel interface and no USB
port.

Graham

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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 14 21:43:14 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:43:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <39E8B752.3AD0DDD7@concentric.net>

Graham Nelson wrote:
> 
> For give this non-Nak question (but I didn't start this!) but what is SCSI?
> I'm afraid I have very little knowledge on this subject but I too want a
> decent scanner, esp. for photographs and transparencies/slides.  However, I
> have a Dell Pentium II PC that has serial and parallel interface and no USB
> port.
> 
> Graham


SCSI is simply another type of interface, such as
serial, parallel or USB (stands for Small Computer
System Interface). It's advantage is that it's very
fast (there are a few types of SCSI. The fastest,
if memory serves, delivers 160MB/Sec). Another
advantage is that SCSI supports up to 7 (or 15 --
depends on SCSI type) devices, while using computer
resources for only one device.

SCSI requires that the computer have a SCSI port,
into which you plug the SCSI device. The Epson 1200S
comes with a host adapter card (accounting for much
of its $100 price increase over the 1200U USB
scanner), that will take a PCI slot and provide the
required SCSI port.

If you have a USB port, the Epson 1200U will do just
as well. Scanners are very slow devices and do not
benefit from the SCSI speed capability.

-- Ron
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From mariano at starnet.net.ph  Sun Oct 15 01:31:31 2000
From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 07:31:31 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] User's Gallery
References: <ODICFABKOAPAJAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <002001c03636$e34297a0$4d0ab0cb@mariano>

Yeah!

Here's one more vote for the idea of a users gallery!

Mariano

----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Mr Blues" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #423


> Ed, this is a splendid idea!  If only Wouter has the motivation and time
to do such a thing, it would be a fitting addition to the Nak Website
reputation and legacy.  Imagine, a personalized photo gallery with all the
devoted NakTalkers portrayed embracing their beloved Nak gear.  What a
pleasing sight for us to behold!!!
>
> Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:16:03   naktalk-digest wrote:
> >
> >naktalk-digest        Friday, October 13 2000        Volume 02 : Number
423
> >
> >
>
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:01:02 -0400
> >From: Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
> >Subject: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
> >
> >All this talk of attachments with posts got me thinking of an old idea
from a few
> >years ago... what about the possibility of a users page on the site with
postings of
> >Naktalkers and their gear. I'd love to see a shot of Graham with a cup of
tea (or
> >rubbing alcohol perhaps depending on the hour) next to his beloved
Naks... or Carlos
> >amid the wall of great ones. I could go on, but you get the idea. Maybe
I'm crazy, but
> >it would be neat.
> >
> >Ed
> >
> >"Kannan. S" wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah I completely agree with Grahan and Blues - not because I was the
> >> unfortunate one to get caught in this, generally I do not attach any
files
> >> as we get thousands of resumes in to my machine with Word docs I had
found -
> >> good old text file is enough for 100% of the resumes we read.
> >> Almost I lost two days of precious time because of this virus and may
be
> >> some body else would have spent sleepless nights and days over it as PC
> >> today is main machine in our offices and home like telephone or Fax
> >> machines. Downtime due to virus attack is not worth. Somebody can send
a
> >> picture or any other interesting info to Wouter thru FTP area for safe
> >> receipt or viewing by all. And this is my humble opinion.
> >>
>
> Kannan - You are our most reasonable voice, since you have the intimate
feeling of inadvertently launching the naughty virus.  Perhaps others will
be influenced by your testimony here.  Regards......
>
> Blues
>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 5:35 AM
> >> Subject: [naktalk] Viruses
> >
>
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:14:59 +0200
> >From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What about a users gallery?
> >
> >Hi Ed,
> >
> >Good idea!
> >
> >Misha
> >
> >PS: Graham, my friend! Please don't cry, some day you will have a NAKS ;)
> >
>
> Peer pressure will have old Graham selling his little pinkies to
accumulate enough eurodollars to finally purchase that English Dragon he
dreams so often about.......
>
> Blues
>
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >End of naktalk-digest V2 #423
> >*****************************
> >
> >
>
>
> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
>
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From MikeSwank at aol.com  Sun Oct 15 03:46:48 2000
From: MikeSwank at aol.com (MikeSwank at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:46:48 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] used Naks for sale
Message-ID: <62.8051b7f.271a6688@aol.com>

I have bought from these guys and they stand behind their sales 100%

Mike

<A HREF="http://www.audioclassics.com/">Audio Classics - Used McIntosh Krell 
Sunfire Ma
</A>
<A HREF="http://www.audioclassics.com/cat.php3?cat=Cassette%20Decks">Audio 
Classics - Cassette Decks</A>
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Sun Oct 15 14:15:17 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:15:17 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] used Naks for sale
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485922@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

I concur.  Sometimes a little bit more expensive, but I have
always gotten top notch looking and working gear.

Raul

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 3:47 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] used Naks for sale


I have bought from these guys and they stand behind their sales 100%

Mike

<A HREF="http://www.audioclassics.com/">Audio Classics - Used McIntosh Krell

Sunfire Ma...</A>
<A HREF="http://www.audioclassics.com/cat.php3?cat=Cassette%20Decks">Audio 
Classics - Cassette Decks</A>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct 15 20:56:21 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:56:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale
In-Reply-To: <62.8051b7f.271a6688@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c036d9$9b7c6d80$769f883e@a4s1s2>

You collectors out there may be interested in what I've just spotted on
e-Bay ...

"Tandberg TCD-910 MINT!!! "  Item #467169250

Currently, it's at $900 ...


Graham

PS If a Dragon owner buys this and thinks it kills his Dragon, give the
Dragon to me - I'm not proud!

>

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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sun Oct 15 21:05:58 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:05:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]>


Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?

Des
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct 15 21:26:52 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:26:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2> <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]>
Message-ID: <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>

Desmond Hidson wrote:
> 
> Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?

NakTalk, by all means. Still, historically, this
mailing list has been, generally, open minded. In
the past, we have discussed improving analog and
digital gear, Sorbothane, Jazz music, CD players
and turntables -- to name a few. Since we've
recently been hit by a virus, this occupied a few
posts. Since posting manuals and schematics
involves scanning, we have chatted about these,
too.

Personally, I see no harm in diversification. If
a certain subject is of no interest, why, just
delete. It's no big deal.

-- Ron
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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Mon Oct 16 00:14:52 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:14:52 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi VCR
Message-ID: <78.b711ef2.271b865c@aol.com>

I've never heard of Nakamichi having made a vcr until the other day! Does 
anybody know anything about it - when it was produced, features, et al.??? 
Does anyone have a picture of it?

Thanks,

Rob
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct 16 00:19:16 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:19:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000101c036f5$f46ac7e0$13d4883e@a4s1s2>



Ron said.
>
> NakTalk, by all means. Still, historically, this
> mailing list has been, generally, open minded. In
> the past, we have discussed improving analog and
> digital gear, Sorbothane, Jazz music, CD players
> and turntables -- to name a few. Since we've
> recently been hit by a virus, this occupied a few
> posts. Since posting manuals and schematics
> involves scanning, we have chatted about these,
> too.
>
> Personally, I see no harm in diversification. If
> a certain subject is of no interest, why, just
> delete. It's no big deal.
>
>

I agree and not least since the issue of scanners is, to a large extent, for
the long-term benefit of the List members present and future, esp. for the
sharing of manuals that can otherwise cost silly money.

Graham

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct 16 00:19:12 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:19:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CASSETTE COLLECTORS NOTE .... Pioneer CTS830S FOR SALE.
In-Reply-To: <62.8051b7f.271a6688@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c036f5$f231a0c0$13d4883e@a4s1s2>

I happen to know the guy selling this.  The kit will be in very good nick.
I've also heard some stuff recorded on this machine and it was  truly
excellent... even if it was employing Dolby S.

Graham

> http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/42390161.

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct 16 01:01:17 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:01:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale
Message-ID: <002e01c036fb$d3b32c80$7293bccf@sank1>

It is sooooo NOT a Dragon slayer!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, October 15, 2000 1:17 PM
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale


>You collectors out there may be interested in what I've just spotted on
>e-Bay ...
>
>"Tandberg TCD-910 MINT!!! "  Item #467169250
>
>Currently, it's at $900 ...
>
>
>Graham
>
>PS If a Dragon owner buys this and thinks it kills his Dragon, give the
>Dragon to me - I'm not proud!
>
>>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct 16 01:27:57 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:27:57 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2> <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]>
Message-ID: <005d01c036ff$8db4ca50$c2496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

I didn't realize that Nak. made a scanner.  I bet it's in black. :-)

----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


>
> Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?
>
> Des
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct 16 01:29:30 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:29:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2> <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]> <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <006701c036ff$c4c55140$c2496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

I'll second that, but please no beer ads.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scanner Questions


> Desmond Hidson wrote:
> >
> > Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?
>
> NakTalk, by all means. Still, historically, this
> mailing list has been, generally, open minded. In
> the past, we have discussed improving analog and
> digital gear, Sorbothane, Jazz music, CD players
> and turntables -- to name a few. Since we've
> recently been hit by a virus, this occupied a few
> posts. Since posting manuals and schematics
> involves scanning, we have chatted about these,
> too.
>
> Personally, I see no harm in diversification. If
> a certain subject is of no interest, why, just
> delete. It's no big deal.
>
> -- Ron
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From MikeSwank at aol.com  Mon Oct 16 04:45:35 2000
From: MikeSwank at aol.com (MikeSwank at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:45:35 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] For sale decks at Audiogon
Message-ID: <6b.af9690e.271bc5cf@aol.com>

 More Nakamichi cassette decks for sale
<A HREF="http://www.audiogon.com/">Audiogon high end audio auctions, 
classifieds, 
</A>
http://www.audiogon.com/
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Oct 16 09:48:21 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:48:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale
In-Reply-To: <002e01c036fb$d3b32c80$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <000301c03745$74d71e20$5a52883e@a4s1s2>

Stephen DON'T!!!  I'm trying to talk down the market here, so I can afford
one!  :¬)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Stephen Sank
> Sent: 16 October 2000 00:01
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragon Slayer for sale
>
>
> It is sooooo NOT a Dragon slayer!
>
> S

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct 16 11:09:46 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:09:46 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>

I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service into
it as well, though.  Here it is:
The Talking Dog Transducer Company
My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue, in
sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
So, what do y'all think?

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
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From brianwinans at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 16 12:15:12 2000
From: brianwinans at hotmail.com (brian winans)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:15:12 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <F106Qq5pneeFUtLch9w00001fe1@hotmail.com>

How about: "Ribbon mic's, Nak's, and Mac's INC.


>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:09:46 -0600
>
>I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
>more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
>guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
>building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service 
>into
>it as well, though.  Here it is:
>The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue, in
>sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>So, what do y'all think?
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Oct 16 13:46:43 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:46:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <000901c03766$c1875e80$ac496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Sounds good, let's see your Nipper.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:09 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service
into
> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue,
in
> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> So, what do y'all think?
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>
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From brianm at grar.com  Mon Oct 16 14:36:36 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:36:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Recording level
References: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1> <000901c03766$c1875e80$ac496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>
Message-ID: <004001c0376d$eddcb000$1f021fac@brianm>

When setting the recording level, do you adhere strictly to the manual,
record higher, record lower???

Opinions, thoughts, etc...

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.

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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Mon Oct 16 15:14:31 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:14:31 +0200
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Recording level
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF3699@MCHH214E>

Normally I stick to the manual adjusting the level but I discovered that the high frequencies are nearer to the original when I adjust the BIAS 2 LED's above the zero position. I'm not sure but I think I've read that this setting reduces the BIAS current and I discovered this phenomenon on both of my Nak machines (Dragon, ZX-9).

Any other suggestions?

> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Brian Miller [SMTP:brianm at grar.com]
> Gesendet am:	Montag, 16. Oktober 2000 14:37
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	[naktalk] Recording level
> 
> When setting the recording level, do you adhere strictly to the manual,
> record higher, record lower???
> 
> Opinions, thoughts, etc...
> 
> Brian Miller
> Michigan
> 
> If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
> believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
> dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
> unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
> made unto salvation.
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Mon Oct 16 17:38:22 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:38:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 vs CR-7
Message-ID: <002201c03787$1f5746e0$0100007f@localhost>

Hi all!

I have a question about sound quality CR-4 vs. CR-7.
Personaly I prefer manual ajustments of CR-4 but
I heard a lot about great sounds of CR-7. Is there any 
significant differences in between those two decks?
Which one is more "desirable"?
I have CR-4 but now there is an oportunity to get CR-7.

Misha


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct 16 17:19:26 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:19:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <01a401c03784$79198420$7393bccf@sank1>

Hey, I don't show anybody my Nipper until I get to know them really well.
What kind of a tech do you think I am?

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>Sounds good, let's see your Nipper.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:09 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
>> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
>> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
>> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
speaker
>> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service
>into
>> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue,
>in
>> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>> So, what do y'all think?
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>>
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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Mon Oct 16 20:54:40 2000
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:54:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39EB4EEA.7CBE8837@sprintmail.com>

Stephen,

Having just finished videotaping a conference of lawyers talking about copyright
infringement, branding and other related subjects, I must ask if the sunglasses and
hat will be enough to keep the lawyers at bay.  From the sound of things at this
meeting I'm guessing that we have at least a couple of lawyers out there who are
looking of something to do!

Videovern

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct 16 18:19:30 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:19:30 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 vs CR-7
Message-ID: <01c501c0378c$ddb43da0$7393bccf@sank1>

Hi, Misha.
The good thing about the CR-4 is that they were ALL gear drive, and there
were no mistakes in the rec EQ circuits as there were in early CR-7's.
Also, they have that super sexy copper plated chassis.  However, a
ger-drived, EQ-corrected CR-7 is still a better recorder & player, by virtue
of better electronics.  It is not a really big difference, but it is there.
Also, while the manual system for bias/rec level on the CR-4 is really nice,
it does not give individual left & right controls.  Market-value wise, the
CR-4 is usually 50 to 60 percent of CR-7 prices, so if you find a CR-4 for
much less than that, it is a very good buy any way you look at it.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 vs CR-7


>Hi all!
>
>I have a question about sound quality CR-4 vs. CR-7.
>Personaly I prefer manual ajustments of CR-4 but
>I heard a lot about great sounds of CR-7. Is there any
>significant differences in between those two decks?
>Which one is more "desirable"?
>I have CR-4 but now there is an oportunity to get CR-7.
>
>Misha
>
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From jannissu at worldonline.nl  Mon Oct 16 19:28:56 2000
From: jannissu at worldonline.nl (Jannis)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:28:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4
Message-ID: <001601c03796$b0eb3300$15f0f1c3@jannissu>

According to the manual the CR-4 can be remotely controled with RM-5 which I don't have. Can I use my RM-200 instead?

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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Oct 16 19:35:04 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:35:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CASSETTE COLLECTORS NOTE .... Pioneer CTS830S FOR SALE.
References: <000001c036f5$f231a0c0$13d4883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <39EB3C48.816C30FA@sunint.co.za>

No doubt about it, the CT-S830S is a splendid deck, although I have heard politely
negative comment about  it here. Later,  someone remarked that they thought it was
better than the CT-95.  But I never saw a bad mag review on it (or it's sister, the
CT-S740S which is identitcal in every important respect  but slightly newer ).
Admittedly, it does have the Pioneer house sound (upfront, fast, vocals are well
projected, not what I call 'warm').  The BLE-XD set up is not everyone's cup of tea.
Its dual cap transport  is very stable.  With TDK SA it will eat minidisc for
breakfast, lunch and dinner. It doesn't have the build of the CT91, 93 or 95 or for
that matter,  Nakamichis.  But then, you must treat it nice.(sic).  In a way, they're
kind of, over-compact in build, a bit like the newer Sony decks which Stephen doesn't
like. Stephen, your rantings are world class!!!  I can't wait for you to get your hands
on a DR-5.  For more steel and less plastic, a new TEAC V8030S can still be found and
that's quite a machine.  Built to last, and a taste of TASCAM 122.  Most of these decks
are discontinued now.

Anyhow, Graham, my point was, a well cared for CT-S830S is tremendously easy to live
with, to say the least.

Cheers all - BTW - the photo idea is great.

Marc Hugo

Graham Nelson wrote:

> I happen to know the guy selling this.  The kit will be in very good nick.
> I've also heard some stuff recorded on this machine and it was  truly
> excellent... even if it was employing Dolby S.
>
> Graham
>
> > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/42390161.
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 16 20:42:11 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:42:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Amplifier Section Uploaded
Message-ID: <LAW-OE223tEqJdRz0RU00000bfd@hotmail.com>

Hi Nak fellows !

I just upload on the Naks.com FTP site an exerpt of my CR-7 service manual,
which is the audio circuits, Take it as a "snack" before I own a descent scanner (HP scanjet 5370), time in which I will scan the complete manual with a higer resolution.

I am urge to discuss with all of you the slight differances that make CR-7 sounding better vs Dragon.
-when Norman will resolve his scanner problems, of course :o)

Sincerly,

Matyas Csillagi
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From jeidbo at toolcity.net  Mon Oct 16 23:04:44 2000
From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (Joel Eidbo)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:04:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <004b01c037b4$b6978c40$5ce90bd0@oemcomputer>

how about         Ribbons and Bose?    Ouch!  joel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:09 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service
into
> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue,
in
> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> So, what do y'all think?
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Oct 17 01:32:01 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:32:01 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <020301c037c9$495c16e0$7393bccf@sank1>

Very clever, but heinously horrible, Joel.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Eidbo <jeidbo at toolcity.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>how about         Ribbons and Bose?    Ouch!  joel
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:09 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
>> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
>> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
>> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
speaker
>> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service
>into
>> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue,
>in
>> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>> So, what do y'all think?
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 17 03:32:37 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:32:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001016201825.01c63570@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/16/00, you wrote:
>...I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
>building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh service into
>it as well, though.  Here it is:

>The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog statue, in
>sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>So, what do y'all think?

.................................

Well, the logic of the original Nipper logo was that his "master's
voice" was playing on the gramophone and it sounded so real, the dog
sat there listening intently.

I don't see any reason for the dog in your idea. Besides, dog's
been done.

How about a cat this time - tearing a ribbon to shreds.
Caption: "We can fix it!".

Seriously, Steve...

"The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
part of your gig.

How about just "Sank Service Lab". Simple and professional.
You do great work and your good name is your greatest asset.
No need for gimmicks.

If you do warranty service, that's a valuable endorsement from
the manufacturers. Seek out new warranty service contracts.

The speaker building part will be the toughest, methinks.
There are hundreds of small speaker shops all over the country.
You goal might be to get a pair to an influential reviewer
and hope you get a sparkling crititique. Then you'll find
yourself getting more business than you can handle. Otherwise
that part of the business probably won't be making money anytime
soon.

As to your service shop:

You probably won't do a lot of walk-in business in Albuquerque
so mail order customers are important.

You service two different clienteles: recording pros - repairing
RCA and other ribbon mics, and consumers - with McIntosh, Tandberg,
Nakamichi and other home type stereo gear.

Keep them separate and target your potential customer bases with
ads in publication like Mix and Pro Sound News for microphone
service, and Stereophile and Absolute Sound for the mid to
high-end consumer trade. But that could get expensive.

Then, of course, there's the Internet.
One cheap and effective way to promote your business is an
occasional auction on eBay, with links to your shop. Other
mailing lists like the Ampex list reach the pros, while a
couple of entries in the rec.audio newsgroups; marketplace,
tubes, pro, etc. gets your name around.

And, if you get my three RCA BK5B's sounding really nice and
you don't charge me for it, I'll mention your name to a couple
of people.

________________________ Marc Stager

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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Tue Oct 17 05:30:13 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:30:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner Questions
In-Reply-To: <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>
References: <000201c03605$26d1e480$e883883e@a4s1s2>
 <a05001901b60fb02c8b33@[142.58.46.3]> <39EA04FC.54351E10@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <a05001901b611764cecbc@[142.58.46.3]>

>Desmond Hidson wrote:
>>
>>  Is this naktalk or a computer, scanner newsgroup?
>
>NakTalk, by all means. Still, historically, this
>mailing list has been, generally, open minded.

Then is this Naktalk or a scanner newsgroup ?

>In
>the past, we have discussed improving analog and
>digital gear, Sorbothane, Jazz music, CD players
>and turntables -- to name a few.

All related to sound, music, recording, playback ...

>  Since we've
>recently been hit by a virus,

Nasty stuff, Use Mac and Eudora.

>this occupied a few
>posts.

Indeed ...

>  Since posting manuals and schematics
>involves scanning, we have chatted about these,
>too.

Hence my original querie ...

>Personally, I see no harm in diversification. If
>a certain subject is of no interest, why, just
delete. It's no big deal.
>
>-- Ron

>Or take it to an appropriate newsgroup or off list ...

Desmond


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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Oct 17 06:26:36 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:26:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #433
Message-ID: <EOENLHMEFEEAKAAA@angelfire.com>

Hi Matyas!  I'm wondering what causes you to champion the CR-7 as the ultimate Nak deck?  I favor the RX-505, which has all the good stuff and autoreverse (I'm into the conveniences that the RX series offers the audio enthusiast). That and exceptionally solid performance, something the wealthier fellows can afford to spend extra dollars on with the finicky Dragons.  Since I primarily create analogue cassettes from my stable source decks (three Marantz & and two RX Naks) that are matched in bias and head alignment, I have no resulting need for manual azimuth adjustment options.  I believe the record/playback specs on the 505 are right up there with the CR-7, close to the Dragon. Furthermore, I wonder if my aging ears could even hear the difference between these three heavenly decks.  So, further enlighten me, perhaps to the point that I will be swayed over to the CR-7 crowd. Honestly, if I had $1000 to spend on another Nak, I'd grab a 1000ZXL!!!

Best regards, and where do you call home base (country/city where your emails originate from?)?

Mr Blues
Madison, WI  USA

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On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:34:08   naktalk-digest wrote:
>

>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:42:11 +0200
>From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Amplifier Section Uploaded
>
>C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.

>
>Hi Nak fellows !
>
>I just upload on the Naks.com FTP site an exerpt of my CR-7 service =
>manual,
>which is the audio circuits, Take it as a "snack" before I own a descent =
>scanner (HP scanjet 5370), time in which I will scan the complete manual =
>with a higer resolution.
>
>I am urge to discuss with all of you the slight differances that make =
>CR-7 sounding better vs Dragon.
>- -when Norman will resolve his scanner problems, of course :o)
>
>Sincerly,
>
>Matyas Csillagi
>

>------------------------------

>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:04:44 -0400
>From: "Joel Eidbo" <jeidbo at toolcity.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>how about Ribbons and Bose?    Ouch!  joel
>

>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:32:01 -0600
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>Very clever, but heinously horrible, Joel.
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company


Stephen,

My suggestion is for you to bag the speaker gig,  and devote yourself to buying up all the boneyard Nakamichi gear you can find in the southwest USA and on the internet, rehabbing that to pristine specifications, and then selling to all us deprived collectors and audio enthusiasts around the world.  I'm sure you could make a handsome living dealing Nakamichis, and in your spare time evenings you could dabble in the microphone restoring business with nipper loyally beside you at your workbench!!!

Proposed business name - Nak & Nipper Restorers, Ltd. 

NNR, Ltd. Marketing Slogan - Send me your ribbons, capstans, and permalloy heads, whatever condition they may be, and we'll Sanktify your blessed audiophile souls!!!

Regards, and to all a sweet goodnight.......

Blues

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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Tue Oct 17 07:38:28 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 17 Oct 00 07:38:28 MSK
Subject: [[naktalk] Recording level]
Message-ID: <20001017043828.13814.qmail@wwcst269.netaddress.usa.net>

Usually I record with +3 dB (in my Technics it's Dolby level). When using
Metal tapes I can rise the level up to +5 dB without any artifacts. 

On Nak 700 I do not exceed 0 dB otherwise the recording becomes a bit
distorted.

Regards,

Nicholas.

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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Tue Oct 17 08:11:32 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 17 Oct 00 08:11:32 MSK
Subject: [Re: [naktalk] CASSETTE COLLECTORS NOTE .... Pioneer CTS830S FOR SALE.]
Message-ID: <20001017051132.14320.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Marc,

I suppose that "politely negative comment" about CT-S830S was mine. I would
like to say only one thing: I do not particularly like the sound of this deck
mostly because of its overexposed Pioneer-like sound pattern. If you DO like
this pattern - this deck for you. I prefer another patterns for instance JVC
(in medium price range) or TEAC/Sony-before 1992(in higher range). 

Nakamichi count separately, their rivals are ReVox or Tandberg.

Regards,

Nicholas.

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Oct 17 08:38:05 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:38:05 -0600
Subject: [[naktalk] Recording level](700 limits)
Message-ID: <031301c03804$cec649a0$7393bccf@sank1>

Having just done a "music stress test" on a 700 that I had just finished
calibrating(Ed's), I can absolutely tell you that you should be able to go
at least +5VU frequent-peaks level before noticing any distortion of any
kind, both on normal & chrome.  If not, your 700 is not biased properly.
The pre-1978 Naks were a bit idiosyncratic on bias calibration, so it is
very common for inexperienced techs to do it way wrong.  On XL-II, I was
whacking +7 before I started to even hear any loss of transient peaks.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nick <Modernizy at netscape.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [[naktalk] Recording level]


>Usually I record with +3 dB (in my Technics it's Dolby level). When using
>Metal tapes I can rise the level up to +5 dB without any artifacts.
>
>On Nak 700 I do not exceed 0 dB otherwise the recording becomes a bit
>distorted.
>
>Regards,
>
>Nicholas.
>
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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Tue Oct 17 16:18:30 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: 17 Oct 00 16:18:30 MSK
Subject: [naktalk] Recording level (700 limits)]
Message-ID: <20001017131830.726.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net>

Dear Stephen,

I think you must be right about 700's bias settings. It's my new aquisition
and I have not performed usual tests and checks on it yet.

Nicholas.

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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Tue Oct 17 20:39:19 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:39:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
Message-ID: <39EC9CD7.9118C94A@chello.at>

Hi Naka-friends!

Just want to ask another trivial question:

Which tapedeck is the best for recording, which one the best of playing
back?

I know that there could start an tremendous discussion - but that´s what
I´m intended;-))

I own a quite large deck collection (also some non-Nakas) - and just
want to know which is (in your opinion) the best

Greetings from Austria


Wolfgang



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 17 20:43:20 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:43:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <013401c03750$d5135820$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <000201c0386a$1f762860$efb5883e@a4s1s2>

Personally, I like it!  A lot.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Stephen Sank
> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as speaker
> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
> service into
> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
> statue, in
> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> So, what do y'all think?
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 17 20:56:02 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:56:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001016201825.01c63570@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <000001c0386b$e5ac3be0$d68f883e@a4s1s2>



>
> Seriously, Steve...
>
> "The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
> maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
> part of your gig.
>
>
Perhaps, but one of the more successful London based theatre companies is
called The Really Useful Company.  Personally, I'm thinking the wheel is
about to change from the short brand names - IBM, Apple, Virgin - and we're
going to start seeing more creative names, like Stephen has suggested,
because it will be these that stand out from the crowd.  So, for what it's
worth, if you can get by the copyright issue, I'd go for it!

Graham

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From penry at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Oct 17 21:29:54 2000
From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:29:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FA: Wow and Flutter Meter
Message-ID: <E7ADAD260BEED3119E7E0000F810CE17A7EB16@zrchb129.us.nortel.com>

If anyone is interested, I have a Leader Wow and Flutter Meter for auction
on ebay at :
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=470183425 if anyone
is interested.

I know it says US and Canada only but I will consider foreign countries, I
just don't know how to handle customs, etc.

I tested my old, worn, un-modified and un-maintained BX-100 (that I just
bought cheaply) with it and it just barely met wow and flutter
specifications!  This would be great for knowing when your Nak needs
attention.




Thanks,

Charles


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From brianm at grar.com  Tue Oct 17 21:47:10 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:47:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
References: <39EC9CD7.9118C94A@chello.at>
Message-ID: <008501c03873$0b878840$60021fac@brianm>

First, IMO, anyone that may test tape decks, the results could be subjective
due to whether or not they are up to spec.  Someone could claim deck A is
better than deck B and according to their test this could be true, but only
because one of the decks was mis-aligned.

I own a ZX-9 and a CR-7A, both have recently been gone through by ES Labs.
About a week or so ago I decided to try a head to head comparison.  I think
the ZX-9 has a slight edge in recording and the CR-7A *may* be a little
better in playback.  Let me say that they seemed to me to be so close is
became frustrating to hear for differences, my patients wore thin.  On my
test, I recorded the same songs on to the same brand tape, using the same
model interconnect and during playback I would have the CD source playing
and both decks and would switch between input selections to compare
differences.  When I say that I think the CR-7A *may* have better playback,
I derived at that by switching the tapes recorded in each and played them
back and I felt the tape recorded on the ZX-9 sounded better in the CR-7a
than the tape recorded in the CR-7a when played in the ZX-9.

I can only speak for these two decks, although I do feel they are two of the
top Nak decks.  I did own a 680 and I think it's performance is also tops,
but I can't say specifics as I didn't do a head to head with these.

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that
God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one
believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" <w.smetanig at chello.at>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 2:39 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???


Hi Naka-friends!

Just want to ask another trivial question:

Which tapedeck is the best for recording, which one the best of playing
back?

I know that there could start an tremendous discussion - but that´s what
I´m intended;-))

I own a quite large deck collection (also some non-Nakas) - and just
want to know which is (in your opinion) the best

Greetings from Austria


Wolfgang



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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 17 22:03:45 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:03:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <000001c0386b$e5ac3be0$d68f883e@a4s1s2>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001016201825.01c63570@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001017154314.01caeeb0@mail.flashcom.net>

Fine, but is it relevant?

If someone has a McIntosh amplifier that needs service and
sees an ad for "The Talking Dog Transducer Company", do you
think Steve's going to get a call?

Do you even think the owner of that amplifier will even
be interested in seeing if the Talking Dog company fixes
Mac amplifiers?

For a theater company or record company a cutesy name
is just fine, but there the product precedes the name.
You see all sorts of goofy production company names at the
beginning of a movie, but you've paid to see it because
you want to see that particular movie, not because a particular
production company made the film. Who cares if, in 1959,
a million selling Pat Boone record was produced by
"Cooga Mooga, Inc., Boone's production company.

Here, the name is what will draw or dissuade a new customer.

If you're in business to draw new customers, at least let them
know what business you are in. A huge company like Verizon
will spend millions announcing their name change so that the
public is aware that they are the former Bell Atlantic.
If you don't have the budget to do this sort of advertising,
you need a name that is simple, serious, and relevant,
particularly when you are reaching out to new customers
who have never heard of you before. It's just common sense.

___________________ Marc Stager

__________________________________

 > "The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
 > maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
 > part of your gig.
 >
Perhaps, but one of the more successful London based theatre companies is
called The Really Useful Company.  Personally, I'm thinking the wheel is
about to change from the short brand names - IBM, Apple, Virgin - and we're
going to start seeing more creative names, like Stephen has suggested,
because it will be these that stand out from the crowd.  So, for what it's
worth, if you can get by the copyright issue, I'd go for it!

Graham
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 17 23:20:40 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:20:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
In-Reply-To: <008501c03873$0b878840$60021fac@brianm>
References: <39EC9CD7.9118C94A@chello.at>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001017165456.01c72bf0@mail.flashcom.net>

Any Nakamichi, or any other decent cassette deck for that matter,
can make a fine recording if it's in peak condition and set up
for the specific tape you are using.

The limitation is no longer in the hardware but in the medium:
A tiny pair of magnetic tracks passing the heads at an incredibly
slow 1 7/8 ips takes a lot of technology to match the sound of a
good reel machine. The amazing thing is that they can get very,
very close.

Simple logic will tell you that if you are magnetizing 16 times
the area of magnetic particles with 4 track stereo at 7.5 IPS,
you will have lower distortion, wider bandwidth, and (without
cassette NR) higher s/n ratio.

Analog mastering machines without Dolby get 90 DB s/n ratio at
30IPS, 2 track half inch. 128 times as much magnetic media
pass under a head in the mastering deck than in a cassette deck.
The amazing thing is that you can get 86 db s/n ratio on the cassette
with Dolby S!  But the headroom, distortion, ... no comparison.

Which is why, if you really want the best sound the state of the
art cassette recording will allow, you have to go for the very finest
metal cassette money can buy, and Dolby NR - after you peak-tune your
machine. A cassette machine is, at best, a very highly evolved
dictating machine.

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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 17 22:03:45 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:03:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <000001c0386b$e5ac3be0$d68f883e@a4s1s2>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001016201825.01c63570@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001017154314.01caeeb0@mail.flashcom.net>

Fine, but is it relevant?

If someone has a McIntosh amplifier that needs service and
sees an ad for "The Talking Dog Transducer Company", do you
think Steve's going to get a call?

Do you even think the owner of that amplifier will even
be interested in seeing if the Talking Dog company fixes
Mac amplifiers?

For a theater company or record company a cutesy name
is just fine, but there the product precedes the name.
You see all sorts of goofy production company names at the
beginning of a movie, but you've paid to see it because
you want to see that particular movie, not because a particular
production company made the film. Who cares if, in 1959,
a million selling Pat Boone record was produced by
"Cooga Mooga, Inc., Boone's production company.

Here, the name is what will draw or dissuade a new customer.

If you're in business to draw new customers, at least let them
know what business you are in. A huge company like Verizon
will spend millions announcing their name change so that the
public is aware that they are the former Bell Atlantic.
If you don't have the budget to do this sort of advertising,
you need a name that is simple, serious, and relevant,
particularly when you are reaching out to new customers
who have never heard of you before. It's just common sense.

___________________ Marc Stager

__________________________________

 > "The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
 > maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
 > part of your gig.
 >
Perhaps, but one of the more successful London based theatre companies is
called The Really Useful Company.  Personally, I'm thinking the wheel is
about to change from the short brand names - IBM, Apple, Virgin - and we're
going to start seeing more creative names, like Stephen has suggested,
because it will be these that stand out from the crowd.  So, for what it's
worth, if you can get by the copyright issue, I'd go for it!

Graham
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Tue Oct 17 23:36:08 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:36:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
In-Reply-To: <39EC9CD7.9118C94A@chello.at>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGEEBFCDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

What's the groups take on Harman Kardon's CD-491. Frequency response
20-20+/-3db at 0VU, 20-24Khz+/-3db (-20VU). Custom calibration. Solid built.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Wolfgang Smetanig
Sent: Tue, October 17, 2000 1:39 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???


Hi Naka-friends!

Just want to ask another trivial question:

Which tapedeck is the best for recording, which one the best of playing
back?

I know that there could start an tremendous discussion - but that´s what
I´m intended;-))

I own a quite large deck collection (also some non-Nakas) - and just
want to know which is (in your opinion) the best

Greetings from Austria


Wolfgang



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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Oct 18 00:21:25 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:21:25 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <03cd01c03888$97133520$7393bccf@sank1>

Graham, just for your positive response to the name & also to stop yer
whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would like to give to you(if you
don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your address & it's yours.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>Personally, I like it!  A lot.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> Stephen Sank
>> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>>
>>
>> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response, weighing
>> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of you
>> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
>> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
speaker
>> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
>> service into
>> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
>> statue, in
>> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>> So, what do y'all think?
>>
>>
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Oct 18 00:29:45 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:29:45 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
Message-ID: <03e501c03889$c1393240$7393bccf@sank1>

The HK decks, particularly the CD-491, have radically "tweaked" equalisation
curves, way off of NAB or IEC, to compensate for poor head design.  Also,
the CD-491 & several other HK's I have tested don't even have flat response
in "source monitor", just going through the electronics.  About 2dB down by
15khz.  Pretty abominable.  The other "stay away" factor, at least for my
taste, is that damned granular matte finish on the front panel.  Damn near
impossible to clean!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Which is the best???


>What's the groups take on Harman Kardon's CD-491. Frequency response
>20-20+/-3db at 0VU, 20-24Khz+/-3db (-20VU). Custom calibration. Solid
built.
>
>Stan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>Wolfgang Smetanig
>Sent: Tue, October 17, 2000 1:39 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
>
>
>Hi Naka-friends!
>
>Just want to ask another trivial question:
>
>Which tapedeck is the best for recording, which one the best of playing
>back?
>
>I know that there could start an tremendous discussion - but that´s what
>I´m intended;-))
>
>I own a quite large deck collection (also some non-Nakas) - and just
>want to know which is (in your opinion) the best
>
>Greetings from Austria
>
>
>Wolfgang
>
>
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Oct 18 00:49:26 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:49:26 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <03cd01c03888$97133520$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <001001c0388c$80926ab0$a9496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Stephen,

If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


> Graham, just for your positive response to the name & also to stop yer
> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would like to give to you(if you
> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your address & it's yours.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
> >> Stephen Sank
> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> >>
> >>
> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response,
weighing
> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of
you
> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very
large
> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
> speaker
> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
> >> service into
> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
> >> statue, in
> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> >> So, what do y'all think?
> >>
> >>
> >
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Wed Oct 18 01:07:08 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:07:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FA: Wow and Flutter Meter
Message-ID: <s9ec9567.051@WORF.anderson.edu>

Charles,

Does the meter come with the owners/operators manual?

>>> penry at nortelnetworks.com 10/17/00 02:29PM >>>
If anyone is interested, I have a Leader Wow and Flutter Meter for auction
on ebay at :
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=470183425 if anyone
is interested.

I know it says US and Canada only but I will consider foreign countries, I
just don't know how to handle customs, etc.

I tested my old, worn, un-modified and un-maintained BX-100 (that I just
bought cheaply) with it and it just barely met wow and flutter
specifications!  This would be great for knowing when your Nak needs
attention.




Thanks,

Charles



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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Oct 18 01:23:17 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:23:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <043901c03891$3bd063a0$7393bccf@sank1>

No, John.  First you have to whine about not having one for a year on the
list.  Then, I'll think about it.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>Stephen,
>
>If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
>> Graham, just for your positive response to the name & also to stop yer
>> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would like to give to you(if
you
>> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your address & it's yours.
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>>
>>
>> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
>Of
>> >> Stephen Sank
>> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
>> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response,
>weighing
>> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of
>you
>> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very
>large
>> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
>> speaker
>> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
>> >> service into
>> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
>> >> statue, in
>> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
>> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
>> >> So, what do y'all think?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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From penry at nortelnetworks.com  Wed Oct 18 01:53:12 2000
From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:53:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FA: Wow and Flutter Meter
Message-ID: <E7ADAD260BEED3119E7E0000F810CE17A7EF35@zrchb129.us.nortel.com>

Kent,
I do not have the manuals however they are available from Lorraine Seus at
Seus at LEADERUSA.com  at Leader.  The price from Leader is $10.00 for the
instruction manual and $30.00 for the service manual.  I actually have two
of these meters and I plan on keeping one and will order the instruction
manual for it sometime soon.  I will be glad to make you a copy of the
instruction manual if you wish.  I doubt I will order the service manual - I
will see what the instruction manual looks like first.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.


Charles


 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Kent Merideth [mailto:kmeridet at anderson.edu] 
Sent:	Tuesday, October 17, 2000 4:07 PM
To:	naktalk
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] FA: Wow and Flutter Meter

Charles,

Does the meter come with the owners/operators manual?

>>> penry at nortelnetworks.com 10/17/00 02:29PM >>>
If anyone is interested, I have a Leader Wow and Flutter Meter for auction
on ebay at :
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=470183425 if anyone
is interested.

I know it says US and Canada only but I will consider foreign countries, I
just don't know how to handle customs, etc.

I tested my old, worn, un-modified and un-maintained BX-100 (that I just
bought cheaply) with it and it just barely met wow and flutter
specifications!  This would be great for knowing when your Nak needs
attention.




Thanks,

Charles



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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Oct 18 02:18:34 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:18:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <043901c03891$3bd063a0$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <000f01c03899$047b6000$ae496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Stephen

Going into whining mode.

I should really count my blessings as I picked up an Apt Pre-amp. today.
Have you ever had one of these to examine?

If memory serves I believe that I once talked to with Tom Holman before he
let Advent for bigger things.  This when I lived in Boston in the late 60's.
That whole area was sound oriented.  AR across the Charles River in
Cambridge with an excellent demo / sound store along with Advent and some
truly excellent HiFi stores all selling expensive gear.  Live Quad
broadcasts of the BSO broadcasts from two FM stations.  ReVox and Tandberg
reel machines everywhere probably just before cassettes and luxury Naks.
came along.  I bought new Advent 200 and 201 cassette decks, 3M sourced I
believe but with the new Dolby B wonder drug for cassettes.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


> No, John.  First you have to whine about not having one for a year on the
> list.  Then, I'll think about it.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
> >Stephen,
> >
> >If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> >
> >
> >> Graham, just for your positive response to the name & also to stop yer
> >> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would like to give to you(if
> you
> >> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your address & it's yours.
> >>
> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> >>
> >>
> >> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
Behalf
> >Of
> >> >> Stephen Sank
> >> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response,
> >weighing
> >> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off
of
> >you
> >> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very
> >large
> >> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
> >> speaker
> >> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
> >> >> service into
> >> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> >> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> >> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
> >> >> statue, in
> >> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA
ribbon
> >> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> >> >> So, what do y'all think?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
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From rennwerkes at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 18 04:57:01 2000
From: rennwerkes at hotmail.com (dean seki)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:57:01 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank
Message-ID: <OE6kM0ETsfhtIHj0RB90000b6ee@hotmail.com>

Hi,
Can anyone help me get in touch with Stephen?  I had an old email address and it doesn't work anymore.  Please reply directly to my email address.  Thanks alot!
Dean
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From stephen806 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 05:27:03 2000
From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <20001018032703.24984.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com>

I used to own an Apt Holman preamp & an Apt 1 amp. 
Still hard solid state to beat, especially with Tom
Holman's killer phono stage.
I've never had the "pleasure" of working on an Advent
200, which Mr. Nakamichi Sr. was very adamant about
telling people he "built to their specs!", but I have
worked on the 201, which did appear to be 3M/Wollensak
built, and is still the worst memory I have of working
on a tape deck.  Bloody nightmare.

--- "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net> wrote:
> Stephen
> 
> Going into whining mode.
> 
> I should really count my blessings as I picked up an
> Apt Pre-amp. today.
> Have you ever had one of these to examine?
> 
> If memory serves I believe that I once talked to
> with Tom Holman before he
> let Advent for bigger things.  This when I lived in
> Boston in the late 60's.
> That whole area was sound oriented.  AR across the
> Charles River in
> Cambridge with an excellent demo / sound store along
> with Advent and some
> truly excellent HiFi stores all selling expensive
> gear.  Live Quad
> broadcasts of the BSO broadcasts from two FM
> stations.  ReVox and Tandberg
> reel machines everywhere probably just before
> cassettes and luxury Naks.
> came along.  I bought new Advent 200 and 201
> cassette decks, 3M sourced I
> believe but with the new Dolby B wonder drug for
> cassettes.
> 
> John
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name
> in consideration
> 
> 
> > No, John.  First you have to whine about not
> having one for a year on the
> > list.  Then, I'll think about it.
> >
> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
> stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >
>
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> name in consideration
> >
> >
> > >Stephen,
> > >
> > >If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> name in consideration
> > >
> > >
> > >> Graham, just for your positive response to the
> name & also to stop yer
> > >> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would
> like to give to you(if
> > you
> > >> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your
> address & it's yours.
> > >>
> > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > >> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
> stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > >>
>
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Graham Nelson
> <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
> > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> name in consideration
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
> > >> >
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
> [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
> Behalf
> > >Of
> > >> >> Stephen Sank
> > >> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> > >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> name in consideration
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro
> with mixed response,
> > >weighing
> > >> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought
> I would bounce it off
> of
> > >you
> > >> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name,
> which reflects the very
> > >large
> > >> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic
> restoration, as well as
> > >> speaker
> > >> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work
> Nakamichi & McIntosh
> > >> >> service into
> > >> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> > >> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> > >> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of
> my RCA "Nipper" dog
> > >> >> statue, in
> > >> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression),
> "talking" into an RCA
> ribbon
> > >> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's
> design.
> > >> >> So, what do y'all think?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
>
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Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Oct 18 08:05:18 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:05:18 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 remote on ebay
Message-ID: <048801c038c9$6500b120$7393bccf@sank1>

Who was looking for an RX505 remote the other day?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=471924801

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct 18 10:10:40 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:10:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001016201825.01c63570@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <000401c038da$e7f39460$b571883e@a4s1s2>

Marc

I used to think the same as you on this kind of thing that the name ought to
say what it does.  But I've been amazed at how some of the dot.com companies
get away with totally obscure names and still hit the spot.  For example, we
have two on-line banking services in the UK of this ilk, one called Smile
and the other called Egg.  Now, what the heck have those names got to do
with banking?  Nothing.  The first one might be something to do with
dentists and the other, groceries.  However, I think why they are successful
is that consumers (in the UK at least) have become quite sophisticated and
realise that these obscure names are not literal but metaphorical, that they
are suggestive of something other other that what the name means.  It's a
bit Zen-ish!  When people hear these brands are banks they think ... "Yup, I
know banks and I don't like them, but this one has to be different from the
norm!  I'll give it a look..." The amazing thing abut Egg is that it was
predicted that it would become popular with young people.  In fact, it was
inundated with applications from "the Saga set"!  That's 50's plus.

I think the trick in using an unusual business name is in how you promote it
in the early stages of a business and then, of course, how you maintain the
image you have established.  Stephen might be able to get free hi fi press
coverage initially anyway because of who he is and his pedigree.  And with a
name like his company, when people hear it the first time, if they know of
the Sank pedigree associated with it, it'll stick because it's so unusual.
What I particularly like about the name Stephen likes is that it says "This
company is unusual ..."  And those of us who have met Stephen on line (and
some of you have met him in person) will know he IS unusual, but in the best
possible way because he CARES about the machines he works on and he CARES
about the people who share his passion for them, such that he frequently
freely gives away "intellectual capital" to all and sundry just to help out
a guy who can't afford to ship his beloved machine to the SankShop or
because the blighter wants to fix it himself!  Personally, I think that kind
of behaviour is not only commendable on a human level it also makes good
business sense because it tells us this Stephen Sank guy and his unusually
named business represent a generous spirit (and I'm not saying that just
'cos he's offered me a BX-1, although the fact that he has suggests the
same!)  Ergo, this company isn't going to rip me off and they'll always try
to do their best to do a good job.

For what it's worth, that's my opinion.


Graham


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Marc Stager
> Sent: 17 October 2000 02:33
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
> At 10/16/00, you wrote:
> >...I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
> >shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well
> as speaker
> >building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
> service into
> >it as well, though.  Here it is:
>
> >The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> >My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
> statue, in
> >sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
> >microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> >So, what do y'all think?
>
> .................................
>
> Well, the logic of the original Nipper logo was that his "master's
> voice" was playing on the gramophone and it sounded so real, the dog
> sat there listening intently.
>
> I don't see any reason for the dog in your idea. Besides, dog's
> been done.
>
> How about a cat this time - tearing a ribbon to shreds.
> Caption: "We can fix it!".
>
> Seriously, Steve...
>
> "The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
> maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
> part of your gig.
>
> How about just "Sank Service Lab". Simple and professional.
> You do great work and your good name is your greatest asset.
> No need for gimmicks.
>
> If you do warranty service, that's a valuable endorsement from
> the manufacturers. Seek out new warranty service contracts.
>
> The speaker building part will be the toughest, methinks.
> There are hundreds of small speaker shops all over the country.
> You goal might be to get a pair to an influential reviewer
> and hope you get a sparkling crititique. Then you'll find
> yourself getting more business than you can handle. Otherwise
> that part of the business probably won't be making money anytime
> soon.
>
> As to your service shop:
>
> You probably won't do a lot of walk-in business in Albuquerque
> so mail order customers are important.
>
> You service two different clienteles: recording pros - repairing
> RCA and other ribbon mics, and consumers - with McIntosh, Tandberg,
> Nakamichi and other home type stereo gear.
>
> Keep them separate and target your potential customer bases with
> ads in publication like Mix and Pro Sound News for microphone
> service, and Stereophile and Absolute Sound for the mid to
> high-end consumer trade. But that could get expensive.
>
> Then, of course, there's the Internet.
> One cheap and effective way to promote your business is an
> occasional auction on eBay, with links to your shop. Other
> mailing lists like the Ampex list reach the pros, while a
> couple of entries in the rec.audio newsgroups; marketplace,
> tubes, pro, etc. gets your name around.
>
> And, if you get my three RCA BK5B's sounding really nice and
> you don't charge me for it, I'll mention your name to a couple
> of people.
>
> ________________________ Marc Stager
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct 18 10:10:47 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:10:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
In-Reply-To: <001001c0388c$80926ab0$a9496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <000901c038da$ebfb12e0$b571883e@a4s1s2>

No mate - I tried that!

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> John M. Tooley
> Sent: 17 October 2000 23:49
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
> Stephen,
>
> If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
> > Graham, just for your positive response to the name & also to stop yer
> > whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would like to give to
> you(if you
> > don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your address & it's yours.
> >
> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> >
> >
> > >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
> Of
> > >> Stephen Sank
> > >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> > >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro with mixed response,
> weighing
> > >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought I would bounce it off of
> you
> > >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very
> large
> > >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well as
> > speaker
> > >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
> > >> service into
> > >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> > >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> > >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
> > >> statue, in
> > >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an
> RCA ribbon
> > >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
> > >> So, what do y'all think?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Oct 18 13:58:03 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:58:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank
References: <OE6kM0ETsfhtIHj0RB90000b6ee@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <005601c038fa$aba942f0$9c496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

stephen_sank at rjknet.net 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dean seki 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:57 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank


  Hi,
  Can anyone help me get in touch with Stephen?  I had an old email address and it doesn't work anymore.  Please reply directly to my email address.  Thanks alot!
  Dean
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Oct 18 14:36:59 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:36:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <20001018032703.24984.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com>
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I remember hearing that the heads were glued in place, is this correct?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen806 at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


> I used to own an Apt Holman preamp & an Apt 1 amp.
> Still hard solid state to beat, especially with Tom
> Holman's killer phono stage.
> I've never had the "pleasure" of working on an Advent
> 200, which Mr. Nakamichi Sr. was very adamant about
> telling people he "built to their specs!", but I have
> worked on the 201, which did appear to be 3M/Wollensak
> built, and is still the worst memory I have of working
> on a tape deck.  Bloody nightmare.
>
> --- "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net> wrote:
> > Stephen
> >
> > Going into whining mode.
> >
> > I should really count my blessings as I picked up an
> > Apt Pre-amp. today.
> > Have you ever had one of these to examine?
> >
> > If memory serves I believe that I once talked to
> > with Tom Holman before he
> > let Advent for bigger things.  This when I lived in
> > Boston in the late 60's.
> > That whole area was sound oriented.  AR across the
> > Charles River in
> > Cambridge with an excellent demo / sound store along
> > with Advent and some
> > truly excellent HiFi stores all selling expensive
> > gear.  Live Quad
> > broadcasts of the BSO broadcasts from two FM
> > stations.  ReVox and Tandberg
> > reel machines everywhere probably just before
> > cassettes and luxury Naks.
> > came along.  I bought new Advent 200 and 201
> > cassette decks, 3M sourced I
> > believe but with the new Dolby B wonder drug for
> > cassettes.
> >
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name
> > in consideration
> >
> >
> > > No, John.  First you have to whine about not
> > having one for a year on the
> > > list.  Then, I'll think about it.
> > >
> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > >
> >
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> > name in consideration
> > >
> > >
> > > >Stephen,
> > > >
> > > >If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> > name in consideration
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Graham, just for your positive response to the
> > name & also to stop yer
> > > >> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would
> > like to give to you(if
> > > you
> > > >> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your
> > address & it's yours.
> > > >>
> > > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > > >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > > >> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > > >>
> >
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Graham Nelson
> > <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
> > > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> > name in consideration
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
> > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
> > Behalf
> > > >Of
> > > >> >> Stephen Sank
> > > >> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> > > >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> > name in consideration
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro
> > with mixed response,
> > > >weighing
> > > >> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought
> > I would bounce it off
> > of
> > > >you
> > > >> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name,
> > which reflects the very
> > > >large
> > > >> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic
> > restoration, as well as
> > > >> speaker
> > > >> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work
> > Nakamichi & McIntosh
> > > >> >> service into
> > > >> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> > > >> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> > > >> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of
> > my RCA "Nipper" dog
> > > >> >> statue, in
> > > >> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression),
> > "talking" into an RCA
> > ribbon
> > > >> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's
> > design.
> > > >> >> So, what do y'all think?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Oct 18 14:48:29 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:48:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <000401c038da$e7f39460$b571883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <008201c03901$b7f8f2b0$9c496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Well put, my feelings exactly.  Is the Nak. on its way?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Graham Nelson 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 4:10 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


  Marc

  I used to think the same as you on this kind of thing that the name ought to say what it does.  But I've been amazed at how some of the dot.com companies get away with totally obscure names and still hit the spot.  For example, we have two on-line banking services in the UK of this ilk, one called Smile and the other called Egg.  Now, what the heck have those names got to do with banking?  Nothing.  The first one might be something to do with dentists and the other, groceries.  However, I think why they are successful is that consumers (in the UK at least) have become quite sophisticated and realise that these obscure names are not literal but metaphorical, that they are suggestive of something other other that what the name means.  It's a bit Zen-ish!  When people hear these brands are banks they think ... "Yup, I know banks and I don't like them, but this one has to be different from the norm!  I'll give it a look..." The amazing thing abut Egg is that it was predicted that it would become popular with young people.  In fact, it was inundated with applications from "the Saga set"!  That's 50's plus.  

  I think the trick in using an unusual business name is in how you promote it in the early stages of a business and then, of course, how you maintain the image you have established.  Stephen might be able to get free hi fi press coverage initially anyway because of who he is and his pedigree.  And with a name like his company, when people hear it the first time, if they know of the Sank pedigree associated with it, it'll stick because it's so unusual.  What I particularly like about the name Stephen likes is that it says "This company is unusual ..."  And those of us who have met Stephen on line (and some of you have met him in person) will know he IS unusual, but in the best possible way because he CARES about the machines he works on and he CARES about the people who share his passion for them, such that he frequently freely gives away "intellectual capital" to all and sundry just to help out a guy who can't afford to ship his beloved machine to the SankShop or because the blighter wants to fix it himself!  Personally, I think that kind of behaviour is not only commendable on a human level it also makes good business sense because it tells us this Stephen Sank guy and his unusually named business represent a generous spirit (and I'm not saying that just 'cos he's offered me a BX-1, although the fact that he has suggests the same!)  Ergo, this company isn't going to rip me off and they'll always try to do their best to do a good job.

  For what it's worth, that's my opinion.


  Graham


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
  > Marc Stager
  > Sent: 17 October 2000 02:33
  > To: naktalk at naks.com
  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
  >
  >
  > At 10/16/00, you wrote:
  > >...I have come up with a new name, which reflects the very large
  > >shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic restoration, as well
  > as speaker
  > >building.  Haven't figured out how to work Nakamichi & McIntosh
  > service into
  > >it as well, though.  Here it is:
  >
  > >The Talking Dog Transducer Company
  > >My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of my RCA "Nipper" dog
  > statue, in
  > >sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression), "talking" into an RCA ribbon
  > >microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's design.
  > >So, what do y'all think?
  >
  > .................................
  >
  > Well, the logic of the original Nipper logo was that his "master's
  > voice" was playing on the gramophone and it sounded so real, the dog
  > sat there listening intently.
  >
  > I don't see any reason for the dog in your idea. Besides, dog's
  > been done.
  >
  > How about a cat this time - tearing a ribbon to shreds.
  > Caption: "We can fix it!".
  >
  > Seriously, Steve...
  >
  > "The Talking Dog Transducer Company" is too verbose and vague, and
  > maybe a bit too frivolous - and doesn't address the hi-fi service
  > part of your gig.
  >
  > How about just "Sank Service Lab". Simple and professional.
  > You do great work and your good name is your greatest asset.
  > No need for gimmicks.
  >
  > If you do warranty service, that's a valuable endorsement from
  > the manufacturers. Seek out new warranty service contracts.
  >
  > The speaker building part will be the toughest, methinks.
  > There are hundreds of small speaker shops all over the country.
  > You goal might be to get a pair to an influential reviewer
  > and hope you get a sparkling crititique. Then you'll find
  > yourself getting more business than you can handle. Otherwise
  > that part of the business probably won't be making money anytime
  > soon.
  >
  > As to your service shop:
  >
  > You probably won't do a lot of walk-in business in Albuquerque
  > so mail order customers are important.
  >
  > You service two different clienteles: recording pros - repairing
  > RCA and other ribbon mics, and consumers - with McIntosh, Tandberg,
  > Nakamichi and other home type stereo gear.
  >
  > Keep them separate and target your potential customer bases with
  > ads in publication like Mix and Pro Sound News for microphone
  > service, and Stereophile and Absolute Sound for the mid to
  > high-end consumer trade. But that could get expensive.
  >
  > Then, of course, there's the Internet.
  > One cheap and effective way to promote your business is an
  > occasional auction on eBay, with links to your shop. Other
  > mailing lists like the Ampex list reach the pros, while a
  > couple of entries in the rec.audio newsgroups; marketplace,
  > tubes, pro, etc. gets your name around.
  >
  > And, if you get my three RCA BK5B's sounding really nice and
  > you don't charge me for it, I'll mention your name to a couple
  > of people.
  >
  > ________________________ Marc Stager
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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Oct 18 15:12:34 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:12:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank
References: <OE6kM0ETsfhtIHj0RB90000b6ee@hotmail.com> <005601c038fa$aba942f0$9c496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>
Message-ID: <39EDA1C2.5C679CBC@concentric.net>

Dean,

you'll probably have better luck if you email to:

      Stephen Sank <stephen806 at yahoo.com>

-- Ron



> stephen_sank at rjknet.net 
>
>> Hi,
>> Can anyone help me get in touch with Stephen?  I had
>> an old email address and it doesn't work anymore.
>> Please reply directly to my email address.  Thanks
>> alot!

>>     Dean
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Oct 18 19:02:45 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:02:45 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <04b601c03925$3d4e78e0$7393bccf@sank1>

Been too long since I've worked on an Advent 201 to remember the head
mounting, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were glued.  The way the rest
of the unit was built, it would be more likely the head was held in by 14
different brackets that were irreversibly interlocked.  Someday, I would
like to acquire one, just so I can take a shotgun, axe, sledgehammer & flame
thrower to it, all in sequence.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>I remember hearing that the heads were glued in place, is this correct?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen806 at yahoo.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
>
>> I used to own an Apt Holman preamp & an Apt 1 amp.
>> Still hard solid state to beat, especially with Tom
>> Holman's killer phono stage.
>> I've never had the "pleasure" of working on an Advent
>> 200, which Mr. Nakamichi Sr. was very adamant about
>> telling people he "built to their specs!", but I have
>> worked on the 201, which did appear to be 3M/Wollensak
>> built, and is still the worst memory I have of working
>> on a tape deck.  Bloody nightmare.
>>
>> --- "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net> wrote:
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> > Going into whining mode.
>> >
>> > I should really count my blessings as I picked up an
>> > Apt Pre-amp. today.
>> > Have you ever had one of these to examine?
>> >
>> > If memory serves I believe that I once talked to
>> > with Tom Holman before he
>> > let Advent for bigger things.  This when I lived in
>> > Boston in the late 60's.
>> > That whole area was sound oriented.  AR across the
>> > Charles River in
>> > Cambridge with an excellent demo / sound store along
>> > with Advent and some
>> > truly excellent HiFi stores all selling expensive
>> > gear.  Live Quad
>> > broadcasts of the BSO broadcasts from two FM
>> > stations.  ReVox and Tandberg
>> > reel machines everywhere probably just before
>> > cassettes and luxury Naks.
>> > came along.  I bought new Advent 200 and 201
>> > cassette decks, 3M sourced I
>> > believe but with the new Dolby B wonder drug for
>> > cassettes.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:23 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name
>> > in consideration
>> >
>> >
>> > > No, John.  First you have to whine about not
>> > having one for a year on the
>> > > list.  Then, I'll think about it.
>> > >
>> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
>> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> > >
>> >
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
>> > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > > Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:13 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
>> > name in consideration
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >Stephen,
>> > > >
>> > > >If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
>> > > >
>> > > >----- Original Message -----
>> > > >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
>> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
>> > name in consideration
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> Graham, just for your positive response to the
>> > name & also to stop yer
>> > > >> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would
>> > like to give to you(if
>> > > you
>> > > >> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your
>> > address & it's yours.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> > > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> > > >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> > > >> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> > > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> > > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
>> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> > > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> > > >>
>> >
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> > > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> From: Graham Nelson
>> > <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>> > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > > >> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
>> > > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
>> > name in consideration
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
>> > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
>> > Behalf
>> > > >Of
>> > > >> >> Stephen Sank
>> > > >> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
>> > > >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> > > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
>> > name in consideration
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro
>> > with mixed response,
>> > > >weighing
>> > > >> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought
>> > I would bounce it off
>> > of
>> > > >you
>> > > >> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name,
>> > which reflects the very
>> > > >large
>> > > >> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic
>> > restoration, as well as
>> > > >> speaker
>> > > >> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work
>> > Nakamichi & McIntosh
>> > > >> >> service into
>> > > >> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> > > >> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> > > >> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of
>> > my RCA "Nipper" dog
>> > > >> >> statue, in
>> > > >> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression),
>> > "talking" into an RCA
>> > ribbon
>> > > >> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's
>> > design.
>> > > >> >> So, what do y'all think?
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>>
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>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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>> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Oct 19 02:25:39 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:25:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <04b601c03925$3d4e78e0$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39EE3F82.92376689@snet.net>

Shall I send my 201 to you with the next repair item? Actually, I think I'll take the
shotgun et all to it myself! It's not that bad a deck to work on if you first do a few
of those interlocking pipe puzzles (you know the one's where you're supposed to figure
out how to separate the interlocked wrought iron triangles)... That get's me in the
right frame of mind!

Ed

Stephen Sank wrote:

> Been too long since I've worked on an Advent 201 to remember the head
> mounting, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were glued.  The way the rest
> of the unit was built, it would be more likely the head was held in by 14
> different brackets that were irreversibly interlocked.  Someday, I would
> like to acquire one, just so I can take a shotgun, axe, sledgehammer & flame
> thrower to it, all in sequence.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
> >I remember hearing that the heads were glued in place, is this correct?
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen806 at yahoo.com>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:27 PM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> >
> >
> >> I used to own an Apt Holman preamp & an Apt 1 amp.
> >> Still hard solid state to beat, especially with Tom
> >> Holman's killer phono stage.
> >> I've never had the "pleasure" of working on an Advent
> >> 200, which Mr. Nakamichi Sr. was very adamant about
> >> telling people he "built to their specs!", but I have
> >> worked on the 201, which did appear to be 3M/Wollensak
> >> built, and is still the worst memory I have of working
> >> on a tape deck.  Bloody nightmare.
> >>
> >> --- "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net> wrote:
> >> > Stephen
> >> >
> >> > Going into whining mode.
> >> >
> >> > I should really count my blessings as I picked up an
> >> > Apt Pre-amp. today.
> >> > Have you ever had one of these to examine?
> >> >
> >> > If memory serves I believe that I once talked to
> >> > with Tom Holman before he
> >> > let Advent for bigger things.  This when I lived in
> >> > Boston in the late 60's.
> >> > That whole area was sound oriented.  AR across the
> >> > Charles River in
> >> > Cambridge with an excellent demo / sound store along
> >> > with Advent and some
> >> > truly excellent HiFi stores all selling expensive
> >> > gear.  Live Quad
> >> > broadcasts of the BSO broadcasts from two FM
> >> > stations.  ReVox and Tandberg
> >> > reel machines everywhere probably just before
> >> > cassettes and luxury Naks.
> >> > came along.  I bought new Advent 200 and 201
> >> > cassette decks, 3M sourced I
> >> > believe but with the new Dolby B wonder drug for
> >> > cassettes.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> >> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:23 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name
> >> > in consideration
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > No, John.  First you have to whine about not
> >> > having one for a year on the
> >> > > list.  Then, I'll think about it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
> >> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
> >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> >> > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > > Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> >> > name in consideration
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >Stephen,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
> >> > > >
> >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> >> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
> >> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> >> > name in consideration
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Graham, just for your positive response to the
> >> > name & also to stop yer
> >> > > >> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would
> >> > like to give to you(if
> >> > > you
> >> > > >> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your
> >> > address & it's yours.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >> > > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> > > >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> > > >> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >> > > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >> > > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
> >> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
> >> > > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >> > > >>
> >> >
> >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> >> > > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> From: Graham Nelson
> >> > <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >> > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > > >> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
> >> > > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> >> > name in consideration
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
> >> > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
> >> > Behalf
> >> > > >Of
> >> > > >> >> Stephen Sank
> >> > > >> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> >> > > >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> >> > > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> >> > name in consideration
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro
> >> > with mixed response,
> >> > > >weighing
> >> > > >> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought
> >> > I would bounce it off
> >> > of
> >> > > >you
> >> > > >> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name,
> >> > which reflects the very
> >> > > >large
> >> > > >> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic
> >> > restoration, as well as
> >> > > >> speaker
> >> > > >> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work
> >> > Nakamichi & McIntosh
> >> > > >> >> service into
> >> > > >> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> >> > > >> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> >> > > >> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of
> >> > my RCA "Nipper" dog
> >> > > >> >> statue, in
> >> > > >> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression),
> >> > "talking" into an RCA
> >> > ribbon
> >> > > >> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's
> >> > design.
> >> > > >> >> So, what do y'all think?
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >
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> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
> >> 505-332-0336 phone
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Oct 19 05:21:32 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:21:32 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
Message-ID: <057f01c0397b$aef31220$7393bccf@sank1>

If you send me a 201 & expect me to fix, I'll never do anything for you ever
again!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration


>Shall I send my 201 to you with the next repair item? Actually, I think
I'll take the
>shotgun et all to it myself! It's not that bad a deck to work on if you
first do a few
>of those interlocking pipe puzzles (you know the one's where you're
supposed to figure
>out how to separate the interlocked wrought iron triangles)... That get's
me in the
>right frame of mind!
>
>Ed
>
>Stephen Sank wrote:
>
>> Been too long since I've worked on an Advent 201 to remember the head
>> mounting, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were glued.  The way the
rest
>> of the unit was built, it would be more likely the head was held in by 14
>> different brackets that were irreversibly interlocked.  Someday, I would
>> like to acquire one, just so I can take a shotgun, axe, sledgehammer &
flame
>> thrower to it, all in sequence.
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>>
>> >I remember hearing that the heads were glued in place, is this correct?
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen806 at yahoo.com>
>> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:27 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>> >
>> >
>> >> I used to own an Apt Holman preamp & an Apt 1 amp.
>> >> Still hard solid state to beat, especially with Tom
>> >> Holman's killer phono stage.
>> >> I've never had the "pleasure" of working on an Advent
>> >> 200, which Mr. Nakamichi Sr. was very adamant about
>> >> telling people he "built to their specs!", but I have
>> >> worked on the 201, which did appear to be 3M/Wollensak
>> >> built, and is still the worst memory I have of working
>> >> on a tape deck.  Bloody nightmare.
>> >>
>> >> --- "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net> wrote:
>> >> > Stephen
>> >> >
>> >> > Going into whining mode.
>> >> >
>> >> > I should really count my blessings as I picked up an
>> >> > Apt Pre-amp. today.
>> >> > Have you ever had one of these to examine?
>> >> >
>> >> > If memory serves I believe that I once talked to
>> >> > with Tom Holman before he
>> >> > let Advent for bigger things.  This when I lived in
>> >> > Boston in the late 60's.
>> >> > That whole area was sound oriented.  AR across the
>> >> > Charles River in
>> >> > Cambridge with an excellent demo / sound store along
>> >> > with Advent and some
>> >> > truly excellent HiFi stores all selling expensive
>> >> > gear.  Live Quad
>> >> > broadcasts of the BSO broadcasts from two FM
>> >> > stations.  ReVox and Tandberg
>> >> > reel machines everywhere probably just before
>> >> > cassettes and luxury Naks.
>> >> > came along.  I bought new Advent 200 and 201
>> >> > cassette decks, 3M sourced I
>> >> > believe but with the new Dolby B wonder drug for
>> >> > cassettes.
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>> >> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:23 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name
>> >> > in consideration
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > No, John.  First you have to whine about not
>> >> > having one for a year on the
>> >> > > list.  Then, I'll think about it.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> >> > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> >> > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
>> >> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
>> >> > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> > > Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:13 PM
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
>> >> > name in consideration
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >Stephen,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>> >> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
>> >> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
>> >> > name in consideration
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> Graham, just for your positive response to the
>> >> > name & also to stop yer
>> >> > > >> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would
>> >> > like to give to you(if
>> >> > > you
>> >> > > >> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your
>> >> > address & it's yours.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> >> > > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> >> > > >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> >> > > >> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> >> > > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> >> > > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
>> >> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> >> > > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> >
>> >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> >> > > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> >> > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > >> From: Graham Nelson
>> >> > <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
>> >> > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> > > >> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
>> >> > > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
>> >> > name in consideration
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > >> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
>> >> > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
>> >> > Behalf
>> >> > > >Of
>> >> > > >> >> Stephen Sank
>> >> > > >> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
>> >> > > >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> >> > > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
>> >> > name in consideration
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro
>> >> > with mixed response,
>> >> > > >weighing
>> >> > > >> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought
>> >> > I would bounce it off
>> >> > of
>> >> > > >you
>> >> > > >> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name,
>> >> > which reflects the very
>> >> > > >large
>> >> > > >> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic
>> >> > restoration, as well as
>> >> > > >> speaker
>> >> > > >> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work
>> >> > Nakamichi & McIntosh
>> >> > > >> >> service into
>> >> > > >> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
>> >> > > >> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
>> >> > > >> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of
>> >> > my RCA "Nipper" dog
>> >> > > >> >> statue, in
>> >> > > >> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression),
>> >> > "talking" into an RCA
>> >> > ribbon
>> >> > > >> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's
>> >> > design.
>> >> > > >> >> So, what do y'all think?
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
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>> >> =====
>> >> Stephen Sank, Owner (last resort alternate email address)
>> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
>> >> 505-332-0336 phone
>> >>
>> >> __________________________________________________
>> >> Do You Yahoo!?
>> >> Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf!  It's FREE.
>> >> http://im.yahoo.com/
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Oct 19 05:28:45 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:28:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
References: <057f01c0397b$aef31220$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39EE6A6A.F2657E39@snet.net>

No Stephen... I thought I'd let you live out your dream of smashing it into little
pieces ;-)

Ed

Stephen Sank wrote:

> If you send me a 201 & expect me to fix, I'll never do anything for you ever
> again!
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
>
> >Shall I send my 201 to you with the next repair item? Actually, I think
> I'll take the
> >shotgun et all to it myself! It's not that bad a deck to work on if you
> first do a few
> >of those interlocking pipe puzzles (you know the one's where you're
> supposed to figure
> >out how to separate the interlocked wrought iron triangles)... That get's
> me in the
> >right frame of mind!
> >
> >Ed
> >
> >Stephen Sank wrote:
> >
> >> Been too long since I've worked on an Advent 201 to remember the head
> >> mounting, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were glued.  The way the
> rest
> >> of the unit was built, it would be more likely the head was held in by 14
> >> different brackets that were irreversibly interlocked.  Someday, I would
> >> like to acquire one, just so I can take a shotgun, axe, sledgehammer &
> flame
> >> thrower to it, all in sequence.
> >>
> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 7:02 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> >>
> >> >I remember hearing that the heads were glued in place, is this correct?
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen806 at yahoo.com>
> >> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:27 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name in consideration
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> I used to own an Apt Holman preamp & an Apt 1 amp.
> >> >> Still hard solid state to beat, especially with Tom
> >> >> Holman's killer phono stage.
> >> >> I've never had the "pleasure" of working on an Advent
> >> >> 200, which Mr. Nakamichi Sr. was very adamant about
> >> >> telling people he "built to their specs!", but I have
> >> >> worked on the 201, which did appear to be 3M/Wollensak
> >> >> built, and is still the worst memory I have of working
> >> >> on a tape deck.  Bloody nightmare.
> >> >>
> >> >> --- "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net> wrote:
> >> >> > Stephen
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Going into whining mode.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I should really count my blessings as I picked up an
> >> >> > Apt Pre-amp. today.
> >> >> > Have you ever had one of these to examine?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If memory serves I believe that I once talked to
> >> >> > with Tom Holman before he
> >> >> > let Advent for bigger things.  This when I lived in
> >> >> > Boston in the late 60's.
> >> >> > That whole area was sound oriented.  AR across the
> >> >> > Charles River in
> >> >> > Cambridge with an excellent demo / sound store along
> >> >> > with Advent and some
> >> >> > truly excellent HiFi stores all selling expensive
> >> >> > gear.  Live Quad
> >> >> > broadcasts of the BSO broadcasts from two FM
> >> >> > stations.  ReVox and Tandberg
> >> >> > reel machines everywhere probably just before
> >> >> > cassettes and luxury Naks.
> >> >> > came along.  I bought new Advent 200 and 201
> >> >> > cassette decks, 3M sourced I
> >> >> > believe but with the new Dolby B wonder drug for
> >> >> > cassettes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > John
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> >> >> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:23 PM
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new name
> >> >> > in consideration
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > No, John.  First you have to whine about not
> >> >> > having one for a year on the
> >> >> > > list.  Then, I'll think about it.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >> >> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> >> > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> >> > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >> >> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >> >> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
> >> >> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
> >> >> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> >> >> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> >> >> > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> >> > > Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:13 PM
> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> >> >> > name in consideration
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >Stephen,
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >If I beg will you send me a Nak. Dragon? :-)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > >From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> >> >> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> >> > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:21 PM
> >> >> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> >> >> > name in consideration
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> Graham, just for your positive response to the
> >> >> > name & also to stop yer
> >> >> > > >> whining(!), I have a pretty decent BX-1 I would
> >> >> > like to give to you(if
> >> >> > > you
> >> >> > > >> don't mind it being 120v).  Send me your
> >> >> > address & it's yours.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >> >> > > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> >> > > >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> >> > > >> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >> >> > > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >> >> > > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email:
> >> >> > stephen806 at yahoo.com
> >> >> > > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> >> >> > > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> >> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > >> From: Graham Nelson
> >> >> > <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> >> >> > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> >> > > >> Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:07 PM
> >> >> > > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> >> >> > name in consideration
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> >Personally, I like it!  A lot.
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > >> >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
> >> >> > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
> >> >> > Behalf
> >> >> > > >Of
> >> >> > > >> >> Stephen Sank
> >> >> > > >> >> Sent: 16 October 2000 10:10
> >> >> > > >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com
> >> >> > > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Opinions, please, on new
> >> >> > name in consideration
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >> I've posted this question on rec.audio.pro
> >> >> > with mixed response,
> >> >> > > >weighing
> >> >> > > >> >> more toward positive than negative.  Thought
> >> >> > I would bounce it off
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > > >you
> >> >> > > >> >> guys, too.  I have come up with a new name,
> >> >> > which reflects the very
> >> >> > > >large
> >> >> > > >> >> shift in my business toward RCA ribbon mic
> >> >> > restoration, as well as
> >> >> > > >> speaker
> >> >> > > >> >> building.  Haven't figured out how to work
> >> >> > Nakamichi & McIntosh
> >> >> > > >> >> service into
> >> >> > > >> >> it as well, though.  Here it is:
> >> >> > > >> >> The Talking Dog Transducer Company
> >> >> > > >> >> My "logo" on the web page will be a photo of
> >> >> > my RCA "Nipper" dog
> >> >> > > >> >> statue, in
> >> >> > > >> >> sunglasses & hat (for lawyer supression),
> >> >> > "talking" into an RCA
> >> >> > ribbon
> >> >> > > >> >> microphone, specifically the BK-11, my dad's
> >> >> > design.
> >> >> > > >> >> So, what do y'all think?
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >>
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> >> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Thu Oct 19 06:59:19 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:59:19 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
Message-ID: <dd.b059c1e.271fd9a7@aol.com>

HI All!

There is a nice looking ZX-9 for sale on eBay if anyone is interested.

-Sam

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=467120508
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Thu Oct 19 07:02:42 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:02:42 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] used Naks for sale
Message-ID: <aa.bfb474c.271fda72@aol.com>

Hi!

There is a 1000ZXL for sale on eBay if anyone is interested.

-Sam

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=469982811
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From marc at stager.com  Thu Oct 19 07:51:06 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:51:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
In-Reply-To: <dd.b059c1e.271fd9a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001019014804.01ca0c70@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/19/00, you wrote:
>HI All!
>
>There is a nice looking ZX-9 for sale on eBay if anyone is interested.
>-Sam
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=467120508


===========

Hey, now that's a class act!

When you get it you'll even find a little mint in the box!

That's a sweet gesture, and in keeping with a fine, classy piece of
equipment.

___________________________ Marc Stager






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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Oct 19 09:57:21 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:57:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Site down
Message-ID: <39EEA961.CDB7BAAF@xs4all.nl>

Hey All,

The site (and also naktalk) can be down from  somewhere today until the
beginning of next week.
I try to keep it down as short as possible, so maybe nobody will notice
but this all depends on the people in this new building we're moving to
who are installing the network....

One advantage, better network connectivity in the new building!

Wouter

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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Thu Oct 19 10:57:02 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:57:02 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Parts
Message-ID: <5f.bef0a02.2720115e@aol.com>

Hi gang.

I have just come across a number of RX-202 decks that I intend to part out. 
The internals of these decks are in A-1 condition, so if any of you need 
parts, feel free to email me a list. I'm sure that I can accomodate you for 
very modest fees.

Best Regards,

Robert
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From eslabs at snet.net  Thu Oct 19 14:29:53 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:29:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Site down
References: <39EEA961.CDB7BAAF@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <004301c039c8$49a27580$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Wouter,

Good luck & thanks for all the hard work keeping it up!

Regards,
Jeffrey Galin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: "naktalk" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:57 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Site down


Hey All,

The site (and also naktalk) can be down from  somewhere today until the
beginning of next week.
I try to keep it down as short as possible, so maybe nobody will notice
but this all depends on the people in this new building we're moving to
who are installing the network....

One advantage, better network connectivity in the new building!

Wouter

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Oct 19 18:59:01 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:59:01 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Site down
In-Reply-To: <004301c039c8$49a27580$6401a8c0@eslabs2>
Message-ID: <002a01c039ed$e1d774c0$d720883e@a4s1s2>

I second that.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Jeffrey Galin
> Sent: 19 October 2000 13:30
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Site down
> 
> 
> Wouter,
> 
> Good luck & thanks for all the hard work keeping it up!
> 
> Regards,
> Jeffrey Galin
> 
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Fri Oct 20 04:26:49 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:26:49 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Old Maxell Classics....
Message-ID: <IGMGGEPPJHJOKAAA@angelfire.com>

A question for the Tape Man......

I've got a stack of classic Maxell UDXLII cassettes, that still playback quite well.  I'm thinking of re-recording some other music on these cassettes.  Generally, what is the condition of the magnetic tape, after all these years?  Any best way to reoptimize these for current day use??  I approximate that these were first used in 1978 or 79.  Amazing that these Maxells still have some hutzpah, and they're certainly built solidly to last!  

Carlos (Mr Tape Man), where are you???

Blues

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct 20 06:54:58 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:54:58 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Old Maxell Classics....
Message-ID: <007501c03a51$e6527720$7293bccf@sank1>

I have some very old UD-XLII tapes myself, that I would have no hesitation
using for new recordings.  Haven't seen a bit of particle shedding or
binding whatsoever, ever.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: Carlos <copytec at coqui.net>
Cc: Mr Blues <blueswapper at angelfire.com>; naktalk at naks.com
<naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:57 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Old Maxell Classics....


>A question for the Tape Man......
>
>I've got a stack of classic Maxell UDXLII cassettes, that still playback
quite well.  I'm thinking of re-recording some other music on these
cassettes.  Generally, what is the condition of the magnetic tape, after all
these years?  Any best way to reoptimize these for current day use??  I
approximate that these were first used in 1978 or 79.  Amazing that these
Maxells still have some hutzpah, and they're certainly built solidly to
last!
>
>Carlos (Mr Tape Man), where are you???
>
>Blues
>
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>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
>
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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Oct 20 08:16:48 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:16:48 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1
Message-ID: <39EFE350.760394FA@sunint.co.za>

Hi all,

I am on the brink of buying a second hand Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1,
probably circa 1991, from an elderly lady in Cape Town.  It was her
husbands unit - he passed and she has no further use for all the high
end gear he had.  The price is R2200.00 which equates to US Dollars
300.00 going by the exchange rates, and more like 500.00 based on
domestic buying power.  Apparently it has been well cared for, worked
fine when he last used it and has no scratches or dings. I realize it
isn't a classic fom the early to mid-eighties.  Stephen, you mentioned
that mechanically it was suspect due to the constantly running motor.
You also rated it low or even lowest (could that be?) on the Nakmichi
foodchain.  Is that from a sound point of view, or a combination of
things including rather iffy looks.  Is it better, worse or much the
same as the DR series.  The owner says it does not work presently due to
a 'belt' that needs replacing.  According to the specs on Wouters site,
it is gear driven.  So, apparently 'the belt ' is on order......and it's
with some technician who for all I know doesn't know a Nakamichi from a
blow-dryer.

I'm betting on a Nakamichi-trained Taiwanese chap in Jo'Burg who comes
well recommended from other sources but obviously, I don't want some
other fellow to muck it up out of sheer ignorance.

So, anyone, please....how does the Cassette Deck 1 sound compared with
other Naks and is the motor - or any other aspects that make it less
sought after- a serious concern??  Is it fully servicable for many years
to come?

P.S.  Stephen...do you still have that 'nice LX5' looking for a good
home?

Thanks,

MARC

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct 20 08:58:19 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:58:19 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1
Message-ID: <000601c03a63$21e36d60$7393bccf@sank1>

Really, the only complaint I have with the Cas.Deck1 is the attempt by Nak
that year of getting away with a cheap Matsushita motor for capstan drive,
in place of the nicer, more expensive Sankyo motor of the BX/CR decks.  Most
failed well within warranty period, partly due to the bizarre decision to
have them running full time, which was not a problem with the previous
motor.  Every single Cass.Deck series unit I got in for service in warranty
got a Sankyo motor, long before Nak gave it up & made it the prescribed
procedure.
The good news is that you can still order a BX100/CR-1/DR-1 motor from Nak,
or scavenge one from a BX-1, BX-2, etc., as the cap shaft bearings wear out,
but the cap motors don't.
Yes, I still have the *sweet!* LX-5 available.  But the silver & black front
panel makes it mixed race.  Is that legal now in S.A.?

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Hugo <mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:42 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1


>Hi all,
>
>I am on the brink of buying a second hand Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1,
>probably circa 1991, from an elderly lady in Cape Town.  It was her
>husbands unit - he passed and she has no further use for all the high
>end gear he had.  The price is R2200.00 which equates to US Dollars
>300.00 going by the exchange rates, and more like 500.00 based on
>domestic buying power.  Apparently it has been well cared for, worked
>fine when he last used it and has no scratches or dings. I realize it
>isn't a classic fom the early to mid-eighties.  Stephen, you mentioned
>that mechanically it was suspect due to the constantly running motor.
>You also rated it low or even lowest (could that be?) on the Nakmichi
>foodchain.  Is that from a sound point of view, or a combination of
>things including rather iffy looks.  Is it better, worse or much the
>same as the DR series.  The owner says it does not work presently due to
>a 'belt' that needs replacing.  According to the specs on Wouters site,
>it is gear driven.  So, apparently 'the belt ' is on order......and it's
>with some technician who for all I know doesn't know a Nakamichi from a
>blow-dryer.
>
>I'm betting on a Nakamichi-trained Taiwanese chap in Jo'Burg who comes
>well recommended from other sources but obviously, I don't want some
>other fellow to muck it up out of sheer ignorance.
>
>So, anyone, please....how does the Cassette Deck 1 sound compared with
>other Naks and is the motor - or any other aspects that make it less
>sought after- a serious concern??  Is it fully servicable for many years
>to come?
>
>P.S.  Stephen...do you still have that 'nice LX5' looking for a good
>home?
>
>Thanks,
>
>MARC
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 20 09:49:19 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:49:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1
References: <39EFE350.760394FA@sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <004901c03a6a$424c1280$0100007f@localhost>


Hi Marc,

>So, anyone, please....how does the Cassette Deck 1 sound compared with
> other Naks and is the motor - or any other aspects that make it less
> sought after- a serious concern??  Is it fully servicable for many years
> to come?
 
> P.S.  Stephen...do you still have that 'nice LX5' looking for a good
> home?

For sure LX-5 much better unit than Cassete Deck 1. 

Misha
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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Fri Oct 20 11:41:14 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:41:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1
References: <000601c03a63$21e36d60$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39F0133A.D298DAFA@sunint.co.za>

Thanks Stephen - instant response much appreciated!
I'll call you on your business line re the LX5.  In terms of new legislation an LX
machine would have to exercise it's democratic rights as to whether it wants to
integrate into my newer pure black set-up, or my classic eighties silver system!!!!


Cheers, Marc

Stephen Sank wrote:

> Really, the only complaint I have with the Cas.Deck1 is the attempt by Nak
> that year of getting away with a cheap Matsushita motor for capstan drive,
> in place of the nicer, more expensive Sankyo motor of the BX/CR decks.  Most
> failed well within warranty period, partly due to the bizarre decision to
> have them running full time, which was not a problem with the previous
> motor.  Every single Cass.Deck series unit I got in for service in warranty
> got a Sankyo motor, long before Nak gave it up & made it the prescribed
> procedure.
> The good news is that you can still order a BX100/CR-1/DR-1 motor from Nak,
> or scavenge one from a BX-1, BX-2, etc., as the cap shaft bearings wear out,
> but the cap motors don't.
> Yes, I still have the *sweet!* LX-5 available.  But the silver & black front
> panel makes it mixed race.  Is that legal now in S.A.?
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Hugo <mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:42 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I am on the brink of buying a second hand Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1,
> >probably circa 1991, from an elderly lady in Cape Town.  It was her
> >husbands unit - he passed and she has no further use for all the high
> >end gear he had.  The price is R2200.00 which equates to US Dollars
> >300.00 going by the exchange rates, and more like 500.00 based on
> >domestic buying power.  Apparently it has been well cared for, worked
> >fine when he last used it and has no scratches or dings. I realize it
> >isn't a classic fom the early to mid-eighties.  Stephen, you mentioned
> >that mechanically it was suspect due to the constantly running motor.
> >You also rated it low or even lowest (could that be?) on the Nakmichi
> >foodchain.  Is that from a sound point of view, or a combination of
> >things including rather iffy looks.  Is it better, worse or much the
> >same as the DR series.  The owner says it does not work presently due to
> >a 'belt' that needs replacing.  According to the specs on Wouters site,
> >it is gear driven.  So, apparently 'the belt ' is on order......and it's
> >with some technician who for all I know doesn't know a Nakamichi from a
> >blow-dryer.
> >
> >I'm betting on a Nakamichi-trained Taiwanese chap in Jo'Burg who comes
> >well recommended from other sources but obviously, I don't want some
> >other fellow to muck it up out of sheer ignorance.
> >
> >So, anyone, please....how does the Cassette Deck 1 sound compared with
> >other Naks and is the motor - or any other aspects that make it less
> >sought after- a serious concern??  Is it fully servicable for many years
> >to come?
> >
> >P.S.  Stephen...do you still have that 'nice LX5' looking for a good
> >home?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >MARC
> >
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From jannissu at worldonline.nl  Fri Oct 20 12:17:13 2000
From: jannissu at worldonline.nl (Jannis)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:17:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
Message-ID: <001701c03a7f$002a3e80$59c7f1c3@jannissu>

Hi Stephen

About 4 week ago I bought a CR-4 which looks and sounds great. 
The only problem (I thought) is that it is tuned for BASF tapes. This necessitates bias adjustment for taping on Maxell tapes.

The serious problem however begun last week when, after turning the deck on, I noticed that sometimes it does not react when I press  the "play" or the "fast forward" or the "Rew" button. In addition (and this happened only once so far) only the left reel started turning and as a result the tape got rather tangled. 

I wonder whether you can tell me what is wrong with the thing. 
Could it be that I used a RM-200 remote control instead of the RM-5 which (according to the specifications) is the one required for this deck? 

With friendly regards,

Jannis Soulantikas
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Oct 20 14:58:16 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:58:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1
References: <000601c03a63$21e36d60$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <005901c03a95$6a4cf3a0$ac496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Ouch! on that last line.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1


> Really, the only complaint I have with the Cas.Deck1 is the attempt by Nak
> that year of getting away with a cheap Matsushita motor for capstan drive,
> in place of the nicer, more expensive Sankyo motor of the BX/CR decks.
Most
> failed well within warranty period, partly due to the bizarre decision to
> have them running full time, which was not a problem with the previous
> motor.  Every single Cass.Deck series unit I got in for service in
warranty
> got a Sankyo motor, long before Nak gave it up & made it the prescribed
> procedure.
> The good news is that you can still order a BX100/CR-1/DR-1 motor from
Nak,
> or scavenge one from a BX-1, BX-2, etc., as the cap shaft bearings wear
out,
> but the cap motors don't.
> Yes, I still have the *sweet!* LX-5 available.  But the silver & black
front
> panel makes it mixed race.  Is that legal now in S.A.?
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Hugo <mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:42 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1
>
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I am on the brink of buying a second hand Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1,
> >probably circa 1991, from an elderly lady in Cape Town.  It was her
> >husbands unit - he passed and she has no further use for all the high
> >end gear he had.  The price is R2200.00 which equates to US Dollars
> >300.00 going by the exchange rates, and more like 500.00 based on
> >domestic buying power.  Apparently it has been well cared for, worked
> >fine when he last used it and has no scratches or dings. I realize it
> >isn't a classic fom the early to mid-eighties.  Stephen, you mentioned
> >that mechanically it was suspect due to the constantly running motor.
> >You also rated it low or even lowest (could that be?) on the Nakmichi
> >foodchain.  Is that from a sound point of view, or a combination of
> >things including rather iffy looks.  Is it better, worse or much the
> >same as the DR series.  The owner says it does not work presently due to
> >a 'belt' that needs replacing.  According to the specs on Wouters site,
> >it is gear driven.  So, apparently 'the belt ' is on order......and it's
> >with some technician who for all I know doesn't know a Nakamichi from a
> >blow-dryer.
> >
> >I'm betting on a Nakamichi-trained Taiwanese chap in Jo'Burg who comes
> >well recommended from other sources but obviously, I don't want some
> >other fellow to muck it up out of sheer ignorance.
> >
> >So, anyone, please....how does the Cassette Deck 1 sound compared with
> >other Naks and is the motor - or any other aspects that make it less
> >sought after- a serious concern??  Is it fully servicable for many years
> >to come?
> >
> >P.S.  Stephen...do you still have that 'nice LX5' looking for a good
> >home?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >MARC
> >
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Oct 21 11:34:25 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:34:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] Server status
Message-ID: <200010210934.LAA16336@webmail1.xs4all.nl>

Hey All,

Yesterday I moved the server to the new building and immedeately connected it 
to the network! So initially the server was down for about 30minutes. But there 
is some work going on on the company network and firewall so the site and 
naktalk could still be unavailable at some point.
The past hours the site was down due to the network calbe which wouldn't stay 
in the networkcard of the server.... I'll have to fix this on monday!

So we can all enjoy naktalk again!

Wouter
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Sat Oct 21 00:47:58 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:47:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
Message-ID: <OF4AA394B7.4A27B353-ON8625697E.007CD337@ac.com>

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|Bush said, in his prepared remarks, "This is analog thinking in a digital |
|age, 28K thinking in a broadband era, an eight-track ideology in an MP3   |
|world"                                                                    |
|                                                                          |
|It's about time we had a real debate about real issues in the American    |
|presidential campaign.  But doesn't this guy understand that "analog" is  |
|now hip and warm, whereas "digital" is cold and distant?  Also, where does|
|this place him in the Napster follies?                                    |
|                                                                          |
|All I know is that I'll bet Clinton is still not selling his way-cool     |
|vinyl collection.                                                         |
|                                                                          |
|George                                                                    |
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct 20 17:20:51 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:20:51 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
Message-ID: <00b501c03aa9$55a785a0$7393bccf@sank1>

I think you will find that your mechanism mode control drive motor("cam
motor") is developing excessive carbon deposits on it's rotor commutator.
Either replace the motor, CA80007A, or just take it apart & clean it.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:33 AM
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen


Hi Stephen

About 4 week ago I bought a CR-4 which looks and sounds great.
The only problem (I thought) is that it is tuned for BASF tapes. This
necessitates bias adjustment for taping on Maxell tapes.

The serious problem however begun last week when, after turning the deck on,
I noticed that sometimes it does not react when I press  the "play" or the
"fast forward" or the "Rew" button. In addition (and this happened only once
so far) only the left reel started turning and as a result the tape got
rather tangled.

I wonder whether you can tell me what is wrong with the thing.
Could it be that I used a RM-200 remote control instead of the RM-5 which
(according to the specifications) is the one required for this deck?

With friendly regards,

Jannis Soulantikas


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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sat Oct 21 03:42:51 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:42:51 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Detailed information on different cassettes
Message-ID: <39F0F49A.C4476B0F@com2com.ru>

Dear Nak-mates!

Herewith I would like to notify all those, who still feel like wanting
to get some detailed and comprehensive information on different tapes,
that I finally managed to post a whole lot of infos at the address:
www.geocities.com/assimil_ru/comparison.html

The tapes covered are BASF, Denon, Fuji, Maxell, Sony & TDK. Everybody's
welcome!

Sincerely

Nick
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From rciscon at comark.com  Sat Oct 21 07:49:10 2000
From: rciscon at comark.com (Ciscon, Ray)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:49:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: [idealcopy] The first serious issue of the campaign
Message-ID: <3D5F67C08DB7D211A02600805FE6EFC103635178@ORION>

George wrote:

> |All I know is that I'll bet Clinton is still not selling his 
> way-cool     |
> |vinyl collection.                                            
>              |

============
George,

Don't forget, Clinton isn't nearly as 'hip' as you might think he is... his
favorite band is 'Fleetwood Mac', especially 'Rumors'. His idea of a good
time is cruising in his El Camino with astroturf in the back and picking up
chicks... In fact, now that I think of it... Arkansas Bill is our president
most likely to have ever sported a mullet.

Forn those of you in the UK who have no idea what an 'El Camino' is, it's a
60's- early 70's combination car/pickup truck. Bill once boasted of putting
astroturf in the back of his, much easier to bed the ladies back there.

Plus I think that I heard that Al Gore invented MP3's. 

Cheers,

Ray (on holiday in Palm Springs California) Ciscon

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct 20 17:18:31 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:18:31 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1
Message-ID: <00aa01c03aa9$0256c960$7393bccf@sank1>

Best time to reach me by phone is 5-9pm, MST, which I think is 6 hours
earlier than GMT.
So, you're a segregationalist with your systems!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Hugo <mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1


>Thanks Stephen - instant response much appreciated!
>I'll call you on your business line re the LX5.  In terms of new
legislation an LX
>machine would have to exercise it's democratic rights as to whether it
wants to
>integrate into my newer pure black set-up, or my classic eighties silver
system!!!!
>
>
>Cheers, Marc
>
>Stephen Sank wrote:
>
>> Really, the only complaint I have with the Cas.Deck1 is the attempt by
Nak
>> that year of getting away with a cheap Matsushita motor for capstan
drive,
>> in place of the nicer, more expensive Sankyo motor of the BX/CR decks.
Most
>> failed well within warranty period, partly due to the bizarre decision to
>> have them running full time, which was not a problem with the previous
>> motor.  Every single Cass.Deck series unit I got in for service in
warranty
>> got a Sankyo motor, long before Nak gave it up & made it the prescribed
>> procedure.
>> The good news is that you can still order a BX100/CR-1/DR-1 motor from
Nak,
>> or scavenge one from a BX-1, BX-2, etc., as the cap shaft bearings wear
out,
>> but the cap motors don't.
>> Yes, I still have the *sweet!* LX-5 available.  But the silver & black
front
>> panel makes it mixed race.  Is that legal now in S.A.?
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marc Hugo <mhugo at sunint.co.za>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:42 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] Secondhand Cassette Deck 1
>>
>> >Hi all,
>> >
>> >I am on the brink of buying a second hand Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1,
>> >probably circa 1991, from an elderly lady in Cape Town.  It was her
>> >husbands unit - he passed and she has no further use for all the high
>> >end gear he had.  The price is R2200.00 which equates to US Dollars
>> >300.00 going by the exchange rates, and more like 500.00 based on
>> >domestic buying power.  Apparently it has been well cared for, worked
>> >fine when he last used it and has no scratches or dings. I realize it
>> >isn't a classic fom the early to mid-eighties.  Stephen, you mentioned
>> >that mechanically it was suspect due to the constantly running motor.
>> >You also rated it low or even lowest (could that be?) on the Nakmichi
>> >foodchain.  Is that from a sound point of view, or a combination of
>> >things including rather iffy looks.  Is it better, worse or much the
>> >same as the DR series.  The owner says it does not work presently due to
>> >a 'belt' that needs replacing.  According to the specs on Wouters site,
>> >it is gear driven.  So, apparently 'the belt ' is on order......and it's
>> >with some technician who for all I know doesn't know a Nakamichi from a
>> >blow-dryer.
>> >
>> >I'm betting on a Nakamichi-trained Taiwanese chap in Jo'Burg who comes
>> >well recommended from other sources but obviously, I don't want some
>> >other fellow to muck it up out of sheer ignorance.
>> >
>> >So, anyone, please....how does the Cassette Deck 1 sound compared with
>> >other Naks and is the motor - or any other aspects that make it less
>> >sought after- a serious concern??  Is it fully servicable for many years
>> >to come?
>> >
>> >P.S.  Stephen...do you still have that 'nice LX5' looking for a good
>> >home?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >MARC
>> >
>>
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>> resource.
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct 21 13:37:09 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:37:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
In-Reply-To: <OF4AA394B7.4A27B353-ON8625697E.007CD337@ac.com>
Message-ID: <000301c03b53$3f591160$8c23883e@a4s1s2>

Nope, nor the foot-stall he has the girls kneel on in front of him ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> george.m.hook at ac.com
> Sent: 20 October 2000 23:48
> To: idealcopy at smoe.org; naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
> 
> 
> |-----------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------|
> |Bush said, in his prepared remarks, "This is analog thinking in 
> a digital |
> |age, 28K thinking in a broadband era, an eight-track ideology in 
> an MP3   |
> |world"                                                           
>          |
> |                                                                 
>          |
> |It's about time we had a real debate about real issues in the 
> American    |
> |presidential campaign.  But doesn't this guy understand that 
> "analog" is  |
> |now hip and warm, whereas "digital" is cold and distant?  Also, 
> where does|
> |this place him in the Napster follies?                           
>          |
> |                                                                 
>          |
> |All I know is that I'll bet Clinton is still not selling his 
> way-cool     |
> |vinyl collection.                                                
>          |
> |                                                                 
>          |
> |George                                                           
>          |
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct 21 13:37:06 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:37:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Server status
In-Reply-To: <200010210934.LAA16336@webmail1.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <000201c03b53$3d93e1c0$8c23883e@a4s1s2>

Man, you're a hero!  We must erect a statue in your honour!!!  Wouter and
Nak ... (Any sculptors out there who can make this?)

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Wouter Heijke
> Sent: 21 October 2000 10:34
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Server status
>
>
> Hey All,
>
> Yesterday I moved the server to the new building and immedeately
> connected it
> to the network! So initially the server was down for about
> 30minutes. But there
> is some work going on on the company network and firewall so the site and
> naktalk could still be unavailable at some point.
> The past hours the site was down due to the network calbe which
> wouldn't stay
> in the networkcard of the server.... I'll have to fix this on monday!
>
> So we can all enjoy naktalk again!
>
> Wouter
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From PaulRabjohn at aol.com  Sat Oct 21 14:02:13 2000
From: PaulRabjohn at aol.com (PaulRabjohn at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:02:13 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: [idealcopy] The first serious issue of the campaign
Message-ID: <43.ba7cafd.2722dfc5@aol.com>

wonder if tony blair's still playing his robert johnson lp's? 
he chose one on his "desert island discs" which i wondered if it was a first 
sign of a sense of humour in the guy. a lot of articles were written about 
his choices (springsteen , guns n roses , some light classical) but the 
writers obviously didn't know who RJ was enough to repeat the obvious 
anecdote. and the more you think about it......

(and don't go see that "oh brother where art thou" movie either. duff in 
extremis. p)
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sat Oct 21 17:46:43 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:46:43 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Yet Another Dragon....
Message-ID: <AHBELGPCFLDGLAAA@angelfire.com>

A fire-breathing digital Nak Dragon!  Perusing ebay last night, and behold, a glimpse of the elusive Dragon CD player, which appears to be offered from a NYC/USA commercial audio seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=473206168

Looks like something very special.  Does anyone have personal knowledge, brochure, specs or critical review info?  

Blues

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From marc at stager.com  Sat Oct 21 20:04:02 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:04:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Detailed information on different cassettes
In-Reply-To: <39F0F49A.C4476B0F@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001021134148.01c3e8a0@mail.flashcom.net>

Nick,

The most important factor in a tape the subjective opinion of how
good it sounds, assuming you already have good technical performance.

In your chart I find the neutrality column very interesting.
The Maxell MX-S, with an excellent OL both at the 315 hz and 10Khz,
had a flat out NO in that important parameter. The Sony Metal XR,
not their best tape by any means, Had a YES, and the MOL, SOL figures
were extremely close to MX-S, and Sony had a lower noise floor.
I would have loved to see how their audiophile grade Metal ES
would have done.

see:
http://www.qsl.net/lz1bjr/boardman/link/bg_tapes.htm

Sony Metal ES was evaluated here: but I can't read Bulgarian.
The numbers look pretty interesting. The Maxell premium metal
tape, MA-XG is also listed here but missing from your chart.

What was your source for this information and when were these
tapes tested?

_________________________________ Marc Stager


==========================================================






At 10/20/00, you wrote:
>Dear Nak-mates!
>
>Herewith I would like to notify all those, who still feel like wanting to 
>get some detailed and comprehensive information on different tapes, that I 
>finally managed to post a whole lot of infos at the address: 
><http://www.geocities.com/assimil_ru/comparison.html>www.geocities.com/assimil_ru/comparison.html 
>
>
>The tapes covered are BASF, Denon, Fuji, Maxell, Sony & TDK. Everybody's 
>welcome!
>
>Sincerely
>
>Nick
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sat Oct 21 23:46:34 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 01:46:34 +0400
Subject: [naktalk] Detailed information on different cassettes
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001021134148.01c3e8a0@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <39F20EB9.D7E6E1FE@com2com.ru>

Thanks for your interest, Marc. If I got it right, you was wondering
about the excellent Maxell MX-S NOT being sonically neutral. You're
absolutely right when saying that the most important factor is the
SUBJECTIVE feeling of how good it sounds. This is true for anything
within the realm of audio though...  The 'neutrality' parameter is the
most subjective one. Unlike, say, lower MOL it does not make a tape
technically better or worse. It just says, how close is the recorded
sound to source in the part of acquired COLOR. It's very difficult to
intelligibly explain what the colour of sound is. It can be additional
softness or harshness it gets after being put to the tape.
Unfortunately, these things cannot be measured. But they are present in
the table, because it's very important (al least to me) to know what can
I expect from the tape in the part of affecting the sound as such. For
example, my amplifier adds additional warmth and brightness to the sound
which cater to my ear very much. I bought such an amplifier on purpose,
because I always disliked amplifiers featuring exceptionally neutral
sound, that always seemed a bit too dry and cold to me. The same applies
to cassettes.

The materials are based upon tests performed by a Russian audiophile
magazine titled "Audio-Shop", issue 1996.

Nick

P.S.
Although I'm a Russian and our languages are relatively similar, reading
in Bulgarian is a real pain in the ass to me as well :-)


Marc Stager wrote:

>  Nick,
>
> The most important factor in a tape the subjective opinion of how
> good it sounds, assuming you already have good technical performance.
>
> In your chart I find the neutrality column very interesting.
> The Maxell MX-S, with an excellent OL both at the 315 hz and 10Khz,
> had a flat out NO in that important parameter. The Sony Metal XR,
> not their best tape by any means, Had a YES, and the MOL, SOL figures
> were extremely close to MX-S, and Sony had a lower noise floor.
> I would have loved to see how their audiophile grade Metal ES
> would have done.
>
> see:
> http://www.qsl.net/lz1bjr/boardman/link/bg_tapes.htm
>
> Sony Metal ES was evaluated here: but I can't read Bulgarian.
> The numbers look pretty interesting. The Maxell premium metal
> tape, MA-XG is also listed here but missing from your chart.
>
> What was your source for this information and when were these
> tapes tested?
>
> _________________________________ Marc Stager
>
>
> ==========================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10/20/00, you wrote:
>
>> Dear Nak-mates!
>>
>> Herewith I would like to notify all those, who still feel like
>> wanting to get some detailed and comprehensive information on
>> different tapes, that I finally managed to post a whole lot of infos
>> at the address: www.geocities.com/assimil_ru/comparison.html
>>
>> The tapes covered are BASF, Denon, Fuji, Maxell, Sony & TDK.
>> Everybody's welcome!
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Nick
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct 22 00:10:02 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:10:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
References: <OF4AA394B7.4A27B353-ON8625697E.007CD337@ac.com>
Message-ID: <39F2143A.C8F17BDB@concentric.net>


I wonder if he'd know digital from a tail less donkey,
or even if he has a clue what MP3 stands for. Someone
wrote the stuff for him and he parroted it. Big deal!

You may surmise I am not one of the throng that are
watching his lips  :-).

-- Ron


george.m.hook at ac.com wrote:
> 
> |--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> |Bush said, in his prepared remarks, "This is analog thinking in a digital |
> |age, 28K thinking in a broadband era, an eight-track ideology in an MP3   |
> |world"                                                                    |
> |                                                                          |
> |It's about time we had a real debate about real issues in the American    |
> |presidential campaign.  But doesn't this guy understand that "analog" is  |
> |now hip and warm, whereas "digital" is cold and distant?  Also, where does|
> |this place him in the Napster follies?                                    |
> |                                                                          |
> |All I know is that I'll bet Clinton is still not selling his way-cool     |
> |vinyl collection.                                                         |
> |                                                                          |
> |George                                                                    |
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sun Oct 22 00:30:41 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:30:41 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Detailed information on different cassettes
Message-ID: <001e01c03bae$8c3362a0$7293bccf@sank1>

Measurement-wise, Maxell MX-S, which seems very durable & uniform, has a
very much tilted upward high end response.  Properly biased, it is about 2dB
bright at 12kHz or so, rising to 2.5-3dB high at 20kHz.  Only a auto-cal Nak
with rec eq adjust, i.e., CR-7, 700ZXE/ZXL & 1000ZXL, can get anything
approaching neutrality out of an MX-S.  However, a lot of people prefer the
sound of a tape that is a bit bright, as Nick suggests.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Igritski <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, October 21, 2000 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Detailed information on different cassettes


>Thanks for your interest, Marc. If I got it right, you was wondering
>about the excellent Maxell MX-S NOT being sonically neutral. You're
>absolutely right when saying that the most important factor is the
>SUBJECTIVE feeling of how good it sounds. This is true for anything
>within the realm of audio though...  The 'neutrality' parameter is the
>most subjective one. Unlike, say, lower MOL it does not make a tape
>technically better or worse. It just says, how close is the recorded
>sound to source in the part of acquired COLOR. It's very difficult to
>intelligibly explain what the colour of sound is. It can be additional
>softness or harshness it gets after being put to the tape.
>Unfortunately, these things cannot be measured. But they are present in
>the table, because it's very important (al least to me) to know what can
>I expect from the tape in the part of affecting the sound as such. For
>example, my amplifier adds additional warmth and brightness to the sound
>which cater to my ear very much. I bought such an amplifier on purpose,
>because I always disliked amplifiers featuring exceptionally neutral
>sound, that always seemed a bit too dry and cold to me. The same applies
>to cassettes.
>
>The materials are based upon tests performed by a Russian audiophile
>magazine titled "Audio-Shop", issue 1996.
>
>Nick
>
>P.S.
>Although I'm a Russian and our languages are relatively similar, reading
>in Bulgarian is a real pain in the ass to me as well :-)
>
>
>Marc Stager wrote:
>
>>  Nick,
>>
>> The most important factor in a tape the subjective opinion of how
>> good it sounds, assuming you already have good technical performance.
>>
>> In your chart I find the neutrality column very interesting.
>> The Maxell MX-S, with an excellent OL both at the 315 hz and 10Khz,
>> had a flat out NO in that important parameter. The Sony Metal XR,
>> not their best tape by any means, Had a YES, and the MOL, SOL figures
>> were extremely close to MX-S, and Sony had a lower noise floor.
>> I would have loved to see how their audiophile grade Metal ES
>> would have done.
>>
>> see:
>> http://www.qsl.net/lz1bjr/boardman/link/bg_tapes.htm
>>
>> Sony Metal ES was evaluated here: but I can't read Bulgarian.
>> The numbers look pretty interesting. The Maxell premium metal
>> tape, MA-XG is also listed here but missing from your chart.
>>
>> What was your source for this information and when were these
>> tapes tested?
>>
>> _________________________________ Marc Stager
>>
>>
>> ==========================================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10/20/00, you wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Nak-mates!
>>>
>>> Herewith I would like to notify all those, who still feel like
>>> wanting to get some detailed and comprehensive information on
>>> different tapes, that I finally managed to post a whole lot of infos
>>> at the address: www.geocities.com/assimil_ru/comparison.html
>>>
>>> The tapes covered are BASF, Denon, Fuji, Maxell, Sony & TDK.
>>> Everybody's welcome!
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Sun Oct 22 01:55:49 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:55:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
Message-ID: <OFFB7DD04B.BB7FC6DA-ON8625697F.00835C56@ac.com>



>From what I understand, they were "prepared statements."  He read them,
though, without saying:  "Analal and digitog."

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Sun Oct 22 03:31:18 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:31:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Detailed information on different cassettes
Message-ID: <OF3956F261.3424DD0D-ON86256980.00084DA3@ac.com>



The Maxell MX-S rules, is all I have to say!

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Sun Oct 22 03:38:53 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:38:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
Message-ID: <OF5C71B52D.0704294A-ON86256980.0008E824@ac.com>



Ron:  It is just somewhat strange that one of my pleasurable obsessions
(analog vs. digital) should come up during the campaign.  If Bush becomes
president, will he ban all my analog sources of entertainment?  George

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From enoyes at snet.net  Sun Oct 22 04:35:20 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:35:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
References: <00b501c03aa9$55a785a0$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39F25265.E75881CB@snet.net>

I just pulled one apart the other day and it's a piece of cake to clean... in fact,
the toughest part is getting the bloody thing apart from the transport mechanism as it
is fairly well nestled in there.

Ed

Stephen Sank wrote:

> I think you will find that your mechanism mode control drive motor("cam
> motor") is developing excessive carbon deposits on it's rotor commutator.
> Either replace the motor, CA80007A, or just take it apart & clean it.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:33 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
>
> Hi Stephen
>
> About 4 week ago I bought a CR-4 which looks and sounds great.
> The only problem (I thought) is that it is tuned for BASF tapes. This
> necessitates bias adjustment for taping on Maxell tapes.
>
> The serious problem however begun last week when, after turning the deck on,
> I noticed that sometimes it does not react when I press  the "play" or the
> "fast forward" or the "Rew" button. In addition (and this happened only once
> so far) only the left reel started turning and as a result the tape got
> rather tangled.
>
> I wonder whether you can tell me what is wrong with the thing.
> Could it be that I used a RM-200 remote control instead of the RM-5 which
> (according to the specifications) is the one required for this deck?
>
> With friendly regards,
>
> Jannis Soulantikas
>
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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Sun Oct 22 11:21:11 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:21:11 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL for sale in E-bay
Message-ID: <004e01c03c09$6be780c0$de7dc6cb@adamhomepc>

Hey guys,

1000ZXL on Ebay.. started off at $300 now it's up to $1200.  
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=469982811

If one has a Dragon, is it worth getting a 100ZXL?

Adam
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct 22 11:56:15 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:56:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
In-Reply-To: <OFFB7DD04B.BB7FC6DA-ON8625697F.00835C56@ac.com>
Message-ID: <000401c03c0e$516d4c20$9c20883e@a4s1s2>

Guys

Have you noticed you NEVER see our George Hook at the same time as Bill
Clinton ... are they the same analogue lovers??

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> george.m.hook at ac.com
> Sent: 22 October 2000 00:56
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
>
>
>
>
> From what I understand, they were "prepared statements."  He read them,
> though, without saying:  "Analal and digitog."
>
>

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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct 22 16:26:55 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:26:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
References: <OF5C71B52D.0704294A-ON86256980.0008E824@ac.com>
Message-ID: <39F2F92F.89BB8970@concentric.net>

george.m.hook at ac.com wrote:
> 
> Ron:  It is just somewhat strange that one of my pleasurable obsessions
> (analog vs. digital) should come up during the campaign.  If Bush becomes
> president, will he ban all my analog sources of entertainment?  George
> 

Only in bedroom systems.

-- Ron
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct 22 16:55:32 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:55:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL for sale in E-bay
References: <004e01c03c09$6be780c0$de7dc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <39F2FFE4.33FB7CC1@concentric.net>

> Adam Yousuf wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> 1000ZXL on Ebay.. started off at $300 now it's up to
> $1200.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=469982811
> 
> If one has a Dragon, is it worth getting a 100ZXL?
> 
> Adam

I truly do not think so. Even at $1200, let alone, if
the price goes higher.

You will note that the seller provided a very sparse
description. I emailed four or five specific questions
that would determine the value for me. The seller
responded to one or two, rather vaguely, claiming the
unit has been used 'very little' in the past 5 years
(like everything else for sale on ebay, LOL). He
didn't know if he had the user's manual (forgive my
cynicism, but I suspect this means it won't arrive
in the box...) He wouldn't tell S/N or the date of
manufacturing.

Where else do people buy a cassette deck, sight unseen,
for $1200, without even minimal information about what
they are buying, except on ebay?

-- Ron
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From DJBrown96 at aol.com  Sun Oct 22 18:33:40 2000
From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:33:40 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
Message-ID: <7e.bdafe4a.272470e4@aol.com>

You guys should worry more about Clinton selling all of our precious analog 
equipment to the Peoples Republic of China. Dennis
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct 22 18:41:03 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:41:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
References: <7e.bdafe4a.272470e4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39F3189F.B41C849D@concentric.net>

DJBrown96 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> You guys should worry more about Clinton selling all of our precious analog
> equipment to the Peoples Republic of China. Dennis

Really foolhardy of him. He's get a far better price
on ebay.

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From jannissu at worldonline.nl  Sun Oct 22 19:14:12 2000
From: jannissu at worldonline.nl (Jannis)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:14:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
References: <00b501c03aa9$55a785a0$7393bccf@sank1> <39F25265.E75881CB@snet.net>
Message-ID: <000701c03c4b$81c41920$dae6f1c3@jannissu>

Hi guys,

What can I use to clean the motor with?

Jannis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen


> I just pulled one apart the other day and it's a piece of cake to clean...
in fact,
> the toughest part is getting the bloody thing apart from the transport
mechanism as it
> is fairly well nestled in there.
>
> Ed
>
> Stephen Sank wrote:
>
> > I think you will find that your mechanism mode control drive motor("cam
> > motor") is developing excessive carbon deposits on it's rotor
commutator.
> > Either replace the motor, CA80007A, or just take it apart & clean it.
> >
> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:33 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> >
> > Hi Stephen
> >
> > About 4 week ago I bought a CR-4 which looks and sounds great.
> > The only problem (I thought) is that it is tuned for BASF tapes. This
> > necessitates bias adjustment for taping on Maxell tapes.
> >
> > The serious problem however begun last week when, after turning the deck
on,
> > I noticed that sometimes it does not react when I press  the "play" or
the
> > "fast forward" or the "Rew" button. In addition (and this happened only
once
> > so far) only the left reel started turning and as a result the tape got
> > rather tangled.
> >
> > I wonder whether you can tell me what is wrong with the thing.
> > Could it be that I used a RM-200 remote control instead of the RM-5
which
> > (according to the specifications) is the one required for this deck?
> >
> > With friendly regards,
> >
> > Jannis Soulantikas
> >
> >
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Oct 22 20:25:51 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:25:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Server status
References: <000201c03b53$3d93e1c0$8c23883e@a4s1s2>
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No, not just me... Mainly my collegues who were working very hard to get the network up
and giving me and a collegue the honour to put our (private) servers in the new
building before all the others!! For them it was just a good 'test case'!

After a week or 2 the site will also be faster due to a better network
performance....and all of this for free!

Wouter

Graham Nelson wrote:

> Man, you're a hero!  We must erect a statue in your honour!!!  Wouter and
> Nak ... (Any sculptors out there who can make this?)
>
> Gra'
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
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> >
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> > The past hours the site was down due to the network calbe which
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> >
> > So we can all enjoy naktalk again!
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sun Oct 22 22:24:12 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 14:24:12 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
Message-ID: <02b801c03c66$0b1f3820$7293bccf@sank1>

A tiny flat blade screwdriver, a few wood-handled Q-tips & some silicone
lubricant spray(electronic grade, i.e., non-conductive).
I think it would be best if Ed Noyes describes the procedure to you, as I
have a hard time communicating such things so that a normal person can
understand what I am describing.  You awake, Ed?

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen


>Hi guys,
>
>What can I use to clean the motor with?
>
>Jannis
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
>
>
>> I just pulled one apart the other day and it's a piece of cake to
clean...
>in fact,
>> the toughest part is getting the bloody thing apart from the transport
>mechanism as it
>> is fairly well nestled in there.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Stephen Sank wrote:
>>
>> > I think you will find that your mechanism mode control drive motor("cam
>> > motor") is developing excessive carbon deposits on it's rotor
>commutator.
>> > Either replace the motor, CA80007A, or just take it apart & clean it.
>> >
>> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
>> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:33 AM
>> > Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
>> >
>> > Hi Stephen
>> >
>> > About 4 week ago I bought a CR-4 which looks and sounds great.
>> > The only problem (I thought) is that it is tuned for BASF tapes. This
>> > necessitates bias adjustment for taping on Maxell tapes.
>> >
>> > The serious problem however begun last week when, after turning the
deck
>on,
>> > I noticed that sometimes it does not react when I press  the "play" or
>the
>> > "fast forward" or the "Rew" button. In addition (and this happened only
>once
>> > so far) only the left reel started turning and as a result the tape got
>> > rather tangled.
>> >
>> > I wonder whether you can tell me what is wrong with the thing.
>> > Could it be that I used a RM-200 remote control instead of the RM-5
>which
>> > (according to the specifications) is the one required for this deck?
>> >
>> > With friendly regards,
>> >
>> > Jannis Soulantikas
>> >
>> >
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct 22 23:29:37 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:29:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
References: <02b801c03c66$0b1f3820$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39F35C41.7A224E80@concentric.net>


May I butt in? The following works for any motor:

If the shaft can wobble in the bearings, replace it,
it isn't worth your time.

Disassemble motor. For brush motors, burnish
commutator segments with 0000 steel wool (taking
super extra care not to damage wires), until nice
and shiny. Spray all parts with mild degreaser,
then blow compressed air to dry, making sure to get
rid of all steel dust. If detachable, dunk sintered
bronze bearings in very light machine oil for several
hours. If stuck in the end caps, apply a few drops of
light oil, let stand and reapply from time to time.
Apply a couple of drops of switch contact cleaner to
commutator segments and brush ends. Re-assemble.

Turn by hand briskly. It should feel lubricated and
coast a bit afterwards.

Apply power. The motor should spurt right up to speed
and be quieter than before. Apply light pressure with
finger against shaft. It should not stall.

Does this meet with your approval, Stephen?

-- Ron



Stephen Sank wrote:
> 
> A tiny flat blade screwdriver, a few wood-handled Q-tips & some silicone
> lubricant spray(electronic grade, i.e., non-conductive).
> I think it would be best if Ed Noyes describes the procedure to you, as I
> have a hard time communicating such things so that a normal person can
> understand what I am describing.  You awake, Ed?
> 
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> 
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >What can I use to clean the motor with?
> >
> >Jannis
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:35 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> >
> >
> >> I just pulled one apart the other day and it's a piece of cake to
> clean...
> >in fact,
> >> the toughest part is getting the bloody thing apart from the transport
> >mechanism as it
> >> is fairly well nestled in there.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Stephen Sank wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think you will find that your mechanism mode control drive motor("cam
> >> > motor") is developing excessive carbon deposits on it's rotor
> >commutator.
> >> > Either replace the motor, CA80007A, or just take it apart & clean it.
> >> >
> >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> >> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:33 AM
> >> > Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> >> >
> >> > Hi Stephen
> >> >
> >> > About 4 week ago I bought a CR-4 which looks and sounds great.
> >> > The only problem (I thought) is that it is tuned for BASF tapes. This
> >> > necessitates bias adjustment for taping on Maxell tapes.
> >> >
> >> > The serious problem however begun last week when, after turning the
> deck
> >on,
> >> > I noticed that sometimes it does not react when I press  the "play" or
> >the
> >> > "fast forward" or the "Rew" button. In addition (and this happened only
> >once
> >> > so far) only the left reel started turning and as a result the tape got
> >> > rather tangled.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder whether you can tell me what is wrong with the thing.
> >> > Could it be that I used a RM-200 remote control instead of the RM-5
> >which
> >> > (according to the specifications) is the one required for this deck?
> >> >
> >> > With friendly regards,
> >> >
> >> > Jannis Soulantikas
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct 22 23:41:39 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:41:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Old Maxell Classics....
References: <IGMGGEPPJHJOKAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <00e801c03c70$dffbd1c0$622f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Blues:

Well, this tape thing depends on many factors. I'm still having good
playback without squills from all TDK AD tapes I used to record 20 years
ago. Maxells are pretty stable too. You know, sometimes a batch came out not
so good from time to time but that's natural. The Scotch's and Memorex are
simply shit. Even when they were still new.

 Well, perhaps if you "bake" the cassette at a temperature that your shell
can not melt down for an hour or so, maybe it will give you enough time to
transfer that recording to a new tape.

Best,

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: "Carlos" <copytec at coqui.net>
Cc: "Mr Blues" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>; <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:26 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Old Maxell Classics....


> A question for the Tape Man......
>
> I've got a stack of classic Maxell UDXLII cassettes, that still playback
quite well.  I'm thinking of re-recording some other music on these
cassettes.  Generally, what is the condition of the magnetic tape, after all
these years?  Any best way to reoptimize these for current day use??  I
approximate that these were first used in 1978 or 79.  Amazing that these
Maxells still have some hutzpah, and they're certainly built solidly to
last!
>
> Carlos (Mr Tape Man), where are you???
>
> Blues
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct 22 23:44:24 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:44:24 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???
References: <39EC9CD7.9118C94A@chello.at>
Message-ID: <00fc01c03c71$3f278720$622f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Wolfgang:

For me the best for recording is non a Nak deck but for playback, the Dragon
still my favorite. The CR-7 and ZX-9 or any other one that you may adjust
the playback azymuth manually should be OK.

The Tape Man

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wolfgang Smetanig" <w.smetanig at chello.at>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 2:39 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Which is the best???


> Hi Naka-friends!
>
> Just want to ask another trivial question:
>
> Which tapedeck is the best for recording, which one the best of playing
> back?
>
> I know that there could start an tremendous discussion - but that´s what
> I´m intended;-))
>
> I own a quite large deck collection (also some non-Nakas) - and just
> want to know which is (in your opinion) the best
>
> Greetings from Austria
>
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Oct 22 23:45:37 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:45:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Server status
References: <000201c03b53$3d93e1c0$8c23883e@a4s1s2> <39F3312F.B619B09B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <010801c03c71$6b16c800$622f2ac4@coqui.net>

Congratulations Wouter ! All the best for you and your friends.

The Tape Man

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Server status


> No, not just me... Mainly my collegues who were working very hard to get
the network up
> and giving me and a collegue the honour to put our (private) servers in
the new
> building before all the others!! For them it was just a good 'test case'!
>
> After a week or 2 the site will also be faster due to a better network
> performance....and all of this for free!
>
> Wouter
>
> Graham Nelson wrote:
>
> > Man, you're a hero!  We must erect a statue in your honour!!!  Wouter
and
> > Nak ... (Any sculptors out there who can make this?)
> >
> > Gra'
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
> > > Wouter Heijke
> > > Sent: 21 October 2000 10:34
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Server status
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey All,
> > >
> > > Yesterday I moved the server to the new building and immedeately
> > > connected it
> > > to the network! So initially the server was down for about
> > > 30minutes. But there
> > > is some work going on on the company network and firewall so the site
and
> > > naktalk could still be unavailable at some point.
> > > The past hours the site was down due to the network calbe which
> > > wouldn't stay
> > > in the networkcard of the server.... I'll have to fix this on monday!
> > >
> > > So we can all enjoy naktalk again!
> > >
> > > Wouter
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From jeidbo at toolcity.net  Sun Oct 22 23:52:48 2000
From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (Joel Eidbo)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:52:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
References: <02b801c03c66$0b1f3820$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <000901c03c72$6db83160$a3e90bd0@oemcomputer>

steve- do you want me to pay via paypal for the pioneer elite cassette deck?
thanks, joel

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Mon Oct 23 02:12:11 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:12:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
Message-ID: <OFB327C9E4.B2314625-ON86256981.00011939@ac.com>



I feel your pain.

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Mon Oct 23 02:13:18 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:13:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] The first serious issue of the campaign
Message-ID: <OF1A90BACD.DF03FFC4-ON86256981.000133A9@ac.com>



Well, there goes the vinyl collection in the bedroom

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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Mon Oct 23 03:43:07 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:43:07 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL for sale in E-bay
References: <004e01c03c09$6be780c0$de7dc6cb@adamhomepc> <39F2FFE4.33FB7CC1@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <004a01c03c92$984340d0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2>

Yeah, it was strange.

He did say that he was selling it for a friend.. so far it hasn't budged
from $1200.

1 hour to go..

Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL for sale in E-bay


> > Adam Yousuf wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > 1000ZXL on Ebay.. started off at $300 now it's up to
> > $1200.
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=469982811
> >
> > If one has a Dragon, is it worth getting a 100ZXL?
> >
> > Adam
>
> I truly do not think so. Even at $1200, let alone, if
> the price goes higher.
>
> You will note that the seller provided a very sparse
> description. I emailed four or five specific questions
> that would determine the value for me. The seller
> responded to one or two, rather vaguely, claiming the
> unit has been used 'very little' in the past 5 years
> (like everything else for sale on ebay, LOL). He
> didn't know if he had the user's manual (forgive my
> cynicism, but I suspect this means it won't arrive
> in the box...) He wouldn't tell S/N or the date of
> manufacturing.
>
> Where else do people buy a cassette deck, sight unseen,
> for $1200, without even minimal information about what
> they are buying, except on ebay?
>
> -- Ron
>
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From enoyes at snet.net  Mon Oct 23 05:04:54 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:04:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
References: <02b801c03c66$0b1f3820$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <39F3AAD3.C9879103@snet.net>

I'd be honored to share this ancient Chinese secret... What you want to do is to first
remove the drive gear from the motor shaft. Then carefully pry back the two metal tabs
that hold the nylon motor back plate in place. Once this is done, you should slowly
push the motor shaft into the case while also guiding the nylon back plate away from
the case as well. The idea here is to remove the back plate and the motor internals
together so as to avoid bending and damaging the bushing assembly. since there is a
bit of magnetic pull involved, I use a very thin screw driver to guide the shaft
through the front bearing sleeve being very careful not to scratch the sleeve. Once
you have everything out of the case, take a good look at it. You'll notice the back of
the motor shaft is seated in the nylon back plate bearing and that the two lead wires
that connect to the motor in turn connect to two thin copper plates with carbon
bushings on the ends. These bushings rest against the motor commutator plates on the
shaft, which is what needs to be cleaned. Gently lift away the carbon bushings and
guide the nylon back plate off of the back of the motor shaft. Now, what has happened
over the years is that the carbon from the bushings has gathered on the commutator
plates and caused the motor to fail. What you want to do is to saturate a Q-tip with
good quality component cleaner/lubricant and literally scrub away the carbon from the
plates on the motor shaft that the carbon bushings were resting on. You should see
that the Q-tip becomes quite black as you clean the commutators... continue to do so
until the finish is very shiny and you stop bringing up more black... may take a few
Q-tips to really do the job. While it is not really mandatory, I like to put a drop of
fine motor bearing oil in the nylon bearing that the back of the shaft rests in. Then
re-assemble the back the same way you took it apart, carefully placing the carbon
bushings on the shaft again... don't be to afraid to flex the copper bushing arms a
little... you don't want to bend them, but you will need to flex them around a little
to get them over the various nylon washers that are also on the shaft. Once the back
is re-assembled, ease the whole thing into the case the same way you eased it out. The
internal magnets will want to pull the motor assembly in with a bit of force so I
again use a tiny screwdriver placed through the front of the motor case to prevent the
possibility of the motor assembly pulling in too fast and possibly pulling away from
the back plate. Once it's together, align the metal tabs on the back of the case with
the slots on the nylon back plate and push them in securely to hold the motor
together. I then grasp the case firmly and wiggle the end of the shaft in all
directions and spin it a bit to make sure everything is moving freely. I also place
another drop of motor bearing oil on the shaft and let that penetrate the bearing
assembly as an extra measure. Put the gear assembly back on the shaft, re-install the
motor and take great pride in bringing your Nakamichi back to life all by yourself!

BTW, this same approach has also proven highly successful for me with the old
Nakamichi 500/600 motors with virtually the exact same procedure... I've had 100%
success with three totally dead motors so far!

Good Luck,
Ed


Stephen Sank wrote:

> A tiny flat blade screwdriver, a few wood-handled Q-tips & some silicone
> lubricant spray(electronic grade, i.e., non-conductive).
> I think it would be best if Ed Noyes describes the procedure to you, as I
> have a hard time communicating such things so that a normal person can
> understand what I am describing.  You awake, Ed?
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
>
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >What can I use to clean the motor with?
> >
> >Jannis
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:35 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> >
> >
> >> I just pulled one apart the other day and it's a piece of cake to
> clean...
> >in fact,
> >> the toughest part is getting the bloody thing apart from the transport
> >mechanism as it
> >> is fairly well nestled in there.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Stephen Sank wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think you will find that your mechanism mode control drive motor("cam
> >> > motor") is developing excessive carbon deposits on it's rotor
> >commutator.
> >> > Either replace the motor, CA80007A, or just take it apart & clean it.
> >> >
> >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> >> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:33 AM
> >> > Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> >> >
> >> > Hi Stephen
> >> >
> >> > About 4 week ago I bought a CR-4 which looks and sounds great.
> >> > The only problem (I thought) is that it is tuned for BASF tapes. This
> >> > necessitates bias adjustment for taping on Maxell tapes.
> >> >
> >> > The serious problem however begun last week when, after turning the
> deck
> >on,
> >> > I noticed that sometimes it does not react when I press  the "play" or
> >the
> >> > "fast forward" or the "Rew" button. In addition (and this happened only
> >once
> >> > so far) only the left reel started turning and as a result the tape got
> >> > rather tangled.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder whether you can tell me what is wrong with the thing.
> >> > Could it be that I used a RM-200 remote control instead of the RM-5
> >which
> >> > (according to the specifications) is the one required for this deck?
> >> >
> >> > With friendly regards,
> >> >
> >> > Jannis Soulantikas
> >> >
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From n.van.wijnen at altavista.net  Mon Oct 23 08:10:57 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at altavista.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:10:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
References: <02b801c03c66$0b1f3820$7293bccf@sank1> <39F3AAD3.C9879103@snet.net>
Message-ID: <002501c03cb8$04598ac0$42182c91@windesheim.nl>

Tip: You can clean the commutators using silverpolish with a Q-tip

Greetings Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen


> I'd be honored to share this ancient Chinese secret... What you want to do
is to first
> remove the drive gear from the motor shaft. Then carefully pry back the
two metal tabs
> that hold the nylon motor back plate in place. Once this is done, you
should slowly
> push the motor shaft into the case while also guiding the nylon back plate
away from
> the case as well. The idea here is to remove the back plate and the motor
internals
> together so as to avoid bending and damaging the bushing assembly. since
there is a
> bit of magnetic pull involved, I use a very thin screw driver to guide the
shaft
> through the front bearing sleeve being very careful not to scratch the
sleeve. Once
> you have everything out of the case, take a good look at it. You'll notice
the back of
> the motor shaft is seated in the nylon back plate bearing and that the two
lead wires
> that connect to the motor in turn connect to two thin copper plates with
carbon
> bushings on the ends. These bushings rest against the motor commutator
plates on the
> shaft, which is what needs to be cleaned. Gently lift away the carbon
bushings and
> guide the nylon back plate off of the back of the motor shaft. Now, what
has happened
> over the years is that the carbon from the bushings has gathered on the
commutator
> plates and caused the motor to fail. What you want to do is to saturate a
Q-tip with
> good quality component cleaner/lubricant and literally scrub away the
carbon from the
> plates on the motor shaft that the carbon bushings were resting on. You
should see
> that the Q-tip becomes quite black as you clean the commutators...
continue to do so
> until the finish is very shiny and you stop bringing up more black... may
take a few
> Q-tips to really do the job. While it is not really mandatory, I like to
put a drop of
> fine motor bearing oil in the nylon bearing that the back of the shaft
rests in. Then
> re-assemble the back the same way you took it apart, carefully placing the
carbon
> bushings on the shaft again... don't be to afraid to flex the copper
bushing arms a
> little... you don't want to bend them, but you will need to flex them
around a little
> to get them over the various nylon washers that are also on the shaft.
Once the back
> is re-assembled, ease the whole thing into the case the same way you eased
it out. The
> internal magnets will want to pull the motor assembly in with a bit of
force so I
> again use a tiny screwdriver placed through the front of the motor case to
prevent the
> possibility of the motor assembly pulling in too fast and possibly pulling
away from
> the back plate. Once it's together, align the metal tabs on the back of
the case with
> the slots on the nylon back plate and push them in securely to hold the
motor
> together. I then grasp the case firmly and wiggle the end of the shaft in
all
> directions and spin it a bit to make sure everything is moving freely. I
also place
> another drop of motor bearing oil on the shaft and let that penetrate the
bearing
> assembly as an extra measure. Put the gear assembly back on the shaft,
re-install the
> motor and take great pride in bringing your Nakamichi back to life all by
yourself!
>
> BTW, this same approach has also proven highly successful for me with the
old
> Nakamichi 500/600 motors with virtually the exact same procedure... I've
had 100%
> success with three totally dead motors so far!
>
> Good Luck,
> Ed
>
>
> Stephen Sank wrote:
>
> > A tiny flat blade screwdriver, a few wood-handled Q-tips & some silicone
> > lubricant spray(electronic grade, i.e., non-conductive).
> > I think it would be best if Ed Noyes describes the procedure to you, as
I
> > have a hard time communicating such things so that a normal person can
> > understand what I am describing.  You awake, Ed?
> >
> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> >
> > >Hi guys,
> > >
> > >What can I use to clean the motor with?
> > >
> > >Jannis
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:35 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> > >
> > >
> > >> I just pulled one apart the other day and it's a piece of cake to
> > clean...
> > >in fact,
> > >> the toughest part is getting the bloody thing apart from the
transport
> > >mechanism as it
> > >> is fairly well nestled in there.
> > >>
> > >> Ed
> > >>
> > >> Stephen Sank wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I think you will find that your mechanism mode control drive
motor("cam
> > >> > motor") is developing excessive carbon deposits on it's rotor
> > >commutator.
> > >> > Either replace the motor, CA80007A, or just take it apart & clean
it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > >> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > >> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> > >> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >> > Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:33 AM
> > >> > Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi Stephen
> > >> >
> > >> > About 4 week ago I bought a CR-4 which looks and sounds great.
> > >> > The only problem (I thought) is that it is tuned for BASF tapes.
This
> > >> > necessitates bias adjustment for taping on Maxell tapes.
> > >> >
> > >> > The serious problem however begun last week when, after turning the
> > deck
> > >on,
> > >> > I noticed that sometimes it does not react when I press  the "play"
or
> > >the
> > >> > "fast forward" or the "Rew" button. In addition (and this happened
only
> > >once
> > >> > so far) only the left reel started turning and as a result the tape
got
> > >> > rather tangled.
> > >> >
> > >> > I wonder whether you can tell me what is wrong with the thing.
> > >> > Could it be that I used a RM-200 remote control instead of the RM-5
> > >which
> > >> > (according to the specifications) is the one required for this
deck?
> > >> >
> > >> > With friendly regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > Jannis Soulantikas
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
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From udurusu at tr.net  Mon Oct 23 18:31:23 2000
From: udurusu at tr.net (Ural Durusu)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:31:23 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] md recorder
Message-ID: <001201c03d0e$afbb5460$f40b9bc3@udurusu>

Does anyone knows if Nakamichi is producing any MD Recorder?
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Tue Oct 24 04:31:06 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:31:06 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL for sale in E-bay
Message-ID: <65.b5e9035.27264e6a@aol.com>

Personally, I would pass.  There will be others, but I am very cautious of 
people who are not willing to share information regarding what they are 
selling.  Follow your instincts, and keep your Dragon.  If you wish to 
purchase another NAK, get a CR-7.  Take care!

-Sam
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From enoyes at snet.net  Tue Oct 24 04:54:10 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:54:10 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
References: <02b801c03c66$0b1f3820$7293bccf@sank1> <39F3AAD3.C9879103@snet.net> <002501c03cb8$04598ac0$42182c91@windesheim.nl>
Message-ID: <39F4F9D2.3E1F5CC3@snet.net>

That's a great idea... I've also found that silver polish works well with heads that
are really filthy to the point where just about nothing else will lift the corrosion
on them.

Cheers,
Ed

Norman van Wijnen wrote:

> Tip: You can clean the commutators using silverpolish with a Q-tip
>
> Greetings Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
>
> > I'd be honored to share this ancient Chinese secret... What you want to do
> is to first
> > remove the drive gear from the motor shaft. Then carefully pry back the
> two metal tabs
> > that hold the nylon motor back plate in place. Once this is done, you
> should slowly
> > push the motor shaft into the case while also guiding the nylon back plate
> away from
> > the case as well. The idea here is to remove the back plate and the motor
> internals
> > together so as to avoid bending and damaging the bushing assembly. since
> there is a
> > bit of magnetic pull involved, I use a very thin screw driver to guide the
> shaft
> > through the front bearing sleeve being very careful not to scratch the
> sleeve. Once
> > you have everything out of the case, take a good look at it. You'll notice
> the back of
> > the motor shaft is seated in the nylon back plate bearing and that the two
> lead wires
> > that connect to the motor in turn connect to two thin copper plates with
> carbon
> > bushings on the ends. These bushings rest against the motor commutator
> plates on the
> > shaft, which is what needs to be cleaned. Gently lift away the carbon
> bushings and
> > guide the nylon back plate off of the back of the motor shaft. Now, what
> has happened
> > over the years is that the carbon from the bushings has gathered on the
> commutator
> > plates and caused the motor to fail. What you want to do is to saturate a
> Q-tip with
> > good quality component cleaner/lubricant and literally scrub away the
> carbon from the
> > plates on the motor shaft that the carbon bushings were resting on. You
> should see
> > that the Q-tip becomes quite black as you clean the commutators...
> continue to do so
> > until the finish is very shiny and you stop bringing up more black... may
> take a few
> > Q-tips to really do the job. While it is not really mandatory, I like to
> put a drop of
> > fine motor bearing oil in the nylon bearing that the back of the shaft
> rests in. Then
> > re-assemble the back the same way you took it apart, carefully placing the
> carbon
> > bushings on the shaft again... don't be to afraid to flex the copper
> bushing arms a
> > little... you don't want to bend them, but you will need to flex them
> around a little
> > to get them over the various nylon washers that are also on the shaft.
> Once the back
> > is re-assembled, ease the whole thing into the case the same way you eased
> it out. The
> > internal magnets will want to pull the motor assembly in with a bit of
> force so I
> > again use a tiny screwdriver placed through the front of the motor case to
> prevent the
> > possibility of the motor assembly pulling in too fast and possibly pulling
> away from
> > the back plate. Once it's together, align the metal tabs on the back of
> the case with
> > the slots on the nylon back plate and push them in securely to hold the
> motor
> > together. I then grasp the case firmly and wiggle the end of the shaft in
> all
> > directions and spin it a bit to make sure everything is moving freely. I
> also place
> > another drop of motor bearing oil on the shaft and let that penetrate the
> bearing
> > assembly as an extra measure. Put the gear assembly back on the shaft,
> re-install the
> > motor and take great pride in bringing your Nakamichi back to life all by
> yourself!
> >
> > BTW, this same approach has also proven highly successful for me with the
> old
> > Nakamichi 500/600 motors with virtually the exact same procedure... I've
> had 100%
> > success with three totally dead motors so far!
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > Ed
> >
> >
> > Stephen Sank wrote:
> >
> > > A tiny flat blade screwdriver, a few wood-handled Q-tips & some silicone
> > > lubricant spray(electronic grade, i.e., non-conductive).
> > > I think it would be best if Ed Noyes describes the procedure to you, as
> I
> > > have a hard time communicating such things so that a normal person can
> > > understand what I am describing.  You awake, Ed?
> > >
> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 11:33 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> > >
> > > >Hi guys,
> > > >
> > > >What can I use to clean the motor with?
> > > >
> > > >Jannis
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
> > > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:35 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> I just pulled one apart the other day and it's a piece of cake to
> > > clean...
> > > >in fact,
> > > >> the toughest part is getting the bloody thing apart from the
> transport
> > > >mechanism as it
> > > >> is fairly well nestled in there.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ed
> > > >>
> > > >> Stephen Sank wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I think you will find that your mechanism mode control drive
> motor("cam
> > > >> > motor") is developing excessive carbon deposits on it's rotor
> > > >commutator.
> > > >> > Either replace the motor, CA80007A, or just take it apart & clean
> it.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > > >> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > > >> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > > >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: Jannis <jannissu at worldonline.nl>
> > > >> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > >> > Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:33 AM
> > > >> > Subject: [naktalk] CR_4 Probs/Stephen
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hi Stephen
> > > >> >
> > > >> > About 4 week ago I bought a CR-4 which looks and sounds great.
> > > >> > The only problem (I thought) is that it is tuned for BASF tapes.
> This
> > > >> > necessitates bias adjustment for taping on Maxell tapes.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The serious problem however begun last week when, after turning the
> > > deck
> > > >on,
> > > >> > I noticed that sometimes it does not react when I press  the "play"
> or
> > > >the
> > > >> > "fast forward" or the "Rew" button. In addition (and this happened
> only
> > > >once
> > > >> > so far) only the left reel started turning and as a result the tape
> got
> > > >> > rather tangled.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I wonder whether you can tell me what is wrong with the thing.
> > > >> > Could it be that I used a RM-200 remote control instead of the RM-5
> > > >which
> > > >> > (according to the specifications) is the one required for this
> deck?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > With friendly regards,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Jannis Soulantikas
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Oct 24 05:33:47 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:33:47 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Yet Another Dragon....
Message-ID: <BPMOAFKDEHHCMAAA@angelfire.com>

I sent the email below on Saturday, and perhaps it never made NakTalk primetime due to the server rollover in the Nether-Netherlands.  So, for common interest and enjoyment (since most of us will never possess such a digital wonder), here it is once again......

Blues

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Message forwarded from Oct 21:

A fire-breathing digital Nak Dragon!  Perusing ebay last night, and behold, a glimpse of the elusive Dragon CD player, which appears to be offered from a NYC/USA commercial audio seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=473206168

Looks like something very special.  Does anyone have personal knowledge, brochure, specs or critical review info?  

Blues

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From enoyes at snet.net  Tue Oct 24 06:30:32 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:30:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Kudos to Jeff Galin!
References: <BPMOAFKDEHHCMAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <39F51064.DDE4BEBF@snet.net>

Since there's been a bit of talk about motor rebuilds, I just have to throw a big public thanks to Jeff Galin at ESL for spending a good bit of time on the phone providing me with all the info I needed to bring my vintage Nak motors back to life. He took the
initiative to email me suggesting a rebuild attempt, and while he could have charged a $70 fee to do the job himself, he expressed a confidence in my ability to do it myself and save the money... and then answered all my questions on the details of the job.

I spoke at some length about the flames he got a while back for what seemed like very high prices and certainly got a sense that one does get what they are paying for when they choose to have their decks serviced by him. When you ask for a complete overhaul on a
vintage deck, a complete motor rebuild times three motors is only a small part of the work performed. Head removal and relapping (which he has facilities for on the premises) and vast amounts of full rebuilding may also be common components of such a job and while
the individual costs are reasonable, the end price may well be quite substantial. While there is much to be said for the adage that if it ain't broke don't fix it, one could also argue that if it ain't broke, make sure it stays that way too! His work is thorough
and comprehensive and he's also a really nice guy.

More importantly, I am grateful to be a part of a community that is so free with the valuable knowledge that people like Jeff Galin and my good friend Stephen Sank have to offer. Both of them have been invaluable in keeping my collection of Naks in good working
order while also keeping some money in the bank account!

Cheers,
Ed

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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Oct 24 15:30:25 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:30:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL for sale in E-bay
References: <65.b5e9035.27264e6a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39F58EF0.E061100E@concentric.net>

Sam,

It's difficult to say who you are responding to.
It's a good idea to quote the original. Maybe not
all the long series of quotes from day one, but
at least, the last one.

The 1000ZXL seller finally did get back to me,
to tell me the information I asked for was not
available. In general, he thought it was one of
the first 1000ZXL to come out (placing date of
manufacture in 1979-1980). FWIW, he said the
deck was in great condition and had been well
cared for. He wasn't sure the owner's manual was
included.

I didn't feel like paying top dollar (it was
already at $1200 at that point) for it. I *would*
pay as much for a younger (say, 1984) 1000ZXL
that came with original box, manual and maybe
remote.

BTW, I notice that, in general, Nakamichi decks
up for sale, are in good condition. I suspect
the people that bought them originally, as a
group, care about their hobby and tend to take
good care of their toys.

Meanwhile, I have a CR-7 that works beautifully,
with a sound to match. I will somehow muddle
through and survive until I find 'my' 1000ZXL.
All good things come to those that wait...

-- Ron


SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Personally, I would pass.  There will be others, but I am very cautious of
> people who are not willing to share information regarding what they are
> selling.  Follow your instincts, and keep your Dragon.  If you wish to
> purchase another NAK, get a CR-7.  Take care!
> 
> -Sam
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Oct 24 16:24:41 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:24:41 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
In-Reply-To: <39F58EF0.E061100E@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001024162441.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hello everybody,

I just got a reasonably priced BX-150E via E-bay. It showed first
Idler-Problems I got rid of by cleaning and abrasive paper on the idler.

But it seems to be biased for some IEC-II tape which has no highs at all.
Recording on Maxell XL-II is way to much highs. 

I tried to locate the potentiometer for bias and found 6 very likely ones.
Three setting (normal, Chrome, Metal) and playback(?) level and bias. But
which one is the right for the bias? 

And how would I best go for adjusting? 

Right now if I play a recording from my RX-505 it sounds quite ok, even with
Dolby C. So the playback(?) level seems to be ok (does that play a role in
playback?). Would it be ok to just change the bias until it fits the Maxell
XL-II tape? Or would I have to change the level as well? 

I don't have any of these prerecorded adjustment tapes, and would like to
avoid bying them -- at least the really expensive ones. The RX-505 seems to be
quite ok (at least nobody complained about some recordings for naktree even
with Dolby) though it's not serviced for some years now. Colud I do a "norm"
recording on that one? Like a zero dB  recording on the RX and try it on the
BX? 

And I found a BX1 service manual on the ftp-area. Would that be similar
enough to the BX-150E to locate the bias poti? 


Thanks a lot!


K.-H.


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Oct 24 17:26:15 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:26:15 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
Message-ID: <077701c03dce$c05dbd60$7293bccf@sank1>

The six pots that DON'T surround a 4066 switching chip are the bias pots.
Counter-clockwise increases bias.  The ones around the 4066 chip are rec
level calibration.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:08 AM
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E bias adjustment?


>Hello everybody,
>
>I just got a reasonably priced BX-150E via E-bay. It showed first
>Idler-Problems I got rid of by cleaning and abrasive paper on the idler.
>
>But it seems to be biased for some IEC-II tape which has no highs at all.
>Recording on Maxell XL-II is way to much highs.
>
>I tried to locate the potentiometer for bias and found 6 very likely ones.
>Three setting (normal, Chrome, Metal) and playback(?) level and bias. But
>which one is the right for the bias?
>
>And how would I best go for adjusting?
>
>Right now if I play a recording from my RX-505 it sounds quite ok, even
with
>Dolby C. So the playback(?) level seems to be ok (does that play a role in
>playback?). Would it be ok to just change the bias until it fits the Maxell
>XL-II tape? Or would I have to change the level as well?
>
>I don't have any of these prerecorded adjustment tapes, and would like to
>avoid bying them -- at least the really expensive ones. The RX-505 seems to
be
>quite ok (at least nobody complained about some recordings for naktree even
>with Dolby) though it's not serviced for some years now. Colud I do a
"norm"
>recording on that one? Like a zero dB  recording on the RX and try it on
the
>BX?
>
>And I found a BX1 service manual on the ftp-area. Would that be similar
>enough to the BX-150E to locate the bias poti?
>
>
>Thanks a lot!
>
>
>K.-H.
>
>
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Oct 24 18:04:26 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:04:26 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
In-Reply-To: <077701c03dce$c05dbd60$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001024180426.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 24-Oct-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
> The six pots that DON'T surround a 4066 switching chip are the bias pots.
> Counter-clockwise increases bias.  The ones around the 4066 chip are rec
> level calibration.

Thanks -- I'll go looking. But why six? Shouldn't it be three bias, three
level? What am I missing?

K.-H.

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Oct 24 19:06:51 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:06:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
References: <XFMail.001024162441.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <00b801c03ddc$cf60c920$0100007f@localhost>

Hi,

> I tried to locate the potentiometer for bias and found 6 very likely ones.
> Three setting (normal, Chrome, Metal) and playback(?) level and bias. But
> which one is the right for the bias?

There is 6 pots on a smal board with all eq. switches. You can find it
on a right side of a deck. This PCB stays vertically. So there is six pots,
those with the numbers starts from 1 i.e. 101, 102, 103 (or similar)
going for left channel and strating from 2 going for the right channel.
The middle ones going for Type 2. So carefuly rotating them (mark the
original position) you will increase or decrease bias. It's possible to
adjust
bias even without any jigs but results will be likely out of factory specs.

> And how would I best go for adjusting?

You will find all neccesary info looking on BX-1 service manual.

> And I found a BX1 service manual on the ftp-area. Would that be similar
> enough to the BX-150E to locate the bias poti?

They are very close but different. But adjustment technology is the same.
I do not remember location of BX-1 bias pots but thinks that it's different
from BX-150. But you will find them exactly on a place where I told you :)

If you will have any questions - I'll be glad to help you.
I had all BX-es except 300.

Misha
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Oct 24 20:46:13 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:46:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
References: <XFMail.001024180426.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <00fd01c03dea$b1881120$0100007f@localhost>


> Thanks -- I'll go looking. But why six? Shouldn't it be three bias, three
> level? What am I missing?

One of the great Nak's advatages - you can adjust everything separately 
for each channel. It's impossible with the other brands.

Misha
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Oct 24 20:26:29 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:26:29 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
Message-ID: <07af01c03de7$ee47da80$7293bccf@sank1>

Left & right for each tape type, Karl!  3 x 2 = 6

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-150E bias adjustment?


>
>On 24-Oct-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
>> The six pots that DON'T surround a 4066 switching chip are the bias pots.
>> Counter-clockwise increases bias.  The ones around the 4066 chip are rec
>> level calibration.
>
>Thanks -- I'll go looking. But why six? Shouldn't it be three bias, three
>level? What am I missing?
>
>K.-H.
>
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Oct 24 20:48:21 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:48:21 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c03dea$b1881120$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001024204821.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 24-Oct-00 MVM wrote:
> One of the great Nak's advatages - you can adjust everything separately 
> for each channel. It's impossible with the other brands.

Doh! channels! of course! we are in the stereo age after all :-/

K.-H.

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Oct 24 20:54:11 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:54:11 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
In-Reply-To: <00b801c03ddc$cf60c920$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001024205411.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 24-Oct-00 MVM wrote:
> There is 6 pots on a smal board with all eq. switches. You can find it
> on a right side of a deck. This PCB stays vertically. So there is six pots,
> [...]

I remember the vertical board -- I think that already helps a lot, thanks!



>> And how would I best go for adjusting?
> 
> You will find all neccesary info looking on BX-1 service manual.

So I'll grab/print that and take it home.

> If you will have any questions - I'll be glad to help you.
> I had all BX-es except 300.

Thanks for that offer. I'll see when I will have time to take it apart again.
Would you recommend test tones? I was thinking about adjusting like I do now
with the RX505 (which has Bias on the front): By ear (watching the high
end) while recording music.

Of course that will be much more hassle with only two heads, but I should be
able to get it much closer to the Maxell tape setting as it is now.


I try these days -- but maybe not before the weekend (will be away to some
big board game event).


K.-H.


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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Oct 24 20:57:21 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:57:21 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] 2 head <-> 3 head ?
Message-ID: <XFMail.001024205721.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi again,

since I have now a 2 head (BX-150) and a 3-head (RX-505):
where is the discrete 3 head more important? In playback or recording? 

So (once I got the record bias set) would it be better to use the BX for
playback or for recording with tape to tape copies? 

K.-H.



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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Oct 24 22:38:58 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:38:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 2 head <-> 3 head ?
References: <XFMail.001024205721.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <018b01c03dfa$70be1e40$0100007f@localhost>


> So (once I got the record bias set) would it be better to use the BX for
> playback or for recording with tape to tape copies? 

IMHO BX-150 will better for playback and 3-head deck (505 in your case)
for recording.

Misha
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Oct 24 23:13:03 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:13:03 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 2 head <-> 3 head ?
References: <XFMail.001024205721.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <002d01c03dff$7a43ea80$e72f2ac4@coqui.net>

Recording. With a 3 head design you can monitor the tape itself and what is
going on with the recording. You can switch between source and tape.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 2:57 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 2 head <-> 3 head ?


> Hi again,
>
> since I have now a 2 head (BX-150) and a 3-head (RX-505):
> where is the discrete 3 head more important? In playback or recording?
>
> So (once I got the record bias set) would it be better to use the BX for
> playback or for recording with tape to tape copies?
>
> K.-H.
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Oct 24 23:22:55 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:22:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Kudos to Jeff Galin!
References: <BPMOAFKDEHHCMAAA@angelfire.com> <39F51064.DDE4BEBF@snet.net>
Message-ID: <004901c03e00$93b66460$e72f2ac4@coqui.net>

AMEN ! Good Ed !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:30 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Kudos to Jeff Galin!


> Since there's been a bit of talk about motor rebuilds, I just have to
throw a big public thanks to Jeff Galin at ESL for spending a good bit of
time on the phone providing me with all the info I needed to bring my
vintage Nak motors back to life...

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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au  Tue Oct 24 23:48:11 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:48:11 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z recording problem.
Message-ID: <200010242148.IAA13894@mail.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi all in naktalk land!

	I have a question, I've recently purchased a 482Z (really cheap) and
noticed that it cannot record - no erase & no record signal. It plays
back ok. It does not matter what tape type I'm using or whether I'm
using Dolby or not it still does not record. Any Ideas?

	Special hello to Mr Sank, If you are reading this please give me your
opinion.

	Thank you all in advance and have a great day/night.

	Regards

Thomas Siomopoulos


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Oct 25 00:44:16 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:44:16 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z recording problem.
Message-ID: <080601c03e0b$f11c4ce0$7293bccf@sank1>

Two little orange capacitors next to erase oscillator transformer marked
"472".  Replace them with 0.0047uf/100v polyester film capacitors.  Usually
nothing else is damaged when that failure occurs.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au>
To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 4:09 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z recording problem.


>Hi all in naktalk land!
>
> I have a question, I've recently purchased a 482Z (really cheap) and
>noticed that it cannot record - no erase & no record signal. It plays
>back ok. It does not matter what tape type I'm using or whether I'm
>using Dolby or not it still does not record. Any Ideas?
>
> Special hello to Mr Sank, If you are reading this please give me your
>opinion.
>
> Thank you all in advance and have a great day/night.
>
> Regards
>
>Thomas Siomopoulos
>
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Wed Oct 25 01:35:32 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:35:32 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
References: <XFMail.001024205411.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <03e601c03e13$1a227360$9e3cbbd4@ravenna>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> Would you recommend test tones? I was thinking about adjusting like I
do now
> with the RX505 (which has Bias on the front): By ear (watching the
high
> end) while recording music.

And what about when you are over 40 years and hear 14 Kc at -30 dB?
Children has a flat response over 17 Kc, I'm afraid.
Tuning a deck is choosing the right HF bias for That type of tapebrand
you mostly use.
Get de service manual and do it so, otherwise the deck makes 1.
incompatible tapes with other brands
2. too much distortion 3. faulty Dolby level niveau 4. No flat freq.
response
De difference for biassing tapes is very small, some types needs +3dB
after max, other 4 or 5 dB.
So you'll need some equipment too.
But a rather cheapo BX-150 don't deserve the highest care from his owner
I suppose.


Maurits


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From DJBrown96 at aol.com  Wed Oct 25 01:47:03 2000
From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:47:03 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Estimated Date of Manufacture
Message-ID: <7e.bf83d4f.27277977@aol.com>

Carlos,Stephen,Jeff, Anyone?
Does anyone out there, have any idea, on how you can tell the date of 
manufacture of our beloved Naks? Thanks, Dennis
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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Oct 25 04:56:41 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:56:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 2 head <-> 3 head ?
References: <XFMail.001024205721.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <39F64BE9.E77C286B@concentric.net>

Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:
> 
> Hi again,
> 
> since I have now a 2 head (BX-150) and a 3-head (RX-505):
> where is the discrete 3 head more important? In playback or recording?

Both. For PB, narrow head gap is better. For recording,
wider head gap is better. Two head recorders are a
compromise. In a three head machine, each function gets
the optimal gap.

In addition, 3 heads allow for off the tape monitoring
when the additional electronics are provided.
 
> So (once I got the record bias set) would it be better to use the BX for
> playback or for recording with tape to tape copies?

Seems to me, when copying, the deck that sounds better
in PB should be used for PB and the other for recording.

-- Ron


> K.-H.
> 
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Oct 25 06:23:31 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:53:31 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX-150E  bias adjustment?
Message-ID: <005e01c03e3b$555e2640$42d60192@vsnl>

Yes BX1 service manual is quite useful however Bx150 is a better machine and
the PCB is differentas well as circuits. However you will find regular
printed markings on PCB - like "level" and " bias" next to the pots. also
you will find ex/sx/zx marked next to them and as well L/ R . It is very
easy to identify them. You can use test CD with 10KHz/16 Hz /400 Hz tone
will be quite useful to first check whether recording at - 20 DB mark on
meters produce decent -20 Db playback at these frequencies. Otherwise you
will not be very successful in calibrating these. Generally level pots need
not be touched - in my experience with atleast 8 Naks - with good use.
So try your luck
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-150E bias adjustment?


>
>On 24-Oct-00 MVM wrote:
>> There is 6 pots on a smal board with all eq. switches. You can find it
>> on a right side of a deck. This PCB stays vertically. So there is six
pots,
>> [...]
>
>I remember the vertical board -- I think that already helps a lot, thanks!
>
>
>
>>> And how would I best go for adjusting?
>>
>> You will find all neccesary info looking on BX-1 service manual.
>
>So I'll grab/print that and take it home.
>
>> If you will have any questions - I'll be glad to help you.
>> I had all BX-es except 300.
>
>Thanks for that offer. I'll see when I will have time to take it apart
again.
>Would you recommend test tones? I was thinking about adjusting like I do
now
>with the RX505 (which has Bias on the front): By ear (watching the high
>end) while recording music.
>
>Of course that will be much more hassle with only two heads, but I should
be
>able to get it much closer to the Maxell tape setting as it is now.
>
>
>I try these days -- but maybe not before the weekend (will be away to some
>big board game event).
>
>
>K.-H.
>
>
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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au  Wed Oct 25 07:00:33 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:00:33 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z recording problem.
In-Reply-To: <080601c03e0b$f11c4ce0$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <200010250501.QAA11933@mail.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi again....

	Thank you once again Mr Sank. I forgot to mention that when you try to
record the record lamp goes on and you can only hear the playback of the
previously recorded material, the tape deck does not even attempt to
place any form of signal on the tape. It's as if the unit only knows how
to play only and not record.

	I'll try replacing the caps and see if this resolves the problem.

	Many thanks again..

	Regards Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Stephen Sank
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2000 9:44
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z recording problem.


Two little orange capacitors next to erase oscillator transformer marked
"472".  Replace them with 0.0047uf/100v polyester film capacitors.
Usually
nothing else is damaged when that failure occurs.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
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Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au>
To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 4:09 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z recording problem.


>Hi all in naktalk land!
>
> I have a question, I've recently purchased a 482Z (really cheap) and
>noticed that it cannot record - no erase & no record signal. It plays
>back ok. It does not matter what tape type I'm using or whether I'm
>using Dolby or not it still does not record. Any Ideas?
>
> Special hello to Mr Sank, If you are reading this please give me your
>opinion.
>
> Thank you all in advance and have a great day/night.
>
> Regards
>
>Thomas Siomopoulos
>
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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Wed Oct 25 21:35:39 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:35:39 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Server status
In-Reply-To: <39F3312F.B619B09B@xs4all.nl>
References: <000201c03b53$3d93e1c0$8c23883e@a4s1s2>
 <39F3312F.B619B09B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <a05001900b61ce6070ae9@[142.58.46.77]>

>No, not just me... Mainly my collegues who were working very hard to 
>get the network up
>and giving me and a collegue the honour to put our (private) servers 
>in the new
>building before all the others!! For them it was just a good 'test case'!
>
>After a week or 2 the site will also be faster due to a better network
>performance....and all of this for free!
>
>Wouter
>

Wouter ...

Your colleagues and yourself ...

are the Best !!!

Desmond
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct 25 23:58:05 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:58:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi CR 7 E  Item #470205269
In-Reply-To: <39F64504.FEC9984D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c03ece$a6e3b5a0$2333883e@a4s1s2>

Guys

You might like to take a look at this, esp. anyone in Europe looking for a
CR7.  This is currently at DM1200, which is equivalent to circa $512, but
there's about 10 hours to go and there is one bidder registered ....

What's it like?  Here's a copy of the e-mail I got from the current owner:

Hello graham,

the CR 7 E is in verry mint condition i buy it two years ago and in this
time
there was no service on the tape.

I use the tape only private there are no scratches the heads are in verry
good
condition.

The tape is ca 8 years old and looks like a new one.

There is only one problem the rewind function works verry slow when the tape
don´t used any time but when you use the tape often there is no problem.

Please excuse my bad englisch i hope you understand what i mean.

MfG

Carsten Wonnenberg

I'm sharing this knowledge with you all because my budget won't stretch that
far, good as the price is .... at the moment!!!

: ¬ )


Graham


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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Thu Oct 26 03:09:21 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:09:21 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
Message-ID: <002801c03ee9$6028c2c0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2>

Hey guys,

A 700ZXL for auction on E-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=478888455

Here's the description from the seller.

  The Nakamichi 700ZXL is the most sophisticated and elegant tape deck ever built, peiod. The brushed stainless steel face and gold plated RCA jacks truly illustrate that this deck is form and fuction at its best. This deck has three heads,auto calibration called (A.B.L.E.) which includes azimuth head alignment, R.A.M.M. (ability to program specific tracks, like you have on a CD player),pitch control,subsonic filter,MPX filter,test tone, and three mic inputs (left, center, and right). I have had this deck for over 15 years and find it hard to part with but I recently aquired the 1000 Limited and do not have room for both. This deck outperforms the Dragon and the original 1000ZXL. factory specs were 18 to 24k +/- 3db (metal tape), review lab tests showed 20 to 26k +/- 3db (metal tape) my deck was tested at 0db with flat response to 21k. The deck comes with its original box and packing, owners manual, NR-100 dolby C unit, RM-200 remote, service records and a color photocopy of the sales brochure. The condition of the unit is VERY good and all fuctions work. There is a small ding on the right front corner(see photo), a small scratch on the top left of the cabinet, a small scratch on the far left edge of the face, and some scratches on the right side(see photo). The unit had all its belts and both capstan rollers replaced at its most recent service on 12/28/1999 by an authorized Nakamichi service center (Fast Track) The bulb behind the Dolby B icon is burnt out. If you have any questions my name is scott and please call me at 612-386-4622. 
Good hunting guys!
Adam
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From 75541.100 at compuserve.com  Thu Oct 26 06:51:52 2000
From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (FUAD M. TOKAD)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:51:52 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #454
Message-ID: <200010260052_MC2-B86C-16E@compuserve.com>

Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com
>------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:09:21 +0800
From: "Adam Yousuf" <adamyh at netvigator.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction


A 700ZXL for auction on E-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D478888455

... The bulb behind the Dolby B icon is burnt out. 
<

FYI, RadioShack (USA) has a micro-lamp #7219 (part number 272-1092C?) 
which
is a perfect replacement for most of the 700 ZXE/L  indicator bulbs.
_FT
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Oct 26 09:38:50 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:08:50 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
Message-ID: <001201c03f1f$ca3b64c0$42d60192@vsnl>

I found this 21 Khz response at 0 DB - generally not possible with cassette tape without Dolby - bit unbelievable ? Anybody particularly Stephen do you think it is possible? even on 1000 ZXL?
- 10 Db on the nak meters which may be less based on IEC 0 DB - possible to get 20KHz response; so I believe it might be on the NAK meters 0 DB it may be 21 KHz.
Kannan
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Adam Yousuf <adamyh at netvigator.com>
    To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
    Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 7:36 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
    
    
    Hey guys,
     
    A 700ZXL for auction on E-bay.
     
    http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=478888455
     
    Here's the description from the seller.
     
        The Nakamichi 700ZXL is the most sophisticated and elegant tape deck ever built, peiod. 
         I have had this deck for over 15 years and find it hard to part with but I recently aquired the 1000 Limited and do not have room for both. This deck outperforms the Dragon and the original 1000ZXL. factory specs were 18 to 24k +/- 3db (metal tape), review lab tests showed 20 to 26k +/- 3db (metal tape) my deck was tested at 0db with flat response to 21k. 
    Adam
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 26 10:27:51 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:27:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <001201c03f1f$ca3b64c0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <003f01c03f26$a3590040$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Kannan,

This will be possible only using Dolby C which has antisaturation circuit.
Without Dolby C tape will be simply saturated according to SOL level of
each particular tape.

Misha

PS: Is there any way to scan your CR-4 service manual and download
it to Naks FTP site? Just curious :)


>I found this 21 Khz response at 0 DB - generally not possible with cassette
tape without Dolby - bit unbelievable ? Anybody >particularly Stephen do you
think it is possible? even on 1000 ZXL?
>- 10 Db on the nak meters which may be less based on IEC 0 DB - possible to
get 20KHz response; so I believe it might be on the >NAK meters 0 DB it may
be 21 KHz.
>Kannan
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Oct 26 16:16:32 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:16:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <002801c03ee9$6028c2c0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2>
Message-ID: <000b01c03f57$58c31b20$b8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

I would take it off his hands for say $300 :-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adam Yousuf 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:09 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction


  Hey guys,

  A 700ZXL for auction on E-bay.

  http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=478888455

  Here's the description from the seller.

    The Nakamichi 700ZXL is the most sophisticated and elegant tape deck ever built, peiod. The brushed stainless steel face and gold plated RCA jacks truly illustrate that this deck is form and fuction at its best. This deck has three heads,auto calibration called (A.B.L.E.) which includes azimuth head alignment, R.A.M.M. (ability to program specific tracks, like you have on a CD player),pitch control,subsonic filter,MPX filter,test tone, and three mic inputs (left, center, and right). I have had this deck for over 15 years and find it hard to part with but I recently aquired the 1000 Limited and do not have room for both. This deck outperforms the Dragon and the original 1000ZXL. factory specs were 18 to 24k +/- 3db (metal tape), review lab tests showed 20 to 26k +/- 3db (metal tape) my deck was tested at 0db with flat response to 21k. The deck comes with its original box and packing, owners manual, NR-100 dolby C unit, RM-200 remote, service records and a color photocopy of the sales brochure. The condition of the unit is VERY good and all fuctions work. There is a small ding on the right front corner(see photo), a small scratch on the top left of the cabinet, a small scratch on the far left edge of the face, and some scratches on the right side(see photo). The unit had all its belts and both capstan rollers replaced at its most recent service on 12/28/1999 by an authorized Nakamichi service center (Fast Track) The bulb behind the Dolby B icon is burnt out. If you have any questions my name is scott and please call me at 612-386-4622. 
  Good hunting guys!
  Adam
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 26 17:49:46 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:49:46 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <002801c03ee9$6028c2c0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2> <000b01c03f57$58c31b20$b8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>
Message-ID: <003801c03f64$5ecdd0c0$0100007f@localhost>

From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>

>I would take it off his hands for say $300 :-)

Hey! I'll take five pieces for $300 each :)

Misha
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Thu Oct 26 17:55:57 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:55:57 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
Message-ID: <ad.25705b6.2729ae0d@aol.com>

The deck was using the Dolby C NR-100 when it was tested at 0db. 
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From marc at stager.com  Thu Oct 26 18:59:36 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:59:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Kudos to Jeff Galin!
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001026123544.02da73e0@mail.flashcom.net>

Ditto on those kudos!

I want to publicly thank Jeff Galin for sending me a replacement
Nakamichi 582 meter at no charge for one I damaged while trying
to set the pointer to exact zero.

The deck is working like a dream. The sound is magnificent,
particularly with Sony Metal ES tape which I recently received
from Japan, the only place it is available and even there it
is very hard to get. I've hit it with wide band music, including
symphonic and jazz recordings, both analog and digital, and I
get back exactly what I put in, even with the meters bouncing
off the wall.

This is as good a performance as I could expect from any machine,
and is the equal of my Tandberg TD20 at 7.5 IPS. With Dolby B
(C is not an option on the 582) the cassettes are even quieter.
It even gives my Ampex 351 with Lang pre's running 15 IPS with
BASF mastering tape serious competition, but only with Metal ES
tape. Amazing stuff.

Thanks for that meter, Jeff. You helped me save a wonderful
machine - which I got through eBay for an incredible $150!

The MR-1 is next to get set-up for Metal ES. I expect no less.

_________________________________ Marc Stager








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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 26 20:07:16 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:07:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-202 Parts
References: <5f.bef0a02.2720115e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c03f77$9409c420$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Robert,

Any news about RX-202? At least couple heads?

Misha
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Oct 26 19:48:55 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:48:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Kudos to Jeff Galin!
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001026123544.02da73e0@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <012201c03f75$0320ab10$b8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Go Jeff!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Stager" <marc at stager.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:59 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Kudos to Jeff Galin!


> Ditto on those kudos!
>
> I want to publicly thank Jeff Galin for sending me a replacement
> Nakamichi 582 meter at no charge for one I damaged while trying
> to set the pointer to exact zero.
>
> The deck is working like a dream. The sound is magnificent,
> particularly with Sony Metal ES tape which I recently received
> from Japan, the only place it is available and even there it
> is very hard to get. I've hit it with wide band music, including
> symphonic and jazz recordings, both analog and digital, and I
> get back exactly what I put in, even with the meters bouncing
> off the wall.
>
> This is as good a performance as I could expect from any machine,
> and is the equal of my Tandberg TD20 at 7.5 IPS. With Dolby B
> (C is not an option on the 582) the cassettes are even quieter.
> It even gives my Ampex 351 with Lang pre's running 15 IPS with
> BASF mastering tape serious competition, but only with Metal ES
> tape. Amazing stuff.
>
> Thanks for that meter, Jeff. You helped me save a wonderful
> machine - which I got through eBay for an incredible $150!
>
> The MR-1 is next to get set-up for Metal ES. I expect no less.
>
> _________________________________ Marc Stager
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 26 20:52:45 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:52:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 question
Message-ID: <LAW-OE389DLf4bg5Xml000006f6@hotmail.com>

Hey Nakfans !

I had the opportunity to buy a "dead" ZX-7 to grow my collection... (of
living ones...)

I want to know what kind of design is used in its PB amp' i.e, does the
playback head input is fet direct coupled or capacitor coupled to bipolar
transistor ?

Thanks !!!

Matyas

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 26 20:53:40 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:53:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] I have loose the messages...
Message-ID: <LAW-OE35niSnRMWuLn5000006da@hotmail.com>

I have loose the messages from 16. 10. 2000 to 26. 10. 2000 just by now,

Can anyone send me them ?

analogue regards,
Matyas

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From tapes at pls-inc.com  Thu Oct 26 23:38:36 2000
From: tapes at pls-inc.com (J W Norris)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:38:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Advent 201 [was Opinions, please, on new name in consideration]
References: <200010190025.CAA12270@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c03f98$a1372ae0$0501a8c0@jw>

I believe that the proper sequence would be sledgehammer, axe, shotgun,  &
flame thrower.

J W Norris
700ZXE

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 27 01:16:38 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:16:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 question
References: <LAW-OE389DLf4bg5Xml000006f6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c03fa2$cbf5a860$0100007f@localhost>

Hey, I'm not sure what do ypy mean "dead" but ZX-7 is on of the
most wanted decks! And for sure it should be resurected!

Misha

> I had the opportunity to buy a "dead" ZX-7 to grow my collection... (of
> living ones...)
>
> I want to know what kind of design is used in its PB amp' i.e, does the
> playback head input is fet direct coupled or capacitor coupled to bipolar
> transistor ?
>
> Thanks !!!
>
> Matyas
>
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Fri Oct 27 00:23:24 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:23:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] I have loose the messages...
References: <LAW-OE35niSnRMWuLn5000006da@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <013a01c03f9b$61b4e620$488c55c3@asuscubx>

Hello Matyas

The messages are coming

greatings Norman
----- Original Message -----
From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: [naktalk] I have loose the messages...


> I have loose the messages from 16. 10. 2000 to 26. 10. 2000 just by now,
>
> Can anyone send me them ?
>
> analogue regards,
> Matyas
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Fri Oct 27 00:25:57 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:25:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 question
References: <LAW-OE389DLf4bg5Xml000006f6@hotmail.com> <000f01c03fa2$cbf5a860$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <014301c03f9b$b6db9ae0$488c55c3@asuscubx>

Hello Matyas

Do you  also have a service manual from the zx7?
I also have a Nak ZX7 in very good condition but without a service manual,
so i thought........

Greetings Norman
----- Original Message -----
From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 question


> Hey, I'm not sure what do ypy mean "dead" but ZX-7 is on of the
> most wanted decks! And for sure it should be resurected!
>
> Misha
>
> > I had the opportunity to buy a "dead" ZX-7 to grow my collection... (of
> > living ones...)
> >
> > I want to know what kind of design is used in its PB amp' i.e, does the
> > playback head input is fet direct coupled or capacitor coupled to
bipolar
> > transistor ?
> >
> > Thanks !!!
> >
> > Matyas
> >
> >
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From enoyes at snet.net  Fri Oct 27 03:52:47 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:52:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <001201c03f1f$ca3b64c0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <39F8DFEE.14D097EA@snet.net>

I think the seller makes no mention of Dolby on or off with this claim.
Without Dolby, the 1000ZXL may hold out to about 15K before really
rolling off hard. With Dolby C however, this figure is certainly
attainable.

Ed

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> I found this 21 Khz response at 0 DB - generally not possible with
> cassette tape without Dolby - bit unbelievable ? Anybody particularly
> Stephen do you think it is possible? even on 1000 ZXL?- 10 Db on the
> nak meters which may be less based on IEC 0 DB - possible to get 20KHz
> response; so I believe it might be on the NAK meters 0 DB it may be 21
> KHz.Kannan
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: Adam Yousuf <adamyh at netvigator.com>
>      To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>      Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 7:36 AM
>      Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
>       Hey guys, A 700ZXL for auction on
>      E-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=478888455 Here's
>      the description from the seller.
>
>           The Nakamichi 700ZXL is the most sophisticated and
>           elegant tape deck ever built, peiod. I have had
>           this deck for over 15 years and find it hard to
>           part with but I recently aquired the 1000 Limited
>           and do not have room for both. This deck
>           outperforms the Dragon and the original 1000ZXL.
>           factory specs were 18 to 24k +/- 3db (metal tape),
>           review lab tests showed 20 to 26k +/- 3db (metal
>           tape) my deck was tested at 0db with flat response
>           to 21k.
>
>      Adam
>
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From enoyes at snet.net  Fri Oct 27 04:13:23 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:13:23 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Advent 201 [was Opinions, please, on new name in 
 consideration]
References: <200010190025.CAA12270@zebra.naks.com> <00a401c03f98$a1372ae0$0501a8c0@jw>
Message-ID: <39F8E4C2.5C75E600@snet.net>

You know, if I pitched the title as "Live the Fantasy and Buy That 201 You Always
Wanted to Smash", I bet I could do better on ebay than if I offered it in working
condition!

Ed

J W Norris wrote:

> I believe that the proper sequence would be sledgehammer, axe, shotgun,  &
> flame thrower.
>
> J W Norris
> 700ZXE
>
> BTW, note the lack of html code or redundant material quoted.
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct 27 06:21:14 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:21:14 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Advent 201 [was Opinions, please, on new name in consideration]
Message-ID: <02c101c03fcd$5a49b780$7393bccf@sank1>

You'd have me bidding on it, for sure.  Grrr.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Advent 201 [was Opinions, please, on new name in
consideration]


>You know, if I pitched the title as "Live the Fantasy and Buy That 201 You
Always
>Wanted to Smash", I bet I could do better on ebay than if I offered it in
working
>condition!
>
>Ed
>
>J W Norris wrote:
>
>> I believe that the proper sequence would be sledgehammer, axe, shotgun,
&
>> flame thrower.
>>
>> J W Norris
>> 700ZXE
>>
>> BTW, note the lack of html code or redundant material quoted.
>>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Oct 27 09:37:21 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:37:21 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] I found a talking dog!
Message-ID: <039101c03fe8$be925ec0$7393bccf@sank1>

Thank you to all of you who gave me feedback about the new name I am trying
out for my company, "Talking Dog Transducer Company".
I would like to ask for opinions again.
Quite by accident, I found a cool talking dog picture in an auction for a
1944 Gaines dog food ad on ebay.  So, I downloaded the scan & trimmed it to
what I needed.
If you wouldn't mind, please take a click over to my website & tell me what
you think.
Until I find a hat & sunglasses to fit my Nipper statue for a photo shoot
with a 44-BX or BK-11, I think this one is pretty cool, but I'd like other
opinions besides my own.  Thanks.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Oct 27 14:59:54 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:59:54 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <002801c03ee9$6028c2c0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2> <000b01c03f57$58c31b20$b8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>
Message-ID: <003001c04015$cd7a2940$712f2ac4@coqui.net>

If you buy a good condition 700 ZXL for that price you would be the luckiest guy on earth. That shit would easily goes over $1,000 at the end of the auction. Want to bet ?

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  I would take it off his hands for say $300 :-)

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 27 16:23:23 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:23:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <002801c03ee9$6028c2c0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2> <000b01c03f57$58c31b20$b8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <003001c04015$cd7a2940$712f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <015201c04021$7877f600$0100007f@localhost>

Carlos, you got a virus! Some worm in the body of your message!
Virus name: HTML.SecurityBreach.2
Everyone with Windows who read this message got it as well!

Misha

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Oct 27 15:31:06 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:31:06 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] I found a talking dog!
References: <039101c03fe8$be925ec0$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <009001c0401a$29201670$c2496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Can you lighten up the scan a little?

----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 3:37 AM
Subject: [naktalk] I found a talking dog!


> Thank you to all of you who gave me feedback about the new name I am
trying
> out for my company, "Talking Dog Transducer Company".
> I would like to ask for opinions again.
> Quite by accident, I found a cool talking dog picture in an auction for a
> 1944 Gaines dog food ad on ebay.  So, I downloaded the scan & trimmed it
to
> what I needed.
> If you wouldn't mind, please take a click over to my website & tell me
what
> you think.
> Until I find a hat & sunglasses to fit my Nipper statue for a photo shoot
> with a 44-BX or BK-11, I think this one is pretty cool, but I'd like other
> opinions besides my own.  Thanks.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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From brianm at grar.com  Fri Oct 27 15:34:15 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:34:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] WARNING: Virus in Carlos message
Message-ID: <005e01c0401a$9b0e31e0$0d021fac@brianm>

My Norton Virus Scan found a virus in the message from Carlos, do not open!!

The virsus detected is "WScript.KakWorm"

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Fri Oct 27 16:53:10 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:53:10 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <002801c03ee9$6028c2c0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2> <000b01c03f57$58c31b20$b8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <003001c04015$cd7a2940$712f2ac4@coqui.net> <015201c04021$7877f600$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <002901c04025$ae45ee00$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2>

Yeah, luckly Norton stopped mine..

Better scan your computer Carlos.. Here's a link that would help you.
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html

Good luck!
Adam


----- Original Message -----
From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction


> Carlos, you got a virus! Some worm in the body of your message!
> Virus name: HTML.SecurityBreach.2
> Everyone with Windows who read this message got it as well!
>
> Misha
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Fri Oct 27 17:17:19 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:17:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <002801c03ee9$6028c2c0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2> <000b01c03f57$58c31b20$b8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <003001c04015$cd7a2940$712f2ac4@coqui.net> <015201c04021$7877f600$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <39F99C7F.6E8CFC16@concentric.net>

MVM wrote:
> 
> Carlos, you got a virus! Some worm in the body of your message!
> Virus name: HTML.SecurityBreach.2
> Everyone with Windows who read this message got it as well!
> 
> Misha

Actually, Netscape users are immune... According to
Symantec web site, this virus uses a security hole
in I.E. and Outlook. A patch is available from MS.

After seeing the warnings, I downloaded the latest
virus definitions, then ran a scan -- nothing was
found. Netscape likes to crash every now and then,
so it's good to discover that it has some points,
too.

-- Ron
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Oct 27 17:26:53 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:26:53 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <002801c03ee9$6028c2c0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2> <000b01c03f57$58c31b20$b8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <003001c04015$cd7a2940$712f2ac4@coqui.net> <015201c04021$7877f600$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000b01c0402a$55cb3a00$b7496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

My machine would not allow/display his message.

----- Original Message -----
From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction


> Carlos, you got a virus! Some worm in the body of your message!
> Virus name: HTML.SecurityBreach.2
> Everyone with Windows who read this message got it as well!
>
> Misha
>
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Fri Oct 27 18:04:58 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:04:58 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
Message-ID: <15.af3c79a.272b01aa@aol.com>

I agree w/ u for sure Carlos. I'll bet it goes for 1200 bucks. I would 
consider myself really lucky. I bought mine from e-Bay for 700 dollars around 
the start of this year. I ended up putting my high bid at 1200 and was 
totally shocked when I got it for 700. It was pretty messed up though...lots 
of lamps out, out of adjustment, ect. Sent it over to Sank, and he did the 
magic. In addition to getting all functions working, I had Steven change the 
jacks, replace some wire, and a few other items were done. Ended up getting 
the whole package done for around 1000 bucks. I think I got a steal! The deck 
is really awesome.

California John.
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 27 18:26:20 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:26:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 question-Norman
References: <LAW-OE389DLf4bg5Xml000006f6@hotmail.com> <000f01c03fa2$cbf5a860$0100007f@localhost> <014301c03f9b$b6db9ae0$488c55c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE7XKGEJ0wckvJD00000a7b@hotmail.com>


Norman, if I ever got  it, I never will ask such a question ...
;o)
Matyas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 question


> Hello Matyas
>
> Do you  also have a service manual from the zx7?
> I also have a Nak ZX7 in very good condition but without a service manual,
> so i thought........
>
> Greetings Norman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 question
>
>
> > Hey, I'm not sure what do ypy mean "dead" but ZX-7 is on of the
> > most wanted decks! And for sure it should be resurected!
> >
> > Misha
> >
> > > I had the opportunity to buy a "dead" ZX-7 to grow my collection...
(of
> > > living ones...)
> > >
> > > I want to know what kind of design is used in its PB amp' i.e, does
the
> > > playback head input is fet direct coupled or capacitor coupled to
> bipolar
> > > transistor ?
> > >
> > > Thanks !!!
> > >
> > > Matyas
> > >
> > >
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 27 18:31:31 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:31:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 question-Misha
References: <LAW-OE389DLf4bg5Xml000006f6@hotmail.com> <000f01c03fa2$cbf5a860$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE3589QtpfTYSl100000931@hotmail.com>

It is defective on calibration ... 
Matyas

I am on price negotiations with owner.

I ever want to know the coupling disign used for playback amp. ...
Thanks !!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 question


> Hey, I'm not sure what do ypy mean "dead" but ZX-7 is on of the
> most wanted decks! And for sure it should be resurected!
> 
> Misha
> 

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From marc at stager.com  Fri Oct 27 18:34:41 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:34:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Viruses.
In-Reply-To: <000b01c0402a$55cb3a00$b7496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>
References: <002801c03ee9$6028c2c0$40269782@ROCKWELLBC09S2>
 <000b01c03f57$58c31b20$b8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>
 <003001c04015$cd7a2940$712f2ac4@coqui.net>
 <015201c04021$7877f600$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001027123010.023277b0@mail.flashcom.net>

Using Eudora 5.0 and Netscape 4.75, and without the need
of any anti-virus intercept, my computer has never been
affected by any virus that came in email.

Thought IE 5.5 and Outlook are free from Microsoft,
I would not use them even if they paid me.

Dump that garbage before you get into serious trouble.

_________________________ Marc Stager

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 27 20:10:18 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:10:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 question-Misha
References: <LAW-OE389DLf4bg5Xml000006f6@hotmail.com> <000f01c03fa2$cbf5a860$0100007f@localhost> <LAW-OE3589QtpfTYSl100000931@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c04041$2b77d760$0100007f@localhost>

Hi!


> It is defective on calibration ... 

It's not "dead", it's just a great deal :)

> I am on price negotiations with owner.
> 
> I ever want to know the coupling disign used for playback amp. ...

Unfortunately I have no idea. But I suspect there is capacitor coupled
bipolar transistor circuit. Of course I may be wrong and our Gurus
knows it better. But anyway - ZX-7 is a GREAT deck.

Misha



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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 27 19:59:13 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:59:13 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Mr. Blues V2 #433
References: <EOENLHMEFEEAKAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE34UwWpSWerOc000000a11@hotmail.com>

Hello Blues,
-I was in the unpossibility to reply these days, due to a phone line
problem.-

> Hi Matyas!  I'm wondering what causes you to champion the CR-7 as the
ultimate Nak deck?

Dragon/CR-7 is an item offten talken about on Naktalk you know it well... I
just was having in mind the possibility that such statements might having a
sense after all...in regards to the numerous people that had compare them.
but I didn't / couldn't refer CR-7 as the ultimate
because:
1. I never heard its sound.
2. A friend of mine have the 1000ZXL and a Dragon. No hesitation to throw
away the Dragon when you compare them, (only if you aren't a transistory,
synthetic sound lover), the CR-7 intestine is closed to Dragon ... but to
make it clear, the signal path in the CR-7 is shorter, so a gain of
transparency will not amaze me at all in the CR-7 favor.

> I favor the RX-505, which has all the good stuff and autoreverse
>I believe the record/playback specs on the 505 are right up there with the
CR-7, close to the Dragon. Furthermore, I wonder >if my aging ears could
even hear the difference between these three heavenly decks.  So, further
enlighten me, perhaps to the >point that I will be swayed over to the CR-7
crowd. Honestly, if I had $1000 to spend on another Nak, I'd grab a
>1000ZXL!!!

Blues, I honestly recomend you to buy cheap a 582, It will make you drop
pleasure tears!!! The 582-Z has Dolby C. but I never experience it. 582 is
the most rational deck I own, its live sound outperform my Dragon.
The op amps used into are the basic njm4558. They can easily be replaced by
high
quality op amp as OPA-2604 (Burr Brown),
In its original version its sound is very warm & live, generous soundstage
and
feellings ... it make awake your loudspeakers... and you by the way.
If you think about an another Nakamichi deck to own, in the 1000ZXL vein,
choose this one for its sound without murdering $$$.
About aging ears & azimuth, have a look to the Principle of Operation -page
6- on the N582_1_ ServiveManual.pdf  . If you have an idea of the higher
frequency you personnaly can hear, you can refer this doc to imagine the
annoyance you can get with deformed cassette shells.
It is a document of first importance that didn't figure in the later
manuals.
Every Nak 3 heads needs rec head azimuth tuning before recording, it its due
to the great distance between rec & play head, which magnifiy (worsen) the
skewed azimuth from both play & rec heads.
In the later models, azimuth tune needs was getting away from Nak publicity,
from my point of view, cause of the brand was yet reallizing the very best
and their name was getting so famous that just the Nak stamp suffice to make
horny the non-technicians potential customers. So, they makes a new line
adapted to that non tech people, but remember, the incompatibility with
other brand players is due to the greatly distanced heads of the Nakamichi
discerte rec & play heads.
The fact that Nakamichi was having in their brochure both azimuth adjustable
deck and deck without, was maybe an Achille' heel for their future incoming
line... (regarding to the cost of these decks), and for the so-called
advantages of Nakamichi discretes heads.

The few 582 negative points are:
1. A capstan motor noise louder than all models I know.
2. Its looks. ... but its sounds so good that it let you forget the material
and your soul fly away ...

> Best regards, and where do you call home base (country/city where your
emails originate from?)?
>
> Mr Blues
> Madison, WI  USA
>
Regards,
Matyas Csillagi , Hailing from Geneva, Switzerland.

My Nakamichi collection:
Dragon,
2 times 582,
680ZX,
LX-3,
600II  and perhaps a ZX7 in some days ...



> >
> >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:42:11 +0200
> >From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Amplifier Section Uploaded
> >
> >C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.
>
> >
> >Hi Nak fellows !
> >
> >I just upload on the Naks.com FTP site an exerpt of my CR-7 service =
> >manual,
> >which is the audio circuits, Take it as a "snack" before I own a descent
=
> >scanner (HP scanjet 5370), time in which I will scan the complete manual
=
> >with a higer resolution.
> >
> >I am urge to discuss with all of you the slight differances that make =
> >CR-7 sounding better vs Dragon.
> >- -when Norman will resolve his scanner problems, of course :o)
> >
> >Sincerly,
> >
> >Matyas Csillagi
> >
>


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 27 20:17:08 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:17:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 question- Misha
References: <LAW-OE389DLf4bg5Xml000006f6@hotmail.com> <000f01c03fa2$cbf5a860$0100007f@localhost> <LAW-OE3589QtpfTYSl100000931@hotmail.com> <000b01c04041$2b77d760$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE19jQzs1aQEPOW00000b49@hotmail.com>

> > I ever want to know the coupling disign used for playback amp. ...
>
> Unfortunately I have no idea. But I suspect there is capacitor coupled
> bipolar transistor circuit. Of course I may be wrong and our Gurus
> knows it better. But anyway - ZX-7 is a GREAT deck.
>
>Misha

Misha, I didn't anyway think that capacitor coupled is a feeble point : )
I just want make an opinion on the kind of sound it has.
680ZX & 582 disign are identical, if ZX-7 is close it will apeal me stronger
I believe.

Matyas



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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 27 23:09:36 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:09:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 question- Misha
References: <LAW-OE389DLf4bg5Xml000006f6@hotmail.com> <000f01c03fa2$cbf5a860$0100007f@localhost> <LAW-OE3589QtpfTYSl100000931@hotmail.com> <000b01c04041$2b77d760$0100007f@localhost> <LAW-OE19jQzs1aQEPOW00000b49@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301c0405a$37bad7c0$0100007f@localhost>

> I just want make an opinion on the kind of sound it has.
> 680ZX & 582 disign are identical, if ZX-7 is close it will apeal me
stronger
> I believe.

For sure ZX-7 closer to 680 and 582 than to Dragon. So in my most wanted
list there is 700ZXL/1000ZXL, and ZX-9/ZX-7 on a second place.

BTW, you should try 700/1000 tri tracer. I just love their sound.

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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 28 00:03:15 2000
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:03:15 EEST
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
Message-ID: <F41KxgvysID7K2o3Ph400000ae9@hotmail.com>

I am definitely no champion of Microsoft, but I have to say that I am using 
the latest IE 5.5 and corresponding Outlook Express and I had no problems 
whatsoever with the virus in Carlos' message.

George


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Adam Yousuf" <adamyh at netvigator.com>
Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
CC: <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:53:10 +0800

Yeah, luckly Norton stopped mine..

Better scan your computer Carlos.. Here's a link that would help you.
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html

Good luck!
Adam




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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Oct 28 00:22:41 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:22:41 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification
Message-ID: <39FA0031.188C46D1@concentric.net>


As mentioned in this list some time ago, I have a CR-7a
that came with the gear modification, but not the record
equalization upgrade. The latter is supposed to improve
high frequency response. I never felt the deck was lacking
in high frequency response, but thought, what the hell,
let's do it...

I called Nakamichi in Torrance, CA to ask for the
service bulletin. It took quite a few days before I
got to talk to their Customer Service, because their
procedure requires the caller to leave a VM message,
which they, in turn, simply ignore. I kept calling
and leaving messages, each in an increasing volume
and irritation level, until one fine day their
Customer Service guy actually did return the call.

When I asked for the service bulletin, he gave me a
cock and bull story about the modification simply
equating the CR-7 to MR-1 standards, so that it better
matches industry standard equalization, but the CR-7,
by itself, does not require it. He summarily denied
that the modification had been incorporated into all
CR-7s after S/N A130-08677.

As to the service bulletin, he emphatically refused to
let me have a copy. I explained that I was both a CR-7a
owner, as well as a service provider -- that didn't
impress him one bit... I followed up with their Service
Manager, with similar results. Nakamichi does not feel
that their customers deserve any support or information,
except through authorized dealers, that will, of course,
charge handsomely for it ...

I eventually obtained a copy of the service bulletin, to
discover that the gentlemen from Nakamichi were lie...
er... incorrect. The bulletin offers another cock and
bull story, explaining it corrects for tapes that deviate
from Nakamichi's standard tapes. Bottom line: it *has*
been incorporated in all CR-7s since S/N A130-08677.

So, last weekend I finally installed the upgrade in my
CR-7a. I was careful not to disturb the internal
adjustments; these will have to be done later. I then
reconnected the deck and did some listening tests. I am
very surprised at the results... Here they are.

First, PB of previously recorded tapes is identical, to
my ears, to what it was before. That's not surprising,
since the upgrade affects only the recording equalization
circuits. Second, unexpectedly, on newly recorded tapes,
bass is improved -- both in extension and volume. It is
not excessive or boomy in any way, just tighter and
very pleasantly improved. Lower strings (contrabass) and
timpani now come across as almost tangible sounds.
Wonderful! I wonder if this will be retained after the
deck is calibrated properly...

Third (and this is the most baffling phenomenon), I do
not perceive extension of the higher frequencies, but
clearly hear improvement in highs quality. The highs
are silky smooth -- smoother than before -- and airy.
I couldn't believe my ears, there is no reason for
lower treble distortion.

The differences are not night-and-day, but still,
inescapable. Based on all this, I would recommend
this upgrade to older CR-7 owners.

This has been longer than anticipated... Thanks to
anyone that's still with me...

Have a good night,

-- Ron
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct 28 00:42:24 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:42:24 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
In-Reply-To: <F41KxgvysID7K2o3Ph400000ae9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201c04067$2d178860$2235883e@a4s1s2>

Ne meither.  mY  Pc's o   kay .... /?????????   nO virus h as  a f f ected
i    t

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> George Valkov
> Sent: 28 October 2000 01:03
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
>
>
> I am definitely no champion of Microsoft, but I have to say that
> I am using
> the latest IE 5.5 and corresponding Outlook Express and I had no problems
> whatsoever with the virus in Carlos' message.
>
> George
>
>

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From audioguy1 at Home.com  Sat Oct 28 00:55:42 2000
From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:55:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Head azimuth question
Message-ID: <39FA07ED.DE84761D@home.com>

Hi. I recently purchased a CR-3A to replace a Teac
V-770 that has been very good to me.
Unfortunately, I guess from day 1 (14 years ago)
the Teac's speed and azimuth were slightly out.
This never mattered because I was the only one
using these tapes and aligned my other portables
and car audio to match. Now I have adjusted the
speed on the CR-3 to match (it is an extensive
collection of tapes) but now I need to align the
heads to match. My question is, after I match the
playback azimuth, would I then record something
while monitoring the playback, and adjust the
record azimuth?
Thanks for any help

Rick Taylor

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From oceanview5 at Home.com  Sat Oct 28 02:18:24 2000
From: oceanview5 at Home.com (oceanview5@home.com (Gary))
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:18:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification
References: <39FA0031.188C46D1@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39FA1B50.A85E231D@home.com>

Dear Ron,

Just today I subscribed to the naktalk mailing list. I'm not exactly sure what I
subscribed to, but my intent was to locate someone who could help me find a service
manual or at least a schematic for a Nakamichi ZX7 tape deck. Can you offer any
assistance?

Thanks for taking the time to at least consider my quandary,

Gary


Ron wrote:

> As mentioned in this list some time ago, I have a CR-7a
> that came with the gear modification, but not the record
> equalization upgrade. The latter is supposed to improve
> high frequency response. I never felt the deck was lacking
> in high frequency response, but thought, what the hell,
> let's do it...
>
> I called Nakamichi in Torrance, CA to ask for the
> service bulletin. It took quite a few days before I
> got to talk to their Customer Service, because their
> procedure requires the caller to leave a VM message,
> which they, in turn, simply ignore. I kept calling
> and leaving messages, each in an increasing volume
> and irritation level, until one fine day their
> Customer Service guy actually did return the call.
>
> When I asked for the service bulletin, he gave me a
> cock and bull story about the modification simply
> equating the CR-7 to MR-1 standards, so that it better
> matches industry standard equalization, but the CR-7,
> by itself, does not require it. He summarily denied
> that the modification had been incorporated into all
> CR-7s after S/N A130-08677.
>
> As to the service bulletin, he emphatically refused to
> let me have a copy. I explained that I was both a CR-7a
> owner, as well as a service provider -- that didn't
> impress him one bit... I followed up with their Service
> Manager, with similar results. Nakamichi does not feel
> that their customers deserve any support or information,
> except through authorized dealers, that will, of course,
> charge handsomely for it ...
>
> I eventually obtained a copy of the service bulletin, to
> discover that the gentlemen from Nakamichi were lie...
> er... incorrect. The bulletin offers another cock and
> bull story, explaining it corrects for tapes that deviate
> from Nakamichi's standard tapes. Bottom line: it *has*
> been incorporated in all CR-7s since S/N A130-08677.
>
> So, last weekend I finally installed the upgrade in my
> CR-7a. I was careful not to disturb the internal
> adjustments; these will have to be done later. I then
> reconnected the deck and did some listening tests. I am
> very surprised at the results... Here they are.
>
> First, PB of previously recorded tapes is identical, to
> my ears, to what it was before. That's not surprising,
> since the upgrade affects only the recording equalization
> circuits. Second, unexpectedly, on newly recorded tapes,
> bass is improved -- both in extension and volume. It is
> not excessive or boomy in any way, just tighter and
> very pleasantly improved. Lower strings (contrabass) and
> timpani now come across as almost tangible sounds.
> Wonderful! I wonder if this will be retained after the
> deck is calibrated properly...
>
> Third (and this is the most baffling phenomenon), I do
> not perceive extension of the higher frequencies, but
> clearly hear improvement in highs quality. The highs
> are silky smooth -- smoother than before -- and airy.
> I couldn't believe my ears, there is no reason for
> lower treble distortion.
>
> The differences are not night-and-day, but still,
> inescapable. Based on all this, I would recommend
> this upgrade to older CR-7 owners.
>
> This has been longer than anticipated... Thanks to
> anyone that's still with me...
>
> Have a good night,
>
> -- Ron
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Sat Oct 28 04:43:16 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:43:16 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Kudos to Jeff Galin!
Message-ID: <f2.3f97968.272b9744@aol.com>

Go Jeff too!!!!!!!!!!
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Sat Oct 28 05:06:06 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:06:06 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Teac for sale on eBay
Message-ID: <ad.267efeb.272b9c9e@aol.com>

Hi Nak Talkers,

I almost brought this deck while in the military and opted for my TEAC RX- 
9191x.  Just wondering how this deck compares with any NAKs.  Thanks!

-Sam

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=472891733
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From oceanview5 at Home.com  Sat Oct 28 05:18:31 2000
From: oceanview5 at Home.com (oceanview5@home.com (Gary))
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:18:31 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] nactalk help needed
References: <39FA0031.188C46D1@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39FA4587.7B6B898A@home.com>

Dear Ron,

Just today I subscribed to the naktalk mailing list. I'm not exactly sure what I
subscribed to, but my intent was to locate someone who could help me find a service
manual or at least a schematic for a Nakamichi ZX7 tape deck. Can you offer any
assistance and/or give me a clue as to how to work with naktalk?

Thanks for taking the time to at least consider my quandary,

Gary



Ron wrote:

> As mentioned in this list some time ago, I have a CR-7a
> that came with the gear modification, but not the record
> equalization upgrade. The latter is supposed to improve
> high frequency response. I never felt the deck was lacking
> in high frequency response, but thought, what the hell,
> let's do it...
>
> I called Nakamichi in Torrance, CA to ask for the
> service bulletin. It took quite a few days before I
> got to talk to their Customer Service, because their
> procedure requires the caller to leave a VM message,
> which they, in turn, simply ignore. I kept calling
> and leaving messages, each in an increasing volume
> and irritation level, until one fine day their
> Customer Service guy actually did return the call.
>
> When I asked for the service bulletin, he gave me a
> cock and bull story about the modification simply
> equating the CR-7 to MR-1 standards, so that it better
> matches industry standard equalization, but the CR-7,
> by itself, does not require it. He summarily denied
> that the modification had been incorporated into all
> CR-7s after S/N A130-08677.
>
> As to the service bulletin, he emphatically refused to
> let me have a copy. I explained that I was both a CR-7a
> owner, as well as a service provider -- that didn't
> impress him one bit... I followed up with their Service
> Manager, with similar results. Nakamichi does not feel
> that their customers deserve any support or information,
> except through authorized dealers, that will, of course,
> charge handsomely for it ...
>
> I eventually obtained a copy of the service bulletin, to
> discover that the gentlemen from Nakamichi were lie...
> er... incorrect. The bulletin offers another cock and
> bull story, explaining it corrects for tapes that deviate
> from Nakamichi's standard tapes. Bottom line: it *has*
> been incorporated in all CR-7s since S/N A130-08677.
>
> So, last weekend I finally installed the upgrade in my
> CR-7a. I was careful not to disturb the internal
> adjustments; these will have to be done later. I then
> reconnected the deck and did some listening tests. I am
> very surprised at the results... Here they are.
>
> First, PB of previously recorded tapes is identical, to
> my ears, to what it was before. That's not surprising,
> since the upgrade affects only the recording equalization
> circuits. Second, unexpectedly, on newly recorded tapes,
> bass is improved -- both in extension and volume. It is
> not excessive or boomy in any way, just tighter and
> very pleasantly improved. Lower strings (contrabass) and
> timpani now come across as almost tangible sounds.
> Wonderful! I wonder if this will be retained after the
> deck is calibrated properly...
>
> Third (and this is the most baffling phenomenon), I do
> not perceive extension of the higher frequencies, but
> clearly hear improvement in highs quality. The highs
> are silky smooth -- smoother than before -- and airy.
> I couldn't believe my ears, there is no reason for
> lower treble distortion.
>
> The differences are not night-and-day, but still,
> inescapable. Based on all this, I would recommend
> this upgrade to older CR-7 owners.
>
> This has been longer than anticipated... Thanks to
> anyone that's still with me...
>
> Have a good night,
>
> -- Ron
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From kohnb at outrider.triton.net  Sat Oct 28 06:44:46 2000
From: kohnb at outrider.triton.net (kohnb at outrider.triton.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:44:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Mono problem on 670ZX?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010280028170.4599-100000@outrider.triton.net>


Hey all,

  I've got this really weird (at least to a new Nak owner) issue with my
670ZX. Certain tapes, I believe all are in mono, play panned extremely
hard to the left with the right nearly inaudible. Do these decks have
issues with mono recordings that would cause such a thing? If not, any
ideas on what would cause such a thing with only certain tapes?

Thanks for any help you generous folks can offer..
Ben


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sat Oct 28 08:47:45 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:47:45 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Mono problem on 670ZX?
Message-ID: <017301c040aa$fb21fae0$7393bccf@sank1>

Mono cassette tape recorders are very rarely aligned so that the head sit's
squarely accross the width of what would be the stereo tracks, and
apparently some of your were from really out of range ones.  Not at all
surprising.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: kohnb at outrider.triton.net <kohnb at outrider.triton.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:00 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Mono problem on 670ZX?


>
>Hey all,
>
>  I've got this really weird (at least to a new Nak owner) issue with my
>670ZX. Certain tapes, I believe all are in mono, play panned extremely
>hard to the left with the right nearly inaudible. Do these decks have
>issues with mono recordings that would cause such a thing? If not, any
>ideas on what would cause such a thing with only certain tapes?
>
>Thanks for any help you generous folks can offer..
>Ben
>
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 28 10:59:30 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:59:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <000201c04067$2d178860$2235883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <000f01c040bd$63f6f720$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Graham,

This virus is a script that will makes some hole on your security and
will give an access to your computer to someone from the dark part of the
Internet.
You will never see any results of this virus untill someone will format your
disc or
erase all your important files or simply still all your commercial secrets.
Please recheck your computer with updated antivirus programm!
I have AVP script checker that will not let any scripts install it so
I got varning when I got message from Carlos. Oh, you can open
the source of the message in a plain text - you will be surpised how
big this message is - there is a virus body!

Misha

> Ne meither.  mY  Pc's o   kay .... /?????????   nO virus h as  a f f ected
> i    t
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > George Valkov
> > Sent: 28 October 2000 01:03
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
> >
> >
> > I am definitely no champion of Microsoft, but I have to say that
> > I am using
> > the latest IE 5.5 and corresponding Outlook Express and I had no
problems
> > whatsoever with the virus in Carlos' message.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Oct 28 14:23:54 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:23:54 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] That Ol' Virus Blues ....  Got to be a song in there...
In-Reply-To: <000f01c040bd$63f6f720$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000201c040d9$f0359c20$c9ff883e@a4s1s2>

Hi Misha

Being serious, actually my McAfee Active Shield spotted the virus and I
deleted the file.

Tell you what tho' - I have a program that I bought on-line - PTS Software's
Power-Up Deluxe - that my McAfee keeps insisting as a virus attached to the
.exe file.  I deleted it and re-installed the program and - same thing! I'm
wondering if the file has some macro that McAfee thinks is a virus.
Sometimes this happens with Exel macro's, I've noticed - says the file has a
virus when it doesn't.

Gra'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 28 October 2000 10:00
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
>
>
> Hi Graham,
>
> This virus is a script that will makes some hole on your security and
> will give an access to your computer to someone from the dark part of the
> Internet.
> You will never see any results of this virus untill someone will
> format your
> disc or
> erase all your important files or simply still all your
> commercial secrets.
> Please recheck your computer with updated antivirus programm!
> I have AVP script checker that will not let any scripts install it so
> I got varning when I got message from Carlos. Oh, you can open
> the source of the message in a plain text - you will be surpised how
> big this message is - there is a virus body!
>
> Misha
>
> > Ne meither.  mY  Pc's o   kay .... /?????????   nO virus h as
> a f f ected
> > i    t
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com
> [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > > George Valkov
> > >
> Sent: 28 October 2000 01:03
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
> > >
> > >
> > > I am definitely no champion of Microsoft, but I have to say that
> > > I am using
> > > the latest IE 5.5 and corresponding Outlook Express and I had no
> problems
> > > whatsoever with the virus in Carlos' message.
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Oct 29 03:05:45 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:05:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification
References: <39FA0031.188C46D1@concentric.net> <39FA1B50.A85E231D@home.com>
Message-ID: <39FB85F9.5D015965@concentric.net>

Gary,

The Naks ftp site carries a few service manuals:

ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/service/english/

however, the ZX7 is not there (yet...). A good
(but expensive) source of service manuals, including
Nakamichi, is Marty Gassman. See his web site at:

http://www.tiac.net/users/mgasman/manuals_nak.html

where he does seem to offer a ZX7 service manual.
email him to see what he wants for it.

Regards,

-- Ron


"oceanview5 at home.com (Gary)" wrote:
> 
> Dear Ron,
> 
> Just today I subscribed to the naktalk mailing list.
> I'm not exactly sure what I subscribed to, but my
> intent was to locate someone who could help me find
> a service manual or at least a schematic for a
> Nakamichi ZX7 tape deck. Can you offer any assistance?
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to at least consider my
> quandary,
> 
> Gary
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From oceanview5 at Home.com  Sun Oct 29 03:47:40 2000
From: oceanview5 at Home.com (oceanview5@home.com (Gary))
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:47:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual
References: <39FA0031.188C46D1@concentric.net> <39FA1B50.A85E231D@home.com> <39FB85F9.5D015965@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <39FB8FCC.63ACA90F@home.com>

Dear Ron,

Thanks so much for the info. I had previously checked out the ftp site and couldn't
find it there. I wrote Marty to see what kind of arrangements we can make.

thanks again,

Gary

Ron wrote:

> Gary,
>
> The Naks ftp site carries a few service manuals:
>
> ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/service/english/
>
> however, the ZX7 is not there (yet...). A good
> (but expensive) source of service manuals, including
> Nakamichi, is Marty Gassman. See his web site at:
>
> http://www.tiac.net/users/mgasman/manuals_nak.html
>
> where he does seem to offer a ZX7 service manual.
> email him to see what he wants for it.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Ron
>
> "oceanview5 at home.com (Gary)" wrote:
> >
> > Dear Ron,
> >
> > Just today I subscribed to the naktalk mailing list.
> > I'm not exactly sure what I subscribed to, but my
> > intent was to locate someone who could help me find
> > a service manual or at least a schematic for a
> > Nakamichi ZX7 tape deck. Can you offer any assistance?
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to at least consider my
> > quandary,
> >
> > Gary
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Sun Oct 29 05:10:19 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 00:10:19 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Rare 1000ZXL for sale on eBay!
Message-ID: <74.4519dd3.272cfd2b@aol.com>

Hi All!

There is a nice looking 1000ZXL for sale on eBay if anyone is interested.  
Take care!

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=481906292

-Sam
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Sun Oct 29 06:36:58 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:36:58 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Rare Nakamichi CD Player for Sale
Message-ID: <d.bba7a49.272d117a@aol.com>

Hi Nak Talkers,

In case any of you are interested.  Take care!

-Sam

http://www.audioshopper.com/cgi-bin/classifieds.asp?action=showad&id=40670
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Oct 29 17:28:07 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:28:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Rare 1000ZXL for sale on eBay!
References: <74.4519dd3.272cfd2b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003301c041c5$38c3c250$b9496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Nice price, at the mement.  Shipping from Hong Kong would be very expensive.
I was quoted $200+ to pack and ship a Nak. 700 to Japan.

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Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:10 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Rare 1000ZXL for sale on eBay!


> Hi All!
>
> There is a nice looking 1000ZXL for sale on eBay if anyone is interested.
> Take care!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=481906292
>
> -Sam
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 29 17:30:34 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:30:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7 exerpt uploaded
Message-ID: <LAW-OE20ZIhTrBoe2U800000f7e@hotmail.com>

Wouter,

I just went to see if my CR-7 service manual exerpt was available from your site and I couldn' t see it ...
Can you tell me it you have recieved it ?
Thank you,
Matyas
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Matyas 
  To: Wouter Heijke 
  Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:46 PM
  Subject: CR-7 exerpt uploaded


  Hello Wouter,

  I just upload in the incomming folder of your FTP site an exerpt of my CR-7 service manual.
  I have called it: CR-7_Amplifier_Section
  Thanks to place it in the service manual folder :o)

  Regards,

  Matyas Csillagi
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 29 18:09:05 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:09:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 question- Misha
References: <LAW-OE389DLf4bg5Xml000006f6@hotmail.com> <000f01c03fa2$cbf5a860$0100007f@localhost> <LAW-OE3589QtpfTYSl100000931@hotmail.com> <000b01c04041$2b77d760$0100007f@localhost> <LAW-OE19jQzs1aQEPOW00000b49@hotmail.com> <002301c0405a$37bad7c0$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE27bDt3HvoFOAm00000347@hotmail.com>

Thank you Misha !

> For sure ZX-7 closer to 680 and 582 than to Dragon. So in my most wanted
> list there is 700ZXL/1000ZXL, and ZX-9/ZX-7 on a second place.
> 
> BTW, you should try 700/1000 tri tracer. I just love their sound.
> 
> Misha


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Oct 29 19:10:11 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:10:11 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Rare 1000ZXL for sale on eBay!
In-Reply-To: <74.4519dd3.272cfd2b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c041d3$7ada36c0$1407893e@a4s1s2>

Slurp!  Slurp!  Dribble!  Dribble!

Champagne tastes, lemonade money ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> SBarr12393 at aol.com
> Sent: 29 October 2000 04:10
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Rare 1000ZXL for sale on eBay!
> 
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> There is a nice looking 1000ZXL for sale on eBay if anyone is 
> interested.  
> Take care!
> 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=481906292

-Sam
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Oct 30 08:02:03 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:32:03 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification
Message-ID: <010801c0423f$4fdf9700$42d60192@vsnl>

Gary
You can try the following german website and order Nak mauals - I have done
so and found that it is cheaper and they are prompt
web site is
http://www.schaltungsdienst.de
You can contact  Mr. H.Jaghzies
who replies you in English. His email id jaghzies at schaltungsdienst.de
Kannan

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, October 29, 2000 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification


>Gary,
>
>The Naks ftp site carries a few service manuals:
>
>ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/service/english/
>
>however, the ZX7 is not there (yet...). A good
>(but expensive) source of service manuals, including
>Nakamichi, is Marty Gassman. See his web site at:
>
>http://www.tiac.net/users/mgasman/manuals_nak.html
>
>where he does seem to offer a ZX7 service manual.
>email him to see what he wants for it.
>
>Regards,
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>"oceanview5 at home.com (Gary)" wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ron,
>>
>> Just today I subscribed to the naktalk mailing list.
>> I'm not exactly sure what I subscribed to, but my
>> intent was to locate someone who could help me find
>> a service manual or at least a schematic for a
>> Nakamichi ZX7 tape deck. Can you offer any assistance?
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to at least consider my
>> quandary,
>>
>> Gary
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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.com.au  Mon Oct 30 08:46:46 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:46:46 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z problem.
Message-ID: <200010300747.SAA09776@necagmx.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi all out there in Nakland, and a special hello to Mr Stephen Sank.

	Stephen, remember the problem I had with a 482Z not being able to
record and you suggested to check out 2 capacitors, well they checked
out to be ok. What I failed to explain was that when you try to record
on it the following happens....

	- Record lamp & play lamps are on
	- Previous recording on tape is played as if the unit is in play mode
only.
	- No signals seem to be sent to erase/record heads.

	I'm sorry to trouble you with these questions but I'm always
appreciative of your professional comments. This goes without saying to
all of you on this list.

	Keep on smiling

	Regards

Thomas Siomopoulos


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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Mon Oct 30 09:21:00 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:21:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36CB@MCHH214E>

Hi Gary,

due the very good exchange rate (for you) from EUR to U$ I can get the ZX-7 service manual for you for a low price.
The price here in Germany is about 45,- German Marks which is about 20 U$ assuming 2,30 U$ for the German Mark.
In addition to that there will be shipping costs in Germany (about 6 U$) and from Germany to your location (if you reside in the US: About 18 U$).
So you will end up with an estimated price of about 44 U$. 

The only problem will be this: I didn't find a method for internation internet money transfer yet as it is available via PayPal in the US. If you decide to do a wired transfer you will be eaten up from the banking costs: I asked in my bank for the overall costs for transfering money from Germany to the US and they told me that the costs will occur twice. Once in here Germany and again in the US. 

If you have any idea how we can do the payment I can get the manual for you.

Naktalkers around the world: Does anybody know how money can be transferred internationally without horrible costs - please tell me what you've experienced.

Regards from Germany 

	Klaus


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) [SMTP:oceanview5 at Home.com]
> Gesendet am:	Sonntag, 29. Oktober 2000 03:48
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	[naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual
> 
> Dear Ron,
> 
> Thanks so much for the info. I had previously checked out the ftp site and couldn't
> find it there. I wrote Marty to see what kind of arrangements we can make.
> 
> thanks again,
> 
> Gary
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Mon Oct 30 09:24:04 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:24:04 +0100
Subject: AW: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36CC@MCHH214E>

Gary,

this is the site for you - I would have ordered the manual here, too.
This also solves the problem with the payment but you will possibly charged with some extra costs like international shipping, customs, etc. 

	Klaus

> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Kannan. S [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> Gesendet am:	Montag, 30. Oktober 2000 08:02
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification
> 
> Gary
> You can try the following german website and order Nak mauals - I have done
> so and found that it is cheaper and they are prompt
> web site is
> http://www.schaltungsdienst.de
> You can contact  Mr. H.Jaghzies
> who replies you in English. His email id jaghzies at schaltungsdienst.de
> Kannan
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Oct 30 10:29:50 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:59:50 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z problem.
Message-ID: <002b01c04253$f465b980$42d60192@vsnl>

I found that switching transistor sending positive 12 + volt to this bias
Oscillator breaks down and you have to check whether this transistor base
voltage level changes as well the power to bias circuit  when you press the
record button - since 480 service manual is available in Nak ftp server you
can easily do this. You need a good digital mutimeter ( or decent analog
will do) keep the black connection of multimeter on the body of 480 or
ground potential of circuit board and keep the positive side on this
transistor base. If it switches and the power line of bias circuitry gets
positive voltage and then if circuit is not oscillating, there is a problem
of two transistors forming part of bias circuit may have to be replaced.
However your symptom looks to me more like replacement of this switching
transistor. This transistor gets blown away sometimes and you will find the
plastic casing broken out.
Check it out and if you need more details of which is which let me refer the
circuit from Nak server and give you the transistor ref etc
Look at service manual and try to undersand them before attempting.
Sometimes I check whether any transistor  gone bad by using diode check
feature of Digital mutimeter chcek across base to collector and base to
emitter and then reversing the prod connections. On reverse side you should
not get less than 1.4 V - regularly it will be showing no voltage drop but
because of other circuit elements it may show 1.4V correct directions show
around 0.7V drop. If you find anything showing both directions drop - then
transistor needs replacement
Kannan
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From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.com.au>
To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 2:13 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z problem.


>Hi all out there in Nakland, and a special hello to Mr Stephen Sank.
>
> Stephen, remember the problem I had with a 482Z not being able to
>record and you suggested to check out 2 capacitors, well they checked
>out to be ok. What I failed to explain was that when you try to record
>on it the following happens....
>
> - Record lamp & play lamps are on
> - Previous recording on tape is played as if the unit is in play mode
>only.
> - No signals seem to be sent to erase/record heads.
>
> I'm sorry to trouble you with these questions but I'm always
>appreciative of your professional comments. This goes without saying to
>all of you on this list.
>
> Keep on smiling
>
> Regards
>
>Thomas Siomopoulos
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Oct 30 09:37:55 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:37:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z problem.
Message-ID: <03ed01c0424c$b3be1320$7393bccf@sank1>

Hmm.  Very unusual.  It sounds like the logic circuitry is not getting the
record "on" signal out to the amp & osc electronics.  Probably a failure of
just one little transistor, I'd guess.  Not a fault I have yet seen, and I
don't have a manual in front of me at the moment.  What I can tell you right
now is to find the xstor(transistor) that is tied through a resistor to the
common point of the 2.2ohm osc xstors' emitter resistors & check it, then
follow it's base to the next xstor that it is controlled by, & check it.  I
think one of those two will probably turn up bad, probably the second one,
as it is, at least in the 682ZX manual that I DO have in front of me, the
main control xstor for record enabling of the amp circuitry, with the first
xstor being just for the osc control.  If both check OK, see if you see the
voltage state change on each base from stop to record mode.  If no voltage
change, then you'll have to trace further back up the control chain.  I have
found that one or both of those xstors can often be damaged by failures of
the previously mentioned capacitors, and those damned little orange things
can be intermittent.  I have seen them read perfectly good with the power
off, but collapse as soon as recorde mode is activated, then read good again
when power is removed again.  Strangest caps I have ever seen.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.com.au>
To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 1:10 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z problem.


>Hi all out there in Nakland, and a special hello to Mr Stephen Sank.
>
> Stephen, remember the problem I had with a 482Z not being able to
>record and you suggested to check out 2 capacitors, well they checked
>out to be ok. What I failed to explain was that when you try to record
>on it the following happens....
>
> - Record lamp & play lamps are on
> - Previous recording on tape is played as if the unit is in play mode
>only.
> - No signals seem to be sent to erase/record heads.
>
> I'm sorry to trouble you with these questions but I'm always
>appreciative of your professional comments. This goes without saying to
>all of you on this list.
>
> Keep on smiling
>
> Regards
>
>Thomas Siomopoulos
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Mon Oct 30 09:52:10 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:52:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
References: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36CB@MCHH214E>
Message-ID: <005c01c0424e$b219ee20$0100007f@localhost>

> Naktalkers around the world: Does anybody know how money can be
transferred internationally
> without horrible costs - please tell me what you've experienced.

Hi Klaus,

I'm not sure about the rest of the world but here in Ukraine we have
branches of
Western Union and it's quite simple to transfer money abroad. Not sure about
the costs but defenitely they do not charge 100% for it.

Misha
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Oct 30 13:53:46 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:53:46 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36CB@MCHH214E>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001030135346.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 30-Oct-00 Fendt Klaus wrote:
> Naktalkers around the world: Does anybody know how money can be transferred
> internationally without horrible costs - please tell me what you've
> experienced.


I heard City Bank is offering *free* transactions to US (or for US customers
to Europe). Beats the 25+DM at Sparkasse and others for an international money
order any time :-)

K.-H.

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Oct 30 13:14:16 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:44:16 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
Message-ID: <001401c0426a$ed596800$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Klaus
I had sent Bank draft in Euro to this german company for two service
manuals -costed me 80 Marks ( Deutch) including postagesince shipping cost
is almost same for two manuals and I expect Us will be only around 45 DM and
less than 25 USD. You can always take Bank draft which is the cheapest but
you may spend around 8 USD or more for couriering the draft but much less
than wire transfer charges of almost 25 USD
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 2:46 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7


>Hi Gary,
>
>due the very good exchange rate (for you) from EUR to U$ I can get the ZX-7
service manual for you for a low price.
>The price here in Germany is about 45,- German Marks which is about 20 U$
assuming 2,30 U$ for the German Mark.
>In addition to that there will be shipping costs in Germany (about 6 U$)
and from Germany to your location (if you reside in the US: About 18 U$).
>So you will end up with an estimated price of about 44 U$.
>
>The only problem will be this: I didn't find a method for internation
internet money transfer yet as it is available via PayPal in the US. If you
decide to do a wired transfer you will be eaten up from the banking costs: I
asked in my bank for the overall costs for transfering money from Germany to
the US and they told me that the costs will occur twice. Once in here
Germany and again in the US.
>
>If you have any idea how we can do the payment I can get the manual for
you.
>
>Naktalkers around the world: Does anybody know how money can be transferred
internationally without horrible costs - please tell me what you've
experienced.
>
>Regards from Germany
>
> Klaus
>
>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) [SMTP:oceanview5 at Home.com]
>> Gesendet am: Sonntag, 29. Oktober 2000 03:48
>> An: naktalk at naks.com
>> Betreff: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual
>>
>> Dear Ron,
>>
>> Thanks so much for the info. I had previously checked out the ftp site
and couldn't
>> find it there. I wrote Marty to see what kind of arrangements we can
make.
>>
>> thanks again,
>>
>> Gary
>>
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Mon Oct 30 16:00:48 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:00:48 +0100
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36E0@MCHH214E>

Kannan ,

hopefully you do not think that I want to cheat around in any way ;-))
I'm far away from cheating people who provide me with important information.

You were quite lucky to find a company selling you the manuals to that price you mentioned below. I took a look in their database and found a price of 45,- DM for each manual. And this price is without any shipping costs. So I'm really confused how you made it to get them for such a low price without having to pay any customs for them. A possible reason for that is because you ordered them from outside Germany.

So let me summarize whether I got everything correct:
You paid 80,- DM for two service manuals including shipping costs to the States (wow), additional 8 U$ for couriering the bank draft and some additional bucks to get this draft from your bank. And nobody charged you any customs, did they? If so I have to apologize to all NakTalkers for writing complete nonsense about getting manuals in Germany. Guys: Never ask a German resident for getting Nak manuals for you - order them directly and save a lot of money.

Background:
A few weeks ago I sent a small parcel containing a 200 page documentation to the states and had to pay about 36,- DM in the german post office in order to get them over the ocean within 10 days. A normal small parcel within Germany is about 10,- DM at the moment. So the price I gave to Gary is something like this:
Manual: 			45,- DM
PP (to me) 		10,- DM (estimated for private shipping, could be more when ordering from a company
PP (from me to Gary) 	36,- DM
Altogether 		91,- DM, equals to something like 40 U$ assuming 2,30 DM for the U$

	Klaus

> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Kannan. S [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> Gesendet am:	Montag, 30. Oktober 2000 13:14
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
> 
> Dear Klaus
> I had sent Bank draft in Euro to this german company for two service
> manuals -costed me 80 Marks ( Deutch) including postagesince shipping cost
> is almost same for two manuals and I expect Us will be only around 45 DM and
> less than 25 USD. You can always take Bank draft which is the cheapest but
> you may spend around 8 USD or more for couriering the draft but much less
> than wire transfer charges of almost 25 USD
> Kannan
> 
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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Mon Oct 30 12:00:55 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:00:55 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
Message-ID: <003701c04260$ae2ad470$5a7cc6cb@adamhomepc>

Hi guys,

Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.  They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could possibly bid for the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.

Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to know from those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and operability.

Thanks!
Adam
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From eddy.pollet at pandora.be  Mon Oct 30 18:08:36 2000
From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:08:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Money transfer
In-Reply-To: <200010300827.JAA21504@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <B62369A4.489B%eddy.pollet@pandora.be>

Hi big spenders :-)

To me, the easiest way to transfer money, is just in cash ... hide it in a
sheet of paper folded around it and put it in an envelope in relatively
thick paper . Especially for not so big amounts, I think this is the way to
go ... even if it would get lost 1 time out of 10 (which -as far as I know-
isn't the case ), you'd still be much cheaper than in any other way .

Eddy

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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 30 19:38:42 2000
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:38:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z problem
Message-ID: <20001030183842.7917.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com>

Thomas,

I had a problem on my 480Z years ago and I think it
was very similar.  I can't remember.  What I do
remember is that there is a cable going to the
multipole slide switch on the PC board.  This switch
switches the circuitry (Dolby chips, record amps, etc)
from Playback mode to Record mode.  On my 480Z the
other end of this cable was slipping due to a piece of
cracked plastic holding the outer sheath.  I suspect
that these switch isn't moving or isn't moving enough
to switch positions.  When in record mode try manually
moving this switch all the way and see if that works. 
The only way I could figure out how to fix this on my
deck was to squirt RTV and bond the sheath of the
cable to the mechanism.  It's not pretty, but, it
worked.

Scott Johnson

BTW.  I started a little web site where I have
scanning in many of my old Nakamichi brochures.  Tape
decks as well as DAT, preamps, amps, CD players,
receivers and even mobile sound products.  It's still
in the works and there are several links to images
that don't exist yet.  The URL is www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi.

__________________________________________________
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From shiflan at tca.net  Mon Oct 30 19:39:07 2000
From: shiflan at tca.net (Allan Moyse)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:39:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-5 Deck, near mint, on Ebay
Message-ID: <000a01c042a0$b00ee2a0$301db4d0@princesnakeeye>

I decided to sell my beloved Nak LX-5 on Ebay to raise money for upgrading my stereo system.  I hope that whoever buys it will enjoy it as much as I have, so I think this would be a good place to mention it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=484427883


thanks a lot!

  Allan
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Oct 31 01:02:53 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:02:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
References: <003701c04260$ae2ad470$5a7cc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <001101c042cd$eb7de840$a6312ac4@coqui.net>

I have both and all I can say is that the 1000 ZXL is a completely different animal. On the second hand market, it all depends on the conditions of both. The 700 ZXl is more prone to problems than its counterpart. At least, that's the general consensus. If both are in good condition, I'll always choose the 1000's. By the way, that is if you have extra space to accomodate her since it's much bigger than the 700's and heavier too.

The Tape Man
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adam Yousuf 
  To: Nak Talk 
  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:00 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL


  Hi guys,

  Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.  They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could possibly bid for the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.

  Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to know from those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and operability.

  Thanks!
  Adam
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Oct 31 01:04:30 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:04:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
References: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36E0@MCHH214E>
Message-ID: <001d01c042ce$2463f280$a6312ac4@coqui.net>

In Puerto rico as well as the US, Printed Matter is free of taxes.

The Tape Man

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fendt Klaus" <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:00 AM
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7


> Kannan ,
>
> hopefully you do not think that I want to cheat around in any way ;-))
> I'm far away from cheating people who provide me with important
information.
>
> You were quite lucky to find a company selling you the manuals to that
price you mentioned below. I took a look in their database and found a price
of 45,- DM for each manual. And this price is without any shipping costs. So
I'm really confused how you made it to get them for such a low price without
having to pay any customs for them. A possible reason for that is because
you ordered them from outside Germany.
>
> So let me summarize whether I got everything correct:
> You paid 80,- DM for two service manuals including shipping costs to the
States (wow), additional 8 U$ for couriering the bank draft and some
additional bucks to get this draft from your bank. And nobody charged you
any customs, did they? If so I have to apologize to all NakTalkers for
writing complete nonsense about getting manuals in Germany. Guys: Never ask
a German resident for getting Nak manuals for you - order them directly and
save a lot of money.
>
> Background:
> A few weeks ago I sent a small parcel containing a 200 page documentation
to the states and had to pay about 36,- DM in the german post office in
order to get them over the ocean within 10 days. A normal small parcel
within Germany is about 10,- DM at the moment. So the price I gave to Gary
is something like this:
> Manual: 45,- DM
> PP (to me) 10,- DM (estimated for private shipping, could be more when
ordering from a company
> PP (from me to Gary) 36,- DM
> Altogether 91,- DM, equals to something like 40 U$ assuming 2,30 DM for
the U$
>
> Klaus
>
> > -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Kannan. S [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> > Gesendet am: Montag, 30. Oktober 2000 13:14
> > An: naktalk at naks.com
> > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
> >
> > Dear Klaus
> > I had sent Bank draft in Euro to this german company for two service
> > manuals -costed me 80 Marks ( Deutch) including postagesince shipping
cost
> > is almost same for two manuals and I expect Us will be only around 45 DM
and
> > less than 25 USD. You can always take Bank draft which is the cheapest
but
> > you may spend around 8 USD or more for couriering the draft but much
less
> > than wire transfer charges of almost 25 USD
> > Kannan
> >
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Oct 31 01:08:46 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:08:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z problem
References: <20001030183842.7917.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501c042ce$bd3d9600$a6312ac4@coqui.net>

Very good Scott and nice looking too !

The Tape Man

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Johnson" <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 1:38 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z problem


> Thomas,
>
> I had a problem on my 480Z years ago and I think it
> was very similar.  I can't remember.  What I do
> remember is that there is a cable going to the
> multipole slide switch on the PC board.  This switch
> switches the circuitry (Dolby chips, record amps, etc)
> from Playback mode to Record mode.  On my 480Z the
> other end of this cable was slipping due to a piece of
> cracked plastic holding the outer sheath.  I suspect
> that these switch isn't moving or isn't moving enough
> to switch positions.  When in record mode try manually
> moving this switch all the way and see if that works.
> The only way I could figure out how to fix this on my
> deck was to squirt RTV and bond the sheath of the
> cable to the mechanism.  It's not pretty, but, it
> worked.
>
> Scott Johnson
>
> BTW.  I started a little web site where I have
> scanning in many of my old Nakamichi brochures.  Tape
> decks as well as DAT, preamps, amps, CD players,
> receivers and even mobile sound products.  It's still
> in the works and there are several links to images
> that don't exist yet.  The URL is www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi.
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf!  It's FREE.
> http://im.yahoo.com/
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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.com.au  Tue Oct 31 00:32:26 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:32:26 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z problem.
In-Reply-To: <03ed01c0424c$b3be1320$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <200010302332.KAA17352@necagmx.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi all again,

	Once again thank you Stephen. I'll try out your suggestion and see if
this works...and I'll replace those shifty orange things pretending to
be capacitors.
	Thanks all who gave their opinions about this problem.

	Regards Tom.

	P.S. Stephen, I think the "Talking Dog Transducer Company" is certainly
an eye-catching title and a good name.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Stephen Sank
Sent: Monday, 30 October 2000 7:38
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 482Z problem.


Hmm.  Very unusual.  It sounds like the logic circuitry is not getting
the
record "on" signal out to the amp & osc electronics.  Probably a failure
of
just one little transistor, I'd guess.  Not a fault I have yet seen, and
I
don't have a manual in front of me at the moment.  What I can tell you
right
now is to find the xstor(transistor) that is tied through a resistor to
the
common point of the 2.2ohm osc xstors' emitter resistors & check it,
then
follow it's base to the next xstor that it is controlled by, & check it.
I
think one of those two will probably turn up bad, probably the second
one,
as it is, at least in the 682ZX manual that I DO have in front of me,
the
main control xstor for record enabling of the amp circuitry, with the
first
xstor being just for the osc control.  If both check OK, see if you see
the
voltage state change on each base from stop to record mode.  If no
voltage
change, then you'll have to trace further back up the control chain.  I
have
found that one or both of those xstors can often be damaged by failures
of
the previously mentioned capacitors, and those damned little orange
things
can be intermittent.  I have seen them read perfectly good with the
power
off, but collapse as soon as recorde mode is activated, then read good
again
when power is removed again.  Strangest caps I have ever seen.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Siomopoulos <Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.com.au>
To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 1:10 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 482Z problem.


>Hi all out there in Nakland, and a special hello to Mr Stephen Sank.
>
> Stephen, remember the problem I had with a 482Z not being able to
>record and you suggested to check out 2 capacitors, well they checked
>out to be ok. What I failed to explain was that when you try to record
>on it the following happens....
>
> - Record lamp & play lamps are on
> - Previous recording on tape is played as if the unit is in play mode
>only.
> - No signals seem to be sent to erase/record heads.
>
> I'm sorry to trouble you with these questions but I'm always
>appreciative of your professional comments. This goes without saying to
>all of you on this list.
>
> Keep on smiling
>
> Regards
>
>Thomas Siomopoulos
>
>
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From brianm at grar.com  Tue Oct 31 00:37:23 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:37:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] WARNING again - Carlos message has a virus
Message-ID: <04cf01c042ca$5bf6c5a0$30021fac@brianm>

Do not open message from Carlos.

This file: "Unknown09e4.data" was infected with the: "WScript.KakWorm" virus. 

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 31 01:18:09 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:18:09 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
In-Reply-To: <005c01c0424e$b219ee20$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000101c042d0$0c5c9a00$9832883e@a4s1s2>

Yup - BidPay issues Western Union cheques.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 30 October 2000 08:52
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
> 
> 
> > Naktalkers around the world: Does anybody know how money can be
> transferred internationally
> > without horrible costs - please tell me what you've experienced.
> 
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> I'm not sure about the rest of the world but here in Ukraine we have
> branches of
> Western Union and it's quite simple to transfer money abroad. Not 
> sure about
> the costs but defenitely they do not charge 100% for it.
> 
> Misha
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 31 01:18:11 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:18:11 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] WARNING again - Carlos message has a virus
In-Reply-To: <04cf01c042ca$5bf6c5a0$30021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <000201c042d0$0d8ab9c0$9832883e@a4s1s2>

My McAfee picked it up, too

Graham
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Brian Miller
  Sent: 30 October 2000 23:37
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] WARNING again - Carlos message has a virus


  Do not open message from Carlos.

  This file: "Unknown09e4.data" was infected with the: "WScript.KakWorm"
virus.

  Brian Miller
  Michigan

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  unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct 31 01:18:02 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:18:02 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Money transfer
In-Reply-To: <B62369A4.489B%eddy.pollet@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <000001c042d0$08b22fa0$9832883e@a4s1s2>

As someone who works in a bank, and also as one who's also had a bad
experience with sending cash, I would NEVER recommend this to anyone.  I
bought a low value item on e-Bay and sent cash - a £5 note because to have
done this via the bank would have cost be another £5 on top for them to
issue a DM cheque.  The cash apparently never arrived.  I sent another £5
note and - guess what?  That didn't arrive either!  Cheapest I've found so
far is BidPay for out of US when buying via e-Bay - costs $5, which is
cheaper than my bank will do even for me as a member of their staff!

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> POLLET Eddy
> Sent: 30 October 2000 17:09
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Money transfer
>
>
> Hi big spenders :-)
>
> To me, the easiest way to transfer money, is just in cash ... hide it in a
> sheet of paper folded around it and put it in an envelope in relatively
> thick paper . Especially for not so big amounts, I think this is
> the way to
> go ... even if it would get lost 1 time out of 10 (which -as far
> as I know-
> isn't the case ), you'd still be much cheaper than in any other way .
>
> Eddy
>
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Oct 31 02:11:46 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:11:46 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Money transfer
Message-ID: <OF8D838BF9.B4E031A4-ON86256989.00067C59@ac.com>



Never, ever, send cash in the mail.  No receipts, no record, and,
eventually, no cash.  (Well, send a buck or two for a fanzine, maybe, or to
the Church of the Subgenius ....)

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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 31 02:22:48 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:22:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
In-Reply-To: <04cf01c042ca$5bf6c5a0$30021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001030201912.01d07680@mail.flashcom.net>

Hey Miller,

Quit posting your religious dribble here. I, for one,
find it stupid and offensive.

There are other forums for your ignorance. Please
take it there instead.

_______________________ Marc Stager

=========================================

At 10/30/00, you wrote:
>Do not open message from Carlos.
>
>This file: "Unknown09e4.data" was infected with the: "WScript.KakWorm" virus.
>
>Brian Miller
>Michigan
>
>If you confess... (religious rubbish deleted)

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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 31 02:22:48 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:22:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
In-Reply-To: <04cf01c042ca$5bf6c5a0$30021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001030201912.01d07680@mail.flashcom.net>

Hey Miller,

Please quit posting your religious drivel here.
I, for one, find it stupid and offensive.

There are other forums for your ignorance.
Please take it there instead.

_______________________ Marc Stager

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>Do not open message from Carlos.
>
>This file: "Unknown09e4.data" was infected with the: "WScript.KakWorm" virus.
>
>Brian Miller
>Michigan
>
>If you confess... (religious rubbish deleted)

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From brianm at grar.com  Tue Oct 31 02:54:51 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:54:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001030201912.01d07680@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <04ff01c042dd$90833f20$30021fac@brianm>

I tell you what I find offensive, someone that feels they have a right to
tell others how they can and cannot post!  The scripture is part of my
"signature", it automatically attaches when I reply to mail.

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Stager" <marc at stager.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.


> Hey Miller,
>
> Quit posting your religious dribble here. I, for one,
> find it stupid and offensive.
>
> There are other forums for your ignorance. Please
> take it there instead.
>
> _______________________ Marc Stager
>
> =========================================
>
> At 10/30/00, you wrote:
> >Do not open message from Carlos.
> >
> >This file: "Unknown09e4.data" was infected with the: "WScript.KakWorm"
virus.
> >
> >Brian Miller
> >Michigan
> >
> >If you confess... (religious rubbish deleted)
>
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Tue Oct 31 02:59:59 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:59:59 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <3a.c2fab52.272f819f@aol.com>

I'm with you Brian!  

-Sam
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From jeidbo at toolcity.net  Tue Oct 31 03:04:29 2000
From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (Joel Eidbo)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:04:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001030201912.01d07680@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <019701c042de$ec8cd780$19e90bd0@oemcomputer>

keep on thumpin!  Just who is the ignorant one?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Stager" <marc at stager.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.


> Hey Miller,
>
> Quit posting your religious dribble here. I, for one,
> find it stupid and offensive.
>
> There are other forums for your ignorance. Please
> take it there instead.
>
> _______________________ Marc Stager
>
> =========================================
>
> At 10/30/00, you wrote:
> >Do not open message from Carlos.
> >
> >This file: "Unknown09e4.data" was infected with the: "WScript.KakWorm"
virus.
> >
> >Brian Miller
> >Michigan
> >
> >If you confess... (religious rubbish deleted)
>
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Oct 31 03:30:43 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:30:43 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <OF1FCE2C5F.0C7CC8F9-ON86256989.000DB1CB@ac.com>



>From the Book of Matthew.  'Nuff said:
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they  |
|love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets,|
|that they may be seen of men.                                             |
|Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.                            |
|                                                                          |
|But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast    |
|shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which|
|seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.                                 |
|                                                                          |
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Oct 31 05:22:10 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:52:10 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
Message-ID: <00f301c042f2$236c68c0$42d60192@vsnl>

No Klaus, I do not think anybody in our forum is cheating or lying and that
is one reason I am part of this forum and regard every one in this forum
with affection for their belief and try my best to help them. In fact I have
got more help than my contribution( jokingly my virus input)
I got this info from this forum months back and I got a quote for CR7/
1000ZXL manuals arond this price - probably the price depends on the
manual - so I am not sure whether they will sell at the same price for zx7
manual?. In fact I got ( hopeless ) Dragon Manual from Naks Japan for 15
USD - I am in India not in US. In india printed matter does not attract
Customs duty. I think they would have charged Sales tax or VAt or something
in your country as you are in Germany. Probably I can order a manual for you
finding out whether they charge less because outside the country is the
source of Order. In fact I faxed my credit card first but they could not
draw money because of India allowing international acceptance of credit
cards recently - this is a big problem for us. As a compnay transferring
money and receiving USD regularly I know the cost of wire transfer is minmum
25 USD even you want to transfer 1 USD!; I took a bank draft - ( 0.2%
commission ) and I couriered it It took almost a month when I received the
manuals. Eventhough I do not have these Decks ( I am not sure whether I will
be able to see them in India) I just purchased this because of the low cost
compared to my BX1 service manual for 40 USD from US nak 6 years back!
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:39 PM
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7


>Kannan ,
>
>hopefully you do not think that I want to cheat around in any way ;-))
>I'm far away from cheating people who provide me with important
information.
>
>You were quite lucky to find a company selling you the manuals to that
price you mentioned below. I took a look in their database and found a price
of 45,- DM for each manual. And this price is without any shipping costs. So
I'm really confused how you made it to get them for such a low price without
having to pay any customs for them. A possible reason for that is because
you ordered them from outside Germany.
>
>So let me summarize whether I got everything correct:
>You paid 80,- DM for two service manuals including shipping costs to the
States (wow), additional 8 U$ for couriering the bank draft and some
additional bucks to get this draft from your bank. And nobody charged you
any customs, did they? If so I have to apologize to all NakTalkers for
writing complete nonsense about getting manuals in Germany. Guys: Never ask
a German resident for getting Nak manuals for you - order them directly and
save a lot of money.
>
>Background:
>A few weeks ago I sent a small parcel containing a 200 page documentation
to the states and had to pay about 36,- DM in the german post office in
order to get them over the ocean within 10 days. A normal small parcel
within Germany is about 10,- DM at the moment. So the price I gave to Gary
is something like this:
>Manual: 45,- DM
>PP (to me) 10,- DM (estimated for private shipping, could be more when
ordering from a company
>PP (from me to Gary) 36,- DM
>Altogether 91,- DM, equals to something like 40 U$ assuming 2,30 DM for the
U$
>
> Klaus
>
>> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Kannan. S [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
>> Gesendet am: Montag, 30. Oktober 2000 13:14
>> An: naktalk at naks.com
>> Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
>>
>> Dear Klaus
>> I had sent Bank draft in Euro to this german company for two service
>> manuals -costed me 80 Marks ( Deutch) including postagesince shipping
cost
>> is almost same for two manuals and I expect Us will be only around 45 DM
and
>> less than 25 USD. You can always take Bank draft which is the cheapest
but
>> you may spend around 8 USD or more for couriering the draft but much less
>> than wire transfer charges of almost 25 USD
>> Kannan
>>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Oct 31 05:25:55 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:55:55 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Money transfer
Message-ID: <010201c042f2$a96bb160$42d60192@vsnl>

I am with you and particularly couriers when they notice thin flat covers
look for such money and I have seen my friend losing hell lot of it this
way. Bank draft is veryy cheap and safe.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: george.m.hook at ac.com <george.m.hook at ac.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Money transfer


>
>
>Never, ever, send cash in the mail.  No receipts, no record, and,
>eventually, no cash.  (Well, send a buck or two for a fanzine, maybe, or to
>the Church of the Subgenius ....)
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Oct 31 05:37:23 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:07:23 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
Message-ID: <012501c042f4$43802960$42d60192@vsnl>

Check the features of 1000ZXL in Nak ftp server in brochures directory. 1000ZXL is much more sophisticated than 700 ZXL . But if it has problems you may have to send it to Stephen for alignment etc and if any part needs replacement - the stoy is a horror as parts are not easily available - for both. However if you are adventurous please bid for this 1000 ZXL - can be called really top of the line or state of the art cassette deck - god only knows why Nak stopped this flagship model? As far as our friends in this forum are around they manage to get these difficult parts around the world somehow. best of luck in bidding.
Kannan
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Adam Yousuf <adamyh at netvigator.com>
    To: Nak Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
    Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:28 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
    
    
    Hi guys,
     
    Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.  They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could possibly bid for the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.
     
    Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to know from those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and operability.
     
    Thanks!
    Adam
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Oct 31 05:43:51 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:13:51 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z problem
Message-ID: <012a01c042f5$2ad385a0$42d60192@vsnl>

Guys I had the opportunity to look at CR7/5 brochures from Scott' web site.
They are great and he will send you 300 DPI scans  if you request him- you
can directly print them on high quality colour printers and get almost
original brochures.
Wouter why don't you look at them - next to our Blues - he had posted great
looking collection of Nak manuals and brochures
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Johnson <p9019 at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 1:04 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482Z problem


>Thomas,
>
>I had a problem on my 480Z years ago and I think it
>was very similar.  I can't remember.  What I do
>>
>Scott Johnson
>
>BTW.  I started a little web site where I have
>scanning in many of my old Nakamichi brochures.  Tape
>decks as well as DAT, preamps, amps, CD players,
>receivers and even mobile sound products.  It's still
>in the works and there are several links to images
>that don't exist yet.  The URL is www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi.
>
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>Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf!  It's FREE.
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Tue Oct 31 08:08:44 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:08:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Money transfer
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F0024859BD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

Graham, you should have sent Euro's....then you would have made money
by subtraction.

Cheers,
Raul

-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 1:18 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Money transfer


As someone who works in a bank, and also as one who's also had a bad
experience with sending cash, I would NEVER recommend this to anyone.  I
bought a low value item on e-Bay and sent cash - a £5 note because to have
done this via the bank would have cost be another £5 on top for them to
issue a DM cheque.  The cash apparently never arrived.  I sent another £5
note and - guess what?  That didn't arrive either!  Cheapest I've found so
far is BidPay for out of US when buying via e-Bay - costs $5, which is
cheaper than my bank will do even for me as a member of their staff!

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> POLLET Eddy
> Sent: 30 October 2000 17:09
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Money transfer
>
>
> Hi big spenders :-)
>
> To me, the easiest way to transfer money, is just in cash ... hide it in a
> sheet of paper folded around it and put it in an envelope in relatively
> thick paper . Especially for not so big amounts, I think this is
> the way to
> go ... even if it would get lost 1 time out of 10 (which -as far
> as I know-
> isn't the case ), you'd still be much cheaper than in any other way .
>
> Eddy
>
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Tue Oct 31 08:58:31 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:58:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36E9@MCHH214E>

Kannan, Gary (and all others who are interessted),

I rechecked the page were I found the information and found out what the error was:
I only took a look into a printed table where a price for the ZX-7 service manual of 45,- DM was listed.
After inserting it into my "shopping basket" I found the the correct price was 23,50 DM. So that's it Kannan, I now can follow what you have paid for the manuals.

All guys who are interessed in prices for all kind of Nakamichi manuals check the following page:
http://www.elv.de/ (these guys seem to have the same prices and the same wrong tables like http://www.schaltungsdienst.de)

For those guys who have problem reading german sites I give a little translation of the links to be used:
Chose "Service"
On the following page chose "Schaltungs-Service"
On the following page chose "HiFi"

On  the following page enter "Nakamichi", click "Suchen" and wait until the table has loaded (could last a few moments)
You also can chose the desired model directly, by choosing Nakamichi in the available menu where "bitte wählen" is preselected

A last point:
Be sure to put the desired manual into your shopping basket ("In den Warenkorb legen") to see the correct price

Sorry again for posting wrong prices without further checkings.

	Klaus

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Kannan. S [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> Gesendet am:	Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2000 05:22
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
> 
> No Klaus, I do not think anybody in our forum is cheating or lying and that
> is one reason I am part of this forum and regard every one in this forum
> with affection for their belief and try my best to help them. In fact I have
> got more help than my contribution( jokingly my virus input)
> I got this info from this forum months back and I got a quote for CR7/
> 1000ZXL manuals arond this price - probably the price depends on the
> manual - so I am not sure whether they will sell at the same price for zx7
> manual?. In fact I got ( hopeless ) Dragon Manual from Naks Japan for 15
> USD - I am in India not in US. In india printed matter does not attract
> Customs duty. I think they would have charged Sales tax or VAt or something
> in your country as you are in Germany. Probably I can order a manual for you
> finding out whether they charge less because outside the country is the
> source of Order. In fact I faxed my credit card first but they could not
> draw money because of India allowing international acceptance of credit
> cards recently - this is a big problem for us. As a compnay transferring
> money and receiving USD regularly I know the cost of wire transfer is minmum
> 25 USD even you want to transfer 1 USD!; I took a bank draft - ( 0.2%
> commission ) and I couriered it It took almost a month when I received the
> manuals. Eventhough I do not have these Decks ( I am not sure whether I will
> be able to see them in India) I just purchased this because of the low cost
> compared to my BX1 service manual for 40 USD from US nak 6 years back!
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
> To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:39 PM
> Subject: AW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
> 
> 
> >Kannan ,
> >
> >hopefully you do not think that I want to cheat around in any way ;-))
> >I'm far away from cheating people who provide me with important
> information.
> >
> >You were quite lucky to find a company selling you the manuals to that
> price you mentioned below. I took a look in their database and found a price
> of 45,- DM for each manual. And this price is without any shipping costs. So
> I'm really confused how you made it to get them for such a low price without
> having to pay any customs for them. A possible reason for that is because> 
> you ordered them from outside Germany.
> >
> >So let me summarize whether I got everything correct:
> >You paid 80,- DM for two service manuals including shipping costs to the
> States (wow), additional 8 U$ for couriering the bank draft and some
> additional bucks to get this draft from your bank. And nobody charged you
> any customs, did they? If so I have to apologize to all NakTalkers for
> writing complete nonsense about getting manuals in Germany. Guys: Never ask
> a German resident for getting Nak manuals for you - order them directly and
> save a lot of money.
> >
> >Background:
> >A few weeks ago I sent a small parcel containing a 200 page documentation
> to the states and had to pay about 36,- DM in the german post office in
> order to get them over the ocean within 10 days. A normal small parcel
> within Germany is about 10,- DM at the moment. So the price I gave to Gary
> is something like this:
> >Manual: 45,- DM
> >PP (to me) 10,- DM (estimated for private shipping, could be more when
> ordering from a company
> >PP (from me to Gary) 36,- DM
> >Altogether 91,- DM, equals to something like 40 U$ assuming 2,30 DM for the
> U$
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> >> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: Kannan. S [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> >> Gesendet am: Montag, 30. Oktober 2000 13:14
> >> An: naktalk at naks.com
> >> Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
> >>
> >> Dear Klaus
> >> I had sent Bank draft in Euro to this german company for two service
> >> manuals -costed me 80 Marks ( Deutch) including postagesince shipping
> cost
> >> is almost same for two manuals and I expect Us will be only around 45 DM
> and
> >> less than 25 USD. You can always take Bank draft which is the cheapest
> but
> >> you may spend around 8 USD or more for couriering the draft but much less
> >> than wire transfer charges of almost 25 USD
> >> Kannan
> >>
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Tue Oct 31 09:51:48 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:51:48 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <94.b6cd980.272fe224@aol.com>

Ditto here also. I mentioned once before regarding this. I too get tired of 
seeing it. A religious talk group would be the best place to write that stuff.

California John.
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Oct 31 13:50:25 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:50:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
References: <003701c04260$ae2ad470$5a7cc6cb@adamhomepc> <001101c042cd$eb7de840$a6312ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <004301c04339$23f66100$c8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

You have a virus.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carlos 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL


  I have both and all I can say is that the 1000 ZXL is a completely different animal. On the second hand market, it all depends on the conditions of both. The 700 ZXl is more prone to problems than its counterpart. At least, that's the general consensus. If both are in good condition, I'll always choose the 1000's. By the way, that is if you have extra space to accomodate her since it's much bigger than the 700's and heavier too.

  The Tape Man
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Adam Yousuf 
    To: Nak Talk 
    Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:00 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL


    Hi guys,

    Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.  They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could possibly bid for the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.

    Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to know from those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and operability.

    Thanks!
    Adam
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Tue Oct 31 14:24:03 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:24:03 +0100
Subject: AW: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36F0@MCHH214E>

Hi John,

you got the virus, too . . .

	Klaus (hopefully without any viruses)

> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net]
> Gesendet am:	Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2000 13:50
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
> 
> You have a virus.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Carlos 
>   To: naktalk at naks.com 
>   Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:02 PM
>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
> 
> 
>   I have both and all I can say is that the 1000 ZXL is a completely different animal. On the second hand market, it all depends on the conditions of both. The 700 ZXl is more prone to problems than its counterpart. At least, that's the general consensus. If both are in good condition, I'll always choose the 1000's. By the way, that is if you have extra space to accomodate her since it's much bigger than the 700's and heavier too.
> 
>   The Tape Man
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: Adam Yousuf 
>     To: Nak Talk 
>     Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:00 AM
>     Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
> 
> 
>     Hi guys,
> 
>     Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.  They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could possibly bid for the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.
> 
>     Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to know from those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and operability.
> 
>     Thanks!
>     Adam
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 31 16:09:58 2000
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:09:58 EET
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
Message-ID: <F268BSG8iQkf6etlmIW00003f3d@hotmail.com>

Hi guys,

I keep opening these infected E-mails with my IE 5.5, then I run both the 
latest Norton and McAfee cleaners and they can't find anything anywhere on 
my PC ? Am I missing something ? I apologise for the non-Nak subject, but it 
seems important to me, since e-mail is how we communicate.

George


----Original Message Follows----
From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: AW: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:24:03 +0100

Hi John,

you got the virus, too . . .

	Klaus (hopefully without any viruses)

 > -----Urspr> �ngliche Nachricht-----
 > Von:	John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net]
 > Gesendet am:	Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2000 13:50
 > An:	naktalk at naks.com
 > Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
 >
 > You have a virus.
 >   ----- Original Message -----
 >   From: Carlos
 >   To: naktalk at naks.com
 >   Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:02 PM
 >   Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
 >
 >
 >   I have both and all I can say is that the 1000 ZXL is a completely 
different animal. On the second hand market, it all depends on the 
conditions of both. The 700 ZXl is more prone to problems than its 
counterpart. At least, that's the general consensus. If both are in good 
condition, I'll always choose the 1000's. By the way, that is if you have 
extra space to accomodate her since it's much bigger than the 700's and 
heavier too.
 >
 >   The Tape Man
 >     ----- Original Message -----
 >     From: Adam Yousuf
 >     To: Nak Talk
 >     Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:00 AM
 >     Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
 >
 >
 >     Hi guys,
 >
 >     Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.  
They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could possibly bid for 
the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.
 >
 >     Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to know from 
those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and operability.
 >
 >     Thanks!
 >     Adam
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Tue Oct 31 16:09:53 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:09:53 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
In-Reply-To: <F268BSG8iQkf6etlmIW00003f3d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAEEICDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>

I agree with George - I am lost too about viruses in e-mail messages. How
can the body/text of an e-mail contain a virus? I understand if the e-mail
had a file attachment, but not the body.

Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
George Valkov
Sent: Tue, October 31, 2000 10:10 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping


Hi guys,

I keep opening these infected E-mails with my IE 5.5, then I run both the
latest Norton and McAfee cleaners and they can't find anything anywhere on
my PC ? Am I missing something ? I apologise for the non-Nak subject, but it
seems important to me, since e-mail is how we communicate.

George


 >   The Tape Man
 >     ----- Original Message -----
 >     From: Adam Yousuf
 >     To: Nak Talk
 >     Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:00 AM
 >     Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
 >
 >
 >     Hi guys,
 >
 >     Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.
They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could possibly bid for
the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.
 >
 >     Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to know from
those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and operability.
 >
 >     Thanks!
 >     Adam
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From nicy at jet.es  Tue Oct 31 17:16:11 2000
From: nicy at jet.es (javier)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:16:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany
References: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36E9@MCHH214E>
Message-ID: <001d01c04355$e4391040$2e60253e@w0j7k7>

Hi,
Oly one question: These manuals are in English or German language?
Javier (Spain)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fendt Klaus" <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:58 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany


> Kannan, Gary (and all others who are interessted),
>
> I rechecked the page were I found the information and found out what the
error was:
> I only took a look into a printed table where a price for the ZX-7 service
manual of 45,- DM was listed.
> After inserting it into my "shopping basket" I found the the correct price
was 23,50 DM. So that's it Kannan, I now can follow what you have paid for
the manuals.
>
> All guys who are interessed in prices for all kind of Nakamichi manuals
check the following page:
> http://www.elv.de/ (these guys seem to have the same prices and the same
wrong tables like http://www.schaltungsdienst.de)
>
> For those guys who have problem reading german sites I give a little
translation of the links to be used:
> Chose "Service"
> On the following page chose "Schaltungs-Service"
> On the following page chose "HiFi"
>
> On  the following page enter "Nakamichi", click "Suchen" and wait until
the table has loaded (could last a few moments)
> You also can chose the desired model directly, by choosing Nakamichi in
the available menu where "bitte wählen" is preselected
>
> A last point:
> Be sure to put the desired manual into your shopping basket ("In den
Warenkorb legen") to see the correct price
>
> Sorry again for posting wrong prices without further checkings.
>
> Klaus
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Kannan. S [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> > Gesendet am: Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2000 05:22
> > An: naktalk at naks.com
> > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
> >
> > No Klaus, I do not think anybody in our forum is cheating or lying and
that
> > is one reason I am part of this forum and regard every one in this forum
> > with affection for their belief and try my best to help them. In fact I
have
> > got more help than my contribution( jokingly my virus input)
> > I got this info from this forum months back and I got a quote for CR7/
> > 1000ZXL manuals arond this price - probably the price depends on the
> > manual - so I am not sure whether they will sell at the same price for
zx7
> > manual?. In fact I got ( hopeless ) Dragon Manual from Naks Japan for 15
> > USD - I am in India not in US. In india printed matter does not attract
> > Customs duty. I think they would have charged Sales tax or VAt or
something
> > in your country as you are in Germany. Probably I can order a manual for
you
> > finding out whether they charge less because outside the country is the
> > source of Order. In fact I faxed my credit card first but they could not
> > draw money because of India allowing international acceptance of credit
> > cards recently - this is a big problem for us. As a compnay transferring
> > money and receiving USD regularly I know the cost of wire transfer is
minmum
> > 25 USD even you want to transfer 1 USD!; I took a bank draft - ( 0.2%
> > commission ) and I couriered it It took almost a month when I received
the
> > manuals. Eventhough I do not have these Decks ( I am not sure whether I
will
> > be able to see them in India) I just purchased this because of the low
cost
> > compared to my BX1 service manual for 40 USD from US nak 6 years back!
> > Kannan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
> > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:39 PM
> > Subject: AW: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
> >
> >
> > >Kannan ,
> > >
> > >hopefully you do not think that I want to cheat around in any way ;-))
> > >I'm far away from cheating people who provide me with important
> > information.
> > >
> > >You were quite lucky to find a company selling you the manuals to that
> > price you mentioned below. I took a look in their database and found a
price
> > of 45,- DM for each manual. And this price is without any shipping
costs. So
> > I'm really confused how you made it to get them for such a low price
without
> > having to pay any customs for them. A possible reason for that is
because>
> > you ordered them from outside Germany.
> > >
> > >So let me summarize whether I got everything correct:
> > >You paid 80,- DM for two service manuals including shipping costs to
the
> > States (wow), additional 8 U$ for couriering the bank draft and some
> > additional bucks to get this draft from your bank. And nobody charged
you
> > any customs, did they? If so I have to apologize to all NakTalkers for
> > writing complete nonsense about getting manuals in Germany. Guys: Never
ask
> > a German resident for getting Nak manuals for you - order them directly
and
> > save a lot of money.
> > >
> > >Background:
> > >A few weeks ago I sent a small parcel containing a 200 page
documentation
> > to the states and had to pay about 36,- DM in the german post office in
> > order to get them over the ocean within 10 days. A normal small parcel
> > within Germany is about 10,- DM at the moment. So the price I gave to
Gary
> > is something like this:
> > >Manual: 45,- DM
> > >PP (to me) 10,- DM (estimated for private shipping, could be more when
> > ordering from a company
> > >PP (from me to Gary) 36,- DM
> > >Altogether 91,- DM, equals to something like 40 U$ assuming 2,30 DM for
the
> > U$
> > >
> > > Klaus
> > >
> > >> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> > >> Von: Kannan. S [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> > >> Gesendet am: Montag, 30. Oktober 2000 13:14
> > >> An: naktalk at naks.com
> > >> Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service Manual for ZX-7
> > >>
> > >> Dear Klaus
> > >> I had sent Bank draft in Euro to this german company for two service
> > >> manuals -costed me 80 Marks ( Deutch) including postagesince shipping
> > cost
> > >> is almost same for two manuals and I expect Us will be only around 45
DM
> > and
> > >> less than 25 USD. You can always take Bank draft which is the
cheapest
> > but
> > >> you may spend around 8 USD or more for couriering the draft but much
less
> > >> than wire transfer charges of almost 25 USD
> > >> Kannan
> > >>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Oct 31 17:10:31 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:10:31 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
References: <NDBBLFHPELODKPKLBMPGAEEICDAA.targowski@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <000701c04355$19880680$0100007f@localhost>

Hi,
Messages from Carlos are not plain text! It's HTML files.
You can simple see the source of the files - and you will find
that three lines messages has size of 9 kB. Those messages
contains executable scripts that will damage security of your
machine.

Misha


> I agree with George - I am lost too about viruses in e-mail messages. How
> can the body/text of an e-mail contain a virus? I understand if the e-mail
> had a file attachment, but not the body.
>
> Stan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> George Valkov
> Sent: Tue, October 31, 2000 10:10 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I keep opening these infected E-mails with my IE 5.5, then I run both the
> latest Norton and McAfee cleaners and they can't find anything anywhere on
> my PC ? Am I missing something ? I apologise for the non-Nak subject, but
it
> seems important to me, since e-mail is how we communicate.
>
> George
>
>
>  >   The Tape Man
>  >     ----- Original Message -----
>  >     From: Adam Yousuf
>  >     To: Nak Talk
>  >     Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:00 AM
>  >     Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
>  >
>  >
>  >     Hi guys,
>  >
>  >     Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.
> They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could possibly bid
for
> the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.
>  >
>  >     Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to know
from
> those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and
operability.
>  >
>  >     Thanks!
>  >     Adam
>
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Oct 31 18:17:04 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:17:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
In-Reply-To: <000701c04355$19880680$0100007f@localhost>
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Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001031120715.021443d0@mail.flashcom.net>

At 10/31/00, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Messages from Carlos are not plain text! It's HTML files.
>You can simple see the source of the files - and you will find
>that three lines messages have a size of 9 kB. Those messages
>contains executable scripts that will damage security of your
>machine.
>
>Misha

===================

Another reason to use Eudora:

In Eudora Options you can choose not to select "Allow executables
in HTML content" in the "Viewing mail" category.

This way any HTML content, regardless of whatever virus it may
carry, will remain harmless.

Having a choice in this matter can prevent a lot of problems before
they begin, unlike the pro-virus Microsoft Outlook.

____________________________ Marc Stager






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From schatham at interpath.com  Tue Oct 31 19:17:51 2000
From: schatham at interpath.com (Steve Chatham)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:17:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
In-Reply-To: <04ff01c042dd$90833f20$30021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <000001c04366$f2837300$4e2b140a@interpath.net>

What I do not like is having the extra bandwidth that I have to pay for for
taglines which seldom if ever add anything to the discussion.

IMO, the only taglines for this list should be the ones that Naktalk might
generate.  Any others IMO are off topic.

Steve

<<The scripture is part of my
"signature", it automatically attaches when I reply to mail.>>

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From DJBrown96 at aol.com  Tue Oct 31 19:16:39 2000
From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:16:39 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <af.283ea46.27306687@aol.com>

My, my, my...there seems to be a lot of INTOLERANCE on this web site lately. 
In this day and age of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, one would think that everyone 
would be a little more SENSITIVE to the feelings of others.
May I suggest that if you are RELIGION PHOBIC, you don't have to read all of 
the posts on this, or any other web site. Engage in a little bit of SELF 
CENSORSHIP by selecting what you choose to read, not by proclaiming what 
others should read!
BTW, I am not a "Bible Thumper," but neither am I a "Computer Geek." I 
tolerate their posts, I just choose not to read them.
Keep on Nakin!  Dennis
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From DJBrown96 at aol.com  Tue Oct 31 19:52:32 2000
From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:52:32 EST
Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <8.c252881.27306ef0@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/31/00 10:23:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
schatham at interpath.com writes:

<< Any others IMO are off topic. >>
Well, I guess opinions are like...elbows, everyone has one.


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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Oct 31 19:56:08 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:56:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL - VIRUS ALERT
References: <003701c04260$ae2ad470$5a7cc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <39FF15C8.80B3F00D@concentric.net>


NakTalkers,

I keep getting a virus alert on this thread. Please
check your computers.

-- Ron
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Tue Oct 31 20:03:13 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:03:13 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <82.2335956.27307172@aol.com>

Wow. Why does it always seem to be a one way street w/ these religious 
zealots? My way or the highway comes to mind. And religion phobic? That's a 
strong statement. As for the political correctness, how bout the religious 
folks being a little sensative to My feelings. A simple request to not post 
the religious stuff. That's all. 
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From RAH555nica at aol.com  Tue Oct 31 20:08:30 2000
From: RAH555nica at aol.com (RAH555nica at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:08:30 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Virus thumping
Message-ID: <56.2a553d3.273072ae@aol.com>

Hi all....It would seem we all can get infected with infinitely the worst 
most unpleasant kind of VIRUS now. The Psychological  Kind.
NicaDJ...... Nak-On!!!
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From schatham at interpath.com  Tue Oct 31 20:15:58 2000
From: schatham at interpath.com (Steven Chatham)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:15:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <396BDCC1@webmail.interpath.net>

<<My, my, my...there seems to be a lot of INTOLERANCE on this web site lately.
In this day and age of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, one would think that everyone
would be a little more SENSITIVE to the feelings of others.>>

And what does this have to do with taglines wasting bandwidth that I MUST PAY 
FOR, but do not read?

<<May I suggest that if you are RELIGION PHOBIC, you don't have to read all of
the posts on this, or any other web site. Engage in a little bit of SELF
CENSORSHIP by selecting what you choose to read, not by proclaiming what
others should read!>>

Then that ought to work the other way, too.  I have to pay for the bandwidth I 
use.  Please be on-topic, and try to not post taglines in these posts at all.  
It is a courtesy, something to be cognizant of to others who may not have the 
same online benefits as you.  Those extraneous taglines cost me money.  It may 
be only a fractional amount, but it costs, nevertheless.

<<BTW, I am not a "Bible Thumper," but neither am I a "Computer Geek." I
tolerate their posts, I just choose not to read them.>>

I don't care if you're thumping bibles, soliciting for charity or selling 
crack, if it's not NAK related, then it doesn't belong here!

BTW - does anyone have a pdf of a BX100?

Thanks,

Steve


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From jacook at ibm.net  Tue Oct 31 20:40:18 2000
From: jacook at ibm.net (Jeff Cook)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:40:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
References: <000001c04366$f2837300$4e2b140a@interpath.net>
Message-ID: <39FF2021.E4ACD440@ibm.net>


Well if this isn't about the most specious bit of reasoning, I don't
know what is.  The tagline you're objecting to consumes all of 235
Bytes of data.  Bytes.  If this is enough to cause you such difficulty,
then you're in a world of hurt.

Seems the least you could do is to have the courage to be up front
about your censorist views, and not hide behind a bunch of lame
whining about 'bandwidth'.

If the online world doesn't have room for one person's views, then
it doesn't have room for yours either.  Be careful what you wish for.

Jeff Cook

Steve Chatham wrote:

> What I do not like is having the extra bandwidth that I have to pay for for
> taglines which seldom if ever add anything to the discussion.
>
> IMO, the only taglines for this list should be the ones that Naktalk might
> generate.  Any others IMO are off topic.
>
> Steve

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 31 20:29:40 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:29:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany
References: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36E9@MCHH214E>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE36kJSFsxf4yp8000000e4@hotmail.com>

Klaus, I have some questions ...
If I recall, you said sometimes ago that the manuals available at
http://www.elv.de/ was xeroxed copies ... am I wrong ?
Are these manuals complete ?
Have you ever got a look at their quality ?

Thanks!
Matyas

_______________________________________

Kannan, Gary (and all others who are interessted),

I rechecked the page were I found the information and found out what the
error was:
I only took a look into a printed table where a price for the ZX-7 service
manual of 45,- DM was listed.
After inserting it into my "shopping basket" I found the the correct price
was 23,50 DM. So that's it Kannan, I now can follow what you have paid for
the manuals.

All guys who are interessed in prices for all kind of Nakamichi manuals
check the following page:
http://www.elv.de/ (these guys seem to have the same prices and the same
wrong tables like http://www.schaltungsdienst.de)

For those guys who have problem reading german sites I give a little
translation of the links to be used:
Chose "Service"
On the following page chose "Schaltungs-Service"
On the following page chose "HiFi"

On  the following page enter "Nakamichi", click "Suchen" and wait until the
table has loaded (could last a few moments)
You also can chose the desired model directly, by choosing Nakamichi in the
available menu where "bitte wählen" is preselected

A last point:
Be sure to put the desired manual into your shopping basket ("In den
Warenkorb legen") to see the correct price

Sorry again for posting wrong prices without further checkings.

Klaus



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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 31 20:35:32 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:35:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification
References: <39FA0031.188C46D1@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE61Xix4A2DreBB000001f0@hotmail.com>

Hello Ron !

Lucky you to finally find your due in that jungle !

I am very interested in your experience with that modfication ...

Does the equalisation mod touch to C112 & C212 or C114/214 of rec amp ?
I wonder because the output line Op amp of the Dragon use the same coupling
cap (47 uF) in the feedback loop. Since I own the CR-7 service manual, I
remark the kindred design of their output amps.
The CR-7 use a faster and j-FET input op amp (njm 082DE) and does NOT have
that coupling cap.
I guess (refer RX505 manual, it has the SAME output amp than Dragon) that
cap is used in offset control duties.
But it has a very unpleasent color to me ... as syntethic timbres and boomy
bass... and in the Dragon, there is ever DC leakage at its output jacks...
so this cap didn't apeall me as much ...

I have shorted that coupling cap for a long, the DC leakage had increase,
but I prefer very much its sound by now.
It is more natural than before, in the same amount of sensitivity and sound
wise you wrotes below.
Understantable, considering the major part of the AC component that transit
into that cap...

But talking about rec amp, I am very inerested on that mod sheet because
Dragon & CR-7 have the same EQ arround rec amp; the CR-7 EQ modification in
that case fit NOT only for itself but as well for Dragon, RX-505 and any
'new' Nak deck using that rec circuit (I guess it might exist some...)

Can you give me any information on the procedure ?

Kind regards,
Matyas
__________________________________________
> So, last weekend I finally installed the upgrade in my
> CR-7a. I was careful not to disturb the internal
> adjustments; these will have to be done later. I then
> reconnected the deck and did some listening tests. I am
> very surprised at the results... Here they are.
>
> First, PB of previously recorded tapes is identical, to
> my ears, to what it was before. That's not surprising,
> since the upgrade affects only the recording equalization
> circuits. Second, unexpectedly, on newly recorded tapes,
> bass is improved -- both in extension and volume. It is
> not excessive or boomy in any way, just tighter and
> very pleasantly improved. Lower strings (contrabass) and
> timpani now come across as almost tangible sounds.
> Wonderful! I wonder if this will be retained after the
> deck is calibrated properly...
>
> Third (and this is the most baffling phenomenon), I do
> not perceive extension of the higher frequencies, but
> clearly hear improvement in highs quality. The highs
> are silky smooth -- smoother than before -- and airy.
> I couldn't believe my ears, there is no reason for
> lower treble distortion.
>
> The differences are not night-and-day, but still,
> inescapable. Based on all this, I would recommend
> this upgrade to older CR-7 owners.
>
> This has been longer than anticipated... Thanks to
> anyone that's still with me...
>
> Have a good night,
>
> -- Ron

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 31 21:05:00 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:05:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
References: <396BDCC1@webmail.interpath.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE20FLaqSOc7wo900001743@hotmail.com>

> BTW - does anyone have a pdf of a BX100?

Hmmm ... I trust you will be forced to pay it !!!!

Matyas
____________________________________

> And what does this have to do with taglines wasting bandwidth that I MUST
PAY  FOR, but do not read?
>

>
> Then that ought to work the other way, too.  I have to pay for the
bandwidth I
> use.  Please be on-topic, and try to not post taglines in these posts at
all.
> It is a courtesy, something to be cognizant of to others who may not have
the
> same online benefits as you.  Those extraneous taglines cost me money.  It
may
> be only a fractional amount, but it costs, nevertheless.
>
> <<BTW, I am not a "Bible Thumper," but neither am I a "Computer Geek." I
> tolerate their posts, I just choose not to read them.>>
>
> I don't care if you're thumping bibles, soliciting for charity or selling
> crack, if it's not NAK related, then it doesn't belong here!
>
> BTW - does anyone have a pdf of a BX100?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
>



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From schatham at interpath.com  Tue Oct 31 21:34:34 2000
From: schatham at interpath.com (Steven Chatham)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:34:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <396BE48E@webmail.interpath.net>

>Hmmm ... I trust you will be forced to pay it !!!!

At least its by my choice, and not off-topic drivel that everyone else seems 
to want to foist upon all of the list's members who do NOT have a choice.

If you have taglines, please turn the damn things off.  It is a simple 
request.

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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Oct 31 22:41:17 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:41:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification
References: <39FA0031.188C46D1@concentric.net> <LAW-OE61Xix4A2DreBB000001f0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39FF3C7D.BBF83A46@concentric.net>

Matyas,

The modification does not involve C112/C212 and C114/214.

Quite frankly, I would be extremely cautious of applying
this modification to Dragons or any other model. Nakamichi 
recommends that this modification *not* be done even for
CR-7, but at least, they designed and tested it on this
model. That area of the circuit is critical as to placement
of components and it is easy to butcher a perfectly good
deck... It is definitely not a DIY job. In addition, it
must be followed by complete recalibration of the circuit.
I will definitely not rely on my CR-7 for recording until
Stephen fully realigns it.

BTW, it is not clear to me what you mean by 'output
coupling cap'. C112 guarantees that the DC gain of IC305
is x1 (while the AC gain is a function of the attached
equalization network). If it was leaking, it should be
replaced with a good cap, not shorted out. If there is
any DC at the output of IC305, it will be applied to the
record head, magnetize it and cause distortion.

Regards,

-- Ron


Matyas wrote:
> 
> Hello Ron !
> 
> Lucky you to finally find your due in that jungle !
> 
> I am very interested in your experience with that modfication ...
> 
> Does the equalisation mod touch to C112 & C212 or C114/214 of rec amp ?
> I wonder because the output line Op amp of the Dragon use the same coupling
> cap (47 uF) in the feedback loop. Since I own the CR-7 service manual, I
> remark the kindred design of their output amps.
> The CR-7 use a faster and j-FET input op amp (njm 082DE) and does NOT have
> that coupling cap.
> I guess (refer RX505 manual, it has the SAME output amp than Dragon) that
> cap is used in offset control duties.
> But it has a very unpleasent color to me ... as syntethic timbres and boomy
> bass... and in the Dragon, there is ever DC leakage at its output jacks...
> so this cap didn't apeall me as much ...
> 
> I have shorted that coupling cap for a long, the DC leakage had increase,
> but I prefer very much its sound by now.
> It is more natural than before, in the same amount of sensitivity and sound
> wise you wrotes below.
> Understantable, considering the major part of the AC component that transit
> into that cap...
> 
> But talking about rec amp, I am very inerested on that mod sheet because
> Dragon & CR-7 have the same EQ arround rec amp; the CR-7 EQ modification in
> that case fit NOT only for itself but as well for Dragon, RX-505 and any
> 'new' Nak deck using that rec circuit (I guess it might exist some...)
> 
> Can you give me any information on the procedure ?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Matyas
> __________________________________________
> > So, last weekend I finally installed the upgrade in my
> > CR-7a. I was careful not to disturb the internal
> > adjustments; these will have to be done later. I then
> > reconnected the deck and did some listening tests. I am
> > very surprised at the results... Here they are.
> >
> > First, PB of previously recorded tapes is identical, to
> > my ears, to what it was before. That's not surprising,
> > since the upgrade affects only the recording equalization
> > circuits. Second, unexpectedly, on newly recorded tapes,
> > bass is improved -- both in extension and volume. It is
> > not excessive or boomy in any way, just tighter and
> > very pleasantly improved. Lower strings (contrabass) and
> > timpani now come across as almost tangible sounds.
> > Wonderful! I wonder if this will be retained after the
> > deck is calibrated properly...
> >
> > Third (and this is the most baffling phenomenon), I do
> > not perceive extension of the higher frequencies, but
> > clearly hear improvement in highs quality. The highs
> > are silky smooth -- smoother than before -- and airy.
> > I couldn't believe my ears, there is no reason for
> > lower treble distortion.
> >
> > The differences are not night-and-day, but still,
> > inescapable. Based on all this, I would recommend
> > this upgrade to older CR-7 owners.
> >
> > This has been longer than anticipated... Thanks to
> > anyone that's still with me...
> >
> > Have a good night,
> >
> > -- Ron
> 
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From schatham at interpath.com  Wed Nov  1 00:09:43 2000
From: schatham at interpath.com (Steve Chatham)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:09:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
In-Reply-To: <39FF2021.E4ACD440@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <000701c0438f$c2ebee00$4e2b140a@interpath.net>

Jeff:

Is this a threat?

All I had asked is that people don't post taglines here, as some have to PAY
for receiving data like that.  While you trivialized it by saying it is only
235 bytes, I still have to pay for how much I download and connect time.
And, to my last recollection, it still took 100 pennies to make a dollar.

Just don't post taglines in this forum. I've asked, and if you don't want to
honor it, then I assume Wouter might remove one or both of us from this
list.  I hope it's you, because I do enjoy the forum, and will admit if I am
wrong.

Steve



<<If the online world doesn't have room for one person's views, then it
doesn't have room for yours either.  Be careful what you wish for.>>

> Jeff Cook

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Nov  1 00:26:38 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:26:38 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
In-Reply-To: <F268BSG8iQkf6etlmIW00003f3d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c04392$0455ec40$6b6143d4@a4s1s2>

George

I'm picking up the virus with McAfee Active Shield.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> George Valkov
> Sent: 31 October 2000 16:10
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I keep opening these infected E-mails with my IE 5.5, then I run both the
> latest Norton and McAfee cleaners and they can't find anything
> anywhere on
> my PC ? Am I missing something ? I apologise for the non-Nak
> subject, but it
> seems important to me, since e-mail is how we communicate.
>
> George
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
> Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: AW: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:24:03 +0100
>
> Hi John,
>
> you got the virus, too . . .
>
> 	Klaus (hopefully without any viruses)
>
>  > -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
>  > Von:	John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net]
>  > Gesendet am:	Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2000 13:50
>  > An:	naktalk at naks.com
>  > Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
>  >
>  > You have a virus.
>  >   ----- Original Message -----
>  >   From: Carlos
>  >   To: naktalk at naks.com
>  >   Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:02 PM
>  >   Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
>  >
>  >
>  >   I have both and all I can say is that the 1000 ZXL is a completely
> different animal. On the second hand market, it all depends on the
> conditions of both. The 700 ZXl is more prone to problems than its
> counterpart. At least, that's the general consensus. If both are in good
> condition, I'll always choose the 1000's. By the way, that is if you have
> extra space to accomodate her since it's much bigger than the 700's and
> heavier too.
>  >
>  >   The Tape Man
>  >     ----- Original Message -----
>  >     From: Adam Yousuf
>  >     To: Nak Talk
>  >     Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:00 AM
>  >     Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
>  >
>  >
>  >     Hi guys,
>  >
>  >     Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.
> They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could
> possibly bid for
> the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.
>  >
>  >     Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to
> know from
> those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and
> operability.
>  >
>  >     Thanks!
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Nov  1 00:26:45 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:26:45 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
In-Reply-To: <396BE48E@webmail.interpath.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c04392$08c9c120$6b6143d4@a4s1s2>

Girls!   STOP IT!!!    You're clogging up my In Box!!!   Surely there are
more important things to argue about than this, on or off topic?

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Steven Chatham
> Sent: 31 October 2000 20:35
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bible thumping where it doesn't belong.
>
>
> >Hmmm ... I trust you will be forced to pay it !!!!
>
> At least its by my choice, and not off-topic drivel that everyone
> else seems
> to want to foist upon all of the list's members who do NOT have a choice.
>
> If you have taglines, please turn the damn things off.  It is a simple
> request.
>
> Steve
>
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From mariano at starnet.net.ph  Wed Nov  1 00:45:18 2000
From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:45:18 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Virus WARNING from Carlos message
References: <003701c04260$ae2ad470$5a7cc6cb@adamhomepc> <001101c042cd$eb7de840$a6312ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c04394$b5bf2e40$570ab0cb@mariano>

Hello Carlos:

I am sure you were not aware but you were forwarding email with a virus in it.

I am particularly very much interested in postings coming from you and read every word so I missed this particular post. Would you resend after you check your computer! 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carlos 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL


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From mariano at starnet.net.ph  Wed Nov  1 01:07:22 2000
From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:07:22 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
References: <000001c04366$f2837300$4e2b140a@interpath.net> <39FF2021.E4ACD440@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <00e501c04397$b5b90c60$570ab0cb@mariano>

Mr. Steve Chatham:

Stop wasting everybody's time AND everybody's bandwith too.

DO NOT EVEN REPLY, just curl up and lurk in some dark corner, a beach or a
jungle.

Mariano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Cook" <jacook at ibm.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.


>
> Well if this isn't about the most specious bit of reasoning, I don't
> know what is.  The tagline you're objecting to consumes all of 235
> Bytes of data.  Bytes.  If this is enough to cause you such difficulty,
> then you're in a world of hurt.
>
> Seems the least you could do is to have the courage to be up front
> about your censorist views, and not hide behind a bunch of lame
> whining about 'bandwidth'.
>
> If the online world doesn't have room for one person's views, then
> it doesn't have room for yours either.  Be careful what you wish for.
>
> Jeff Cook
>
> Steve Chatham wrote:
>
> > What I do not like is having the extra bandwidth that I have to pay for
for
> > taglines which seldom if ever add anything to the discussion.
> >
> > IMO, the only taglines for this list should be the ones that Naktalk
might
> > generate.  Any others IMO are off topic.
> >
> > Steve
>
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  1 09:43:03 2000
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 09:43:03 EET
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
Message-ID: <F346xfPTeip68V8zDv600004de7@hotmail.com>

Graham,

I use the same plus the Norton 2001 Antivirus - and they don't find anything 
on my PC. I followed a link to Symantec that someone was kind enough to post 
on the list and I found there was a patch for IE 5.0 solving the "worm" 
problem. Would that mean that IE 5.5 (being the latest version) has this 
protection incorporated, hence I don't get infected ? I also delete 
virtually all E-mails immediately after reading them, since I use a webmail 
account which allows limited space for msg storage. Would that make a 
difference ?

George


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Graham Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:26:38 -0000

George

I'm picking up the virus with McAfee Active Shield.

Graham

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
 > George Valkov
 > Sent: 31 October 2000 16:10
 > To: naktalk at naks.com
 > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
 >
 >
 > Hi guys,
 >
 > I keep opening these infected E-mails with my IE 5.5, then I run both the
 > latest Norton and McAfee cleaners and they can't find anything
 > anywhere on
 > my PC ? Am I missing something ? I apologise for the non-Nak
 > subject, but it
 > seems important to me, since e-mail is how we communicate.
 >
 > George
 >
 >
 > ----Original Message Follows----
 > From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
 > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
 > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" <naktalk at naks.com>
 > Subject: AW: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
 > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:24:03 +0100
 >
 > Hi John,
 >
 > you got the virus, too . . .
 >
 > 	Klaus (hopefully without any viruses)
 >
 >  > -----Urspr> �ngliche Nachricht-----
 >  > Von:	John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net]
 >  > Gesendet am:	Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2000 13:50
 >  > An:	naktalk at naks.com
 >  > Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
 >  >
 >  > You have a virus.
 >  >   ----- Original Message -----
 >  >   From: Carlos
 >  >   To: naktalk at naks.com
 >  >   Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:02 PM
 >  >   Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >   I have both and all I can say is that the 1000 ZXL is a completely
 > different animal. On the second hand market, it all depends on the
 > conditions of both. The 700 ZXl is more prone to problems than its
 > counterpart. At least, that's the general consensus. If both are in good
 > condition, I'll always choose the 1000's. By the way, that is if you have
 > extra space to accomodate her since it's much bigger than the 700's and
 > heavier too.
 >  >
 >  >   The Tape Man
 >  >     ----- Original Message -----
 >  >     From: Adam Yousuf
 >  >     To: Nak Talk
 >  >     Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:00 AM
 >  >     Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >     Hi guys,
 >  >
 >  >     Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL.
 > They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could
 > possibly bid for
 > the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.
 >  >
 >  >     Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to
 > know from
 > those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and
 > operability.
 >  >
 >  >     Thanks!
 >  >     Adam
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From somperfeito at somperfeito.com  Wed Nov  1 12:53:57 2000
From: somperfeito at somperfeito.com (Nestor Natividade)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:53:57 -0200
Subject: RES: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
In-Reply-To: <000f01c040bd$63f6f720$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <LPBBKHINAOJAMCEBNADJAEOICJAA.somperfeito@somperfeito.com>

Dear owner-naktalk,
I agree with you.  I'm using OUTLOOK 2000 + SYMANTEC's NORTON SystemWorks
2000 and I wasn't infected, but I'm interested to know more about your 'ADP
script checker'. Where can I find it ?
Regards
Nestor

Mensagem original -----------------------------------------------
De: owner-naktalk at naks.com [owner-naktalk at naks.com]Em nome de MVM
Enviada em: sábado, 28 de outubro de 2000  07:00
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
Hi Graham,
This virus is a script that will makes some hole on your security and will
give an access to your computer to someone from the dark part of the
Internet.
You will never see any results of this virus until someone will format your
disc or erase all your important files or simply steal all your commercial
secrets.  Please recheck your computer with updated antivirus program !
I have AVP script checker that will not let any scripts install it so I got
warning when I got message from Carlos. Oh, you can open the source of the
message in a plain text -you will be surpised how big this message is- there
is a virus body !

==================================

Don't worry guys...
When the IE (outlook) prompts that the message have scripts (but not just
simple scripts... "bad script"!!!) And says that maybe could be dangerous to
your computer, and things like that
just answer don't execute scripts in this message.
Than...
I u won't have problems with virus!
Any comments???
Questions???
Nestor


Mensagem original------------------------------------------------
De: owner-naktalk at naks.com [owner-naktalk at naks.com]Em nome de Ron
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 27 de outubro de 2000  13:17
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
MVM wrote:
> ...Carlos, you got a virus! Some worm in the body of your message !  Virus
name: HTML.SecurityBreach.2  .  Everyone with Windows who read this message
got it as well!
Misha... >
Actually, Netscape users are immune... According to Symantec web site, this
virus uses a security hole in I.E. and Outlook.  A patch is available from
MS.
After seeing the warnings, I downloaded the latest virus definitions, then
ran a scan --nothing was found.  Netscape likes to crash every now and then,
so it's good to discover that it has some points, too.
-- Ron

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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Wed Nov  1 13:34:08 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:34:08 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany
References: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36E9@MCHH214E> <LAW-OE36kJSFsxf4yp8000000e4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A000DC0.FFD39199@chello.at>

Hi Matyas,

> If I recall, you said sometimes ago that the manuals available at
> http://www.elv.de/ was xeroxed copies ... am I wrong ?

Absolutely correct.

> Are these manuals complete ?

Yes, they are

> Have you ever got a look at their quality ?

I´ve bought a lot of them (for my Naka-collections and for myy other HiFi parts) and
they look all very fine (even the smallest part descriptions are readable!)

Wolfgang

PS: to avoid mail flooding - I´ve no useable scanner (at this time) and also - if I had
one - I have not enough time to scan all the manuals due to my job; sorry guys:-((

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Wed Nov  1 13:56:39 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:56:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700ZXL for auction
References: <LPBBKHINAOJAMCEBNADJAEOICJAA.somperfeito@somperfeito.com>
Message-ID: <01aa01c04403$2e878d40$0100007f@localhost>

Hi,

AVP (not ADP) anti-virus program (the most sophisticated one yet)
can be found on www.avp.ru There you can download full trial version
of AVP antivirus, monitor and script cheker. The AVP also very well
supported - there always new updates for all new viruses.

Misha

> Dear owner-naktalk,
> I agree with you.  I'm using OUTLOOK 2000 + SYMANTEC's NORTON SystemWorks
> 2000 and I wasn't infected, but I'm interested to know more about your
'ADP
> script checker'. Where can I find it ?
> Regards
> Nestor

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Nov  1 20:29:05 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:29:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
References: <F346xfPTeip68V8zDv600004de7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c0443a$00239de0$8d2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Well, I installed the damm patch and the Symantec cleaning program says my
computer is clean but somehow I keep receiving the worm from others in this
list. Perhaps it is so widespread that it's affecting all us !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Valkov" <g_valkov at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:43 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping


> Graham,
>
> I use the same plus the Norton 2001 Antivirus - and they don't find
anything
> on my PC. I followed a link to Symantec that someone was kind enough to
post
> on the list and I found there was a patch for IE 5.0 solving the "worm"
> problem. Would that mean that IE 5.5 (being the latest version) has this
> protection incorporated, hence I don't get infected ? I also delete
> virtually all E-mails immediately after reading them, since I use a
webmail
> account which allows limited space for msg storage. Would that make a
> difference ?
>
> George
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Graham Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:26:38 -0000
>
> George
>
> I'm picking up the virus with McAfee Active Shield.
>
> Graham
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
>  > George Valkov
>  > Sent: 31 October 2000 16:10
>  > To: naktalk at naks.com
>  > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
>  >
>  >
>  > Hi guys,
>  >
>  > I keep opening these infected E-mails with my IE 5.5, then I run both
the
>  > latest Norton and McAfee cleaners and they can't find anything
>  > anywhere on
>  > my PC ? Am I missing something ? I apologise for the non-Nak
>  > subject, but it
>  > seems important to me, since e-mail is how we communicate.
>  >
>  > George
>  >
>  >
>  > ----Original Message Follows----
>  > From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
>  > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>  > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" <naktalk at naks.com>
>  > Subject: AW: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
>  > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:24:03 +0100
>  >
>  > Hi John,
>  >
>  > you got the virus, too . . .
>  >
>  > Klaus (hopefully without any viruses)
>  >
>  >  > -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
>  >  > Von: John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net]
>  >  > Gesendet am: Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2000 13:50
>  >  > An: naktalk at naks.com
>  >  > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
>  >  >
>  >  > You have a virus.
>  >  >   ----- Original Message -----
>  >  >   From: Carlos
>  >  >   To: naktalk at naks.com
>  >  >   Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:02 PM
>  >  >   Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >   I have both and all I can say is that the 1000 ZXL is a completely
>  > different animal. On the second hand market, it all depends on the
>  > conditions of both. The 700 ZXl is more prone to problems than its
>  > counterpart. At least, that's the general consensus. If both are in
good
>  > condition, I'll always choose the 1000's. By the way, that is if you
have
>  > extra space to accomodate her since it's much bigger than the 700's and
>  > heavier too.
>  >  >
>  >  >   The Tape Man
>  >  >     ----- Original Message -----
>  >  >     From: Adam Yousuf
>  >  >     To: Nak Talk
>  >  >     Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:00 AM
>  >  >     Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >     Hi guys,
>  >  >
>  >  >     Just wondering on the differences between a 700ZXL and a
1000ZXL.
>  > They are both up for auction in E-bay.. I'm in HK and could
>  > possibly bid for
>  > the 1000ZXL more easily than the 1000ZXL.
>  >  >
>  >  >     Ok, there is an obvious outlook difference.  But I need to
>  > know from
>  > those who have used both, what the differences are in sound and
>  > operability.
>  >  >
>  >  >     Thanks!
>  >  >     Adam
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Nov  1 20:32:21 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:32:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Virus WARNING from Carlos message
References: <003701c04260$ae2ad470$5a7cc6cb@adamhomepc> <001101c042cd$eb7de840$a6312ac4@coqui.net> <004b01c04394$b5bf2e40$570ab0cb@mariano>
Message-ID: <005901c0443a$74c17000$8d2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Check it now. And thanks for your kind words.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 6:45 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Virus WARNING from Carlos message


  Hello Carlos:

  I am sure you were not aware but you were forwarding email with a virus in it.

  I am particularly very much interested in postings coming from you and read every word so I missed this particular post. Would you resend after you check your computer! 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Carlos 
    To: naktalk at naks.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:02 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL


    This file: "Unknown0a22.data" was infected with: "WScript.KakWorm" virus. The file was deleted by Norton AntiVirus. Wednesday, November 01, 2000 00:48 
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Wed Nov  1 20:18:33 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:18:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Virus WARNING from Carlos message
References: <003701c04260$ae2ad470$5a7cc6cb@adamhomepc> <001101c042cd$eb7de840$a6312ac4@coqui.net> <004b01c04394$b5bf2e40$570ab0cb@mariano> <005901c0443a$74c17000$8d2f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c04438$8831db40$0100007f@localhost>

Dear Carlos,

Please stop sending messages in HTML format!
This helps to distribute viruses that can be hidden inside
of the HTML code.
Tale a look what's inside of youe short message:



This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Check it now. And thanks for your kind words.

Carlos
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.=20
  To: naktalk at naks.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 6:45 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] Virus WARNING from Carlos message


  Hello Carlos:

  I am sure you were not aware but you were forwarding email with a =
virus in it.

  I am particularly very much interested in postings coming from you and =
read every word so I missed this particular post. Would you resend after =
you check your computer!=20
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Carlos=20
    To: naktalk at naks.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:02 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL


    This file: "Unknown0a22.data" was infected with: "WScript.KakWorm" =
virus. The file was deleted by Norton AntiVirus. Wednesday, November 01, =
2000 00:48=20

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Check it now. And thanks for your kind =
words.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Carlos</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dmariano at starnet.net.ph =
href=3D"mailto:mariano at starnet.net.ph">Mariano=20
  L. Honrado, Jr.</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dnaktalk at naks.com =

  href=3D"mailto:naktalk at naks.com">naktalk at naks.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 31, 2000 =
6:45=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [naktalk] Virus =
WARNING from=20
  Carlos message</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Carlos:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am sure you were not aware but you =
were=20
  forwarding email with a virus in it.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am particularly very much =
interested in=20
  postings coming from you and read every word so I missed this =
particular post.=20
  Would you resend after you </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>check =
your computer!=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dcopytec at coqui.net =
href=3D"mailto:copytec at coqui.net">Carlos</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnaktalk at naks.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:naktalk at naks.com">naktalk at naks.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 31, =
2000 8:02=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [naktalk] =
1000ZXL vs=20
    700ZXL</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>This file: "Unknown0a22.data" was infected with:=20
    "WScript.KakWorm" virus. The file was deleted by Norton AntiVirus.=20
    Wednesday, November 01, 2000 00:48 =
</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Nov  1 22:03:15 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:03:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Virus WARNING from Carlos message
References: <003701c04260$ae2ad470$5a7cc6cb@adamhomepc> <001101c042cd$eb7de840$a6312ac4@coqui.net> <004b01c04394$b5bf2e40$570ab0cb@mariano> <005901c0443a$74c17000$8d2f2ac4@coqui.net> <001a01c04438$8831db40$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <001301c04447$27d967e0$8d2f2ac4@coqui.net>

How I turn off this HTML ? I did it once and I forgot.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Virus WARNING from Carlos message


> Dear Carlos,
>
> Please stop sending messages in HTML format!
> This helps to distribute viruses that can be hidden inside
> of the HTML code.
> Tale a look what's inside of youe short message:
>
>
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C04410.8B6CC220
> Content-Type: text/plain;
>  charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Check it now. And thanks for your kind words.
>
> Carlos
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.=20
>   To: naktalk at naks.com=20
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 6:45 PM
>   Subject: [naktalk] Virus WARNING from Carlos message
>
>
>   Hello Carlos:
>
>   I am sure you were not aware but you were forwarding email with a =
> virus in it.
>
>   I am particularly very much interested in postings coming from you and =
> read every word so I missed this particular post. Would you resend after =
> you check your computer!=20
>     ----- Original Message -----=20
>     From: Carlos=20
>     To: naktalk at naks.com=20
>     Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:02 AM
>     Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL vs 700ZXL
>
>
>     This file: "Unknown0a22.data" was infected with: "WScript.KakWorm" =
> virus. The file was deleted by Norton AntiVirus. Wednesday, November 01, =
> 2000 00:48=20
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C04410.8B6CC220
> Content-Type: text/html;
>  charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> <HTML><HEAD>
> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR>
> <STYLE></STYLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Check it now. And thanks for your kind =
> words.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Carlos</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>   <DIV=20
>   style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
>   <A title=3Dmariano at starnet.net.ph =
> href=3D"mailto:mariano at starnet.net.ph">Mariano=20
>   L. Honrado, Jr.</A> </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dnaktalk at naks.com =
>
>   href=3D"mailto:naktalk at naks.com">naktalk at naks.com</A> </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 31, 2000 =
> 6:45=20
>   PM</DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [naktalk] Virus =
> WARNING from=20
>   Carlos message</DIV>
>   <DIV><BR></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Carlos:</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am sure you were not aware but you =
> were=20
>   forwarding email with a virus in it.</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am particularly very much =
> interested in=20
>   postings coming from you and read every word so I missed this =
> particular post.=20
>   Would you resend after you </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>check =
> your computer!=20
>   </FONT></DIV>
>   <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>   style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>     <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>     <DIV=20
>     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
>     <A title=3Dcopytec at coqui.net =
> href=3D"mailto:copytec at coqui.net">Carlos</A> </DIV>
>     <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dnaktalk at naks.com=20
>     href=3D"mailto:naktalk at naks.com">naktalk at naks.com</A> </DIV>
>     <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 31, =
> 2000 8:02=20
>     AM</DIV>
>     <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [naktalk] =
> 1000ZXL vs=20
>     700ZXL</DIV>
>     <DIV><BR></DIV>This file: "Unknown0a22.data" was infected with:=20
>     "WScript.KakWorm" virus. The file was deleted by Norton AntiVirus.=20
>     Wednesday, November 01, 2000 00:48 =
> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Nov  1 22:43:19 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:43:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Virus WARNING from Carlos message
References: <003701c04260$ae2ad470$5a7cc6cb@adamhomepc> <001101c042cd$eb7de840$a6312ac4@coqui.net> <004b01c04394$b5bf2e40$570ab0cb@mariano> <005901c0443a$74c17000$8d2f2ac4@coqui.net> <001a01c04438$8831db40$0100007f@localhost> <001301c04447$27d967e0$8d2f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <000701c0444c$c05e9080$95232ac4@coqui.net>

Well guys, I think that at last I got  rid off this Kak* shit !

Carlos


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Nov  2 00:09:08 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:09:08 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
In-Reply-To: <F346xfPTeip68V8zDv600004de7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101c04458$bd38c900$af6443d4@a4s1s2>

George

See below:



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> George Valkov
> Sent: 01 November 2000 09:43
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
>
>
> Graham,
>
> I use the same plus the Norton 2001 Antivirus - and they don't
> find anything
> on my PC. I followed a link to Symantec that someone was kind
> enough to post
> on the list and I found there was a patch for IE 5.0 solving the "worm"
> problem. Would that mean that IE 5.5 (being the latest version) has this
> protection incorporated, hence I don't get infected ?

I don't know.  I have IE 5.5 but I'm still catching the viruses that came
with Carlos's e-mail.



I also delete
> virtually all E-mails immediately after reading them, since I use
> a webmail
> account which allows limited space for msg storage. Would that make a
> difference ?

I wouldn't have thought so but, to be honest, I'm no expert.  Post a note to
Norton or McAfee and ask them - there's got to be an explanation for this.


Take care

Graham

>
> George
>
>



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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  2 03:22:24 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 03:22:24 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification
References: <39FA0031.188C46D1@concentric.net> <LAW-OE61Xix4A2DreBB000001f0@hotmail.com> <39FF3C7D.BBF83A46@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE557Ie8tlMazUS00000bf5@hotmail.com>

Dear Ron,

I dont remember have to talk about 'output coupling cap' :-?

Yes, maybe I wasn't clear enough.
I have read again what I wrote and it is very hazy.
I was refering to the line amplifier op amp in my Dragon
as an introduction to 'feedback loop with capacitor' sound .
And was just trying to imagine the nature of the CR-7 mod' with
guidelines given to me in the form of your new CR-7 sound,
wich remain me my new Dragon sound (even if it dosen't touch the same
amplifier function ...)
It was the reason of such a speculation oriented towards the audiophile DIY
altar ...

No offences,  Matyas
____________________________________________________________________

> Matyas,
>
> The modification does not involve C112/C212 and C114/214.
>
> Quite frankly, I would be extremely cautious of applying
> this modification to Dragons or any other model. Nakamichi
> recommends that this modification *not* be done even for
> CR-7, but at least, they designed and tested it on this
> model. That area of the circuit is critical as to placement
> of components and it is easy to butcher a perfectly good
> deck... It is definitely not a DIY job. In addition, it
> must be followed by complete recalibration of the circuit.
> I will definitely not rely on my CR-7 for recording until
> Stephen fully realigns it.
>
> BTW, it is not clear to me what you mean by 'output
> coupling cap'. C112 guarantees that the DC gain of IC305
> is x1 (while the AC gain is a function of the attached
> equalization network). If it was leaking, it should be
> replaced with a good cap, not shorted out. If there is
> any DC at the output of IC305, it will be applied to the
> record head, magnetize it and cause distortion.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> Matyas wrote:
> >
> > Hello Ron !
> >
> > Lucky you to finally find your due in that jungle !
> >
> > I am very interested in your experience with that modfication ...
> >
> > Does the equalisation mod touch to C112 & C212 or C114/214 of rec amp ?
> > I wonder because the output line Op amp of the Dragon use the same
coupling
> > cap (47 uF) in the feedback loop. Since I own the CR-7 service manual, I
> > remark the kindred design of their output amps.
> > The CR-7 use a faster and j-FET input op amp (njm 082DE) and does NOT
have
> > that coupling cap.
> > I guess (refer RX505 manual, it has the SAME output amp than Dragon)
that
> > cap is used in offset control duties.
> > But it has a very unpleasent color to me ... as syntethic timbres and
boomy
> > bass... and in the Dragon, there is ever DC leakage at its output
jacks...
> > so this cap didn't apeall me as much ...
> >
> > I have shorted that coupling cap for a long, the DC leakage had
increase,
> > but I prefer very much its sound by now.
> > It is more natural than before, in the same amount of sensitivity and
sound
> > wise you wrotes below.
> > Understantable, considering the major part of the AC component that
transit
> > into that cap...
> >
> > But talking about rec amp, I am very inerested on that mod sheet because
> > Dragon & CR-7 have the same EQ arround rec amp; the CR-7 EQ modification
in
> > that case fit NOT only for itself but as well for Dragon, RX-505 and any
> > 'new' Nak deck using that rec circuit (I guess it might exist some...)
> >
> > Can you give me any information on the procedure ?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Matyas
> > __________________________________________
> > > So, last weekend I finally installed the upgrade in my
> > > CR-7a. I was careful not to disturb the internal
> > > adjustments; these will have to be done later. I then
> > > reconnected the deck and did some listening tests. I am
> > > very surprised at the results... Here they are.
> > >
> > > First, PB of previously recorded tapes is identical, to
> > > my ears, to what it was before. That's not surprising,
> > > since the upgrade affects only the recording equalization
> > > circuits. Second, unexpectedly, on newly recorded tapes,
> > > bass is improved -- both in extension and volume. It is
> > > not excessive or boomy in any way, just tighter and
> > > very pleasantly improved. Lower strings (contrabass) and
> > > timpani now come across as almost tangible sounds.
> > > Wonderful! I wonder if this will be retained after the
> > > deck is calibrated properly...
> > >
> > > Third (and this is the most baffling phenomenon), I do
> > > not perceive extension of the higher frequencies, but
> > > clearly hear improvement in highs quality. The highs
> > > are silky smooth -- smoother than before -- and airy.
> > > I couldn't believe my ears, there is no reason for
> > > lower treble distortion.
> > >
> > > The differences are not night-and-day, but still,
> > > inescapable. Based on all this, I would recommend
> > > this upgrade to older CR-7 owners.
> > >
> > > This has been longer than anticipated... Thanks to
> > > anyone that's still with me...
> > >
> > > Have a good night,
> > >
> > > -- Ron
> >




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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov  2 05:34:48 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:04:48 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
Message-ID: <003901c04486$3be76220$42d60192@vsnl>

You may have to download latest virus updates otherwise Norton Antivirus doesnot find new viruses. You have an option called live update and you run it when connected to Net. It will automatically download and update your virus list /definition etc
And that may be your problem
Kannan
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
    To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
    Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 5:39 AM
    Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
    
    
    George
     
    See below:
    
    
    
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
    > George Valkov
    > Sent: 01 November 2000 09:43
    > To: naktalk at naks.com
    > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Virus thumping
    >
    >
    > Graham,
    >
    > I use the same plus the Norton 2001 Antivirus - and they don't
    > find anything
    > on my PC. I followed a link to Symantec that someone was kind
    > enough to post
    > on the list and I found there was a patch for IE 5.0 solving the "worm"
    > problem. Would that mean that IE 5.5 (being the latest version) has this
    > protection incorporated, hence I don't get infected ?
    
    I don't know.  I have IE 5.5 but I'm still catching the viruses that came with Carlos's e-mail.
    
    
    
    I also delete
    > virtually all E-mails immediately after reading them, since I use
    > a webmail
    > account which allows limited space for msg storage. Would that make a
    > difference ?

    I wouldn't have thought so but, to be honest, I'm no expert.  Post a note to Norton or McAfee and ask them - there's got to be an explanation for this.

     
    Take care
     
    Graham
    
    >
    > George
    >
    >
    


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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Thu Nov  2 08:29:49 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:29:49 +0100 
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36F8@MCHH214E>

Javier,

yes, the service manuals are only available in English; 

	Klaus


> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	javier [SMTP:nicy at jet.es]
> Gesendet am:	Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2000 17:16
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany
> 
> Hi,
> Oly one question: These manuals are in English or German language?
> Javier (Spain)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fendt Klaus" <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:58 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany
> 
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Thu Nov  2 08:32:18 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:32:18 +0100 
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF36F9@MCHH214E>

Matyas,

perhaps I'm wrong but I think that http://www.elv.de get their manuals from another dealer. You can look at this german side using http://www.schaltungsdienst.de.

I've eMailed a question whether it is possible to ship manuals outside from Germany, too and asked for the individual shipping cost. 

I will post their answer when it has arrived.

	Klaus

> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Matyas [SMTP:Nakamikaze at hotmail.com]
> Gesendet am:	Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2000 20:30
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals - prices in Germany
> 
> Klaus, I have some questions ...
> If I recall, you said sometimes ago that the manuals available at
> http://www.elv.de/ was xeroxed copies ... am I wrong ?
> Are these manuals complete ?
> Have you ever got a look at their quality ?
> 
> Thanks!
> Matyas
> 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Nov  2 09:09:11 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:09:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD
Message-ID: <3A012119.54A8B33A@xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

I asked Hideo Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD when there were heavy
discussions going on on naktalk.
I asked him how many were actually made and this is his answer:

> Anyway, I reply regarding your last question.
> 1000ZXL-limited, it was not big changes from 1000ZXL for the actual sound quality.
> However the playback head was selected out!
> The official spec was not changed because a filter circuit has cut the high frequency.
> PB head  can play back up to 40, 50kHz!
> That is an advantage.
> And the total number of model is not clear.
> We guess it was around 100 units.
> I  am sorry for the response that was so late.
>
> Tha's for now.
> Regards,
>
> [Goto]
>

So what is he saying about the 'filter circuit' and the PB head going to
40, 50kHz!!!???

Wouter

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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Thu Nov  2 10:05:08 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:05:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
References: <000001c04366$f2837300$4e2b140a@interpath.net> <39FF2021.E4ACD440@ibm.net> <00e501c04397$b5b90c60$570ab0cb@mariano>
Message-ID: <3A012E44.7DC412DC@sunint.co.za>

Steve:

If there's anything that doesn't interest you on Naktalk, then delete it.  No need to
print it, surely.  Certainly it's not necessary to berate individual contributors, for
following a particular string or debating a sideline issue.  I have had the priviledge
of this suscription for several months(thank you Wouter), and what makes it special is
that it's content reflects the individual characters and values of the Nakamichi
owners.  The esoteric nature of their interest says something about them as
characters.  The goodwill and humour that prevails has to be seen to be believed.  They
are passionate folk, some devout, some less so.  I would love to meet any of them and
they can all be assured of my warm hospitality ( fine music and everything else that
goes with it) if ever in my neck of the woods.

Marc Hugo



"Mariano L. Honrado, Jr." wrote:

> Mr. Steve Chatham:
>
> Stop wasting everybody's time AND everybody's bandwith too.
>
> DO NOT EVEN REPLY, just curl up and lurk in some dark corner, a beach or a
> jungle.
>
> Mariano
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Cook" <jacook at ibm.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>
> >
> > Well if this isn't about the most specious bit of reasoning, I don't
> > know what is.  The tagline you're objecting to consumes all of 235
> > Bytes of data.  Bytes.  If this is enough to cause you such difficulty,
> > then you're in a world of hurt.
> >
> > Seems the least you could do is to have the courage to be up front
> > about your censorist views, and not hide behind a bunch of lame
> > whining about 'bandwidth'.
> >
> > If the online world doesn't have room for one person's views, then
> > it doesn't have room for yours either.  Be careful what you wish for.
> >
> > Jeff Cook
> >
> > Steve Chatham wrote:
> >
> > > What I do not like is having the extra bandwidth that I have to pay for
> for
> > > taglines which seldom if ever add anything to the discussion.
> > >
> > > IMO, the only taglines for this list should be the ones that Naktalk
> might
> > > generate.  Any others IMO are off topic.
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov  2 11:21:12 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:51:12 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD
Message-ID: <001401c044b6$a1088280$42d60192@vsnl>

He may be talking about Bias trap filter after first stage playback  amp
which has to reduce leakage of 105 Khz in to playback circuitry. This will
definitely cut out frequencies above may be  25 Khz upper level - 1000ZXL.
whether any tape can record even 40 Khz around -30 Db to -35 Db? reording
will be problamatic than playback
Kannan

-----Original Message-----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: lennard at worldonline.nl <lennard at worldonline.nl>
Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:43 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD


>Hi All,
>
>I asked Hideo Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD when there were heavy
>discussions going on on naktalk.
>I asked him how many were actually made and this is his answer:
>
>> Anyway, I reply regarding your last question.
>> 1000ZXL-limited, it was not big changes from 1000ZXL for the actual sound
quality.
>> However the playback head was selected out!
>> The official spec was not changed because a filter circuit has cut the
high frequency.
>> PB head  can play back up to 40, 50kHz!
>> That is an advantage.
>> And the total number of model is not clear.
>> We guess it was around 100 units.
>> I  am sorry for the response that was so late.
>>
>> Tha's for now.
>> Regards,
>>
>> [Goto]
>>
>
>So what is he saying about the 'filter circuit' and the PB head going to
>40, 50kHz!!!???
>
>Wouter
>
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From cvshanson at sprintmail.com  Thu Nov  2 13:47:11 2000
From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vern Hanson)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 06:47:11 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance
References: <000001c04366$f2837300$4e2b140a@interpath.net> <39FF2021.E4ACD440@ibm.net> <00e501c04397$b5b90c60$570ab0cb@mariano> <3A012E44.7DC412DC@sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <3A01624D.AED469F8@sprintmail.com>

I believe that I need to second what Marc wrote although I would address it to our entire
group and not single out one individual.

That said, I return to the main purpose of the group. I have sadly decided that I own a
couple too many Naks. If anybody is interested, I will be selling the following:

a couple of 500's
a 600 or a 600II
possibly a BX-1

If anybody is interested, please contact me directly off list.

Vern Hanson (aka: videovern)
cvshanson at sprintmail.com

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Nov  2 16:15:14 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:15:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: CR-7 exerpt uploaded]
Message-ID: <3A018502.4F2ED571@xs4all.nl>

Thanks to Matyas for uploading the CR7 amplifier part of the service
manual!

Wouter
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Nov  2 16:42:15 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:42:15 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD
Message-ID: <045d01c044e3$7ac0e220$7293bccf@sank1>

On 3-head Naks as far back as the 582, my measurements have yielded "usable"
response out to 35kHz rec/pb on TDK SA & MA tapes.  But the relly impressive
thing is the low freq response.  -3dB @ 12Hz MA, 16Hz SA.  That's what
really distinguishes Nak heads.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD


>He may be talking about Bias trap filter after first stage playback  amp
>which has to reduce leakage of 105 Khz in to playback circuitry. This will
>definitely cut out frequencies above may be  25 Khz upper level - 1000ZXL.
>whether any tape can record even 40 Khz around -30 Db to -35 Db? reording
>will be problamatic than playback
>Kannan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
>Cc: lennard at worldonline.nl <lennard at worldonline.nl>
>Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:43 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD
>
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I asked Hideo Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD when there were heavy
>>discussions going on on naktalk.
>>I asked him how many were actually made and this is his answer:
>>
>>> Anyway, I reply regarding your last question.
>>> 1000ZXL-limited, it was not big changes from 1000ZXL for the actual
sound
>quality.
>>> However the playback head was selected out!
>>> The official spec was not changed because a filter circuit has cut the
>high frequency.
>>> PB head  can play back up to 40, 50kHz!
>>> That is an advantage.
>>> And the total number of model is not clear.
>>> We guess it was around 100 units.
>>> I  am sorry for the response that was so late.
>>>
>>> Tha's for now.
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> [Goto]
>>>
>>
>>So what is he saying about the 'filter circuit' and the PB head going to
>>40, 50kHz!!!???
>>
>>Wouter
>>
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Fri Nov  3 05:28:56 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:28:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Server status
Message-ID: <sa01f8ce.081@WORF.anderson.edu>

Wouter,

The last naktalk I have received was on 10/25/00 at 5:50 PM from Stephen Sank on a CR-4 problem.  I think our router being flaky, then dead, would have caused incoming mail to bounce back as undeliverable.  If you are able to make naktalk "searchable", it would make the site even more valuable to us "Nakaholics".  That is NOT to imply it is not already a vast well of information.  The amount of personal time and effort you have given to this "gift" you have made available to the World, is greatly appreciated!  If my address has been deleted from the LIST, please reactivate me.  Thank you for this work of love you have created and share with us.

Best regards,

Kent Merideth 

>>> wheijke at xs4all.nl 10/21/00 04:34AM >>>
Hey All,

Yesterday I moved the server to the new building and immedeately connected it 
to the network! So initially the server was down for about 30minutes. But there 
is some work going on on the company network and firewall so the site and 
naktalk could still be unavailable at some point.
The past hours the site was down due to the network calbe which wouldn't stay 
in the networkcard of the server.... I'll have to fix this on Monday!

So we can all enjoy naktalk again!

Wouter
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From giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt  Fri Nov  3 13:30:07 2000
From: giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt (Giedrius Oginskas)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:30:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
Message-ID: <1003697388.20001103143007@saforas.lt>

Dear Nak-gurus,

It's my first message to this list. And I would like to ask what
interconnects carry the 'charms' of a Nak deck best?
I would be grateful for any your comments.

BR,
Giedrius


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From raah at concentric.net  Fri Nov  3 15:59:53 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:59:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <1003697388.20001103143007@saforas.lt>
Message-ID: <3A02D2E9.74DAAE93@concentric.net>

Giedrius Oginskas wrote:
> 
> Dear Nak-gurus,
> 
> It's my first message to this list. And I would like to ask what
> interconnects carry the 'charms' of a Nak deck best?
> I would be grateful for any your comments.
> 
> BR,
> Giedrius
> 

The short answer is that any good quality
interconnect will do just fine. I make my own, but
a good set bought at Radio Shack ($10 to $20) is
already an overkill.

The long answer is that this is a matter of great
controversy, by no means limited to Naks. People
conduct holy wars over the issue of interconnects,
fired by manufacturers that make ludicrous claims
(and charge ludicrous amounts) for their esoteric
cables. When examined under the cold light of
Engineering, such claims do not make sense. Yet,
there are hordes of people that swear that they can
hear the difference in sound between the 'high-end'
interconnects and the 'regular' ones. This ability
to tell the difference miraculously disappears in
blind tests, but, nonetheless, these people think
nothing of paying several hundred dollars for
esoteric interconnects. Obviously, such people
will respond with a completely different short
answer...

-- Ron
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Nov  3 16:47:19 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:47:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <1003697388.20001103143007@saforas.lt> <3A02D2E9.74DAAE93@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <007901c045ad$5a1a0f90$9c496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Monster Cable spoken hear, sorry here.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?


> Giedrius Oginskas wrote:
> >
> > Dear Nak-gurus,
> >
> > It's my first message to this list. And I would like to ask what
> > interconnects carry the 'charms' of a Nak deck best?
> > I would be grateful for any your comments.
> >
> > BR,
> > Giedrius
> >
>
> The short answer is that any good quality
> interconnect will do just fine. I make my own, but
> a good set bought at Radio Shack ($10 to $20) is
> already an overkill.
>
> The long answer is that this is a matter of great
> controversy, by no means limited to Naks. People
> conduct holy wars over the issue of interconnects,
> fired by manufacturers that make ludicrous claims
> (and charge ludicrous amounts) for their esoteric
> cables. When examined under the cold light of
> Engineering, such claims do not make sense. Yet,
> there are hordes of people that swear that they can
> hear the difference in sound between the 'high-end'
> interconnects and the 'regular' ones. This ability
> to tell the difference miraculously disappears in
> blind tests, but, nonetheless, these people think
> nothing of paying several hundred dollars for
> esoteric interconnects. Obviously, such people
> will respond with a completely different short
> answer...
>
> -- Ron
>
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From brianm at grar.com  Fri Nov  3 16:53:33 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:53:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <1003697388.20001103143007@saforas.lt> <3A02D2E9.74DAAE93@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <005101c045ae$397d1a60$3e021fac@brianm>

I am one of "those" to disagree with you Ron.  I have heard the difference
in cables many times.  No need for a debate on this one, I have seen to
many, it's an endless arguement.  I will say that cable costs have gotten
out of control!

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?


> Giedrius Oginskas wrote:
> >
> > Dear Nak-gurus,
> >
> > It's my first message to this list. And I would like to ask what
> > interconnects carry the 'charms' of a Nak deck best?
> > I would be grateful for any your comments.
> >
> > BR,
> > Giedrius
> >
>
> The short answer is that any good quality
> interconnect will do just fine. I make my own, but
> a good set bought at Radio Shack ($10 to $20) is
> already an overkill.
>
> The long answer is that this is a matter of great
> controversy, by no means limited to Naks. People
> conduct holy wars over the issue of interconnects,
> fired by manufacturers that make ludicrous claims
> (and charge ludicrous amounts) for their esoteric
> cables. When examined under the cold light of
> Engineering, such claims do not make sense. Yet,
> there are hordes of people that swear that they can
> hear the difference in sound between the 'high-end'
> interconnects and the 'regular' ones. This ability
> to tell the difference miraculously disappears in
> blind tests, but, nonetheless, these people think
> nothing of paying several hundred dollars for
> esoteric interconnects. Obviously, such people
> will respond with a completely different short
> answer...
>
> -- Ron
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Nov  3 17:05:02 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:05:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <1003697388.20001103143007@saforas.lt> <3A02D2E9.74DAAE93@concentric.net> <005101c045ae$397d1a60$3e021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <3A02E22E.49C6F866@xs4all.nl>

I totally agree that cable differences can be heard!
A simple upgrade from a 'standard' cable will give you much more joy from your
equipment, but you can take this as far as you want!
Some cables are way too expensive, you need to get a 'best buy' for your budget and
enjoy the difference in sound!

Wouter

Brian Miller wrote:

> I am one of "those" to disagree with you Ron.  I have heard the difference
> in cables many times.  No need for a debate on this one, I have seen to
> many, it's an endless arguement.  I will say that cable costs have gotten
> out of control!
>
> Brian Miller
> Michigan
>
> If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
> believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
> dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
> unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
> made unto salvation.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?
>
> > Giedrius Oginskas wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Nak-gurus,
> > >
> > > It's my first message to this list. And I would like to ask what
> > > interconnects carry the 'charms' of a Nak deck best?
> > > I would be grateful for any your comments.
> > >
> > > BR,
> > > Giedrius
> > >
> >
> > The short answer is that any good quality
> > interconnect will do just fine. I make my own, but
> > a good set bought at Radio Shack ($10 to $20) is
> > already an overkill.
> >
> > The long answer is that this is a matter of great
> > controversy, by no means limited to Naks. People
> > conduct holy wars over the issue of interconnects,
> > fired by manufacturers that make ludicrous claims
> > (and charge ludicrous amounts) for their esoteric
> > cables. When examined under the cold light of
> > Engineering, such claims do not make sense. Yet,
> > there are hordes of people that swear that they can
> > hear the difference in sound between the 'high-end'
> > interconnects and the 'regular' ones. This ability
> > to tell the difference miraculously disappears in
> > blind tests, but, nonetheless, these people think
> > nothing of paying several hundred dollars for
> > esoteric interconnects. Obviously, such people
> > will respond with a completely different short
> > answer...
> >
> > -- Ron
> >

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From marc at stager.com  Fri Nov  3 17:45:04 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:45:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
In-Reply-To: <3A02E22E.49C6F866@xs4all.nl>
References: <1003697388.20001103143007@saforas.lt>
 <3A02D2E9.74DAAE93@concentric.net>
 <005101c045ae$397d1a60$3e021fac@brianm>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001103113735.01f812e0@mail.flashcom.net>

At 11/3/00, you wrote:
>I totally agree that cable differences can be heard!
>A simple upgrade from a 'standard' cable will give you much
>more joy from your equipment, but you can take this as far
>as you want!
>Some cables are way too expensive, you need to get a 'best
>buy' for your budget and enjoy the difference in sound!
>
>Wouter

=================================

True, indeed!

The cable is a relatively inexpensive component.

If it's the weak link in your system, what's
the point of spending thousands on the rest of your
gear and compromising your investment with a mediocre
interconnect?

A good cable needn't cost a fortune, but don't expect
stellar performance from Radio Shack.

Check my silver interconnects, for example, and read
some of the comments from users if you still don't
think using a top quality cable makes no difference.

http://marc.stager.com/silver/

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Nov  3 18:26:09 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:26:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
Message-ID: <05ab01c045bb$28748660$7293bccf@sank1>

My absolute favorite interconnects(and I've auditioned lots of 'em, up to
the price of a car) are from a little company in New Jersey called LAT
International.  Their top grade interconnect, which I have yet to find a
better of, is about $150/1m pair, which is dirt cheap compared to what it
beats.  The lower models are proportionately great, even the actually cheap
ones.  Speaker & power cables are equally great & equally great value.  I
have been using their stuff for the last 8 years or so.  I believe the
website is http://www.lat-intl.com but they always have a little ad in the
back of Stereophile if that's wrong.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Giedrius Oginskas <giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:54 AM
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?


>Dear Nak-gurus,
>
>It's my first message to this list. And I would like to ask what
>interconnects carry the 'charms' of a Nak deck best?
>I would be grateful for any your comments.
>
>BR,
>Giedrius
>
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Fri Nov  3 18:38:43 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:38:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <05ab01c045bb$28748660$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <000901c045bc$e9cb8010$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?


> My absolute favorite interconnects(and I've auditioned lots of 'em,
up to
> the price of a car) are from a little company in New Jersey called
LAT
> International.  Their top grade interconnect, which I have yet to
find a
> better of, is about $150/1m pair, which is dirt cheap compared to
what it
> beats

Hear, hear ;-) Come down to earth, Stef. Technicans knows this hype
is for de $ sign, electrons don't give a damn about the price of
copper inside the cable. Nak lovers, don't believe this crap!! ! ! !
!



Maurits


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From m.raven at chello.nl  Fri Nov  3 18:47:10 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:47:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <1003697388.20001103143007@saforas.lt> <3A02D2E9.74DAAE93@concentric.net> <005101c045ae$397d1a60$3e021fac@brianm> <3A02E22E.49C6F866@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001401c045be$17bd2b30$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?


> I totally agree that cable differences can be heard!

Only when you know it's there, it's really a psych stuff. When
another person sneaky switches the cable without your permission YOU
REALLY DON'T hear a difference. I did this 20 years back when this
issue was hot.
That remembers me another issue, a not connected turbo switch in a
PC, owner claimes speed increase bij turbo on.
Don't fool yourself; use magic/witchcraft or believe even in God ;-)


Maurits


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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Fri Nov  3 18:58:29 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:58:29 EST
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
Message-ID: <94.b8ba848.273456c5@aol.com>

Tara Labs RSC line are superb performers, though they a tad on the expensive 
side.
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Fri Nov  3 19:43:35 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:43:35 EST
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
Message-ID: <af.2ab904c.27346158@aol.com>

The way I look at it is this-If u think that expensive cables make you system 
sound better, then awesome. If u don't, then don't buy them. All this is 
purley subjective. I personally heard a dramatic difference on my system 
using the Cardas stuff, so I bought some. As w/ all cables, try them on YOUR 
system first before u buy. That way there is no disappointments if u don't 
hear a change. This is another one of those discussions that will never end.  

California John.
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From oceanview5 at Home.com  Fri Nov  3 21:19:18 2000
From: oceanview5 at Home.com (oceanview5@home.com (Gary))
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:19:18 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <af.2ab904c.27346158@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A031DC6.EE9D5E0C@home.com>

I recall many years ago, back when Monster Cables first hit the market, Audio Magazine,
(who accepted advertising from Monster and the others coming on the scene) performed
several A, B , C double-blind tests on speaker cables. They used  audiophile listeners
who purported to be able to hear a "difference" not just improvement, between "hi end
cables" and standard heavy-guage speaker cable. Their conclusion...  Beyond the realm
of random probability, there was no statistical evidence that the listeners were able
to tell the difference between various hi-end cables and plain old heavy-guage speaker
wire.

This was a bold move on the magazine's part since they were biting the hand (their
advertisers) that was feeding them. Based upon this, I have since been skeptical. At
one point I was offered the opportunity to check out Monster Cable, and was
underwhelmed. I couldn't hear any diference. Have things changed since then? I don't
know. But if the claims of the various cables and connectors being hocked today are
true, I think that some rather simple to perform tests like these could prove their
claims. Failing this I remain skeptical.

To quote Dennis Miller, "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong."

Gary

BJGRADY at aol.com wrote:

> The way I look at it is this-If u think that expensive cables make you system
> sound better, then awesome. If u don't, then don't buy them. All this is
> purley subjective. I personally heard a dramatic difference on my system
> using the Cardas stuff, so I bought some. As w/ all cables, try them on YOUR
> system first before u buy. That way there is no disappointments if u don't
> hear a change. This is another one of those discussions that will never end.
>
> California John.
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From brianm at grar.com  Fri Nov  3 21:54:54 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:54:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <af.2ab904c.27346158@aol.com> <3A031DC6.EE9D5E0C@home.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01c045d8$52a87c80$3e021fac@brianm>

Gary,

As I stated in my first reply, this is an argument that is never ending, so I do not want to get caught up in it, but I want to comment that Monster Cable would not be my choice of a "good" cable to do comparing and wouldn't expect overwhelming results from it.

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?


  I recall many years ago, back when Monster Cables first hit the market, Audio Magazine, (who accepted advertising from Monster and the others coming on the scene) performed several A, B , C double-blind tests on speaker cables. They used  audiophile listeners who purported to be able to hear a "difference" not just improvement, between "hi end cables" and standard heavy-guage speaker cable. Their conclusion...  Beyond the realm of random probability, there was no statistical evidence that the listeners were able to tell the difference between various hi-end cables and plain old heavy-guage speaker wire. 
  This was a bold move on the magazine's part since they were biting the hand (their advertisers) that was feeding them. Based upon this, I have since been skeptical. At one point I was offered the opportunity to check out Monster Cable, and was underwhelmed. I couldn't hear any diference. Have things changed since then? I don't know. But if the claims of the various cables and connectors being hocked today are true, I think that some rather simple to perform tests like these could prove their claims. Failing this I remain skeptical. 

  To quote Dennis Miller, "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong." 

  Gary 

  BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: 

    The way I look at it is this-If u think that expensive cables make you system 
    sound better, then awesome. If u don't, then don't buy them. All this is 
    purley subjective. I personally heard a dramatic difference on my system 
    using the Cardas stuff, so I bought some. As w/ all cables, try them on YOUR 
    system first before u buy. That way there is no disappointments if u don't 
    hear a change. This is another one of those discussions that will never end. 
    California John. 
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Fri Nov  3 22:04:40 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:04:40 EST
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
Message-ID: <e3.be5b3b2.27348268@aol.com>

Gary-That was my point. 'No statistical evidence'. Who cares. As I said in my 
last post, if it makes you happy & you dig it, go for it. If you feel 
skeptical, even in the slightest bit, save your dukits. 

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From p9019 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 22:06:55 2000
From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:06:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
Message-ID: <20001103210655.25144.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com>

Many years ago the local high end audio store, Paris
Audio had the Nakamichi rep come in and test customers
Nakamichi decks.  My friends and I all scheduled
appointments to bring our decks in.  The night before
I  tweaked my deck.  Playback/Record head azimuth,
record level and record bias (for all three tapes
types.) I used nothing more than my CD player (Denon
DCD-3300) with a test disc and my headphones (Stax
Lamda Electrostatics drived by an Adcom GFA-535 amp).

The next day I had my deck checked and after doing a
frequency response on my BX-300 he was very surprised.
 He said, and I quote "This is the flattest frequency
response I've seen ..."  He was only talking about the
two weeks that he was testing decks at Paris Audio.

Now back to the topic, "Interconnects" I personally
use    Monster Cable interconnects, not because I can
hear the difference (I can't), but, because they are
better made than the cheap stuff.  After having
problem with intermittant RCA cables I upgraded
everything to the low end Monster cables.  I've never
had a problem since.

SJ
--- Maurits <m.raven at chello.nl> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?
> 
> 
> > I totally agree that cable differences can be
> heard!
> 
> Only when you know it's there, it's really a psych
> stuff. When
> another person sneaky switches the cable without
> your permission YOU
> REALLY DON'T hear a difference. I did this 20 years
> back when this
> issue was hot.
> That remembers me another issue, a not connected
> turbo switch in a
> PC, owner claimes speed increase bij turbo on.
> Don't fool yourself; use magic/witchcraft or believe
> even in God ;-)
> 
> 
> Maurits
> 
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Nov  3 23:33:32 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:33:32 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
In-Reply-To: <3A012E44.7DC412DC@sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <001c01c045e6$18c2fb40$d56743d4@a4s1s2>


Marc said:
>

> Steve:
>
> If there's anything that doesn't interest you on Naktalk, then
> delete it.  ...... I would love to
> meet any of them and
> they can all be assured of my warm hospitality ( fine music and
> everything else that
> goes with it) if ever in my neck of the woods.
>
> Marc Hugo
>
>


Okay guys - I suggest the New Year Party will be at Marc's place - bring
your own beer and Marc will provide the Nakified music!

Gra'

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Nov  3 23:33:41 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:33:41 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
In-Reply-To: <3A02D2E9.74DAAE93@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <002401c045e6$1de7d0a0$d56743d4@a4s1s2>


>
Ron said ...

 People
> conduct holy wars over the issue of interconnects,

Oh no!  Let's not get on that religious debate again ...


:¬)


>

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sat Nov  4 00:09:04 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:09:04 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
References: <001c01c045e6$18c2fb40$d56743d4@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <00d601c045eb$10fb2720$0100007f@localhost>

Sorry, I'll pass... The embassy refused with visa just after they hear
"Nakamichi"...
They considered us to be a dangerous maniacs ;-) So Graham you will have to
take
double beer for me!

> Marc said:
> >
>
> > Steve:
> >
> > If there's anything that doesn't interest you on Naktalk, then
> > delete it.  ...... I would love to
> > meet any of them and
> > they can all be assured of my warm hospitality ( fine music and
> > everything else that
> > goes with it) if ever in my neck of the woods.
> >
> > Marc Hugo
> >
> >
>
>
> Okay guys - I suggest the New Year Party will be at Marc's place - bring
> your own beer and Marc will provide the Nakified music!
>
> Gra'

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Nov  4 00:55:03 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:55:03 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
In-Reply-To: <00d601c045eb$10fb2720$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <003601c045f1$7bdeae80$d56743d4@a4s1s2>

Curses!  And I was hoping you'd be bringing some of that Albanian or
Georgian cognac ... a few glasses of that and we'd have been well set up for
some A-B tests of those exotic interconnects versus Monster et al and Radio
Shack's finest ....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 03 November 2000 23:09
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>
>
> Sorry, I'll pass... The embassy refused with visa just after they hear
> "Nakamichi"...
> They considered us to be a dangerous maniacs ;-) So Graham you
> will have to
> take
> double beer for me!
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sat Nov  4 01:14:11 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:14:11 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
Message-ID: <05e501c045f4$292fa920$7293bccf@sank1>

I remember that cable evaluation in Audio Magazine years ago.  I thought it
was an appallingly poor test.  The biggest thing was that there was
absolutely no discussion of what equipment was used.  The worse the
equipment, the less likely you will hear a difference in cables.  I have
demonstrated cable differences to so many people so many times, that there
is simply no doubt in my mind that there are obvious differences.  I have
had many extremely skeptical people have their minds changed in a matter of
minutes.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) <oceanview5 at Home.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?


>I recall many years ago, back when Monster Cables first hit the market,
Audio Magazine,
>(who accepted advertising from Monster and the others coming on the scene)
performed
>several A, B , C double-blind tests on speaker cables. They used
audiophile listeners
>who purported to be able to hear a "difference" not just improvement,
between "hi end
>cables" and standard heavy-guage speaker cable. Their conclusion...  Beyond
the realm
>of random probability, there was no statistical evidence that the listeners
were able
>to tell the difference between various hi-end cables and plain old
heavy-guage speaker
>wire.
>
>This was a bold move on the magazine's part since they were biting the hand
(their
>advertisers) that was feeding them. Based upon this, I have since been
skeptical. At
>one point I was offered the opportunity to check out Monster Cable, and was
>underwhelmed. I couldn't hear any diference. Have things changed since
then? I don't
>know. But if the claims of the various cables and connectors being hocked
today are
>true, I think that some rather simple to perform tests like these could
prove their
>claims. Failing this I remain skeptical.
>
>To quote Dennis Miller, "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
>
>Gary
>
>BJGRADY at aol.com wrote:
>
>> The way I look at it is this-If u think that expensive cables make you
system
>> sound better, then awesome. If u don't, then don't buy them. All this is
>> purley subjective. I personally heard a dramatic difference on my system
>> using the Cardas stuff, so I bought some. As w/ all cables, try them on
YOUR
>> system first before u buy. That way there is no disappointments if u
don't
>> hear a change. This is another one of those discussions that will never
end.
>>
>> California John.
>>
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Sat Nov  4 01:34:13 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:34:13 EST
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
Message-ID: <76.4837c3b.2734b385@aol.com>

Hoping not to burn this cable thing to the ground, I thought I would ad this. 
Hopefully the cable skeptics are not going to use info on their decision to 
purchase cables based on a High Fidelity Mag test from many years back run by 
Julian Hirsch. This is the same guy who said all amps sound alike. Anyway, 
for fun, I am going to look for some AES reports that found that there is 
differences w/ signals traveling down different materials. Things such as the 
effects of different cooper, silver, ect material compositions. The effect of 
different dialetrics. Basically there are a lot of factors that can alter the 
signal running down a piece of wire; and I'm sure this could be an effect 
that is good or bad.  I hope that this is not straying off the Nak topic too 
much. Might be some good info for all to digest.

California John.    
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From audioguy1 at Home.com  Sat Nov  4 01:51:58 2000
From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:51:58 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <05e501c045f4$292fa920$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <3A035DAE.8C8A8CA7@home.com>

Just have to add my 2 cents. As a recording engineer, I know that many people spend way
more on interconnects for the home system than is spent on the actual cable used to
record what they are playing back. True, their are differences between extremely low
end cables and decent cables, but it's like making horsepower in a car, diminishing
returns. That little EXTRA is always gonna cost you way more.

Rick



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From ritchfan at airmail.net  Sat Nov  4 02:17:21 2000
From: ritchfan at airmail.net (Bobby Gervais)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:17:21 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
In-Reply-To: <76.4837c3b.2734b385@aol.com>
Message-ID: <v03007802b62911bbf196@[206.138.228.146]>

well I want to share something with you all that you can pursue if you like.
At Audio concepts in Houston, probably Houston's highest high end audio store,
I was introduced to a power device called "The Power Company".  I dont
really know anything about it other than it is an induction thing with
outlets on it. Costs a bunch. dont know why the hell I bought it because I
am usually conservative (i.e. miserly) with my money. But it was on
sale.....

Anyway the salesman was passionate that these things noticeably improve
sound. so I took one home and low and behold,  it did.
I was skeptical at first and told the salesman I would tape the before and
after.  Using the same settings, I taped the same audio clip without the
power Company and then with it.  I used my sony portable DAt with my core
sound mics.  The difference in bass was extremely noticeable.  I was
pleasantly surprised.

I have some info on this product if anyone is interested. I think the
company has a website too.  Would be happy to put the "different tracks" i
recorded on CDR for anyone who wants it (email me privately).  I am in no
way associated with this company or Audio Concepts.  I am a lawyer actually
(oops, did that just shoot down my credibility..???? heh heh).

How this relates to anything... well after the interconnect discussion I am
thinking if a high end interconnect company wants to convince us, then they
should record a before and after, and let us hear it for ourselves.  Unless
Steve Sank wants to have us all over to his house to give us his
demonstration!  ;-)

I hope this helps.  I really recommend the power company things. It is more
than just a high end surge protector/outlet thing (i used a powermax 1000
before).

It really works.

cheers to all

Bobby Gervais
Proud DR-1 owner who hopes to own
a Dragon someday!!


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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sat Nov  4 02:24:00 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 03:24:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
References: <003601c045f1$7bdeae80$d56743d4@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <001101c045fd$eb0b4280$0100007f@localhost>

Graham,

Armenian, not Albanian! Old Ararat, Ahtamar, etc...
And some of my home made cables, of course!
I'm making them from military litz, the only problem -
it takes so long that I'm already give up with four :)

Misha

PS: Hey, I'm alvays curious when I'm hear about OFC -
is there anyone who have seen cuprum that contains oxygen?
Of course there may be different grades of purity but
OFC - is completely commecial abreviation.

> Curses!  And I was hoping you'd be bringing some of that Albanian or
> Georgian cognac ... a few glasses of that and we'd have been well set up
for
> some A-B tests of those exotic interconnects versus Monster et al and
Radio
> Shack's finest ....


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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Sat Nov  4 02:25:38 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:25:38 EST
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
Message-ID: <43.c47924f.2734bf92@aol.com>

Yes, indeed the Power Company unit does work as you described, however, after 
auditioning a number of power conditioners, I found that by far the best was 
the BC85.1 from Blue Circle Audio. Though not cheap, it dramatically improves 
the sound of one's system - affording tighter bass, cleaner separation 
between instruments and less edge on the highs. Check one out, you'll see 
what I mean.

Rob
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Sat Nov  4 03:51:33 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:51:33 EST
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
Message-ID: <c3.aac4861.2734d3b5@aol.com>

I've been told that the new PS Audio power stuff is really good. Anyone w/ 
any experience w/ it?

Cal John.

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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Sat Nov  4 04:17:14 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:17:14 EST
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
Message-ID: <31.c125e61.2734d9ba@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/3/00 7:00:22 PM, BJGRADY at aol.com writes:

<< I've been told that the new PS Audio power stuff is really good. Anyone w/ 
any experience w/ it? >>

Yes, it was one of the units that my (very) nice dealer let me audition at 
home. It worked VERY well, and is actually not a power conditioner, but 
rather a power REGENERATOR. It actually recreates a perfect 60hz AC sine wave 
which is then fed to your components.

The problems with it?? Number one, the base model costs $1200.00. Number two, 
that base model will only provide 300 wats of power at 15amp - not enough to 
run my CD, DVD and Nak tape deck, let alone my other components such as my 
Nakamichi PA-1 amplifier which sucks 800 watts. To power my entire system 
(amp, pre-amp, tape deck, cd player, dvd player, subwoofer, vcr and tv - 
totalling 1875 watts) I would have to buy PS Audio's top-of-the-line model, 
the PS2000, which is $5000 - ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!!! If I went that route, 
my power supply would have cost more than my amp and pre-amp combined!! Trust 
me, try the Blue Circle BC85.1 - it yields virtually the same performance and 
is "only" $700. You can get one through Simply Music at www.audiogon.com. Ask 
for Garnet, he's a great guy.

Bye!

Rob Finkelman
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sat Nov  4 05:16:38 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:46:38 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <003b01c04616$08954900$42d60192@vsnl>

As a materials Engineer ; audio fan and dabbled with electronics as hobby ;
I believe that good Beer at a listening session makes a lot of difference
than any interconnect. So my request is what people drink during or before
the blind test should be also revealed along with what equipment they used
for evaluation!
Graham your wine will make a lot of difference - I am sure
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.


>Graham,
>
>Armenian, not Albanian! Old Ararat, Ahtamar, etc...
>And some of my home made cables, of course!
>I'm making them from military litz, the only problem -
>it takes so long that I'm already give up with four :)
>
>Misha
>
>PS: Hey, I'm alvays curious when I'm hear about OFC -
>is there anyone who have seen cuprum that contains oxygen?
>Of course there may be different grades of purity but
>OFC - is completely commecial abreviation.
>
>> Curses!  And I was hoping you'd be bringing some of that Albanian or
>> Georgian cognac ... a few glasses of that and we'd have been well set up
>for
>> some A-B tests of those exotic interconnects versus Monster et al and
>Radio
>> Shack's finest ....
>
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From marc at stager.com  Sat Nov  4 04:50:44 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 22:50:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
In-Reply-To: <3A035DAE.8C8A8CA7@home.com>
References: <05e501c045f4$292fa920$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001103223243.01d99500@mail.flashcom.net>

At 11/3/00, you wrote:
>Just have to add my 2 cents. As a recording engineer, I know that many 
>people spend way
>more on interconnects for the home system than is spent on the actual 
>cable used to
>record what they are playing back. True, there are differences between 
>extremely low
>end cables and decent cables, but it's like making horsepower in a car, 
>diminishing
>returns. That little EXTRA is always gonna cost you way more.
>
>Rick

===================================

Rick,

Pro users use balanced cable carrying low impedance runs
- sometimes running hundreds of feet in live sound reinforcement
applications.

Balanced cable, by its intrinsic nature, self-corrects due to the
symmetrical hot and cold signal path, cancelling most of the effect the
wire itself has on the signal. Unbalanced cable in a high impedance
application such as a consumer audio interconnect is far more prone to
introducing audible artifacts. The best you can do with an unbalanced
cable is to omit the shielding to achieve symmetry in the signal path
and to use Teflon insulation and the purest silver or copper conductor
possible. And keep the cable runs as short as possible to minimize
capacitance and the resultant HF losses. You will still be at a
disadvantage to a balanced cable since the cold side will also carry
the ground.

___________________________ Marc Stager




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From HerbChong at compuserve.com  Sat Nov  4 05:18:30 2000
From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:18:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
Message-ID: <200011032318_MC2-B98E-FF8B@compuserve.com>

computer power conditioners that also regenerate the sine wave exist and
they are a lot cheaper with perhaps equal supply quality. probably about
$300US for a 300 wat unit.

Herb....
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From HerbChong at compuserve.com  Sat Nov  4 05:21:41 2000
From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:21:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <200011032322_MC2-B98E-FF9E@compuserve.com>

i agree with Graham. the mood you are in is more influential on perceived
sound quality than changing among reasonably decent Interconnect will. you
should also note that the act of unplugging and replugging the same
interconnect can improve electrical contact. mechanical wiping of the
contacts has a fairly large effect on less well made unit connections.

Herb...
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Nov  4 13:52:38 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:52:38 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
In-Reply-To: <43.c47924f.2734bf92@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000201c0465e$1c987ec0$0d19883e@a4s1s2>

I'd agree that these devices can make a big difference in cleaning up the
sound from your system .... assuming the power signal you get is poor in the
first place - i.e. full of spikes, surges and noise, etc..  I've been using
two different ones for years, and I have a third which is one of those PC
back up devices with a battery.  However, they ain't all the same.  Those
used for computers can sometimes give you a worse sound - I am told this is
because they produce a square sine wave but I don't know for sure if this is
true.  Also, some of them can have the effect of dampening the dynamics of
the music, although it may sound cleaner in other respects - I am also told
that this effect is caused by some devices stopping enough power getting
through when it's needed by the amp.  May be, may be not.  However, I have
noticed these effects esp. when using the PC back up device in the audio
systems power chain.  That beaut' has a great effect on making t/t's and
tape decks sound much more stable (presumably because it ensures a constant
voltage but it also sucks the life out of dynamic music!

Graham

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Nov  4 14:15:29 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:15:29 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
In-Reply-To: <001101c045fd$eb0b4280$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000301c04661$4d9423a0$0d19883e@a4s1s2>

Armenian ... of course!  Sorry!   (Guys - forget the French stuff - try the
Armenian and Georgian cognacs ... guaranteed to make your Nak listening a
more mellow experience ... and may be cool some of those tempers out there,
too!!!  :┐)  )

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 04 November 2000 01:24
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>
>
> Graham,
>
> Armenian, not Albanian! Old Ararat, Ahtamar, etc...
> And some of my home made cables, of course!
> I'm making them from military litz, the only problem -
> it takes so long that I'm already give up with four :)
>
> Misha
>
> PS: Hey, I'm alvays curious when I'm hear about OFC -
> is there anyone who have seen cuprum that contains oxygen?
> Of course there may be different grades of purity but
> OFC - is completely commecial abreviation.
>
>

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Nov  4 14:15:31 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:15:31 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
In-Reply-To: <003b01c04616$08954900$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <000401c04661$4f0566e0$0d19883e@a4s1s2>

Kannan and guys,

Wine?!   Hey, I'm not French, you know!  We're talking spirits here ..
cognac or even a good single malt Scottish whisky.  Or a beer ... some of
that Malaysian "Tiger" lager would do a treat when doing those A-B tests for
making the Tandy's finest cables sound like a Monster or Van den Hul ...

But having said that, seriously now, my favourite cable hitherto has been
DNM's lovely stuff.  Very neutral sound, tight bass, and physically thin
enough to take DIN plugs for my Quad amps and tuner.  This definitely
surpasses Tandy's cables.  So - yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of snake oil
out there 'cos I know well enough that the value of the goodies is not what
it's made of or what it does that matters but what the seller can make us
punters perceive that it does.  As the Marketing guys here will confirm,
"perception is reality" - and that's the essence of marketing - creating a
perception to sell your goods for the highest price the market will stand.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Kannan. S
> Sent: 04 November 2000 04:17
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>
>
> As a materials Engineer ; audio fan and dabbled with electronics
> as hobby ;
> I believe that good Beer at a listening session makes a lot of difference
> than any interconnect. So my request is what people drink during or before
> the blind test should be also revealed along with what equipment they used
> for evaluation!
> Graham your wine will make a lot of difference - I am sure
> Kannan

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From HerbChong at compuserve.com  Sat Nov  4 16:32:03 2000
From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:32:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
Message-ID: <200011041032_MC2-B995-4D18@compuserve.com>

i am refering specifically to sine wave generators for computer power
supplies. they exist and they are quite a bit cheaper than the mentioned
$1200 price for the PS Audio one. however, that still does not make them
cheap. you are right, the square-wave generators make things worse instead
of better even for computers.

Herb....
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Nov  4 16:35:44 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:35:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
References: <003b01c04616$08954900$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <005001c04674$e986f360$a6496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Sam Adam's Octoberfest would convince me :-)

There is a guy selling cables on eBay that look really nice at $15.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=486308324

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.


> As a materials Engineer ; audio fan and dabbled with electronics as hobby
;
> I believe that good Beer at a listening session makes a lot of difference
> than any interconnect. So my request is what people drink during or before
> the blind test should be also revealed along with what equipment they used
> for evaluation!
> Graham your wine will make a lot of difference - I am sure
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>
>
> >Graham,
> >
> >Armenian, not Albanian! Old Ararat, Ahtamar, etc...
> >And some of my home made cables, of course!
> >I'm making them from military litz, the only problem -
> >it takes so long that I'm already give up with four :)
> >
> >Misha
> >
> >PS: Hey, I'm alvays curious when I'm hear about OFC -
> >is there anyone who have seen cuprum that contains oxygen?
> >Of course there may be different grades of purity but
> >OFC - is completely commecial abreviation.
> >
> >> Curses!  And I was hoping you'd be bringing some of that Albanian or
> >> Georgian cognac ... a few glasses of that and we'd have been well set
up
> >for
> >> some A-B tests of those exotic interconnects versus Monster et al and
> >Radio
> >> Shack's finest ....
> >
> >
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Nov  4 18:20:15 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 12:20:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <000201c0465e$1c987ec0$0d19883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <3A04454F.F93FE7D3@concentric.net>

Graham Nelson wrote:
> 
> I'd agree that these devices can make a big difference in cleaning up the
> sound from your system .... assuming the power signal you get is poor in the
> first place - i.e. full of spikes, surges and noise, etc..


You also have to assume that spikes, surges and noise
somehow affect audio quality -- meaning, that supply
rejection of your equipment is piss poor. I wonder why
would excellent engineers that build high-end audio
equipment be so stupid as to ignore such a major design
consideration?

IMO, power conditioners have ZERO effect on sound quality,
unless one has a serious problem with one's power line.
When so, that problem should be repaired at the source,
for (usually) far less cost, with (usually) far better
results.

-- Ron


> I've been using
> two different ones for years, and I have a third which is one of those PC
> back up devices with a battery.  However, they ain't all the same.  Those
> used for computers can sometimes give you a worse sound - I am told this is
> because they produce a square sine wave but I don't know for sure if this is
> true.  Also, some of them can have the effect of dampening the dynamics of
> the music, although it may sound cleaner in other respects - I am also told
> that this effect is caused by some devices stopping enough power getting
> through when it's needed by the amp.  May be, may be not.  However, I have
> noticed these effects esp. when using the PC back up device in the audio
> systems power chain.  That beaut' has a great effect on making t/t's and
> tape decks sound much more stable (presumably because it ensures a constant
> voltage but it also sucks the life out of dynamic music!
> 
> Graham
> 
> >
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Nov  4 19:56:53 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:56:53 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
In-Reply-To: <3A04454F.F93FE7D3@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c04690$ff5e9f00$0d19883e@a4s1s2>


Ron said:
> You also have to assume that spikes, surges and noise
> somehow affect audio quality -- meaning, that supply
> rejection of your equipment is piss poor. I wonder why
> would excellent engineers that build high-end audio
> equipment be so stupid as to ignore such a major design
> consideration?
> -- Ron
>
>

Well, in my case, the equipment isn't largely "high-end" but more modest. Or
else it is "vintage", when power supplies were often better quality than
they are now or else the audio engineers of the day didn't take these things
into consideration.  (Then again, sometimes the engineers of those days
sometimes over-built - e.g. the whacking great transformers in the Eico ST70
amp.  (I don't think you'd not see their like in any amp under £1k or
probably much more.   But I think the main point for today is that cheaper
gear very often does not take into account the "dirty power" issue because
the designers are designing to a fixed cost and those considerations may
take that outside the limit.  Thus, my brother's Wadia CD player is
completely unaffected by the power supply with or without the induction
device - it makes no difference whatever.  Nor his Linn LP12 with
top-of-the-range power supply.  However, it does seem to benefit his cheaper
Nak but less so the CR7.

At least, this is what I perceive to be the case .... but I'm no engineer
and stand to be corrected!

Graham

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From Denis117 at aol.com  Sat Nov  4 22:41:57 2000
From: Denis117 at aol.com (Denis117 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:41:57 EST
Subject: [naktalk] 480 Z
Message-ID: <54.b66a7cf.2735dca5@aol.com>

Hello,
I have a old 480Z. This cassette deck can't read a cassette correctly now.
He is always stop when i begin to read, wind or rewind a casette.
I think that the security is active.
Please, can i have some explaination about this probleme, or a copie of the 
notice of maintenance of the 480Z.

sorry about my english. I hope you have understand.

best regards.
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Nov  5 00:07:13 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:07:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <1003697388.20001103143007@saforas.lt>
Message-ID: <002c01c046b3$f8c7ae20$32312ac4@coqui.net>

Many bullshit has been said through the years about cables. It's not a
secret that cable is very profitable and that's why there're so many brands
around lately. Besides, 99% of the cables are made by other people for them.
The same people who make all kind of wires, do the audiophile stuff for
these brands. There's no black magic in this but you can certainly hear a
difference between a hardware store lamp wire and any of these costly
options. I can go on and on with behind the curtain secrets but I don't want
to spend extra bandwith. I will let you know anyway, that the cable that you
pay $25.00 per foot in some brands, hardly cost $2.50 or less for the
manufacturer. They buy these wires by spools with their names on the jacket
and later in their facilities they just add the connectors etc... while
other models are made completely by other people for them. The expensive
wire market it's so crazy that sometimes the fancy packages, jackets,
dielectrics etc ..  cost much more than the wire itself.

Why I know al this ? Because 10 years ago I use to have my own "Pro Audio"
brand that we use to sell to the pro audio community in here. You would be
very surprised and dissapointed as well if you know all the "secrets"
concerning this wire stuff.

Best,

The Tape Man



-- Original Message -----
From: "Giedrius Oginskas" <giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 7:30 AM
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?


> Dear Nak-gurus,
>
> It's my first message to this list. And I would like to ask what
> interconnects carry the 'charms' of a Nak deck best?
> I would be grateful for any your comments.
>
> BR,
> Giedrius
>
>


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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Nov  5 00:26:23 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:26:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
References: <05ab01c045bb$28748660$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <00a501c046b6$a5b26ce0$32312ac4@coqui.net>

Yeah ! That's my friend Lou Tumulo. I used to represent his brand in PR. Lou
used to work for one of these stupid and rididiculous priced brands long ago
and he is one of the most anti-cable bull shit person in the world. Very
nice person to deal with and he is able to make custom wires for you at very
reasonable prices. I love his interconnects and those AC cables too.

The Tape Man


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From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?


> My absolute favorite interconnects(and I've auditioned lots of 'em, up to
> the price of a car) are from a little company in New Jersey called LAT
> International.  Their top grade interconnect, which I have yet to find a
> better of, is about $150/1m pair, which is dirt cheap compared to what it
> beats.  The lower models are proportionately great, even the actually
cheap
> ones.  Speaker & power cables are equally great & equally great value.  I
> have been using their stuff for the last 8 years or so.  I believe the
> website is http://www.lat-intl.com but they always have a little ad in the
> back of Stereophile if that's wrong.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giedrius Oginskas <giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:54 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
>
>
> >Dear Nak-gurus,
> >
> >It's my first message to this list. And I would like to ask what
> >interconnects carry the 'charms' of a Nak deck best?
> >I would be grateful for any your comments.
> >
> >BR,
> >Giedrius
> >
> >
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Nov  4 23:52:11 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:52:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <43.c47924f.2734bf92@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A04931B.5C67AC61@concentric.net>

JaqDRipper at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, indeed the Power Company unit does work as you described, however, after
> auditioning a number of power conditioners, I found that by far the best was
> the BC85.1 from Blue Circle Audio. Though not cheap, it dramatically improves
> the sound of one's system - affording tighter bass, cleaner separation
> between instruments and less edge on the highs. Check one out, you'll see
> what I mean.
> 
> Rob

Rob, no offense intended, but I wish you (or anyone
else) would explain how can a power conditioner cause
such things as tighter bass, cleaner separation
between instruments and less edge on the highs. Does
it also cure bad breath?

-- Ron
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Sun Nov  5 01:08:22 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 01:08:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <43.c47924f.2734bf92@aol.com> <3A04931B.5C67AC61@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <02c801c046bc$82c7c4e0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
>
> Rob, no offense intended, but I wish you (or anyone
> else) would explain how can a power conditioner cause
> such things as tighter bass, cleaner separation
> between instruments and less edge on the highs. Does
> it also cure bad breath?

Yesss, if you pay enough $$$, the esoteric sound mafia can cure
anything.
Electrons doesn't matter if they travel in wire of a nickel or $ 200
Lots of people (technicans, books, magazines) earns big bucks because
of stupid people who believes it.
It's a bloody shame and I'm furious about it. I know religious
fanatics can't be changed, same for the High End lovers with there
Interlinks, Valve Amps >$1000 and up.


Maurits

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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Sun Nov  5 01:19:39 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:19:39 EST
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
Message-ID: <23.3121b9c.2736019b@aol.com>

Rob-Curious, why would u ask an engineering type question to a listener who 
may not be an engineer? If he likes what he hears, so be it. The point I 
tried to make earlier & I think should be said again, if it makes the 
listener happy, then to him, the product works.  Psycho-acoustics at work? 
Maybe. It seems that all 'non-expensive cable users' almost seem to have a 
demeaning tone when speaking to a high dollar cable user. Like the buyer is 
stupid or something. I don't get it. 

Cal John.
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Nov  5 01:32:46 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:32:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
In-Reply-To: <3A04931B.5C67AC61@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c046bf$eb075cc0$0d19883e@a4s1s2>

I quote from a brochure of a UK maker, Radar Developments, of these types of
devices...

Their "PC100" was said to "remove all transients and spikes super-imposed at
any phase angle on the voltage wave form.  Spikes of this kind with an edge
of down to 0.1 uS and a duration of up to 300mS can be removed...."

It would also "remove harmonic distortion" created by fridges, freezers,
cookers, central heating, pumps, etc, and offer a "wave form having a total
harmonic distortion of less than 3%."

This device also "filled" main supply "brown-outs".

It also had within "two current balanced inductors in combination with a
massive bank of 13 capacitors to clean up all common mode and differential
mode noise..."

In other words it cleaned up powerline noise, RF interference, high energy
spikes and voltage transients, which I imagine is what the other devices
seek to do, too.

They claimed that "corrupt power is armful to fragile electronic
circuits..." and that the daily, even weekly cyclic variations of this
phenomena explained why many a hi fi system will sound better at some times
of the day than it does at others.  E.g.  late night, when most folk have
gone to bed and there is less demand on the power, listening may seem to
hear the hi fi sounding sweeter than it does between 18:00 and 20:00 of an
evening when all the electric ovens, kettles, grills, etc are switching in
and out...

Now, I don't pretend to understand much of this or how it works on the hi fi
system itself;  however, I have listened to this device for years, in and
out of the powerline, and another "power conditioner" designed by BT
(originally used to clean up the power for telecommunications equipment) and
what I have heard is very much like Rob describes - more "space" between
instruments in the sound stage (cleaner separation), tighter (even deeper)
bass and less "metallic" treble ("less edge on the highs".)

Sadly, Radar Developments are no longer in business.  However, they were in
long enough for me to acquire their PC250 conditioner, which offers a 2000
Watt load through 6 IEC outputs.  And when I bought it, around 10 years ago,
it only cost £129!  May be that's why they went out of business ...  I also
bought from them three "virtual battery" devices, which I assume contain
banks of capacitors, that act much like batteries in giving an almost
perfect sine wave and stable voltage.  However, I t end not to use them very
often because they seem to squeeze the dynamics out of the music unless they
are connected in parallel.

Does this make sense to anyone?

Graham


>Ron asked of Rob:
>
> Rob, no offense intended, but I wish you (or anyone
> else) would explain how can a power conditioner cause
> such things as tighter bass, cleaner separation
> between instruments and less edge on the highs. Does
> it also cure bad breath?
>
>

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sun Nov  5 01:40:38 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:40:38 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 480 Z
Message-ID: <000601c046c1$0524bca0$7393bccf@sank1>

It sounds exactly like the light source lamp for the auto-stop reel motion
sensor is dead.  If you remove the front panel, you can then follow the belt
from the take-up reel table down to a perforated wheel that is black in
color.  A small circuit board will be next to it with a small lamp on the
side facing you.  If you turn on the power & the lamp does not come on, it
is the fault.  The lamp is Nak part #OB08466, but any same-size lamp that is
12v-14v & 30-50mA will do just fine.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: Denis117 at aol.com <Denis117 at aol.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: denis117 at aol.fr <denis117 at aol.fr>
Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 3:09 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 480 Z


>Hello,
>I have a old 480Z. This cassette deck can't read a cassette correctly now.
>He is always stop when i begin to read, wind or rewind a casette.
>I think that the security is active.
>Please, can i have some explaination about this probleme, or a copie of the
>notice of maintenance of the 480Z.
>
>sorry about my english. I hope you have understand.
>
>best regards.
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From neut6o1 at gladstone.uoregon.edu  Sun Nov  5 02:20:08 2000
From: neut6o1 at gladstone.uoregon.edu (Chris Heady)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:20:08 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Small Nak fix needed
Message-ID: <001201c046c6$89582ca0$0300000a@thevillage>

Hello Nakophiles,

I need some advice. I have a Nak 582 that I love dearly. For a few months I have not been using it often because of a small problem. The stop button light has burned out, and subsequently the sound has muted. I can only play tapes at low volume even with my stereo volume at full. I know from reading this mailing list and other sources that the stop light is connected to a resistor that boosts the volume. 

Here is my question do any of you know a reputable repair shop in the Portland Oregon area that will be able to replace my bulb for a reasonable price? I have been to one place that wanted a $40.00 fee before they would look at it (fee counts toward repair of course). I didn't see the need to spend that much to replace a bulb, so if you guys could help me, I would appreciate it.


Chris Heady
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Sun Nov  5 03:08:03 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 03:08:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <23.3121b9c.2736019b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005401c046cd$3c43cc10$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>

----- Original Message -----
From: <BJGRADY at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device


>  Like the buyer is stupid or something. I don't get it.

Probably the buyer is brainwashed the last 20 years by editors of
Audio magazines.
They tell the reader they can manipulate ELECTRONS by using an
expensive kabel.
But electrons can't be manipulated to sound better.


Maurits



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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Nov  5 03:17:33 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 21:17:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Small Nak fix needed
References: <001201c046c6$89582ca0$0300000a@thevillage>
Message-ID: <3A04C33D.B07447A8@concentric.net>

> Chris Heady wrote:
> 
> Hello Nakophiles,
> 
> I need some advice. I have a Nak 582 that I love dearly.
> For a few months I have not been using it often because of
> a small problem. The stop button light has burned out, and
> subsequently the sound has muted. I can only play tapes at
> low volume even with my stereo volume at full. I know from
> reading this mailing list and other sources that the stop
> light is connected to a resistor that boosts the volume.
> 
> Here is my question do any of you know a reputable repair
> shop in the Portland Oregon area that will be able to
> replace my bulb for a reasonable price? I have been to one
> place that wanted a $40.00 fee before they would look at
> it (fee counts toward repair of course). I didn't see the
> need to spend that much to replace a bulb, so if you guys
> could help me, I would appreciate it.
> 
> 
> Chris Heady

I just replaced a lamp in my CR-7. The part cost $7 (but S/H
doubled that). The job took me about an hour. (Granted, if I
had to do it again, it would take far less.) I never had to
replace a bulb in my 582, but if it takes the same time, 40
bucks is a bargain, seeing what techs charge for their time
nowadays.

-- Ron
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From oceanview5 at Home.com  Sun Nov  5 03:40:01 2000
From: oceanview5 at Home.com (oceanview5@home.com (Gary))
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:40:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <23.3121b9c.2736019b@aol.com> <005401c046cd$3c43cc10$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>
Message-ID: <3A04C880.45D006BC@home.com>

I have a psycho-acoustic magic wand for sale. While I know at $10,000 it may seem a
little on the high side, I figure that if I only charged $1 for it, the psycho-acoustic
effect wouldn't be nearly as great. Hey, why not spend the bucks on something that will
have a REAL effect. Or for that matter, how about buying some music to listen to?

=============================

Maurits wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BJGRADY at aol.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device
>
> >  Like the buyer is stupid or something. I don't get it.
>
> Probably the buyer is brainwashed the last 20 years by editors of
> Audio magazines.
> They tell the reader they can manipulate ELECTRONS by using an
> expensive kabel.
> But electrons can't be manipulated to sound better.
>
> Maurits
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Nov  5 04:12:58 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 22:12:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <23.3121b9c.2736019b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A04D03A.2A098354@concentric.net>

BJGRADY at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Rob-Curious, why would u ask an engineering type question
> to a listener who
> may not be an engineer? If he likes what he hears, so be
> it. The point I
> tried to make earlier & I think should be said again, if
> it makes the
> listener happy, then to him, the product works.
>  Psycho-acoustics at work?
> Maybe. It seems that all 'non-expensive cable users'
> almost seem to have a
> demeaning tone when speaking to a high dollar cable user.
> Like the buyer is
> stupid or something. I don't get it.
> 
> Cal John.

If I told you that my car was going faster because I
painted it yellow, would you accept this on faith, or
would you ask an Engineering type question, (like
why)?

-- Ron
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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Sun Nov  5 04:56:39 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:56:39 EST
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
Message-ID: <18.47141d8.27363477@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/4/00 2:56:00 PM, raah at concentric.net writes:

<< Rob, no offense intended, but I wish you (or anyone
else) would explain how can a power conditioner cause
such things as tighter bass, cleaner separation
between instruments and less edge on the highs. Does
it also cure bad breath?

-- Ron >>


Don't take my word or anybody else's in regards to anything in this world, 
Ron. Try it for yourself and decide. If you suffer from bad TV picture, for 
example (full of noise and interference), plug the TV into a BC conditioner, 
and I guarantee ALL of the picture distortion will vanish. Likewise for 
audio. The conditioner will remove all RF and EMI from the line and shunt it 
to ground, thus improving all aspects of the sound (bass, highs and the other 
things I mentioned). If you want to know how, call Gilbert - the owner and 
designer at Blue Circle. He's very accessible and will explain in detail the 
theory and mechanics behind his designs. 
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sun Nov  5 06:14:03 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:44:03 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Small Nak fix needed
Message-ID: <003001c046e7$36ec0100$42d60192@vsnl>

My 582 had same problem ( fortunately the monitor switch conked out and I removed and soldered the tape connection only - changing one connection where the mute power to source mode; my line got always sound- though you will hear more hiss due to the circuit is live when you stop the play, but I was blissfully not aware of this problem though!)  recently I noticed this problem and I had bought  a lamp (12 V ) -electronic stores have huge variety of them and connected two in serial to reduce the current consumption and replaced that in the place of stop lamp. I could not locate same miniature lamp in India - probably the same case everywhere.
So solution is to buy such lamps - you may get two for a dollar and replace
Kannan
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Heady <neut6o1 at gladstone.uoregon.edu>
    To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
    Date: Sunday, November 05, 2000 7:42 AM
    Subject: [naktalk] Small Nak fix needed
    
    
    Hello Nakophiles,
    
    I need some advice. I have a Nak 582 that I love dearly. For a few months I have not been using it often because of a small problem. The stop button light has burned out, and subsequently the sound has muted. I can only play tapes at low volume even with my stereo volume at full. I know from reading this mailing list and other sources that the stop light is connected to a resistor that boosts the volume. 
    
    Here is my question do any of you know a reputable repair shop in the Portland Oregon area that will be able to replace my bulb for a reasonable price? I have been to one place that wanted a $40.00 fee before they would look at it (fee counts toward repair of course). I didn't see the need to spend that much to replace a bulb, so if you guys could help me, I would appreciate it.
    
    
    Chris Heady
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From sound at mindspring.com  Sun Nov  5 12:30:11 2000
From: sound at mindspring.com (freddy)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 06:30:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <18.47141d8.27363477@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c0471b$c339ad40$c52745cf@sound>

Hey everyone,

I usually wouldn't speak up on this forum (others being way more
knowledgeable about Naks), ahh but a.c. and audio is another story.(17 years
in the music and film audio world at 33).  Get rid of a.c. in a recording
setup and watch the noise floor drop, see it on a meter. Listen to a
NAGRA(analog or digital) or FOSTEX PD-2/SONASAX/SCHOEPPS combo running off
of a.c. then a battery system, it is easily heard.  The only DESIGN I think
that really helps when you need a.cto power electronics, especially digital
is BALANCED A.C.,just like balanced audio lines, differences between the
legs is put to ground(+60/-60). A few companies make these. Equi=tech
invented this a few years ago.  It is new code that also is a safety issue
in new venues being built. . The AES did some articles a while back.  I have
used these type of systems in newer remote trucks recording live
concerts(digital multitrack trucks) with easily heard results with balanced
power. Yes most others are snake oil. I've measured, tested, taken apart and
used most of the designs out there.  I come accross all types of systems in
my field as a hired gun.
http://www.equitech.com/articles/overview.htm
http://www.equitech.com/articles/articles.htm

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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Nov  5 16:44:01 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 10:44:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <18.47141d8.27363477@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A058041.D616FC0@concentric.net>

JaqDRipper at aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 11/4/00 2:56:00 PM, raah at concentric.net writes:
> 
> << Rob, no offense intended, but I wish you (or anyone
> else) would explain how can a power conditioner cause
> such things as tighter bass, cleaner separation
> between instruments and less edge on the highs. Does
> it also cure bad breath?
> 
> -- Ron >>
> 
> Don't take my word or anybody else's in regards to anything in this world,
> Ron. Try it for yourself and decide.

This is exactly what I was responding to. Some
claims, I don't bother to try for myself, 
because they do not make sense. This is where
a technical education and experience come in
handy. I have designed enough power supplies
in my life to have an inkling of what's going
on here...

If I told you that drinking bird's milk each
morning (at the ridiculously low, practically
symbolic price of $200 per month supply) will
make your hair grow faster, will you bother
to 'Try it for yourself [to] decide.'?

> If you suffer from bad TV picture, for
> example (full of noise and interference), plug the TV into a BC conditioner,
> and I guarantee ALL of the picture distortion will vanish.

Not so. 99.99% of the time, it's going to be a
bad antenna or a bad TV. (One in ten thousand,
maybe, will be due to power line).

> Likewise for
> audio. The conditioner will remove all RF and EMI from the line and shunt it
> to ground, thus improving all aspects of the sound (bass, highs and the other
> things I mentioned).

This assumes that enough RF and EMI exist on the
line in the first place and that the equipment is
sensitive to whatever does exist on the line. FYI,
any modern design is tested and characterized not
only for EMI emissions, but also for EMI
susceptibility.

This also assumes that EMI must harm bass, lows and
the other things you mentioned.

BTW, even if EMI does exist on the line and the
conditioner does remove it, if you have such poorly
designed equipment, what makes you think it does
not pick up the same existing EMI through radiation?

> If you want to know how, call Gilbert - the owner and
> designer at Blue Circle. He's very accessible and will explain in detail the
> theory and mechanics behind his designs.

With all due respect, I am very leery of the pseudo
technical explanations offered by tweak manufacturers.
Monster's BS about their multi-strand interconnects,
Kimber's mumble jumble about their speaker cables
designed as 'storage device' and the conditioner
manufacturer (I forget which) that says their
conditioner removes power line distortion...

In closing -- I agree that the power line can be a
source of of A/V system problems (probably, in very,
very few instances). However, if so, it should be
corrected at the source, for a tiny fraction of
what A/V conditioners go for.

Regards,
 
-- Ron
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Nov  5 18:15:29 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:15:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
References: <003b01c04616$08954900$42d60192@vsnl> <005001c04674$e986f360$a6496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <002901c0474b$ff926f40$ab496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Strange coincidence, our local Monkey Ward store has a Monster Cable
clearance sale on now, 50% off all their cables.  I picked up three
Interlink packs at $5.00 each.  This  must be around Radio Shack prices so a
no brainer.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.


> Sam Adam's Octoberfest would convince me :-)
>
> There is a guy selling cables on eBay that look really nice at $15.00
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=486308324
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>
>
> > As a materials Engineer ; audio fan and dabbled with electronics as
hobby
> ;
> > I believe that good Beer at a listening session makes a lot of
difference
> > than any interconnect. So my request is what people drink during or
before
> > the blind test should be also revealed along with what equipment they
used
> > for evaluation!
> > Graham your wine will make a lot of difference - I am sure
> > Kannan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
> >
> >
> > >Graham,
> > >
> > >Armenian, not Albanian! Old Ararat, Ahtamar, etc...
> > >And some of my home made cables, of course!
> > >I'm making them from military litz, the only problem -
> > >it takes so long that I'm already give up with four :)
> > >
> > >Misha
> > >
> > >PS: Hey, I'm alvays curious when I'm hear about OFC -
> > >is there anyone who have seen cuprum that contains oxygen?
> > >Of course there may be different grades of purity but
> > >OFC - is completely commecial abreviation.
> > >
> > >> Curses!  And I was hoping you'd be bringing some of that Albanian or
> > >> Georgian cognac ... a few glasses of that and we'd have been well set
> up
> > >for
> > >> some A-B tests of those exotic interconnects versus Monster et al and
> > >Radio
> > >> Shack's finest ....
> > >
> > >
> >
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From ktrogers at execulink.com  Sun Nov  5 18:45:03 2000
From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:45:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <23.3121b9c.2736019b@aol.com> <3A04D03A.2A098354@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c04750$218fc580$f302efd1@kevinrog>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device

I really think that this discussion has gone far enough. This argument has
been going on for years and will go on for years without being resolved.
Leave it to the individual to choose, as Cal John says, if you can hear it,
great, if not, don't buy expensive cables. BTW Kannan can a new faceplate
for a Dragon be obtained from Nakamichi in your area?.

Kevin


> BJGRADY at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Rob-Curious, why would u ask an engineering type question
> > to a listener who
> > may not be an engineer? If he likes what he hears, so be
> > it. The point I
> > tried to make earlier & I think should be said again, if
> > it makes the
> > listener happy, then to him, the product works.
> >  Psycho-acoustics at work?
> > Maybe. It seems that all 'non-expensive cable users'
> > almost seem to have a
> > demeaning tone when speaking to a high dollar cable user.
> > Like the buyer is
> > stupid or something. I don't get it.
> >
> > Cal John.
>
> If I told you that my car was going faster because I
> painted it yellow, would you accept this on faith, or
> would you ask an Engineering type question, (like
> why)?
>
> -- Ron
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Nov  6 04:59:21 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:29:21 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
Message-ID: <001201c047a5$f31e5080$42d60192@vsnl>

John
too bad you revealed the price ; otherwise these cables may fetch you
hundreds if auctioned at ebay.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.


>Strange coincidence, our local Monkey Ward store has a Monster Cable
>clearance sale on now, 50% off all their cables.  I picked up three
>Interlink packs at $5.00 each.  This  must be around Radio Shack prices so
a
>no brainer.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>
>
>> Sam Adam's Octoberfest would convince me :-)
>>
>> There is a guy selling cables on eBay that look really nice at $15.00
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=486308324
>>
>> John
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>>
>>
>> > As a materials Engineer ; audio fan and dabbled with electronics as
>hobby
>> ;
>> > I believe that good Beer at a listening session makes a lot of
>difference
>> > than any interconnect. So my request is what people drink during or
>before
>> > the blind test should be also revealed along with what equipment they
>used
>> > for evaluation!
>> > Graham your wine will make a lot of difference - I am sure
>> > Kannan
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
>> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:48 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>> >
>> >
>> > >Graham,
>> > >
>> > >Armenian, not Albanian! Old Ararat, Ahtamar, etc...
>> > >And some of my home made cables, of course!
>> > >I'm making them from military litz, the only problem -
>> > >it takes so long that I'm already give up with four :)
>> > >
>> > >Misha
>> > >
>> > >PS: Hey, I'm alvays curious when I'm hear about OFC -
>> > >is there anyone who have seen cuprum that contains oxygen?
>> > >Of course there may be different grades of purity but
>> > >OFC - is completely commecial abreviation.
>> > >
>> > >> Curses!  And I was hoping you'd be bringing some of that Albanian or
>> > >> Georgian cognac ... a few glasses of that and we'd have been well
set
>> up
>> > >for
>> > >> some A-B tests of those exotic interconnects versus Monster et al
and
>> > >Radio
>> > >> Shack's finest ....
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Nov  6 05:02:45 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:32:45 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
Message-ID: <001f01c047a6$6b4374a0$42d60192@vsnl>

Can you tell me the part number of Dragon face plate or do you mean the
entire front faceplate containing the printed descrption of all functions
etc- I can find the part number?
If you clarify I can ask Japanese Nak. Most of the parts for Nak Dragon is
available at Naks Japan
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Rogers <ktrogers at execulink.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device


>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device
>
>I really think that this discussion has gone far enough. This argument has
>been going on for years and will go on for years without being resolved.
>Leave it to the individual to choose, as Cal John says, if you can hear it,
>great, if not, don't buy expensive cables. BTW Kannan can a new faceplate
>for a Dragon be obtained from Nakamichi in your area?.
>
>Kevin
>
>
>> BJGRADY at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Rob-Curious, why would u ask an engineering type question
>> > to a listener who
>> > may not be an engineer? If he likes what he hears, so be
>> > it. The point I
>> > tried to make earlier & I think should be said again, if
>> > it makes the
>> > listener happy, then to him, the product works.
>> >  Psycho-acoustics at work?
>> > Maybe. It seems that all 'non-expensive cable users'
>> > almost seem to have a
>> > demeaning tone when speaking to a high dollar cable user.
>> > Like the buyer is
>> > stupid or something. I don't get it.
>> >
>> > Cal John.
>>
>> If I told you that my car was going faster because I
>> painted it yellow, would you accept this on faith, or
>> would you ask an Engineering type question, (like
>> why)?
>>
>> -- Ron
>>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Nov  6 05:31:43 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:01:43 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 682 on ebay
Message-ID: <005701c047aa$77977180$42d60192@vsnl>


Guys there is a 682z come up at ebay. I have not seen any 682 so far at
ebay.
Kannan
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=488453479

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From kfendt at web.de  Mon Nov  6 07:31:30 2000
From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:31:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
In-Reply-To: <001f01c047a6$6b4374a0$42d60192@vsnl>
References: <001f01c047a6$6b4374a0$42d60192@vsnl>
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Kannan,

is it true that you possibly can get parts of Dragon face plates? If
so could you please check out whether there is the part of the
cassette door with the NAAC indicators is available and which costs I
would have to pay for that. If the little part is not available alone
I'm also interested in the price for the complete cassette door face
plate. Unfortunately I don't know any Nakamichi part numbers but I'm
sure Stephen could provide you with the necessary information.

Regards

    Klaus Fendt

Am Montag, 6. November 2000, 05:02:45, habe ich folgende Zeilen erhalten:

> Can you tell me the part number of Dragon face plate or do you mean the
> entire front faceplate containing the printed descrption of all
> functions etc- I can find the part number?
> If you clarify I can ask Japanese Nak. Most of the parts for Nak Dragon
> is available at Naks Japan
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Rogers <ktrogers at execulink.com>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Nov  6 08:57:54 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:27:54 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
Message-ID: <000801c047c7$45dc3fa0$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Klaus Fendt and Naktalkers
I have Dragon service manual so let me find out the part number and ask Nak
japan.
I want to make it clear that getting parts in to India has its own problems
and would prefer the parts directly shipped to destination, also payment is
another area we have to work it out as India is OK to receive foreign
currency but still a taboo to send money out - But last few years India had
liberalised and find my company sending money for travel expanses of our
employees is easy.  Individual like me sending money is another area which I
am avoiding till now.
Finally I get replies immediately from Nak japan most of the times but not
easily sometimes. So bear with me.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Klaus Fendt <kfendt at web.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:57 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts


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>Kannan,
>
>is it true that you possibly can get parts of Dragon face plates? If
>so could you please check out whether there is the part of the
>cassette door with the NAAC indicators is available and which costs I
>would have to pay for that. If the little part is not available alone
>I'm also interested in the price for the complete cassette door face
>plate. Unfortunately I don't know any Nakamichi part numbers but I'm
>sure Stephen could provide you with the necessary information.
>
>Regards
>
>    Klaus Fendt
>
>Am Montag, 6. November 2000, 05:02:45, habe ich folgende Zeilen erhalten:
>
>> Can you tell me the part number of Dragon face plate or do you mean the
>> entire front faceplate containing the printed descrption of all
>> functions etc- I can find the part number?
>> If you clarify I can ask Japanese Nak. Most of the parts for Nak Dragon
>> is available at Naks Japan
>> Kannan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Rogers <ktrogers at execulink.com>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Nov  6 09:33:21 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:33:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
References: <000801c047c7$45dc3fa0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A066CD1.D26D780F@xs4all.nl>

Just to inform, my Dragon could also use a new faceplate, all lettering has faded and
is on some buttons (eject / power) completely gone..

So maybe there are more people intersted and we can get some in one shipment or
something like that?

Wouter


"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Dear Klaus Fendt and Naktalkers
> I have Dragon service manual so let me find out the part number and ask Nak
> japan.
> I want to make it clear that getting parts in to India has its own problems
> and would prefer the parts directly shipped to destination, also payment is
> another area we have to work it out as India is OK to receive foreign
> currency but still a taboo to send money out - But last few years India had
> liberalised and find my company sending money for travel expanses of our
> employees is easy.  Individual like me sending money is another area which I
> am avoiding till now.
> Finally I get replies immediately from Nak japan most of the times but not
> easily sometimes. So bear with me.
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus Fendt <kfendt at web.de>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:57 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
>
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >Kannan,
> >
> >is it true that you possibly can get parts of Dragon face plates? If
> >so could you please check out whether there is the part of the
> >cassette door with the NAAC indicators is available and which costs I
> >would have to pay for that. If the little part is not available alone
> >I'm also interested in the price for the complete cassette door face
> >plate. Unfortunately I don't know any Nakamichi part numbers but I'm
> >sure Stephen could provide you with the necessary information.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >    Klaus Fendt
> >
> >Am Montag, 6. November 2000, 05:02:45, habe ich folgende Zeilen erhalten:
> >
> >> Can you tell me the part number of Dragon face plate or do you mean the
> >> entire front faceplate containing the printed descrption of all
> >> functions etc- I can find the part number?
> >> If you clarify I can ask Japanese Nak. Most of the parts for Nak Dragon
> >> is available at Naks Japan
> >> Kannan
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kevin Rogers <ktrogers at execulink.com>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:09 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device
> >
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Nov  6 09:37:05 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:37:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 682 on ebay
References: <005701c047aa$77977180$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A066DB1.D228F5CD@xs4all.nl>

Yes, I also haven't seen many on ebay, its quite rare and hard to find!
The 680ZX'es are far less-rare and quite easy to find..
I'm Lucky to have both but do prefer the 680ZX, even for it's FL meters which are of
better quality and have more segments..
The calibration of the 682ZX could be preferred, but a well calibrated 680ZX will also
do the trick if you ask me!

Wouter

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Guys there is a 682z come up at ebay. I have not seen any 682 so far at
> ebay.
> Kannan
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=488453479
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Nov  6 11:50:02 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:50:02 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
In-Reply-To: <3A066CD1.D26D780F@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001106115002.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Everybody,

I just recognised some other little problem with my BX150. The record level
slider (it seem's only to be the right one) produces noise in the recording
if moved. Interestingly I can't here it during recording, only afterwards on
the tape.

This sound like a oxidized potentiometer -- and my question is there a chance
to clean it up or is a new one the only feesible option? How difficult is it
to change these? (I didn't have a loook inside yet).

And could it be that some other "switch" or slider produces noise every time
I switch while recording from rec to pause and back? I heard some times (not
always) scratchy noise after I switch from pause to record again (play
button). The noise will be for 1 or 2 seconds, then it's gone. 

Any idea what that is? A switch for the change from play to record would be
set to record if I'm in record-pause, so that shouldn't be switched again if
I start the tape. Motor noise? But it's no hum, sound more like a bad poti
too.


Thanks,

Karl-Heinz



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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Nov  6 13:50:09 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:50:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
References: <001201c047a5$f31e5080$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <000e01c047f0$1929d930$a8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Shucks!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.


> John
> too bad you revealed the price ; otherwise these cables may fetch you
> hundreds if auctioned at ebay.
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
>
>
> >Strange coincidence, our local Monkey Ward store has a Monster Cable
> >clearance sale on now, 50% off all their cables.  I picked up three
> >Interlink packs at $5.00 each.  This  must be around Radio Shack prices
so
> a
> >no brainer.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:35 AM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
> >
> >
> >> Sam Adam's Octoberfest would convince me :-)
> >>
> >> There is a guy selling cables on eBay that look really nice at $15.00
> >>
> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=486308324
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> >> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:16 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
> >>
> >>
> >> > As a materials Engineer ; audio fan and dabbled with electronics as
> >hobby
> >> ;
> >> > I believe that good Beer at a listening session makes a lot of
> >difference
> >> > than any interconnect. So my request is what people drink during or
> >before
> >> > the blind test should be also revealed along with what equipment they
> >used
> >> > for evaluation!
> >> > Graham your wine will make a lot of difference - I am sure
> >> > Kannan
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> >> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> > Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:48 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Intolerance where it doesn't belong.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >Graham,
> >> > >
> >> > >Armenian, not Albanian! Old Ararat, Ahtamar, etc...
> >> > >And some of my home made cables, of course!
> >> > >I'm making them from military litz, the only problem -
> >> > >it takes so long that I'm already give up with four :)
> >> > >
> >> > >Misha
> >> > >
> >> > >PS: Hey, I'm alvays curious when I'm hear about OFC -
> >> > >is there anyone who have seen cuprum that contains oxygen?
> >> > >Of course there may be different grades of purity but
> >> > >OFC - is completely commecial abreviation.
> >> > >
> >> > >> Curses!  And I was hoping you'd be bringing some of that Albanian
or
> >> > >> Georgian cognac ... a few glasses of that and we'd have been well
> set
> >> up
> >> > >for
> >> > >> some A-B tests of those exotic interconnects versus Monster et al
> and
> >> > >Radio
> >> > >> Shack's finest ....
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
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From giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt  Mon Nov  6 14:36:23 2000
From: giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt (Giedrius Oginskas)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:36:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] due to interconnects
Message-ID: <1896905770.20001106153623@saforas.lt>

Just looked through the digests. Thanks a lot for your comments. In my
opinion, there is no sense to argue about like who believes or not in
interconnects. To me, the cable is like a filter (or crossover) which
more or less degrades a signal. There should be differences, but not
dramatic if to talk about makes of good quality (nothing special -
just good connections, materials and honest design). There are slight
nuances like special tonal balance or ambiance which, we all have
heard, the Nakamichi decks are famous for. And I have no mega Nak,
only modest DR-1.

Giedrius


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From jmueller at ced-concord.com  Mon Nov  6 15:02:49 2000
From: jmueller at ced-concord.com (Mueller; Jim)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:02:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
Message-ID: <00Nov6.090250est.47@gateway.ced-concord.com>

I also would like to replace my Power & Eject buttons since their text has
faded. If I ever get around to sending the unit to Stephen, I was going to
ask him to replace them, though.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Wouter Heijke
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:33 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts


Just to inform, my Dragon could also use a new faceplate, all lettering has
faded and
is on some buttons (eject / power) completely gone..

So maybe there are more people intersted and we can get some in one shipment
or
something like that?

Wouter


"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Dear Klaus Fendt and Naktalkers
> I have Dragon service manual so let me find out the part number and ask
Nak
> japan.
> I want to make it clear that getting parts in to India has its own
problems
> and would prefer the parts directly shipped to destination, also payment
is
> another area we have to work it out as India is OK to receive foreign
> currency but still a taboo to send money out - But last few years India
had
> liberalised and find my company sending money for travel expanses of our
> employees is easy.  Individual like me sending money is another area which
I
> am avoiding till now.
> Finally I get replies immediately from Nak japan most of the times but not
> easily sometimes. So bear with me.
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus Fendt <kfendt at web.de>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:57 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
>
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >Kannan,
> >
> >is it true that you possibly can get parts of Dragon face plates? If
> >so could you please check out whether there is the part of the
> >cassette door with the NAAC indicators is available and which costs I
> >would have to pay for that. If the little part is not available alone
> >I'm also interested in the price for the complete cassette door face
> >plate. Unfortunately I don't know any Nakamichi part numbers but I'm
> >sure Stephen could provide you with the necessary information.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >    Klaus Fendt
> >
> >Am Montag, 6. November 2000, 05:02:45, habe ich folgende Zeilen erhalten:
> >
> >> Can you tell me the part number of Dragon face plate or do you mean the
> >> entire front faceplate containing the printed descrption of all
> >> functions etc- I can find the part number?
> >> If you clarify I can ask Japanese Nak. Most of the parts for Nak Dragon
> >> is available at Naks Japan
> >> Kannan
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kevin Rogers <ktrogers at execulink.com>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:09 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device
> >
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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Mon Nov  6 15:05:47 2000
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:05:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Small Nak fix needed
Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9101@EMSS09M13>

Don't know if you got this fixed but the nak recommended change is to
replace the blub and also place a 1K resistor across it.  The 1K resistor
will allow the machine to work if the blub burns out again.  I have a 581
and had to replace my blub.  

Kurtis

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Chris Heady [SMTP:neut6o1 at gladstone.uoregon.edu]
> Sent:	Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:20 PM
> To:	naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:	[naktalk] Small Nak fix needed
> 
> Hello Nakophiles,
>  
> I need some advice. I have a Nak 582 that I love dearly. For a few months
> I have not been using it often because of a small problem. The stop button
> light has burned out, and subsequently the sound has muted. I can only
> play tapes at low volume even with my stereo volume at full. I know from
> reading this mailing list and other sources that the stop light is
> connected to a resistor that boosts the volume. 
>  
> Here is my question do any of you know a reputable repair shop in the
> Portland Oregon area that will be able to replace my bulb for a reasonable
> price? I have been to one place that wanted a $40.00 fee before they would
> look at it (fee counts toward repair of course). I didn't see the need to
> spend that much to replace a bulb, so if you guys could help me, I would
> appreciate it.
>  
>  
> Chris Heady
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From eslabs at snet.net  Mon Nov  6 15:13:40 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:13:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
References: <XFMail.001106115002.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <004a01c047fb$c520d300$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Karl,

You most likely have an intermittent relay contact.  It can be cleaned or 
replaced.  When we service any audio product with low level audio 
passing through a relay, we replace the relays with a gas filled type.
This goes for all the Nakamichi products, not just the cassette decks.

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

University Of Connecticut BSEE & BSCS Degrees
Connecticut Unrestricted Certified Electronic Technician License
Amateur Radio Extra Class License "W1LOP"
Trained by Nakamichi's Japanese Electronic Technicians

"Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts 
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
eslabs at snet.net          www.eslabs.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 5:50 AM
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise


Hi Everybody,

I just recognised some other little problem with my BX150. The record level
slider (it seem's only to be the right one) produces noise in the recording
if moved. Interestingly I can't here it during recording, only afterwards on
the tape.

This sound like a oxidized potentiometer -- and my question is there a chance
to clean it up or is a new one the only feesible option? How difficult is it
to change these? (I didn't have a loook inside yet).

And could it be that some other "switch" or slider produces noise every time
I switch while recording from rec to pause and back? I heard some times (not
always) scratchy noise after I switch from pause to record again (play
button). The noise will be for 1 or 2 seconds, then it's gone. 

Any idea what that is? A switch for the change from play to record would be
set to record if I'm in record-pause, so that shouldn't be switched again if
I start the tape. Motor noise? But it's no hum, sound more like a bad poti
too.


Thanks,

Karl-Heinz



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From raah at concentric.net  Mon Nov  6 15:52:20 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:52:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
References: <XFMail.001106115002.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de> <004a01c047fb$c520d300$6401a8c0@eslabs2>
Message-ID: <3A06C5A4.1F7E6D01@concentric.net>


Another possibility is a leaking coupling capacitor
just before the noisy potentiometer. This would
cause DC to flow through the sliding contact of the
potentiometer, producing this noise. If so, replacing
the cap before the potentiometer track is damaged
will eliminate the noise and you will not have to
replace the potentiometer. It's a good idea to clean
it, though.

-- Ron


Jeffrey Galin wrote:
> 
> Karl,
> 
> You most likely have an intermittent relay contact.  It can be cleaned or
> replaced.  When we service any audio product with low level audio
> passing through a relay, we replace the relays with a gas filled type.
> This goes for all the Nakamichi products, not just the cassette decks.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Jeffrey Galin
> 
> University Of Connecticut BSEE & BSCS Degrees
> Connecticut Unrestricted Certified Electronic Technician License
> Amateur Radio Extra Class License "W1LOP"
> Trained by Nakamichi's Japanese Electronic Technicians
> 
> "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts
> ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
> eslabs at snet.net          www.eslabs.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 5:50 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
> 
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> I just recognised some other little problem with my BX150. The record level
> slider (it seem's only to be the right one) produces noise in the recording
> if moved. Interestingly I can't here it during recording, only afterwards on
> the tape.
> 
> This sound like a oxidized potentiometer -- and my question is there a chance
> to clean it up or is a new one the only feesible option? How difficult is it
> to change these? (I didn't have a loook inside yet).
> 
> And could it be that some other "switch" or slider produces noise every time
> I switch while recording from rec to pause and back? I heard some times (not
> always) scratchy noise after I switch from pause to record again (play
> button). The noise will be for 1 or 2 seconds, then it's gone.
> 
> Any idea what that is? A switch for the change from play to record would be
> set to record if I'm in record-pause, so that shouldn't be switched again if
> I start the tape. Motor noise? But it's no hum, sound more like a bad poti
> too.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Karl-Heinz
> 
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Mon Nov  6 16:32:08 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:32:08 +0100 
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485A16@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

I would like to order the same buttons as Jim for his Dragon.

PS- Stephen said that Klaus got his last ones or at least his
best ones.

Cheers,
Raul

-----Original Message-----
From: Mueller; Jim [mailto:jmueller at ced-concord.com]
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:03 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts


I also would like to replace my Power & Eject buttons since their text has
faded. If I ever get around to sending the unit to Stephen, I was going to
ask him to replace them, though.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Wouter Heijke
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:33 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts


Just to inform, my Dragon could also use a new faceplate, all lettering has
faded and
is on some buttons (eject / power) completely gone..

So maybe there are more people intersted and we can get some in one shipment
or
something like that?

Wouter


"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Dear Klaus Fendt and Naktalkers
> I have Dragon service manual so let me find out the part number and ask
Nak
> japan.
> I want to make it clear that getting parts in to India has its own
problems
> and would prefer the parts directly shipped to destination, also payment
is
> another area we have to work it out as India is OK to receive foreign
> currency but still a taboo to send money out - But last few years India
had
> liberalised and find my company sending money for travel expanses of our
> employees is easy.  Individual like me sending money is another area which
I
> am avoiding till now.
> Finally I get replies immediately from Nak japan most of the times but not
> easily sometimes. So bear with me.
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus Fendt <kfendt at web.de>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:57 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
>
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >Kannan,
> >
> >is it true that you possibly can get parts of Dragon face plates? If
> >so could you please check out whether there is the part of the
> >cassette door with the NAAC indicators is available and which costs I
> >would have to pay for that. If the little part is not available alone
> >I'm also interested in the price for the complete cassette door face
> >plate. Unfortunately I don't know any Nakamichi part numbers but I'm
> >sure Stephen could provide you with the necessary information.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >    Klaus Fendt
> >
> >Am Montag, 6. November 2000, 05:02:45, habe ich folgende Zeilen erhalten:
> >
> >> Can you tell me the part number of Dragon face plate or do you mean the
> >> entire front faceplate containing the printed descrption of all
> >> functions etc- I can find the part number?
> >> If you clarify I can ask Japanese Nak. Most of the parts for Nak Dragon
> >> is available at Naks Japan
> >> Kannan
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kevin Rogers <ktrogers at execulink.com>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:09 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device
> >
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Nov  6 18:43:25 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:43:25 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
Message-ID: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1>

The best cure for the noisy slider is to simply excersize it.  Just slide it
up & down really fast about 30 or 40 times & do that a couple of times a
year.  Cleaning sprays will destroy the grease distribution, making the
controls stiff & without smooth movement.
The problem when going into record is most likely dirty contacts on the head
switching relay, which is the only relay in the unit.  Just pull it & clean
it.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:20 AM
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise


>Hi Everybody,
>
>I just recognised some other little problem with my BX150. The record level
>slider (it seem's only to be the right one) produces noise in the recording
>if moved. Interestingly I can't here it during recording, only afterwards
on
>the tape.
>
>This sound like a oxidized potentiometer -- and my question is there a
chance
>to clean it up or is a new one the only feesible option? How difficult is
it
>to change these? (I didn't have a loook inside yet).
>
>And could it be that some other "switch" or slider produces noise every
time
>I switch while recording from rec to pause and back? I heard some times
(not
>always) scratchy noise after I switch from pause to record again (play
>button). The noise will be for 1 or 2 seconds, then it's gone.
>
>Any idea what that is? A switch for the change from play to record would be
>set to record if I'm in record-pause, so that shouldn't be switched again
if
>I start the tape. Motor noise? But it's no hum, sound more like a bad poti
>too.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Karl-Heinz
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
>Sent: 06-Nov-00, 11:42:02
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Nov  6 18:43:34 2000
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 13:43:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi trade!!
Message-ID: <3A06EDC5.D386E243@telcel.net.ve>

Hi to all of you!!!
I have a situation here and I need advice..
I have the oportunity tochange myNakamichi X-5 for a Nak 680 or
62...should I do ths or I'd better keep my LX-5.
Thanks a lot
Isy Fidelman

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From kfendt at web.de  Mon Nov  6 19:00:12 2000
From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:00:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
In-Reply-To: <00Nov6.090250est.47@gateway.ced-concord.com>
References: <00Nov6.090250est.47@gateway.ced-concord.com>
Message-ID: <82953270.20001106190012@web.de>

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It seems that some more Dragon owners have problems with fading of
parts of their face plates or of the face plate itself . . .

So, Wouter, I agree with you that we possibly can collect all wishes
together and then some of us could try to get any spare parts from the
different service places all over the world. Next week I can try to
phone up German Nak service GeHaDo in order to ask them whether they
have any of the required parts in stock and what they like to charge
for them.

Looking at my Dragon points out that there are the following parts
possibly to be replaced:

Faceplate, Cassette Door complete, NAAC indicator alone, Power and
Eject button.

This week I got paid a computer course from my company and it gets a
little bit late in the evening when I'm back home again, so please be
patient - I will phone German Nak service up next week.

Also good news for international money transfer: I got an eMail from
http://www.paypal.com which told me that international payments are
available now; so perhaps other PayPal users can tell us non-American
residents whether they like their service or not


    Klaus

Am Montag, 6. November 2000, 15:02:49, habe ich folgende Zeilen erhalten:

> I also would like to replace my Power & Eject buttons since their text
> has faded. If I ever get around to sending the unit to Stephen, I was
> going to ask him to replace them, though.

> Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Wouter Heijke
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:33 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts


> Just to inform, my Dragon could also use a new faceplate, all lettering
> has faded and
> is on some buttons (eject / power) completely gone..

> So maybe there are more people intersted and we can get some in one
> shipment or
> something like that?

> Wouter

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  6 23:21:05 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:21:05 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] induction device
References: <23.3121b9c.2736019b@aol.com> <005401c046cd$3c43cc10$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE6GCl9FopYC98B000021e4@hotmail.com>

Electronic isn' it the art to manipulate electrons ? seriously Maurits !!!!
In a interconnect wire there is basic effect as capacitance, reactance, skin
effect, as
newly discovered interface micro-discharges, propagation group timing ...

Parameters wich varies largely one to one from Y cables to X cables !

Any manufacturer equiped of good ears, powerful researsh tools, strong and
morern structure,
can make significant amelioration in audio frequency transfer through
interconnects.

 Matyas
_____________________________________________________
> Probably the buyer is brainwashed the last 20 years by editors of
> Audio magazines.
> They tell the reader they can manipulate ELECTRONS by using an
> expensive kabel.
> But electrons can't be manipulated to sound better.
>
>
> Maurits
>





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From raah at concentric.net  Mon Nov  6 23:51:28 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:51:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
Message-ID: <3A0735F0.647CF556@concentric.net>

Hi,

I need some advice. Stephen, anyone?

I tried to play a cassette on my CR-7a today and was
greeted with silence. Close examination revealed that
the capstans were not turning. Very irritating...
I opened it up and the capstan motor is quite dead.
It did start when I gave it a push, but rotated too
slowly and just touching the flywheel was enough to
stop it again.

This motor is laid out flat, along with the controller,
on a PCB... My service manual shows neither a parts
list nor a circuit layout. The PCB contains a couple
of ICs and a few discrete parts. I won't be surprised
if the driver IC is blown, since the board draws about
270mA -- about 5 times what it's supposed to.

Questions: does this mean that Nakamichi intended the
boards to be replaced as a unit, rather than repaired?
If so, does anyone know of a better source for the
part than the Nakamichi center in Torrance? (These
people are impossible  :-) ). Alternately, does anyone
know of a source for the driver IC (M51720 -- hopefully,
it's not a Nakamichi house number)?

TIA,

-- Ron
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From penry at nortelnetworks.com  Mon Nov  6 23:50:17 2000
From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:50:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] what interconnect?
Message-ID: <E7ADAD260BEED3119E7E0000F810CE17E5B1C7@zrchb129.us.nortel.com>

Why, this close to Halloween, all interconnect cables should be Monster!

If with your mouth you made raised unto the Jesus from the dead and Him with
the mouth believes unto righteousness your confession will be in salvation
that God confess, saved. For the heart you believe with one heart, and Lord
is.

Huh?

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Brian Miller [mailto:brianm at grar.com] 
Sent:	Friday, November 03, 2000 7:54 AM
To:	naktalk
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?

I am one of "those" to disagree with you Ron.  I have heard the difference
in cables many times.  No need for a debate on this one, I have seen to
many, it's an endless arguement.  I will say that cable costs have gotten
out of control!

Brian Miller
Michigan

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and
believe in your heart that God raised Him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes
unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is
made unto salvation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] what interconnect?


> Giedrius Oginskas wrote:
> >
> > Dear Nak-gurus,
> >
> > It's my first message to this list. And I would like to ask what
> > interconnects carry the 'charms' of a Nak deck best?
> > I would be grateful for any your comments.
> >
> > BR,
> > Giedrius
> >
>
> The short answer is that any good quality
> interconnect will do just fine. I make my own, but
> a good set bought at Radio Shack ($10 to $20) is
> already an overkill.
>
> The long answer is that this is a matter of great
> controversy, by no means limited to Naks. People
> conduct holy wars over the issue of interconnects,
> fired by manufacturers that make ludicrous claims
> (and charge ludicrous amounts) for their esoteric
> cables. When examined under the cold light of
> Engineering, such claims do not make sense. Yet,
> there are hordes of people that swear that they can
> hear the difference in sound between the 'high-end'
> interconnects and the 'regular' ones. This ability
> to tell the difference miraculously disappears in
> blind tests, but, nonetheless, these people think
> nothing of paying several hundred dollars for
> esoteric interconnects. Obviously, such people
> will respond with a completely different short
> answer...
>
> -- Ron
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  7 00:20:50 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:20:50 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Scanner
Message-ID: <LAW-OE47gC81TbdkSmL00000029@hotmail.com>

Hello Norman!
Finally I have a scanner -my mother one- an HP 5370c.
You where wondering about Epson 1200 perfection or this HP ...

If you have a choice to get, the Epson 1200 perfection will be right, I am
very decieved by HP in some points:

1. It was shipped with its glass grease covered (vaporized) both side...
2. its glass seems to be synthetic and is very hard to keep it clear.
3. the built quality : plastic clips all around makes it not a realy thinked
product.

The epson had a better glass, ...screws... and a better look with a smaller
size. (I dont know the Epson price)

Good luck!
Matyas


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  7 00:30:49 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:30:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
References: <00Nov6.090250est.47@gateway.ced-concord.com>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE514ReOXwNA6nA00001c8b@hotmail.com>

I collect also faded printed Nak buttons ...

Send me them after you replace them all !!!!
They have their use to me in the ritual interconnect listening sessions !

Matyas



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Nov  6 22:30:00 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:30:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] PC REPAIRS 
Message-ID: <000401c04838$b948d360$15e2883e@a4s1s2>

Please note, this e-mail address will not be operable for the next week or
so while the PC is "returned to base" for repairs/replacement parts.

Urgent messages may otherwise be sent to GiroGANelson at compuserve.com for
this period;  however, please use it sparingly!  Otherwise, it should not be
used.   Thanks.

Graham

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Nov  7 05:22:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:52:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
Message-ID: <000d01c04872$4e4fd420$42d60192@vsnl>

I think there should be a circuit diagram on logic PCB and If am right the
same circuit is used in BX300/ CR4 etc. One has to be careful about this
direct drive PCB which contains the motor coils and Hall effect sensor both
are delicate. Also some service manuals contain the entire circuit board as
well as coils as one item. But some other manual shows the parts. Nak
Japanese as well as any Nak spare parts will not understand this. When  you
give different part numbers ( of the same item - but described as different
part numbers in different service manual! ) they will supply you one but
other part may not be in stock.  like 582 pinch rollars is same as Dragon -
different price as well as part numbers! I received one from NAk - US and
the other from  Japan!

Very useful to have different service manuals and you will not be surprised
about Nak using same parts - including semiconductors!
IC seems to be regular IC used in different electronic equpments for the
same purpose. Try MCM electronics. If you are desperate I can add that to my
request for quote to Nak japan.
Only problem is their english which is worse and find it difficult to
understand sometimes
Before blaming the IC I think Stephen or Jeff might give some useful clue
and you may hit the right spot as both have experience behind them
Kannan

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
To: Nak Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:19 AM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem


>Hi,
>
>I need some advice. Stephen, anyone?
>
>I tried to play a cassette on my CR-7a today and was
>greeted with silence. Close examination revealed that
>the capstans were not turning. Very irritating...
>I opened it up and the capstan motor is quite dead.
>It did start when I gave it a push, but rotated too
>slowly and just touching the flywheel was enough to
>stop it again.
>
>This motor is laid out flat, along with the controller,
>on a PCB... My service manual shows neither a parts
>list nor a circuit layout. The PCB contains a couple
>of ICs and a few discrete parts. I won't be surprised
>if the driver IC is blown, since the board draws about
>270mA -- about 5 times what it's supposed to.
>
>Questions: does this mean that Nakamichi intended the
>boards to be replaced as a unit, rather than repaired?
>If so, does anyone know of a better source for the
>part than the Nakamichi center in Torrance? (These
>people are impossible  :-) ). Alternately, does anyone
>know of a source for the driver IC (M51720 -- hopefully,
>it's not a Nakamichi house number)?
>
>TIA,
>
>-- Ron
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Nov  7 05:25:15 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:55:15 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
Message-ID: <001401c04872$ba59e8e0$42d60192@vsnl>

I will send the part numbers of these items - within next 12 hours and try
Nak Japan for their price - Let us see how that compares with Germany . I
found US Nak prices are atleast 30 - 100 % higher.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Klaus Fendt <kfendt at web.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 12:25 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts


>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>
>It seems that some more Dragon owners have problems with fading of
>parts of their face plates or of the face plate itself . . .
>
>So, Wouter, I agree with you that we possibly can collect all wishes
>together and then some of us could try to get any spare parts from the
>different service places all over the world. Next week I can try to
>phone up German Nak service GeHaDo in order to ask them whether they
>have any of the required parts in stock and what they like to charge
>for them.
>
>Looking at my Dragon points out that there are the following parts
>possibly to be replaced:
>
>Faceplate, Cassette Door complete, NAAC indicator alone, Power and
>Eject button.
>
>This week I got paid a computer course from my company and it gets a
>little bit late in the evening when I'm back home again, so please be
>patient - I will phone German Nak service up next week.
>
>Also good news for international money transfer: I got an eMail from
>http://www.paypal.com which told me that international payments are
>available now; so perhaps other PayPal users can tell us non-American
>residents whether they like their service or not
>
>
>    Klaus
>
>Am Montag, 6. November 2000, 15:02:49, habe ich folgende Zeilen erhalten:
>
>> I also would like to replace my Power & Eject buttons since their text
>> has faded. If I ever get around to sending the unit to Stephen, I was
>> going to ask him to replace them, though.
>
>> Jim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> Wouter Heijke
>> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:33 AM
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
>
>
>> Just to inform, my Dragon could also use a new faceplate, all lettering
>> has faded and
>> is on some buttons (eject / power) completely gone..
>
>> So maybe there are more people intersted and we can get some in one
>> shipment or
>> something like that?
>
>> Wouter
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Nov  7 06:21:40 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:21:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
Message-ID: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1>

Unless your capstan flywheel bearings are shot, which ain't likely & would
show up as lack of free movement, you are probably right about the M51720
IC.  The only OEM source I can find in my books at the moment is HBE
Electronics, which has no website.  The phone number is 1-800-848-6888.
They list it at $3.06, but the catalog I have is over a year old.  If you
have great difficulty getting it, I have a motor board that is cracked
almost in half I will let you scavenge.
Actually, I just grabbed the CR-4 manual, and it does have the motor drive
schematic.  The output drive is provided by the M51721L IC, which is stocked
by Consolidated, http://ceitron.com , whom I also just found stock the
M51720, or at least say they do.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
To: Nak Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:16 PM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem


>Hi,
>
>I need some advice. Stephen, anyone?
>
>I tried to play a cassette on my CR-7a today and was
>greeted with silence. Close examination revealed that
>the capstans were not turning. Very irritating...
>I opened it up and the capstan motor is quite dead.
>It did start when I gave it a push, but rotated too
>slowly and just touching the flywheel was enough to
>stop it again.
>
>This motor is laid out flat, along with the controller,
>on a PCB... My service manual shows neither a parts
>list nor a circuit layout. The PCB contains a couple
>of ICs and a few discrete parts. I won't be surprised
>if the driver IC is blown, since the board draws about
>270mA -- about 5 times what it's supposed to.
>
>Questions: does this mean that Nakamichi intended the
>boards to be replaced as a unit, rather than repaired?
>If so, does anyone know of a better source for the
>part than the Nakamichi center in Torrance? (These
>people are impossible  :-) ). Alternately, does anyone
>know of a source for the driver IC (M51720 -- hopefully,
>it's not a Nakamichi house number)?
>
>TIA,
>
>-- Ron
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Nov  7 13:24:27 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:24:27 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
In-Reply-To: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001107132427.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 06-Nov-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
> The best cure for the noisy slider is to simply excersize it.  Just slide
> it
> up & down really fast about 30 or 40 times & do that a couple of times a
> year.  Cleaning sprays will destroy the grease distribution, making the
> controls stiff & without smooth movement.
> The problem when going into record is most likely dirty contacts on the
> head
> switching relay, which is the only relay in the unit.  Just pull it & clean
> it.

Ok, thanks for the hints, Stephen. I'll start taking it apart soon and try to
get everything cleaned up again. 

K.-H.

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Nov  7 13:26:49 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:26:49 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
In-Reply-To: <004a01c047fb$c520d300$6401a8c0@eslabs2>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001107132649.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 06-Nov-00 Jeffrey Galin wrote:
> You most likely have an intermittent relay contact.  It can be cleaned or 
> replaced.  When we service any audio product with low level audio 
> passing through a relay, we replace the relays with a gas filled type.
> This goes for all the Nakamichi products, not just the cassette decks.

I overlooked this one at first -- I'll go looking for the relay and see if
cleaning/exchanging will improve it. 

Thanks a lot,

K.-H.

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From eslabs at snet.net  Tue Nov  7 14:32:27 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:32:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <000d01c04872$4e4fd420$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <003b01c048bf$2d601980$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Ron,

The failure could be almost anything.  Test for an open motor winding.
The complete motor assembly is available, from Nakamichi, for about $160.

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

"Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts 
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem


I think there should be a circuit diagram on logic PCB and If am right the
same circuit is used in BX300/ CR4 etc. One has to be careful about this
direct drive PCB which contains the motor coils and Hall effect sensor both
are delicate. Also some service manuals contain the entire circuit board as
well as coils as one item. But some other manual shows the parts. Nak
Japanese as well as any Nak spare parts will not understand this. When  you
give different part numbers ( of the same item - but described as different
part numbers in different service manual! ) they will supply you one but
other part may not be in stock.  like 582 pinch rollars is same as Dragon -
different price as well as part numbers! I received one from NAk - US and
the other from  Japan!

Very useful to have different service manuals and you will not be surprised
about Nak using same parts - including semiconductors!
IC seems to be regular IC used in different electronic equpments for the
same purpose. Try MCM electronics. If you are desperate I can add that to my
request for quote to Nak japan.
Only problem is their english which is worse and find it difficult to
understand sometimes
Before blaming the IC I think Stephen or Jeff might give some useful clue
and you may hit the right spot as both have experience behind them
Kannan

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
To: Nak Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:19 AM
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem


>Hi,
>
>I need some advice. Stephen, anyone?
>
>I tried to play a cassette on my CR-7a today and was
>greeted with silence. Close examination revealed that
>the capstans were not turning. Very irritating...
>I opened it up and the capstan motor is quite dead.
>It did start when I gave it a push, but rotated too
>slowly and just touching the flywheel was enough to
>stop it again.
>
>This motor is laid out flat, along with the controller,
>on a PCB... My service manual shows neither a parts
>list nor a circuit layout. The PCB contains a couple
>of ICs and a few discrete parts. I won't be surprised
>if the driver IC is blown, since the board draws about
>270mA -- about 5 times what it's supposed to.
>
>Questions: does this mean that Nakamichi intended the
>boards to be replaced as a unit, rather than repaired?
>If so, does anyone know of a better source for the
>part than the Nakamichi center in Torrance? (These
>people are impossible  :-) ). Alternately, does anyone
>know of a source for the driver IC (M51720 -- hopefully,
>it's not a Nakamichi house number)?
>
>TIA,
>
>-- Ron
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From marc at stager.com  Tue Nov  7 16:02:38 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:02:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.001107132427.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net>


>06-Nov-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
>  The best cure for the noisy slider is to simply excersize it.
>Just slide it up & down really fast about 30 or 40 times & do that
>a couple of times a year.  Cleaning sprays will destroy the grease
>distribution, making the controls stiff & without smooth movement.
>The problem when going into record is most likely dirty contacts on the
>head switching relay, which is the only relay in the unit.
>Just pull it & clean it.
>....
>Ok, thanks for the hints, Stephen. I'll start taking it apart soon and try to
>get everything cleaned up again.
>K.-H.
==================

Try using this stuff:

http://www.caig.com/c-mcl.htm

_____________________________ Marc Stager


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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Nov  8 05:09:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:39:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
Message-ID: <004001c04939$a7d08cc0$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Naktalkers
these are the part numbers
Dragon
Cassette Lid assembly HA 04401A - this the cassette door containing three
parts
Lid cover 0H04189A
Indicator reflector 0H04187B
Cassette lid subassembly HA 04414A
Better to order one set full


Face plate is called Front panel assembly HA04398A
and it contains the buttons - eject and power and there is no seperate part
number so you have to order the entire assembly
let me send a request for the price of these items to Nak japan and once
reply comes ; will let you know
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Tellez, Raul <rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil>
To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts


>I would like to order the same buttons as Jim for his Dragon.
>
>PS- Stephen said that Klaus got his last ones or at least his
>best ones.
>
>Cheers,
>Raul
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mueller; Jim [mailto:jmueller at ced-concord.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:03 PM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
>
>
>I also would like to replace my Power & Eject buttons since their text has
>faded. If I ever get around to sending the unit to Stephen, I was going to
>ask him to replace them, though.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>Wouter Heijke
>Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:33 AM
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
>
>
>Just to inform, my Dragon could also use a new faceplate, all lettering has
>faded and
>is on some buttons (eject / power) completely gone..
>
>So maybe there are more people intersted and we can get some in one
shipment
>or
>something like that?
>
>Wouter
>
>
>"Kannan. S" wrote:
>
>> Dear Klaus Fendt and Naktalkers
>> I have Dragon service manual so let me find out the part number and ask
>Nak
>> japan.
>> I want to make it clear that getting parts in to India has its own
>problems
>> and would prefer the parts directly shipped to destination, also payment
>is
>> another area we have to work it out as India is OK to receive foreign
>> currency but still a taboo to send money out - But last few years India
>had
>> liberalised and find my company sending money for travel expanses of our
>> employees is easy.  Individual like me sending money is another area
which
>I
>> am avoiding till now.
>> Finally I get replies immediately from Nak japan most of the times but
not
>> easily sometimes. So bear with me.
>> Kannan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Klaus Fendt <kfendt at web.de>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:57 PM
>> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
>>
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>> >Kannan,
>> >
>> >is it true that you possibly can get parts of Dragon face plates? If
>> >so could you please check out whether there is the part of the
>> >cassette door with the NAAC indicators is available and which costs I
>> >would have to pay for that. If the little part is not available alone
>> >I'm also interested in the price for the complete cassette door face
>> >plate. Unfortunately I don't know any Nakamichi part numbers but I'm
>> >sure Stephen could provide you with the necessary information.
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >    Klaus Fendt
>> >
>> >Am Montag, 6. November 2000, 05:02:45, habe ich folgende Zeilen
erhalten:
>> >
>> >> Can you tell me the part number of Dragon face plate or do you mean
the
>> >> entire front faceplate containing the printed descrption of all
>> >> functions etc- I can find the part number?
>> >> If you clarify I can ask Japanese Nak. Most of the parts for Nak
Dragon
>> >> is available at Naks Japan
>> >> Kannan
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Kevin Rogers <ktrogers at execulink.com>
>> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:09 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] induction device
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Wed Nov  8 04:10:15 2000
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 23:10:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX
Message-ID: <3A08C417.E36CCCC5@telcel.net.ve>

Hi everybody!!!
I wrote a mail yesterday and haven't received any answers yet....
I would like to know which Casstte deck is better the 680ZX or the
LX-5...
I would like to have the opinion of all of you since I have the
oportunity to exchange my LX-5 for the 680ZX...is this a good idea???
Hey Tape-man, Stephen, Kannan help me out please!!!!
Thanks a lot
Isy Fidelman

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Nov  8 05:54:09 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:24:09 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX
Message-ID: <005e01c0493f$ee7fe3e0$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Isy Fidelman
I do not have both these machines and so I thought somebody would reply you
680 has better specs and features but older machine compared to LX 5
When you buy an used machine - in my case I expect worse than what I have.
but I have had surprises also.  If you are sure about the condition of 680
then you can go far it as it has record head azimuth calibration. But
playback only you may not find it different from LX5. Also look at the head
wear and inside if possible which will show the extent of use.
one more point that I want to make  - always get it tuned up if it is
feasible- by Stephen or somebody having the experience and tools as  without
it you do not get the entire benefit of 680.
kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Isy Fidelman <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: Naktalk mailinglist <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:41 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX


>Hi everybody!!!
>I wrote a mail yesterday and haven't received any answers yet....
>I would like to know which Casstte deck is better the 680ZX or the
>LX-5...
>I would like to have the opinion of all of you since I have the
>oportunity to exchange my LX-5 for the 680ZX...is this a good idea???
>Hey Tape-man, Stephen, Kannan help me out please!!!!
>Thanks a lot
>Isy Fidelman
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Nov  8 05:58:08 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:58:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX
Message-ID: <003001c04940$7db01440$7393bccf@sank1>

I actually have a 680 & an LX-5 right here, but I have not ever done a
listening comparison.  Never have time to sit down and listen to much of
anything.  In my opinion, albeit without listening tests, it would be a
sideways move, i.e., neither upgrade nor downgrade, sonically.  However, the
680ZX does have extensive user calibration abilities, pitch control & half
speed, so that is certainly worth consideration.  Plus, you've gotta love
the cool blue flourescent meters.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: Isy Fidelman <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: Naktalk mailinglist <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:37 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX


>Hi everybody!!!
>I wrote a mail yesterday and haven't received any answers yet....
>I would like to know which Casstte deck is better the 680ZX or the
>LX-5...
>I would like to have the opinion of all of you since I have the
>oportunity to exchange my LX-5 for the 680ZX...is this a good idea???
>Hey Tape-man, Stephen, Kannan help me out please!!!!
>Thanks a lot
>Isy Fidelman
>
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From oceanview5 at Home.com  Wed Nov  8 10:37:07 2000
From: oceanview5 at Home.com (oceanview5@home.com (Gary))
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 01:37:07 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question
Message-ID: <3A091EC3.71D14AB5@home.com>

I have received conflicting information regarding how to go about selecting a
repair facility for my ZX-7. On one hand I'm told that I should only consider a
shop that has official Nakamichi test tapes as only these tapes can insure
correct calibration, on the other, I'm told that industry standard tapes will
work just fine. Any opinions on the subject?

Thanks in advance for your opinion,

Gary

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Nov  8 11:16:19 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 03:16:19 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question
Message-ID: <00b901c0496c$f05a01a0$7393bccf@sank1>

The key factor of the test tape question is not as much adherence to Nak
standard(which certainly is an issue) as it is this:  A servicer that does
not have Nak test tapes & alignment jigs is extremely unlikely to have
adequate experience to be trusted with your ZX-7.  Plain & simple.
This is not to self-promote, but to protect your ZX-7 from disastrous
"malpractice".

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) <oceanview5 at Home.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:02 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question


>I have received conflicting information regarding how to go about selecting
a
>repair facility for my ZX-7. On one hand I'm told that I should only
consider a
>shop that has official Nakamichi test tapes as only these tapes can insure
>correct calibration, on the other, I'm told that industry standard tapes
will
>work just fine. Any opinions on the subject?
>
>Thanks in advance for your opinion,
>
>Gary
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Nov  8 14:19:44 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:49:44 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question
Message-ID: <001601c04986$92126be0$42d60192@vsnl>

If you go thru any of Naks service manual ( I would recommend 582 service
manual from Naks FTP server where ) you will find an important information
regarding Naks attention to play head / record head alignment / tape travel
/ record bias / level calibration. Probably this attention to all aspects;
is the reason for their machines performing.  And without these expansive
gadgets no service facility will be able to bring nak to its spec.
And these gadgets are specially made for Nak decks by Nak corp - fortunately
they allow anybody to buy it
So do not send your deck for calibration or service to technicians without
these tools.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) <oceanview5 at Home.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 4:07 PM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question


>I have received conflicting information regarding how to go about selecting
a
>repair facility for my ZX-7. On one hand I'm told that I should only
consider a
>shop that has official Nakamichi test tapes as only these tapes can insure
>correct calibration, on the other, I'm told that industry standard tapes
will
>work just fine. Any opinions on the subject?
>
>Thanks in advance for your opinion,
>
>Gary
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Nov  8 14:22:37 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 08:22:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question
References: <3A091EC3.71D14AB5@home.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c04986$f6e39850$a2496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Send it to Stephen Sank in NM.  He breathed on my Nak. 700 II and she sounds
better than any other cassette machine that I've ever heard.  He also won't
charge you a kings ransom.

John
----- Original Message -----
From: "oceanview5 at home.com (Gary)" <oceanview5 at Home.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 4:37 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question


> I have received conflicting information regarding how to go about
selecting a
> repair facility for my ZX-7. On one hand I'm told that I should only
consider a
> shop that has official Nakamichi test tapes as only these tapes can insure
> correct calibration, on the other, I'm told that industry standard tapes
will
> work just fine. Any opinions on the subject?
>
> Thanks in advance for your opinion,
>
> Gary
>
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From eslabs at snet.net  Wed Nov  8 14:49:07 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 08:49:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi trade!!
References: <3A06EDC5.D386E243@telcel.net.ve>
Message-ID: <002901c0498a$bac8a500$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Isy,

The speed performance is better on a 680.  The capstan motor
on the 680 or 680ZX is far superior to the LX-5's.  The 680 will 
maintain a constant speed and have much lower wow & flutter. 
A 680ZX or 682ZX would be even a better choice as they will
ensure a correct record head azimuth alignment.   Although
they both have the ability to be great machines, I would 
choose the 680 or 682 series over the LX-5.   

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

University Of Connecticut BSEE & BSCS Degrees
Connecticut Unrestricted Certified Electronic Technician License
Amateur Radio Extra Class License "W1LOP"
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: "Naktalk mailinglist" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:43 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi trade!!


Hi to all of you!!!
I have a situation here and I need advice..
I have the oportunity tochange myNakamichi X-5 for a Nak 680 or
62...should I do ths or I'd better keep my LX-5.
Thanks a lot
Isy Fidelman

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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Wed Nov  8 14:55:34 2000
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 09:55:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX
References: <003001c04940$7db01440$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <3A095B56.23D1C3B9@telcel.net.ve>

Thanks a lot Stephen and Kannan...regarding the state of the machine (the 680ZX) it is
in great shape since the person who is selling it is the guy who used to be the Nak
tech here in Venezuela a few years ago...and checked the machine last week!!!!
I have always gave him my Naks to check and do service so I think everything will be
fine...he also is going to give me the Nak680ZX for the weekend so I can try it and see
if I like it so the question is what kind of tests should I do???
Thanks a lot again and hope to have news from you soon
Regards
Isy

Stephen Sank wrote:

> I actually have a 680 & an LX-5 right here, but I have not ever done a
> listening comparison.  Never have time to sit down and listen to much of
> anything.  In my opinion, albeit without listening tests, it would be a
> sideways move, i.e., neither upgrade nor downgrade, sonically.  However, the
> 680ZX does have extensive user calibration abilities, pitch control & half
> speed, so that is certainly worth consideration.  Plus, you've gotta love
> the cool blue flourescent meters.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Isy Fidelman <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
> To: Naktalk mailinglist <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:37 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX
>
> >Hi everybody!!!
> >I wrote a mail yesterday and haven't received any answers yet....
> >I would like to know which Casstte deck is better the 680ZX or the
> >LX-5...
> >I would like to have the opinion of all of you since I have the
> >oportunity to exchange my LX-5 for the 680ZX...is this a good idea???
> >Hey Tape-man, Stephen, Kannan help me out please!!!!
> >Thanks a lot
> >Isy Fidelman
> >
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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Nov  8 15:31:07 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 09:31:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net>


Thanks to all that responded.

Jeff, I did measure all coils. All 4 pole windings
are fine (15.5 ohms). The motor winding (150 ohm)
puts out about 50mVAC when the motor is running
(on pin 15 of the M51720P). I have no data for the
ICs and am not sure I fully understand the circuit.
Isn't the M51720P IC supposed to drive the motor
winding (in which case I would expect much higher
voltage on in 15)?

Stephen, I spent some serious time yesterday trying
to locate the ICs and the driver IC (M51721L) is not
available anywhere. Thanks for the offer of the
cracked motor board. I'd like to take you up on it.
I'll give you a call later today.

Again, thanks to all,

-- Ron


Stephen Sank wrote:
> 
> Unless your capstan flywheel bearings are shot, which ain't likely & would
> show up as lack of free movement, you are probably right about the M51720
> IC.  The only OEM source I can find in my books at the moment is HBE
> Electronics, which has no website.  The phone number is 1-800-848-6888.
> They list it at $3.06, but the catalog I have is over a year old.  If you
> have great difficulty getting it, I have a motor board that is cracked
> almost in half I will let you scavenge.
> Actually, I just grabbed  the CR-4 manual, and it does have the motor drive
> schematic.  The output drive is provided by the M51721L IC, which is stocked
> by Consolidated, http://ceitron.com , whom I also just found stock the
> M51720, or at least say they do.
> 
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> To: Nak Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:16 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I need some advice. Stephen, anyone?
> >
> >I tried to play a cassette on my CR-7a today and was
> >greeted with silence. Close examination revealed that
> >the capstans were not turning. Very irritating...
> >I opened it up and the capstan motor is quite dead.
> >It did start when I gave it a push, but rotated too
> >slowly and just touching the flywheel was enough to
> >stop it again.
> >
> >This motor is laid out flat, along with the controller,
> >on a PCB... My service manual shows neither a parts
> >list nor a circuit layout. The PCB contains a couple
> >of ICs and a few discrete parts. I won't be surprised
> >if the driver IC is blown, since the board draws about
> >270mA -- about 5 times what it's supposed to.
> >
> >Questions: does this mean that Nakamichi intended the
> >boards to be replaced as a unit, rather than repaired?
> >If so, does anyone know of a better source for the
> >part than the Nakamichi center in Torrance? (These
> >people are impossible  :-) ). Alternately, does anyone
> >know of a source for the driver IC (M51720 -- hopefully,
> >it's not a Nakamichi house number)?
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >-- Ron
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Wed Nov  8 16:10:09 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:10:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question
References: <001601c04986$92126be0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <003501c04995$fc73b4d0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> So do not send your deck for calibration or service to technicians
without
> these tools.

How does a Nak owner know the technican has proper tools en skills?
A good technican can repair anything, cheap or expensive and bring it
to the original specs.
Find one who do not rip off, because you don't know the repairtime
and de price of the parts.


Maurits (LX-5)

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From eslabs at snet.net  Wed Nov  8 16:13:24 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:13:24 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Ron,

My service notes indicate that we have never had a bad I.C. 
We have had a couple with open windings, a few with leaky 
capacitors and many with broken solder connections.

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

"Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts 
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem



Thanks to all that responded.

Jeff, I did measure all coils. All 4 pole windings
are fine (15.5 ohms). The motor winding (150 ohm)
puts out about 50mVAC when the motor is running
(on pin 15 of the M51720P). I have no data for the
ICs and am not sure I fully understand the circuit.
Isn't the M51720P IC supposed to drive the motor
winding (in which case I would expect much higher
voltage on in 15)?

Stephen, I spent some serious time yesterday trying
to locate the ICs and the driver IC (M51721L) is not
available anywhere. Thanks for the offer of the
cracked motor board. I'd like to take you up on it.
I'll give you a call later today.

Again, thanks to all,

-- Ron


Stephen Sank wrote:
> 
> Unless your capstan flywheel bearings are shot, which ain't likely & would
> show up as lack of free movement, you are probably right about the M51720
> IC.  The only OEM source I can find in my books at the moment is HBE
> Electronics, which has no website.  The phone number is 1-800-848-6888.
> They list it at $3.06, but the catalog I have is over a year old.  If you
> have great difficulty getting it, I have a motor board that is cracked
> almost in half I will let you scavenge.
> Actually, I just grabbed  the CR-4 manual, and it does have the motor drive
> schematic.  The output drive is provided by the M51721L IC, which is stocked
> by Consolidated, http://ceitron.com , whom I also just found stock the
> M51720, or at least say they do.
> 
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> To: Nak Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:16 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I need some advice. Stephen, anyone?
> >
> >I tried to play a cassette on my CR-7a today and was
> >greeted with silence. Close examination revealed that
> >the capstans were not turning. Very irritating...
> >I opened it up and the capstan motor is quite dead.
> >It did start when I gave it a push, but rotated too
> >slowly and just touching the flywheel was enough to
> >stop it again.
> >
> >This motor is laid out flat, along with the controller,
> >on a PCB... My service manual shows neither a parts
> >list nor a circuit layout. The PCB contains a couple
> >of ICs and a few discrete parts. I won't be surprised
> >if the driver IC is blown, since the board draws about
> >270mA -- about 5 times what it's supposed to.
> >
> >Questions: does this mean that Nakamichi intended the
> >boards to be replaced as a unit, rather than repaired?
> >If so, does anyone know of a better source for the
> >part than the Nakamichi center in Torrance? (These
> >people are impossible  :-) ). Alternately, does anyone
> >know of a source for the driver IC (M51720 -- hopefully,
> >it's not a Nakamichi house number)?
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >-- Ron
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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Nov  8 16:22:41 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 10:22:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question
References: <001601c04986$92126be0$42d60192@vsnl> <003501c04995$fc73b4d0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>
Message-ID: <3A096FC1.2B909258@concentric.net>

Maurits wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> > So do not send your deck for calibration or service to technicians
> > without these tools.
> 
> How does a Nak owner know the technican has proper tools en skills?

You go by reputation. An experienced tech has been
at it for a while and people will know about him.

> A good technican can repair anything, cheap or expensive and bring it
> to the original specs.

Well, that's a bit simplistic. The tech needs to have
service manuals and a good set of test equipment --
both general (such as oscilloscope, signal generator,
counter, distortion meter etc.) and specialized test
equipment, specific to the model he is repairing. In
short, he must have made a significant investment in
his craft.

> Find one who do not rip off, because you don't know the repairtime
> and de price of the parts.

I'll go along with that. The tech is in position to
rip the customer off. Again, word of mouth and
reputation are the key.

-- Ron


> 
> Maurits (LX-5)
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Nov  8 17:00:48 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:00:48 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX
Message-ID: <011b01c0499d$1013cc80$7393bccf@sank1>

Difficult question without test equipment.  Two things I can suggest.
First, get the oldest, most abused tape you have & listen to it at the
beginning of a side & various points further on & listen for the treble to
go up & down in level, especially right at the moment you hit play.  This
will give a reasonable assurance of belt & pinch roller health.  Second,
take a good, fresh blank tape & proceed through the user bias & rec level
calibrations & see that it can be done without going to extreme end of any
adjustment control.  Hopefully, you'll have the user manual to get you
through this.  These two things, plus listening for any audible speed
deviation, will give a fair idea of good condition.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Isy Fidelman <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX


>Thanks a lot Stephen and Kannan...regarding the state of the machine (the
680ZX) it is
>in great shape since the person who is selling it is the guy who used to be
the Nak
>tech here in Venezuela a few years ago...and checked the machine last
week!!!!
>I have always gave him my Naks to check and do service so I think
everything will be
>fine...he also is going to give me the Nak680ZX for the weekend so I can
try it and see
>if I like it so the question is what kind of tests should I do???
>Thanks a lot again and hope to have news from you soon
>Regards
>Isy
>
>Stephen Sank wrote:
>
>> I actually have a 680 & an LX-5 right here, but I have not ever done a
>> listening comparison.  Never have time to sit down and listen to much of
>> anything.  In my opinion, albeit without listening tests, it would be a
>> sideways move, i.e., neither upgrade nor downgrade, sonically.  However,
the
>> 680ZX does have extensive user calibration abilities, pitch control &
half
>> speed, so that is certainly worth consideration.  Plus, you've gotta love
>> the cool blue flourescent meters.
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
>> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
>> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Isy Fidelman <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
>> To: Naktalk mailinglist <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:37 PM
>> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX
>>
>> >Hi everybody!!!
>> >I wrote a mail yesterday and haven't received any answers yet....
>> >I would like to know which Casstte deck is better the 680ZX or the
>> >LX-5...
>> >I would like to have the opinion of all of you since I have the
>> >oportunity to exchange my LX-5 for the 680ZX...is this a good idea???
>> >Hey Tape-man, Stephen, Kannan help me out please!!!!
>> >Thanks a lot
>> >Isy Fidelman
>> >
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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Nov  8 19:36:09 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 13:36:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net> <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2>
Message-ID: <3A099D19.FADB5033@concentric.net>


Thanks much, Jeff, this is very useful information.
I did find one resistor that lifted off the board 
(that was the 10K resistor that connects circuit
ground to chassis ground. Needless to say, this
was not the cause of the problem). I checked the
only two electrolytics in the circuit, as well as
the 0.022uF SMD cap across the motor coil -- all
are fine.

-- Ron


Jeffrey Galin wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> 
> My service notes indicate that we have never had a bad I.C.
> We have had a couple with open windings, a few with leaky
> capacitors and many with broken solder connections.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Jeffrey Galin
> 
> "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts
> ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
> eslabs at snet.net          www.eslabs.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
> 
> Thanks to all that responded.
> 
> Jeff, I did measure all coils. All 4 pole windings
> are fine (15.5 ohms). The motor winding (150 ohm)
> puts out about 50mVAC when the motor is running
> (on pin 15 of the M51720P). I have no data for the
> ICs and am not sure I fully understand the circuit.
> Isn't the M51720P IC supposed to drive the motor
> winding (in which case I would expect much higher
> voltage on in 15)?
> 
> Stephen, I spent some serious time yesterday trying
> to locate the ICs and the driver IC (M51721L) is not
> available anywhere. Thanks for the offer of the
> cracked motor board. I'd like to take you up on it.
> I'll give you a call later today.
> 
> Again, thanks to all,
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> Stephen Sank wrote:
> >
> > Unless your capstan flywheel bearings are shot, which ain't likely & would
> > show up as lack of free movement, you are probably right about the M51720
> > IC.  The only OEM source I can find in my books at the moment is HBE
> > Electronics, which has no website.  The phone number is 1-800-848-6888.
> > They list it at $3.06, but the catalog I have is over a year old.  If you
> > have great difficulty getting it, I have a motor board that is cracked
> > almost in half I will let you scavenge.
> > Actually, I just grabbed  the CR-4 manual, and it does have the motor drive
> > schematic.  The output drive is provided by the M51721L IC, which is stocked
> > by Consolidated, http://ceitron.com , whom I also just found stock the
> > M51720, or at least say they do.
> >
> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> > To: Nak Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:16 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I need some advice. Stephen, anyone?
> > >
> > >I tried to play a cassette on my CR-7a today and was
> > >greeted with silence. Close examination revealed that
> > >the capstans were not turning. Very irritating...
> > >I opened it up and the capstan motor is quite dead.
> > >It did start when I gave it a push, but rotated too
> > >slowly and just touching the flywheel was enough to
> > >stop it again.
> > >
> > >This motor is laid out flat, along with the controller,
> > >on a PCB... My service manual shows neither a parts
> > >list nor a circuit layout. The PCB contains a couple
> > >of ICs and a few discrete parts. I won't be surprised
> > >if the driver IC is blown, since the board draws about
> > >270mA -- about 5 times what it's supposed to.
> > >
> > >Questions: does this mean that Nakamichi intended the
> > >boards to be replaced as a unit, rather than repaired?
> > >If so, does anyone know of a better source for the
> > >part than the Nakamichi center in Torrance? (These
> > >people are impossible  :-) ). Alternately, does anyone
> > >know of a source for the driver IC (M51720 -- hopefully,
> > >it's not a Nakamichi house number)?
> > >
> > >TIA,
> > >
> > >-- Ron
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From eslabs at snet.net  Wed Nov  8 20:47:51 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:47:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net> <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A099D19.FADB5033@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <00e401c049bc$c9c53dc0$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Ron,

Eight of my new stock motors only have one electrolytic, one mylar
and several SMD.   Are there any other mylar or orange caps on
your version?

By the way, did you confirm that the motor board is getting it's 12 volts?

What's left...the 4 semiconductor devices.

Regards,
Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem



Thanks much, Jeff, this is very useful information.
I did find one resistor that lifted off the board 
(that was the 10K resistor that connects circuit
ground to chassis ground. Needless to say, this
was not the cause of the problem). I checked the
only two electrolytics in the circuit, as well as
the 0.022uF SMD cap across the motor coil -- all
are fine.

-- Ron


Jeffrey Galin wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> 
> My service notes indicate that we have never had a bad I.C.
> We have had a couple with open windings, a few with leaky
> capacitors and many with broken solder connections.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Jeffrey Galin
> 
> "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts
> ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
> eslabs at snet.net          www.eslabs.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
> 
> Thanks to all that responded.
> 
> Jeff, I did measure all coils. All 4 pole windings
> are fine (15.5 ohms). The motor winding (150 ohm)
> puts out about 50mVAC when the motor is running
> (on pin 15 of the M51720P). I have no data for the
> ICs and am not sure I fully understand the circuit.
> Isn't the M51720P IC supposed to drive the motor
> winding (in which case I would expect much higher
> voltage on in 15)?
> 
> Stephen, I spent some serious time yesterday trying
> to locate the ICs and the driver IC (M51721L) is not
> available anywhere. Thanks for the offer of the
> cracked motor board. I'd like to take you up on it.
> I'll give you a call later today.
> 
> Again, thanks to all,
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> Stephen Sank wrote:
> >
> > Unless your capstan flywheel bearings are shot, which ain't likely & would
> > show up as lack of free movement, you are probably right about the M51720
> > IC.  The only OEM source I can find in my books at the moment is HBE
> > Electronics, which has no website.  The phone number is 1-800-848-6888.
> > They list it at $3.06, but the catalog I have is over a year old.  If you
> > have great difficulty getting it, I have a motor board that is cracked
> > almost in half I will let you scavenge.
> > Actually, I just grabbed  the CR-4 manual, and it does have the motor drive
> > schematic.  The output drive is provided by the M51721L IC, which is stocked
> > by Consolidated, http://ceitron.com , whom I also just found stock the
> > M51720, or at least say they do.
> >
> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> > To: Nak Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:16 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I need some advice. Stephen, anyone?
> > >
> > >I tried to play a cassette on my CR-7a today and was
> > >greeted with silence. Close examination revealed that
> > >the capstans were not turning. Very irritating...
> > >I opened it up and the capstan motor is quite dead.
> > >It did start when I gave it a push, but rotated too
> > >slowly and just touching the flywheel was enough to
> > >stop it again.
> > >
> > >This motor is laid out flat, along with the controller,
> > >on a PCB... My service manual shows neither a parts
> > >list nor a circuit layout. The PCB contains a couple
> > >of ICs and a few discrete parts. I won't be surprised
> > >if the driver IC is blown, since the board draws about
> > >270mA -- about 5 times what it's supposed to.
> > >
> > >Questions: does this mean that Nakamichi intended the
> > >boards to be replaced as a unit, rather than repaired?
> > >If so, does anyone know of a better source for the
> > >part than the Nakamichi center in Torrance? (These
> > >people are impossible  :-) ). Alternately, does anyone
> > >know of a source for the driver IC (M51720 -- hopefully,
> > >it's not a Nakamichi house number)?
> > >
> > >TIA,
> > >
> > >-- Ron
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  8 20:36:35 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:36:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE72SzbAUfKRfcj00000515@hotmail.com>

Ron, on the next week, I will be at work and will try to search in a Sony
'semiconductor replacement book' the Sony parts number of this IC, helped
with that you will just have to contact any Sony service centre to order the
part...

My service manual contains all PCB trace drawings, the capstan motor have
not trace drawing in the whole manual.

The Nakamichi part number of the motor PCB assy is:

    OC81428A        Flywheel Holder P.C.B.

Matyas
________________________________________
Matyas, thanks much. Does your service manual also
contain the PC board layout (I mean, how the
components are mounted on the PCB) and/or list
of parts?

-- Ron


Matyas wrote:
>
> Hello Ron,
>
> You need the circuit layout, there it is !!!
>
> Regards,
> Matyas
> ___________________________________
_________________________________________
> Stephen, I spent some serious time yesterday trying
> to locate the ICs and the driver IC (M51721L) is not
> available anywhere. Thanks for the offer of the
> cracked motor board. I'd like to take you up on it.
> I'll give you a call later today.
>
> Again, thanks to all,
>
> -- Ron


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  8 20:50:29 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:50:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX
References: <011b01c0499d$1013cc80$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE68m3qKlEwPCUD0000052a@hotmail.com>

Isy, I think you have yet done your choice, but I want let you know my
experience on the 680ZX and LX-3.

Despite the fact that I spend ~3 day to tune my LX-3 for a better sound
(esspecially a work around the Dolby IC's) replace output op amp by faster
njm082 (CR-7) replace coupling capacitors and much;

I come to the conclusion that that deck isn't audiophile enough to me on
playback.(with or without dolby)
Its recordings on the contrary are exellents, on other decks.

The 680ZX is my favorite and a deep abyss dwells between them.
It have a really transparent sound, with natural timbres.
680ZX may be less dynamic and less punchy than the 582.
But with 680ZX more delicate ambiance are given.

Dont forget that 680ZX had only Dolby B. (1000ZXL too ...)

Enjoy that great deck!!!

Matyas


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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Nov  8 21:31:18 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 15:31:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net> <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A099D19.FADB5033@concentric.net> <00e401c049bc$c9c53dc0$6401a8c0@eslabs2>
Message-ID: <3A09B816.BAC78707@concentric.net>

Jeffrey Galin wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> 
> Eight of my new stock motors only have one electrolytic, one mylar
> and several SMD.

There's another electrolytic on the logic board
(220uF), that, if leaking, could cause the 1.5V
drop across the 5.6 Ohm supply resistor. Since
it's OK, I conclude the 275mA current is drawn
by the motor PCB. The mylar cap measures over
4 MOhm. Can't measure it's value in circuit.

> Are there any other mylar or orange caps on
> your version?

No, that's it. I suspect the only have this one
version.

> By the way, did you confirm that the motor board
>is getting it's 12 volts?

First thing I did. It's getting 10.6V, rather than
the 11.7V the schematic calls for. Something on the
board is drawing too much current. My first suspect
was/is the M51720P, followed by the other IC. I'm
waiting for the replacement IC before playing with
it any more.

Thanks for the hand holding,

-- Ron

> What's left...the 4 semiconductor devices.
> 
> Regards,
> Jeff
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
> 
> Thanks much, Jeff, this is very useful information.
> I did find one resistor that lifted off the board
> (that was the 10K resistor that connects circuit
> ground to chassis ground. Needless to say, this
> was not the cause of the problem). I checked the
> only two electrolytics in the circuit, as well as
> the 0.022uF SMD cap across the motor coil -- all
> are fine.
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> Jeffrey Galin wrote:
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > My service notes indicate that we have never had a bad I.C.
> > We have had a couple with open windings, a few with leaky
> > capacitors and many with broken solder connections.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jeffrey Galin
> >
> > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts
> > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> > 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> > tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
> > eslabs at snet.net          www.eslabs.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
> >
> > Thanks to all that responded.
> >
> > Jeff, I did measure all coils. All 4 pole windings
> > are fine (15.5 ohms). The motor winding (150 ohm)
> > puts out about 50mVAC when the motor is running
> > (on pin 15 of the M51720P). I have no data for the
> > ICs and am not sure I fully understand the circuit.
> > Isn't the M51720P IC supposed to drive the motor
> > winding (in which case I would expect much higher
> > voltage on in 15)?
> >
> > Stephen, I spent some serious time yesterday trying
> > to locate the ICs and the driver IC (M51721L) is not
> > available anywhere. Thanks for the offer of the
> > cracked motor board. I'd like to take you up on it.
> > I'll give you a call later today.
> >
> > Again, thanks to all,
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> > Stephen Sank wrote:
> > >
> > > Unless your capstan flywheel bearings are shot, which ain't likely & would
> > > show up as lack of free movement, you are probably right about the M51720
> > > IC.  The only OEM source I can find in my books at the moment is HBE
> > > Electronics, which has no website.  The phone number is 1-800-848-6888.
> > > They list it at $3.06, but the catalog I have is over a year old.  If you
> > > have great difficulty getting it, I have a motor board that is cracked
> > > almost in half I will let you scavenge.
> > > Actually, I just grabbed  the CR-4 manual, and it does have the motor drive
> > > schematic.  The output drive is provided by the M51721L IC, which is stocked
> > > by Consolidated, http://ceitron.com , whom I also just found stock the
> > > M51720, or at least say they do.
> > >
> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
> > > To: Nak Talk <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:16 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
> > >
> > > >Hi,
> > > >
> > > >I need some advice. Stephen, anyone?
> > > >
> > > >I tried to play a cassette on my CR-7a today and was
> > > >greeted with silence. Close examination revealed that
> > > >the capstans were not turning. Very irritating...
> > > >I opened it up and the capstan motor is quite dead.
> > > >It did start when I gave it a push, but rotated too
> > > >slowly and just touching the flywheel was enough to
> > > >stop it again.
> > > >
> > > >This motor is laid out flat, along with the controller,
> > > >on a PCB... My service manual shows neither a parts
> > > >list nor a circuit layout. The PCB contains a couple
> > > >of ICs and a few discrete parts. I won't be surprised
> > > >if the driver IC is blown, since the board draws about
> > > >270mA -- about 5 times what it's supposed to.
> > > >
> > > >Questions: does this mean that Nakamichi intended the
> > > >boards to be replaced as a unit, rather than repaired?
> > > >If so, does anyone know of a better source for the
> > > >part than the Nakamichi center in Torrance? (These
> > > >people are impossible  :-) ). Alternately, does anyone
> > > >know of a source for the driver IC (M51720 -- hopefully,
> > > >it's not a Nakamichi house number)?
> > > >
> > > >TIA,
> > > >
> > > >-- Ron
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From audioguy1 at Home.com  Thu Nov  9 02:02:10 2000
From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:02:10 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A upgrades
Message-ID: <3A09F792.73E81AA2@home.com>

Hi all. I have been reading alot here lately about
component upgrades to Naks. Are there any that are
recommended for a CR-3? Just curious. Have done
some to my cd player and it has been worthwhile.
Thanks

Rick

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov  9 05:29:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:59:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question
Message-ID: <004801c04a05$9ec3d520$42d60192@vsnl>

Yeah it is true that Nak owners may not know whether the tech guy is having
the required tools.  Nak authorised service center should have  these ;
considering Nak' reputation and that will be a good guideline.
This answer was given to a personal question by member of our group who
wanted to know whether the tools are required. From my experience of doing
the service myself with as well without some tools of Nak, my conclusion is
these tools are very important.
We also go by some our members personal experience to decide which tech can
be trusted.
I had myself bad experienc of giving my car stereo to some guy and pay
whatever he charged me without knowing what was the problem !
Fortunately we have access to some of the fine documents of Nak ( service
manual - 582 which explain in detail about the factors affecting quality of
recording and replay ) in our ftp server - Thank Wouter many times for this-
one can assess my point well.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Maurits <m.raven at chello.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 service question


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
>> So do not send your deck for calibration or service to technicians
>without
>> these tools.
>
>How does a Nak owner know the technican has proper tools en skills?
>A good technican can repair anything, cheap or expensive and bring it
>to the original specs.
>Find one who do not rip off, because you don't know the repairtime
>and de price of the parts.
>
>
>Maurits (LX-5)
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov  9 06:00:22 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:30:22 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nak reference monitor speakers
Message-ID: <008901c04a09$fcac8660$42d60192@vsnl>

Look at this item - 

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=493022716

Kannan

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov  9 06:22:35 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:52:35 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi trade!!
Message-ID: <00bb01c04a0d$197c9840$42d60192@vsnl>

Jeff
I found 582 capstan motor governor circuit is inside the Motor and is it the
same with LX5 and 680? and if so will it not a simple upgrade using 680
motor on LX 5 to get it going with better speed stability?
Ofcourse I assume here all these run on 12 V Dc supply.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Galin <eslabs at snet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi trade!!


>Isy,
>
>The speed performance is better on a 680.  The capstan motor
>on the 680 or 680ZX is far superior to the LX-5's.  The 680 will
>maintain a constant speed and have much lower wow & flutter.
>A 680ZX or 682ZX would be even a better choice as they will
>ensure a correct record head azimuth alignment.   Although
>they both have the ability to be great machines, I would
>choose the 680 or 682 series over the LX-5.
>
>Sincerely,
>Jeffrey Galin
>
>University Of Connecticut BSEE & BSCS Degrees
>Connecticut Unrestricted Certified Electronic Technician License
>Amateur Radio Extra Class License "W1LOP"
>Trained by Nakamichi's Japanese Electronic Technicians
>
>"Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts
>ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
>1807 Berlin Turnpike
>Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
>tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
>eslabs at snet.net          www.eslabs.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
>To: "Naktalk mailinglist" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:43 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi trade!!
>
>
>Hi to all of you!!!
>I have a situation here and I need advice..
>I have the oportunity tochange myNakamichi X-5 for a Nak 680 or
>62...should I do ths or I'd better keep my LX-5.
>Thanks a lot
>Isy Fidelman
>
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Thu Nov  9 09:48:46 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:48:46 +0100 
Subject: [naktalk] Nak reference monitor speakers
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485A44@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

Kannan,
 
I still have a pair of those SRM-1000s.  When I had first got them used
about
1988.  I opened them up and I thought that the guy who sold them to me have
modified them because they didn't have a pcb for frequency division.
Nak assured me that they were made that way.

Cheers,
Raul

-----Original Message-----
From: Kannan. S [mailto:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:00 AM
To: Nak Talk
Subject: [naktalk] Nak reference monitor speakers


Look at this item - 

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=493022716

Kannan

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov  9 13:53:27 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:23:27 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts
Message-ID: <000601c04a4c$0e3fb540$42d60192@vsnl>

I just received reply from Naks Japan - unfortunately they do not have front
panel assembly due to vendor problem! ofcourse she had quoted for Azimuth
wire / volume controls for Master input and left & right pots. I had asked
for the Plastic buttons for forward / rev/ play / pause etc and that is also
not available with them
note front lid ( cassette cover) assembly is 28USD
Kannan


-------------------------------
reply from japan
HA04401A/ $28.00
0B07203A/$6.00
0B07202A/$3.00
0B07204A/$6.00
0C08237A/$10.00

Unfortunatelly, two kinds of Front panel assy HA04398A & HA04399A
are no more available due to vendor`s problem.
Sorry...

Have a nice day !

best regards,

Naoko
-----Original Message-----
From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon face plate parts


>Dear Naktalkers
>these are the part numbers
>Dragon
>Cassette Lid assembly HA 04401A - this the cassette door containing three
>parts
>Lid cover 0H04189A
>Indicator reflector 0H04187B
>Cassette lid subassembly HA 04414A
>Better to order one set full
>
>
>Face plate is called Front panel assembly HA04398A
>and it contains the buttons - eject and power and there is no seperate part
>number so you have to order the entire assembly
>let me send a request for the price of these items to Nak japan and once
>reply comes ; will let you know
>Kannan
>-----Original Message-----
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From eslabs at snet.net  Thu Nov  9 15:28:55 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:28:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 
References: <00bb01c04a0d$197c9840$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <003201c04a59$664f6d40$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Kannan,

The single speed version of the 680 motor is used in the 580 series and
will work on the LX-5.  

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi trade!!


Jeff
I found 582 capstan motor governor circuit is inside the Motor and is it the
same with LX5 and 680? and if so will it not a simple upgrade using 680
motor on LX 5 to get it going with better speed stability?
Ofcourse I assume here all these run on 12 V Dc supply.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Galin <eslabs at snet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi trade!!


>Isy,
>
>The speed performance is better on a 680.  The capstan motor
>on the 680 or 680ZX is far superior to the LX-5's.  The 680 will
>maintain a constant speed and have much lower wow & flutter.
>A 680ZX or 682ZX would be even a better choice as they will
>ensure a correct record head azimuth alignment.   Although
>they both have the ability to be great machines, I would
>choose the 680 or 682 series over the LX-5.
>
>Sincerely,
>Jeffrey Galin
>
>University Of Connecticut BSEE & BSCS Degrees
>Connecticut Unrestricted Certified Electronic Technician License
>Amateur Radio Extra Class License "W1LOP"
>Trained by Nakamichi's Japanese Electronic Technicians
>
>"Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts
>ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
>1807 Berlin Turnpike
>Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
>tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST
>eslabs at snet.net          www.eslabs.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Isy Fidelman" <fidelman at telcel.net.ve>
>To: "Naktalk mailinglist" <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:43 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi trade!!
>
>
>Hi to all of you!!!
>I have a situation here and I need advice..
>I have the oportunity tochange myNakamichi X-5 for a Nak 680 or
>62...should I do ths or I'd better keep my LX-5.
>Thanks a lot
>Isy Fidelman
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Thu Nov  9 15:42:51 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 09:42:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak reference monitor speakers
References: <008901c04a09$fcac8660$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A0AB7EB.9AC1475D@concentric.net>


ebay never ceases to amaze (and entertain) me. Some
peddler is selling a Nak 1000 Tri Tracer, but calls
it 'ZXL 1000'. See

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=493034957

Of course, there is no such thing as a 'ZXL 1000',
so this must have nothing to do with the going price
for the 1000 Tri Tracer at about $300-$500 while the
1000ZXL goes for about 3 times that much. It's just
an honest mistake, not a snare for suckers.

-- Ron


"Kannan. S" wrote:
> 
> Look at this item -
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=493022716
> 
> Kannan
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From khambawati at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  9 16:57:12 2000
From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:57:12 EST
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 spares
Message-ID: <LAW2-F149A8UJ4Epktk00002446@hotmail.com>

What are the spares which one should stock up on for a Nakamichi LX-3 of 
1981? In February 2000, the pinch rollers, all drive belts and the idler 
ring were replaced.

Anyone know a place in India where repairs and maintenance by a 
knowledgeable person can be performed on a Nakamichi at a reasonable price?
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From marc at stager.com  Thu Nov  9 17:02:11 2000
From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 11:02:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak on eBay
In-Reply-To: <3A0AB7EB.9AC1475D@concentric.net>
References: <008901c04a09$fcac8660$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001109110044.01f951f0@mail.flashcom.net>

There is a 700 tri-tracer on eBay going for a
little less than that:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=489541695

_______________ Marc Stager

==============================

At 11/9/00, you wrote:

>ebay never ceases to amaze (and entertain) me. Some
>peddler is selling a Nak 1000 Tri Tracer, but calls
>it 'ZXL 1000'. See
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=493034957
>
>Of course, there is no such thing as a 'ZXL 1000',
>so this must have nothing to do with the going price
>for the 1000 Tri Tracer at about $300-$500 while the
>1000ZXL goes for about 3 times that much. It's just
>an honest mistake, not a snare for suckers.
>
>-- Ron

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  9 21:52:59 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:52:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A upgrades
References: <3A09F792.73E81AA2@home.com>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE56EuuL1kfhitN000004ea@hotmail.com>

Rick, I have been searching in discuss. groups for which modern op amps were
apreciated most by audio tweakers, also read a lot of hifi mags to know
which op amp were used in high end gears as Mark Levinson, Bel Canto and the
like.
Also I often shearch the data sheets of these op amp in the web, and I
compare them.
For instance, I dont have yet find in Geneva a source for Burr-Brown nor
Analogue Device parts.

I can only replace the op amps of my Naks by JRC brand ones due to my work
in a Sony service centre.

If you really want to try the job, start to look at the output line
amplifier.(I am curious about it, let me know wich kind of op amp it is used
in your deck.)
Do not touch recording amplifier !
Faster op amp you will drop in, as a general rule, more free the sound 'll
be.
Be aware of voltage folower configuration.
It will be great that you own the service manual before any intervention.
If you have some technical knowledge look at www.njr.com you will find there
all data sheets of any op amp used in Nakamichi decks.

best, Matyas
__________________________________________


> Hi all. I have been reading alot here lately about
> component upgrades to Naks. Are there any that are
> recommended for a CR-3? Just curious. Have done
> some to my cd player and it has been worthwhile.
> Thanks
>
> Rick


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  9 21:28:38 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:28:38 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net> <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A099D19.FADB5033@concentric.net> <00e401c049bc$c9c53dc0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A09B816.BAC78707@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE67pvqnJNeO92500000835@hotmail.com>

Ron our mails were crossed...
Did you want me to find Sony ref for the 2 IC's of that board ?

Matyas
______________________________________
>I'm
> waiting for the replacement IC before playing with
> it any more.

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From audioguy1 at Home.com  Fri Nov 10 04:17:25 2000
From: audioguy1 at Home.com (audioguy1 at Home.com)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 21:17:25 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A upgrades
References: <3A09F792.73E81AA2@home.com> <LAW-OE56EuuL1kfhitN000004ea@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A0B68C5.EB63BF41@home.com>

Thanks Matyas. I'll start their. Do you really notice the difference with better op
amps? Smoother?
Would some of the upgrades from Cr-7's-5's had trickled down to these seeing they were
made later?
Thanks
Rick

Matyas wrote:

> Rick, I have been searching in discuss. groups for which modern op amps were
> apreciated most by audio tweakers, also read a lot of hifi mags to know
> which op amp were used in high end gears as Mark Levinson, Bel Canto and the
> like.

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov  9 05:43:16 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:13:16 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nak reference monitor speakers
Message-ID: <006601c04a07$9482cb00$42d60192@vsnl>

Raul
what was your experience with these monitors ? Are they really of old Nak
glory ?
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Tellez, Raul <rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil>
To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak reference monitor speakers


>Kannan,
>
>I still have a pair of those SRM-1000s.  When I had first got them used
>about
>1988.  I opened them up and I thought that the guy who sold them to me have
>modified them because they didn't have a pcb for frequency division.
>Nak assured me that they were made that way.
>
>Cheers,
>Raul
>


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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov  9 05:50:56 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:20:56 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A upgrades
Message-ID: <006b01c04a08$a62af200$42d60192@vsnl>

RS compnents in UK distributes by mail order large number of ICs - they have
a branch in India and I bought OP275 for Dragon' playback amp replacement
through them( instaed of their TLO72 equivalent) as suggested by Stephen.
This company stocks some of these good opamps of Burr Brown Analog Devices
and LT etc. They have less of japanese transistors but lot more good quality
opamps / AD- DA converters as well power/ mosfet/ small signal transistors/
tools/ test equipment etc. They have huge online catalogs.
their website
http://www.rs-components.com/
visit this site for more info
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: audioguy1 at Home.com <audioguy1 at Home.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3A upgrades


>Thanks Matyas. I'll start their. Do you really notice the difference with
better op
>amps? Smoother?
>Would some of the upgrades from Cr-7's-5's had trickled down to these
seeing they were
>made later?
>Thanks
>Rick
>
>Matyas wrote:
>
>> Rick, I have been searching in discuss. groups for which modern op amps
were
>> apreciated most by audio tweakers, also read a lot of hifi mags to know
>> which op amp were used in high end gears as Mark Levinson, Bel Canto and
the
>> like.
>
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From eslabs at snet.net  Fri Nov 10 15:19:36 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:19:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A upgrades
References: <006b01c04a08$a62af200$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <00a101c04b21$425effe0$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Guys,

How much difference do you think these IC's will make, to improve the 
quality of the sound, compared to the other variables in a cassette deck? 
What will they improve?  S/N ratio?  THD?  TRTime?  Head room? 
Frequency response?  or just sound better?

Jeffrey Galin

ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
eslabs at snet.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3A upgrades


RS compnents in UK distributes by mail order large number of ICs - they have
a branch in India and I bought OP275 for Dragon' playback amp replacement
through them( instaed of their TLO72 equivalent) as suggested by Stephen.
This company stocks some of these good opamps of Burr Brown Analog Devices
and LT etc. They have less of japanese transistors but lot more good quality
opamps / AD- DA converters as well power/ mosfet/ small signal transistors/
tools/ test equipment etc. They have huge online catalogs.
their website
http://www.rs-components.com/
visit this site for more info
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: audioguy1 at Home.com <audioguy1 at Home.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3A upgrades


>Thanks Matyas. I'll start their. Do you really notice the difference with
better op
>amps? Smoother?
>Would some of the upgrades from Cr-7's-5's had trickled down to these
seeing they were
>made later?
>Thanks
>Rick
>
>Matyas wrote:
>
>> Rick, I have been searching in discuss. groups for which modern op amps
were
>> apreciated most by audio tweakers, also read a lot of hifi mags to know
>> which op amp were used in high end gears as Mark Levinson, Bel Canto and
the
>> like.
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Fri Nov 10 16:27:06 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:27:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net> <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A099D19.FADB5033@concentric.net> <00e401c049bc$c9c53dc0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A09B816.BAC78707@concentric.net> <LAW-OE67pvqnJNeO92500000835@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A0C13CA.3674DA71@concentric.net>

Matyas wrote:
> 
> Ron our mails were crossed...
> Did you want me to find Sony ref for the 2 IC's of that board ?
> 
> Matyas

If it's not too much trouble, I would appreciate
the information. I do have the Nakamichi schematic,
but do not fully understand the motor circuit. They
do show the M51721L block diagram in the schematic,
but I have no idea what the M51720P does internally.
Looks like the two ICs are made by Mitsubishi. I
have not been able to find a data sheet on either.

I am waiting for 2 replacement ICs. I strongly suspect
the M51720P. When the ICs arrive, I will replace it
first and see what happens.

TIA,

-- Ron



> ______________________________________
> >I'm
> > waiting for the replacement IC before playing with
> > it any more.
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 10 22:15:25 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:15:25 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] upgrades
References: <006b01c04a08$a62af200$42d60192@vsnl> <00a101c04b21$425effe0$6401a8c0@eslabs2>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE20LtFEiEQUK7v000001c6@hotmail.com>

Jeff wrote:

> Guys,
>
> How much difference do you think these IC's will make, to improve the
> quality of the sound, compared to the other variables in a cassette deck?
> What will they improve?  S/N ratio?  THD?  TRTime?  Head room?
> Frequency response?  or just sound better?
>
> Jeffrey Galin



I dont have think the differences, I 've heard them.

My first experience was to replace njm4558 of the line amplifier in my 582
by a 4560.
My 582 sound were yet improved in terms of clarity & dynamics by adding
Bypass cap in power supply as well as more consequent cap around Dolby IC's
and local reservoir caps of main pcb.

With 4560 (which is 4 X faster vs 4558) higly charged & complex musical
contents are better controled,
If you got the movie tracks CD of Kubbrick's  'Eyes wide shuts' you probably
knows a Diamanda Gallas song
with a very low piano & percussions...
with 4560, you can feel accurately the sound stage opens, you can
distinguish wich elements in the track are more compressed or less, in
general all is less fat and a gain of natural and concert feeling is obtain.

I ever do my solders with a quality silver-baser one.

To compare with 'infinite' (analogue...) variables of decks, I can say that
without adjusting anywhat anywhere, with the same model even a untrained ear
distinguish with ease the air that come around musicians/elements when op
amp replaced.

S/N ratio will not be affected if use in line amp, due to mid levels
signals.(-I must moderate my statements, for fun I have replace my Dragon
out amp 2041 for the general purpose 4558: yes S/N is worsened but 4558 is
an ancesstor.-). in first stages I am sure that parameter is of evidence
gain. But in such circuit, other param. as offset voltage seems to be taken
with attention ..

There is no mysteries... when you compare data sheets for power supply
rejection & S/N.

About THD, my humble apprentice budjet dont afford me a 'Grand referance
system one' distortion analyser
but my parents gives me good ears. Seriously, even extremly low THD given by
better op amp will be feel, even if you knows all natures of the
considerable distortions the tapes carries.
With better audio, the tape content is isolated as an entity and is less a
part of your deck.

Head room, will I suppose, be explained with p.supply rejection that isolate
our amp from other circuits solicited DC lines.

I dont know what you mean by TRTime but I take it for SR time.
Slew rate is for what I experience the most discriminating parameter.
And as I yet write, higher it will be, better sound will.
Perhaps simplist, but for instance it is what my ears tells me.
Comprehensible if you think about how fine and subtle the timbre grain,
harmonics, evoluates along the time, along great and fast levels
changes.(without talking about unfastening rise time of the tape prosess)
As music is the art of time, we must give it the very best with amps that
are not running after music nor outstrip it, but choose open windows for
music.

we keep in touch,
Matyas
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 10 21:35:43 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:35:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-3A upgrades
References: <3A09F792.73E81AA2@home.com> <LAW-OE56EuuL1kfhitN000004ea@hotmail.com> <3A0B68C5.EB63BF41@home.com>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE6A91E9GQvnbEG000001a4@hotmail.com>


I unfortunatly dont know your deck entrails.
But it should be deeply different.

Matyas

> Would some of the upgrades from Cr-7's-5's had trickled down to these
seeing they were
> made later?
> Thanks
> Rick


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From oceanview5 at Home.com  Sat Nov 11 16:48:03 2000
From: oceanview5 at Home.com (oceanview5@home.com (Gary))
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:48:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] TEST
References: <006b01c04a08$a62af200$42d60192@vsnl> <00a101c04b21$425effe0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <LAW-OE20LtFEiEQUK7v000001c6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A0D6A32.5654DFB4@home.com>

TEST

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 11 18:49:10 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:49:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] upgrades
References: <006b01c04a08$a62af200$42d60192@vsnl> <00a101c04b21$425effe0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <LAW-OE20LtFEiEQUK7v000001c6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE656YiufL0xJdQ000003e5@hotmail.com>

Ooops... I make a mistake, the Diamada Gallas dont figure in that CD.
It was indeed from 'sporting life'
Compil' tapes ...

Matyas

> If you got the movie tracks CD of Kubbrick's  'Eyes wide shuts' you
probably
> knows a Diamanda Gallas song
> with a very low piano & percussions

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Nov 11 21:56:51 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:56:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Gold ReVox B77
References: <006b01c04a08$a62af200$42d60192@vsnl> <00a101c04b21$425effe0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <LAW-OE20LtFEiEQUK7v000001c6@hotmail.com> <LAW-OE656YiufL0xJdQ000003e5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c04c21$eb04dc90$b8496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

I came across a gold ReVox B77 on the web. Price $2389.
http://www.reussenzehn.de/hifi/revoxb77.htm

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Nov 14 17:07:59 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:07:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping?
Message-ID: <3A11635F.5CE5071A@xs4all.nl>

What's going on?
All nakkies are tired of naktalk?

It's too quiet, I almost start to think there is a server problem ;-)

Wouter

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From eslabs at snet.net  Tue Nov 14 17:23:21 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:23:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping?
References: <3A11635F.5CE5071A@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <00e701c04e57$35ba58a0$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Wouter,

I was thinking the same thing this morning!!

Jeffrey Galin


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Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping?


What's going on?
All nakkies are tired of naktalk?

It's too quiet, I almost start to think there is a server problem ;-)

Wouter

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From marcushemma at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 14 18:16:14 2000
From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?Windows-1252?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:16:14 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Non subjective appraisal
Message-ID: <OE7lrwAnekVgKMy5KIN000002e3@hotmail.com>

Hello all naktalkers.

We all share the "fact" that the naks are the best. But...do we have serious arguments why this is so?

I started a list as follows:

-Impeccable electronics. (Could be designed and manufactured by anybody who can read.)
-Stable tape transport. This cannot be done by anybody because of know.how and patents.

Anything to be added? Pls comment!

Marcus Rosén.





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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Nov 14 18:35:18 2000
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:35:18 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Manual
Message-ID: <3A1177D6.B42720C8@telcel.net.ve>

I would like to know where can I get a USER'S MANUAL for the Nakamichi
680ZX...if anybody can make me a copy or something I'll appreciate it
and send you the money..
Thanks a lot
Isy

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Nov 14 18:59:29 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:59:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Manual
References: <3A1177D6.B42720C8@telcel.net.ve>
Message-ID: <3A117D81.51CA3B96@xs4all.nl>

Hi Isy,

It's here on the FTP server:

ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/owners/english/

And it's FREE!
Enjoy it!

Wouter


Isy Fidelman wrote:

> I would like to know where can I get a USER'S MANUAL for the Nakamichi
> 680ZX...if anybody can make me a copy or something I'll appreciate it
> and send you the money..
> Thanks a lot
> Isy
>



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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Tue Nov 14 18:56:12 2000
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:56:12 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Manual
References: <3A1177D6.B42720C8@telcel.net.ve> <3A117D81.51CA3B96@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <3A117CBC.9E3BE971@telcel.net.ve>

Great!!!
Thanks a lot Wouter

Wouter Heijke wrote:

> Hi Isy,
>
> It's here on the FTP server:
>
> ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/owners/english/
>
> And it's FREE!
> Enjoy it!
>
> Wouter
>
> Isy Fidelman wrote:
>
> > I would like to know where can I get a USER'S MANUAL for the Nakamichi
> > 680ZX...if anybody can make me a copy or something I'll appreciate it
> > and send you the money..
> > Thanks a lot
> > Isy
> >
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Tue Nov 14 19:45:01 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:45:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Manual
Message-ID: <sa1141f8.070@WORF.anderson.edu>

Isy,

Try:  ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/owners/english/ .  After you get there, select 680ZX.pdf, then print the file.  That's how I got my manual, which IS necessary if you don't intimately know this deck.  It is a great deck at 1 7/8 ips, but the real treat is background music at 15/16 ips!  Of course you must use 120 us equalization to keep from distorting the high frequencies in loud passages.  The TDK MA 110 minute cassettes are great for long playing without having to turn the tape over very often.  But, for your serious listening, it's best to use the normal (fast) speed.  Looks like you chose to get the 680ZX over the LX5.  I've never had an LX5, so I'm slightly "biased" in favor of the 680ZX.  After you download the owners manual from the Nak ftp site, you'll really get to love the ZX.  

Enjoy!

Kent    

>>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 11/14/00 12:35PM >>>
I would like to know where can I get a USER'S MANUAL for the Nakamichi
680ZX...if anybody can make me a copy or something I'll appreciate it
and send you the money..
Thanks a lot
Isy

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Nov 14 21:05:04 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:05:04 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Manual
References: <sa1141f8.070@WORF.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <3A119AF0.97091330@xs4all.nl>

Isy,

This is a great deck and I would also prefer it over an LX-5 which has
no calibration options except the bias fine tune which isn't serious
'Nak' calibration!
And the manual is needed to get all the features working like the RAMM
option, which puzzled me when I got my 680ZX and didn't have a manual!

Enjoy it Isy! It is one of my favorite Naks!

Wouter


Kent Merideth wrote:

>  Isy, Try:  ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/owners/english/ .  After
> you get there, select 680ZX.pdf, then print the file.  That's how I
> got my manual, which IS necessary if you don't intimately know this
> deck.  It is a great deck at 1 7/8 ips, but the real treat is
> background music at 15/16 ips!  Of course you must use 120 us
> equalization to keep from distorting the high frequencies in loud
> passages.  The TDK MA 110 minute cassettes are great for long playing
> without having to turn the tape over very often.  But, for your
> serious listening, it's best to use the normal (fast) speed.  Looks
> like you chose to get the 680ZX over the LX5.  I've never had an LX5,
> so I'm slightly "biased" in favor of the 680ZX.  After you download
> the owners manual from the Nak ftp site, you'll really get to love the
> ZX. Enjoy! Kent
>
> >>> fidelman at telcel.net.ve 11/14/00 12:35PM >>>
> I would like to know where can I get a USER'S MANUAL for the Nakamichi
>
> 680ZX...if anybody can make me a copy or something I'll appreciate it
> and send you the money..
> Thanks a lot
> Isy

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Nov 14 21:08:12 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:08:12 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Non subjective appraisal
References: <OE7lrwAnekVgKMy5KIN000002e3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901c04e76$9f83db20$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Marcus,

>We all share the "fact" that the naks are the best. But...do we have
serious arguments why this is so?
>
>I started a list as follows:
>
>-Impeccable electronics. (Could be designed and manufactured by anybody who
can read.)
>-Stable tape transport. This cannot be done by anybody because of know.how
and patents.

- Defenitely THE BEST HEADS ever made period
- Made with love for the deck and sound

Misha

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Nov 14 23:43:21 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:43:21 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Cool Analog Catalog
Message-ID: <OFE6F62E59.7BAF3DFF-ON86256997.007C6AF7@ac.com>


A pretty nifty catalog arrived in my mail yesterday, from Harvard Square
Records (www.lpnow.com).  They have tons of prerecorded, sealed, new cutout
cassettes for sale, and some of them look pretty rare.  From my experience,
they appear to be a little pricey, but the selection is astounding.  And,
for all you Wire fans out there, they have copies of 154, Manscape, Drill,
etc., as well as solo stuff.  Check out their Web site for catalog info.

George

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From KKULP at tritonpcs.com  Wed Nov 15 01:35:48 2000
From: KKULP at tritonpcs.com (Kevin Kulp)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:35:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RX-202
Message-ID: <A7E7B3B1DCA9D411B36500805F5735E113F5DE@chasmail1.sc.tritonpcs.com>

If anybody is interested:

I have a CR-1a, with manual, in very good condition; calibrated and biased
recently for Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S (Type I bias has not been
adjusted from factory) and fully bench tested.

I am interested in acquiring an RX-202/303...I would do a straight swap or
swap plus $$$ (to cover the difference in value)

Let me know if any of you is interested

Thanks,

Kev Kulp
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Nov 14 05:18:37 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:48:37 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Non subjective appraisal
Message-ID: <003001c04df1$f62ee760$42d60192@vsnl>

I think more than transport - Tandberg made more massive and stable
transport and Revox another manufacturer had designed transport as good as
Naks , nobody could make heads of Nak spec. Nak heads are the best and
coupled with sturdy mechanism made all the sound ( music). In fact their 250
/ 500 machines can sound well may be entirely due to their heads.
Nak Electronics? I think there are people out their who can give better
judgment. Nak however placed a bit elaborate circuit to align level and bias
for each type of tape which is a real treat.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Non subjective appraisal


>Hi Marcus,
>
>>We all share the "fact" that the naks are the best. But...do we have
>serious arguments why this is so?
>>
>>I started a list as follows:
>>
>>-Impeccable electronics. (Could be designed and manufactured by anybody
who
>can read.)
>>-Stable tape transport. This cannot be done by anybody because of know.how
>and patents.
>
>- Defenitely THE BEST HEADS ever made period
>- Made with love for the deck and sound
>
>Misha
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Nov 14 05:32:13 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:02:13 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Manual
Message-ID: <004701c04df3$dd2a4320$42d60192@vsnl>

Isy
did you get 680zx and what is your opinion on this deck ?
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Manual


>Isy,
>
>This is a great deck and I would also prefer it over an LX-5 which has
>no calibration options except the bias fine tune which isn't serious
>'Nak' calibration!
>And the manual is needed to get all the features working like the RAMM
>option, which puzzled me when I got my 680ZX and didn't have a manual!
>
>Enjoy it Isy! It is one of my favorite Naks!
>
>Wouter
>
>


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From enoyes at snet.net  Wed Nov 15 04:55:55 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:55:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Non subjective appraisal
References: <003001c04df1$f62ee760$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A12094A.5C8D74EC@snet.net>

Interesting to mention the 500 as I just finished tweaking the alignment on one before
sending it out. Even with a bit of head wear, r/p response was ruler flat up to and
beyond 17k after just tweaking the record levels and bias. More impressive was an even
smoother response with the ever basic Maxell UR than XLII tape. It is a real Nak head
and all discrete electronics... adds up to some suprisingly exceptional sound.

Cheers,
Ed

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> I think more than transport - Tandberg made more massive and stable
> transport and Revox another manufacturer had designed transport as good as
> Naks , nobody could make heads of Nak spec. Nak heads are the best and
> coupled with sturdy mechanism made all the sound ( music). In fact their 250
> / 500 machines can sound well may be entirely due to their heads.
> Nak Electronics? I think there are people out their who can give better
> judgment. Nak however placed a bit elaborate circuit to align level and bias
> for each type of tape which is a real treat.
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Non subjective appraisal
>
> >Hi Marcus,
> >
> >>We all share the "fact" that the naks are the best. But...do we have
> >serious arguments why this is so?
> >>
> >>I started a list as follows:
> >>
> >>-Impeccable electronics. (Could be designed and manufactured by anybody
> who
> >can read.)
> >>-Stable tape transport. This cannot be done by anybody because of know.how
> >and patents.
> >
> >- Defenitely THE BEST HEADS ever made period
> >- Made with love for the deck and sound
> >
> >Misha
> >
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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Wed Nov 15 07:02:22 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:02:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping?
References: <3A11635F.5CE5071A@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <3A1226EE.F18DB05C@sunint.co.za>

Wow!  My thoughts exactly.  I checked with our system supervisor.  He denied
everything.  But tired of Naktalk, no ways.  Picking up a hot number this
weekend....never met her.  A '93 Cass. Deck One.  It's all nerves.   Apparently top
shape.  We'll see.

I really took note of Matyas comments re the sound of a Nak 680 vs a LX3.  Given that
it's a 3  head unit vs 2 head, but would that observation hold true for all 3 vs 2 head
Naks or is it in the electronics and mechanism?

MARC

Wouter Heijke wrote:

> What's going on?
> All nakkies are tired of naktalk?
>
> It's too quiet, I almost start to think there is a server problem ;-)
>
> Wouter
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Nov 14 08:09:34 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:39:34 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping?
Message-ID: <001401c04e09$d84beaa0$42d60192@vsnl>

What happened to test tone CD track upload on Nak ftp server as well as
review of Nak decks from old issues of Audio etc?
kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:46 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping?


>What's going on?
>All nakkies are tired of naktalk?
>
>It's too quiet, I almost start to think there is a server problem ;-)
>
>Wouter
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Wed Nov 15 08:03:35 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:03:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plates from Germany
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF3720@MCHH214E>

Wouter,

not tired but thinking of possible server problems so I waited for the first posting to reply upon it . . .

Dragon owners,

as promised I asked German Nak service for availability of Dragon cosmetic parts; here is what it got

Face plate complete:	: about 515,- DM (not sure whether any buttons or other parts are included here . . .)
Cassette Door complete	: about 280,- DM
Cassette Door Basic Lid	: about 237,- DM
Reflector alone		: about 112,- DM
NAAC indicator		: not available 
Power Button		: about 58,- DM
Eject Button		: about 58,- DM (the only part that is on stock)

All parts except of the Eject Button will last about 8 weeks to be delivered.

Well guys, I think that these prices are rather high and too high for me, so I think I refuse buying cosmetical parts for my machine. Perhaps it is possible to "repaint" the face parts in a profeesional painting agency but at the moment I don't find the time to organize that

Regards

	Klaus

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Nov 14 09:49:57 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:19:57 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plates from Germany
Message-ID: <000601c04e17$de3b0c80$42d60192@vsnl>

If I remember right complete door with NAAC indicator et al is about 28 US
dollar from Nak japan ( the quote I got)  and in Germany - around 280 DM
equivalent to around 140 US dollar. Am I right Klaus
Naks Japan is definitely cheap on many items
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:34 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon face plates from Germany


>Wouter,
>
>not tired but thinking of possible server problems so I waited for the
first posting to reply upon it . . .
>
>Dragon owners,
>
>as promised I asked German Nak service for availability of Dragon cosmetic
parts; here is what it got
>
>Face plate complete: : about 515,- DM (not sure whether any buttons or
other parts are included here . . .)
>Cassette Door complete : about 280,- DM
>Cassette Door Basic Lid : about 237,- DM
>Reflector alone : about 112,- DM
>NAAC indicator : not available
>Power Button : about 58,- DM
>Eject Button : about 58,- DM (the only part that is on stock)
>
>All parts except of the Eject Button will last about 8 weeks to be
delivered.
>
>Well guys, I think that these prices are rather high and too high for me,
so I think I refuse buying cosmetical parts for my machine. Perhaps it is
possible to "repaint" the face parts in a profeesional painting agency but
at the moment I don't find the time to organize that
>
>Regards
>
> Klaus
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From strat666 at nettaxi.com  Wed Nov 15 10:50:20 2000
From: strat666 at nettaxi.com (strat666 at nettaxi.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:50:20 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Test tone CD [was:Sleeping?]
Message-ID: <200011150950.BAA20247@mail13.bigmailbox.com>

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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Nov 15 15:50:39 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:50:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping?
References: <3A11635F.5CE5071A@xs4all.nl> <3A1226EE.F18DB05C@sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <3A12A2BF.AB1305CC@concentric.net>

Marc Hugo wrote:
> 
> [......]
> 
> I really took note of Matyas comments re the sound of
> a Nak 680 vs a LX3.  Given that it's a 3  head unit vs
> 2 head, but would that observation hold true for all
> 3 vs 2 head Naks or is it in the electronics and mechanism?

IMO, 3 head decks are always better, because they allow
the designer to optimize each head design for its specific
function.

On a related subject: Matyas comments on op-amp upgrades
were right on the money, but he neglected to mention an
important point. Many (most?) op-amps have rather severe
crossover distortion that remains even after the hefty
negative feedback amounts usually applied. This is not
an important characteristic for most op-amp applications
and is rarely even mentioned in the specs. Op-amps designed
specifically for audio applications will not have this
distortion and will sound far smoother. IIRC, an National
application note dealt with this and showed how a pull-up
resistor (op-amp output to positive supply) dramatically
reduced crossover distortion and improved the sound of
popular opamps (741, 448, etc.)

Also, Matyas is quite right about the rough sound caused by
op-amps that have low slew rate. When the op-amp output
can't keep up with its input (SR too low), it gives rise
to 'transient intermodulation distortion' (TIM). The effect
is often described as 'rough', 'grainy' or 'electronic'
sound. It cannot be corrected by more feedback -- as a
matter of fact, it is caused by feedback.

-- Ron
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Wed Nov 15 16:25:14 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:25:14 +0100
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Dragon face plates from Germany
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF3725@MCHH214E>

Kannan,

unfortunately I don't know the prices of Nak in Japan (did you post them and have thrown the mail away?) but sure you're right that the prices in Germany are very high indeed. Are there any chances to get the parts out of Japan without drowning in shipping and customs costs?

	Klaus

> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Kannan. S [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in]
> Gesendet am:	Dienstag, 14. November 2000 09:50
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] Dragon face plates from Germany
> 
> If I remember right complete door with NAAC indicator et al is about 28 US
> dollar from Nak japan ( the quote I got)  and in Germany - around 280 DM
> equivalent to around 140 US dollar. Am I right Klaus
> Naks Japan is definitely cheap on many items
> Kannan
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From nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 15 18:49:17 2000
From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:49:17 CET
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 motor
Message-ID: <LAW-F175kNyYcKUHbY600000f19@hotmail.com>

Hello Ron, I have got a search in our Sony semiconductors handbooks for the
Sony's part number for M51721L and unfortunately, it dont figure in the Sony
books.
The IC 102 type of the CR-7 motor pcb isnt specified in the manual so, I can
actually not help you for this one.

The closest type present in 1985, '91, '93, '95 handbooks is the M51725L and
is a 8 pin IC... btw, unmatched.
(part: 8-759-602-65).

I dont find too, any data sheet for M51721L ... sorry.
Good luck ...

Regards,
Matyas

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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Nov 15 21:34:07 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:34:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 motor
References: <LAW-F175kNyYcKUHbY600000f19@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A12F33F.E97F0A2F@concentric.net>

Matyas wrote:
> 
> Hello Ron, I have got a search in our Sony semiconductors handbooks for the
> Sony's part number for M51721L and unfortunately, it dont figure in the Sony
> books.
> The IC 102 type of the CR-7 motor pcb isnt specified in the manual so, I can
> actually not help you for this one.
> 
> The closest type present in 1985, '91, '93, '95 handbooks is the M51725L and
> is a 8 pin IC... btw, unmatched.
> (part: 8-759-602-65).
> 
> I dont find too, any data sheet for M51721L ... sorry.
> Good luck ...
> 
> Regards,
> Matyas

Thank you, Matyas. The unspecified IC102 in the CR-7 is
M51720P, made by Mitsubishi. You may wish to jot it down
in your service manual for future reference.

I am expecting a broken motor board (with, hopefully, good
ICs) and will see if the IC is the problem. I have checked
just about everything else, but these things can be elusive
(for example, a single shorted turn in the motor can cause
similar behaviour, but will measure OK).

Another solution is a new PCB for about $100, or a complete
new motor, for about $145 (the latter is tempting, since
it gets me new capstans and bearings for this 15 year old
deck). This is what I'll do if I cannot get it up to spec
with a new IC.

-- Ron
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 15 19:58:59 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:58:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Test tone CD
References: <200011150950.BAA20247@mail13.bigmailbox.com>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE253pwjuMkWdyA00000005@hotmail.com>

Hello tweakers !

I can upload in Naks ftp some tracks of  a professional test CD.

The tunes (frequencies) are digitaly generated .

A very intressting one is a sliding freq. from 20 Hz to 20 000 Hz, which
start for lvl reference with 1 kHz @ 0 dB fs. usefull for band width drawing
as to check quickly your deck performance at any rec level.

Unfortunately, I only have shity Windows Media software to do this task,
does it will do ?
Any suggestion ?

The sliding band copied file is 1379 Ko alone ...

Ye not sleeping Matyas
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 15 21:38:08 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:38:08 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping?
References: <3A11635F.5CE5071A@xs4all.nl> <3A1226EE.F18DB05C@sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE29BBsQwY6YHki00000007@hotmail.com>


Marc wrote:
> I really took note of Matyas comments re the sound of a Nak 680 vs a LX3.
Given that
> it's a 3  head unit vs 2 head, but would that observation hold true for
all 3 vs 2 head
> Naks or is it in the electronics and mechanism?
>
> MARC

I see the 2 heads decks as the most reliable ones on a essential point :
AZIMUTH accuracy.

It is their best argument.

How did Naktalkers see it ?

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 15 22:02:31 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:02:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping? II
References: <3A11635F.5CE5071A@xs4all.nl> <3A1226EE.F18DB05C@sunint.co.za> <3A12A2BF.AB1305CC@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE49yrSKEzlmEkM00000005@hotmail.com>


> Also, Matyas is quite right about the rough sound caused by
> op-amps that have low slew rate. When the op-amp output
> can't keep up with its input (SR too low), it gives rise
> to 'transient intermodulation distortion' (TIM). The effect
> is often described as 'rough', 'grainy' or 'electronic'
> sound. It cannot be corrected by more feedback -- as a
> matter of fact, it is caused by feedback.
>
> -- Ron

Thank you Ron, I want to add an interesting fact,

I have the chance to know the 1000ZXL sound and to own a part of its
shematics.
An amazing fact is that the only op-amp you find in the usable audio path is
the... 4558 !!!
in exeption of its 'high performance' 4559 brother in PB amp ( two time
faster : 2 V/us ).

Well, what is interessting ?
Never you will find this sound electronic at all.
The op-amp of the 582 are the same as 1000ZXL and like 680ZX.....
Perhaps 582 is a bit 'grainy' but I think it is why I like it for ...
680ZX is transparent. the 582 'grain' is not here and knowing that they are
quite identical, the slight circuit differences present more effect on
'grain' than than
their 1V / us fast 4558.

Op-amp did not explain everything in a deck sound...

Matyas



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From marcushemma at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 16 01:23:11 2000
From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:23:11 +0100
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Non subjective appraisal
Message-ID: <OE34Dd3OJXsNQptgFrY00000048@hotmail.com>

Thanks all for sharing the arguments.
Summary:
1.State of the art heads
2.Impeccable electronics and alignment possibilities
3.Stable transport
4.Designed for music

Marcus.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Non subjective appraisal


> Interesting to mention the 500 as I just finished tweaking the alignment on one before
> sending it out. Even with a bit of head wear, r/p response was ruler flat up to and
> beyond 17k after just tweaking the record levels and bias. More impressive was an even
> smoother response with the ever basic Maxell UR than XLII tape. It is a real Nak head
> and all discrete electronics... adds up to some suprisingly exceptional sound.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ed
> 
> "Kannan. S" wrote:
> 
> > I think more than transport - Tandberg made more massive and stable
> > transport and Revox another manufacturer had designed transport as good as
> > Naks , nobody could make heads of Nak spec. Nak heads are the best and
> > coupled with sturdy mechanism made all the sound ( music). In fact their 250
> > / 500 machines can sound well may be entirely due to their heads.
> > Nak Electronics? I think there are people out their who can give better
> > judgment. Nak however placed a bit elaborate circuit to align level and bias
> > for each type of tape which is a real treat.
> > Kannan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Non subjective appraisal
> >
> > >Hi Marcus,
> > >
> > >>We all share the "fact" that the naks are the best. But...do we have
> > >serious arguments why this is so?
> > >>
> > >>I started a list as follows:
> > >>
> > >>-Impeccable electronics. (Could be designed and manufactured by anybody
> > who
> > >can read.)
> > >>-Stable tape transport. This cannot be done by anybody because of know.how
> > >and patents.
> > >
> > >- Defenitely THE BEST HEADS ever made period
> > >- Made with love for the deck and sound
> > >
> > >Misha
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Nov 15 05:59:17 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:29:17 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping? II
Message-ID: <004601c04ec0$fba425a0$42d60192@vsnl>

I see that 1000ZXL has  (an expansive) matched high quality Dual fet input -
play back amp- to take care of Head impedence and low output of head (then
this 4558 comes in to take care of equalisation part) unlike single FET in
Dragon / CR7/ BX 300. Replacing this 4558 is definitely a worth while
tweaking with lower distortion Audio quality opamps with higher slew rate -
like OP275 or Analog devices / Burrbrown devices - there are plenty of
devices.
It is recommended(Linsley Hood article on cassette deck design and opamp vs
discrete design in wireless world) that higher signal level can be handled
nicely by Opamps  but lower signal Moving coil pick ups in Phono or Playback
heads/ microphones can largely benefit from small signal discrete devices
based amplifiers to raise microvolt signal to higher levels with low noise
specific transistors and simpler design as Opamps are not entirely designed
for audio tasks.
 Since Opamps price has fallen and Analog Devices and Burr brown started
making specific Opamps for Audio applications - it is worth while replacing
this 4558.
We do not know the impedence and current levels in Nak heads accurately to
design playback amps I believe Nak designers must have done their home work
as Playback head itself produce noise and the amplifiers should be better
than that. However replacing these opamps can be very easy tweaking but I am
not qualified to make any judgements as signal levels are still low and I
have not yet done that to compare. Matyas can try and give us some feedback.
Infact Ron had done something like this for his CR7 - I remember his posting
on CR7 record equalisation mod postings or earlier.
I feel Stephen or Jeff are people who can tell us more on change of opamps
and effect of this on performance (measured and heard)
This 1000ZXL sound is due to costly dual matched fet input stage or just the
head itself?
Kannan



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From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sleeping? II


>
>> Also, Matyas is quite right about the rough sound caused by
>> op-amps that have low slew rate. When the op-amp output
>> can't keep up with its input (SR too low), it gives rise
>> to 'transient intermodulation distortion' (TIM). The effect
>> is often described as 'rough', 'grainy' or 'electronic'
>> sound. It cannot be corrected by more feedback -- as a
>> matter of fact, it is caused by feedback.
>>
>> -- Ron
>
>Thank you Ron, I want to add an interesting fact,
>
>I have the chance to know the 1000ZXL sound and to own a part of its
>shematics.
>An amazing fact is that the only op-amp you find in the usable audio path
is
>the... 4558 !!!
>in exeption of its 'high performance' 4559 brother in PB amp ( two time
>faster : 2 V/us ).
>
>Well, what is interessting ?
>Never you will find this sound electronic at all.
>The op-amp of the 582 are the same as 1000ZXL and like 680ZX.....
>Perhaps 582 is a bit 'grainy' but I think it is why I like it for ...
>680ZX is transparent. the 582 'grain' is not here and knowing that they are
>quite identical, the slight circuit differences present more effect on
>'grain' than than
>their 1V / us fast 4558.
>
>Op-amp did not explain everything in a deck sound...
>
>Matyas
>
>
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Nov 16 08:32:30 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:32:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping? II
References: <004601c04ec0$fba425a0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <00f701c04f9f$6100a340$7293bccf@sank1>

I must say that I am always in favor of replacing "mundane" op amp IC's with
those designed specifically for audio.  It is virtually never a bad thing.
My favorite is the OP275(Analog Devices or Precision Monolithics) for 4558
types.  However, I think op amp upgrading is a far more subtle effect than
replacing, or at least bypassing, all the electrolytic caps(which are
horrible things for audio) in the signal path & power supply with the "best
that will physically fit" polypropylene & polystyrene film caps.  Due to
space restraints, most often the best you can do is use the best
electrolytic you can(Black Gate is my fav) bypassed(parallelled) with a pf
value styrene cap.  Then, I move on the the signal wiring, then supply
rectification, then chassis damping, then op amp upgrades, in order of
degree of perceivable improvement.  Costs two arms and a leg just in parts
to really do a top Nak to the maximum potential.
But the reality is, if a small change produces a worthwile improvement,
there ain't nothin wrong with doing it.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
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Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sleeping? II


> I see that 1000ZXL has  (an expansive) matched high quality Dual fet
input -
> play back amp- to take care of Head impedence and low output of head (then
> this 4558 comes in to take care of equalisation part) unlike single FET in
> Dragon / CR7/ BX 300. Replacing this 4558 is definitely a worth while
> tweaking with lower distortion Audio quality opamps with higher slew
rate -
> like OP275 or Analog devices / Burrbrown devices - there are plenty of
> devices.
> It is recommended(Linsley Hood article on cassette deck design and opamp
vs
> discrete design in wireless world) that higher signal level can be handled
> nicely by Opamps  but lower signal Moving coil pick ups in Phono or
Playback
> heads/ microphones can largely benefit from small signal discrete devices
> based amplifiers to raise microvolt signal to higher levels with low noise
> specific transistors and simpler design as Opamps are not entirely
designed
> for audio tasks.
>  Since Opamps price has fallen and Analog Devices and Burr brown started
> making specific Opamps for Audio applications - it is worth while
replacing
> this 4558.
> We do not know the impedence and current levels in Nak heads accurately to
> design playback amps I believe Nak designers must have done their home
work
> as Playback head itself produce noise and the amplifiers should be better
> than that. However replacing these opamps can be very easy tweaking but I
am
> not qualified to make any judgements as signal levels are still low and I
> have not yet done that to compare. Matyas can try and give us some
feedback.
> Infact Ron had done something like this for his CR7 - I remember his
posting
> on CR7 record equalisation mod postings or earlier.
> I feel Stephen or Jeff are people who can tell us more on change of opamps
> and effect of this on performance (measured and heard)
> This 1000ZXL sound is due to costly dual matched fet input stage or just
the
> head itself?
> Kannan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sleeping? II
>
>
> >
> >> Also, Matyas is quite right about the rough sound caused by
> >> op-amps that have low slew rate. When the op-amp output
> >> can't keep up with its input (SR too low), it gives rise
> >> to 'transient intermodulation distortion' (TIM). The effect
> >> is often described as 'rough', 'grainy' or 'electronic'
> >> sound. It cannot be corrected by more feedback -- as a
> >> matter of fact, it is caused by feedback.
> >>
> >> -- Ron
> >
> >Thank you Ron, I want to add an interesting fact,
> >
> >I have the chance to know the 1000ZXL sound and to own a part of its
> >shematics.
> >An amazing fact is that the only op-amp you find in the usable audio path
> is
> >the... 4558 !!!
> >in exeption of its 'high performance' 4559 brother in PB amp ( two time
> >faster : 2 V/us ).
> >
> >Well, what is interessting ?
> >Never you will find this sound electronic at all.
> >The op-amp of the 582 are the same as 1000ZXL and like 680ZX.....
> >Perhaps 582 is a bit 'grainy' but I think it is why I like it for ...
> >680ZX is transparent. the 582 'grain' is not here and knowing that they
are
> >quite identical, the slight circuit differences present more effect on
> >'grain' than than
> >their 1V / us fast 4558.
> >
> >Op-amp did not explain everything in a deck sound...
> >
> >Matyas
> >
> >
> >
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Thu Nov 16 12:45:00 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:45:00 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Test tone CD
In-Reply-To: <LAW-OE253pwjuMkWdyA00000005@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001116124500.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Matyas!


> I can upload in Naks ftp some tracks of  a professional test CD.
> 
> The tunes (frequencies) are digitaly generated .
> 
> A very intressting one is a sliding freq. from 20 Hz to 20 000 Hz, which
> start for lvl reference with 1 kHz @ 0 dB fs. usefull for band width
> drawing as to check quickly your deck performance at any rec level.

Yes, uploading them would be real nice :-)

> Unfortunately, I only have shity Windows Media software to do this task,
> does it will do ?
> Any suggestion ?

Yes: extract the tracks digitally by using some DAE (Digital Audio Ex
traction) Program. If I remember correctly the feurio burning Program has a
good Extraction as well (www.feurio.de). 

But there were quite a lot more of this extraction programs with more or
less sophisticated error detection and correction since this audio extraction
can get tricky.

These usually will produce *.wav files, that's what you basically want.

If you look for "bzip2" in a search engine, that is a lossless compression
wich achieves a worthwhile compression on audio (about 70% of original size).


Much less recommendable is some program using the soundcard to record from
the CD -- this usually will be via conversion to analog and back again.


But now that you say "digitally generated" -- it should be quite possible to
just generate files like that myself by very little C-Programs. After all I
just have to write out Amplitude values for a sin wave. I can raise the
frequency in small steps or take single Frequencys at 400Hz and 17kHz as
test tones. 

The only thing I don't know right now, how would I make a testtone of 0dB or
-10dB. What would be a signal on CD which uses the full range (i.e all 16 bit
on). Is that 0dB? And everything else -XXdB? Are ther +dB defined on CD as on
Tape? 

On the other Hand this seems not to be very important, since My selection of
two or three CD players I had untli now all had quite different output levels
anyway, so the signal from the same CD would arrive at quite different levels
in the Nak Input amplifier. 


How would I "test" or calibrate a Nak with an outside signal anyway? Plug a
multi-Voltmeter in some checkpoint and adjust record level to match some
specified voltage?

Or to do a Frequency Range test at -10dB adjust source monitor to -10dB (will
that keep constant for 20Hz-20kHz?) and then watch the playback reading on
the LED's?


What test signals would be interesting? 
- slide for Frequency Range (20kHz is max. for CD, more doesn't make any
  sense)

- 400Hz (would differnt levels make sense?)
- something high: 15kHz ? 17kHz? Different Levels?

Anything else? Noise? But well defined noise would be a lot more difficult
then sine-waves.

Would anybody be interested in small C-Programs which would run under Linux
(or a Unix like environment "cygwin" for WinXX) to generate signals? 

That would definitely have no Graphical User Interface, but something like:

makesound -sine -Freq -dB -Outputfile=XXXX

And this would not be wav files since these have a (complicated) header
structure. But there is another little program, "sox", which can convert raw
audio data to any audio format you want.



K.-H.


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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sat Nov 18 02:05:48 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:05:48 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <00d601c01dba$fd7e2880$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A15D5EC.AE09D9D6@com2com.ru>

Guys,

If my memory serves, someone of you was going to scan and download the Service
Manual for Dragon to the Wouter's ftp-site. I would
really appreciate it, if the one, who was going to do this could finally get the
job done, 'cos my valued machinery shows real signs of
misadjustment. Taking into account that Dragon is one of the most complicated
decks ever made, relying on just intuition while "intrusion"
can be way too destructive.

Many thanx in advance

Nick

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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Fri Nov 17 15:38:55 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:38:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

Norman is still working on it.  I think the quality is a problem because of
the
scanner he currently has.....


Cheers,
Raul

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 2:06 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
Importance: High


Guys,

If my memory serves, someone of you was going to scan and download the
Service
Manual for Dragon to the Wouter's ftp-site. I would
really appreciate it, if the one, who was going to do this could finally get
the
job done, 'cos my valued machinery shows real signs of
misadjustment. Taking into account that Dragon is one of the most
complicated
decks ever made, relying on just intuition while "intrusion"
can be way too destructive.

Many thanx in advance

Nick

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 17 02:26:17 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 02:26:17 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
References: <004601c04ec0$fba425a0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE76ag1k39iyP6U0000091e@hotmail.com>

Kannan wrote:

> We do not know the impedence and current levels in Nak heads accurately to
> design playback amps I believe Nak designers must have done their home
work
> as Playback head itself produce noise and the amplifiers should be better
> than that.

I dont think we need to summon our forces to plan out a best design for its
PB amp,
Sometimes I joke with that friend about Niro Nakamichi paying big extras OR
mind conditioning its engineers to bring out the very best of any circuits
as well as himself involved to the bone in his audio quest, chief designer
of the PB amp ...


>However replacing these opamps can be very easy tweaking but I am
> not qualified to make any judgements as signal levels are still low and I
> have not yet done that to compare. Matyas can try and give us some
feedback.

You cannot imagine how much I want to do it, but my friend who own 1000ZXL
is quite hard to convince as he is a bit conservative on Naks... and he is
quite right as the 1000' is so close to perfection...

Hence, before any try, I want to experiment many op.amp and notice for each
of them their sonics. (on my gears, then after select the betters in noise
spec among the best in sound.)
But it will ask me some phone calls there and there -and money- to find
Analog Device / Burr Brown instead my easy available JRC brand ones.
It is just a project...

> This 1000ZXL sound is due to costly dual matched fet input stage or just
the
> head itself?

The 582 and 680ZX uses the same P-8L head it will not surprise me 1000ZXL
have the same.
The quality of this 1000ZXL PB amp is a real Nakamichi legacy.
Anybody seeing that 4559 in this stage will think as you Kannan, the S/N
ratio will be poor...
Nothing about it anyway !!!
The 1000ZXL by ear have the lesser annoying noise upon Dragon(relatively fat
noise in
low freq.) , 582 and 680ZX. with or without NR.

Less annoying for the ears I said, for specs. quoted in manual, it is ever a
66 dB rated for these decks with Dolby B.

Matyas

PS : Kannan, I have yet bought 8 (!) 2SK240BL and a 4559 to build the exact
1000ZXL pb amp. I will soon order LA2730 for dolby.(not the original but
faster and available there.)
Or at least to cut the pre amp output before PB dolby of my deck to use the
built in chips.
-2nd solution : to integrate out amp to the 1000' PB card, (I am urged to
hear it :-))))))))
-3rd I will be forced to design logic switching device for EQ & NR.

It will be a very long work to realize without the trace-layout. (not the
shema)
Did you / anybody own this part of the manual ?
If yes, can you send me it ? DJvu file are fine & so light !

Thank you !

Embrace the sleeping Beauty ...



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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Nov 17 05:30:35 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:00:35 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
Message-ID: <002201c0504f$22429040$42d60192@vsnl>

Matyas
You seem to have lot of energy considering the tasks that you had proposed.
I do not have the manual ( 1000ZXL) as it is my friend' but let me ask him
to send a copy and try for the trace. And I think Nakamichi must have used
select playback heads for the 1000ZXL considering the strict adherence to
specs that they imposed ( including low frequency extension down to 20Hz
within +- 1.5 Db!).  Secondly any nak deck that we may have now is old and I
find many of them have failing caps & transistors ( Orange caps!) and may be
aged resistors, even replacing them with good quality new caps and resistors
would improve performance - is my openion.
And from what Stephen said ( as well as my favourite British designer
Linesley Hood emphasised -) Caps have very remarkable effect on sonics and
their behaviour can not be easily predicted at various frequencies, there
seems a logical effect of this more than any other component.
So when you try playback circuit modification , try first change of caps and
may be newer low noise opamps ( I find 4558's had failed in my Dragon - Try
NE5532 - philips intead and ismilar equivalent for 4559 with more reliable
opamps atleast) before playback circuit modificaton to note the difference.
After experiencing large number of caps failure in my dragon ( which is
relatively less aged than my 582 whose caps are not failing!) I am slowly
replacing caps and bought OP275 to replace playback amps NJM072- still to do
it.
kannan



-----Original Message-----
From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, November 18, 2000 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty


>Kannan wrote:
>
>> We do not know the impedence and current levels in Nak heads accurately
to
>> design playback amps I believe Nak designers must have done their home
>work
>> as Playback head itself produce noise and the amplifiers should be better
>> than that.
>
>I dont think we need to summon our forces to plan out a best design for its
>PB amp,
>Sometimes I joke with that friend about Niro Nakamichi paying big extras OR
>mind conditioning its engineers to bring out the very best of any circuits
>as well as himself involved to the bone in his audio quest, chief designer
>of the PB amp ...
>
>
>>However replacing these opamps can be very easy tweaking but I am
>> not qualified to make any judgements as signal levels are still low and I
>> have not yet done that to compare. Matyas can try and give us some
>feedback.
>
>You cannot imagine how much I want to do it, but my friend who own 1000ZXL
>is quite hard to convince as he is a bit conservative on Naks... and he is
>quite right as the 1000' is so close to perfection...
>
>Hence, before any try, I want to experiment many op.amp and notice for each
>of them their sonics. (on my gears, then after select the betters in noise
>spec among the best in sound.)
>But it will ask me some phone calls there and there -and money- to find
>Analog Device / Burr Brown instead my easy available JRC brand ones.
>It is just a project...
>
>> This 1000ZXL sound is due to costly dual matched fet input stage or just
>the
>> head itself?
>
>The 582 and 680ZX uses the same P-8L head it will not surprise me 1000ZXL
>have the same.
>The quality of this 1000ZXL PB amp is a real Nakamichi legacy.
>Anybody seeing that 4559 in this stage will think as you Kannan, the S/N
>ratio will be poor...
>Nothing about it anyway !!!
>The 1000ZXL by ear have the lesser annoying noise upon Dragon(relatively
fat
>noise in
>low freq.) , 582 and 680ZX. with or without NR.
>
>Less annoying for the ears I said, for specs. quoted in manual, it is ever
a
>66 dB rated for these decks with Dolby B.
>
>Matyas
>
>PS : Kannan, I have yet bought 8 (!) 2SK240BL and a 4559 to build the exact
>1000ZXL pb amp. I will soon order LA2730 for dolby.(not the original but
>faster and available there.)
>Or at least to cut the pre amp output before PB dolby of my deck to use the
>built in chips.
>-2nd solution : to integrate out amp to the 1000' PB card, (I am urged to
>hear it :-))))))))
>-3rd I will be forced to design logic switching device for EQ & NR.
>
>It will be a very long work to realize without the trace-layout. (not the
>shema)
>Did you / anybody own this part of the manual ?
>If yes, can you send me it ? DJvu file are fine & so light !
>
>Thank you !
>
>Embrace the sleeping Beauty ...
>
>
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Nov 18 14:37:36 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:37:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx>

Hello Naktalkers,

It's true that i'am scanning the Dragon manual but i found the quality of
the board layout scans not good enough. In the beginning of next year i buy
a new scanner and make the job done. I want to buy a scanner earlier but
i've seen a Harman Kardon cd player with Burr Brown filters so the scanner
must wait. But i have at the moment half the manual scanned and make pdf's
of these so i can upload the pdf's who are finished but it is without the
board layout's. Is this an idea?

Greetings Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Tellez, Raul <rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual


> Norman is still working on it.  I think the quality is a problem because
of
> the
> scanner he currently has.....
>
>
> Cheers,
> Raul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick [mailto:nikkki at com2com.ru]
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 2:06 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
> Importance: High
>
>
> Guys,
>
> If my memory serves, someone of you was going to scan and download the
> Service
> Manual for Dragon to the Wouter's ftp-site. I would
> really appreciate it, if the one, who was going to do this could finally
get
> the
> job done, 'cos my valued machinery shows real signs of
> misadjustment. Taking into account that Dragon is one of the most
> complicated
> decks ever made, relying on just intuition while "intrusion"
> can be way too destructive.
>
> Many thanx in advance
>
> Nick
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sat Nov 18 19:55:36 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:55:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <001801c05191$24eea020$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Norman,

Please do it!

Thanks,
Misha

> Hello Naktalkers,
>
> It's true that i'am scanning the Dragon manual but i found the quality of
> the board layout scans not good enough. In the beginning of next year i
buy
> a new scanner and make the job done. I want to buy a scanner earlier but
> i've seen a Harman Kardon cd player with Burr Brown filters so the scanner
> must wait. But i have at the moment half the manual scanned and make pdf's
> of these so i can upload the pdf's who are finished but it is without the
> board layout's. Is this an idea?
>
> Greetings Norman

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From mariano at starnet.net.ph  Sat Nov 18 23:52:23 2000
From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 06:52:23 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx> <001801c05191$24eea020$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000501c051b2$38212a20$550ab0cb@mariano>

GO! NORMAN, G0!

You are going to do a great service to humanity.

God Bless us all.

Mariano

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sun Nov 19 01:19:50 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 01:19:50 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx> <001801c05191$24eea020$0100007f@localhost> <000501c051b2$38212a20$550ab0cb@mariano>
Message-ID: <000d01c051be$6f0f8ca0$c08855c3@asuscubx>

Hello Nakkers,

This evening i have upload the four pdf files of the first 30 pages from the
Dragon Manual.
As said : It's not the complete manual but the last pages comes begin next
year.
I'll ask Wouter to place them on the server.

I Hope you enjoy the stuff.

Greetings Norman

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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual


> GO! NORMAN, G0!
>
> You are going to do a great service to humanity.
>
> God Bless us all.
>
> Mariano
>
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Sun Nov 19 01:30:58 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:30:58 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Test tone CD [was:Sleeping?]
Message-ID: <29.ccc8d94.27487942@aol.com>

I'll have to send you a copy as I haven't found an accurate method of 
converting the files into a format that can be emailed.   

-Sam
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sat Nov 18 06:15:42 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (kannan)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:45:42 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx> <001801c05191$24eea020$0100007f@localhost> <000501c051b2$38212a20$550ab0cb@mariano> <000d01c051be$6f0f8ca0$c08855c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <3A16107E.ADB3AEEF@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Thanks Norman
You have done a perfect job with 582 manual and I am sure Dragon manual will be a
treat. I found Dragon's board layout in the manual itself is bad -mine latest from
Japanese Nak. Hope your manual (if it is older and from another source) must be decent
one.
Kannan

Norman van Wijnen wrote:

> Hello Nakkers,
>
> This evening i have upload the four pdf files of the first 30 pages from the
> Dragon Manual.
> As said : It's not the complete manual but the last pages comes begin next
> year.
> I'll ask Wouter to place them on the server.
>
> I Hope you enjoy the stuff.
>
> Greetings Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. <mariano at starnet.net.ph>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
>
> > GO! NORMAN, G0!
> >
> > You are going to do a great service to humanity.
> >
> > God Bless us all.
> >
> > Mariano
> >
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sun Nov 19 14:39:44 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:39:44 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx> <001801c05191$24eea020$0100007f@localhost> <000501c051b2$38212a20$550ab0cb@mariano>
Message-ID: <3A17D81F.979B01FD@com2com.ru>

I totally agree. Thanx Norman and, please, go on.

Nick

"Mariano L. Honrado, Jr." wrote:

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>
> You are going to do a great service to humanity.
>
> God Bless us all.
>
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sun Nov 19 15:01:46 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:01:46 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] New virus discovered
Message-ID: <3A17DD4A.7E19DA2@com2com.ru>

Guys, warning! I feel like you have to know it.

Literally hours ago Norddeutscher Rundfunk (i.e. North German Radio)
reported (thru Microsoft) the discovery of a new homicidal virus called
WOBBLER.

It comes to you via e-mail as "CALIFORNIA" in the Subject-field. Both
IBM and AOL reported the virus being much worse than MELISSA-virus, i.e.
absolutely killing! CALIFORNIA deletes ALL the information from your
hardddisk, destroys Netscape Navigator and MS Explorer.

Do NOT open any messages titled like that!

Please forward this message to ALL people you communicate with or care
of. At the time very few people are aware of its existence! If you'll
get a message titled "Win A Holiday", do NOT open it either - all infos
on your HDD will disappear.

Take a real care

Nick
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sun Nov 19 15:12:37 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:12:37 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx> <001801c05191$24eea020$0100007f@localhost> <000501c051b2$38212a20$550ab0cb@mariano> <000d01c051be$6f0f8ca0$c08855c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <3A17DFD5.8CD0317F@com2com.ru>

Norman,

Sorry, I didn't quite get it - have you already uploaded or are you just going to
upload the PDF's? In short, when do you think the files will be available for download?

Nick

Norman van Wijnen wrote:

> Hello Nakkers,
>
> This evening i have upload the four pdf files of the first 30 pages from the
> Dragon Manual.
> As said : It's not the complete manual but the last pages comes begin next
> year.
> I'll ask Wouter to place them on the server.
>
> I Hope you enjoy the stuff.
>
> Greetings Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. <mariano at starnet.net.ph>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
>
> > GO! NORMAN, G0!
> >
> > You are going to do a great service to humanity.
> >
> > God Bless us all.
> >
> > Mariano
> >
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sun Nov 19 16:48:45 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:48:45 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx> <001801c05191$24eea020$0100007f@localhost> <000501c051b2$38212a20$550ab0cb@mariano> <000d01c051be$6f0f8ca0$c08855c3@asuscubx> <3A17DFD5.8CD0317F@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <001d01c05240$33e4ef80$0b8855c3@asuscubx>

Hello Nick,

I have upload my pdf's to the incoming map of the ftp site where you can't
see them. Wouter takes the files from the incoming to the right place on the
server (public) and then they are downloadable. He will do so begin this
week (tomorrow he said).
There is however one large file from 10 MB and three smaller files so do the
download job from the right place (performance)  i suggest.

Greetings Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Igritski <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual


> Norman,
>
> Sorry, I didn't quite get it - have you already uploaded or are you just
going to
> upload the PDF's? In short, when do you think the files will be available
for download?
>
> Nick
>
> Norman van Wijnen wrote:
>
> > Hello Nakkers,
> >
> > This evening i have upload the four pdf files of the first 30 pages from
the
> > Dragon Manual.
> > As said : It's not the complete manual but the last pages comes begin
next
> > year.
> > I'll ask Wouter to place them on the server.
> >
> > I Hope you enjoy the stuff.
> >
> > Greetings Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. <mariano at starnet.net.ph>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
> >
> > > GO! NORMAN, G0!
> > >
> > > You are going to do a great service to humanity.
> > >
> > > God Bless us all.
> > >
> > > Mariano
> > >
> > >
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From adamyh at netvigator.com  Sun Nov 19 17:43:46 2000
From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:43:46 +0800
Subject: Hoax guys... Re: [naktalk] New virus discovered
References: <3A17DD4A.7E19DA2@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <000d01c05247$e3cbe500$1e7dc6cb@adamhomepc>

Nick,

According to the Symantec Website, the virus you mention is a hoax.
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/california.ibm.hoax.html
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wobbler-hoax.html

Regards,
Adam

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Igritski 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 10:01 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] New virus discovered


  Guys, warning! I feel like you have to know it. 
  Literally hours ago Norddeutscher Rundfunk (i.e. North German Radio) reported (thru Microsoft) the discovery of a new homicidal virus called WOBBLER. 

  It comes to you via e-mail as "CALIFORNIA" in the Subject-field. Both IBM and AOL reported the virus being much worse than MELISSA-virus, i.e. absolutely killing! CALIFORNIA deletes ALL the information from your hardddisk, destroys Netscape Navigator and MS Explorer. 

  Do NOT open any messages titled like that! 

  Please forward this message to ALL people you communicate with or care of. At the time very few people are aware of its existence! If you'll get a message titled "Win A Holiday", do NOT open it either - all infos on your HDD will disappear. 

  Take a real care 

  Nick 

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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Nov 19 18:59:56 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:59:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
References: <002201c0504f$22429040$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A18151C.3EA740AF@concentric.net>

Kannan, Matyas,

I recently took out some parts from a 15 year old
CR-7 and (just out of curiosity) measured them.
The resistors were all within the 5% original
tolerance, and most within 1%. The electrolytics
were also within correct tolerance, with leakage
in the several Megaohm range. The film cap was
at +14% (don't know the original spec), with no
leakage that I could measure (over 40 Megaohm)

My conclusion is that Nakamichi used quality parts
that last a long time -- at least, in the CR-7.

The OP275 is a better op-amp than the NJM082, but
I would be very careful about simply replacing an
NJM082 op-amp with OP275. The NJM082 is a FET input
op-amp with input resistance about 7000 times that
of the OP275. This may be significant, especially
if used in a non-inverting configuration (as is the
output amp in the CR-7. I do not have the Dragon
schematic). Also, one should be careful when using an
OP275 in *any* non-inverting design, because it can
increase distortion. IIRC, the reasons are discussed
in the OP275 data sheet or an application note.

-- Ron


"Kannan. S" wrote:
> 
> Matyas
> You seem to have lot of energy considering the tasks that you had proposed.
> I do not have the manual ( 1000ZXL) as it is my friend' but let me ask him
> to send a copy and try for the trace. And I think Nakamichi must have used
> select playback heads for the 1000ZXL considering the strict adherence to
> specs that they imposed ( including low frequency extension down to 20Hz
> within +- 1.5 Db!).  Secondly any nak deck that we may have now is old and I
> find many of them have failing caps & transistors ( Orange caps!) and may be
> aged resistors, even replacing them with good quality new caps and resistors
> would improve performance - is my openion.
> And from what Stephen said ( as well as my favourite British designer
> Linesley Hood emphasised -) Caps have very remarkable effect on sonics and
> their behaviour can not be easily predicted at various frequencies, there
> seems a logical effect of this more than any other component.
> So when you try playback circuit modification , try first change of caps and
> may be newer low noise opamps ( I find 4558's had failed in my Dragon - Try
> NE5532 - philips intead and ismilar equivalent for 4559 with more reliable
> opamps atleast) before playback circuit modificaton to note the difference.
> After experiencing large number of caps failure in my dragon ( which is
> relatively less aged than my 582 whose caps are not failing!) I am slowly
> replacing caps and bought OP275 to replace playback amps NJM072- still to do
> it.
> kannan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Saturday, November 18, 2000 5:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
> 
> >Kannan wrote:
> >
> >> We do not know the impedence and current levels in Nak heads accurately
> to
> >> design playback amps I believe Nak designers must have done their home
> >work
> >> as Playback head itself produce noise and the amplifiers should be better
> >> than that.
> >
> >I dont think we need to summon our forces to plan out a best design for its
> >PB amp,
> >Sometimes I joke with that friend about Niro Nakamichi paying big extras OR
> >mind conditioning its engineers to bring out the very best of any circuits
> >as well as himself involved to the bone in his audio quest, chief designer
> >of the PB amp ...
> >
> >
> >>However replacing these opamps can be very easy tweaking but I am
> >> not qualified to make any judgements as signal levels are still low and I
> >> have not yet done that to compare. Matyas can try and give us some
> >feedback.
> >
> >You cannot imagine how much I want to do it, but my friend who own 1000ZXL
> >is quite hard to convince as he is a bit conservative on Naks... and he is
> >quite right as the 1000' is so close to perfection...
> >
> >Hence, before any try, I want to experiment many op.amp and notice for each
> >of them their sonics. (on my gears, then after select the betters in noise
> >spec among the best in sound.)
> >But it will ask me some phone calls there and there -and money- to find
> >Analog Device / Burr Brown instead my easy available JRC brand ones.
> >It is just a project...
> >
> >> This 1000ZXL sound is due to costly dual matched fet input stage or just
> >the
> >> head itself?
> >
> >The 582 and 680ZX uses the same P-8L head it will not surprise me 1000ZXL
> >have the same.
> >The quality of this 1000ZXL PB amp is a real Nakamichi legacy.
> >Anybody seeing that 4559 in this stage will think as you Kannan, the S/N
> >ratio will be poor...
> >Nothing about it anyway !!!
> >The 1000ZXL by ear have the lesser annoying noise upon Dragon(relatively
> fat
> >noise in
> >low freq.) , 582 and 680ZX. with or without NR.
> >
> >Less annoying for the ears I said, for specs. quoted in manual, it is ever
> a
> >66 dB rated for these decks with Dolby B.
> >
> >Matyas
> >
> >PS : Kannan, I have yet bought 8 (!) 2SK240BL and a 4559 to build the exact
> >1000ZXL pb amp. I will soon order LA2730 for dolby.(not the original but
> >faster and available there.)
> >Or at least to cut the pre amp output before PB dolby of my deck to use the
> >built in chips.
> >-2nd solution : to integrate out amp to the 1000' PB card, (I am urged to
> >hear it :-))))))))
> >-3rd I will be forced to design logic switching device for EQ & NR.
> >
> >It will be a very long work to realize without the trace-layout. (not the
> >shema)
> >Did you / anybody own this part of the manual ?
> >If yes, can you send me it ? DJvu file are fine & so light !
> >
> >Thank you !
> >
> >Embrace the sleeping Beauty ...
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sun Nov 19 19:05:27 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:05:27 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx> <001801c05191$24eea020$0100007f@localhost> <000501c051b2$38212a20$550ab0cb@mariano> <000d01c051be$6f0f8ca0$c08855c3@asuscubx> <3A17DFD5.8CD0317F@com2com.ru> <001d01c05240$33e4ef80$0b8855c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <3A181667.E76D81E9@com2com.ru>

Thanx Norman. Exactly, I went to the Incoming-folder and found nothing there. I just
didn't know the files there can't be seen.

Nick

Norman van Wijnen wrote:

> Hello Nick,
>
> I have upload my pdf's to the incoming map of the ftp site where you can't
> see them. Wouter takes the files from the incoming to the right place on the
> server (public) and then they are downloadable. He will do so begin this
> week (tomorrow he said).
> There is however one large file from 10 MB and three smaller files so do the
> download job from the right place (performance)  i suggest.
>
> Greetings Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nick Igritski <nikkki at com2com.ru>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
>
> > Norman,
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't quite get it - have you already uploaded or are you just
> going to
> > upload the PDF's? In short, when do you think the files will be available
> for download?
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Nakkers,
> > >
> > > This evening i have upload the four pdf files of the first 30 pages from
> the
> > > Dragon Manual.
> > > As said : It's not the complete manual but the last pages comes begin
> next
> > > year.
> > > I'll ask Wouter to place them on the server.
> > >
> > > I Hope you enjoy the stuff.
> > >
> > > Greetings Norman
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. <mariano at starnet.net.ph>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
> > >
> > > > GO! NORMAN, G0!
> > > >
> > > > You are going to do a great service to humanity.
> > > >
> > > > God Bless us all.
> > > >
> > > > Mariano
> > > >
> > > >
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sun Nov 19 19:08:34 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:08:34 +0300
Subject: Hoax guys... Re: [naktalk] New virus discovered
References: <3A17DD4A.7E19DA2@com2com.ru> <000d01c05247$e3cbe500$1e7dc6cb@adamhomepc>
Message-ID: <3A181722.41EC55F@com2com.ru>

Well, I wish all of us this to be true...

Adam Yousuf wrote:

> Nick, According to the Symantec Website, the virus you mention is a
> hoax.http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/california.ibm.hoax.htmlhttp://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wobbler-hoax.html Regards,Adam
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Nick Igritski
>      To: naktalk at naks.com
>      Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 10:01 PM
>      Subject: [naktalk] New virus discovered
>       Guys, warning! I feel like you have to know it.
>
>      Literally hours ago Norddeutscher Rundfunk (i.e. North
>      German Radio) reported (thru Microsoft) the discovery of a
>      new homicidal virus called WOBBLER.
>
>      It comes to you via e-mail as "CALIFORNIA" in the
>      Subject-field. Both IBM and AOL reported the virus being
>      much worse than MELISSA-virus, i.e. absolutely killing!
>      CALIFORNIA deletes ALL the information from your hardddisk,
>      destroys Netscape Navigator and MS Explorer.
>
>      Do NOT open any messages titled like that!
>
>      Please forward this message to ALL people you communicate
>      with or care of. At the time very few people are aware of
>      its existence! If you'll get a message titled "Win A
>      Holiday", do NOT open it either - all infos on your HDD will
>      disappear.
>
>      Take a real care
>
>      Nick
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Nov 19 20:37:35 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:37:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AA8@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> <000c01c05164$b6dd26a0$a58855c3@asuscubx> <001801c05191$24eea020$0100007f@localhost> <000501c051b2$38212a20$550ab0cb@mariano> <000d01c051be$6f0f8ca0$c08855c3@asuscubx> <3A17DFD5.8CD0317F@com2com.ru> <001d01c05240$33e4ef80$0b8855c3@asuscubx>
Message-ID: <3A182BFF.7406BD7@xs4all.nl>

Norman,

It's online!

    ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/service/english/

Enjoy!

Wouter


Norman van Wijnen wrote:

> Hello Nick,
>
> I have upload my pdf's to the incoming map of the ftp site where you can't
> see them. Wouter takes the files from the incoming to the right place on the
> server (public) and then they are downloadable. He will do so begin this
> week (tomorrow he said).
> There is however one large file from 10 MB and three smaller files so do the
> download job from the right place (performance)  i suggest.
>
> Greetings Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nick Igritski <nikkki at com2com.ru>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
>
> > Norman,
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't quite get it - have you already uploaded or are you just
> going to
> > upload the PDF's? In short, when do you think the files will be available
> for download?
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > Norman van Wijnen wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Nakkers,
> > >
> > > This evening i have upload the four pdf files of the first 30 pages from
> the
> > > Dragon Manual.
> > > As said : It's not the complete manual but the last pages comes begin
> next
> > > year.
> > > I'll ask Wouter to place them on the server.
> > >
> > > I Hope you enjoy the stuff.
> > >
> > > Greetings Norman
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. <mariano at starnet.net.ph>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Service Manual
> > >
> > > > GO! NORMAN, G0!
> > > >
> > > > You are going to do a great service to humanity.
> > > >
> > > > God Bless us all.
> > > >
> > > > Mariano
> > > >
> > > >
> > >

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 19 22:53:22 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:53:22 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
References: <002201c0504f$22429040$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE37iVA482l4HX0000002d5@hotmail.com>

Thank you Kannan for the hands on !

> Matyas
> You seem to have lot of energy considering the tasks that you had
proposed.
> I do not have the manual ( 1000ZXL) as it is my friend' but let me ask him
> to send a copy and try for the trace.

>And I think Nakamichi must have used
> select playback heads for the 1000ZXL considering the strict adherence to
> specs that they imposed ( including low frequency extension down to 20Hz
> within +- 1.5 Db!).

Have a look to my message '' Hideo Goto about 1000ZXL''

 > Secondly any nak deck that we may have now is old ¨[...]

I have the chance to have two 582, one of them have perhaps ~300 hours, it
was a demo deck in a shop and for years never were used ! I bought it 75$.
It is this one that will be honoured by the 1000PB

Matyas



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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 19 22:53:04 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:53:04 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Goto about the 1000ZXL- In the bode plotter!!!
References: <3A012119.54A8B33A@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE64fCHJr1Wtyi600000213@hotmail.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke"

> Hi All,
>
> I asked Hideo Goto about the 1000ZXL LTD when there were heavy
> discussions going on on naktalk.
> I asked him how many were actually made and this is his answer:
>
> > Anyway, I reply regarding your last question.
> > 1000ZXL-limited, it was not big changes from 1000ZXL for the actual
sound quality.
> > However the playback head was selected out!
> > The official spec was not changed because a filter circuit has cut the
high frequency.
> > PB head  can play back up to 40, 50kHz!
> > That is an advantage.
> > And the total number of model is not clear.
> > We guess it was around 100 units.
> > I  am sorry for the response that was so late.
> >
> > Tha's for now.
> > Regards,
> >
> > [Goto]

                     ____________________________
> So what is he saying about the 'filter circuit' and the PB head going to
> 40, 50kHz!!!???
>
> Wouter
                     ____________________________

Wouter, as I own the 1000ZXL shematics and since 3 days Electronics
Workbench (an electronic circuit simulation software) I move on to
determinate with its bode plotter the frequency response of the filter Hideo
Goto was talking you about.

You actually knows that filer is destinated to bias trap.
During factory adjustments procedure, a step consist to adjust a coil in PB
amp to cut off the bias frequency (that playback head read by induction
during recording) which can get the Dolby NR, prosessors, op-amp, to
oscillate in the HF range.
As result to the worse case, inacuracy of these parts.
In the 1000ZXL case, the ABLE system inacuracy...

In modest (all) other Naks decks, the simplified circuitry of bias trap
allows you 2 functions with that single coil:

1. To cut off 105 kHz to the max the Bias Trap can do (-50 dB) (calculated
by bode plotter)
2. To boost the level of high frequencies during playback.

Both of these posibilities are incompatible together in the simplified bias
trap Nakamichi gaves to the whole park of Decks he created (exepting
1000ZXL. -700ZXL?- )

When your coil is adjusted to kill the bias, it is possible according to
head wear that the said head isnt able to read with acceptable level the
high freq.

The solution everyone has is to adjust that coil to get better level in
highs in PB, or to replace the head.... and then adjusted to boost HF, bias
leakage increase ...

I discovered the 1000ZXL amazing filter as uncompromised.
Surprised ? ;-)

There is the caracteristics I note:

for a max boost of highs you get; +7 dB @ 26.4 kHz (+3.8 dB @ 20kHz)
 = -54.8 dB bias killing @ 105 kHz .
for max bias killing ; we get -73.2dB (!!!) @ 105 kHz = with a maximum highs
freq. boost of  +4.68 dB @ 34.8 kHz. (+1 dB @ 20kHz)

we can get 102 dB max of bias trap, but in this case the filter have an
audio freq. flat response.

Whatever you choose to do, the bias frequency tuning point do not drift at
all(Thing that appears in simplified bias trap !!!) and in the worse case it
insure 5 dB better bias traping than a simpler trap perfectly tuned.

In the other hand, simplified bias trap have the advantage to offer you a
louder boost action +4.5 dB @ 20kHz in fact, 0.68 dB more than the 1000ZXL
for 20kHz.
For phase shift, the more reliable is the simpler bias trap. 0° from 0 Hz to
2.6kHz then 14° @ 20kHz.
1000ZXL trap moves from 27° @ 10 Hz to 41° @ 20kHz. Naks engineers have
succeed to control 400 Hz regio as the unshifted one !!!

For Goto comment on 40, 50 kHz head, the only thing I can only tell you is
the freq. response of the 1000ZXL filter
is in a +-3 dB normalized bandwidth, (exepting the boost regio) of :
11.3 Hz  to  49 kHz -3 dB in the case of maximum bias killing.
11.3 Hz  to  35 kHz -3 dB in the case of maximum high freq. boost .

Was it too long? Hope no so borring ...
Good night, I am tired , Matyas
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sun Nov 19 05:29:43 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (kannan)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:59:43 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
References: <002201c0504f$22429040$42d60192@vsnl> <3A18151C.3EA740AF@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <3A175737.13B7FA1F@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>

Thanks Ron
My experience with my Dragon ( called version 1 and latest Schematics shows version 2
with Dolby circuit change with Sony chip instead of ver 1' Philips chip) is bad with
atleast 10 Caps mostly Orange film type caps failing in Playback/ azimuth/ 400 Hz
Oscillator/ Dolby . Also one cap which is supposed to be 15 nF is actually 50 nF!
showing that it might be wrong value from the beginning ! I would not be surprised to
see more of this in this deck on other areas. 4558 opamps in the Digital servo drive
failed. Basing on these experiences I posted this as some one out there can check up
this area - particularly Orange film caps before attempting any other check during
malfunction of circuits. All these film caps show actual values ( within tolerance) but
changing the caps brought the circuit back to life as we can not check all the
parameters with the limited equipment. Even your measurement of impedence may not show
how they behave with circuit DC/ AC conditions. I am not telling that all the nak decks
are of this nature but from CR7 mod info from Nak shows that Nakamichi guys are not
above board.

Thanks for reminding about replacement of opamps - better understand the application
and suitability before change and there are anyway better Fet input opamps with low
distortion and noise for experimentation when you want to change FET opamps.
Thanks once again Ron for your input
Kannan
PS:  you find extensive use of 1% or better metal film resistors in 1000ZXL than any
other Nak deck ( Probably 700ZXL?)
Technically even if your carbon film resistors are allright , metal film resistors
replacement on signal area is a worthwhile upgrade is my strong belief.

Ron wrote:

> Kannan, Matyas,
>
> I recently took out some parts from a 15 year old
> CR-7 and (just out of curiosity) measured them.
> The resistors were all within the 5% original
> tolerance, and most within 1%. The electrolytics
> were also within correct tolerance, with leakage
> in the several Megaohm range. The film cap was
> at +14% (don't know the original spec), with no
> leakage that I could measure (over 40 Megaohm)
>
> My conclusion is that Nakamichi used quality parts
> that last a long time -- at least, in the CR-7.
>
> The OP275 is a better op-amp than the NJM082, but
> I would be very careful about simply replacing an
> NJM082 op-amp with OP275. The NJM082 is a FET input
> op-amp with input resistance about 7000 times that
> of the OP275. This may be significant, especially
> if used in a non-inverting configuration (as is the
> output amp in the CR-7. I do not have the Dragon
> schematic). Also, one should be careful when using an
> OP275 in *any* non-inverting design, because it can
> increase distortion. IIRC, the reasons are discussed
> in the OP275 data sheet or an application note.
>
> -- Ron

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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Mon Nov 20 20:25:19 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:25:19 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Sank Contact Numbers
Message-ID: <ee.d4e272e.274ad4a0@aol.com>

Does anyone have the contact number for Stephen Sank? I tried calling the 
number I have from a while back and it is disconnected. Also, the Champlain 
Speaker web page does not load. What's up? Thanks.

Cal John.
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From vinodk at iname.com  Mon Nov 20 20:39:10 2000
From: vinodk at iname.com (vinodk at iname.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:39:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizing Procedure
Message-ID: <001120143910A7.16039@weba7.iname.net>

Hi Nak Talkers,

I have a basic question regarding demagnetizing heads.

1. What are all the steps that should be followed while demagenetizing  a head.
2. Should the tape deck be in ON position or should it be in OFF ?
3. Is it possible that an improper demagnetization can cause the head magnetized?
4. And finally,are there any prefered directions (left to right or right to left) for moving the demagnetizer tool. 

Any help in this regard is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Vinod

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From raah at concentric.net  Mon Nov 20 21:20:14 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:20:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetizing Procedure
References: <001120143910A7.16039@weba7.iname.net>
Message-ID: <3A19877E.87550BAA@concentric.net>

vinodk at iname.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Nak Talkers,
> 
> I have a basic question regarding demagnetizing heads.
> 
> 1. What are all the steps that should be followed while
>    demagenetizing  a head.

1. Switch deck OFF.
2. Switch wand OFF while at safe distance from deck.
3. Slowly bring wand forward towards heads. Slowly
   circle wand tip around heads, guides and all metal
   parts. If wand tip is not protected with soft
   plastic, avoid touching heads and other metal parts.
4. Slowly pull wand away from deck. When at safe
   distance, turn it off.

> 2. Should the tape deck be in ON position or should it be in OFF ?

Absolutely in OFF state, or you risk damage to the
head preamp.

> 3. Is it possible that an improper demagnetization
>    can cause the head magnetized?

Yes. Which is why you want to follow this procedure.
The key is to switch wand on or off ONLY when at a safe
distance (say, more than 2 ft.) away from deck.

> 4. And finally, are there any prefered directions (left to
> right or right to left) for moving the demagnetizer tool.

No. I use slow circular motions. All wand motion should
be slow and smooth (not jerky)

-- Ron

> 
> Any help in this regard is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Vinod
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Nov 20 21:48:44 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:48:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sank Contact Numbers
References: <ee.d4e272e.274ad4a0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014c01c05333$46773970$9f496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer

----- Original Message -----
From: <BJGRADY at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Sank Contact Numbers


> Does anyone have the contact number for Stephen Sank? I tried calling the
> number I have from a while back and it is disconnected. Also, the
Champlain
> Speaker web page does not load. What's up? Thanks.
>
> Cal John.
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 20 22:48:55 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:48:55 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
References: <002201c0504f$22429040$42d60192@vsnl> <3A18151C.3EA740AF@concentric.net> <3A175737.13B7FA1F@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE55pTljBOh8s4K000003e9@hotmail.com>

Kannan, can you explain to me why Nak' have largely used carbon resistors in
first stage of PB amp of their large lines, Money?

Once again a matter of compromise ...

The inductive character of metal film resistor is it worse to low levels
signals than the noise they prevent ?

Matyas




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From ataylor at jabba.reyrey.com  Mon Nov 20 23:03:03 2000
From: ataylor at jabba.reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:03:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Thanks so much for the Dragon Service manual!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <D5620F4EDA07D311A18A0090273CC55B03AF6012@oh15ex02.reyrey.com>

Hi All,
   I like to take time to thank all who are involved in sharing all the wonderful information
on these tape decks that are marvels in engineering excellence. It is great that 
so many have given without asking. We all thankyou very very much!!!

Aaron


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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Tue Nov 21 01:05:33 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:05:33 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net>
Message-ID: <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru>

Problem description:
A double capstan mechanism is supposed to ensure constant tape tension between two
capstans, right? Well, in my case there's NO tension between capstans at all. Quite the
contrary, the tape between capstans sags in an insolent way! It seems that the take-up
capstan revolves slower than the one on the supply side! How did I know this? I used a
special cassette with openings in the case designed for checking the tape travelling.

Prehistory:
Found this deck in a commission shop. It looked pretty good  and clean outwardly. Tried
to play back a tape and got it eaten. Thought the pinch rollers were hardened or
something. Decided to buy it yet in hope to fix the problem easily by replacing the
faulty parts. Brought the thing home and experimented with playback of different tapes.
Only certain tapes were eaten, namely the thinner ones (e.g. Sony). Discovered the tape
speed being much faster than it should be (ca. 5.2 cm/s). Opened the cover and saw the
tape speed resistor in the back of capstan motor being obviously tweaked with. Tried to
adjust the correct tape speed. The thing started eating all tapes without distinction.
Hard times had begun.

Measures taken:

   * Cleaned every part of the transport.
   * Lubricated all relevant parts.
   * Replaced the capstan belt.
   * Replaced the pinch rollers.
   * Removed the heads leaving no obstacle in the tape path and "played" with the
     height of pinch rollers.
   * "Played" with pressure of pinch rollers to the tape.
   * "Played" with the brake of the supply-pulley.

Observations:
The tape between two capstans gets strained ONLY if

   * one of the pinch rollers (doesn't matter which one) is disabled (being deflected
     by, say, finger)
   * the 'supply' flywheel thrust is considerably increased by serious tightening of
     the respective screw (which is obviously followed by an excessive capstan motor
     load and, respectively, untimely wear)

Otherwise the piece of tape between capstans is totally flabby and on the take-up side
it aims to slip out from under the pinch roller, get twisted and finally eaten.

Outcome:
Over 5 days racked my brains over the problem with no effect. The problem persists.

Does anyone of the Nak-gurus have any clue of what's going on?

Thanx

Nick
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Tue Nov 21 01:15:03 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:15:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <01d301c05350$18b46ae0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Igritski" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:05 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem


> Problem description:
> A double capstan mechanism is supposed to ensure constant tape
tension between two
> capstans, right?


Shitty html stuff, please turn it off. Tension is because the left
and righthand capstan has different thickness.
Thicker axe at the right side has the higher speed.


Maurits

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Nov 21 01:37:09 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:37:09 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <001201c05353$30978040$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Nick!


> Problem description:
> A double capstan mechanism is supposed to ensure constant tape tension
between two
> capstans, right? Well, in my case there's NO tension between capstans at
all. Quite the
> contrary, the tape between capstans sags in an insolent way! It seems that
the take-up
> capstan revolves slower than the one on the supply side! How did I know
this? I used a
> special cassette with openings in the case designed for checking the tape
travelling.

There may be simply solution - try to replace capstains left to the right
and vice versa.
(I'm sure that 480Z is belt driven). I'm not sure but you may also replace
capstain bearings
as well.

Good luck!

Misha

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Nov 21 02:08:44 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:08:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <001701c05357$9861f2b0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

What brand and model machine is it?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Igritski 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:05 PM
  Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem


  Problem description: 
  A double capstan mechanism is supposed to ensure constant tape tension between two capstans, right? Well, in my case there's NO tension between capstans at all. Quite the contrary, the tape between capstans sags in an insolent way! It seems that the take-up capstan revolves slower than the one on the supply side! How did I know this? I used a special cassette with openings in the case designed for checking the tape travelling. 
  Prehistory: 
  Found this deck in a commission shop. It looked pretty good  and clean outwardly. Tried to play back a tape and got it eaten. Thought the pinch rollers were hardened or something. Decided to buy it yet in hope to fix the problem easily by replacing the faulty parts. Brought the thing home and experimented with playback of different tapes. Only certain tapes were eaten, namely the thinner ones (e.g. Sony). Discovered the tape speed being much faster than it should be (ca. 5.2 cm/s). Opened the cover and saw the tape speed resistor in the back of capstan motor being obviously tweaked with. Tried to adjust the correct tape speed. The thing started eating all tapes without distinction. Hard times had begun. 

  Measures taken: 

    a.. Cleaned every part of the transport. 
    b.. Lubricated all relevant parts. 
    c.. Replaced the capstan belt. 
    d.. Replaced the pinch rollers. 
    e.. Removed the heads leaving no obstacle in the tape path and "played" with the height of pinch rollers. 
    f.. "Played" with pressure of pinch rollers to the tape. 
    g.. "Played" with the brake of the supply-pulley. 

  Observations: 
  The tape between two capstans gets strained ONLY if 

    a.. one of the pinch rollers (doesn't matter which one) is disabled (being deflected by, say, finger) 
    b.. the 'supply' flywheel thrust is considerably increased by serious tightening of the respective screw (which is obviously followed by an excessive capstan motor load and, respectively, untimely wear) 
  Otherwise the piece of tape between capstans is totally flabby and on the take-up side it aims to slip out from under the pinch roller, get twisted and finally eaten. 
  Outcome: 
  Over 5 days racked my brains over the problem with no effect. The problem persists. 

  Does anyone of the Nak-gurus have any clue of what's going on? 

  Thanx 

  Nick 

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From: mrtightenup at my-deja.com (First Name Last Name)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:26:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #494
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Nov 20 05:21:18 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:51:18 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
Message-ID: <003c01c052a9$54af5020$42d60192@vsnl>

Matyas
If you have a PCB layout software, making up the trace is easy and accurate.
Since the trace is clearer with part placement - I thought this small size
file is better than 300 DPI for email as email server has limited space. If
you use some PCX editing program like Photoshop,  or even paint brush
program will allow you to remove the parts and make the trace blacker. So
directly you can print it.

Secondly I wanted know what is the gain spectrum for these Japanese
specification like GR/ L/ BL etc? Whether BL is better matching also for 2SK
240?

I am not a regular tech but took it as a hobby and own Nak alignment tapes
and this week I will get tilt check gage - total costing over 600 USD! much
more than what I spent for my used Dragon, I have the 1000 ZXL manual ;
quite bulky and the circuit diagrams are compressed and needs a magnifying
glass to look at. I bought this manual for curiosity?

Try metal films which are having actually better quality insulation and
definitely better suited for small signal applications with lower noise and
inductance. Nak had compromised a lot on cheaper decks as well including
Dragon! But 1000 / 700 zxl series was well taken care of including .2 Db
correction at 20Hz to 80 Hz play back response to correct individual head
contour effects - If you read the manual you understand why 1000 ZXL is
performing like a real top the line equipment. Definitely this playback with
your 582 bias trap would make your 582 sound more like a 1000 ZXL.
You can avoid bias trap alltogether in case you are using monitoring tape
position while recording.
Since  i am very busy in office work, I will find little time to use
workbench as I am not going to design anything and thanks for your offer,
However let me try asking Nak japan for 2SK 240 BL quote and also the
inductors as a spare parts and if lucky we can directly get these parts by
the time you finish the trace work. Since Inductors are like capacitors are
available with only 5% tolerance Nak may have used select Inductors - which
is easy if you are buying 1000s of them. You can safely use near values and
any way you have the variable inductor to tune for bias trap!
Kannan




-----Original Message-----
From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty


>Kannan, can you explain to me why Nak' have largely used carbon resistors
in
>first stage of PB amp of their large lines, Money?
>
>Once again a matter of compromise ...
>
>The inductive character of metal film resistor is it worse to low levels
>signals than the noise they prevent ?
>
>Matyas
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Nov 20 05:52:27 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:22:27 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
Message-ID: <005901c052ad$aebb3c60$42d60192@vsnl>

Correction friends!
read
"-------------- incase you are not using monitor tape while recording "
kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
. Definitely this playback with
>your 582 bias trap would make your 582 sound more like a 1000 ZXL.
>You can avoid bias trap alltogether in case you are using monitoring tape
>position while recording.


You can safely use near values and
>any way you have the variable inductor to tune for bias trap!
>Kannan
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 4:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
>
>
>>Kannan, can you explain to me why Nak' have largely used carbon resistors
>in
>>first stage of PB amp of their large lines, Money?
>>
>>Once again a matter of compromise ...
>>
>>The inductive character of metal film resistor is it worse to low levels
>>signals than the noise they prevent ?
>>
>>Matyas
>>
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From bpatter_500 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 21 05:07:15 2000
From: bpatter_500 at yahoo.com (Mike Vanneman)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:07:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #494
Message-ID: <20001121040715.24741.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com>


 

  Im sure this is requested 1,000,000,000 times, but is there a PDF site for downloading owner manual - specifically Dragon and Rx505.. 
thanks
 
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Tue Nov 21 05:33:27 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 05:33:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #494
References: <20001121040715.24741.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601c05374$318addf0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Vanneman" <bpatter_500 at yahoo.com>
> is there a PDF site for downloading owner manual - specifically
Dragon and Rx505..

Start the ftp client and fill-in:  naks.com


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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Wed Nov 22 00:42:29 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:42:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru> <001701c05357$9861f2b0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>
Message-ID: <3A1B0865.4BF9CB8F@com2com.ru>

Nakamichi 480Z, naturally! Couldn't you read it in the Subject-field?

Nick

"John M. Tooley" wrote:

> What brand and model machine is it?
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Nov 21 13:43:53 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:43:53 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #494
In-Reply-To: <20001121040715.24741.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com>
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On 21-Nov-00 Mike Vanneman wrote:
> downloading owner manual - specifically Dragon and Rx505.. 


Hi,


Have a look at: (suitable for WWW-Browser)
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/owners/international/

There is a RX505 user manual in djvu (1 file) or pdf (3 files) version.
For the djvu you would need a viewer from www.djvu.com (the DjVu Plugin, will
work standalone as well or at least the Linux version does).

pdf needs the acrobat reader. (probably www.adobe.com).



The pdf Dragon manual is in:
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/owners/english/


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Nov 21 14:35:27 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:35:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru> <001701c05357$9861f2b0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <3A1B0865.4BF9CB8F@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <004201c053bf$eb7cd6a0$a9496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Yeah! sorry, didn't read subject line.  Smacking myself in the head. :-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem


  Nakamichi 480Z, naturally! Couldn't you read it in the Subject-field? 
  Nick 

  "John M. Tooley" wrote: 

    What brand and model machine is it?
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From bpatter_500 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 21 16:36:47 2000
From: bpatter_500 at yahoo.com (Mike Vanneman)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:36:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #494
Message-ID: <20001121153647.10890.qmail@web3705.mail.yahoo.com>


 
wheres the ftp client? 
Sorry -not too computer literate here 
  Maurits <m.raven at chello.nl> wrote: 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Vanneman" 
> is there a PDF site for downloading owner manual - specifically
Dragon and Rx505..

Start the ftp client and fill-in: naks.com


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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Wed Nov 22 04:25:55 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:25:55 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru> <001701c05357$9861f2b0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <3A1B0865.4BF9CB8F@com2com.ru> <004201c053bf$eb7cd6a0$a9496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>
Message-ID: <3A1B3CC2.B21B373C@com2com.ru>

No problem, John.

"John M. Tooley" wrote:

>  Yeah! sorry, didn't read subject line.  Smacking myself in the head.
> :-)
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From:Nick
>      To: naktalk at naks.com
>      Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:42 PM
>      Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
>       Nakamichi 480Z, naturally! Couldn't you read it in the
>      Subject-field?
>
>      Nick
>
>      "John M. Tooley" wrote:
>
>     > What brand and model machine is it?
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From bpatter_500 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 21 17:25:46 2000
From: bpatter_500 at yahoo.com (Mike Vanneman)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:25:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #494
Message-ID: <20001121162546.5166.qmail@web3701.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Karl 

tx .. tried PDF @ FTP -- dowmloads (5 min) acrobat opens , but nothing inside.. for DJVU plug in ..downloaded that fine..but where to from there ?

 sorry to take up your time

Mike


  Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de> wrote: 

On 21-Nov-00 Mike Vanneman wrote:
> downloading owner manual - specifically Dragon and Rx505.. 


Hi,


Have a look at: (suitable for WWW-Browser)
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/owners/international/

There is a RX505 user manual in djvu (1 file) or pdf (3 files) version.
For the djvu you would need a viewer from www.djvu.com (the DjVu Plugin, will
work standalone as well or at least the Linux version does).

pdf needs the acrobat reader. (probably www.adobe.com).



The pdf Dragon manual is in:
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/owners/english/


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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Nov 21 20:06:20 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:06:20 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Re: pdf-download problem
In-Reply-To: <20001121162546.5166.qmail@web3701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001121200620.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Mike,

sorry this doesn't work out.

On 21-Nov-00 Mike Vanneman wrote:
> tx .. tried PDF @ FTP -- dowmloads (5 min) acrobat opens , but nothing
> inside.. 

I just tried and my acrobat is showing the document. I have no idea whats
going wrong with yours. 

You could  try to use a "real" ftp client instead of a web-browser. 
You WinXX Dos Box comes with one. Open your DOS box and type:
ftp ftp.naks.com
as login (or user): ftp
as password *your* Email at adress
then you can use the good old dos commands like "dir" and "cd" to move around.

e.g.:

cd pub/manuals/owners/international/
dir

and then:
binary 

which tells ftp that it should protect the file content somewhat and that's
whats maybe gone wrong before.

and then:
get Nak_RX505_OwnersManual_1.pdf 

which should start the download. The file is where your Dos-Box current Dir
was before.






> for DJVU plug in ..downloaded that fine..but where to from there ?

Should be a selfextracting archive -- doubleclicking on it does nothing? 

I'm sorry but I can't really tell you what to do in windows, because I've
only a variety of Unix Systems here. But since it was quite painless to
install the plugin with netscape I assumed that it will be equally
simple with the Win version. Maybe Try the FAQ or Questions section on the
www.djvu.com site (I hope they have one)? 

But opening the archive (If it's really not selfextracting get WinZip) and
then looking for a executable to doubleclick or a Readme file to read is what
I would suggest next.


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 21 20:33:03 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:33:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Sleeping beauty
References: <003c01c052a9$54af5020$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE4584wAtLvdApn000001bb@hotmail.com>

Kannan
Unfortunatly my Electronics Workbench have not the PCB trace layout option.
I have Photoshop and I have yet set the 1000zb to be printed with higher
contrast.

>If you read the manual you understand why 1000 ZXL is
> performing like a real top the line equipment.

If ever I could do so ... I just have the xeroxed schematics

> Secondly I wanted know what is the gain spectrum for these Japanese
> specification like GR/ L/ BL etc? Whether BL is better matching also for
2SK
> 240?

GR BL V  terms are classification for the drain current [Idss]
The 1000ZXL' 2SK240 Fet is 'BL' terminated ant that mean that fet drain
current is about 6 to 12 mA.

I send you the 2SK170 data sheet for every details. (240 is the dual,
matched version of 170).

>However let me try asking Nak japan for 2SK 240 BL quote and also the
> inductors as a spare parts and if lucky we can directly get these parts by
> the time you finish the trace work. Since Inductors are like capacitors
are
> available with only 5% tolerance Nak may have used select Inductors -
which
> is easy if you are buying 1000s of them. You can safely use near values
and
> any way you have the variable inductor to tune for bias trap!
> Kannan

I am not an industial !!! Just a student !!!
;o)

Thank you again !
Matyas

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 21 19:54:15 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:54:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru> <001201c05353$30978040$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE9Ln5U9T3TGJ2T0000015a@hotmail.com>

Misha wrote:
>
> There may be simply solution - try to replace capstains left to the right
> and vice versa.
> (I'm sure that 480Z is belt driven). I'm not sure but you may also replace
> capstain bearings
> as well.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Misha

Misha ! As T & S capstans have differents diameters their respective bearing
have the same for perhaps some micrometres larger... their diameters are:
2.8 mm for take-up and 3 mm for supply.

The thick take up capstan will float in the supply bearing, Nick dont do it
!!!
The big supply capstan will never (not even in dream) enter the little diam.
bearing , You will cause serious injuries to the shaft and bearing polished
work. maybe even face the shaft bending.

Never try out to replace bearing (or unfast / fast their screws !) you are
exposed to their unparallelism risk !

Your problem seems that you dont use the original belt. (for the tape
tension inner capstans)

If the tape isnt going into the cassette, check the take-up torque. (you may
have both problems)
Just an idea, is the idler sliping ?

Matyas

>Otherwise the piece of tape between capstans is totally flabby and on the
take-up side it aims to slip out from under the pinch >roller, get twisted
and finally eaten.



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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Nov 21 23:54:09 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:54:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru> <001701c05357$9861f2b0$b3496acf@johny1uboqh2n1> <3A1B0865.4BF9CB8F@com2com.ru> <004201c053bf$eb7cd6a0$a9496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf> <3A1B3CC2.B21B373C@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <02b901c0540d$f6638840$7393bccf@sank1>

Nick,
    The only thing I can think of, besides an impossibly worn out right
capstan bearing, is grease hardening on either the pinch roller axles, or on
the shaft that the pinch arms pivot on.  Either case could cause the tape to
not be pulled properly by the right capstan.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem


> No problem, John.
>
> "John M. Tooley" wrote:
>
> >  Yeah! sorry, didn't read subject line.  Smacking myself in the head.
> > :-)
> >
> >      ----- Original Message -----
> >      From:Nick
> >      To: naktalk at naks.com
> >      Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:42 PM
> >      Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
> >       Nakamichi 480Z, naturally! Couldn't you read it in the
> >      Subject-field?
> >
> >      Nick
> >
> >      "John M. Tooley" wrote:
> >
> >     > What brand and model machine is it?
> >
>


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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Wed Nov 22 00:09:14 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:09:14 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru> <001201c05353$30978040$0100007f@localhost> <LAW-OE9Ln5U9T3TGJ2T0000015a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <010901c05410$18767440$0100007f@localhost>

> Misha ! As T & S capstans have differents diameters their respective
bearing
> have the same for perhaps some micrometres larger... their diameters are:
> 2.8 mm for take-up and 3 mm for supply.

Matias, as we already know there was someone "tweaking" this deck.
So, if this person did switch capstains he also may use brute force metod
for it :)

> The thick take up capstan will float in the supply bearing, Nick dont do
it
> !!!
> The big supply capstan will never (not even in dream) enter the little
diam.
> bearing , You will cause serious injuries to the shaft and bearing
polished
> work. maybe even face the shaft bending.
> Never try out to replace bearing (or unfast / fast their screws !) you are
> exposed to their unparallelism risk !

I'm not sure but there may be some posibilty that someone disassembled and
that assembled transport in a wrong order. So careful comparision to service
manual will be the answer. I'm not trying to say to switsn capstains anyway!
Only if transport was assembled in a wrong way!
As for the bearings - it's not a raly big deal if you knows exactly what you
are doing :)

> Your problem seems that you dont use the original belt. (for the tape
> tension inner capstans)
>
> If the tape isnt going into the cassette, check the take-up torque. (you
may
> have both problems)
> Just an idea, is the idler sliping ?

Hey, in the original letter Nick described the problem realy well. He were
trying to
play with all possible options and get no luck. The only visible reason (as
I can see
it) is thet someone without service manual disassembled transport for
cleaning
and assembled it back in a wrong way.

Misha

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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Wed Nov 22 01:37:36 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 03:37:36 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem - The solution is found!
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru> <01d301c05350$18b46ae0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678>
Message-ID: <3A1B1550.13F84F3A@com2com.ru>

Maurits wrote:

> > Problem description:
> > A double capstan mechanism is supposed to ensure constant tape
> tension between two
> > capstans, right?
>
> Shitty html stuff, please turn it off. Tension is because the left
> and righthand capstan has different thickness.
> Thicker axe at the right side has the higher speed.
>
> Maurits

If simple underlining and bulleting of text to ease the reading process
is "shitty HTML stuff", as you, Maurits, kindly expressed, then I'm the
Pope. Well, live and learn...
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Secondly, you deeply err if you believe the right capstan has higher
speed (we talk about it's angular velocity, naturally!) just because
it's supposedly thicker. No way! Just take a look into cassette
compartment of any double-capstan Nak (like Dragon or 480 series) and
determine that the "right" capstan has lesser diameter! Almost all
double-capstan Naks (except 700 that's equipped with capstans of equal
diameter [3 mm] , not sure about 1000) feature a thicker (3 mm) capstan
on the left (i.e. on the supply side), and the one slightly thinner (2.5
mm) on the right (i.e. on the take-up side). 480Z is not an exception as
well. So what's the trick?

You are absolutely right saying that linear velocity of a gyrating point
is the lesser, the lesser the radius of the circle it moves along is and
vice versa. But... this comparison becomes true only if we compare
linear velocities of the points revolving at the same angular
velocities! In fact two relatively thin (a couple of millimeters in
diameter) axes driven in motion by considerably larger (tens of
millimeters) flywheels , which in turn are driven by the capstan motor
pulley by means of a common belt do not necessary revolve at the SAME
rotational speed or, in other words, do NOT have the SAME angular
velocity!

We know from kinematics, that linear velocity of a gyrating point equals
its angular velocity multiplied by radius of gyration:

v = w x R.

Let's now take following designations and perform some basic
calculations:

     r - radius of capstan motor pulley
     r1 - radius of capstan on the supply side (left)
     r2 - radius of capstan on the take-up side (right)
     R1 - radius of flywheel driving "left" capstan
     R2 - radius of flywheel driving "right" capstan
     v - linear velocity of a point on the surface of capstan motor
     pulley
     v1 - linear velocity of a point on the surface of "left"
     capstan
     v2 - linear velocity of a point on the surface of "right"
     capstan
     w - angular velocity of capstan motor pulley (w = 2 x px n,
     where n is rotational speed or number of revos, which in turn
     is an important part of any motor characteristic)
     w1 - angular velocity of "left" capstan (and "left" flywheel)
     w2 - angular velocity of "right" capstan (and "right"
     flywheel)

Then for the capstan motor pulley we have

     v = w x r

Further, supposed that the rubber belt does not slip, this is the
velocity the belt runs at, setting in motion both flywheels.
Now for "left" and "right" flywheels we have respectively

     w1 = v / R1 =(2 xpxnx r) / R1
     w2 = v / R2 = (2 xpxnx r) / R2

As both capstan and flywheel it's expanded into revolve on the same
axis, they possess the same angular velocity.
Now, finally, for "left" and "right" capstans we have respectively

     v1 = w1 xr1 =(2 xpxnx r) x (r1 / R1)
     v2 = w2 xr2 =(2 xpxnx r) x (r2 / R2)

To obtain the notorious tape tension between two capstans it is
necessary that v1 < v2 or, otherwise, that v1 = axv2, where a < 1

It's easy to derive that a = (r1 / r2) x (R2 / R1) < 1

Let's assume
a) r1 = r2, R1 = R2. Obviously, no tension between capstans is
generated, as v1 = v2
b) r1 < r2. Tension will be there under condition that (R2 / R1) £ (r2 /
r1). This only means that R2 can be arbitrarily lesser, but cannot be
arbitrarily greater than R1. It's sufficient enough, if R1 = R2.
c) r1 > r2 (the case with Naks!). This immediately means that R2 can
only be lesser than R1. Again, not arbitrarily, but under now strict
condition that (R2 / R1) < (r2 / r1).
d) r1 = r2. Tension will be there if R2 < R1.

In that way I have come to a conclusion that the understanding of tape
tension origin between two capstans is far from simple. Isn't it?
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Literally a couple of hours ago I carried out some measurements, which
only proved the theory! AND I'VE FOUND THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!

1.
700 TT
Left capstan - 3 mm
Right capstan - 3 mm
Left flywheel - 47 mm
Right flywheel - 46.8 mm
Using the formula above a = (3/3) x (46.8/47) = 0.996
Visually, the tape is perfectly strained between two capstans with no
excessive stretching. Any artificially provoked (by finger) tape sags
are being gently pulled up and eliminated.

2.
480Z
Left capstan - 3 mm
Right capstan - 2.5 mm
Left flywheel - 50 mm
Right flywheel - 41.6 mm
Using the formula above a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50) = 1.001!!
No wonder the tape between capstans is flabby! Any artificially provoked
(by finger) tape sags just get worse up to the point the tape gets
rolled off of the guides and finally eaten!
Solution: Took a strap of thin but good insulating tape and neatly
wrapped it around the larger flywheel, thus increasing its diameter up
to 50.2 mm. Now a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50.2) = 0.997!! All problems
disappeared!!!

Well, I hope all this was interesting enough, at least to some of you.

Thanx for your passion

Nick
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Nov 21 05:09:02 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:39:02 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
Message-ID: <003401c05370$c83da6a0$42d60192@vsnl>

First step for Nick would be check the dia of capstan on take up side and
supply side. Take up side should be thicker. refer manual - if that is OK
your problem is not wrong assembly.

Move the capstan manually using the fly wheel and see that there there is no
friction.
Change the capstan belt if you find the current one is salck. Just with bad
belt you will find strange behaviour of tape movement.
As Stephen suggested check hardening grease - on the pinch rollars also . I
just did not bother about it for a long time on my 582. Recently I found a
lot of muck at this location. I found immediate improvement. Careful not to
lose the small circlip!

You can use service manual - 582/ 680 / 480 for reference to capstan wheel
and size.
It is very difficult to remove the bearing - I doubt about mix up of
capstans as the thicker shaft would not fit on the wrong side and the
thinner one will have lot of lateral play! - as Matyas point out.
Try to be careful with these capstan assemblies - observe carefully what all
parts present when you disassemble.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem


>> Misha ! As T & S capstans have differents diameters their respective
>bearing
>> have the same for perhaps some micrometres larger... their diameters are:
>> 2.8 mm for take-up and 3 mm for supply.
>
>Matias, as we already know there was someone "tweaking" this deck.
>So, if this person did switch capstains he also may use brute force metod
>for it :)
>
>> The thick take up capstan will float in the supply bearing, Nick dont do
>it
>> !!!
>> The big supply capstan will never (not even in dream) enter the little
>diam.
>> bearing , You will cause serious injuries to the shaft and bearing
>polished
>> work. maybe even face the shaft bending.
>> Never try out to replace bearing (or unfast / fast their screws !) you
are
>> exposed to their unparallelism risk !
>
>I'm not sure but there may be some posibilty that someone disassembled and
>that assembled transport in a wrong order. So careful comparision to
service
>manual will be the answer. I'm not trying to say to switsn capstains
anyway!
>Only if transport was assembled in a wrong way!
>As for the bearings - it's not a raly big deal if you knows exactly what
you
>are doing :)
>
>> Your problem seems that you dont use the original belt. (for the tape
>> tension inner capstans)
>>
>> If the tape isnt going into the cassette, check the take-up torque. (you
>may
>> have both problems)
>> Just an idea, is the idler sliping ?
>
>Hey, in the original letter Nick described the problem realy well. He were
>trying to
>play with all possible options and get no luck. The only visible reason (as
>I can see
>it) is thet someone without service manual disassembled transport for
>cleaning
>and assembled it back in a wrong way.
>
>Misha
>
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Wed Nov 22 23:51:10 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:51:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <003401c05370$c83da6a0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A1C4DDE.FDBE015C@com2com.ru>

Dear Kannan,

thanx a lot for your support. As usually, you have been very constructive and thinking.
If you could read my latest message, you would definitely see that I have finally
managed to fix the problem by my own strength. If for some reason you couldn't read it,
I would highly recommend you (as well as all other inquisitive people on the Nak-list,
who like to delve into intestines of their valued machinery on their own) to read my
message intently.

I don't know where does the persuasion, that capstans on the take-up side shall be
thicker, come from (maybe just instinctively?), but it's a real mistake. I concede the
existence of decks with the thicker right capstan (can't recall at the moment if I have
ever seen one), but not among Naks. Or am I erring?

Well, I do not pretend to be a tape transport developer (I'm a physicist by education)
though. All that I'm trying to do is to completely comprehend, how does the damn thing
work, to find the answer to all whats and whys.

And in actual fact it all refused to go without saying followed by just intuition! It
turned into a good food for thoughts.

In conclusion I would also like to thank all the people, who sent their suggestions.

Nick

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> First step for Nick would be check the dia of capstan on take up side and
> supply side. Take up side should be thicker. refer manual - if that is OK
> your problem is not wrong assembly.
>
> Move the capstan manually using the fly wheel and see that there there is no
> friction.
> Change the capstan belt if you find the current one is salck. Just with bad
> belt you will find strange behaviour of tape movement.
> As Stephen suggested check hardening grease - on the pinch rollars also . I
> just did not bother about it for a long time on my 582. Recently I found a
> lot of muck at this location. I found immediate improvement. Careful not to
> lose the small circlip!
>
> You can use service manual - 582/ 680 / 480 for reference to capstan wheel
> and size.
> It is very difficult to remove the bearing - I doubt about mix up of
> capstans as the thicker shaft would not fit on the wrong side and the
> thinner one will have lot of lateral play! - as Matyas point out.
> Try to be careful with these capstan assemblies - observe carefully what all
> parts present when you disassemble.
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 5:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
>
> >> Misha ! As T & S capstans have differents diameters their respective
> >bearing
> >> have the same for perhaps some micrometres larger... their diameters are:
> >> 2.8 mm for take-up and 3 mm for supply.
> >
> >Matias, as we already know there was someone "tweaking" this deck.
> >So, if this person did switch capstains he also may use brute force metod
> >for it :)
> >
> >> The thick take up capstan will float in the supply bearing, Nick dont do
> >it
> >> !!!
> >> The big supply capstan will never (not even in dream) enter the little
> >diam.
> >> bearing , You will cause serious injuries to the shaft and bearing
> >polished
> >> work. maybe even face the shaft bending.
> >> Never try out to replace bearing (or unfast / fast their screws !) you
> are
> >> exposed to their unparallelism risk !
> >
> >I'm not sure but there may be some posibilty that someone disassembled and
> >that assembled transport in a wrong order. So careful comparision to
> service
> >manual will be the answer. I'm not trying to say to switsn capstains
> anyway!
> >Only if transport was assembled in a wrong way!
> >As for the bearings - it's not a raly big deal if you knows exactly what
> you
> >are doing :)
> >
> >> Your problem seems that you dont use the original belt. (for the tape
> >> tension inner capstans)
> >>
> >> If the tape isnt going into the cassette, check the take-up torque. (you
> >may
> >> have both problems)
> >> Just an idea, is the idler sliping ?
> >
> >Hey, in the original letter Nick described the problem realy well. He were
> >trying to
> >play with all possible options and get no luck. The only visible reason (as
> >I can see
> >it) is thet someone without service manual disassembled transport for
> >cleaning
> >and assembled it back in a wrong way.
> >
> >Misha
> >
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Wed Nov 22 13:01:20 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:01:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem - The solution is found!
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru> <01d301c05350$18b46ae0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678> <3A1B1550.13F84F3A@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <01ee01c0547b$eef7c620$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Nick!

I'm glad that you solved your problem. Without seeing exaxct unit
is almost impossible to give exact solution but basicaly it's the prob;lem
I was talking about - differencre in linear speed of capstains.
The only question is - how it's happened? Someone tried to tweek 
those deck in a realy strange way.... Some of ours "Lefshas" always
amazed me ;-)

Any way - god luck with your 480Z!

Misha

PS: How things going with 600II?

> 2.
> 480Z
> Left capstan - 3 mm
> Right capstan - 2.5 mm
> Left flywheel - 50 mm
> Right flywheel - 41.6 mm
> Using the formula above a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50) = 1.001!!
> No wonder the tape between capstans is flabby! Any artificially provoked
> (by finger) tape sags just get worse up to the point the tape gets
> rolled off of the guides and finally eaten!
> Solution: Took a strap of thin but good insulating tape and neatly
> wrapped it around the larger flywheel, thus increasing its diameter up
> to 50.2 mm. Now a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50.2) = 0.997!! All problems
> disappeared!!!
> 
> Well, I hope all this was interesting enough, at least to some of you.
> 
> Thanx for your passion
> 
> Nick
> 

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Nov 22 15:36:05 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:06:05 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
Message-ID: <003401c05491$8c268660$42d60192@vsnl>

Thanks Nick
but your other mail got delivered after my reply anyway. Sorry about thicker
on the right side - it odesnot matter excepting linear velocity of tape
travel on the take up side 0.2% more than supply side and using different
dia for flywheel and capstan shaft is to suppress resonance.
What I do not understand from your mail is ( I am assuming that from your
calculation that the existing arrangement - can not be Nak' s original I
hope - defies logic)
where this .2mm gone ? wearing out in use?
OR
 you have stated 41.6 mm dia as the measurement and used 41.7 in calculation
below?
Using 41.6 yields 0.998 ( instead of your 1.0001)  which is what Nak
original design - 0.2% less speed. Is there any deposit on this flywheel?
Can you explain
Kannan
--------------------------------
2.
480Z
Left capstan - 3 mm
Right capstan - 2.5 mm
Left flywheel - 50 mm
Right flywheel - 41.6 mm
Using the formula above a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50) = 1.001!!
No wonder the tape between capstans is flabby! Any artificially provoked (by
finger) tape sags just get worse up to the point the tape gets rolled off of
the guides and finally eaten!
Solution: Took a strap of thin but good insulating tape and neatly wrapped
it around the larger flywheel, thus increasing its diameter up to 50.2 mm.
Now a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50.2) = 0.997!! All problems disappeared!!!

Well, I hope all this was interesting enough, at least to some of you.

Thanx for your passion

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem


>Dear Kannan,
>
>thanx a lot for your support. As usually, you have been very constructive
and thinking.
>If you could read my latest message, you would definitely see that I have
finally
>managed to fix the problem by my own strength. If for some reason you
couldn't read it,
>I would highly recommend you (as well as all other inquisitive people on
the Nak-list,
>who like to delve into intestines of their valued machinery on their own)
to read my
>message intently.
>
>I don't know where does the persuasion, that capstans on the take-up side
shall be
>thicker, come from (maybe just instinctively?), but it's a real mistake. I
concede the
>existence of decks with the thicker right capstan (can't recall at the
moment if I have
>ever seen one), but not among Naks. Or am I erring?
>
>Well, I do not pretend to be a tape transport developer (I'm a physicist by
education)
>though. All that I'm trying to do is to completely comprehend, how does the
damn thing
>work, to find the answer to all whats and whys.
>
>And in actual fact it all refused to go without saying followed by just
intuition! It
>turned into a good food for thoughts.
>
>In conclusion I would also like to thank all the people, who sent their
suggestions.
>
>Nick
>
>"Kannan. S" wrote:
>
>> First step for Nick would be check the dia of capstan on take up side and
>> supply side. Take up side should be thicker. refer manual - if that is OK
>> your problem is not wrong assembly.
>>
>> Move the capstan manually using the fly wheel and see that there there is
no
>> friction.
>> Change the capstan belt if you find the current one is salck. Just with
bad
>> belt you will find strange behaviour of tape movement.
>> As Stephen suggested check hardening grease - on the pinch rollars also .
I
>> just did not bother about it for a long time on my 582. Recently I found
a
>> lot of muck at this location. I found immediate improvement. Careful not
to
>> lose the small circlip!
>>
>> You can use service manual - 582/ 680 / 480 for reference to capstan
wheel
>> and size.
>> It is very difficult to remove the bearing - I doubt about mix up of
>> capstans as the thicker shaft would not fit on the wrong side and the
>> thinner one will have lot of lateral play! - as Matyas point out.
>> Try to be careful with these capstan assemblies - observe carefully what
all
>> parts present when you disassemble.
>> Kannan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 5:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
>>
>> >> Misha ! As T & S capstans have differents diameters their respective
>> >bearing
>> >> have the same for perhaps some micrometres larger... their diameters
are:
>> >> 2.8 mm for take-up and 3 mm for supply.
>> >
>> >Matias, as we already know there was someone "tweaking" this deck.
>> >So, if this person did switch capstains he also may use brute force
metod
>> >for it :)
>> >
>> >> The thick take up capstan will float in the supply bearing, Nick dont
do
>> >it
>> >> !!!
>> >> The big supply capstan will never (not even in dream) enter the little
>> >diam.
>> >> bearing , You will cause serious injuries to the shaft and bearing
>> >polished
>> >> work. maybe even face the shaft bending.
>> >> Never try out to replace bearing (or unfast / fast their screws !) you
>> are
>> >> exposed to their unparallelism risk !
>> >
>> >I'm not sure but there may be some posibilty that someone disassembled
and
>> >that assembled transport in a wrong order. So careful comparision to
>> service
>> >manual will be the answer. I'm not trying to say to switsn capstains
>> anyway!
>> >Only if transport was assembled in a wrong way!
>> >As for the bearings - it's not a raly big deal if you knows exactly what
>> you
>> >are doing :)
>> >
>> >> Your problem seems that you dont use the original belt. (for the tape
>> >> tension inner capstans)
>> >>
>> >> If the tape isnt going into the cassette, check the take-up torque.
(you
>> >may
>> >> have both problems)
>> >> Just an idea, is the idler sliping ?
>> >
>> >Hey, in the original letter Nick described the problem realy well. He
were
>> >trying to
>> >play with all possible options and get no luck. The only visible reason
(as
>> >I can see
>> >it) is thet someone without service manual disassembled transport for
>> >cleaning
>> >and assembled it back in a wrong way.
>> >
>> >Misha
>> >
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Thu Nov 23 04:08:06 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:08:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Worn belts, are they really that worn?
References: <003401c05370$c83da6a0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A1C8A15.E4FC452D@com2com.ru>

In continuation of the subject 'double-capstan tape transport' (see my mail with
detailed explanation of the topic) I would like to ask those curious enough, what is in
your opinion the physical essence of a phenomenon we all refer to as 'worn capstan
belt'? Well, you'll presumably say (depending on your experience) that the belt in a
deck can be considered as worn, if

   * the deck handles your tapes in a strange (bad) way (provided you checked all other
     possible sources of error)
   * the deck was used hard since 19xx, so the belt just can't be okay
   * you took off the cover, visually examined the belt and came to a conclusion that
     it looks like
        o way too polished
        o warped
        o stretched
        o cracked all over
        o something else

That's okay, but where and how does its wear show up (except the case it's so worn that
you can clearly and undoubtedly see it slipping)?

The main consequence of a worn capstan belt (doesn't matter how exactly is it worn) is
that it does not guarantee the congruence of gyrating points on the surfaces of both
flywheels and capstan motor pulley anymore, i.e. it SLIPS, even if it's undetectable by
sight. In practice it means that one of the flywheels (or both) "does not keep up pace"
with the pulley, i.e. revolves a bit slower than it's supposed to. Depending on belt
condition the pattern of this instability can be both constant and occasional in
nature.

Mathematicaly it looks like this:

Capstan motor pulley -

     v = w xr

Left and right flywheels respectively:

     w1 = b x v / R1, where b < 1 is a coefficient, characterizing deceleration of
     the left flywheel caused by belt slipping
     w2 = g x v / R2, where g < 1 is a coefficient, characterizing deceleration of
     the right flywheel caused by belt slipping

Left and right capstans respectively:

     v1 = w1 xr1 = b xv x (r1 / R1)
     v2 = w2 xr2 = g xv x (r2 / R2)

For tension to be there:

     v1 = a1 xv2, where a1 = ax (b / g) < 1, a = (r1 / r2)x (R2 / R1)

When all diameters are okay and the belt is in good shape or new, b = g = 1, and hence
a = a1 < 1 guaranteed.

When all diamenters are okay, but the belt is worn, b and g (both lesser than 1) come
into play. It's obvious, that theoretically the quotient b / g can be both > 1 and < 1.
In practice, however, it's very unlikely that the latter can take place, as in this
case a1 will go still further below 1, resulting in still greater tape tension. For
that reason it would be logically to consider only the case b / g > 1 or b > g, i.e. to
suppose that the right (or take-up) flywheel "suffers from the worn belt" more than the
left, which is quite explainable in my opinion.

The after-effects differ from case to case and depend on many factors, which would be
out of place right here. The only thing one has to keep in mind is: the greater the
belt wear is, the greater is the quotient b / g, hence a1 tends closer and closer to 1
(which results in growing slackening of tension between capstans), whereafter, as we
know, tension disappears at all.
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

A good method to ascertain the condition of your transport is the special cassette (see
attachment), that can easily be made by anybody right at home. It's greatest advantage
over any regular tape travelling tape with just separate cuts (or openings) in the case
is that this tape is much more sensitive to all instabilities in the tape path, as it
is "set in conditions" of an open reel recorder. Just take some care while loading the
cassette, then push play and watch the tape travelling between capstans, over the heads
etc. Don't forget to remove the cassette compartment lid, naturally, and to arm
yourself with flashlight for better vision. Further, take a cotton swab and gently push
on the tape to the right of the rec/playback head making a shallow sag. Watch the
behaviour of tape. If it's pulled back up smoothly (the process shall run quite fast)
by the right capstan and gently strained, there is a good reason to believe you
transport is OK!

Regards

Nick
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Wed Nov 22 17:21:26 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:21:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Worn belts, are they really that worn?
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AD4@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

My father always told that sleeping through 12 years of school was going to
come back and bite me in the ass.
 
Raul

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick [mailto:nikkki at com2com.ru]
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 4:08 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Worn belts, are they really that worn?
Importance: High


In continuation of the subject 'double-capstan tape transport' (see my mail
with detailed explanation of the topic) I would like to ask those curious
enough, what is in your opinion the physical essence of a phenomenon we all
refer to as 'worn capstan belt'? Well, you'll presumably say (depending on
your experience) that the belt in a deck can be considered as worn, if 

*	the deck handles your tapes in a strange (bad) way (provided you
checked all other possible sources of error) 

*	the deck was used hard since 19xx, so the belt just can't be okay 

*	you took off the cover, visually examined the belt and came to a
conclusion that it looks like 


*	way too polished 

*	warped 

*	stretched 

*	cracked all over 

*	something else 

That's okay, but where and how does its wear show up (except the case it's
so worn that you can clearly and undoubtedly see it slipping)? 

The main consequence of a worn capstan belt (doesn't matter how exactly is
it worn) is that it does not guarantee the congruence of gyrating points on
the surfaces of both flywheels and capstan motor pulley anymore, i.e. it
SLIPS, even if it's undetectable by sight. In practice it means that one of
the flywheels (or both) "does not keep up pace" with the pulley, i.e.
revolves a bit slower than it's supposed to. Depending on belt condition the
pattern of this instability can be both constant and occasional in nature. 


Mathematicaly it looks like this: 


Capstan motor pulley - 


v = w xr

Left and right flywheels respectively: 

w1 = b x v / R1, where b < 1 is a coefficient, characterizing deceleration
of the left flywheel caused by belt slipping 
w2 = g x v / R2, where g < 1 is a coefficient, characterizing deceleration
of the right flywheel caused by belt slipping

Left and right capstans respectively: 

v1 = w1 xr1 = b xv x (r1 / R1) 
v2 = w2 xr2 = g xv x (r2 / R2)

For tension to be there: 

v1 = a1 xv2, where a1 = ax (b / g) < 1, a = (r1 / r2)x (R2 / R1)

When all diameters are okay and the belt is in good shape or new, b = g = 1,
and hence a = a1 < 1 guaranteed. 

When all diamenters are okay, but the belt is worn, b and g (both lesser
than 1) come into play. It's obvious, that theoretically the quotient b / g
can be both > 1 and < 1. In practice, however, it's very unlikely that the
latter can take place, as in this case a1 will go still further below 1,
resulting in still greater tape tension. For that reason it would be
logically to consider only the case b / g > 1 or b > g, i.e. to suppose that
the right (or take-up) flywheel "suffers from the worn belt" more than the
left, which is quite explainable in my opinion. 


The after-effects differ from case to case and depend on many factors, which
would be out of place right here. The only thing one has to keep in mind is:
the greater the belt wear is, the greater is the quotient b / g, hence a1
tends closer and closer to 1 (which results in growing slackening of tension
between capstans), whereafter, as we know, tension disappears at all. 


  _____  


A good method to ascertain the condition of your transport is the special
cassette (see attachment), that can easily be made by anybody right at home.
It's greatest advantage over any regular tape travelling tape with just
separate cuts (or openings) in the case is that this tape is much more
sensitive to all instabilities in the tape path, as it is "set in
conditions" of an open reel recorder. Just take some care while loading the
cassette, then push play and watch the tape travelling between capstans,
over the heads etc. Don't forget to remove the cassette compartment lid,
naturally, and to arm yourself with flashlight for better vision. Further,
take a cotton swab and gently push on the tape to the right of the
rec/playback head making a shallow sag. Watch the behaviour of tape. If it's
pulled back up smoothly (the process shall run quite fast) by the right
capstan and gently strained, there is a good reason to believe you transport
is OK! 

Regards 


Nick 

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From bpatter_500 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 17:54:28 2000
From: bpatter_500 at yahoo.com (Mike Vanneman)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:54:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Worn belts, are they really that worn?
Message-ID: <20001122165428.3478.qmail@web3705.mail.yahoo.com>


 would it be safe to say that a golden ear test could detect 

increased wow- flutter as a result of worn belts? 


  Nick <nikkki at com2com.ru> wrote: 
In continuation of the subject 'double-capstan tape transport' (see my mail with detailed explanation of the topic) I would like to ask those curious enough, what is in your opinion the physical essence of a phenomenon we all refer to as 'worn capstan belt'? Well, you'll presumably say (depending on your experience) that the belt in a deck can be considered as worn, if 


   the deck handles your tapes in a strange (bad) way (provided you checked all other possible sources of error) 

   the deck was used hard since 19xx, so the belt just can't be okay 

   you took off the cover, visually examined the belt and came to a conclusion that it looks like 


      way too polished 

      warped 

      stretched 

      cracked all over 

      something else 

That's okay, but where and how does its wear show up (except the case it's so worn that you can clearly and undoubtedly see it slipping)? 

The main consequence of a worn capstan belt (doesn't matter how exactly is it worn) is that it does not guarantee the congruence of gyrating points on the surfaces of both flywheels and capstan motor pulley anymore, i.e. it SLIPS, even if it's undetectable by sight. In practice it means that one of the flywheels (or both) "does not keep up pace" with the pulley, i.e. revolves a bit slower than it's supposed to. Depending on belt condition the pattern of this instability can be both constant and occasional in nature. 

Mathematicaly it looks like this: 

Capstan motor pulley - 
v = w xrLeft and right flywheels respectively: 
w1 = b x v / R1, where b < 1 is a coefficient, characterizing deceleration of the left flywheel caused by belt slipping 
w2 = g x v / R2, where g < 1 is a coefficient, characterizing deceleration of the right flywheel caused by belt slippingLeft and right capstans respectively: 
v1 = w1 xr1 = b xv x (r1 / R1) 
v2 = w2 xr2 = g xv x (r2 / R2)For tension to be there: 
v1 = a1 xv2, where a1 = ax (b / g) < 1, a = (r1 / r2)x (R2 / R1)When all diameters are okay and the belt is in good shape or new, b = g = 1, and hence a = a1 < 1 guaranteed. 

When all diamenters are okay, but the belt is worn, b and g (both lesser than 1) come into play. It's obvious, that theoretically the quotient b / g can be both > 1 and < 1. In practice, however, it's very unlikely that the latter can take place, as in this case a1 will go still further below 1, resulting in still greater tape tension. For that reason it would be logically to consider only the case b / g > 1 or b > g, i.e. to suppose that the right (or take-up) flywheel "suffers from the worn belt" more than the left, which is quite explainable in my opinion. 

The after-effects differ from case to case and depend on many factors, which would be out of place right here. The only thing one has to keep in mind is: the greater the belt wear is, the greater is the quotient b / g, hence a1 tends closer and closer to 1 (which results in growing slackening of tension between capstans), whereafter, as we know, tension disappears at all. 


---------------------------------


A good method to ascertain the condition of your transport is the special cassette (see attachment), that can easily be made by anybody right at home. It's greatest advantage over any regular tape travelling tape with just separate cuts (or openings) in the case is that this tape is much more sensitive to all instabilities in the tape path, as it is "set in conditions" of an open reel recorder. Just take some care while loading the cassette, then push play and watch the tape travelling between capstans, over the heads etc. Don't forget to remove the cassette compartment lid, naturally, and to arm yourself with flashlight for better vision. Further, take a cotton swab and gently push on the tape to the right of the rec/playback head making a shallow sag. Watch the behaviour of tape. If it's pulled back up smoothly (the process shall run quite fast) by the right capstan and gently strained, there is a good reason to believe you transport is OK! 

Regards 

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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Nov 22 19:43:06 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:43:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] More on CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net> <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A099D19.FADB5033@concentric.net> <00e401c049bc$c9c53dc0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A09B816.BAC78707@concentric.net> <LAW-OE67pvqnJNeO92500000835@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A1C13BA.2DD5D27A@concentric.net>


I though I'd report on the resolution of this problem,
just for closure. This could be of interest to CR-7a
(and other models that use the same transport) owners.
As some may recall, the capstan motor of my CR-7a
stopped working -- it wouldn't even start on its own,
unless pushed by hand. The motor consumed too much
current (about 275mA, vs. the expected 55mA).

The circuit is difficult to troubleshoot, because there
is no information on what the ICs do. There is a schematic
in the service manual, but no PCB layout. Most components
are SMD.

I checked all resistors and most capacitors -- all seemed
OK. Coils *seemed* to be OK, but I have no way of checking
for one or two shorted turns. Jeff Galin was good enough to
suggest lifted components and, indeed, one side of one
resistor had lifted off the PCB, complete with a tiny
piece of the copper track. However, this was not the
cause of the problem.

I replaced the ICs and the field coils driver (M51721L)
cleared the problem. The deck now plays OK. However, it
still consumes too much current (about 175mA), which
leads me to suspect that it will eventually fail again.
The problems could be with a coil or slightly worn
bearings.

About a year ago, this deck developed serious wow. At
the time, it didn't cross my mind to blame he capstan
motor. I cleaned the capstans thoroughly and (when that
made no difference) replaced the belt and both pinch
rollers. This cured most of it, but a touch still
remained, especially with older tapes. It now occurs
to me that the motor has been slightly bad for some
time now, but was acting up only when it encountered
increased load of older tapes or slightly dragging
pinch rollers. I am not sure this is the case, but
plan to replace the whole motor soon.

-- Ron
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From eslabs at snet.net  Wed Nov 22 19:53:42 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:53:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] More on CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net> <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A099D19.FADB5033@concentric.net> <00e401c049bc$c9c53dc0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A09B816.BAC78707@concentric.net> <LAW-OE67pvqnJNeO92500000835@hotmail.com> <3A1C13BA.2DD5D27A@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <001001c054b5$8cba3080$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Ron,

Where did you come up with the "55mA".
Is this without the pressure rollers against the capstans?

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:43 PM
Subject: [naktalk] More on CR-7 capstan motor problem



I though I'd report on the resolution of this problem,
just for closure. This could be of interest to CR-7a
(and other models that use the same transport) owners.
As some may recall, the capstan motor of my CR-7a
stopped working -- it wouldn't even start on its own,
unless pushed by hand. The motor consumed too much
current (about 275mA, vs. the expected 55mA).

The circuit is difficult to troubleshoot, because there
is no information on what the ICs do. There is a schematic
in the service manual, but no PCB layout. Most components
are SMD.

I checked all resistors and most capacitors -- all seemed
OK. Coils *seemed* to be OK, but I have no way of checking
for one or two shorted turns. Jeff Galin was good enough to
suggest lifted components and, indeed, one side of one
resistor had lifted off the PCB, complete with a tiny
piece of the copper track. However, this was not the
cause of the problem.

I replaced the ICs and the field coils driver (M51721L)
cleared the problem. The deck now plays OK. However, it
still consumes too much current (about 175mA), which
leads me to suspect that it will eventually fail again.
The problems could be with a coil or slightly worn
bearings.

About a year ago, this deck developed serious wow. At
the time, it didn't cross my mind to blame he capstan
motor. I cleaned the capstans thoroughly and (when that
made no difference) replaced the belt and both pinch
rollers. This cured most of it, but a touch still
remained, especially with older tapes. It now occurs
to me that the motor has been slightly bad for some
time now, but was acting up only when it encountered
increased load of older tapes or slightly dragging
pinch rollers. I am not sure this is the case, but
plan to replace the whole motor soon.

-- Ron
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From murphyslaw at nf.sympatico.ca  Wed Nov 22 20:17:10 2000
From: murphyslaw at nf.sympatico.ca (roger murphy)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:47:10 -0330
Subject: [naktalk] needing auto reverse
Message-ID: <3A1C1BB6.4F4F63AD@nf.sympatico.ca>

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone can suggest any nak models featuring auto
reverse(rack mount would be nice).

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From brianm at grar.com  Wed Nov 22 20:52:43 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:52:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] needing auto reverse
References: <3A1C1BB6.4F4F63AD@nf.sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <005601c054bd$c8716280$40021fac@brianm>

Your best choices are the Dragon or the RX-505.

Brian Miller
Michigan

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sinners, Christ died for us.
----- Original Message -----
From: "roger murphy" <murphyslaw at nf.sympatico.ca>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 2:17 PM
Subject: [naktalk] needing auto reverse


> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone can suggest any nak models featuring auto
> reverse(rack mount would be nice).
>
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From raah at concentric.net  Wed Nov 22 20:55:37 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:55:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] More on CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net> <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A099D19.FADB5033@concentric.net> <00e401c049bc$c9c53dc0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A09B816.BAC78707@concentric.net> <LAW-OE67pvqnJNeO92500000835@hotmail.com> <3A1C13BA.2DD5D27A@concentric.net> <001001c054b5$8cba3080$6401a8c0@eslabs2>
Message-ID: <3A1C24B9.2557A014@concentric.net>


The CR-7 service manual shows voltage across the series
supply resistor (R720, 5.6 ohm) as 0.3V. This implies
roughly 55mA.

-- Ron


Jeffrey Galin wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> 
> Where did you come up with the "55mA".
> Is this without the pressure rollers against the capstans?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:43 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] More on CR-7 capstan motor problem
> 
> I though I'd report on the resolution of this problem,
> just for closure. This could be of interest to CR-7a
> (and other models that use the same transport) owners.
> As some may recall, the capstan motor of my CR-7a
> stopped working -- it wouldn't even start on its own,
> unless pushed by hand. The motor consumed too much
> current (about 275mA, vs. the expected 55mA).
> 
> The circuit is difficult to troubleshoot, because there
> is no information on what the ICs do. There is a schematic
> in the service manual, but no PCB layout. Most components
> are SMD.
> 
> I checked all resistors and most capacitors -- all seemed
> OK. Coils *seemed* to be OK, but I have no way of checking
> for one or two shorted turns. Jeff Galin was good enough to
> suggest lifted components and, indeed, one side of one
> resistor had lifted off the PCB, complete with a tiny
> piece of the copper track. However, this was not the
> cause of the problem.
> 
> I replaced the ICs and the field coils driver (M51721L)
> cleared the problem. The deck now plays OK. However, it
> still consumes too much current (about 175mA), which
> leads me to suspect that it will eventually fail again.
> The problems could be with a coil or slightly worn
> bearings.
> 
> About a year ago, this deck developed serious wow. At
> the time, it didn't cross my mind to blame he capstan
> motor. I cleaned the capstans thoroughly and (when that
> made no difference) replaced the belt and both pinch
> rollers. This cured most of it, but a touch still
> remained, especially with older tapes. It now occurs
> to me that the motor has been slightly bad for some
> time now, but was acting up only when it encountered
> increased load of older tapes or slightly dragging
> pinch rollers. I am not sure this is the case, but
> plan to replace the whole motor soon.
> 
> -- Ron
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From eslabs at snet.net  Wed Nov 22 21:27:01 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:27:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] More on CR-7 capstan motor problem
References: <025e01c0487a$9ca45800$7393bccf@sank1> <3A0963AB.A488B1CD@concentric.net> <006501c04996$716f1040$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A099D19.FADB5033@concentric.net> <00e401c049bc$c9c53dc0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A09B816.BAC78707@concentric.net> <LAW-OE67pvqnJNeO92500000835@hotmail.com> <3A1C13BA.2DD5D27A@concentric.net> <001001c054b5$8cba3080$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <3A1C24B9.2557A014@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <003a01c054c2$980dbe40$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Ron,

I measured a motor in a CR-7A and you are correct!
About 50mA for the motor only in the stop mode.  
This doesn't include the auto-stop LED wired to the motor board.
I assume it has a Nakamichi original belt on it?  
Check the bearings for wear.

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] More on CR-7 capstan motor problem



The CR-7 service manual shows voltage across the series
supply resistor (R720, 5.6 ohm) as 0.3V. This implies
roughly 55mA.

-- Ron


Jeffrey Galin wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> 
> Where did you come up with the "55mA".
> Is this without the pressure rollers against the capstans?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:43 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] More on CR-7 capstan motor problem
> 
> I though I'd report on the resolution of this problem,
> just for closure. This could be of interest to CR-7a
> (and other models that use the same transport) owners.
> As some may recall, the capstan motor of my CR-7a
> stopped working -- it wouldn't even start on its own,
> unless pushed by hand. The motor consumed too much
> current (about 275mA, vs. the expected 55mA).
> 
> The circuit is difficult to troubleshoot, because there
> is no information on what the ICs do. There is a schematic
> in the service manual, but no PCB layout. Most components
> are SMD.
> 
> I checked all resistors and most capacitors -- all seemed
> OK. Coils *seemed* to be OK, but I have no way of checking
> for one or two shorted turns. Jeff Galin was good enough to
> suggest lifted components and, indeed, one side of one
> resistor had lifted off the PCB, complete with a tiny
> piece of the copper track. However, this was not the
> cause of the problem.
> 
> I replaced the ICs and the field coils driver (M51721L)
> cleared the problem. The deck now plays OK. However, it
> still consumes too much current (about 175mA), which
> leads me to suspect that it will eventually fail again.
> The problems could be with a coil or slightly worn
> bearings.
> 
> About a year ago, this deck developed serious wow. At
> the time, it didn't cross my mind to blame he capstan
> motor. I cleaned the capstans thoroughly and (when that
> made no difference) replaced the belt and both pinch
> rollers. This cured most of it, but a touch still
> remained, especially with older tapes. It now occurs
> to me that the motor has been slightly bad for some
> time now, but was acting up only when it encountered
> increased load of older tapes or slightly dragging
> pinch rollers. I am not sure this is the case, but
> plan to replace the whole motor soon.
> 
> -- Ron
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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Wed Nov 22 21:39:11 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:39:11 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] DR-3 problem
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJGEMICEAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>

My back up deck is a Nak DR-3, but it has one problem that has developed
recently:  When it records both meters show a strong signal, and the RCA
inputs and Outputs work fine, but on playback only the right channel plays.
However, playback of other tapes made on my DR-2 play fine, so the problem
is not in playback.

The heads are clean, and there are no visible problems with the record head
or the wires running to it.  Any thoughts of what it might be?

Roland

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From lwilliams at treb.com  Wed Nov 22 20:46:02 2000
From: lwilliams at treb.com (Larry E. Williams)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:46:02 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Reel to Reel repair
Message-ID: <3A1C227A.B7FBE08C@treb.com>

Hi,
Sort of related topic. Does anyone here know of a good repair company
that will work on Reel to Reel machines.
I picked up a beautiful Akai 4 track machine ($10.00 bucks at Goodwill)
that every function seems to work except for the play motor. I know...
thats a big except.

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Nov 22 21:53:26 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:53:26 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] needing auto reverse
Message-ID: <OF85057A7F.E5037833-ON8625699F.00729B94@ac.com>



Oh, auto reverse.  You may have committed a blasphemy.  My impression is
that audiophilic cassette deck people hate the very idea of auto reverse.
I have it on my little Aiwa portable for convenience sake, but I think it
does get in the way (somehow) for choice listening.  And, my understanding
is that it isn't good for tapes.

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From brianm at grar.com  Wed Nov 22 22:34:17 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:34:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] needing auto reverse
References: <OF85057A7F.E5037833-ON8625699F.00729B94@ac.com>
Message-ID: <007401c054cb$fc2d5ee0$40021fac@brianm>

It's all in how it is done George.  It appears you may not be aware of the
way Nak handled it.  The RX-505, and it's younder sibblings, open the door
slightly and rotate the tape, therefore there are none of the inherent
problems associated with auto-reverse.  The Dragon has a much more
sophisticated method, yet sucessful, I will leave it to others to explain
it's execution of auto-reverse.

Brian Miller
Michigan

God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still
sinners, Christ died for us.
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From: <george.m.hook at ac.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] needing auto reverse


>
>
> Oh, auto reverse.  You may have committed a blasphemy.  My impression is
> that audiophilic cassette deck people hate the very idea of auto reverse.
> I have it on my little Aiwa portable for convenience sake, but I think it
> does get in the way (somehow) for choice listening.  And, my understanding
> is that it isn't good for tapes.
>
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Fri Nov 24 01:05:01 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:05:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <003401c05491$8c268660$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A1DB0AC.7904D191@com2com.ru>

Thank you, Kannan! It feels really good talking to someone, who is no stranger to
knowledge.
41.7 mm is the correct value (41.6 - just typing slip).
I thoroughly examined all parts of the transport and came to a conlusion they are all
original.
Just like you I ask myself where have these 0.2 mm gone and find only one explanation:
it's simply the rare case of a flaw made by turning. Yes, even Gods are not free from
mistakes! Of course I can imagine that this flywheel was taken out from some other Nak
as a "spare part", but this seems to be very unlikely. Considerations of a massive iron
wheel getting even slightly worn because of contact with a rubber belt even after the
years of unceasing rotation seem just ridiculous to me.

Nick

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Thanks Nick
> but your other mail got delivered after my reply anyway. Sorry about thicker
> on the right side - it odesnot matter excepting linear velocity of tape
> travel on the take up side 0.2% more than supply side and using different
> dia for flywheel and capstan shaft is to suppress resonance.
> What I do not understand from your mail is ( I am assuming that from your
> calculation that the existing arrangement - can not be Nak' s original I
> hope - defies logic)
> where this .2mm gone ? wearing out in use?
> OR
>  you have stated 41.6 mm dia as the measurement and used 41.7 in calculation
> below?
> Using 41.6 yields 0.998 ( instead of your 1.0001)  which is what Nak
> original design - 0.2% less speed. Is there any deposit on this flywheel?
> Can you explain
> Kannan
> --------------------------------
> 2.
> 480Z
> Left capstan - 3 mm
> Right capstan - 2.5 mm
> Left flywheel - 50 mm
> Right flywheel - 41.6 mm
> Using the formula above a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50) = 1.001!!
> No wonder the tape between capstans is flabby! Any artificially provoked (by
> finger) tape sags just get worse up to the point the tape gets rolled off of
> the guides and finally eaten!
> Solution: Took a strap of thin but good insulating tape and neatly wrapped
> it around the larger flywheel, thus increasing its diameter up to 50.2 mm.
> Now a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50.2) = 0.997!! All problems disappeared!!!
>
> Well, I hope all this was interesting enough, at least to some of you.
>
> Thanx for your passion
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick <nikkki at com2com.ru>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
>
> >Dear Kannan,
> >
> >thanx a lot for your support. As usually, you have been very constructive
> and thinking.
> >If you could read my latest message, you would definitely see that I have
> finally
> >managed to fix the problem by my own strength. If for some reason you
> couldn't read it,
> >I would highly recommend you (as well as all other inquisitive people on
> the Nak-list,
> >who like to delve into intestines of their valued machinery on their own)
> to read my
> >message intently.
> >
> >I don't know where does the persuasion, that capstans on the take-up side
> shall be
> >thicker, come from (maybe just instinctively?), but it's a real mistake. I
> concede the
> >existence of decks with the thicker right capstan (can't recall at the
> moment if I have
> >ever seen one), but not among Naks. Or am I erring?
> >
> >Well, I do not pretend to be a tape transport developer (I'm a physicist by
> education)
> >though. All that I'm trying to do is to completely comprehend, how does the
> damn thing
> >work, to find the answer to all whats and whys.
> >
> >And in actual fact it all refused to go without saying followed by just
> intuition! It
> >turned into a good food for thoughts.
> >
> >In conclusion I would also like to thank all the people, who sent their
> suggestions.
> >
> >Nick
> >
> >"Kannan. S" wrote:
> >
> >> First step for Nick would be check the dia of capstan on take up side and
> >> supply side. Take up side should be thicker. refer manual - if that is OK
> >> your problem is not wrong assembly.
> >>
> >> Move the capstan manually using the fly wheel and see that there there is
> no
> >> friction.
> >> Change the capstan belt if you find the current one is salck. Just with
> bad
> >> belt you will find strange behaviour of tape movement.
> >> As Stephen suggested check hardening grease - on the pinch rollars also .
> I
> >> just did not bother about it for a long time on my 582. Recently I found
> a
> >> lot of muck at this location. I found immediate improvement. Careful not
> to
> >> lose the small circlip!
> >>
> >> You can use service manual - 582/ 680 / 480 for reference to capstan
> wheel
> >> and size.
> >> It is very difficult to remove the bearing - I doubt about mix up of
> >> capstans as the thicker shaft would not fit on the wrong side and the
> >> thinner one will have lot of lateral play! - as Matyas point out.
> >> Try to be careful with these capstan assemblies - observe carefully what
> all
> >> parts present when you disassemble.
> >> Kannan
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 5:43 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
> >>
> >> >> Misha ! As T & S capstans have differents diameters their respective
> >> >bearing
> >> >> have the same for perhaps some micrometres larger... their diameters
> are:
> >> >> 2.8 mm for take-up and 3 mm for supply.
> >> >
> >> >Matias, as we already know there was someone "tweaking" this deck.
> >> >So, if this person did switch capstains he also may use brute force
> metod
> >> >for it :)
> >> >
> >> >> The thick take up capstan will float in the supply bearing, Nick dont
> do
> >> >it
> >> >> !!!
> >> >> The big supply capstan will never (not even in dream) enter the little
> >> >diam.
> >> >> bearing , You will cause serious injuries to the shaft and bearing
> >> >polished
> >> >> work. maybe even face the shaft bending.
> >> >> Never try out to replace bearing (or unfast / fast their screws !) you
> >> are
> >> >> exposed to their unparallelism risk !
> >> >
> >> >I'm not sure but there may be some posibilty that someone disassembled
> and
> >> >that assembled transport in a wrong order. So careful comparision to
> >> service
> >> >manual will be the answer. I'm not trying to say to switsn capstains
> >> anyway!
> >> >Only if transport was assembled in a wrong way!
> >> >As for the bearings - it's not a raly big deal if you knows exactly what
> >> you
> >> >are doing :)
> >> >
> >> >> Your problem seems that you dont use the original belt. (for the tape
> >> >> tension inner capstans)
> >> >>
> >> >> If the tape isnt going into the cassette, check the take-up torque.
> (you
> >> >may
> >> >> have both problems)
> >> >> Just an idea, is the idler sliping ?
> >> >
> >> >Hey, in the original letter Nick described the problem realy well. He
> were
> >> >trying to
> >> >play with all possible options and get no luck. The only visible reason
> (as
> >> >I can see
> >> >it) is thet someone without service manual disassembled transport for
> >> >cleaning
> >> >and assembled it back in a wrong way.
> >> >
> >> >Misha
> >> >
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Fri Nov 24 01:04:42 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:04:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
References: <003401c05491$8c268660$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A1DB09A.E9E41C1C@com2com.ru>

Thank you, Kannan! It feels really good talking to someone, who is no stranger to
knowledge.
41.7 mm is the correct value (41.6 - just typing slip).
I thoroughly examined all parts of the transport and came to a conlusion they are all
original.
Just like you I ask myself where have these 0.2 mm gone and find only one explanation:
it's simply the rare case of a flaw made by turning. Yes, even Gods are not free from
mistakes! Of course I can imagine that this flywheel was taken out from some other Nak
as a "spare part", but this seems to be very unlikely. Considerations of a massive iron
wheel getting even slightly worn because of contact with a rubber belt even after the
years of unceasing rotation seem just ridiculous to me.

Nick

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Thanks Nick
> but your other mail got delivered after my reply anyway. Sorry about thicker
> on the right side - it odesnot matter excepting linear velocity of tape
> travel on the take up side 0.2% more than supply side and using different
> dia for flywheel and capstan shaft is to suppress resonance.
> What I do not understand from your mail is ( I am assuming that from your
> calculation that the existing arrangement - can not be Nak' s original I
> hope - defies logic)
> where this .2mm gone ? wearing out in use?
> OR
>  you have stated 41.6 mm dia as the measurement and used 41.7 in calculation
> below?
> Using 41.6 yields 0.998 ( instead of your 1.0001)  which is what Nak
> original design - 0.2% less speed. Is there any deposit on this flywheel?
> Can you explain
> Kannan
> --------------------------------
> 2.
> 480Z
> Left capstan - 3 mm
> Right capstan - 2.5 mm
> Left flywheel - 50 mm
> Right flywheel - 41.6 mm
> Using the formula above a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50) = 1.001!!
> No wonder the tape between capstans is flabby! Any artificially provoked (by
> finger) tape sags just get worse up to the point the tape gets rolled off of
> the guides and finally eaten!
> Solution: Took a strap of thin but good insulating tape and neatly wrapped
> it around the larger flywheel, thus increasing its diameter up to 50.2 mm.
> Now a = (3/2.5) x (41.7/50.2) = 0.997!! All problems disappeared!!!
>
> Well, I hope all this was interesting enough, at least to some of you.
>
> Thanx for your passion
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick <nikkki at com2com.ru>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
>
> >Dear Kannan,
> >
> >thanx a lot for your support. As usually, you have been very constructive
> and thinking.
> >If you could read my latest message, you would definitely see that I have
> finally
> >managed to fix the problem by my own strength. If for some reason you
> couldn't read it,
> >I would highly recommend you (as well as all other inquisitive people on
> the Nak-list,
> >who like to delve into intestines of their valued machinery on their own)
> to read my
> >message intently.
> >
> >I don't know where does the persuasion, that capstans on the take-up side
> shall be
> >thicker, come from (maybe just instinctively?), but it's a real mistake. I
> concede the
> >existence of decks with the thicker right capstan (can't recall at the
> moment if I have
> >ever seen one), but not among Naks. Or am I erring?
> >
> >Well, I do not pretend to be a tape transport developer (I'm a physicist by
> education)
> >though. All that I'm trying to do is to completely comprehend, how does the
> damn thing
> >work, to find the answer to all whats and whys.
> >
> >And in actual fact it all refused to go without saying followed by just
> intuition! It
> >turned into a good food for thoughts.
> >
> >In conclusion I would also like to thank all the people, who sent their
> suggestions.
> >
> >Nick
> >
> >"Kannan. S" wrote:
> >
> >> First step for Nick would be check the dia of capstan on take up side and
> >> supply side. Take up side should be thicker. refer manual - if that is OK
> >> your problem is not wrong assembly.
> >>
> >> Move the capstan manually using the fly wheel and see that there there is
> no
> >> friction.
> >> Change the capstan belt if you find the current one is salck. Just with
> bad
> >> belt you will find strange behaviour of tape movement.
> >> As Stephen suggested check hardening grease - on the pinch rollars also .
> I
> >> just did not bother about it for a long time on my 582. Recently I found
> a
> >> lot of muck at this location. I found immediate improvement. Careful not
> to
> >> lose the small circlip!
> >>
> >> You can use service manual - 582/ 680 / 480 for reference to capstan
> wheel
> >> and size.
> >> It is very difficult to remove the bearing - I doubt about mix up of
> >> capstans as the thicker shaft would not fit on the wrong side and the
> >> thinner one will have lot of lateral play! - as Matyas point out.
> >> Try to be careful with these capstan assemblies - observe carefully what
> all
> >> parts present when you disassemble.
> >> Kannan
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 5:43 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem
> >>
> >> >> Misha ! As T & S capstans have differents diameters their respective
> >> >bearing
> >> >> have the same for perhaps some micrometres larger... their diameters
> are:
> >> >> 2.8 mm for take-up and 3 mm for supply.
> >> >
> >> >Matias, as we already know there was someone "tweaking" this deck.
> >> >So, if this person did switch capstains he also may use brute force
> metod
> >> >for it :)
> >> >
> >> >> The thick take up capstan will float in the supply bearing, Nick dont
> do
> >> >it
> >> >> !!!
> >> >> The big supply capstan will never (not even in dream) enter the little
> >> >diam.
> >> >> bearing , You will cause serious injuries to the shaft and bearing
> >> >polished
> >> >> work. maybe even face the shaft bending.
> >> >> Never try out to replace bearing (or unfast / fast their screws !) you
> >> are
> >> >> exposed to their unparallelism risk !
> >> >
> >> >I'm not sure but there may be some posibilty that someone disassembled
> and
> >> >that assembled transport in a wrong order. So careful comparision to
> >> service
> >> >manual will be the answer. I'm not trying to say to switsn capstains
> >> anyway!
> >> >Only if transport was assembled in a wrong way!
> >> >As for the bearings - it's not a raly big deal if you knows exactly what
> >> you
> >> >are doing :)
> >> >
> >> >> Your problem seems that you dont use the original belt. (for the tape
> >> >> tension inner capstans)
> >> >>
> >> >> If the tape isnt going into the cassette, check the take-up torque.
> (you
> >> >may
> >> >> have both problems)
> >> >> Just an idea, is the idler sliping ?
> >> >
> >> >Hey, in the original letter Nick described the problem realy well. He
> were
> >> >trying to
> >> >play with all possible options and get no luck. The only visible reason
> (as
> >> >I can see
> >> >it) is thet someone without service manual disassembled transport for
> >> >cleaning
> >> >and assembled it back in a wrong way.
> >> >
> >> >Misha
> >> >
> >>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Nov 23 18:12:07 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:12:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Worn belts, are they really that worn?
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485AD4@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <00b201c05570$88375680$f7312ac4@coqui.net>

Ha, Ha, Ha ! Good point Raul, but don't worry, sometimes under real life conditions the University of Life and experience only applies. But anyway, Nick's work is impressive. Good !


Carlos J. Guzman-President
Copytech Corporation
Puerto Rico
copytec at coqui.net
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tellez, Raul 
  To: 'naktalk at naks.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 11:21 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] Worn belts, are they really that worn?


  My father always told that sleeping through 12 years of school was going to come back and bite me in the ass.

  Raul
    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 4:08 AM
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] Worn belts, are they really that worn?
    Importance: High


    In continuation of the subject 'double-capstan tape transport' (see my mail with detailed explanation of the topic) I would like to ask those curious enough, what is in your opinion the physical essence of a phenomenon we all refer to as 'worn capstan belt'? Well, you'll presumably say (depending on your experience) that the belt in a deck can be considered as worn, if ...
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 23 22:40:02 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:40:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem - The solution is found!
References: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1> <5.0.0.25.2.20001107100014.025983d0@mail.flashcom.net> <3A19BC4D.B83DEEEA@com2com.ru> <01d301c05350$18b46ae0$9e3cbbd4@MAURITS12345678> <3A1B1550.13F84F3A@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE9A7OIkUqLpHka000005e1@hotmail.com>

Yeah Nick !
    As you are a physiscian, you will be pleased to read some of Niro
Nakamichi mecatronician's words

    US3883059:         Dual capstan type tape driving mechanism for a
magnetic tape machine

    Inventor(s): Nakamichi; Niro , Tokyo, JA
    Applicant(s): Nakamichi Research, Inc., Tokyo, JA
    Issued/Filed Dates: May 13, 1975 / July 11, 1974

A dual capstan type tape driving mechanism for a magnetic tape machine
comprising a first and a second capstan wheels including a first and a
second capstans, respectively, and a drivingly rotating member to drive said
first and second capstan wheels, said tape driving mechanism further
comprising an inertia applying member disposed just midway of said first and
second capstan wheels with a single belt engaging and passing around said
first and second capstan wheels, said drivingly rotating member and said
inertia applying member so that said first and second capstan wheels and
said drivingly rotating member rotate in the same direction, but so that
said inertia applying member rotates in the opposite direction, said inertia
applying member having an inertia energy of rotation equaling to the sum of
those of said first and second capstan wheels and said drivingly rotating
member and so disposed that said first and second capstan wheels are
symmetrically positioned relative to the straight line connecting between
the axes of said drivingly rotating member and said inertia applying member.

Where you reading those lines before ? ;o)

 Take aspirin and go read the expended details at
http://www.delphion.com/details?&pn=US03883059__&s_all=1
Greetings
Matyas

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Igritski
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:37 AM
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z: Transport problem - The solution is found!




[...]
You are absolutely right saying that linear velocity of a gyrating point is
the lesser, the lesser the radius of the circle it moves along is and vice
versa. But... this comparison becomes true only if we compare linear
velocities of the points revolving at the same angular velocities! In fact
two relatively thin (a couple of millimeters in diameter) axes driven in
motion by considerably larger (tens of millimeters) flywheels , which in
turn are driven by the capstan motor pulley by means of a common belt do not
necessary revolve at the SAME rotational speed or, in other words, do NOT
have the SAME angular velocity!
We know from kinematics, that linear velocity of a gyrating point equals its
angular velocity multiplied by radius of gyration:
v = w x R.
Let's now take following designations and perform some basic calculations:
r - radius of capstan motor pulley
r1 - radius of capstan on the supply side (left)
r2 - radius of capstan on the take-up side (right)
R1 - radius of flywheel driving "left" capstan
R2 - radius of flywheel driving "right" capstan
v - linear velocity of a point on the surface of capstan motor pulley
v1 - linear velocity of a point on the surface of "left" capstan
v2 - linear velocity of a point on the surface of "right" capstan
w - angular velocity of capstan motor pulley (w = 2 x px n, where n is
rotational speed or number of revos, which in turn is an important part of
any motor characteristic)
w1 - angular velocity of "left" capstan (and "left" flywheel)
w2 - angular velocity of "right" capstan (and "right" flywheel)
Then for the capstan motor pulley we have
v = w x r
Further, supposed that the rubber belt does not slip, this is the velocity
the belt runs at, setting in motion both flywheels.
Now for "left" and "right" flywheels we have respectively
w1 = v / R1 =(2 xpxnx r) / R1
w2 = v / R2 = (2 xpxnx r) / R2
As both capstan and flywheel it's expanded into revolve on the same axis,
they possess the same angular velocity.
Now, finally, for "left" and "right" capstans we have respectively
v1 = w1 xr1 =(2 xpxnx r) x (r1 / R1)
v2 = w2 xr2 =(2 xpxnx r) x (r2 / R2)
To obtain the notorious tape tension between two capstans it is necessary
that v1 < v2 or, otherwise, that v1 = axv2, where a < 1
It's easy to derive that a = (r1 / r2) x (R2 / R1) < 1
Let's assume
a) r1 = r2, R1 = R2. Obviously, no tension between capstans is generated, as
v1 = v2
b) r1 < r2. Tension will be there under condition that (R2 / R1) £ (r2 /
r1). This only means that R2 can be arbitrarily lesser, but cannot be
arbitrarily greater than R1. It's sufficient enough, if R1 = R2.
c) r1 > r2 (the case with Naks!). This immediately means that R2 can only be
lesser than R1. Again, not arbitrarily, but under now strict condition that
(R2 / R1) < (r2 / r1).
d) r1 = r2. Tension will be there if R2 < R1.
In that way I have come to a conclusion that the understanding of tape
tension origin between two capstans is far from simple. Isn't it?


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 26 19:13:37 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 19:13:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 on e-bay
Message-ID: <LAW-OE19Uvh18cbKTrR00000a71@hotmail.com>

Hi, Nakkers !

    I have found a ZX-9 for a low price in good condition on e-bay.. at an
incredible price!
The only problem for most of you is that the seller (known as honest)
is located in Paris region, France.
The seller want to deliver by hand to the buyer, but he notice an arangement
is possible !!!
The price is about ~250 $    (2000.- fr)

The bid increment step is 32$ and for now, no one had yet bid on it and the
auction stops on the 30th November at 23h59' pm. So be urged !!!

I hope a passionate guy of us will get it !

http://www.ibazar.fr/voirobjet.cgi?codeobjet%3dKE062057KJ642101

Matyas


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From enoyes at snet.net  Tue Nov 28 05:04:29 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:04:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi 582 in Perfect Condition
References: <LAW-OE19Uvh18cbKTrR00000a71@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A232EC9.F67AE66F@snet.net>

Hello Fellow Nakaphiles,

I have found myself with many more Naks than I really need at this time and have
decided to let my two 582's go. For those not familliar with this deck, it provides a
great combination of rugged build and great sound in a three head Nak. The transport
is the original asymetrically diffused dual capstan design with pressure pad lifter
which provides far greater build quality than the later Sankyo transports. This is
also one of only a few Naks made that have front panel adjusts for both record level
and bias with built in 400hz and 15k test tones which does allow for complete fine
tuning to any tape formula. Also featured are the famous peak reading wide range
needle type meters which I personally prefer to just about all but the 680's
fluorescent multi segments, metal tape capability, and off tape monitoring. The sound
is classic Nak... smooth and warm with that superbly open and extended high end that
is a hallmark of the namesake. I could go on, but the full lowdown on this deck is
only a couple of mouse clicks away (thanks to Wouter's great site) for anyone who'd
like all the details. I should mention that both of these have just been fully
serviced by Stephen Sank with new belts, alignment/calibration, etc... and have
received his blessing as being in great shape operationally. Since then, they have
seen perhaps 2 hours of use at most. I figured I'd offer them up as completely ready
to go, needing nothing more than a new home. These are in very nice shape lookswise
with just a few minor scuffs on the faceplate... nothing noticable until you get
really close up. I also have a couple of pics for anyone interested. Asking price is
$325 each.

Please email privately at enoyes at snet.net

Cheers,
Ed

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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Tue Nov 28 05:21:04 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:21:04 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-10 Service Manual
Message-ID: <c9.abcbb70.27548cb0@aol.com>

Does anyybody have a DR-10 service manual that they could upload to the ftp 
site?

Thanks,

Rob
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Tue Nov 28 08:45:21 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:45:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] LX3 on German eBay
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF376F@MCHH214E>

Hi guys out there,

anybody interessted in buying a LX3. Found this one on German eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=508767117

At the moment there is no bid and the selling persons wants to earn at least 152 U$ (assuming 2,30 for the U$). If somebody is interessted I can can assist in avoiding "German problems" like shipping, customs and so on

Regards

	Klaus

-- 
	Klaus Fendt (DMC, Munich)
	Tel. +49 (0)89 722-52173
	MailTo:klaus.fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de
	MailTo:Klaus.Fendt at dmc-group.de

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Nov 28 13:40:05 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:40:05 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
In-Reply-To: <01ee01c04819$113a7580$7393bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001128134005.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi nakfans,


I have problems with noise when I switch from play to record (even record
pause to record) on my BX150E.

Stephen suggested to clean the head switching relay:

On 06-Nov-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
> The problem when going into record is most likely dirty contacts on the
> head switching relay, which is the only relay in the unit.  Just pull it &
> clean it.

I now have a very good option to get nak parts but I don't have the part
number for this relay (and no service manual yet).

Could anyone help me out on that? 

Thanks a lot!

K.-H.


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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Nov 29 05:08:45 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:38:45 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise
Message-ID: <002801c059ba$11544b60$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Hermann
The relay is same as in BX1 and one of my Bx150 came to me with this relay
not switching ( coil burnt out), I replaced it with commercially available
relay from our elctronics market. The relay pin arrangement and spacing
should be matched. However you can order the same relay used in Bx1 ( Nak
ftp server has the manual and part number can be got from the same) from Nak
without problem - this would be costlier than market value.
Good luck ( I have a spare relay bought from market - which costed me around
4 USD) sending it from india would cost over 10 USD for the shipping alone!
So I can exclude that option.
Kannan

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX150: record level noise


>Hi nakfans,
>
>
>I have problems with noise when I switch from play to record (even record
>pause to record) on my BX150E.
>
>Stephen suggested to clean the head switching relay:
>
>On 06-Nov-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
>> The problem when going into record is most likely dirty contacts on the
>> head switching relay, which is the only relay in the unit.  Just pull it
&
>> clean it.
>
>I now have a very good option to get nak parts but I don't have the part
>number for this relay (and no service manual yet).
>
>Could anyone help me out on that?
>
>Thanks a lot!
>
>K.-H.
>
>
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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Wed Nov 29 04:17:55 2000
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:17:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi 482
Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9177@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>

Hello;

I'm looking to upgrade to a more expensive Nak so I would like to offer my
482 Discrete 3 Head machine for sale.  This has Dolby B and uses the Sendust
Head verses the crystal alloy Nak head.  The 482 is in very good condition
except for two marks on the top front.  The 482 works fine and I'll
guarantee it works fine when you receive it.  I am not the original owner so
I did not get the manual or box but I did print a copy of the 480 manual
from the ftp page.  Only difference is the 480 has 2 heads verses 3 heads
and layout of a few buttons.

Please let me know if you have questions.  I can send pictures if you
desire.  Asking $150 plus shipping.

Thanks

Kurtis
kurtis.bahr at lmco.com
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From salim at danareksa.com  Wed Nov 29 04:56:43 2000
From: salim at danareksa.com (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:56:43 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Service Manuals
Message-ID: <40A60811EBB9D311975300105A63DDEBBFB9E5@nt-server6.danareksa.com>

Dear Nak-fellows,

I just want to share this experience in ordering manuals from
www.schaltungsdienst.de as referred by Klaus sometime ago.  The company have
extensive selection of manuals and better yet, the price is right !

Just go to www.schaltungsdienst.de, click on the center banner, click
'Katalog', then put your model number, i.e. "dragon" on the field 'modell'
and "NA" (first two letters of naka) on field 'hersteller', click 'go' - and
order yours !  You can also check the price at www.elv.de but actual prices
are usually different (in my case, actual price is much lower !).

For international orders - be sure to mention 'english' unless you can read
german - the shipping cost is flat 26DM and it took about a week to send it
across the globe (i'm in indonesia).  My nak manual is a very clear xeroxed
copy and I also got an original manual for my kenwood (tuner !!! not
cassette deck  :-).

In addition, when we realized that my tuner is different with what kenwood
produced (...) (I received a manual for similar type model but different
frontplate, ICs etc), the very kind Herren offered me a free replacement for
other equipment !  Of course I still have to pay for shipping but he told me
to keep the 'different' manual to save my postal cost (most expensive part
of the bundle).  Considering it was not his mistake, he deserves two thumbs
up for this service.

Hopefully this would be useful to the tinkerers.

Cheers,
Salim SM



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From salim at danareksa.com  Wed Nov 29 05:16:34 2000
From: salim at danareksa.com (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:16:34 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak parts vendor
Message-ID: <40A60811EBB9D311975300105A63DDEBBFBA0A@nt-server6.danareksa.com>

Dear Nakfellows,

This is a non-cassette-deck problem, sorry !   I need to replace quad
detector coils on my SR-4 receiver parts no 0B51240A and 0B51241A.  Can
anybody please tell me where I can buy those parts or quad / IF coils in
general ?  

Any info re these vendors (esp. one with a website) will be appreciated.  Hi
Kannan, could you give me Naoko's / your Nak japan contact email address ?
Local Nak authorized service won't accept it for repair as "the model is too
old and we don't have the manual" ... just can't believe my ears.  

Best Regards,
Salim Marzuki

Sanyo LA1235 IC datasheet (used on SR4) recommended coils from Toko #
Q228CEL-1077B or Sumida # 235S01 or SNY-074-1919A all of which have been
discontinued.  I already wrote to find an equivalent type to Toko (got no
reply) and Sumida (got a "how many thousand do you need" question).   Does
anyone know the equivalent ?  


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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Wed Nov 29 08:25:08 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:25:08 +0100
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Need help on Nak parts vendor
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF3778@MCHH214E>

Salim,

you can reach Naoko Saito using mailto:naoko-s at nakamichi.co.jp
She will try her best helping you with parts you need. Only one thing seems to be a little bit problematic: The way of payment seems to be not as easy as it could be - they won't accept credit cards at all so you probably have to organize a bank draft.

Hope this helps

	Klaus

> -----Urspr> üngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Salim Marzuki [SMTP:salim at danareksa.com]
> Gesendet am:	Mittwoch, 29. November 2000 05:17
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	[naktalk] Need help on Nak parts vendor
> 
> Dear Nakfellows,
> 
> This is a non-cassette-deck problem, sorry !   I need to replace quad
> detector coils on my SR-4 receiver parts no 0B51240A and 0B51241A.  Can
> anybody please tell me where I can buy those parts or quad / IF coils in
> general ?  
> 
> Any info re these vendors (esp. one with a website) will be appreciated.  Hi
> Kannan, could you give me Naoko's / your Nak japan contact email address ?
> Local Nak authorized service won't accept it for repair as "the model is too
> old and we don't have the manual" ... just can't believe my ears.  
> 
> Best Regards,
> Salim Marzuki
> 
> Sanyo LA1235 IC datasheet (used on SR4) recommended coils from Toko #
> Q228CEL-1077B or Sumida # 235S01 or SNY-074-1919A all of which have been
> discontinued.  I already wrote to find an equivalent type to Toko (got no
> reply) and Sumida (got a "how many thousand do you need" question).   Does
> anyone know the equivalent ?  
> 
> 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Nov 29 10:12:50 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:12:50 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak parts vendor
In-Reply-To: <40A60811EBB9D311975300105A63DDEBBFBA0A@nt-server6.danareksa.com>
Message-ID: <000001c059e4$8c4c4c80$d353883e@a4s1s2>

Try MAPLIN.CO.UK - they may be able to help.

Good luck,

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Salim Marzuki
> Sent: 29 November 2000 04:17
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak parts vendor
>
>
> Dear Nakfellows,
>
> This is a non-cassette-deck problem, sorry !   I need to replace quad
> detector coils on my SR-4 receiver parts no 0B51240A and 0B51241A.  Can
> anybody please tell me where I can buy those parts or quad / IF coils in
> general ?
>
> Any info re these vendors (esp. one with a website) will be
> appreciated.  Hi
> Kannan, could you give me Naoko's / your Nak japan contact email address ?
> Local Nak authorized service won't accept it for repair as "the
> model is too
> old and we don't have the manual" ... just can't believe my ears.
>
> Best Regards,
> Salim Marzuki
>
> Sanyo LA1235 IC datasheet (used on SR4) recommended coils from Toko #
> Q228CEL-1077B or Sumida # 235S01 or SNY-074-1919A all of which have been
> discontinued.  I already wrote to find an equivalent type to Toko (got no
> reply) and Sumida (got a "how many thousand do you need" question).   Does
> anyone know the equivalent ?
>

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From emte at mail.md  Wed Nov 29 12:33:41 2000
From: emte at mail.md (marin turea)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:33:41 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
Message-ID: <200011291133.eATBXei34150@localhost.dnt.md>

does anyone know what is this?


http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/industrial/














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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Wed Nov 29 12:53:28 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:53:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485B02@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

Hideo Goto's name is the e-mail point of contact, I'm sure
Wouter can find out.  

-----Original Message-----
From: marin turea [mailto:emte at mail.md]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:34 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex


does anyone know what is this?


http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/industrial/














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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Wed Nov 29 13:22:19 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:22:19 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: recording noise at start + calibrating tools
In-Reply-To: <002801c059ba$11544b60$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001129132219.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hello Kannan,

> relay from our elctronics market. The relay pin arrangement and spacing
> should be matched. However you can order the same relay used in Bx1 ( Nak
> ftp server has the manual and part number can be got from the same) from
> Nak without problem - this would be costlier than market value.

I try to get prices from Nak/Japan so lets see how much they charge. If it's
much more then 4USD I'll go looking in Electronics shops here in Germany.
Right now it seem easier to order at Nak since I'm ordering some parts
anyway. 


Yesterday I had another testrun with the BX150 and this time I used a already
recorded tape.

Power on -- relais gets switched and switches back to "off" position.

Then:
I switched to record-pause (relais gets switched), tape still standing of
course.
When I then press play to start the recording (relais doesn't switch this
time) I have some scratching noises in the recording (I don't here anything in
"source mode") for maybe 2 sec.

So I'm not sure it the noise can be from the relias at all. It is switched to
record the moment I go into record-pause mode and then stays there. So why
shoul it cause noise everytime I go from record-pause to record-play? 


The other thing I noticed thanks to the prerecorded tape:
There are about half a second of the old recording not erase and get through
every time I pause recording (not stop). I didn't try with going back to stop
in that case. That's a litlle nuisance as well.


Could the three mechanical switches in the tape mechanics cause something like
that? 

----

And one more thing:     

Since I order from Nak I'm thinking about getting some calibrating tools. I
know that this question was on the list quite some time ago, but I can't find
the old messages. So once again: Which calibration tools or tapes would be
good to have for basic calibrating level and bias, head height, azimut and
maybe some more mechanical and/or electrical calibartion properties? 

I don't want to pay an arm and a leg, so if a subset with not too expensive
stuff would enable me to do most things myself that would be fine as well. 
The head adjustment tape was quite expensive if I remember correctly.


The Nak decks in question are the RX505 and the BX150 right now. I already
saw that the BX doesn't have a head height adjustment -- its simply screwed to
a metal pin, so it probably is easier in that case.


Thanks for every advice!

Karl-Heinz





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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Wed Nov 29 13:35:47 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:35:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: recording noise at start + calibrating tools
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485B03@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

Here is the original message from Stephen Sank:

Cheers,
Raul

Essential are:
DA09005 level 400Hz/0vu     (A/B/C/D designations on test tapes just signify
how recent the test tape version is, if their have been changes)
DA09007 track alignment 1kHz (expensive!)
DA09004 azimuth 15kHz
DA09006 speed/w&f 3kHz
with which you can do almost everything you'll need to do, as long as no one
has ever messed with the head tilt & tape guide adjustments.  If they might
have, then you'll need:
DA09039 tilt check gauge (really expensive)(it is possible, but really,
really difficult to get tilts right without it)
DA09071 tape travelling cassette(mirror cassette)(can be made yourself, with
much effort)
    I've never ever needed the erase head tilt gauge or the stroke check
gauge(that one is easy to eyeball) & the take up torque is easily checked
with your fingers(should be just a bit more than enough to keep a moderate
tension on the tape, usually less than a quarter turn from min on the adj
pot on Sankyo mech decks).  The azimuth tape substitutes adequately for the
PB freq response 15kHz tape(if response is down at that freq, you know 20kHz
is only going to be worse).  You will also need, of course, TDK MA, SA & D
blank tapes for rec calibration.  On the CR-7, you are likely to need the
special test unit, DA09101A, which is not too expensive.  For head height
adjusment, use the track alignment tape for the playback head, checking the
azimuth before finalising, then record a 100Hz tone at -20vu & maximize both
channel levels to adjust record head height.  You should always have a unit
running at least an hour before final speed adjustment.
   As for Europe purchasing, I don't have info for you, but I am sure
someone else on the list can help with that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann [mailto:k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:22 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: recording noise at start + calibrating tools


Hello Kannan,

> relay from our elctronics market. The relay pin arrangement and spacing
> should be matched. However you can order the same relay used in Bx1 ( Nak
> ftp server has the manual and part number can be got from the same) from
> Nak without problem - this would be costlier than market value.

I try to get prices from Nak/Japan so lets see how much they charge. If it's
much more then 4USD I'll go looking in Electronics shops here in Germany.
Right now it seem easier to order at Nak since I'm ordering some parts
anyway. 


Yesterday I had another testrun with the BX150 and this time I used a
already
recorded tape.

Power on -- relais gets switched and switches back to "off" position.

Then:
I switched to record-pause (relais gets switched), tape still standing of
course.
When I then press play to start the recording (relais doesn't switch this
time) I have some scratching noises in the recording (I don't here anything
in
"source mode") for maybe 2 sec.

So I'm not sure it the noise can be from the relias at all. It is switched
to
record the moment I go into record-pause mode and then stays there. So why
shoul it cause noise everytime I go from record-pause to record-play? 


The other thing I noticed thanks to the prerecorded tape:
There are about half a second of the old recording not erase and get through
every time I pause recording (not stop). I didn't try with going back to
stop
in that case. That's a litlle nuisance as well.


Could the three mechanical switches in the tape mechanics cause something
like
that? 

----

And one more thing:     

Since I order from Nak I'm thinking about getting some calibrating tools. I
know that this question was on the list quite some time ago, but I can't
find
the old messages. So once again: Which calibration tools or tapes would be
good to have for basic calibrating level and bias, head height, azimut and
maybe some more mechanical and/or electrical calibartion properties? 

I don't want to pay an arm and a leg, so if a subset with not too expensive
stuff would enable me to do most things myself that would be fine as well. 
The head adjustment tape was quite expensive if I remember correctly.


The Nak decks in question are the RX505 and the BX150 right now. I already
saw that the BX doesn't have a head height adjustment -- its simply screwed
to
a metal pin, so it probably is easier in that case.


Thanks for every advice!

Karl-Heinz





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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Wed Nov 29 14:59:14 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:59:14 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Nak part number for gear upgrade ?
In-Reply-To:  <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F002485B03@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001129145914.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Nakfans,

once again a part number is missing.

Does anybody know what Nak part number the gear upgrade for a BX150 has? 
Or what do I order from Nakamichi? Is a simple "gear upgrade for BX150"
enough?

And am I right that the gear upgrade is not really model specific? Could I
put the same gear upgrade in a BX300 (or CR model)  if one would choose to
come my way? 

Thanks a lot,


K.-H.


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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Wed Nov 29 16:34:18 2000
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:34:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX recording issue
Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC917C@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>

I have a 680ZX that plays tapes fine but when recording and the monitor
switch is on source everything looks great.  When I switch the monitor to
source it is like the audio is muted, just about non-existant.  

I'm wondering if someone can lead me to a simple fix.  I downloaded the
service manual and have oscillators and scopes so I can work on it.

Also I lost the new link to the ftp manual site if someone could help me
with that.  

Thanks

Kurtis
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From stephen806 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 29 17:41:56 2000
From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:41:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX recording issue
Message-ID: <20001129164156.27731.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com>

Sounds exactly like those nasty little 0.0047ufd
orange film caps in the erase/bias oscillator circuit.
 They should be replaced even if they measure good. 
Use any 0.0047ufd/100v polyester film cap, other than
orange ones, to replace.  If one or both was shorted,
also look for resulting damage to osc transistors &
the transistor that switches the power on/off to the
osc.

--- "Bahr, Kurtis" <kurtis.bahr at lmco.com> wrote:
> I have a 680ZX that plays tapes fine but when
> recording and the monitor
> switch is on source everything looks great.  When I
> switch the monitor to
> source it is like the audio is muted, just about
> non-existant.  
> 
> I'm wondering if someone can lead me to a simple
> fix.  I downloaded the
> service manual and have oscillators and scopes so I
> can work on it.
> 
> Also I lost the new link to the ftp manual site if
> someone could help me
> with that.  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Kurtis
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From oceanview5 at Home.com  Wed Nov 29 17:52:01 2000
From: oceanview5 at Home.com (oceanview5@home.com (Gary))
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:52:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
References: <ee.d4e272e.274ad4a0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A253430.DB2B5E0B@home.com>

Does anyone have a recommendation either pro or con to having my ZX-7 serviced by
Nakamichi's service Dept. in Rancho Dominquez, CA? Also, I am considering, if it's
possible having a modification made to it.

Specifically, I would find it useful to change the two record level controls so that
one of them is a level control (both channels) and the other a fader control
(left-to-right-). If this modification is possible it would enable me to switch from
one source to another and change the overall recording level without having to play
around with guess that I am changing the level equally on both channels. Can this be
done? If so, does anyone have any specific recommendation against it? And, if it can be
done, approximately what would the cost be?

While any responses may be made here, I would appreciate a response to me directly at
<oceanview5 at home.com>

Thanks in advance,

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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Wed Nov 29 18:36:20 2000
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:36:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX recording issue
Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC917F@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>

Thank You, I appreciate it much.  Any chance you have a pitch control knob
for this?

Kurtis

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Stephen Sank [SMTP:stephen806 at yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:42 AM
> To:	naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:	Re: [naktalk] 680ZX recording issue
> 
> Sounds exactly like those nasty little 0.0047ufd
> orange film caps in the erase/bias oscillator circuit.
>  They should be replaced even if they measure good. 
> Use any 0.0047ufd/100v polyester film cap, other than
> orange ones, to replace.  If one or both was shorted,
> also look for resulting damage to osc transistors &
> the transistor that switches the power on/off to the
> osc.
> 
> --- "Bahr, Kurtis" <kurtis.bahr at lmco.com> wrote:
> > I have a 680ZX that plays tapes fine but when
> > recording and the monitor
> > switch is on source everything looks great.  When I
> > switch the monitor to
> > source it is like the audio is muted, just about
> > non-existant.  
> > 
> > I'm wondering if someone can lead me to a simple
> > fix.  I downloaded the
> > service manual and have oscillators and scopes so I
> > can work on it.
> > 
> > Also I lost the new link to the ftp manual site if
> > someone could help me
> > with that.  
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Kurtis
> >
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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Wed Nov 29 18:38:25 2000
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:38:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9180@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>

I would recommend going to one of the specialists like Stephen Sank.  Nak is
not the same Nak it was years ago and I have more faith in these experts.

Kurtis

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) [SMTP:oceanview5 at Home.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:52 AM
> To:	naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:	[naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
> 
> Does anyone have a recommendation either pro or con to having my ZX-7
> serviced by
> Nakamichi's service Dept. in Rancho Dominquez, CA? Also, I am considering,
> if it's
> possible having a modification made to it.
> 
> Specifically, I would find it useful to change the two record level
> controls so that
> one of them is a level control (both channels) and the other a fader
> control
> (left-to-right-). If this modification is possible it would enable me to
> switch from
> one source to another and change the overall recording level without
> having to play
> around with guess that I am changing the level equally on both channels.
> Can this be
> done? If so, does anyone have any specific recommendation against it? And,
> if it can be
> done, approximately what would the cost be?
> 
> While any responses may be made here, I would appreciate a response to me
> directly at
> <oceanview5 at home.com>
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Wed Nov 29 19:57:09 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:57:09 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9180@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <003301c05a36$2d2f6af0$a8496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

Call or e-mail Stephen, you won't regret it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bahr, Kurtis" <kurtis.bahr at lmco.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification


> I would recommend going to one of the specialists like Stephen Sank.  Nak
is
> not the same Nak it was years ago and I have more faith in these experts.
>
> Kurtis
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) [SMTP:oceanview5 at Home.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:52 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
> >
> > Does anyone have a recommendation either pro or con to having my ZX-7
> > serviced by
> > Nakamichi's service Dept. in Rancho Dominquez, CA? Also, I am
considering,
> > if it's
> > possible having a modification made to it.
> >
> > Specifically, I would find it useful to change the two record level
> > controls so that
> > one of them is a level control (both channels) and the other a fader
> > control
> > (left-to-right-). If this modification is possible it would enable me to
> > switch from
> > one source to another and change the overall recording level without
> > having to play
> > around with guess that I am changing the level equally on both channels.
> > Can this be
> > done? If so, does anyone have any specific recommendation against it?
And,
> > if it can be
> > done, approximately what would the cost be?
> >
> > While any responses may be made here, I would appreciate a response to
me
> > directly at
> > <oceanview5 at home.com>
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From brianm at grar.com  Wed Nov 29 19:18:29 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:18:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9180@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <006401c05a30$c7a9d4e0$1a021fac@brianm>

I agree with Kurtis, go elsewhere.  I sent my Nak TD-700 to them for service
and it took months and everytime I called they replied that they would have
to get back with me, they never did!!!

I have had service work done on my ZX-9 and CR-7a by Jeffrey Galin and his
crew at Eslabs and could not be happier with the service and help I have
received from Jeffrey.

www.eslabs.com

Brian Miller
Michigan

God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still
sinners, Christ died for us.
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From: "Bahr, Kurtis" <kurtis.bahr at lmco.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification


> I would recommend going to one of the specialists like Stephen Sank.  Nak
is
> not the same Nak it was years ago and I have more faith in these experts.
>
> Kurtis
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) [SMTP:oceanview5 at Home.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:52 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
> >
> > Does anyone have a recommendation either pro or con to having my ZX-7
> > serviced by
> > Nakamichi's service Dept. in Rancho Dominquez, CA? Also, I am
considering,
> > if it's
> > possible having a modification made to it.
> >
> > Specifically, I would find it useful to change the two record level
> > controls so that
> > one of them is a level control (both channels) and the other a fader
> > control
> > (left-to-right-). If this modification is possible it would enable me to
> > switch from
> > one source to another and change the overall recording level without
> > having to play
> > around with guess that I am changing the level equally on both channels.
> > Can this be
> > done? If so, does anyone have any specific recommendation against it?
And,
> > if it can be
> > done, approximately what would the cost be?
> >
> > While any responses may be made here, I would appreciate a response to
me
> > directly at
> > <oceanview5 at home.com>
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
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From stephen806 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 29 23:57:06 2000
From: stephen806 at yahoo.com (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:57:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Steve Sank mailserver problems
Message-ID: <20001129225706.18044.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com>

This is to let anyone who has tried to email me in the
last few days know that my regular email server is
having difficulties once again, so please use
stephen806 at yahoo.com for the time being.  Thanks.

As for the ZX-7 record level controls modification, it
can certainly be done, but it will be very difficult
to source balance & dual level potentiometers that
will fit the mounting and knob shaft parameters.  I
don't see it being worthwile, plus, it does put a
second resistive element in each channel's signal
path, so would be a slight sonic degradation, albeit
perhaps not audible.

--- "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net> wrote:
> Call or e-mail Stephen, you won't regret it.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bahr, Kurtis" <kurtis.bahr at lmco.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
> 
> 
> > I would recommend going to one of the specialists
> like Stephen Sank.  Nak
> is
> > not the same Nak it was years ago and I have more
> faith in these experts.
> >
> > Kurtis
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: oceanview5 at home.com (Gary)
> [SMTP:oceanview5 at Home.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:52 AM
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a recommendation either pro or
> con to having my ZX-7
> > > serviced by
> > > Nakamichi's service Dept. in Rancho Dominquez,
> CA? Also, I am
> considering,
> > > if it's
> > > possible having a modification made to it.
> > >
> > > Specifically, I would find it useful to change
> the two record level
> > > controls so that
> > > one of them is a level control (both channels)
> and the other a fader
> > > control
> > > (left-to-right-). If this modification is
> possible it would enable me to
> > > switch from
> > > one source to another and change the overall
> recording level without
> > > having to play
> > > around with guess that I am changing the level
> equally on both channels.
> > > Can this be
> > > done? If so, does anyone have any specific
> recommendation against it?
> And,
> > > if it can be
> > > done, approximately what would the cost be?
> > >
> > > While any responses may be made here, I would
> appreciate a response to
> me
> > > directly at
> > > <oceanview5 at home.com>
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Nov 30 03:58:08 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:58:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX recording issue
References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC917C@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <3A25C240.2393C0C9@snet.net>

I was having similar problems with my 680 a while back and it turned out to be nothing
more than the transport cam belt needing replacement as it wasn't fully traveling to
the record position due to slippage. Try manually rocking the cam a little farther
when monitoring tape while recording.

Cheers,
Ed

"Bahr, Kurtis" wrote:

> I have a 680ZX that plays tapes fine but when recording and the monitor
> switch is on source everything looks great.  When I switch the monitor to
> source it is like the audio is muted, just about non-existant.
>
> I'm wondering if someone can lead me to a simple fix.  I downloaded the
> service manual and have oscillators and scopes so I can work on it.
>
> Also I lost the new link to the ftp manual site if someone could help me
> with that.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kurtis
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov 30 05:39:33 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:09:33 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: recording noise at start + calibrating tools
Message-ID: <002a01c05a87$8a5e6220$42d60192@vsnl>

First try without any signal input record- play mode , see the tapes get
erased. If this is not perfect say for metal tape then there can be problem
in Bias Oscillator circuit.

IF not check record - play mode switches the relay and connects recording
circuit / disconnecting play circuit , then there is no problem in relay or
switching circuit

 There can be problem in muting / record switching transistors if you are
getting scratching noise / small gap of tape not recording etc.

BX 1 circuit except Doby C part ( and hence the Doby IC ) of BX150 is same
 well allmost). Only problem you will find circuit borad layout is different
and Part number different which makes tracing bit elaborate - but worth if
you want to save time and little money.
 And one more clue can be record pause keeps the capstan motor running but
capstans are not fully engaged - so tape should not get pinched between the
capstan shaft and  pinch rollars. If your capstan belt is not OK tape may
not properly engage on the head when it goes from record pause to record -
play mode.
 Remove the cassette lid cover and observe the mechanism during these
sequences which may be the most likely cause than any other electronic
problem if reord play directly does not cause problem.

Also check record head connector / erase head connector on the mother
board - if it is loose then it may cause problem all the time. These are all
some problems that I observed in my decks. Hope these observations solves
your problem ( along with relay contacts as observed by Jeff ?) Check coil
 relay coil) voltages also in these modes which may give some clue.
The three switches on the mechanism are for logic switching and connects to
the central micro processor and any malfunction of these will affect normal
functioning itself and can not be a cause for the observations you made.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:49 AM
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: recording noise at start + calibrating tools


>Hello Kannan,
>
>> relay from our elctronics market. The relay pin arrangement and spacing
>> should be matched. However you can order the same relay used in Bx1 ( Nak
>> ftp server has the manual and part number can be got from the same) from
>> Nak without problem - this would be costlier than market value.
>
>I try to get prices from Nak/Japan so lets see how much they charge. If
it's
>much more then 4USD I'll go looking in Electronics shops here in Germany.
>Right now it seem easier to order at Nak since I'm ordering some parts
>anyway.
>
>
>Yesterday I had another testrun with the BX150 and this time I used a
already
>recorded tape.
>
>Power on -- relais gets switched and switches back to "off" position.
>
>Then:
>I switched to record-pause (relais gets switched), tape still standing of
>course.
>When I then press play to start the recording (relais doesn't switch this
>time) I have some scratching noises in the recording (I don't here anything
in
>"source mode") for maybe 2 sec.
>
>So I'm not sure it the noise can be from the relias at all. It is switched
to
>record the moment I go into record-pause mode and then stays there. So why
>shoul it cause noise everytime I go from record-pause to record-play?
>
>
>The other thing I noticed thanks to the prerecorded tape:
>There are about half a second of the old recording not erase and get
through
>every time I pause recording (not stop). I didn't try with going back to
stop
>in that case. That's a litlle nuisance as well.
>
>
>Could the three mechanical switches in the tape mechanics cause something
like
>that?
>
>----
>
>And one more thing:
>
>Since I order from Nak I'm thinking about getting some calibrating tools. I
>know that this question was on the list quite some time ago, but I can't
find
>the old messages. So once again: Which calibration tools or tapes would be
>good to have for basic calibrating level and bias, head height, azimut and
>maybe some more mechanical and/or electrical calibartion properties?
>
>I don't want to pay an arm and a leg, so if a subset with not too expensive
>stuff would enable me to do most things myself that would be fine as well.
>The head adjustment tape was quite expensive if I remember correctly.
>
>
>The Nak decks in question are the RX505 and the BX150 right now. I already
>saw that the BX doesn't have a head height adjustment -- its simply screwed
to
>a metal pin, so it probably is easier in that case.
>
>
>Thanks for every advice!
>
>Karl-Heinz
>
>
>
>
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Nov 30 12:29:32 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:59:32 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
Message-ID: <001601c05ac0$d003bb20$42d60192@vsnl>

Gary
Since record input control is first thing your Signal encounter from line
input, You can do that outside the 680 Box also shorting the internal- of
course cosmetically not a good one. You also can have active line input in a
seperate box with controls like mixers and leave these controls as its  for
your purpose) This is an idea may degrade the signal a little but I think
only a keen audiophile with excellent ears can detect that.
kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: oceanview5 at home.com (Gary) <oceanview5 at home.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:31 PM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification


>Does anyone have a recommendation either pro or con to having my ZX-7
serviced by
>Nakamichi's service Dept. in Rancho Dominquez, CA? Also, I am considering,
if it's
>possible having a modification made to it.
>
>Specifically, I would find it useful to change the two record level
controls so that
>one of them is a level control (both channels) and the other a fader
control
>(left-to-right-). If this modification is possible it would enable me to
switch from
>one source to another and change the overall recording level without having
to play
>around with guess that I am changing the level equally on both channels.
Can this be
>done? If so, does anyone have any specific recommendation against it? And,
if it can be
>done, approximately what would the cost be?
>
>While any responses may be made here, I would appreciate a response to me
directly at
><oceanview5 at home.com>
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Gary
>
>
>
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Thu Nov 30 13:56:42 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:56:42 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: recording noise at start + calibrating tool
In-Reply-To: <002a01c05a87$8a5e6220$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001130135642.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Kannan, 

thanks a lot for all the hints where to start looking.


On 30-Nov-00 Kannan. S wrote:
> First try without any signal input record- play mode , see the tapes get
> erased. If this is not perfect say for metal tape then there can be problem
> in Bias Oscillator circuit.

IECII Tapes are erased ok, only when paused and restarted there is a small
gap not erased. I'll try the metal just to check.

 
> [checking connectors and relais]

I'll go through all the connectors and check them.
The relais (relay) seems to be soldered in the board. Can I get the plastik
cover off without breaking something?  The coil seems to be ok, switching is
nice and fast. 

 
> BX 1 similar to BX150....
I will get a service manual for the BX150 soon, but I don't have it jet
(besides the mechanical pages).


> [capstan problem leading to bad tape head contact at start]

The Capstan belt is quite old (little rips on the edge). I'm ordering a new
one right now. 

>  Remove the cassette lid cover and observe the mechanism during these
> sequences which may be the most likely cause than any other electronic
> problem if reord play directly does not cause problem.

I'll check that. And recording after the first 2 seconds is just fine until I
touch the record levels (scratch noise again). Maybe everything is going away
once these are replaced. Repeated rapid moving to clean them as suggested
didn't work out that well. I'll try to get replacement or the special
cleaning/relubricating stuff Marc suggested.

 
> Also check record head connector / erase head connector on the mother
> board - if it is loose then it may cause problem all the time. 
> Check coil relay coil) voltages also in these modes which may give some
> clue.

Ok, I'll get some more measuring done on the relay. 


> The three switches on the mechanism are for logic switching and connects to
> the central micro processor and any malfunction of these will affect normal
> functioning itself and can not be a cause for the observations you made.

that helps excluding one source :-)


Karl-Heinz

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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Nov 30 16:08:37 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:08:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification
References: <ee.d4e272e.274ad4a0@aol.com> <3A253430.DB2B5E0B@home.com>
Message-ID: <006501c05adf$6af93e20$6e232ac4@coqui.net>

Try every place you want except Nakamichi itself !

Carlos J. Guzman-President
Copytech Corporation
Puerto Rico
copytec at coqui.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "oceanview5 at home.com (Gary)" <oceanview5 at Home.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:52 AM
Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 repair/modification


> Does anyone have a recommendation either pro or con to having my ZX-7
serviced by
> Nakamichi's service Dept. in Rancho Dominquez, CA? Also, I am considering,
if it's
> possible having a modification made to it.


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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Thu Nov 30 15:34:34 2000
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:34:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX recording issue
Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC9188@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>

Thanks Ed;

Even if I get this fixed I'm still thinking about selling the LX-5 and
getting the 582.  I just like the way the 581/582 allows you to fine tune
the recording bias and levels.  The LX-5 has a single bias knob.

Kurtis

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:58 PM
> To:	naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:	Re: [naktalk] 680ZX recording issue
> 
> I was having similar problems with my 680 a while back and it turned out
> to be nothing
> more than the transport cam belt needing replacement as it wasn't fully
> traveling to
> the record position due to slippage. Try manually rocking the cam a little
> farther
> when monitoring tape while recording.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ed
> 
> "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote:
> 
> > I have a 680ZX that plays tapes fine but when recording and the monitor
> > switch is on source everything looks great.  When I switch the monitor
> to
> > source it is like the audio is muted, just about non-existant.
> >
> > I'm wondering if someone can lead me to a simple fix.  I downloaded the
> > service manual and have oscillators and scopes so I can work on it.
> >
> > Also I lost the new link to the ftp manual site if someone could help me
> > with that.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kurtis
> >
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From tapes at pls-inc.com  Fri Dec  1 00:11:41 2000
From: tapes at pls-inc.com (J W Norris)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:11:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #499
References: <200011190424.FAA06616@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <00d001c05b26$2b61f9e0$0501a8c0@jw>

Gentlemen,

I can extract the files, set them up for uploading [in a lossless compressed
mode using Shorten, see http://www.softsound.com/ for additional
information] and maybe able to set up a separate ftp site.  I we still need
assistance in this matter drop me a line.

Thanks,

J W Norris
Pacific Lighting Sales, Inc.
Tape list at www.pls-inc.com/jwnorris
[949] 597-1633   Fax [949] 597-1753
Located @ N33.634108, W117.714183




----- Original Message -----
| Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:30:58 EST
| From: SBarr12393 at aol.com
| Subject: Re: [naktalk] Test tone CD [was:Sleeping?]
|
| I'll have to send you a copy as I haven't found an accurate method of
| converting the files into a format that can be emailed.
|
| - -Sam
<<<<snip>>>
| End of naktalk-digest V2 #499
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|
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Dec  1 01:11:32 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:11:32 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
In-Reply-To: <20001129225706.18044.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c05b2b$42710b80$a26343d4@a4s1s2>

I'll be missing again, longer this time.  (When the PC was out for a week
last time you guys gave me 103 messages to work through!)  I'm sure you'll
all have fun without me!  But I'll be back eventually ....

Catch you later, Nick.

Graham

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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Fri Dec  1 23:47:49 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:47:49 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Tape damages
References: <XFMail.001130135642.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <3A282A95.E3E47102@com2com.ru>

Guys, can anybody explain the following:

An excellent tape deck (say, Nak). No less excellent tape transport, heads condition
etc. Take a decent cassette (say, Maxell XL II), record it and play back a couple of
times. Examine the tape and see strange longtitudinal crease(s) (sometimes in the very
middle, sometimes closer to an edge), as if the tape was folded and then flattened
again. Take another decent cassette (say, Sony UX-S), record it and play back on the
same deck tens of times. Examine the tape - no stripes, no folds, nothing. Observed the
same damn thing several times with different decks and tapes.

Have anybody experienced the same? Does anybody know what it means? Defective tape base
(pvc)?

Nick
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Fri Dec  1 23:47:42 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:47:42 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Calibration tapes
References: <02b801c03c66$0b1f3820$7293bccf@sank1> <39F3AAD3.C9879103@snet.net>
Message-ID: <3A282A8E.AB78C11D@com2com.ru>

Guys,

this information can be useful to those of you, who like to mess around with their Naks on
their own. There's a very good and reliable company in New Jersey, that still has some
professional Calibration Cassettes on stock, namely 10kHz Azimuth Tape, 3.150Hz
Speed/Wow/Flutter Tape and Frequency Response Tape (31.5Hz - 20kHz). I ordered all these
tapes (plus Level Tape, that's unfortunately not available anymore) from them recently and
I must say I was totally satisfied. I believe you can have all three of the aforementioned
tapes at a cost of ca. USD 300,-. It seems to me that professional tapes of the kind are
becoming more and more rare - at least the experience of my search for them tells me that.
Maybe I was looking at the wrong places though...

Well, if someone's interested in getting some more information on that issue, let me know.

Nick
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Dec  1 14:09:16 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:39:16 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: recording noise at start + calibrating tool
Message-ID: <002101c05b97$ec204120$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Herrman
Do not try removing the plastic cover without a spare part. From your
observations, looks like relay must be OK. otherwise you will get scratchy
noise throughout your recording. Input pots can be most likely cause for
this scratchy noise when you change levels. Tape head contact when record -
pause - record/ play change over taking place may be the reason for little
portion not erasing.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, December 01, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX150: recording noise at start + calibrating tool


>Hi Kannan,
>
>thanks a lot for all the hints where to start looking.
>
>
>On 30-Nov-00 Kannan. S wrote:
>> First try without any signal input record- play mode , see the tapes get
>> erased. If this is not perfect say for metal tape then there can be
problem
>> in Bias Oscillator circuit.
>
>IECII Tapes are erased ok, only when paused and restarted there is a small
>gap not erased. I'll try the metal just to check.
>
>
>> [checking connectors and relais]
>
>I'll go through all the connectors and check them.
>The relais (relay) seems to be soldered in the board. Can I get the plastik
>cover off without breaking something?  The coil seems to be ok, switching
is
>nice and fast.
>
>
>> BX 1 similar to BX150....
>I will get a service manual for the BX150 soon, but I don't have it jet
>(besides the mechanical pages).
>
>
>> [capstan problem leading to bad tape head contact at start]
>
>The Capstan belt is quite old (little rips on the edge). I'm ordering a new
>one right now.
>
>>  Remove the cassette lid cover and observe the mechanism during these
>> sequences which may be the most likely cause than any other electronic
>> problem if reord play directly does not cause problem.
>
>I'll check that. And recording after the first 2 seconds is just fine until
I
>touch the record levels (scratch noise again). Maybe everything is going
away
>once these are replaced. Repeated rapid moving to clean them as suggested
>didn't work out that well. I'll try to get replacement or the special
>cleaning/relubricating stuff Marc suggested.
>
>
>> Also check record head connector / erase head connector on the mother
>> board - if it is loose then it may cause problem all the time.
>> Check coil relay coil) voltages also in these modes which may give some
>> clue.
>
>Ok, I'll get some more measuring done on the relay.
>
>
>> The three switches on the mechanism are for logic switching and connects
to
>> the central micro processor and any malfunction of these will affect
normal
>> functioning itself and can not be a cause for the observations you made.
>
>that helps excluding one source :-)
>
>
>Karl-Heinz
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From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com  Fri Dec  1 16:47:03 2000
From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P.Pickens)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:47:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Tape damages
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001201154703.006731a0@pop.mindspring.com>

Nick, I usually notice that effect when I see tapes that have been played
even a few times on a car deck or an auto reverse deck. I think (guessing)
that as the tape travels throught its path of guides, heads, and capstans it
gets creased. I don't *know* whether its normal or not. But I'd be suspucious.
It might also be the tape itself if it were a poor example.

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Fri Dec  1 13:56:05 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:56:05 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: recording noise at start + calibrating tool
In-Reply-To: <002101c05b97$ec204120$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001201135605.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Dear Kannan,

On 01-Dec-00 Kannan. S wrote:
> Do not try removing the plastic cover without a spare part. From your
> observations, looks like relay must be OK. otherwise you will get scratchy
> noise throughout your recording.

Ok, I'll poke an Oszillograph to the solder-contacts anyway, to make sure
there is no noise  there.

>  Input pots can be most likely cause for this scratchy noise when you
> change levels. 
I'm sure it's the pots when I change the level, but not that sure where the
noise comes from when I go from rec-pause to rec-play. I have to recheck if
any Dolby was on. I've a somewhat similar but much less noticible effect on
the RX505. Every time I go from rec-pause to rec-play I have a short noise
signal. On the RX505 it sounds like from a motor starting up. It's below the
normal tape noise, and I can't here it with Dolby off, but it triggers some
Dolby noise-tail if Dolby is on. 
The noise on the BX150 is much louder, longer and more irregular. There it
really sounds like bad contact.


> Tape head contact when record -
> pause - record/ play change over taking place may be the reason for little
> portion not erasing.

I'll make some "tape traveling" tape so I can watch the tape patch closely.
I think there is some tranparent tape case somewhere....

I hope that goes away once Idler and Capstan belt are new ones.


Thanks for all the hlep in finding the problem,

Karl-Heinz




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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  1 20:51:08 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:51:08 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
References: <000a01c05b2b$42710b80$a26343d4@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE29aqbC8wSA1Xv000014a9@hotmail.com>

Surely you will miss us Graham !

Matyas

---- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: "Nick Igritski" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:11 AM
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....


> I'll be missing again, longer this time.  (When the PC was out for a week
> last time you guys gave me 103 messages to work through!)  I'm sure you'll
> all have fun without me!  But I'll be back eventually ....
>
> Catch you later, Nick.
>
> Graham

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  1 21:34:29 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:34:29 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
References: <200011291133.eATBXei34150@localhost.dnt.md>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE31ZbLAX3cf3ed00001524@hotmail.com>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marin turea" <emte at mail.md>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:33 PM
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex


> does anyone know what is this?
> 
> 
> http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/industrial/
> 
________________________________________________

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Dec  1 23:27:33 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:27:33 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
References: <000a01c05b2b$42710b80$a26343d4@a4s1s2> <LAW-OE29aqbC8wSA1Xv000014a9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c05be5$e8e2f400$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Graham,

i stherte any way to share some good Armenian conghnyak
(or how you will spell it) with you off-line?

Misha
nd: armenian "AHTAMAR"

> > I'll be missing again, longer this time.  (When the PC was out for a
week
> > last time you guys gave me 103 messages to work through!)  I'm sure
you'll
> > all have fun without me!  But I'll be back eventually ....
> >
> > Catch you later, Nick.
> >
> > Graham
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sat Dec  2 00:28:10 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:28:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
References: <000a01c05b2b$42710b80$a26343d4@a4s1s2> <LAW-OE29aqbC8wSA1Xv000014a9@hotmail.com> <00c701c05be5$e8e2f400$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000e01c05bee$6082c1e0$0100007f@localhost>

> i stherte 

Oh my friend... it should be " is there"... probably too much of
armenian stuff......  you know!

Misha


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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sat Dec  2 05:10:22 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:40:22 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
Message-ID: <002901c05c15$ca6bb9a0$42d60192@vsnl>

Loks like some thing like auto IC insertion machine ! this inserflex
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] inserflex


>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "marin turea" <emte at mail.md>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:33 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
>
>
>> does anyone know what is this?
>>
>>
>> http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/industrial/
>>
>________________________________________________
>
>A modest pressure pad lifter bender ?        :-)
>
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sat Dec  2 05:12:26 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:42:26 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
Message-ID: <002e01c05c16$1528b880$42d60192@vsnl>

No fun Graham without your humour! - When is your birth day ? Let us see
whether your friends present something decent ( Ltd 1000 ZXL) this time?
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....


>Hi Graham,
>
>i stherte any way to share some good Armenian conghnyak
>(or how you will spell it) with you off-line?
>
>Misha
>nd: armenian "AHTAMAR"
>
>> > I'll be missing again, longer this time.  (When the PC was out for a
>week
>> > last time you guys gave me 103 messages to work through!)  I'm sure
>you'll
>> > all have fun without me!  But I'll be back eventually ....
>> >
>> > Catch you later, Nick.
>> >
>> > Graham
>>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Dec  2 20:42:53 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 19:42:53 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
In-Reply-To: <00c701c05be5$e8e2f400$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000f01c05c98$0fc30f80$b330883e@a4s1s2>

Misha

Yes, there is - let's say that on the 25 December at 20:00 GMT in the UK
(23:00 your time) we'll both drink a toast to each other with the Armenian
cognac!  And if anyone else wants to join in, add your name to the list.

Happy New Year!

Graham



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> MVM
> Sent: 01 December 2000 22:28
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
>
>
> Hi Graham,
>
> i stherte any way to share some good Armenian conghnyak
> (or how you will spell it) with you off-line?
>
> Misha
> nd: armenian "AHTAMAR"
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Dec  2 20:42:48 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 19:42:48 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
In-Reply-To: <000e01c05bee$6082c1e0$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <000901c05c98$0ce20fa0$b330883e@a4s1s2>

Hic!



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> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> MVM
> Sent: 01 December 2000 23:28
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
> 
> 
> > i stherte 
> 
> Oh my friend... it should be " is there"... probably too much of
> armenian stuff......  you know!
> 
> Misha
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Dec  2 20:42:50 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 19:42:50 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Kannan. S
> Sent: 02 December 2000 04:12
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
>
>
> No fun Graham without your humour! -

Thank you, sir!

When is your birth day ?

12 February - everyone note!!!!  And I may be like the British Queen and
decide to have TWO birthday's a year ... just in case anyone misses the
first time around.

 Let us see
> whether your friends present something decent ( Ltd 1000 ZXL) this time?

Oooohhhhh!  I WISH!!!

The way, the only reason I'm able to reply to these e-mails is I've had a
"stay of execution"until Sunday. Thereafter, it may be a month or so before
I'm back on line properly.

Meanwhile, here's hoping Santa stuffs your stockings full of Nak's and
music!   (I'll bet Mayas puts up a pair of tights so he gets two bites of
the cherry!)  Happy Christmas, Nakophiles All!  And a happy REAL Millenium
New Year, too.  (Last year was just a dress rehearsal...)

Gra'

PS
If you USA guys ain't got a new President George Gore or Al Bush by the time
I come back I vote we nominate Stephen for the job with his talking dog as
the running mate.





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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  2 23:01:21 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:01:21 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
References: <002901c05c15$ca6bb9a0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE9ez83vntisack00001927@hotmail.com>

I sent yesterday the query to H. Goto, I await his reply.
Matyas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] inserflex


> Loks like some thing like auto IC insertion machine ! this inserflex
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] inserflex
>
>
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "marin turea" <emte at mail.md>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:33 PM
> >Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
> >
> >
> >> does anyone know what is this?
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/industrial/
> >>
> >________________________________________________
> >
> >A modest pressure pad lifter bender ?        :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From emte at mail.md  Sun Dec  3 00:32:49 2000
From: emte at mail.md (marin turea)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 01:32:49 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
Message-ID: <E142M9B-000Hq6-00@atlas.dnt.md>

hey, Matyas, did you also asked him to reffer to the rest of the Nakamichi industrial line of products, with this occasion?

marin

> I sent yesterday the query to H. Goto, I await his reply.
> Matyas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] inserflex
> 
> 
> > Loks like some thing like auto IC insertion machine ! this inserflex
> > Kannan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 6:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] inserflex
> >
> >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "marin turea" <emte at mail.md>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:33 PM
> > >Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
> > >
> > >
> > >> does anyone know what is this?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/industrial/
> > >>
> > >________________________________________________
> > >
> > >A modest pressure pad lifter bender ?        :-)












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From emte at mail.md  Sun Dec  3 00:36:34 2000
From: emte at mail.md (marin turea)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 01:36:34 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
Message-ID: <E142MCo-000HwW-00@atlas.dnt.md>

or, maybe an INSERFLEX!


> No fun Graham without your humour! - When is your birth day ? Let us see
> whether your friends present something decent ( Ltd 1000 ZXL) this time?
> Kannan












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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Dec  3 01:57:43 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:57:43 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
In-Reply-To: <E142MCo-000HwW-00@atlas.dnt.md>
Message-ID: <000601c05cc4$0ae81060$90dc893e@a4s1s2>

No mate, I want nothing INSERted in me even if it is FLEXible!

Having said that, I might sell my body for a Ltd. 1000 ZXL or even one of
those gold plated Dragons ...




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> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> marin turea
> Sent: 02 December 2000 23:37
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
>
>
> or, maybe an INSERFLEX!
>
>
> > No fun Graham without your humour! - When is your birth day ? Let us see
> > whether your friends present something decent ( Ltd 1000 ZXL) this time?
> > Kannan
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From vs82079 at goodnet.com  Sun Dec  3 04:34:34 2000
From: vs82079 at goodnet.com (Lebow)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:34:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] where to service Naks in Phoenix area
Message-ID: <3A29BF4A.DF38031F@goodnet.com>

Any recommendations about where to get a BX 100 services in Phoenix, AZ?

It needs a gear upgrade and all the rest.

Much obliged

Ed

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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sun Dec  3 06:23:01 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:23:01 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
In-Reply-To: <000f01c05c98$0fc30f80$b330883e@a4s1s2>
References: <000f01c05c98$0fc30f80$b330883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <a05010400b64f884b12a4@[142.58.46.6]>

>Misha
>
>Yes, there is - let's say that on the 25 December at 20:00 GMT in the UK
>(23:00 your time) we'll both drink a toast to each other with the Armenian
>cognac!  And if anyone else wants to join in, add your name to the list.
>
>Happy New Year!


All the best this Holiday Season Graham.

I'll join you with a wee bit of Glemorangie (1971) here on the West 
Coast of Canada.

Cheers

Desmond
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Dec  3 19:55:15 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:55:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] where to service Naks in Phoenix area
References: <3A29BF4A.DF38031F@goodnet.com>
Message-ID: <018f01c05d5a$934f9540$a4496acf@johny1uboqh2n1>

Hardly in the Phoenix, I'm further away in Delaware, but you won't be sorry.
Stephen does excellent work at very reasonable rates.

John

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
(alternate email- stephen806 at yahoo.com )
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795(temp down) / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net

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Subject: [naktalk] where to service Naks in Phoenix area


> Any recommendations about where to get a BX 100 services in Phoenix, AZ?
>
> It needs a gear upgrade and all the rest.
>
> Much obliged
>
> Ed
>
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Sun Dec  3 23:10:16 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:10:16 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
Message-ID: <XFMail.001203231016.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

I just tried to get though some of the calibration process for the BX150.
I got in trouble at Step 7 of the electrical Adjustment.

Step 7: bias Oscillator I checked the frequency on an oszilloscope but didn't yet
want to fiddle around at the erase head (0.1Ohm resistor in series to measure the
erase current).

But there it says Mode: Record, pause

In record pause I don't have *any* signal on the testpoint (TP102)
Once I go to play I get a signal which is according to Item 10 about half as high
as it should be. 

In Item 10 it says: get Bias current adjusted for ... ZX to approx. 1mA, where the
testpoint is connected across a 10 Ohm resistor.
Fromthe diagram I saw, that the testpoint is just connected by 10Ohm to ground. So
I would expect 10mV... And get 10mV peak-peak on the Oszilloscope. That even when I
turn the Bias abjustment to max. 

This explains the tendency to a lot of highs when recording on that deck I guess. 

Now what?

Next step would be to test the current on the erase head? 
If that's really too low, do I bridge one or both of the resistors on the
Oscillator board (R318, R350)? Will that get the bias voltage at TP102 higher as
well?

Then at step 8:
Input signal of 21kHz (will 20 or 22kHz do as well?)
How much signal do I expect at the bias testpoint (TP102,202) after cutting off the
bias? My Oscilloscope is the most sensitive thing I have right now, but I find
signals lower then ~2mV (i.e. nothing at 5mV/div). Is there supposed to be more? Is
the 21kHz critical to let the signal to that point TP102? MPX filter was off, I
tried various input signal levels (it says 21kHz at -20dB) but I can just about see
that the flatline gets a little wriggly once I go to very high innput levels.

Then I tried to jump to the next point anyway and checked the Bias Trap. 
It says: maximize the signal -- that would be all the way clockwise on the
abjustment which feels wrong to me.


Any hints will be appreciated....


K.-H.


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From autoconsortium at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  4 05:56:30 2000
From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:56:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon question
Message-ID: <LPBBIJDIDBFJNAJOIBOKCEKHDDAA.autoconsortium@earthlink.net>

Hello listers.  I am a new member and am very glad to see this forum is
available.  I have a Dragon that is sick.  When you play a tape, the sound
quality goes in and out...and during this, the auto azimuth light is
blinking...sometimes I even hear strange clicking noises coming from the
deck.  I live in Indiana, and have no idea where to have this thing 'tuned'
at.  I am pretty good with electronics, is there any way I could fix this
sucker?  I reckon the azimuth needs adjusting.  Thanks for any
comments/suggestions.

Alex Cagann

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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Mon Dec  4 19:50:57 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:50:57 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
References: <000f01c05c98$0fc30f80$b330883e@a4s1s2> <a05010400b64f884b12a4@[142.58.46.6]>
Message-ID: <3A2BE791.D1B0E6B6@it.cas.cz>

Graham,

Happy Holiday to you and let me join you, Misha and Des with a glass of
delicious hungarian wine here in Prague.


Andras.

Desmond Hidson wrote:
> All the best this Holiday Season Graham.
> 
> I'll join you with a wee bit of Glemorangie (1971) here on the West
> Coast of Canada.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Desmond
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From mhugo at sunint.co.za  Mon Dec  4 13:29:36 2000
From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:29:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
Message-ID: <3A2B8E30.10AC3F93@sunint.co.za>

Hi Guys,

I've just read in a consumer report written by a, well, consumer, that
Maxell XLII-S is being is now discontinued.  Is this/could this be
true.  This is my favourite tape and will certainly throw a gloom over
the Yuletide.   According to him, Maxell MX-S is also discontinued.

Any information to confirm or conradict this?

MARC

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Mon Dec  4 14:21:08 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:21:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
References: <000f01c05c98$0fc30f80$b330883e@a4s1s2> <a05010400b64f884b12a4@[142.58.46.6]> <3A2BE791.D1B0E6B6@it.cas.cz>
Message-ID: <001d01c05df5$122bb980$0100007f@localhost>

Hey guys!

We got a great company! Anyone to join us?

Misha

> Graham,
>
> Happy Holiday to you and let me join you, Misha and Des with a glass of
> delicious hungarian wine here in Prague.
>
>
> Andras.
>
> Desmond Hidson wrote:
> > All the best this Holiday Season Graham.
> >
> > I'll join you with a wee bit of Glemorangie (1971) here on the West
> > Coast of Canada.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Desmond
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Dec  4 15:11:30 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:11:30 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
In-Reply-To: <3A2B8E30.10AC3F93@sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001204151130.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 04-Dec-00 Marc Hugo wrote:
> I've just read in a consumer report written by a, well, consumer, that
> Maxell XLII-S is being is now discontinued.  Is this/could this be

> Any information to confirm or conradict this?

Hmm.... No direct information, sorry. But I am very interested as well. What
I saw was a big mall here in Germany (Saturn in Colone) had the XL-II for
real cheap[1] and I suspected they would put them out of their tape
selection. So I bought about 30 of them :-) I'm not quite sure if they had
the XL-IIS as well cheaper then usual. 


K.-H.



[1] According to a dollar exchange of more then 2 DM per USD thats less then
    1$.... 

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Dec  4 15:41:13 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:41:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR4 schematics
Message-ID: <3A2BAD09.F7139F4E@xs4all.nl>

Now online the CR4 schematics from the service manual:

ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/service/english/

Thanks to Kannan!

Wouter

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From brianm at grar.com  Mon Dec  4 15:43:38 2000
From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:43:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
References: <3A2B8E30.10AC3F93@sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <001901c05e00$980d6700$14021fac@brianm>

I was under the impression they had already discontinued the MX-S tapes.

Brian Miller
Michigan

God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still
sinners, Christ died for us.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Hugo" <mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:29 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation


> Hi Guys,
>
> I've just read in a consumer report written by a, well, consumer, that
> Maxell XLII-S is being is now discontinued.  Is this/could this be
> true.  This is my favourite tape and will certainly throw a gloom over
> the Yuletide.   According to him, Maxell MX-S is also discontinued.
>
> Any information to confirm or conradict this?
>
> MARC
>
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From Jrdcesq at aol.com  Mon Dec  4 15:56:55 2000
From: Jrdcesq at aol.com (Jrdcesq at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:56:55 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon question
Message-ID: <1e.e0ac9da.275d0ab7@aol.com>

Hi,

I had exactly the same problem with my Dragon.  Steven Sank fixed it, I am 
not sure exactly what was wrong with it, but I think it is the azimuth adjust 
motor.

Anyway I am sure he will be able to explain it.

Good luck

John
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Dec  4 16:00:36 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:00:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
References: <3A2B8E30.10AC3F93@sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <009b01c05e02$f5b8ac00$a6496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>

I've read reviews that state that the plain XLII was better than the XLII-S,
perhaps -S doesn't sell as well.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Hugo" <mhugo at sunint.co.za>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:29 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation


> Hi Guys,
>
> I've just read in a consumer report written by a, well, consumer, that
> Maxell XLII-S is being is now discontinued.  Is this/could this be
> true.  This is my favourite tape and will certainly throw a gloom over
> the Yuletide.   According to him, Maxell MX-S is also discontinued.
>
> Any information to confirm or conradict this?
>
> MARC
>
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From fidelman at telcel.net.ve  Mon Dec  4 18:23:13 2000
From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:23:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Manual
References: <004701c04df3$dd2a4320$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A2BD301.36B193BE@telcel.net.ve>

Sorry for the delay but my computer "died" for 10 days....
I got the 680ZX but the heads were in really bad shape and cosmetically it has a lot of
scratches but I mean  A LOT so the few things I could try like recording and playing
tapes went pretty bad.
So I am still with my LX-5...
Thanks to all of you for your help.
Isy

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Isy
> did you get 680zx and what is your opinion on this deck ?
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Manual
>
> >Isy,
> >
> >This is a great deck and I would also prefer it over an LX-5 which has
> >no calibration options except the bias fine tune which isn't serious
> >'Nak' calibration!
> >And the manual is needed to get all the features working like the RAMM
> >option, which puzzled me when I got my 680ZX and didn't have a manual!
> >
> >Enjoy it Isy! It is one of my favorite Naks!
> >
> >Wouter
> >
> >
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  4 21:08:20 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:08:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
References: <000601c05cc4$0ae81060$90dc893e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE12UOJqXU0moav00001e53@hotmail.com>

Ha Ha !
During this time Graham, be cautious to your jealous Pionner FLEX circuit!
Add my name to the Cognak toast list.

Happy new year !

Matyas
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Graham Nelson 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 1:57 AM
  Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....


  No mate, I want nothing INSERted in me even if it is FLEXible!  

  Having said that, I might sell my body for a Ltd. 1000 ZXL or even one of those gold plated Dragons ...  

   
   Misha

  Yes, there is - let's say that on the 25 December at 20:00 GMT in the UK
  (23:00 your time) we'll both drink a toast to each other with the Armenian
  cognac!  And if anyone else wants to join in, add your name to the list.

  Happy New Year!

  Graham





  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
  > marin turea
  > Sent: 02 December 2000 23:37
  > To: naktalk at naks.com
  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF-LINE AGAIN ....
  >
  >
  > or, maybe an INSERFLEX!
  >
  >
  > > No fun Graham without your humour! - When is your birth day ? Let us see
  > > whether your friends present something decent ( Ltd 1000 ZXL) this time?
  > > Kannan
  >
  >
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  4 20:16:24 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:16:24 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
References: <E142M9B-000Hq6-00@atlas.dnt.md>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE157Vsc0InR06100001e6a@hotmail.com>

No, because once broswing the industrial side of that site I have not seen other surprising industrial engine, exept the OMS-*** serie, which is looking so ... japanese !
It seems, (I guess) the OMS-500 & 1000 are those kind of CD analysers, I say that only because I see some BNC connectors on the face plate, A CD analyser typical look as a lot of elements/paramaters to be displayed...
Surely someone in the list will correct me, I am as curious as you !

Neverthess with only one query, I have not yet receive any mail from Mr. Goto 

If I recall the OMS-2000 is a huge CD bank computerised for programing ...
I never find interesting the multi CD players, for me that kind of gadjet are a one more step in the fast food way to listen music.


Marin, Can you tell me how the hell did you found the Hideo Goto site ???
It exist since 1998 !!!
I never heard of it before !
Thank you,
Matyas

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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] inserflex


> hey, Matyas, did you also asked him to reffer to the rest of the Nakamichi industrial line of products, with this occasion?
> 
> marin
> 
> > I sent yesterday the query to H. Goto, I await his reply.
> > Matyas

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Mon Dec  4 21:28:58 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:28:58 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 
Message-ID: <001401c05e30$d50b42a0$988855c3@asuscubx>

Hello Naktalkers,

I'am repairing a N582 from my sister and the machine doesn't play because of the (stop and play )lamp wich are broken.

Is there a way to modify the deck in a way the deck plays music even when the lamp is broken?

Greetings Norman
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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Mon Dec  4 21:41:50 2000
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:41:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk]
Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B403BC919C@EMSS09M13>

Place a 1K resistor across the light blub.  This means you still have to
open it up to get to the blub anyway.

Kurtis

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Norman van Wijnen [SMTP:n.van.wijnen at castel.nl]
> Sent:	Monday, December 04, 2000 3:29 PM
> To:	naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:	[naktalk]
> 
> Hello Naktalkers,
>  
> I'am repairing a N582 from my sister and the machine doesn't play because
> of the (stop and play )lamp wich are broken.
>  
> Is there a way to modify the deck in a way the deck plays music even when
> the lamp is broken?
>  
> Greetings Norman
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Mon Dec  4 21:58:15 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 23:58:15 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
References: <XFMail.001203231016.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <3A2C0566.21E94E68@com2com.ru>

Buddy,

Oscilloscope is not the proper device for measuring voltage. It's rather an instrument
for visual evaluation of signal. Of course you can use it as a temporary substitute for
a Millivoltmeter, but you can never be sure in what you measure, 'cos its indications
are way too approximate. You're located in Germany, so ease your pain and get a really
cheap, but by no means nasty Millivoltmeter at www.conrad.de

AC-Millivolt Meter 417
Bestellnummer 123048-62
1 Stück : DM 299,95 or EUR 153,36

A couple of days and its yours...

As to your BX, I've never had exactly the 150 model, but had BX-1 and BX-2 instead. I'm
almost convinced there's not that much difference between them in the part of
schematics. In my case I also did not observe any bias oscillation in just
"record-pause" mode. I had to really set the tape in motion for bias to start
oscillating. Never went into details why is it so, but I believe it's a constructive
peculiarity.

Further, you mentioned some "peak-to-peak" value you measured in step x. It's NOT the
value you would have measured with a conventional Millivoltmeter. What you measured
with an Oscilloscope is the double amplitude of a signal. What does a Millivoltmeter
measure is the so called RMS-amplitude, which is "double amplitude" divided 2 divided
by square root of 2. This means that if the "peak-to-peak" value you see on the display
of an Osci equals 10mV, the value you would measure with a MV would equal to
10/2/1.414=3.54mV. Sorry, if you knew this all before.

Nick

Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just tried to get though some of the calibration process for the BX150.
> I got in trouble at Step 7 of the electrical Adjustment.
>
> Step 7: bias Oscillator I checked the frequency on an oszilloscope but didn't yet
> want to fiddle around at the erase head (0.1Ohm resistor in series to measure the
> erase current).
>
> But there it says Mode: Record, pause
>
> In record pause I don't have *any* signal on the testpoint (TP102)
> Once I go to play I get a signal which is according to Item 10 about half as high
> as it should be.
>
> In Item 10 it says: get Bias current adjusted for ... ZX to approx. 1mA, where the
> testpoint is connected across a 10 Ohm resistor.
> Fromthe diagram I saw, that the testpoint is just connected by 10Ohm to ground. So
> I would expect 10mV... And get 10mV peak-peak on the Oszilloscope. That even when I
> turn the Bias abjustment to max.
>
> This explains the tendency to a lot of highs when recording on that deck I guess.
>
> Now what?
>
> Next step would be to test the current on the erase head?
> If that's really too low, do I bridge one or both of the resistors on the
> Oscillator board (R318, R350)? Will that get the bias voltage at TP102 higher as
> well?
>
> Then at step 8:
> Input signal of 21kHz (will 20 or 22kHz do as well?)
> How much signal do I expect at the bias testpoint (TP102,202) after cutting off the
> bias? My Oscilloscope is the most sensitive thing I have right now, but I find
> signals lower then ~2mV (i.e. nothing at 5mV/div). Is there supposed to be more? Is
> the 21kHz critical to let the signal to that point TP102? MPX filter was off, I
> tried various input signal levels (it says 21kHz at -20dB) but I can just about see
> that the flatline gets a little wriggly once I go to very high innput levels.
>
> Then I tried to jump to the next point anyway and checked the Bias Trap.
> It says: maximize the signal -- that would be all the way clockwise on the
> abjustment which feels wrong to me.
>
> Any hints will be appreciated....
>
> K.-H.
>
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  4 22:50:27 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:50:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
References: <3A2B8E30.10AC3F93@sunint.co.za> <009b01c05e02$f5b8ac00$a6496acf@johnvazx8eg5vf>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE3epZNT3RuV1aG00001a9a@hotmail.com>

the Omen !

XL-IIs is my favorite tape too !

... tomorrow I will get  most packs of them in my bag I can do for the next
millenium !!

John, I didnt find XLII better... they are shorter in highs freq.



----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation


> I've read reviews that state that the plain XLII was better than the
XLII-S,
> perhaps -S doesn't sell as well.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Hugo" <mhugo at sunint.co.za>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:29 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
>
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I've just read in a consumer report written by a, well, consumer, that
> > Maxell XLII-S is being is now discontinued.  Is this/could this be
> > true.  This is my favourite tape and will certainly throw a gloom over
> > the Yuletide.   According to him, Maxell MX-S is also discontinued.
> >
> > Any information to confirm or conradict this?
> >
> > MARC
> >
> >
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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  4 22:47:35 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:47:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon question
References: <1e.e0ac9da.275d0ab7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE24IPvWXBmRNAN00001c0a@hotmail.com>

Hello Dragon owners,

The clicking sound you use to hear when the auto azimuth light is blinking (even when the light is not flashing) is simply due to the wear of the pin top of the PB azimuth screw (the extrem right one) over years of use.

A sliding plate goes across the surface of that plastic screw to adjust the head azimuth according to an angle built in the said plate. Once the screw pin is no longer enought(due to wear), the plate cannot compensate the cassette shell deformation nor the shortened screw ... so the NAAC continue to detect unwell azimuth and drive the azimuth motor fast till the end of its adjusting area.
The mecanical clicking sound come from the Az. motor unit box that cannot drive the flexible cable farther.

Over years the screw might have to be turned clockwise to replace the the PB head in a average idle angle.

You will be able to fix it yourself,
 Just never touch any other screw in your Dragon !!!
                                       NEVER !!!!!

Now here is the fix :

Turn the playback azimuth screw about 15 minutes clockwise ...

You must be a goood boy unless no presents for the holy night !!!.....................................Dont forget !!!

Merry christmass

Santa ;o)





  ----- Original Message -----
           Jrdcesq at aol.com 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 3:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon question


  Hi, 

  I had exactly the same problem with my Dragon.  Steven Sank fixed it, I am 
  not sure exactly what was wrong with it, but I think it is the azimuth adjust 
  motor. 

  Anyway I am sure he will be able to explain it. 

  Good luck 

  John 
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Mon Dec  4 23:15:31 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:15:31 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
Message-ID: <OF7ACAAEF2.A5FD1AAB-ON862569AB.007A1871@ac.com>



I don't doubt it.  The MX-S disappeared, totally, from Chicago music stores
about 6 months ago.  It is an excellent tape, but we are seeing a rush
toward the recordable CD now, I gather.  Stock up, while you can.

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Mon Dec  4 23:18:45 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:18:45 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
Message-ID: <OFD33597F9.EEBEB86C-ON862569AB.007A6F4A@ac.com>



The local Tower record store here had a monster sell-off of the MX-S
several months ago, as well.  I wasn't as sophisticated about this tape at
the time, or I would have bought them all. I mean, I did some taping on my
MX-S's last week, and the reproduction was spectacular.  Just when I have
it down right ... they discontinue the tape.

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Mon Dec  4 23:19:56 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:19:56 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
Message-ID: <OF90B574C3.3837EB0A-ON862569AB.007A9F12@ac.com>



I disagree, the MX-S rules over all.  Last I checked Maxell's Web site,
they were listing this tape.  Maybe I'll check it again, later.

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From autoconsortium at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  4 23:44:14 2000
From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:44:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon question
In-Reply-To: <LAW-OE24IPvWXBmRNAN00001c0a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIJDIDBFJNAJOIBOKCELHDDAA.autoconsortium@earthlink.net>

Interesting.  Well, since I am a fidgeter....I have touched every one of
those adjustment screws in the past.  My Dragon is way off in probably every
which way.  It no longer clicks now, but it goes in and out, it loses the
left speaker output (even though the decibel meter says the noise is there),
I looked in there today and the azimuth adjustment motor moves, but doesn't
even budge the larger wheel that actually moves the thin metal piece in the
blue lattice work (the azimuth motor just spins and burns against the black
rubber band).  The azimuth adjustment motor also stays on constantly when
you hit eject.  It sits there and burns the rubber band until you shut the
faceplate..that certainly can't be right.  It is screwed up.  Mine is off to
Stephan Sanks soon for a complete overhaul.

Oh, what are your guys opinions on the RX decks?  I am thinking of adding
one to my system to compliment the Dragon.  I'd like to use an RX for
playback so I can let the Dragon 'rest'.

Alex Cagann
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Matyas
  Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:48 PM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon question


  Hello Dragon owners,

  The clicking sound you use to hear when the auto azimuth light is blinking
(even when the light is not flashing) is simply due to the wear of the pin
top of the PB azimuth screw (the extrem right one) over years of use.

  A sliding plate goes across the surface of that plastic screw to adjust
the head azimuth according to an angle built in the said plate. Once the
screw pin is no longer enought(due to wear), the plate cannot compensate the
cassette shell deformation nor the shortened screw ... so the NAAC continue
to detect unwell azimuth and drive the azimuth motor fast till the end of
its adjusting area.
  The mecanical clicking sound come from the Az. motor unit box that cannot
drive the flexible cable farther.

  Over years the screw might have to be turned clockwise to replace the the
PB head in a average idle angle.

  You will be able to fix it yourself,
   Just never touch any other screw in your Dragon !!!
                                         NEVER !!!!!

  Now here is the fix :

  Turn the playback azimuth screw about 15 minutes clockwise ...

  You must be a goood boy unless no presents for the holy night
!!!.....................................Dont forget !!!

  Merry christmass

  Santa ;o)


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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Tue Dec  5 03:08:33 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:08:33 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
In-Reply-To: <OFD33597F9.EEBEB86C-ON862569AB.007A6F4A@ac.com>
Message-ID: <200012050209.NAA17241@necagmx.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi all,

	the same thing happened to me. I started using different brands of
tapes since the TDK MA/MA-X range are being assembled in parts other
than Japan. A co-worker introduced me to the XLII-S and I found them to
be great (though I have to tone down the bias). Then I heard about the
MX-S and went looking for them and only managed to buy the remaining
stock in a store - 4 only and of the 60 min length. So in summary the
MX-S here in Australia are almost gone - but plenty of the XLII-S
around.

	Regards

	Tom Siomopoulos

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From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
george.m.hook at ac.com
Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2000 9:19
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation




The local Tower record store here had a monster sell-off of the MX-S
several months ago, as well.  I wasn't as sophisticated about this tape
at
the time, or I would have bought them all. I mean, I did some taping on
my
MX-S's last week, and the reproduction was spectacular.  Just when I
have
it down right ... they discontinue the tape.

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Dec  5 03:44:05 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:44:05 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
Message-ID: <OF0EE70E6F.6030AF54-ON862569AC.000EE91D@ac.com>



The Local Tower in my neighborhood looks like it is scaling down even on
those.  They used to have a wall full of cassette tapes (Fuji, THX,
Maxell), but that was recently dismantled.  Maybe that is temporary,
though, because of the holidays.

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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Tue Dec  5 04:20:58 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:20:58 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Online Source For Tapes
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJKECGCFAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>

Just because our corner store isn't carrying every tape any more does not
mean they are about to become extinct just yet.  For those of you who can't
find what you're looking for or want to stock up, here's the place I shop,
and their prices are competitive.

http://www.tapeworld.com/products.htm#IV

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Dec  5 05:21:03 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:51:03 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
Message-ID: <005301c05e72$c7f0bea0$42d60192@vsnl>

Nick
Correct me if I am wrong, Oscilloscope can be used effectively measure high frequency Voltage signal. Oscilloscope has adjustment to calibrate the signal against the Graticule. Also Bias wave form purity is another important factor for noise free recording which can be seen on an oscilloscope. I use it to check my 582 Bias voltage and found that purity is allright but signal volatge was not allright to erase metal tape. Also I use it effcetively to check the wave form recorded on tape to check correct bias as well to adjust meter calibration on Dragon. You can as well measure current in case you use parellel resistors to reduce the effects of Inductance to measure erase current - using multiple resistors to get 1 Ohm and that will reduce the influence of Inductance on Bias current - say 8 nos of 8 Ohm in parellel to get 1 Ohm.
Only problem would be to get RMS value from Peak to peak which is seen on the scope - use formula to get RMS value. - Nick has indicated below!
Millivolt meter is definitely better as you get direct measurement of RMS voltage and free of measurement inaccuracies but high band width millivolt meter may be very expansive compared to Audio frequency meters. If you are not doing regular service, you can do most of the work with Oscilloscope.
Kannan

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Nick Igritski <nikkki at com2com.ru>
    To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
    Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 3:57 AM
    Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
    
    
    Buddy, 
    Oscilloscope is not the proper device for measuring voltage. It's rather an instrument for visual evaluation of signal. Of course you can use it as a temporary substitute for a Millivoltmeter, but you can never be sure in what you measure, 'cos its indications are way too approximate. You're located in Germany, so ease your pain and get a really cheap, but by no means nasty Millivoltmeter at www.conrad.de 

    AC-Millivolt Meter 417 
    Bestellnummer 123048-62 
    1 Stück : DM 299,95 or EUR 153,36 

    A couple of days and its yours... 

    As to your BX, I've never had exactly the 150 model, but had BX-1 and BX-2 instead. I'm almost convinced there's not that much difference between them in the part of schematics. In my case I also did not observe any bias oscillation in just "record-pause" mode. I had to really set the tape in motion for bias to start oscillating. Never went into details why is it so, but I believe it's a constructive peculiarity. 

    Further, you mentioned some "peak-to-peak" value you measured in step x. It's NOT the value you would have measured with a conventional Millivoltmeter. What you measured with an Oscilloscope is the double amplitude of a signal. What does a Millivoltmeter measure is the so called RMS-amplitude, which is "double amplitude" divided 2 divided by square root of 2. This means that if the "peak-to-peak" value you see on the display of an Osci equals 10mV, the value you would measure with a MV would equal to 10/2/1.414=3.54mV. Sorry, if you knew this all before. 

    Nick 

    Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote: 

        Hi, 
        I just tried to get though some of the calibration process for the BX150. 
        I got in trouble at Step 7 of the electrical Adjustment. 

        Step 7: bias Oscillator I checked the frequency on an oszilloscope but didn't yet 
        want to fiddle around at the erase head (0.1Ohm resistor in series to measure the 
        erase current). 

        But there it says Mode: Record, pause 

        In record pause I don't have *any* signal on the testpoint (TP102) 
        Once I go to play I get a signal which is according to Item 10 about half as high 
        as it should be. 

        In Item 10 it says: get Bias current adjusted for ... ZX to approx. 1mA, where the 
        testpoint is connected across a 10 Ohm resistor. 
        Fromthe diagram I saw, that the testpoint is just connected by 10Ohm to ground. So 
        I would expect 10mV... And get 10mV peak-peak on the Oszilloscope. That even when I 
        turn the Bias abjustment to max. 

        This explains the tendency to a lot of highs when recording on that deck I guess. 

        Now what? 

        Next step would be to test the current on the erase head? 
        If that's really too low, do I bridge one or both of the resistors on the 
        Oscillator board (R318, R350)? Will that get the bias voltage at TP102 higher as 
        well? 

        Then at step 8: 
        Input signal of 21kHz (will 20 or 22kHz do as well?) 
        How much signal do I expect at the bias testpoint (TP102,202) after cutting off the 
        bias? My Oscilloscope is the most sensitive thing I have right now, but I find 
        signals lower then ~2mV (i.e. nothing at 5mV/div). Is there supposed to be more? Is 
        the 21kHz critical to let the signal to that point TP102? MPX filter was off, I 
        tried various input signal levels (it says 21kHz at -20dB) but I can just about see 
        that the flatline gets a little wriggly once I go to very high innput levels. 

        Then I tried to jump to the next point anyway and checked the Bias Trap. 
        It says: maximize the signal -- that would be all the way clockwise on the 
        abjustment which feels wrong to me. 

        Any hints will be appreciated.... 

        K.-H. 

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From salim at danareksa.com  Tue Dec  5 05:17:15 2000
From: salim at danareksa.com (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:17:15 +0700 
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
Message-ID: <40A60811EBB9D311975300105A63DDEBC388E5@nt-server6.danareksa.com>

Dear nakaphiles,

First of all, thank you for all info, tips and influence ...  !

I recently bought with strong confidence a 482 which plays the flip side,
won't record / erase but with healthy looking heads.  Surely enough, the
orange caps was bad (thank you Mr. Stephen) - also interestingly this is the
first time I see a (supply) roller housing shaft almost off, just like being
pulled (fixed with careful push).

Having replaced belts +idler , clean / demag / align the heads (using 'test'
tape recorded on cr4), I did some small measurement and was amazed at how
the highs started to roll off at 10k !  even my old akai is better.
Shorting the resistor on PB eq amp did not help at all and it feels like the
high freq "kick" in the upper equalization curve doesn't exist.

Any guidance as in what components should be tested / replaced (pb eq
circuit ?) is much appreciated.  

Thanks in advance,
Salim SM

Is the 482 specs closer to 480 (20-18k +/-4db) or to 582 (20-20k +/-3db) ?
Does it use same heads as in 582 ?
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Dec  5 05:58:35 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:58:35 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
References: <40A60811EBB9D311975300105A63DDEBC388E5@nt-server6.danareksa.com>
Message-ID: <015101c05e78$06b84540$7293bccf@sank1>

The roller arm shafts usually never work their way out of the chassis
molding unless the grease on the shaft has become hard & locked the arm to
the shaft.  If you still have hardening grease, which is a common problem,
you will not have fuller roller pressure against the capstan & therefore
poor tape contact with the heads.  Also, the shaft has no positive stop
point in the chassis molding, so you need to check that the roller/guide
height is correct, which is very difficult without a mirror cassette.  If
you dismount the front panel & insert a cassette that has a transparent
shell, you might be able to see well enough up under the end to see the
tape/guide contact.  With the unit off, manually turn the control cam to
raise the heads & roller arms up to almost the pause position, when the
guides are not quite touching the tape.  Then, making sure the tape is not
slack, check that it is accurately centered in the guide.  You may have to
dismount the R/P head plate assembly to do this well enough.  Once you
positively have the guide at the right height, and have no hardened grease
on any arm or roller shaft, see how the high freq response is.  If you still
have a problem, you may have serious head wear or damage, or still some
alignment issues.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Salim Marzuki" <salim at danareksa.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 9:17 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq


> Dear nakaphiles,
>
> First of all, thank you for all info, tips and influence ...  !
>
> I recently bought with strong confidence a 482 which plays the flip side,
> won't record / erase but with healthy looking heads.  Surely enough, the
> orange caps was bad (thank you Mr. Stephen) - also interestingly this is
the
> first time I see a (supply) roller housing shaft almost off, just like
being
> pulled (fixed with careful push).
>
> Having replaced belts +idler , clean / demag / align the heads (using
'test'
> tape recorded on cr4), I did some small measurement and was amazed at how
> the highs started to roll off at 10k !  even my old akai is better.
> Shorting the resistor on PB eq amp did not help at all and it feels like
the
> high freq "kick" in the upper equalization curve doesn't exist.
>
> Any guidance as in what components should be tested / replaced (pb eq
> circuit ?) is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Salim SM
>
> Is the 482 specs closer to 480 (20-18k +/-4db) or to 582 (20-20k +/-3db) ?
> Does it use same heads as in 582 ?
>
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From emte at mail.md  Tue Dec  5 12:58:08 2000
From: emte at mail.md (marin turea)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:58:08 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
Message-ID: <E143GjY-0000A8-00@atlas.dnt.md>

dear Matyas, i really can't remember now the exact path of how i've found that site. the keywords seems to me were "nakamichi oms", "oms-2000" or "disk analyser" something like that.
why you didn't find the site - probably because you got scared to look at ALL those tens of thousands of results just  for "nakamichi" - everyone would feel the same! but also the site seems to be "oriented strictly" to the japanese viewers, since it's all in japanese, so you should be more careful to the keywords ("oms" would go, "double capstan" - i'm not sure...).
possibly, that's why i have once asked if there is somebody from Japan on the list.   
generally agree with you concerning cd-changers, but there are also some great exceptions with hdcd.

still, what is that INSERFLEX, Mr. Goto?

all the best
marin

> No, because once broswing the industrial side of that site I have not seen other surprising industrial engine, exept the OMS-*** serie, which is looking so ... japanese !
> It seems, (I guess) the OMS-500 & 1000 are those kind of CD analysers, I say that only because I see some BNC connectors on the face plate, A CD analyser typical look as a lot of elements/paramaters to be displayed...
> Surely someone in the list will correct me, I am as curious as you !
> 
> Neverthess with only one query, I have not yet receive any mail from Mr. Goto 
> 
> If I recall the OMS-2000 is a huge CD bank computerised for programing ....
> I never find interesting the multi CD players, for me that kind of gadjet are a one more step in the fast food way to listen music.
> 
> 
> Marin, Can you tell me how the hell did you found the Hideo Goto site ???
> It exist since 1998 !!!
> I never heard of it before !
> Thank you,
> Matyas
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "marin turea" <emte at mail.md>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] inserflex
> 
> 
> > hey, Matyas, did you also asked him to reffer to the rest of the Nakamichi industrial line of products, with this occasion?
> > 
> > marin
> > 
> > > I sent yesterday the query to H. Goto, I await his reply.
> > > Matyas
> 
> 
> 


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From emte at mail.md  Tue Dec  5 13:05:19 2000
From: emte at mail.md (marin turea)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:05:19 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
Message-ID: <E143GqV-0000aT-00@atlas.dnt.md>

Matyas,
our man seems to have one more @dress, check it:

http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hgoto/


he looks pretty friendly!

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~rf6h-gtu/


m

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Dec  5 13:43:07 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:43:07 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
In-Reply-To: <005301c05e72$c7f0bea0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001205134307.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Kannan and Nick,

thanks for your both replies. I'll see if I finally will get a millivoltmeter
like Nick suggested. I'll try to borrow on from our labs here in the research
center first :-)

The oscilloscope is already at home, so I took whats there. That peak-peak is
not RMS I knew BTW. That's why I was surprised to find instead of 10mV RMS
only 10mV peak-peak -- roughly 1/3 of the expected value.

I had a closer look in the shematics -- the erase head is connected directly
to the oscillator block, the bias signal has a much more complicated path.
Nonetheless -- since the bias current at TP102 (202) is 1/3 of the should be
value there seems to be something wrong. I'll check the erase head current
first, then try to increase the bias signal by shorting the resistors next to
the oscillator block (service manual says so).




On 05-Dec-00 Kannan. S wrote:
> signal against the Graticule. Also Bias wave form purity is another
> important factor for noise free recording which can be seen on an
> oscilloscope. 

Looks like a sine wave, but I get very high noise (10%) on that line (TP102).
Is that normal or because my bias signal is too low anyway? It *is* at the
lower end of the oscillospoe range (5mV/Div).


And if I put a 21kHz signal to the input connectors of the deck, this signal
is supposed to get to the bias testpoint TP102. I can't see it there. How
strong a signal should I expect at that point? Is it really below 2mV? I
guess that's the music signal which is going directly to the record head
including the bias signal.


> bias as well to adjust meter calibration on Dragon. You can as well measure
> current in case you use parellel resistors to reduce the effects of
> Inductance to measure erase current - using multiple resistors to get 1 Ohm
> and that will reduce the influence of Inductance on Bias current - say 8
> nos of 8 Ohm in parellel to get 1 Ohm.

for the erase head it say in the manual to put a 0.1 Ohm resistor there. Is
there a real difference if I connect a oscilloscope or a Millivoltmeter? (Of
course I have to calculate the RMS value for the oscilloscope).
The inductance you are talking about, is that inductance effect of the
resistors? 


> Millivolt meter is definitely better as you get direct measurement of RMS

I agree -- but they are expensive and I have an oscilloscope...

> not doing regular service, you can do most of the work with Oscilloscope.

I hoped so. But I can't get below the 5mV/Div sensitivity and I'm not sure if
I would need something even more sensitive for the record head signal. Has
anybody informations on the record head signal? What should I expect or what
sensitivity Do I need for checking the value? 

On 04-Dec-00 Nick Igritski wrote:
> no means nasty Millivoltmeter at www.conrad.de 
> 
>     AC-Millivolt Meter 417 
>     Bestellnummer 123048-62 
>     1 Stück : DM 299,95 or EUR 153,36 

I just had a look at a ELV catalog (similar stuff as conrad). I found some
down to a 8mV range with reasonable accuracy. But then thats some few hundred
marks I'm not very happy to spend right now.

> them in the part of schematics. In my case I also did not observe any bias
> oscillation in just "record-pause" mode. I had to really set the tape in
> motion for bias to start oscillating. Never went into details why is it so,
> but I believe it's a constructive peculiarity. 

I was wondering about this because it behaves definitely differnt then the
service manual says. There it's only "record, pause " for the bias test. 
But probably a missprint or they changed something slightly.


> of 2. This means that if the "peak-to-peak" value you see on the display of
> an Osci equals 10mV, the value you would measure with a MV would equal to
> 10/2/1.414=3.54mV. Sorry, if you knew this all before. 

Yes I figured that out but thanks for confirming my improvised integral
calculation :-)


K.-H.



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From ataylor at jabba.reyrey.com  Tue Dec  5 14:30:48 2000
From: ataylor at jabba.reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:30:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
Message-ID: <D5620F4EDA07D311A18A0090273CC55B03AF6024@oh15ex02.reyrey.com>

Check area thrife stores for all types of tapes.

-----Original Message-----
From:	george.m.hook at ac.com [SMTP:george.m.hook at ac.com]
Sent:	Monday, December 04, 2000 5:19 PM
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	RE: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation



The local Tower record store here had a monster sell-off of the MX-S
several months ago, as well.  I wasn't as sophisticated about this tape at
the time, or I would have bought them all. I mean, I did some taping on my
MX-S's last week, and the reproduction was spectacular.  Just when I have
it down right ... they discontinue the tape.

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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  5 20:07:18 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:07:18 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon question
References: <LPBBIJDIDBFJNAJOIBOKCELHDDAA.autoconsortium@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE21rttDRdNOUiv000023ac@hotmail.com>

Ha ! I relieve my eyes !!

Alex, what did you get for a kind of pleasures to f**k your Dragon in the
past ?
Wasn't its adjustments perfect enought to your eyes ?

You surlely touch as well some potentiometers there and there(a very good
idea is to play
with those of the Capstans PLL ), to crown the good work.
Wasn't you ?

Just for information, your Az. motor belt is pretty dead !
There is a cam potentiometer into the Azimuth unit, which allows the NAAC to
replace head at the factory angle once the cassette door is opened, or when
play sense is reversed.

Dragon owner myself, I can understand the growing madness you have
encounter.
It seems the Dragon owners have to fight to keep sane.

Beware !!

Once Stefen Sank will resurect your victim, try that once, to go to rolling
you in the snow before any atempts, REALLY !!!!!

Matyas


----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Cagann
To: naktalk at naks.com
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:44 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon question


Interesting.  Well, since I am a fidgeter....I have touched every one of
those adjustment screws in the past.  My Dragon is way off in probably every
which way.  It no longer clicks now, but it goes in and out, it loses the
left speaker output (even though the decibel meter says the noise is there),
I looked in there today and the azimuth adjustment motor moves, but doesn't
even budge the larger wheel that actually moves the thin metal piece in the
blue lattice work (the azimuth motor just spins and burns against the black
rubber band).  The azimuth adjustment motor also stays on constantly when
you hit eject.  It sits there and burns the rubber band until you shut the
faceplate..that certainly can't be right.  It is screwed up.  Mine is off to
Stephan Sanks soon for a complete overhaul.

Oh, what are your guys opinions on the RX decks?  I am thinking of adding
one to my system to compliment the Dragon.  I'd like to use an RX for
playback so I can let the Dragon 'rest'.

Alex Cagann
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Matyas
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:48 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon question


Hello Dragon owners,

The clicking sound you use to hear when the auto azimuth light is blinking
(even when the light is not flashing) is simply due to the wear of the pin
top of the PB azimuth screw (the extrem right one) over years of use.

A sliding plate goes across the surface of that plastic screw to adjust the
head azimuth according to an angle built in the said plate. Once the screw
pin is no longer enought(due to wear), the plate cannot compensate the
cassette shell deformation nor the shortened screw ... so the NAAC continue
to detect unwell azimuth and drive the azimuth motor fast till the end of
its adjusting area.
The mecanical clicking sound come from the Az. motor unit box that cannot
drive the flexible cable farther.

Over years the screw might have to be turned clockwise to replace the the PB
head in a average idle angle.

You will be able to fix it yourself,
 Just never touch any other screw in your Dragon !!!
                                       NEVER !!!!!

Now here is the fix :

Turn the playback azimuth screw about 15 minutes clockwise ...

You must be a goood boy unless no presents for the holy night
!!!.....................................Dont forget !!!

Merry christmass

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From autoconsortium at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  5 21:54:25 2000
From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:54:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon question
In-Reply-To: <LAW-OE21rttDRdNOUiv000023ac@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIJDIDBFJNAJOIBOKGEMLDDAA.autoconsortium@earthlink.net>

Maytas wrote:

> Alex, what did you get for a kind of pleasures to f**k your Dragon in the
> past ?

Wow, that doesn't sound so good....f**ck your Draon in the past.....ouch.  I
just checked, my Dragon doesn't have an arse :-)  Well, it has nice back, I
guess.  It's got a pretty mouf.  No, no pleasures...just trying to avoid
sending it out first.  I was stupid enough to think that if I turned this
little thing, and that little thing, it would magically start working
perfectly again.  Looks like I picked the wrong week to pretend to be an
electrical engineer.

> Wasn't its adjustments perfect enought to your eyes ?

Mine eye's have seen the glory of Mr. Sank.

> You surlely touch as well some potentiometers there and there(a very good
> idea is to play
> with those of the Capstans PLL ), to crown the good work.
> Wasn't you ?

Ah, potentiometers...I love to touch variable resistors.  They are so slim,
so svelte, so.....um, oh..what are we talking about again?

> Just for information, your Az. motor belt is pretty dead !
> There is a cam potentiometer into the Azimuth unit, which allows
> the NAAC to
> replace head at the factory angle once the cassette door is
> opened, or when play sense is reversed.

Yes, I had the pleasure of a long conversation last evening with Mr. Sank.
VERY nice guy, and very knowledgeable about all things Nakamichi....and then
some....and some more.  He needs to move to Indiana....ya, you love it here,
dontcha Stephan?? :-)  We's a nice bunch a folk her'n Indi-anner.  We's got
da Indy 500, da Brickyaad (you got your Jeff Gordon dining set yet?), Mr.
Bobby (Zero Tolerance) Knight, The Pacer's, and um....da colts <cough>.

> Dragon owner myself, I can understand the growing madness you have
> encounter.
> It seems the Dragon owners have to fight to keep sane.

You betcha...just too many switches, and buttons, and lights, and dials, and
AAAAAAHHHH.  Remeber the Airplane II movie with William Shatner?

> Once Stefen Sank will resurect your victim, try that once, to go
> to rolling
> you in the snow before any atempts, REALLY !!!!!

I won't even breathe on it, when it gets back.  I'm packaging it up right
now, trying to figure out a way it will be safe on its journey to New
Mexico.  I've got a carbon fiber box with tianium custom inlays, teflon
seals, composite graphite silly-cone shock absorption system....actually,
cardboard and styrofoam.  Just so the dopes at UPS don't touch it, we should
be fine and dandy.  I'm gonna miss the ole Lady, but she'll be back, and
better than ever.  This is her Christmas present...a two week paid vacation
to New Mexico with full room and board at the Spa.

Alex


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  5 22:23:34 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:23:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] inserflex
References: <E143GqV-0000aT-00@atlas.dnt.md>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE11pfTfABC7TVr00002092@hotmail.com>

Well, I think the message I send him was too static !


I play now with  www.yahoo.co.jp !

I found there http://www.fsinet.or.jp/%7Emayumi/Audio.htm a very strange
(bad) taste of
Human\manga\virtual\audiophile\photograph... !?

Matyas

----- Original Message -----
From: "marin turea" <emte at mail.md>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] inserflex


> Matyas,
> our man seems to have one more @dress, check it:
>
> http://www.jade.dti.ne.jp/~hgoto/
>
>
> he looks pretty friendly!
>
> http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~rf6h-gtu/
>
>
> m
>
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From marcushemma at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  6 00:37:41 2000
From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:37:41 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
Message-ID: <OE16WTtq0kh091P4LS50000190a@hotmail.com>

I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but noticable above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.

I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any success. The only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw. the drive mechanics and the electronics.

Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?

Thankful for sharing experience,

Marcus.


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Dec  6 02:03:50 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:03:50 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <OE16WTtq0kh091P4LS50000190a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <022001c05f20$658856c0$7293bccf@sank1>

Seems to me that the most likely cause is a fault in the ground path for the
r/p head casing.  If touching a wire between the head case & the main
chassis makes the buzz go away, then follow the electrical/mechanical
connections that get the head case eventually to the main chassis.  If
touching a wire from the head case to the amp circuit board ground kills the
buzz, then check the chassis grounding path of the board.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 4:37 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem


I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but noticable
above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.

I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any success. The
only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw. the
drive mechanics and the electronics.

Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?

Thankful for sharing experience,

Marcus.





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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Dec  6 05:43:50 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:13:50 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
Message-ID: <003201c05f3f$226b2740$42d60192@vsnl>

IHerrmann
I am not able to understand this 10 mV signal, when you keep record - play
 assuming record pause keeps the bias Oscilator switched off ) mode check
the two pin connector connecting erase Oscillator - you can remove the erase
head out of the circuit by removing this connector out of the socket and
check the wave form across these two points  on the mother board .( of
course you can do that without removing connectors from the PCB trace side.
Keep empty cassette inside to get to record play mode) You will see 105 Khz
sine wave about 60 V Peak to Peak or more across. Sixty volts ! You will
also see very clean wave form. If you do not see this your oscillator is not
working. Across play head ( record play mode) you will see more than 10 V
peak to peak for normal tape itself  ( record mode applies bias voltage of
around 4 V RMS or more on play/ record head. Since you  do not seem to have
this, Bias Oscillator itself may not be oscillating. ( I am not sure whether
you have checked on record - play mode or you have checked some thing else)
 Check this first
If your bias signal is allright when the erase head is removed from circuit
and wave form decreases more than 10 % when erase head gets connected, you
may have to check the wiring of erase head or erase head itself may require
replacement. Hopefully you have some small fixable problem and avoid this
erase head replacement.
I am sorry about 1 Ohm - use 0.1 Ohm Inductance free resistor if possible
 you can make it up using multiple normal resistors in parellel). Since the
erase current measurement will be around 3 - 4 mV across the resistor
 400mA / 0.1 Ohm)you can not see it neatly on Scope. signal is less mV Scope
will be fuzzy. better to check at voltage across erase head. Since mV meter
will be more accurate at low volatges, you better use millivolt meter to
measure current. Since  I have more than two to three Naks with me Generally
I compare Bias Voltage across erase head with two machines - one that is
working fine against non working!
Also your 21 KHz signal should be much more than this small value? However
try 400 Hz
with meter ( on Nak ) should read 0 dB check at this point value - should be
atleast few hundreds of mV. 21 KHz should be fed at - 20 dB and not more
should be as per record current curve in the service manual. I do not have
the manual with me now
Wish you all luck
Kannan

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From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?


>Hi Kannan and Nick,
>
>thanks for your both replies. I'll see if I finally will get a
millivoltmeter
>like Nick suggested. I'll try to borrow on from our labs here in the
research
>center first :-)
>
>The oscilloscope is already at home, so I took whats there. That peak-peak
is
>not RMS I knew BTW. That's why I was surprised to find instead of 10mV RMS
>only 10mV peak-peak -- roughly 1/3 of the expected value.
>
>I had a closer look in the shematics -- the erase head is connected
directly
>to the oscillator block, the bias signal has a much more complicated path.
>Nonetheless -- since the bias current at TP102 (202) is 1/3 of the should
be
>value there seems to be something wrong. I'll check the erase head current
>first, then try to increase the bias signal by shorting the resistors next
to
>the oscillator block (service manual says so).
>
>
>
>
>On 05-Dec-00 Kannan. S wrote:
>> signal against the Graticule. Also Bias wave form purity is another
>> important factor for noise free recording which can be seen on an
>> oscilloscope.
>
>Looks like a sine wave, but I get very high noise (10%) on that line
(TP102).
>Is that normal or because my bias signal is too low anyway? It *is* at the
>lower end of the oscillospoe range (5mV/Div).
>
>
>And if I put a 21kHz signal to the input connectors of the deck, this
signal
>is supposed to get to the bias testpoint TP102. I can't see it there. How
>strong a signal should I expect at that point? Is it really below 2mV? I
>guess that's the music signal which is going directly to the record head
>including the bias signal.
>
>
>> bias as well to adjust meter calibration on Dragon. You can as well
measure
>> current in case you use parellel resistors to reduce the effects of
>> Inductance to measure erase current - using multiple resistors to get 1
Ohm
>> and that will reduce the influence of Inductance on Bias current - say 8
>> nos of 8 Ohm in parellel to get 1 Ohm.
>
>for the erase head it say in the manual to put a 0.1 Ohm resistor there. Is
>there a real difference if I connect a oscilloscope or a Millivoltmeter?
(Of
>course I have to calculate the RMS value for the oscilloscope).
>The inductance you are talking about, is that inductance effect of the
>resistors?
>
>
>> Millivolt meter is definitely better as you get direct measurement of RMS
>
>I agree -- but they are expensive and I have an oscilloscope...
>
>> not doing regular service, you can do most of the work with Oscilloscope.
>
>I hoped so. But I can't get below the 5mV/Div sensitivity and I'm not sure
if
>I would need something even more sensitive for the record head signal. Has
>anybody informations on the record head signal? What should I expect or
what
>sensitivity Do I need for checking the value?
>
>On 04-Dec-00 Nick Igritski wrote:
>> no means nasty Millivoltmeter at www.conrad.de
>>
>>     AC-Millivolt Meter 417
>>     Bestellnummer 123048-62
>>     1 Stück : DM 299,95 or EUR 153,36
>
>I just had a look at a ELV catalog (similar stuff as conrad). I found some
>down to a 8mV range with reasonable accuracy. But then thats some few
hundred
>marks I'm not very happy to spend right now.
>
>> them in the part of schematics. In my case I also did not observe any
bias
>> oscillation in just "record-pause" mode. I had to really set the tape in
>> motion for bias to start oscillating. Never went into details why is it
so,
>> but I believe it's a constructive peculiarity.
>
>I was wondering about this because it behaves definitely differnt then the
>service manual says. There it's only "record, pause " for the bias test.
>But probably a missprint or they changed something slightly.
>
>
>> of 2. This means that if the "peak-to-peak" value you see on the display
of
>> an Osci equals 10mV, the value you would measure with a MV would equal to
>> 10/2/1.414=3.54mV. Sorry, if you knew this all before.
>
>Yes I figured that out but thanks for confirming my improvised integral
>calculation :-)
>
>
>K.-H.
>
>
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Wed Dec  6 06:44:35 2000
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:44:35 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
Message-ID: <000d01c05f47$9fbdb2a0$b8289bca@default>

Thank you for the help and responses !

Stephen, the shaft is now in place and supply roller guide been eye-aligned
('alignment tape' with only half rear housing) but the HF is still not
there.  Height + azimuth is optimized using 400hz + 15k made on cr4 and
checked through pc soundcard.

When I compare the looks / width of plateau on the head (to that of the
low-hour CR) .... it is *almost* twice as wide.  Also if I took off the pad
lifter I can see that the head surface is slightly lower than the extreme
ends.  Shoot ... I forgot Nak provides head slots so that head wear would be
even, not "curvy" but easily seen on other decks !  Well, there goes my
first venture into d.i.y deck rebuilding.  Anybody has a spare 482 PB head ?
:-(

Um, does that mean that record head (which gap is already wider) would need
to be replaced as well ?

Regards,
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Dec  6 09:22:41 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 01:22:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
References: <000d01c05f47$9fbdb2a0$b8289bca@default>
Message-ID: <025201c05f5d$b43bf780$7293bccf@sank1>

In my experience, it is very rare to see a 482 or later 3-head Nak with
significant head wear, thanks to the simple but incredibly effective &
ingenious pad lifter, but it certainly sounds like you have a severely worn
Pb head.  It is possible that the same degree of wear in the record head
will not significantly affect performance, but you won't be able to be sure
until you replace the Pb head, if you actually do that.  Buying direct from
Nak Japan, the head should be quite affordable.  Nak USA is about 50 percent
more.
BTW, you guys, I have a 482Z on my bench right now, and it is very much a
crystal permalloy head, identical to the 582, 680, etc., and not a Sendust.
Hadn't worked on one in a long time, so I had started to doubt my memory.
As far as I know, Nak has never made a 3-head with a Sendust Pb head.  Only
the R/P head on the 480 & later two heads was Sendust(but NOT the 580, which
has a crystal permalloy R/P head!).

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
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From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:44 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq


> Thank you for the help and responses !
>
> Stephen, the shaft is now in place and supply roller guide been
eye-aligned
> ('alignment tape' with only half rear housing) but the HF is still not
> there.  Height + azimuth is optimized using 400hz + 15k made on cr4 and
> checked through pc soundcard.
>
> When I compare the looks / width of plateau on the head (to that of the
> low-hour CR) .... it is *almost* twice as wide.  Also if I took off the
pad
> lifter I can see that the head surface is slightly lower than the extreme
> ends.  Shoot ... I forgot Nak provides head slots so that head wear would
be
> even, not "curvy" but easily seen on other decks !  Well, there goes my
> first venture into d.i.y deck rebuilding.  Anybody has a spare 482 PB head
?
> :-(
>
> Um, does that mean that record head (which gap is already wider) would
need
> to be replaced as well ?
>
> Regards,
> Salim Marzuki
>
>
>
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Dec  6 12:08:43 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:38:43 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
Message-ID: <001401c05f74$e652b940$42d60192@vsnl>

Why don' t you first check whether you are selecting correct tape switch on
tha panel. Second check the actual position of Bias adjustment pot for that
particular tape ( refer service manual). Adjust the pot after noting down
the current resistance value of the variable arm of the pot, adjust it
 increase it to reduce bias current which will increase the high frequency
output recorded signal )
However better carefully read and understand the circuit / refer manual in
NAK FTP server before doing this
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq


>Thank you for the help and responses !
>
>Stephen, the shaft is now in place and supply roller guide been eye-aligned
>('alignment tape' with only half rear housing) but the HF is still not
>there.  Height + azimuth is optimized using 400hz + 15k made on cr4 and
>checked through pc soundcard.
>
>When I compare the looks / width of plateau on the head (to that of the
>low-hour CR) .... it is *almost* twice as wide.  Also if I took off the pad
>lifter I can see that the head surface is slightly lower than the extreme
>ends.  Shoot ... I forgot Nak provides head slots so that head wear would
be
>even, not "curvy" but easily seen on other decks !  Well, there goes my
>first venture into d.i.y deck rebuilding.  Anybody has a spare 482 PB head
?
>:-(
>
>Um, does that mean that record head (which gap is already wider) would need
>to be replaced as well ?
>
>Regards,
>Salim Marzuki
>
>
>
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Wed Dec  6 13:47:41 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:47:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
Message-ID: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu>

Marcus,

The small buzz may be the 400 Hz test tone, which is powered continuously, leaking into the signal path.  I heard, a long time ago, there is a "field fix" for this.  I was going to ask Stephen Sank about addressing this problem with mine, whenever I got around to sending mine in, which has intermittent record problems and the right limiter completely shuts down the signal for approximately a second, when activated, then opens back up until it's activated again.  I had sent mine back to Nakamichi five (5 !!) times complaining of these problems (1982-1986) but to no relief.  I did not find out about the fix for the test tone until after I stopped sending it in to Nakamichi in California.  They kept telling me everything met factory specs, but my ears kept telling me there was about 400 Hz of signal coming from somewhere.  The only reason I can think of for having the 400 Hz oscillator going all the time; so it will be stable for setting levels for Dolby.  If the tone is not stable, the levels will be slightly off for proper tracking of the Dolby circuit.  Don't forget, there is a complete PCB (printed circuit board) just for the Dolby circuit!  The unit should be powered up at least 15 minutes before setting Dolby levels.  It usually took me about 20 minutes to set up the mics, cables & stands and get them taped down, before I was ready to check levels.  By the way, you'll notice the buzz is NOT recorded on the tape.  That's the only thing that kept me from getting rid of the 550 when "Nakamichi" kept telling me it met specs.  It just keeps you from being able to use the 550 as the player for any dubs you want to do, because the tone IS recorded on the copy decks, provided their electronics are quiet enough to keep from masking the tone out.  My level is about 45-50 dB down from 0 dB reference level.  Otherwise, I have loved the quality of sound the 550 has given me since 1976.  Maybe Stephen can reply to this dilemma.

Kent Merideth (Indiana, U.S.A.)  

>>> marcushemma at hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:37PM >>>
I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but noticable above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.

I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any success. The only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw. the drive mechanics and the electronics.

Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?

Thankful for sharing experience,

Marcus.



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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Dec  6 18:15:58 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:15:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <02bc01c05fa8$34196d80$7293bccf@sank1>

Out of the several hundred 550's I've worked on, I have never seen that
400Hz leakage problem.  Thanks for the info.  As for the intermittent defect
that slams the limiter, it's probably just a flakey transistor or
electrolytic cap in the input line amp.
The "buzz" word suggests something lower in frequency than 400Hz, so we'll
need a more accurate description.  Either the 400Hz leak or a ground buzz
would tend to be on playback only, so knowing if it is audibly recorded on a
tape, or audible while source monitoring during recording would narrow down
the possibilities.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
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From: "Kent Merideth" <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem


> Marcus,
>
> The small buzz may be the 400 Hz test tone, which is powered continuously,
leaking into the signal path.  I heard, a long time ago, there is a "field
fix" for this.  I was going to ask Stephen Sank about addressing this
problem with mine, whenever I got around to sending mine in, which has
intermittent record problems and the right limiter completely shuts down the
signal for approximately a second, when activated, then opens back up until
it's activated again.  I had sent mine back to Nakamichi five (5 !!) times
complaining of these problems (1982-1986) but to no relief.  I did not find
out about the fix for the test tone until after I stopped sending it in to
Nakamichi in California.  They kept telling me everything met factory specs,
but my ears kept telling me there was about 400 Hz of signal coming from
somewhere.  The only reason I can think of for having the 400 Hz oscillator
going all the time; so it will be stable for setting levels for Dolby.  If
the tone is not stab!
> le, the levels will be slightly off for proper tracking of the Dolby
circuit.  Don't forget, there is a complete PCB (printed circuit board) just
for the Dolby circuit!  The unit should be powered up at least 15 minutes
before setting Dolby levels.  It usually took me about 20 minutes to set up
the mics, cables & stands and get them taped down, before I was ready to
check levels.  By the way, you'll notice the buzz is NOT recorded on the
tape.  That's the only thing that kept me from getting rid of the 550 when
"Nakamichi" kept telling me it met specs.  It just keeps you from being able
to use the 550 as the player for any dubs you want to do, because the tone
IS recorded on the copy decks, provided their electronics are quiet enough
to keep from masking the tone out.  My level is about 45-50 dB down from 0
dB reference level.  Otherwise, I have loved the quality of sound the 550
has given me since 1976.  Maybe Stephen can reply to this dilemma.
>
> Kent Merideth (Indiana, U.S.A.)
>
> >>> marcushemma at hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:37PM >>>
> I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but noticable
above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.
>
> I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any success. The
only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw. the
drive mechanics and the electronics.
>
> Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?
>
> Thankful for sharing experience,
>
> Marcus.
>
>
>
>
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Wed Dec  6 20:15:43 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 22:15:43 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
References: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu> <02bc01c05fa8$34196d80$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <3A2E905F.C814EC42@com2com.ru>

I would also like to address the notorious "buzz" issue. I own several Naks, a good
half of which have this very "distant", but nevertheless audible buzz or hum, that can
be clearly heard in a 'playback-with-no-tape' mode against the background noise or
hiss. It's interesting enough, that this buzz is present not only in 'oldies' like my
700TT, but in almost new unused decks like my Dragon as well. Like Stephen, I do not
consider this hum resulting from 400Hz leakage. It seems like coming from the
supply-line (50Hz or something). On my 700TT it gets recorded on tape (didn't check
with other decks yet) and is pretty noticeable at high volumes or with headphones. On
the other hand, I have a pretty hard used BX-2 and 480Z, where this problem doesn't
exist at all - just hiss, no buzz at all. Any ideas where to start looking at?

Thanks

Nick

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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Wed Dec  6 20:22:22 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick Igritski)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 22:22:22 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Tapes
References: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu> <02bc01c05fa8$34196d80$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <3A2E91EE.831DB105@com2com.ru>

Guys,

a couple of days ago I sent a message regarding the possibility of purchasing some
professional Calibration Tapes, but haven't seen it posted at Naktalk (it might have
been just kind of malfunction). Here I go again with the question:

Is there anybody interested in getting some real calibration tapes, namely Frequency
Response, Speed/Wow/Flutter & Azimuth?

Nick

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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au  Wed Dec  6 22:56:58 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:56:58 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
In-Reply-To: <3A2E905F.C814EC42@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <200012062157.IAA05977@necagmx.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi all,

	I have a similar problem. When I'm using my BX-300 I notice a "buzz",
however I know that it is not the tape deck. I have a cheap equaliser
that I use and the transformer is not shielded properly. The buzz is
comming from the transformer of the equaliser, so mayby in some of your
cases it could be external interference.

	Regards Tom Siomopoulos

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Nick Igritski
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2000 6:16
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
Importance: High


I would also like to address the notorious "buzz" issue. I own several
Naks, a good
half of which have this very "distant", but nevertheless audible buzz or
hum, that can
be clearly heard in a 'playback-with-no-tape' mode against the
background noise or
hiss. It's interesting enough, that this buzz is present not only in
'oldies' like my
700TT, but in almost new unused decks like my Dragon as well. Like
Stephen, I do not
consider this hum resulting from 400Hz leakage. It seems like coming
from the
supply-line (50Hz or something). On my 700TT it gets recorded on tape
(didn't check
with other decks yet) and is pretty noticeable at high volumes or with
headphones. On
the other hand, I have a pretty hard used BX-2 and 480Z, where this
problem doesn't
exist at all - just hiss, no buzz at all. Any ideas where to start
looking at?

Thanks

Nick

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From marcushemma at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  7 00:08:19 2000
From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (Marcus Rosen)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:08:19 +0100
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 550 DT and 700TT Audible buzz
Message-ID: <OE11Lch9wPiyAphwFut00001ebb@hotmail.com>

Thanks all for the suggestions, I will now check the osc. and head ground connection!

For the 700TT, maybe this is the fix: On my 700, (not 700II) a very slight mains hum on recording was heard above the hiss. It was eliminated by changing the ground path for the level trimpots on the main PCB. Cut the copper and connect the ground end for the pots with a piece of wire to the rec. amp. ground (where the 4 coils are) some centimeters away.

Marcus.
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Igritski" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:15 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz


> I would also like to address the notorious "buzz" issue. I own several Naks, a good
> half of which have this very "distant", but nevertheless audible buzz or hum, that can
> be clearly heard in a 'playback-with-no-tape' mode against the background noise or
> hiss. It's interesting enough, that this buzz is present not only in 'oldies' like my
> 700TT, but in almost new unused decks like my Dragon as well. Like Stephen, I do not
> consider this hum resulting from 400Hz leakage. It seems like coming from the
> supply-line (50Hz or something). On my 700TT it gets recorded on tape (didn't check
> with other decks yet) and is pretty noticeable at high volumes or with headphones. On
> the other hand, I have a pretty hard used BX-2 and 480Z, where this problem doesn't
> exist at all - just hiss, no buzz at all. Any ideas where to start looking at?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Nick
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Dec  7 03:50:46 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:50:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
References: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu> <02bc01c05fa8$34196d80$7293bccf@sank1> <3A2E905F.C814EC42@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <02ef01c05ff8$809d6260$7293bccf@sank1>

Maybe hum issues are a bit different here in AC120V Land, but I rarely see
any low level buzz problems.  When I do, it is usually on 700ZXL's, which
are very sensitive to ground loops, especially when in source monitor, oddly
enough.  So, it seems likely to me that these buzzes may be cured with some
adjustments to how the supply & chassis ground circuits are run.  Also, I
expect that 220/240VAC power transformers are more likely to contribute
noise than are 120VAC ones, so some extra shielding, or even making the
transformer entirely external, would eliminate any such noises.  I'm
basically shooting in the dark here, though, as I just haven't seen many
buzzing Naks, as I said.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Igritski" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:15 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz


> I would also like to address the notorious "buzz" issue. I own several
Naks, a good
> half of which have this very "distant", but nevertheless audible buzz or
hum, that can
> be clearly heard in a 'playback-with-no-tape' mode against the background
noise or
> hiss. It's interesting enough, that this buzz is present not only in
'oldies' like my
> 700TT, but in almost new unused decks like my Dragon as well. Like
Stephen, I do not
> consider this hum resulting from 400Hz leakage. It seems like coming from
the
> supply-line (50Hz or something). On my 700TT it gets recorded on tape
(didn't check
> with other decks yet) and is pretty noticeable at high volumes or with
headphones. On
> the other hand, I have a pretty hard used BX-2 and 480Z, where this
problem doesn't
> exist at all - just hiss, no buzz at all. Any ideas where to start looking
at?
>
> Thanks
>
> Nick
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Dec  7 05:12:07 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:42:07 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
Message-ID: <001f01c06003$dd70cee0$42d60192@vsnl>

Stephen
Even this Sendust head on my BX1, eventhough shows visible wear, had not
showed significant decrease in hi frequency response during recording / play
back. Unless he can record different frequencies on CR4 and try to find the
output during play on 482, he may not be able to say whether it is a
recording problem (either bias adjustment or bad component in record
circuit) or playback head problem.
I also find 15+ years old 582 plays and records excellent with worn heads.
Heads should be last one to suspect - but there are possibilities?
I am curious about your comparison of Sendust vs Crystalloy heads of two
head machines - performance in record play. Incidently whatever I recorded
on BX1 sounds pretty decent on three heads.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq


>In my experience, it is very rare to see a 482 or later 3-head Nak with
>significant head wear, thanks to the simple but incredibly effective &
>ingenious pad lifter, but it certainly sounds like you have a severely worn
>Pb head.  It is possible that the same degree of wear in the record head
>will not significantly affect performance, but you won't be able to be sure
>until you replace the Pb head, if you actually do that.  Buying direct from
>Nak Japan, the head should be quite affordable.  Nak USA is about 50
percent
>more.
>BTW, you guys, I have a 482Z on my bench right now, and it is very much a
>crystal permalloy head, identical to the 582, 680, etc., and not a Sendust.
>Hadn't worked on one in a long time, so I had started to doubt my memory.
>As far as I know, Nak has never made a 3-head with a Sendust Pb head.  Only
>the R/P head on the 480 & later two heads was Sendust(but NOT the 580,
which
>has a crystal permalloy R/P head!).
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:44 PM
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
>
>
>> Thank you for the help and responses !
>>
>> Stephen, the shaft is now in place and supply roller guide been
>eye-aligned
>> ('alignment tape' with only half rear housing) but the HF is still not
>> there.  Height + azimuth is optimized using 400hz + 15k made on cr4 and
>> checked through pc soundcard.
>>
>> When I compare the looks / width of plateau on the head (to that of the
>> low-hour CR) .... it is *almost* twice as wide.  Also if I took off the
>pad
>> lifter I can see that the head surface is slightly lower than the extreme
>> ends.  Shoot ... I forgot Nak provides head slots so that head wear would
>be
>> even, not "curvy" but easily seen on other decks !  Well, there goes my
>> first venture into d.i.y deck rebuilding.  Anybody has a spare 482 PB
head
>?
>> :-(
>>
>> Um, does that mean that record head (which gap is already wider) would
>need
>> to be replaced as well ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Salim Marzuki
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Dec  7 04:30:30 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:30:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 DT and 700TT Audible buzz
References: <OE11Lch9wPiyAphwFut00001ebb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <030601c05ffe$0d618280$7293bccf@sank1>

Excellent example of what I meant about ground scheme adjustment.  Very good
work, Marcus!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Rosen" <marcushemma at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:08 PM
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 550 DT and 700TT Audible buzz


> Thanks all for the suggestions, I will now check the osc. and head ground
connection!
>
> For the 700TT, maybe this is the fix: On my 700, (not 700II) a very slight
mains hum on recording was heard above the hiss. It was eliminated by
changing the ground path for the level trimpots on the main PCB. Cut the
copper and connect the ground end for the pots with a piece of wire to the
rec. amp. ground (where the 4 coils are) some centimeters away.
>
> Marcus.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Igritski" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:15 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
>
>
> > I would also like to address the notorious "buzz" issue. I own several
Naks, a good
> > half of which have this very "distant", but nevertheless audible buzz or
hum, that can
> > be clearly heard in a 'playback-with-no-tape' mode against the
background noise or
> > hiss. It's interesting enough, that this buzz is present not only in
'oldies' like my
> > 700TT, but in almost new unused decks like my Dragon as well. Like
Stephen, I do not
> > consider this hum resulting from 400Hz leakage. It seems like coming
from the
> > supply-line (50Hz or something). On my 700TT it gets recorded on tape
(didn't check
> > with other decks yet) and is pretty noticeable at high volumes or with
headphones. On
> > the other hand, I have a pretty hard used BX-2 and 480Z, where this
problem doesn't
> > exist at all - just hiss, no buzz at all. Any ideas where to start
looking at?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Nick
> >
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Dec  7 05:19:43 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:49:43 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
Message-ID: <002401c06004$ecdfcec0$42d60192@vsnl>

My Naks 582/BX1/BX150/Dragon/ BX300 all are dual voltage ( 110/220V)ones
without any Power supply 50/ 100Hz hum ( Buzz). So most probable cause can
be earth retun / signal cable path rarely supply transformer.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audible buzz


>Maybe hum issues are a bit different here in AC120V Land, but I rarely see
>any low level buzz problems.  When I do, it is usually on 700ZXL's, which
>are very sensitive to ground loops, especially when in source monitor,
oddly
>enough.  So, it seems likely to me that these buzzes may be cured with some
>adjustments to how the supply & chassis ground circuits are run.  Also, I
>expect that 220/240VAC power transformers are more likely to contribute
>noise than are 120VAC ones, so some extra shielding, or even making the
>transformer entirely external, would eliminate any such noises.  I'm
>basically shooting in the dark here, though, as I just haven't seen many
>buzzing Naks, as I said.
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
>505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nick Igritski" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:15 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
>
>
>> I would also like to address the notorious "buzz" issue. I own several
>Naks, a good
>> half of which have this very "distant", but nevertheless audible buzz or
>hum, that can
>> be clearly heard in a 'playback-with-no-tape' mode against the background
>noise or
>> hiss. It's interesting enough, that this buzz is present not only in
>'oldies' like my
>> 700TT, but in almost new unused decks like my Dragon as well. Like
>Stephen, I do not
>> consider this hum resulting from 400Hz leakage. It seems like coming from
>the
>> supply-line (50Hz or something). On my 700TT it gets recorded on tape
>(didn't check
>> with other decks yet) and is pretty noticeable at high volumes or with
>headphones. On
>> the other hand, I have a pretty hard used BX-2 and 480Z, where this
>problem doesn't
>> exist at all - just hiss, no buzz at all. Any ideas where to start
looking
>at?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Dec  7 05:01:08 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:01:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
References: <001f01c06003$dd70cee0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <032501c06002$5489ec20$7293bccf@sank1>

The only deficiencies of the Sendust heads is bass rolloff at 25-30Hz,
rather than 12-15Hz, and mildly depressed HF PB response(not so much on the
480/LX-3/RX-303), which is EQ'd on the record amp side in the BX & later
2-heads.  The single capstan 2-head decks are less prone to lose HF with
wear due to not having the pressure pad lifter, so the tape is forced into
the wavy wear areas.
I certainly agree that head wear is last place to look for HF loss, but in
this 482 case, it seems fairly definite.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq


> Stephen
> Even this Sendust head on my BX1, eventhough shows visible wear, had not
> showed significant decrease in hi frequency response during recording /
play
> back. Unless he can record different frequencies on CR4 and try to find
the
> output during play on 482, he may not be able to say whether it is a
> recording problem (either bias adjustment or bad component in record
> circuit) or playback head problem.
> I also find 15+ years old 582 plays and records excellent with worn heads.
> Heads should be last one to suspect - but there are possibilities?
> I am curious about your comparison of Sendust vs Crystalloy heads of two
> head machines - performance in record play. Incidently whatever I recorded
> on BX1 sounds pretty decent on three heads.
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
>
>
> >In my experience, it is very rare to see a 482 or later 3-head Nak with
> >significant head wear, thanks to the simple but incredibly effective &
> >ingenious pad lifter, but it certainly sounds like you have a severely
worn
> >Pb head.  It is possible that the same degree of wear in the record head
> >will not significantly affect performance, but you won't be able to be
sure
> >until you replace the Pb head, if you actually do that.  Buying direct
from
> >Nak Japan, the head should be quite affordable.  Nak USA is about 50
> percent
> >more.
> >BTW, you guys, I have a 482Z on my bench right now, and it is very much a
> >crystal permalloy head, identical to the 582, 680, etc., and not a
Sendust.
> >Hadn't worked on one in a long time, so I had started to doubt my memory.
> >As far as I know, Nak has never made a 3-head with a Sendust Pb head.
Only
> >the R/P head on the 480 & later two heads was Sendust(but NOT the 580,
> which
> >has a crystal permalloy R/P head!).
> >
> >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:44 PM
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
> >
> >
> >> Thank you for the help and responses !
> >>
> >> Stephen, the shaft is now in place and supply roller guide been
> >eye-aligned
> >> ('alignment tape' with only half rear housing) but the HF is still not
> >> there.  Height + azimuth is optimized using 400hz + 15k made on cr4 and
> >> checked through pc soundcard.
> >>
> >> When I compare the looks / width of plateau on the head (to that of the
> >> low-hour CR) .... it is *almost* twice as wide.  Also if I took off the
> >pad
> >> lifter I can see that the head surface is slightly lower than the
extreme
> >> ends.  Shoot ... I forgot Nak provides head slots so that head wear
would
> >be
> >> even, not "curvy" but easily seen on other decks !  Well, there goes my
> >> first venture into d.i.y deck rebuilding.  Anybody has a spare 482 PB
> head
> >?
> >> :-(
> >>
> >> Um, does that mean that record head (which gap is already wider) would
> >need
> >> to be replaced as well ?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Salim Marzuki
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Dec  7 06:20:45 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 00:20:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu> <02bc01c05fa8$34196d80$7293bccf@sank1>
Message-ID: <3A2F1E2A.588E5E2B@snet.net>

Stephen, is a ground buzz a fairly common problem with these decks? Mine does the same
thing with playback. Where are the internal ground points and how are they set up...
perhaps it's time to take a look inside.

Ed

Stephen Sank wrote:

> Out of the several hundred 550's I've worked on, I have never seen that
> 400Hz leakage problem.  Thanks for the info.  As for the intermittent defect
> that slams the limiter, it's probably just a flakey transistor or
> electrolytic cap in the input line amp.
> The "buzz" word suggests something lower in frequency than 400Hz, so we'll
> need a more accurate description.  Either the 400Hz leak or a ground buzz
> would tend to be on playback only, so knowing if it is audibly recorded on a
> tape, or audible while source monitoring during recording would narrow down
> the possibilities.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Merideth" <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
>
> > Marcus,
> >
> > The small buzz may be the 400 Hz test tone, which is powered continuously,
> leaking into the signal path.  I heard, a long time ago, there is a "field
> fix" for this.  I was going to ask Stephen Sank about addressing this
> problem with mine, whenever I got around to sending mine in, which has
> intermittent record problems and the right limiter completely shuts down the
> signal for approximately a second, when activated, then opens back up until
> it's activated again.  I had sent mine back to Nakamichi five (5 !!) times
> complaining of these problems (1982-1986) but to no relief.  I did not find
> out about the fix for the test tone until after I stopped sending it in to
> Nakamichi in California.  They kept telling me everything met factory specs,
> but my ears kept telling me there was about 400 Hz of signal coming from
> somewhere.  The only reason I can think of for having the 400 Hz oscillator
> going all the time; so it will be stable for setting levels for Dolby.  If
> the tone is not stab!
> > le, the levels will be slightly off for proper tracking of the Dolby
> circuit.  Don't forget, there is a complete PCB (printed circuit board) just
> for the Dolby circuit!  The unit should be powered up at least 15 minutes
> before setting Dolby levels.  It usually took me about 20 minutes to set up
> the mics, cables & stands and get them taped down, before I was ready to
> check levels.  By the way, you'll notice the buzz is NOT recorded on the
> tape.  That's the only thing that kept me from getting rid of the 550 when
> "Nakamichi" kept telling me it met specs.  It just keeps you from being able
> to use the 550 as the player for any dubs you want to do, because the tone
> IS recorded on the copy decks, provided their electronics are quiet enough
> to keep from masking the tone out.  My level is about 45-50 dB down from 0
> dB reference level.  Otherwise, I have loved the quality of sound the 550
> has given me since 1976.  Maybe Stephen can reply to this dilemma.
> >
> > Kent Merideth (Indiana, U.S.A.)
> >
> > >>> marcushemma at hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:37PM >>>
> > I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but noticable
> above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.
> >
> > I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any success. The
> only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw. the
> drive mechanics and the electronics.
> >
> > Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?
> >
> > Thankful for sharing experience,
> >
> > Marcus.
> >
> >
> >
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From enoyes at snet.net  Thu Dec  7 06:25:52 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 00:25:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
References: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu> <02bc01c05fa8$34196d80$7293bccf@sank1> <3A2E905F.C814EC42@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <3A2F1F5D.1A318002@snet.net>

Of course I've noticed a distinct buzz with just about any deck when positioned to close
to a digital source. My CR7A must be at least a foot or more away from the CD player and
recorder. Judging from the number of third party tapes I have with this kind of noise, I
wouldn't be suprised if many people out there just don't realize the amount of radiation
that digital gear produces... and the effect on nearby tape decks.

Ed

Nick Igritski wrote:

> I would also like to address the notorious "buzz" issue. I own several Naks, a good
> half of which have this very "distant", but nevertheless audible buzz or hum, that can
> be clearly heard in a 'playback-with-no-tape' mode against the background noise or
> hiss. It's interesting enough, that this buzz is present not only in 'oldies' like my
> 700TT, but in almost new unused decks like my Dragon as well. Like Stephen, I do not
> consider this hum resulting from 400Hz leakage. It seems like coming from the
> supply-line (50Hz or something). On my 700TT it gets recorded on tape (didn't check
> with other decks yet) and is pretty noticeable at high volumes or with headphones. On
> the other hand, I have a pretty hard used BX-2 and 480Z, where this problem doesn't
> exist at all - just hiss, no buzz at all. Any ideas where to start looking at?
>
> Thanks
>
> Nick
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Dec  7 07:01:58 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:01:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu> <02bc01c05fa8$34196d80$7293bccf@sank1> <3A2F1E2A.588E5E2B@snet.net>
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In my experience, no, buzz is not common on 550's.  Off hand, I can't think
of what might be a common cause.  However, if the buzz exists with battery
operation & no connections to other equipment, it is likely a fault in the
DC-DC converter/servo drive box.  Otherwise, usually ground loops caused by
poor connections somewhere, e.g., grounding screws, PCB edge connectors, or
dirt-induced leakage between contacts in the R/P function slide switch.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem


> Stephen, is a ground buzz a fairly common problem with these decks? Mine
does the same
> thing with playback. Where are the internal ground points and how are they
set up...
> perhaps it's time to take a look inside.
>
> Ed
>
> Stephen Sank wrote:
>
> > Out of the several hundred 550's I've worked on, I have never seen that
> > 400Hz leakage problem.  Thanks for the info.  As for the intermittent
defect
> > that slams the limiter, it's probably just a flakey transistor or
> > electrolytic cap in the input line amp.
> > The "buzz" word suggests something lower in frequency than 400Hz, so
we'll
> > need a more accurate description.  Either the 400Hz leak or a ground
buzz
> > would tend to be on playback only, so knowing if it is audibly recorded
on a
> > tape, or audible while source monitoring during recording would narrow
down
> > the possibilities.
> >
> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kent Merideth" <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
> >
> > > Marcus,
> > >
> > > The small buzz may be the 400 Hz test tone, which is powered
continuously,
> > leaking into the signal path.  I heard, a long time ago, there is a
"field
> > fix" for this.  I was going to ask Stephen Sank about addressing this
> > problem with mine, whenever I got around to sending mine in, which has
> > intermittent record problems and the right limiter completely shuts down
the
> > signal for approximately a second, when activated, then opens back up
until
> > it's activated again.  I had sent mine back to Nakamichi five (5 !!)
times
> > complaining of these problems (1982-1986) but to no relief.  I did not
find
> > out about the fix for the test tone until after I stopped sending it in
to
> > Nakamichi in California.  They kept telling me everything met factory
specs,
> > but my ears kept telling me there was about 400 Hz of signal coming from
> > somewhere.  The only reason I can think of for having the 400 Hz
oscillator
> > going all the time; so it will be stable for setting levels for Dolby.
If
> > the tone is not stab!
> > > le, the levels will be slightly off for proper tracking of the Dolby
> > circuit.  Don't forget, there is a complete PCB (printed circuit board)
just
> > for the Dolby circuit!  The unit should be powered up at least 15
minutes
> > before setting Dolby levels.  It usually took me about 20 minutes to set
up
> > the mics, cables & stands and get them taped down, before I was ready to
> > check levels.  By the way, you'll notice the buzz is NOT recorded on the
> > tape.  That's the only thing that kept me from getting rid of the 550
when
> > "Nakamichi" kept telling me it met specs.  It just keeps you from being
able
> > to use the 550 as the player for any dubs you want to do, because the
tone
> > IS recorded on the copy decks, provided their electronics are quiet
enough
> > to keep from masking the tone out.  My level is about 45-50 dB down from
0
> > dB reference level.  Otherwise, I have loved the quality of sound the
550
> > has given me since 1976.  Maybe Stephen can reply to this dilemma.
> > >
> > > Kent Merideth (Indiana, U.S.A.)
> > >
> > > >>> marcushemma at hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:37PM >>>
> > > I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but
noticable
> > above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.
> > >
> > > I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any success.
The
> > only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw. the
> > drive mechanics and the electronics.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?
> > >
> > > Thankful for sharing experience,
> > >
> > > Marcus.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Dec  7 07:38:06 2000
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:38:06 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
Message-ID: <001801c06018$43cc06a0$1e1a9bca@default>

Hi Kannan,

PB Eq is at 120 us with normal homebrew test tape.  I also experienced worn
sony with better highs .. that's why I had confidence with this old 482 and
suspected something wrong in the pb eq amp - as the bias osc 'orange caps'
had already gone bad.

I recorded 400, 15k tones and a sweep from 20-20k on CR (0 db led meter @400
hz) thru pc soundcard / cooledit and read the freq .resp. curve using
spectrum anl program on same pc.  This rec-pb response 'test' measured very
well with the original CR (flat up to 17-18k) and even quite good with the
sony (13-14k) but rolled off at early 9-10k with 482.  :-(

I can't say there's any problem with 482 record mode yet since the pb part
is not right in the first place ... the bias pot is only for record mode
isn't it ?  I wonder if the L / inductor in pb amp (for bias trap ?) could
possibly caused / correct this.  I really wish I don't have to replace the
pb head - anyway, do you think a restored 482 could achieve comparable sonic
quality to cr4/3 ?

BTW, I contacted Naoko re: SR4 tuning coil and somehow she forwarded my
inquiry to Nak HK then I received email from Nak HK to place the order thru
local distributor / auth. service.  Now I'm waiting for the local dist to
check if they can order the coil from japan.  Oh my ...  Wish I have the
'Stephen Sank cure' option here in jakarta !

Cheers,
Salim Marzuki

----

From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq

Stephen
Even this Sendust head on my BX1, eventhough shows visible wear, had not
showed significant decrease in hi frequency response during recording / play
back. Unless he can record different frequencies on CR4 and try to find the
output during play on 482, he may not be able to say whether it is a
recording problem (either bias adjustment or bad component in record
circuit) or playback head problem.
I also find 15+ years old 582 plays and records excellent with worn heads.
Heads should be last one to suspect - but there are possibilities?

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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Dec  7 07:48:12 2000
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:48:12 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
Message-ID: <002101c06019$ab538400$1e1a9bca@default>

Hi Kannan and Stephen,

I forgot to ask the pb and rec head type of 482 ...  The same P-8L / R-8L
crystal permalloy as in 582 (GA02034A and GA01050A) ?

Thanks again for your help !
Salim SM



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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Dec  7 10:01:55 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:31:55 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
Message-ID: <007501c0602c$5b6a6220$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Salim
Are you sure that your PC sound card has a problem when sampling the out put
of 482. Please use True RMS volt meter or an oscilloscope to check the
output of 482. However if there is a severe roll off above  10 Khz I feel
Stephen is ( he is 200% correct all the time!) right in assessing that your
482 may need replacement head.
Kannan

-----Original Message-----
From: Salim Marzuki <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq


>Hi Kannan,
>
>PB Eq is at 120 us with normal homebrew test tape.  I also experienced worn
>sony with better highs .. that's why I had confidence with this old 482 and
>suspected something wrong in the pb eq amp - as the bias osc 'orange caps'
>had already gone bad.
>
>I recorded 400, 15k tones and a sweep from 20-20k on CR (0 db led meter
@400
>hz) thru pc soundcard / cooledit and read the freq .resp. curve using
>spectrum anl program on same pc.  This rec-pb response 'test' measured very
>well with the original CR (flat up to 17-18k) and even quite good with the
>sony (13-14k) but rolled off at early 9-10k with 482.  :-(
>
>I can't say there's any problem with 482 record mode yet since the pb part
>is not right in the first place ... the bias pot is only for record mode
>isn't it ?  I wonder if the L / inductor in pb amp (for bias trap ?) could
>possibly caused / correct this.  I really wish I don't have to replace the
>pb head - anyway, do you think a restored 482 could achieve comparable
sonic
>quality to cr4/3 ?
>
>BTW, I contacted Naoko re: SR4 tuning coil and somehow she forwarded my
>inquiry to Nak HK then I received email from Nak HK to place the order thru
>local distributor / auth. service.  Now I'm waiting for the local dist to
>check if they can order the coil from japan.  Oh my ...  Wish I have the
>'Stephen Sank cure' option here in jakarta !
>
>Cheers,
>Salim Marzuki
>
>----
>
>From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
>
>Stephen
>Even this Sendust head on my BX1, eventhough shows visible wear, had not
>showed significant decrease in hi frequency response during recording /
play
>back. Unless he can record different frequencies on CR4 and try to find the
>output during play on 482, he may not be able to say whether it is a
>recording problem (either bias adjustment or bad component in record
>circuit) or playback head problem.
>I also find 15+ years old 582 plays and records excellent with worn heads.
>Heads should be last one to suspect - but there are possibilities?
>
><snip>
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Dec  7 09:51:05 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 01:51:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
References: <001801c06018$43cc06a0$1e1a9bca@default>
Message-ID: <03f501c0602a$d62648a0$7293bccf@sank1>

The 482 should be clearly nearly equal to the CR-4 in both sonics &
measurements, save higher wow/flutter.  Although you should be doing HF
testing at -20dB, the rolloff is too severe compared to the CR-4 for that to
account for the poor measurements.  The bias trap coils, unless they are the
first defective ones I have ever heard of, cannot cause that much rolloff,
no matter how mis-adjusted.
As long as your bias adjustments are not too far off(to get near good
without good HF pb, record 400Hz at 0VU, then adjust bias trimmers to where
you have just less than maximum amplitude pb signal, on the "more bias" side
of the peak level), you can record a sweep on the 482, then play it back on
the CR-4.  If the response of that tape does not have much HF rolloff, then
your record head is OK.
The rec & pb heads are the same as for the 582.

P.S.:  I consider the SR-4 to be the best sounding receiver(esp as
amp/preamp) ever made, without exception.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq


> Hi Kannan,
>
> PB Eq is at 120 us with normal homebrew test tape.  I also experienced
worn
> sony with better highs .. that's why I had confidence with this old 482
and
> suspected something wrong in the pb eq amp - as the bias osc 'orange caps'
> had already gone bad.
>
> I recorded 400, 15k tones and a sweep from 20-20k on CR (0 db led meter
@400
> hz) thru pc soundcard / cooledit and read the freq .resp. curve using
> spectrum anl program on same pc.  This rec-pb response 'test' measured
very
> well with the original CR (flat up to 17-18k) and even quite good with the
> sony (13-14k) but rolled off at early 9-10k with 482.  :-(
>
> I can't say there's any problem with 482 record mode yet since the pb part
> is not right in the first place ... the bias pot is only for record mode
> isn't it ?  I wonder if the L / inductor in pb amp (for bias trap ?) could
> possibly caused / correct this.  I really wish I don't have to replace the
> pb head - anyway, do you think a restored 482 could achieve comparable
sonic
> quality to cr4/3 ?
>
> BTW, I contacted Naoko re: SR4 tuning coil and somehow she forwarded my
> inquiry to Nak HK then I received email from Nak HK to place the order
thru
> local distributor / auth. service.  Now I'm waiting for the local dist to
> check if they can order the coil from japan.  Oh my ...  Wish I have the
> 'Stephen Sank cure' option here in jakarta !
>
> Cheers,
> Salim Marzuki
>
> ----
>
> From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
>
> Stephen
> Even this Sendust head on my BX1, eventhough shows visible wear, had not
> showed significant decrease in hi frequency response during recording /
play
> back. Unless he can record different frequencies on CR4 and try to find
the
> output during play on 482, he may not be able to say whether it is a
> recording problem (either bias adjustment or bad component in record
> circuit) or playback head problem.
> I also find 15+ years old 582 plays and records excellent with worn heads.
> Heads should be last one to suspect - but there are possibilities?
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Thu Dec  7 22:53:02 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:53:02 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
References: <001f01c06003$dd70cee0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <3A3006BE.39348029@com2com.ru>

Good point, Kannan!

I concur with you, that Salim has to read the overall Frequency Response (both just
Playback and Recording/Playback!) of his deck (20Hz-20kHz), whereafter we will be
presumably able to move a step further in finding a key to the problem. I do also have
a Nak with rec./pb head worn as hell from the look, but it's nevertheless almost flat
even at the high end!

BTW, I have made a very convenient Excel-sheet representing this notorious grid you get
while reading Frequency Response with the help of a variplotter. One has then to just
perform respective measurements and put the dots against respective frequencies, then
print the thing out to get a good pictorial diagram. Not a big deal, but very
convenient. If someone's interested, I can provide you with a copy.

Nick



"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Stephen
> Even this Sendust head on my BX1, eventhough shows visible wear, had not
> showed significant decrease in hi frequency response during recording / play
> back. Unless he can record different frequencies on CR4 and try to find the
> output during play on 482, he may not be able to say whether it is a
> recording problem (either bias adjustment or bad component in record
> circuit) or playback head problem.
> I also find 15+ years old 582 plays and records excellent with worn heads.
> Heads should be last one to suspect - but there are possibilities?
> I am curious about your comparison of Sendust vs Crystalloy heads of two
> head machines - performance in record play. Incidently whatever I recorded
> on BX1 sounds pretty decent on three heads.
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
>
> >In my experience, it is very rare to see a 482 or later 3-head Nak with
> >significant head wear, thanks to the simple but incredibly effective &
> >ingenious pad lifter, but it certainly sounds like you have a severely worn
> >Pb head.  It is possible that the same degree of wear in the record head
> >will not significantly affect performance, but you won't be able to be sure
> >until you replace the Pb head, if you actually do that.  Buying direct from
> >Nak Japan, the head should be quite affordable.  Nak USA is about 50
> percent
> >more.
> >BTW, you guys, I have a 482Z on my bench right now, and it is very much a
> >crystal permalloy head, identical to the 582, 680, etc., and not a Sendust.
> >Hadn't worked on one in a long time, so I had started to doubt my memory.
> >As far as I know, Nak has never made a 3-head with a Sendust Pb head.  Only
> >the R/P head on the 480 & later two heads was Sendust(but NOT the 580,
> which
> >has a crystal permalloy R/P head!).
> >
> >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> >Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Salim Marzuki" <smarzuki at indosat.net.id>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:44 PM
> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
> >
> >
> >> Thank you for the help and responses !
> >>
> >> Stephen, the shaft is now in place and supply roller guide been
> >eye-aligned
> >> ('alignment tape' with only half rear housing) but the HF is still not
> >> there.  Height + azimuth is optimized using 400hz + 15k made on cr4 and
> >> checked through pc soundcard.
> >>
> >> When I compare the looks / width of plateau on the head (to that of the
> >> low-hour CR) .... it is *almost* twice as wide.  Also if I took off the
> >pad
> >> lifter I can see that the head surface is slightly lower than the extreme
> >> ends.  Shoot ... I forgot Nak provides head slots so that head wear would
> >be
> >> even, not "curvy" but easily seen on other decks !  Well, there goes my
> >> first venture into d.i.y deck rebuilding.  Anybody has a spare 482 PB
> head
> >?
> >> :-(
> >>
> >> Um, does that mean that record head (which gap is already wider) would
> >need
> >> to be replaced as well ?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Salim Marzuki
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Thu Dec  7 13:22:21 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:22:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
Message-ID: <sa2f3acf.008@WORF.anderson.edu>

Stephen,

My bad.  I call 50-60 Hz noise a hum and 400 Hz noise a buzz, as in bee or fly.  The source of the field fix for the "always on" 400 Hz oscillator was an old issue of Audio Amateur.  If I remember correctly, the actual procedure was not mentioned, but the cause was identified.  The writer of the article had access to a spectrum analyzer and found the frequency of the noise source that way.  I only had my ears.  Just cracking the headphone level open, enough to hear the 400 Hz Dolby level tone, told me the buzz was approximately the same frequency.  Sorry for the confusion in terminology.

Kent  

>>> stephen_sank at rjknet.net 12/06/00 12:15PM >>>
Out of the several hundred 550's I've worked on, I have never seen that
400Hz leakage problem.  Thanks for the info.  As for the intermittent defect
that slams the limiter, it's probably just a flakey transistor or
electrolytic cap in the input line amp.
The "buzz" word suggests something lower in frequency than 400Hz, so we'll
need a more accurate description.  Either the 400Hz leak or a ground buzz
would tend to be on playback only, so knowing if it is audibly recorded on a
tape, or audible while source monitoring during recording would narrow down
the possibilities.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm 
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Merideth" <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem


> Marcus,
>
> The small buzz may be the 400 Hz test tone, which is powered continuously,
leaking into the signal path.  I heard, a long time ago, there is a "field
fix" for this.  I was going to ask Stephen Sank about addressing this
problem with mine, whenever I got around to sending mine in, which has
intermittent record problems and the right limiter completely shuts down the
signal for approximately a second, when activated, then opens back up until
it's activated again.  I had sent mine back to Nakamichi five (5 !!) times
complaining of these problems (1982-1986) but to no relief.  I did not find
out about the fix for the test tone until after I stopped sending it in to
Nakamichi in California.  They kept telling me everything met factory specs,
but my ears kept telling me there was about 400 Hz of signal coming from
somewhere.  The only reason I can think of for having the 400 Hz oscillator
going all the time; so it will be stable for setting levels for Dolby.  If
the tone is not stab!
> le, the levels will be slightly off for proper tracking of the Dolby
circuit.  Don't forget, there is a complete PCB (printed circuit board) just
for the Dolby circuit!  The unit should be powered up at least 15 minutes
before setting Dolby levels.  It usually took me about 20 minutes to set up
the mics, cables & stands and get them taped down, before I was ready to
check levels.  By the way, you'll notice the buzz is NOT recorded on the
tape.  That's the only thing that kept me from getting rid of the 550 when
"Nakamichi" kept telling me it met specs.  It just keeps you from being able
to use the 550 as the player for any dubs you want to do, because the tone
IS recorded on the copy decks, provided their electronics are quiet enough
to keep from masking the tone out.  My level is about 45-50 dB down from 0
dB reference level.  Otherwise, I have loved the quality of sound the 550
has given me since 1976.  Maybe Stephen can reply to this dilemma.
>
> Kent Merideth (Indiana, U.S.A.)
>
> >>> marcushemma at hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:37PM >>>
> I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but noticable
above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.
>
> I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any success. The
only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw. the
drive mechanics and the electronics.
>
> Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?
>
> Thankful for sharing experience,
>
> Marcus.
>
>
>
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Fri Dec  8 01:20:43 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:20:43 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
References: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu> <02bc01c05fa8$34196d80$7293bccf@sank1> <3A2E905F.C814EC42@com2com.ru> <3A2F1F5D.1A318002@snet.net>
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Hi fellow-sufferer,

Frankly, I'm pretty surprised to read that 'digital' has something to do with driving a
'buzz'. A friend of mine, who still does not have an audio rack, has his audio components
just stacked up, where his tape deck is placed right under the CD-player. Even in this case
I have never ever heard any buzz or something resulting from them being so close to each
other. I've heard that the only thing you have to keep all other units as far away as
possible from is an amplifier.

Moreover, I believe that most people on the Nak-list are albeit not as advanced in the realm
of audio electronics as our Stephen or Jeffrey is, but are nevertheless quick-witted enough,
to NOT place their equipment in the vicinity of any strong fields, transformers or
something. Doesn't it come without saying?

For example, my 700TT is almost brand new in terms that it hasn't been used at all before I
got my hands on it. It wasn't tweaked in any way either, which only means there was noone
there who could damage anything within it. It just lied still in somebody's attic sealed!
for many years before the guy decided to sell it. Due to its size it's placed pretty far
away from the rest of equipment in my room, i.e. one can say it stands alone. It has a
dedicated grounding terminal on the top. Doesn't matter whether the ground is connected to
it or not, the damn "distant" buzz persists. Although I ain't a big profi in electronics,
I'm almost convinced that this damned buzz is nothing else than mains leakage in most cases
caused by ageing of some microelement parts like diodes etc.

What do you think?

Nick

Ed Noyes wrote:

> Of course I've noticed a distinct buzz with just about any deck when positioned to close
> to a digital source. My CR7A must be at least a foot or more away from the CD player and
> recorder. Judging from the number of third party tapes I have with this kind of noise, I
> wouldn't be suprised if many people out there just don't realize the amount of radiation
> that digital gear produces... and the effect on nearby tape decks.
>
> Ed
>
> Nick Igritski wrote:
>
> > I would also like to address the notorious "buzz" issue. I own several Naks, a good
> > half of which have this very "distant", but nevertheless audible buzz or hum, that can
> > be clearly heard in a 'playback-with-no-tape' mode against the background noise or
> > hiss. It's interesting enough, that this buzz is present not only in 'oldies' like my
> > 700TT, but in almost new unused decks like my Dragon as well. Like Stephen, I do not
> > consider this hum resulting from 400Hz leakage. It seems like coming from the
> > supply-line (50Hz or something). On my 700TT it gets recorded on tape (didn't check
> > with other decks yet) and is pretty noticeable at high volumes or with headphones. On
> > the other hand, I have a pretty hard used BX-2 and 480Z, where this problem doesn't
> > exist at all - just hiss, no buzz at all. Any ideas where to start looking at?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Nick
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Fri Dec  8 01:33:15 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:33:15 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <sa2f3acf.008@WORF.anderson.edu>
Message-ID: <3A302C4B.E481BD58@com2com.ru>

Kent, you rule! And you know why? You just mentioned the magic words "spectrum analyzer"! I've totally forgotten that I had one. Oh, me stupid... I'll only have to repace some fuses blown and get this 22kg monster back to life. I hope this will shed some light on the origin of the problem.

Thanks Kent and everybody on the Nak-list.

Nick

Kent Merideth wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> My bad.  I call 50-60 Hz noise a hum and 400 Hz noise a buzz, as in bee or fly.  The source of the field fix for the "always on" 400 Hz oscillator was an old issue of Audio Amateur.  If I remember correctly, the actual procedure was not mentioned, but the cause was identified.  The writer of the article had access to a spectrum analyzer and found the frequency of the noise source that way.  I only had my ears.  Just cracking the headphone level open, enough to hear the 400 Hz Dolby level tone, told me the buzz was approximately the same frequency.  Sorry for the confusion in terminology.
>
> Kent
>
> >>> stephen_sank at rjknet.net 12/06/00 12:15PM >>>
> Out of the several hundred 550's I've worked on, I have never seen that
> 400Hz leakage problem.  Thanks for the info.  As for the intermittent defect
> that slams the limiter, it's probably just a flakey transistor or
> electrolytic cap in the input line amp.
> The "buzz" word suggests something lower in frequency than 400Hz, so we'll
> need a more accurate description.  Either the 400Hz leak or a ground buzz
> would tend to be on playback only, so knowing if it is audibly recorded on a
> tape, or audible while source monitoring during recording would narrow down
> the possibilities.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Merideth" <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
>
> > Marcus,
> >
> > The small buzz may be the 400 Hz test tone, which is powered continuously,
> leaking into the signal path.  I heard, a long time ago, there is a "field
> fix" for this.  I was going to ask Stephen Sank about addressing this
> problem with mine, whenever I got around to sending mine in, which has
> intermittent record problems and the right limiter completely shuts down the
> signal for approximately a second, when activated, then opens back up until
> it's activated again.  I had sent mine back to Nakamichi five (5 !!) times
> complaining of these problems (1982-1986) but to no relief.  I did not find
> out about the fix for the test tone until after I stopped sending it in to
> Nakamichi in California.  They kept telling me everything met factory specs,
> but my ears kept telling me there was about 400 Hz of signal coming from
> somewhere.  The only reason I can think of for having the 400 Hz oscillator
> going all the time; so it will be stable for setting levels for Dolby.  If
> the tone is not stab!
> > le, the levels will be slightly off for proper tracking of the Dolby
> circuit.  Don't forget, there is a complete PCB (printed circuit board) just
> for the Dolby circuit!  The unit should be powered up at least 15 minutes
> before setting Dolby levels.  It usually took me about 20 minutes to set up
> the mics, cables & stands and get them taped down, before I was ready to
> check levels.  By the way, you'll notice the buzz is NOT recorded on the
> tape.  That's the only thing that kept me from getting rid of the 550 when
> "Nakamichi" kept telling me it met specs.  It just keeps you from being able
> to use the 550 as the player for any dubs you want to do, because the tone
> IS recorded on the copy decks, provided their electronics are quiet enough
> to keep from masking the tone out.  My level is about 45-50 dB down from 0
> dB reference level.  Otherwise, I have loved the quality of sound the 550
> has given me since 1976.  Maybe Stephen can reply to this dilemma.
> >
> > Kent Merideth (Indiana, U.S.A.)
> >
> > >>> marcushemma at hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:37PM >>>
> > I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but noticable
> above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.
> >
> > I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any success. The
> only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw. the
> drive mechanics and the electronics.
> >
> > Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?
> >
> > Thankful for sharing experience,
> >
> > Marcus.
> >
> >
> >
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From emte at mail.md  Thu Dec  7 15:38:52 2000
From: emte at mail.md (marin turea)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:38:52 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
Message-ID: <E1442CC-0008GY-00@atlas.dnt.md>

sometimes, such a sound can come from the interference caused by the wires that go to the display. open the deck and try to move the wire that connects the board to the display until the buzz disappears (if this is the cause). 

best

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Dec  7 16:20:06 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:20:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
References: <sa2def36.060@WORF.anderson.edu> <02bc01c05fa8$34196d80$7293bccf@sank1> <3A2E905F.C814EC42@com2com.ru> <3A2F1F5D.1A318002@snet.net> <3A30295B.5124BFA2@com2com.ru>
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Hi Nick,

> dedicated grounding terminal on the top. Doesn't matter whether the ground
is connected to
> it or not, the damn "distant" buzz persists. Although I ain't a big profi
in electronics,
> I'm almost convinced that this damned buzz is nothing else than mains
leakage in most cases
> caused by ageing of some microelement parts like diodes etc.
>
> What do you think?

This is very common for deck with DC motors. Let me guess, you can hear the
"buzz"
when you pushing "play" without the tape? The answer is pretty simple - the
gap on playback
head can receive magnetic fields from the motor. But when you installing the
tape
it's simply shorted the gap, and during playback you will be free from motor
"buzz".
To check this you can disconnect motor and then listen for.... noise of the
electronics ;)

Misha

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Dec  7 16:24:41 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:24:41 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <sa2f3acf.008@WORF.anderson.edu> <3A302C4B.E481BD58@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <00e801c06061$dc8e9580$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Nick,

Have you ever heard about program called "SpectraLab"?
As far as you are dealing with Audio Frequencies - it will beat
_ANY_  spectrum analyzer for AF period
And it's not only analizers - it has a lot of features, you can measure
THD and IMD, nose, phase, blah-blah-blah....
I've heard that this program was created by people who used to
work on "spectrum analyzers" department of HP. So now this departmet
is closed - so what I've heard. All the tech should have this program
on their PC.

Misha


> Kent, you rule! And you know why? You just mentioned the magic words
"spectrum analyzer"! I've totally forgotten that I had one. Oh, me stupid...
I'll only have to repace some fuses blown and get this 22kg monster back to
life. I hope this will shed some light on the origin of the problem.
>
> Thanks Kent and everybody on the Nak-list.
>
> Nick


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From smarzuki at indosat.net.id  Thu Dec  7 18:20:44 2000
From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:20:44 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Need help on Nak 482 hi freq
Message-ID: <000d01c06072$08bb3a40$231a9bca@default>

Hi Stephen and Kannan, I really appreciate your guidance !

Yes ... I didn't realize that I could check the record head result thru CR
(blush).  I'll do that right away.

I will contact Naoko again to see if she can send me pb head directly.
Hopefully I can restore this 482 as I really like the 'tuneability' of the
deck.  Used 3 head nak is extra rare here, esp. the x82 series - this is the
first one I've seen in almost 4 years !   Of course having the service
manual (veel bedankt mijnheer Wouter) had a big influence in the buying
decision.  :-)

Best Regards,
Salim Marzuki.

PS: Thanks Mr. Stephen, somehow I got the SR4 back on track by replacing the
inner caps of the tuning coil - using ultra stable plastic-mica caps ... and
now am still amazed at how this receiver sounds very much alike my
'reference' Kenwood !   The power amp section is wonderful ... quite
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From marcushemma at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  7 19:23:00 2000
From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:23:00 +0100
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 550 DT and 700TT Audible buzz
Message-ID: <OE8OMyQlmLFQG101s7h00002252@hotmail.com>

Thanks Stephen!

After learning and learning from naktalk, it is nice to also contributa a little!

Marcus.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 DT and 700TT Audible buzz


> Excellent example of what I meant about ground scheme adjustment.  Very good
> work, Marcus!
> 
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
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> From: "Marcus Rosen" <marcushemma at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:08 PM
> Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 550 DT and 700TT Audible buzz
> 
> 
> > Thanks all for the suggestions, I will now check the osc. and head ground
> connection!
> >
> > For the 700TT, maybe this is the fix: On my 700, (not 700II) a very slight
> mains hum on recording was heard above the hiss. It was eliminated by
> changing the ground path for the level trimpots on the main PCB. Cut the
> copper and connect the ground end for the pots with a piece of wire to the
> rec. amp. ground (where the 4 coils are) some centimeters away.
> >
> > Marcus.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nick Igritski" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:15 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
> >
> >
> > > I would also like to address the notorious "buzz" issue. I own several
> Naks, a good
> > > half of which have this very "distant", but nevertheless audible buzz or
> hum, that can
> > > be clearly heard in a 'playback-with-no-tape' mode against the
> background noise or
> > > hiss. It's interesting enough, that this buzz is present not only in
> 'oldies' like my
> > > 700TT, but in almost new unused decks like my Dragon as well. Like
> Stephen, I do not
> > > consider this hum resulting from 400Hz leakage. It seems like coming
> from the
> > > supply-line (50Hz or something). On my 700TT it gets recorded on tape
> (didn't check
> > > with other decks yet) and is pretty noticeable at high volumes or with
> headphones. On
> > > the other hand, I have a pretty hard used BX-2 and 480Z, where this
> problem doesn't
> > > exist at all - just hiss, no buzz at all. Any ideas where to start
> looking at?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
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From marcushemma at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  7 22:03:12 2000
From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:03:12 +0100
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
Message-ID: <OE15h7jtrSByh133tYw00002209@hotmail.com>

I have now checked the 550 (and my memory) a little more:

-It is not mains hum nor 400Hz tone.
-The screen of the head connections are OK.
-The "sound" is there also whit cassette inserted.
-Since scheilding helps, it must be magnetic noise from somewhere entering the electronis.
The motor is not sheilded (f.ex. on my 700II it is sheilded w. mu-metal). Maybe shielding has been employed on newer serial numbers (mine is 56796).
The schielding betw. the main PCB and the mechanics is already in place (since 1 yr+), so I have not checked if shielding the motor itself helps.
Today (never before) I noticed (vaguely) the noise also in recording, in the headphones during recording as well as on the tape. It dropped in level when shorting the line input, and disappeared when pusching the wires betw. the motor governor and motor away from the input socket!

Marcus.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem


> In my experience, no, buzz is not common on 550's.  Off hand, I can't think
> of what might be a common cause.  However, if the buzz exists with battery
> operation & no connections to other equipment, it is likely a fault in the
> DC-DC converter/servo drive box.  Otherwise, usually ground loops caused by
> poor connections somewhere, e.g., grounding screws, PCB edge connectors, or
> dirt-induced leakage between contacts in the R/P function slide switch.
> 
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
> 
> 
> > Stephen, is a ground buzz a fairly common problem with these decks? Mine
> does the same
> > thing with playback. Where are the internal ground points and how are they
> set up...
> > perhaps it's time to take a look inside.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > Stephen Sank wrote:
> >
> > > Out of the several hundred 550's I've worked on, I have never seen that
> > > 400Hz leakage problem.  Thanks for the info.  As for the intermittent
> defect
> > > that slams the limiter, it's probably just a flakey transistor or
> > > electrolytic cap in the input line amp.
> > > The "buzz" word suggests something lower in frequency than 400Hz, so
> we'll
> > > need a more accurate description.  Either the 400Hz leak or a ground
> buzz
> > > would tend to be on playback only, so knowing if it is audibly recorded
> on a
> > > tape, or audible while source monitoring during recording would narrow
> down
> > > the possibilities.
> > >
> > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kent Merideth" <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
> > >
> > > > Marcus,
> > > >
> > > > The small buzz may be the 400 Hz test tone, which is powered
> continuously,
> > > leaking into the signal path.  I heard, a long time ago, there is a
> "field
> > > fix" for this.  I was going to ask Stephen Sank about addressing this
> > > problem with mine, whenever I got around to sending mine in, which has
> > > intermittent record problems and the right limiter completely shuts down
> the
> > > signal for approximately a second, when activated, then opens back up
> until
> > > it's activated again.  I had sent mine back to Nakamichi five (5 !!)
> times
> > > complaining of these problems (1982-1986) but to no relief.  I did not
> find
> > > out about the fix for the test tone until after I stopped sending it in
> to
> > > Nakamichi in California.  They kept telling me everything met factory
> specs,
> > > but my ears kept telling me there was about 400 Hz of signal coming from
> > > somewhere.  The only reason I can think of for having the 400 Hz
> oscillator
> > > going all the time; so it will be stable for setting levels for Dolby.
> If
> > > the tone is not stab!
> > > > le, the levels will be slightly off for proper tracking of the Dolby
> > > circuit.  Don't forget, there is a complete PCB (printed circuit board)
> just
> > > for the Dolby circuit!  The unit should be powered up at least 15
> minutes
> > > before setting Dolby levels.  It usually took me about 20 minutes to set
> up
> > > the mics, cables & stands and get them taped down, before I was ready to
> > > check levels.  By the way, you'll notice the buzz is NOT recorded on the
> > > tape.  That's the only thing that kept me from getting rid of the 550
> when
> > > "Nakamichi" kept telling me it met specs.  It just keeps you from being
> able
> > > to use the 550 as the player for any dubs you want to do, because the
> tone
> > > IS recorded on the copy decks, provided their electronics are quiet
> enough
> > > to keep from masking the tone out.  My level is about 45-50 dB down from
> 0
> > > dB reference level.  Otherwise, I have loved the quality of sound the
> 550
> > > has given me since 1976.  Maybe Stephen can reply to this dilemma.
> > > >
> > > > Kent Merideth (Indiana, U.S.A.)
> > > >
> > > > >>> marcushemma at hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:37PM >>>
> > > > I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but
> noticable
> > > above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.
> > > >
> > > > I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any success.
> The
> > > only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw. the
> > > drive mechanics and the electronics.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?
> > > >
> > > > Thankful for sharing experience,
> > > >
> > > > Marcus.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Dec  7 22:49:26 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:49:26 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <OE15h7jtrSByh133tYw00002209@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001601c06097$93ca22c0$0100007f@localhost>

> Today (never before) I noticed (vaguely) the noise also in recording, in
the headphones during recording as well as on the tape. It dropped in level
when shorting the line input, and disappeared when pusching the wires betw.
the motor governor and motor away from the input socket!

Hi Marcus,

Try to apply some pressing by finger to motor during playback. If the tone
will be shange
with speed of the motor - so you have problem with magnetic fields. One of
the way of
geting rid of the such a "buzz" - try to rotate motor in it's housing - so
the poluses of
the fields will be rotating and you should find the position when "buzz"
will be lesser.
The second reasons - check the capasitors on motor powering circuit (I'm not
familiar with 550 schematic) and there may be capacitor on motor boardas
well.
One more (ceramic type) should bypass the contact points inside the motor -
if it went bad than there will be exxessive sparkling on the points - one
more reasons for
motor caused buzz.

Misha

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Dec  8 02:36:48 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:36:48 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <OE15h7jtrSByh133tYw00002209@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <047501c060b7$5542d9a0$7293bccf@sank1>

You're definitely getting radiant noise from the motor and/or motor governor
lines.  Misha has given you some very good advice.  Also, if you have access
to mu-metal, shielding the motor is never a bad thing.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Ros�n" <marcushemma at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:03 PM
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem


> I have now checked the 550 (and my memory) a little more:
>
> -It is not mains hum nor 400Hz tone.
> -The screen of the head connections are OK.
> -The "sound" is there also whit cassette inserted.
> -Since scheilding helps, it must be magnetic noise from somewhere entering
the electronis.
> The motor is not sheilded (f.ex. on my 700II it is sheilded w. mu-metal).
Maybe shielding has been employed on newer serial numbers (mine is 56796).
> The schielding betw. the main PCB and the mechanics is already in place
(since 1 yr+), so I have not checked if shielding the motor itself helps.
> Today (never before) I noticed (vaguely) the noise also in recording, in
the headphones during recording as well as on the tape. It dropped in level
when shorting the line input, and disappeared when pusching the wires betw.
the motor governor and motor away from the input socket!
>
> Marcus.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
>
>
> > In my experience, no, buzz is not common on 550's.  Off hand, I can't
think
> > of what might be a common cause.  However, if the buzz exists with
battery
> > operation & no connections to other equipment, it is likely a fault in
the
> > DC-DC converter/servo drive box.  Otherwise, usually ground loops caused
by
> > poor connections somewhere, e.g., grounding screws, PCB edge connectors,
or
> > dirt-induced leakage between contacts in the R/P function slide switch.
> >
> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
> >
> >
> > > Stephen, is a ground buzz a fairly common problem with these decks?
Mine
> > does the same
> > > thing with playback. Where are the internal ground points and how are
they
> > set up...
> > > perhaps it's time to take a look inside.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > Stephen Sank wrote:
> > >
> > > > Out of the several hundred 550's I've worked on, I have never seen
that
> > > > 400Hz leakage problem.  Thanks for the info.  As for the
intermittent
> > defect
> > > > that slams the limiter, it's probably just a flakey transistor or
> > > > electrolytic cap in the input line amp.
> > > > The "buzz" word suggests something lower in frequency than 400Hz, so
> > we'll
> > > > need a more accurate description.  Either the 400Hz leak or a ground
> > buzz
> > > > would tend to be on playback only, so knowing if it is audibly
recorded
> > on a
> > > > tape, or audible while source monitoring during recording would
narrow
> > down
> > > > the possibilities.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> > > > http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> > > > 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
> > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
> > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com:
> > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kent Merideth" <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
> > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
> > > >
> > > > > Marcus,
> > > > >
> > > > > The small buzz may be the 400 Hz test tone, which is powered
> > continuously,
> > > > leaking into the signal path.  I heard, a long time ago, there is a
> > "field
> > > > fix" for this.  I was going to ask Stephen Sank about addressing
this
> > > > problem with mine, whenever I got around to sending mine in, which
has
> > > > intermittent record problems and the right limiter completely shuts
down
> > the
> > > > signal for approximately a second, when activated, then opens back
up
> > until
> > > > it's activated again.  I had sent mine back to Nakamichi five (5 !!)
> > times
> > > > complaining of these problems (1982-1986) but to no relief.  I did
not
> > find
> > > > out about the fix for the test tone until after I stopped sending it
in
> > to
> > > > Nakamichi in California.  They kept telling me everything met
factory
> > specs,
> > > > but my ears kept telling me there was about 400 Hz of signal coming
from
> > > > somewhere.  The only reason I can think of for having the 400 Hz
> > oscillator
> > > > going all the time; so it will be stable for setting levels for
Dolby.
> > If
> > > > the tone is not stab!
> > > > > le, the levels will be slightly off for proper tracking of the
Dolby
> > > > circuit.  Don't forget, there is a complete PCB (printed circuit
board)
> > just
> > > > for the Dolby circuit!  The unit should be powered up at least 15
> > minutes
> > > > before setting Dolby levels.  It usually took me about 20 minutes to
set
> > up
> > > > the mics, cables & stands and get them taped down, before I was
ready to
> > > > check levels.  By the way, you'll notice the buzz is NOT recorded on
the
> > > > tape.  That's the only thing that kept me from getting rid of the
550
> > when
> > > > "Nakamichi" kept telling me it met specs.  It just keeps you from
being
> > able
> > > > to use the 550 as the player for any dubs you want to do, because
the
> > tone
> > > > IS recorded on the copy decks, provided their electronics are quiet
> > enough
> > > > to keep from masking the tone out.  My level is about 45-50 dB down
from
> > 0
> > > > dB reference level.  Otherwise, I have loved the quality of sound
the
> > 550
> > > > has given me since 1976.  Maybe Stephen can reply to this dilemma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kent Merideth (Indiana, U.S.A.)
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> marcushemma at hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:37PM >>>
> > > > > I have a small "buzz" sound on PB in my 550, not very loud but
> > noticable
> > > > above the hiss-level. I think it comes from the motor.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have tried to decouple the supply here and there, w/o any
success.
> > The
> > > > only way to get rid of it, seems to be putting a metal screen betw.
the
> > > > drive mechanics and the electronics.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have a more elegant "fix" for this problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thankful for sharing experience,
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcus.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Fri Dec  8 14:17:41 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:17:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Manuals and Ad Sheets, Mint!,  eBay #1200432094
Message-ID: <sa309951.014@WORF.anderson.edu>

Wouter,

I almost bid on these until I saw you were the high bidder.  Have not gotten into scanning documents yet, so better you got these items.  In fact, I still don't have a PC at home yet!  Do you have any recommendations of items to look for, and, most important of all, to avoid?  I'm very thankful you have taken the time to develop the naks.com site.  Keep up the good work!

Happy Holidays!

Kent Merideth

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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Sat Dec  9 01:35:19 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:35:19 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
References: <200012062157.IAA05977@necagmx.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <3A317E47.35737DAB@com2com.ru>

Hi all,

in search of the origin of the buzz I made some measurements on my 700TT with a
spectrum analyser and discovered the following:
when erasing a tape and checking the output I found three evident peaks sticking out
approx. 10dB over the noise floor, namely:

50Hz, 150Hz (even slightly more intense than the first harmonic!) and 250Hz (slightly
less intense that the first harmonic).

Then I took a cassette without that iron plate located right under the pressure pad and
erased it. The buzz was almost inaudible! Took another random cassette with iron plate
inside - the buzz came back again! Tried erasing of both cassettes with another
"buzz-free" Nak - the buzz didn't show up.

Any suggestions, tips?

Nick
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Dec  8 16:02:12 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:02:12 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz
References: <200012062157.IAA05977@necagmx.neca.nec.com.au> <3A317E47.35737DAB@com2com.ru>
Message-ID: <051401c06127$d9086a00$7293bccf@sank1>

Wow.  I guess the un-grounded metal plate in the cassette is acting as an
antenna/re-radiator, rather than as a shield.  I must say that I don't have
any ideas on that at the moment.  I guess you'll just have to install a
grounding wire into every cassette you have with the plate!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ]
505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick" <nikkki at com2com.ru>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:35 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Audible buzz


> Hi all,
>
> in search of the origin of the buzz I made some measurements on my 700TT
with a
> spectrum analyser and discovered the following:
> when erasing a tape and checking the output I found three evident peaks
sticking out
> approx. 10dB over the noise floor, namely:
>
> 50Hz, 150Hz (even slightly more intense than the first harmonic!) and
250Hz (slightly
> less intense that the first harmonic).
>
> Then I took a cassette without that iron plate located right under the
pressure pad and
> erased it. The buzz was almost inaudible! Took another random cassette
with iron plate
> inside - the buzz came back again! Tried erasing of both cassettes with
another
> "buzz-free" Nak - the buzz didn't show up.
>
> Any suggestions, tips?
>
> Nick
>


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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Sat Dec  9 21:07:00 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:07:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
In-Reply-To: <3A2B8E30.10AC3F93@sunint.co.za>
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJKEGCCFAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>

I just got off the phone from placing an order with Total Media
(www.protape.com), and he confirmed that the Maxell XLIIS line is
discontinued.  They no longer have any XLIIS-60 tapes left, but they still
have a stock of 90 minute tapes.  I ordered two cartons plus some other
Quantegy GP-9 reels and TDK SMX-90 professional cassettes (Their top of the
line meant for the professionals).  They have a very good price for the
XLIIS-90 tapes: $1.50 each! You can download their catalogue pdf file from
their site.

This may be our last opportunity to stock up at this price.  He said they
have some stock, but once it's gone, it's gone!

Maxell will continue making their XLII line of cassettes.  If you want to
order direct, call 1-800-776-8273.

Roland


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  9 17:33:06 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:33:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
References: <003201c05f3f$226b2740$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE350qPzg9uV54O0000057e@hotmail.com>

Kannan,
It was about thee years ago, I was killing my 582 bias oscillator this way,
by disconnecting the erase head while the deck was recording.
It sound to me as a strange advice.  ?

Matyas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?


- you can remove the erase
head out of the circuit by removing this connector out of the socket and
check the wave form across these two points  on the mother board .( of
course you can do that without removing connectors from the PCB trace side.
Keep empty cassette inside to get to record play mode) You will see 105 Khz
sine wave about 60 V Peak to Peak or more across. Sixty volts ! You will
also see very clean wave form. If you do not see this your oscillator is not
working. Across play head ( record play mode) you will see more than 10 V
peak to peak for normal tape itself  ( record mode applies bias voltage of
around 4 V RMS or more on play/ record head. Since you  do not seem to have
this, Bias Oscillator itself may not be oscillating.
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sun Dec 10 05:53:18 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:23:18 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
Message-ID: <000d01c06265$1dbb3180$42d60192@vsnl>

I do not understand how you can kill the Bias Oscillator. In fact, I had
tested this on my 582! BX300 and Dragon ! Generally remove the connector
before going to Record mode as you should not short the connection while
removing -
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Matyas <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, December 10, 2000 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?


>Kannan,
>It was about thee years ago, I was killing my 582 bias oscillator this way,
>by disconnecting the erase head while the deck was recording.
>It sound to me as a strange advice.  ?
>
>Matyas
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:43 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
>
>
>- you can remove the erase
>head out of the circuit by removing this connector out of the socket and
>check the wave form across these two points  on the mother board .( of
>course you can do that without removing connectors from the PCB trace side.
>Keep empty cassette inside to get to record play mode) You will see 105 Khz
>sine wave about 60 V Peak to Peak or more across. Sixty volts ! You will
>also see very clean wave form. If you do not see this your oscillator is
not
>working. Across play head ( record play mode) you will see more than 10 V
>peak to peak for normal tape itself  ( record mode applies bias voltage of
>around 4 V RMS or more on play/ record head. Since you  do not seem to have
>this, Bias Oscillator itself may not be oscillating.
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Dec 11 00:32:51 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:32:51 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c06265$1dbb3180$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.001211003251.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Kannan and Matyas,

On 10-Dec-00 Kannan. S wrote:
>  I do not understand how you can kill the Bias Oscillator. In fact, I had
>  tested this on my 582! BX300 and Dragon ! Generally remove the connector
>  before going to Record mode as you should not short the connection while
>  removing -

Hmm.... when I'm supposed to put 0.1 Ohm parallel to the head to get the bias
current measured there I suppose the head has a low resistance as well. So the
oscillator could produce a high voltage without the load of the head. This could
damage internal part of the oscillator, maybe? 

Until you discussed that out I'll go and bake some christmas cookies
(Pfefferkuchen). 

And I fear I'll have to keep my fingers on the keyboard (a lot of work) instead of
fiddling with potentiometers until after christmas. But I will watch all the hints
and try them as soon as I have the time again.

K.-H.

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E-Mail: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Mon Dec 11 04:51:16 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:21:16 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?
Message-ID: <000c01c06325$b86d8960$42d60192@vsnl>

No Hermann
not in parellel
You have to connect the resistor ( 0.1 Ohm)in series!
to measure current as per sercvice manual
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Cc: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, December 11, 2000 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX150: Bias-Signal?


>Hi Kannan and Matyas,
>
>On 10-Dec-00 Kannan. S wrote:
>>  I do not understand how you can kill the Bias Oscillator. In fact, I had
>>  tested this on my 582! BX300 and Dragon ! Generally remove the connector
>>  before going to Record mode as you should not short the connection while
>>  removing -
>
>Hmm.... when I'm supposed to put 0.1 Ohm parallel to the head to get the
bias
>current measured there I suppose the head has a low resistance as well. So
the
>oscillator could produce a high voltage without the load of the head. This
could
>damage internal part of the oscillator, maybe?
>
>Until you discussed that out I'll go and bake some christmas cookies
>(Pfefferkuchen).
>
>And I fear I'll have to keep my fingers on the keyboard (a lot of work)
instead of
>fiddling with potentiometers until after christmas. But I will watch all
the hints
>and try them as soon as I have the time again.
>
>K.-H.
>
>-----------------------------
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>E-Mail: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Mon Dec 11 05:31:18 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:31:18 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
Message-ID: <80.40f9846.2765b296@aol.com>

Hi Brian,

I haven't heard from you in some time, how are you?

-Sam
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Mon Dec 11 05:38:57 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:38:57 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII-S and Maxell MX-S - Discontinuation
Message-ID: <b8.eea4549.2765b461@aol.com>

Wow, what does this mean for us cassette tape enthusiast?  The XL-II was in 
most opinions the best all-around performing cassette tape available.  I'm 
really sad now...

-Sam
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From SBarr12393 at aol.com  Mon Dec 11 06:16:59 2000
From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:16:59 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Online Source For Tapes
Message-ID: <6d.ca62dce.2765bd4b@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/4/00 9:27:13 PM Central Standard Time, 
ruajw2 at idirect.com writes:

<< http://www.tapeworld.com/products.htm#IV >>
Thanks!
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From marcushemma at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 11 18:55:04 2000
From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (Marcus Rosen)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:55:04 +0100
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
Message-ID: <OE112duiiQ03FcDddXA00002ff0@hotmail.com>

Thanks to all for the suggestions!
Now, 2 ceramics and 3 hours later, the machine is more quiet than ever!
(My father bought this machine in 1976. It was my first nakamichi experience and we are still friends...)
Mant thanks, Marcus.
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Galin" <eslabs at snet.net>
To: <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>; <marcushemma at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem


> Smart Nakers,
> 
> Well, I have just been reading and not sharing my thoughts until now.
> 
> Now that Misha has found the right place, here is the rest of the answer.
> If it's a whine sound, the mu-metal will work.  The newest version 550 has
> an additional shield mounted under the transport.  If it's a static sound,
> that gets worse as you apply drag on the motor by stalling the capstan,
> than open the top of the motor and solder in 2 R.F. bypass capacitors.
> One from each of the exposed motor terminals to the metal case of the
> inside motor housing.  Keep the leads short to avoid any inductance.
> The caps must be small enough to fit flat on the back of the inside motor.
> Use no less than 50 volt rated capacitors.  The value is not critical,  use
> .01 mfd to .1 mfd.  You can get bypass capacitors off an old computer
> board.  If this does not completely work, the motor needs the
> commutator and brushes cleaned and resurfaced.  This has been
> working for me for over 20 years!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Jeffrey Galin
> 
> University Of Connecticut BSEE & BSCS Degrees
> Connecticut Unrestricted Certified Electronic Technician License
> Amateur Radio Extra Class License "W1LOP"
> Trained by Nakamichi's Japanese Electronic Technicians
> 
> "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts
> ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> VOICE 860-529-3700  FAX 860-529-1262
> Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST
> eslabs at snet.net   nakamichi at snet.net   www.eslabs.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
> 
> 
> > Today (never before) I noticed (vaguely) the noise also in recording, in
> the headphones during recording as well as on the tape. It dropped in level
> when shorting the line input, and disappeared when pusching the wires betw.
> the motor governor and motor away from the input socket!
> 
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> Try to apply some pressing by finger to motor during playback. If the tone
> will be shange
> with speed of the motor - so you have problem with magnetic fields. One of
> the way of
> geting rid of the such a "buzz" - try to rotate motor in it's housing - so
> the poluses of
> the fields will be rotating and you should find the position when "buzz"
> will be lesser.
> The second reasons - check the capasitors on motor powering circuit (I'm not
> familiar with 550 schematic) and there may be capacitor on motor boardas
> well.
> One more (ceramic type) should bypass the contact points inside the motor -
> if it went bad than there will be exxessive sparkling on the points - one
> more reasons for
> motor caused buzz.
> 
> Misha
> 
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From hzl88 at email.msn.com  Mon Dec 11 22:47:12 2000
From: hzl88 at email.msn.com (marc)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:47:12 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <OE112duiiQ03FcDddXA00002ff0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c063bb$ed3547a0$916d1c3f@oz.net>

hi, I'm new to this message board.
do you folks know anyone in the NYC area that can tweak out this %%0 I just
got? Anyone you can recommend?
Thanks,
Marc

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Rosen" <marcushemma at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:55 PM
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem


> Thanks to all for the suggestions!
> Now, 2 ceramics and 3 hours later, the machine is more quiet than ever!
> (My father bought this machine in 1976. It was my first nakamichi
experience and we are still friends...)
> Mant thanks, Marcus.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Galin" <eslabs at snet.net>
> To: <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>; <marcushemma at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
>
>
> > Smart Nakers,
> >
> > Well, I have just been reading and not sharing my thoughts until now.
> >
> > Now that Misha has found the right place, here is the rest of the
answer.
> > If it's a whine sound, the mu-metal will work.  The newest version 550
has
> > an additional shield mounted under the transport.  If it's a static
sound,
> > that gets worse as you apply drag on the motor by stalling the capstan,
> > than open the top of the motor and solder in 2 R.F. bypass capacitors.
> > One from each of the exposed motor terminals to the metal case of the
> > inside motor housing.  Keep the leads short to avoid any inductance.
> > The caps must be small enough to fit flat on the back of the inside
motor.
> > Use no less than 50 volt rated capacitors.  The value is not critical,
use
> > .01 mfd to .1 mfd.  You can get bypass capacitors off an old computer
> > board.  If this does not completely work, the motor needs the
> > commutator and brushes cleaned and resurfaced.  This has been
> > working for me for over 20 years!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jeffrey Galin
> >
> > University Of Connecticut BSEE & BSCS Degrees
> > Connecticut Unrestricted Certified Electronic Technician License
> > Amateur Radio Extra Class License "W1LOP"
> > Trained by Nakamichi's Japanese Electronic Technicians
> >
> > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts
> > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> > 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> > VOICE 860-529-3700  FAX 860-529-1262
> > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST
> > eslabs at snet.net   nakamichi at snet.net   www.eslabs.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
> >
> >
> > > Today (never before) I noticed (vaguely) the noise also in recording,
in
> > the headphones during recording as well as on the tape. It dropped in
level
> > when shorting the line input, and disappeared when pusching the wires
betw.
> > the motor governor and motor away from the input socket!
> >
> > Hi Marcus,
> >
> > Try to apply some pressing by finger to motor during playback. If the
tone
> > will be shange
> > with speed of the motor - so you have problem with magnetic fields. One
of
> > the way of
> > geting rid of the such a "buzz" - try to rotate motor in it's housing -
so
> > the poluses of
> > the fields will be rotating and you should find the position when "buzz"
> > will be lesser.
> > The second reasons - check the capasitors on motor powering circuit (I'm
not
> > familiar with 550 schematic) and there may be capacitor on motor boardas
> > well.
> > One more (ceramic type) should bypass the contact points inside the
motor -
> > if it went bad than there will be exxessive sparkling on the points -
one
> > more reasons for
> > motor caused buzz.
> >
> > Misha
> >
> >
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From hzl88 at email.msn.com  Mon Dec 11 22:48:57 2000
From: hzl88 at email.msn.com (marc)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:48:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
References: <OE112duiiQ03FcDddXA00002ff0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c063bc$2b695a20$916d1c3f@oz.net>

sorry, that was supposed to be "550" , not "%%0"
Marc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Rosen" <marcushemma at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:55 PM
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem


> Thanks to all for the suggestions!
> Now, 2 ceramics and 3 hours later, the machine is more quiet than ever!
> (My father bought this machine in 1976. It was my first nakamichi
experience and we are still friends...)
> Mant thanks, Marcus.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Galin" <eslabs at snet.net>
> To: <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>; <marcushemma at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
>
>
> > Smart Nakers,
> >
> > Well, I have just been reading and not sharing my thoughts until now.
> >
> > Now that Misha has found the right place, here is the rest of the
answer.
> > If it's a whine sound, the mu-metal will work.  The newest version 550
has
> > an additional shield mounted under the transport.  If it's a static
sound,
> > that gets worse as you apply drag on the motor by stalling the capstan,
> > than open the top of the motor and solder in 2 R.F. bypass capacitors.
> > One from each of the exposed motor terminals to the metal case of the
> > inside motor housing.  Keep the leads short to avoid any inductance.
> > The caps must be small enough to fit flat on the back of the inside
motor.
> > Use no less than 50 volt rated capacitors.  The value is not critical,
use
> > .01 mfd to .1 mfd.  You can get bypass capacitors off an old computer
> > board.  If this does not completely work, the motor needs the
> > commutator and brushes cleaned and resurfaced.  This has been
> > working for me for over 20 years!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jeffrey Galin
> >
> > University Of Connecticut BSEE & BSCS Degrees
> > Connecticut Unrestricted Certified Electronic Technician License
> > Amateur Radio Extra Class License "W1LOP"
> > Trained by Nakamichi's Japanese Electronic Technicians
> >
> > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts
> > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> > 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> > VOICE 860-529-3700  FAX 860-529-1262
> > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST
> > eslabs at snet.net   nakamichi at snet.net   www.eslabs.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MVM" <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 Dual Tracer problem
> >
> >
> > > Today (never before) I noticed (vaguely) the noise also in recording,
in
> > the headphones during recording as well as on the tape. It dropped in
level
> > when shorting the line input, and disappeared when pusching the wires
betw.
> > the motor governor and motor away from the input socket!
> >
> > Hi Marcus,
> >
> > Try to apply some pressing by finger to motor during playback. If the
tone
> > will be shange
> > with speed of the motor - so you have problem with magnetic fields. One
of
> > the way of
> > geting rid of the such a "buzz" - try to rotate motor in it's housing -
so
> > the poluses of
> > the fields will be rotating and you should find the position when "buzz"
> > will be lesser.
> > The second reasons - check the capasitors on motor powering circuit (I'm
not
> > familiar with 550 schematic) and there may be capacitor on motor boardas
> > well.
> > One more (ceramic type) should bypass the contact points inside the
motor -
> > if it went bad than there will be exxessive sparkling on the points -
one
> > more reasons for
> > motor caused buzz.
> >
> > Misha
> >
> >
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From marcushemma at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 13 18:25:00 2000
From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:25:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Different inspirations
Message-ID: <OE52f3L9BGTuAyHsjCG0000336b@hotmail.com>

It is clear that the topics covered in Naktalk are very different.

Could it be a good idea to divide in different groups?
"Nakbuytalk" for those interested in buying/selling/prices/etc.
"Nakposses" for those interested in owning and using the machines.
"Nakrepair" for those interested in service and tweaking.

Or would we miss information in this way?

Marcus.

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Wed Dec 13 19:06:15 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:06:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Different inspirations
References: <OE52f3L9BGTuAyHsjCG0000336b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <018601c0652f$679ec2e0$0100007f@localhost>

Hi Marcus,

All the topics discussed here so related and so close - so personaly
I don't feel that we need anything to divide topics. We all here about 
Naks. And we do not have too much trafics here anyway.

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From autoconsortium at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 13 20:21:47 2000
From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:21:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
In-Reply-To: <018601c0652f$679ec2e0$0100007f@localhost>
Message-ID: <LPBBIJDIDBFJNAJOIBOKCEGMDEAA.autoconsortium@earthlink.net>

A local high-end dealer has a Nak 1000ZXL for sale.  I don't see many of
these bad-boys around...it's located in Indianapolis.  Just letting you
fellas know.  If anyone wants to know more or is interested in this deck,
let me know and I'll help out.

Alex

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From JaqDRipper at aol.com  Wed Dec 13 20:42:32 2000
From: JaqDRipper at aol.com (JaqDRipper at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:42:32 EST
Subject: [naktalk] DR-10
Message-ID: <f3.58d7598.27692b28@aol.com>

Hi Guys.

Just wanted to let everybody know that I have a factory new DR-10 faceplate. 
If anybody wants to replace their scratched or dinged faceplate, let me know. 
I'd sell it for $60.

Thanks,

Rob
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From BJGRADY at aol.com  Wed Dec 13 22:45:49 2000
From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:45:49 EST
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
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Alex-Do u know how much he wants for the piece. Also, what knid of shape is it in? Thanks.

California John.
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From autoconsortium at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 14 00:04:55 2000
From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:04:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
In-Reply-To: <47.4bc6088.2769480d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIJDIDBFJNAJOIBOKKEHDDEAA.autoconsortium@earthlink.net>

The deck is in perfect cosmetic condition...it looks brand spakin new.
Great looking dark colored wood (oak?) casing.  This is not the 1000ZXL
limited, that had the gold faceplate.  I asked him on price, he said
$1,200...he said it need a bit of tuning.  I believe he could be 'dealt'
with on the deck, having him throw in a service cost, and possibly dropping
the price a bit.  This deck is the pre-runner to the Dragon except the
calibration is automatic, not manual as the Dragon is.  This deck was
somewhere around $6,000 new, according to the Nak's price page.  It is a big
sucker, probably 8 or 9 inches high.

Alex

> Alex-Do u know how much he wants for the piece. Also, what knid
> of shape is it in? Thanks.
>
> California John.

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From ktrogers at execulink.com  Thu Dec 14 02:24:13 2000
From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:24:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
References: <LPBBIJDIDBFJNAJOIBOKCEGMDEAA.autoconsortium@earthlink.net>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Cagann" <autoconsortium at earthlink.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:21 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL

Hi Alex. What condition, what accessories (if any) and, of course, how much?

Kevin


> A local high-end dealer has a Nak 1000ZXL for sale.  I don't see many of
> these bad-boys around...it's located in Indianapolis.  Just letting you
> fellas know.  If anyone wants to know more or is interested in this deck,
> let me know and I'll help out.
>
> Alex
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Dec 14 09:41:37 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:41:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
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Message-ID: <3A3887C1.38F45869@xs4all.nl>

If it has the RM300 it's value rises...
But be careful with these babies, they are quite complex and if one has a serious
problem costs can rise higher and higher.... 'a bit of tuning' can be a bit if you
don't need it to be perfect or a lot if you want the 1000ZXL to perform like it can in
perfect condition!

Wouter

Kevin Rogers wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Cagann" <autoconsortium at earthlink.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:21 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
>
> Hi Alex. What condition, what accessories (if any) and, of course, how much?
>
> Kevin
>
> > A local high-end dealer has a Nak 1000ZXL for sale.  I don't see many of
> > these bad-boys around...it's located in Indianapolis.  Just letting you
> > fellas know.  If anyone wants to know more or is interested in this deck,
> > let me know and I'll help out.
> >
> > Alex
> >
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From joukomakela at Home.com  Thu Dec 14 12:04:11 2000
From: joukomakela at Home.com (Jouko Makela)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:04:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] <no subject>
Message-ID: <20001214110515.VVDK25417.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@[24.157.56.150]>

there is 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Dec 14 14:35:02 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:35:02 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
References: <LPBBIJDIDBFJNAJOIBOKCEGMDEAA.autoconsortium@earthlink.net> <004201c0656c$91e437a0$6605efd1@kevinrog> <3A3887C1.38F45869@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <000501c065d2$a9ff6b00$4f312ac4@coqui.net>

Unfortunately, I have to echo Wouter here. I'm just having a not so good
experience with an almost "Never used" 1000 ZXL. Looks like new, no
scratches, all original cartons, foam and paddings. Manuals and everything.
The deck never played a full C-90, but guess what ? I bought it for $500.00
with just an small problem. The small problem has to do with the ABLE
program and it has been a pain in the ass. The machine has been in New
Mexico for over 6 months waiting for some "hard to find" chip.

SO, be careful with any deck that has the ZXL prefix at the end. Just to
add, I also have a 700 ZXL. Another so called bargain in good working
condition. Guess what ? She's not working either and no doctor has found the
problem yet.

BUT, if Stephen ever fix my machine, then, It will cost $1,500 because until
today I has never seen a machine like that in those pristine, like new
cosmetics.

The Tape Man

Carlos J. Guzman-President
Copytech Corporation
Puerto Rico
copytec at coqui.net

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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL


> If it has the RM300 it's value rises...
> But be careful with these babies, they are quite complex and if one has a
serious
> problem costs can rise higher and higher.... 'a bit of tuning' can be a
bit if you
> don't need it to be perfect or a lot if you want the 1000ZXL to perform
like it can in
> perfect condition!
>
> Wouter
>
> Kevin Rogers wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Cagann" <autoconsortium at earthlink.net>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:21 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL
> >
> > Hi Alex. What condition, what accessories (if any) and, of course, how
much?
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > > A local high-end dealer has a Nak 1000ZXL for sale.  I don't see many
of
> > > these bad-boys around...it's located in Indianapolis.  Just letting
you
> > > fellas know.  If anyone wants to know more or is interested in this
deck,
> > > let me know and I'll help out.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > >
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From nikkki at com2com.ru  Fri Dec 15 02:25:10 2000
From: nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:25:10 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 
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Hi all!

The practice shows that you guys don't need nothing from noone :) Especially gratis.

Anyway, here's an offer. Everybody, who feels like interested in getting a present for
Christmas in shape of a fully featured unlimited version of SpectraLAB - the greatest
professional PC-based spectrum analyser/generator etc. ever - please apply to me off
the Nak-list.

Merry Christmas

Nick
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From F040687 at aol.com  Thu Dec 14 17:22:01 2000
From: F040687 at aol.com (F040687 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:22:01 EST
Subject: [naktalk]  I am game....
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In a message dated 12/14/2000 9:28:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
nikkki at com2com.ru writes:

<< nikkki at com2com.ru (Nick) >>
Subj:    [naktalk] 
Date:   12/14/2000 9:28:59 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Hi all!

The practice shows that you guys don't need nothing from noone :) Especially 
gratis.

Anyway, here's an offer. Everybody, who feels like interested in getting a 
present for
Christmas in shape of a fully featured unlimited version of SpectraLAB - the 
greatest
professional PC-based spectrum analyser/generator etc. ever - please apply to 
me off
the Nak-list.

Merry Christmas

Nick

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Hi all!

The practice shows that you guys don't need nothing from noone :) Especially
gratis.

Anyway, here's an offer. Everybody, who feels like interested in getting
a present for Christmas in shape of a fully featured unlimited version
of SpectraLAB - the greatest professional PC-based spectrum analyser/generator
etc. ever - please apply to me off the Nak-list.

Merry Christmas

Nick


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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 14 19:26:28 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:26:28 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
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Hi all !
Especially Jeffrey Gallin & Steve Sank.
there is what I want to know if :

1.  Does the pinch rollers maked for the DR-10 can fit the
olders models as 582 ...

2.    Does the actual Nak discrete heads are newly designed ones ?(I doubt
so!) and if not, by the way, they should be compatible with 582,680 etc...?
(Without forgeting the physical dimensions of the gem.)
Could be there matched head caracteristics vs old lines if their new heads
are redesigned? ---supposed thiner gap, impedance/reluctance...---
Who can the best can the less ...

Many thanks,
Matyas











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From eslabs at snet.net  Thu Dec 14 20:36:13 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:36:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
References: <f3.58d7598.27692b28@aol.com> <LAW-OE38ro6EyRfPGHN00000e92@hotmail.com>
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Matyas,

The 582 and DR-10 use different rollers.

The heads, for the 3 head decks, have not changed since 
the 680 2 speed machines.  There are different mounts
depending on the transport.  The 1000ZXL Limited and
Dragon use a slightly different version.

Jeff

   
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:26 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century


Hi all !
Especially Jeffrey Gallin & Steve Sank.
there is what I want to know if :

1.  Does the pinch rollers maked for the DR-10 can fit the
olders models as 582 ...

2.    Does the actual Nak discrete heads are newly designed ones ?(I doubt
so!) and if not, by the way, they should be compatible with 582,680 etc...?
(Without forgeting the physical dimensions of the gem.)
Could be there matched head caracteristics vs old lines if their new heads
are redesigned? ---supposed thiner gap, impedance/reluctance...---
Who can the best can the less ...

Many thanks,
Matyas











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From Nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 14 21:02:06 2000
From: Nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:02:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
References: <f3.58d7598.27692b28@aol.com> <LAW-OE38ro6EyRfPGHN00000e92@hotmail.com> <00a001c06605$223d82a0$6401a8c0@eslabs2>
Message-ID: <LAW-OE10L0JcQ41gclj0000107f@hotmail.com>

Thank you Jeff,

Very cool info about heads !!!
I hope there is some equivalance in OEM rollers, I have no idea at all about
the quantity of these pinch' that long in the Earth surface.

Matyas
PS: When a guy order the Dragon head, does the part come with the
wire+connector ?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Galin" <eslabs at snet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century


> Matyas,
>
> The 582 and DR-10 use different rollers.
>
> The heads, for the 3 head decks, have not changed since
> the 680 2 speed machines.  There are different mounts
> depending on the transport.  The 1000ZXL Limited and
> Dragon use a slightly different version.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:26 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
>
>
> Hi all !
> Especially Jeffrey Gallin & Steve Sank.
> there is what I want to know if :
>
> 1.  Does the pinch rollers maked for the DR-10 can fit the
> olders models as 582 ...
>
> 2.    Does the actual Nak discrete heads are newly designed ones ?(I doubt
> so!) and if not, by the way, they should be compatible with 582,680
etc...?
> (Without forgeting the physical dimensions of the gem.)
> Could be there matched head caracteristics vs old lines if their new heads
> are redesigned? ---supposed thiner gap, impedance/reluctance...---
> Who can the best can the less ...
>
> Many thanks,
> Matyas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From eslabs at snet.net  Thu Dec 14 21:35:35 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:35:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
References: <f3.58d7598.27692b28@aol.com> <LAW-OE38ro6EyRfPGHN00000e92@hotmail.com> <00a001c06605$223d82a0$6401a8c0@eslabs2> <LAW-OE10L0JcQ41gclj0000107f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d201c0660d$6b2ea180$6401a8c0@eslabs2>

Matyas,

The original rollers are still available.

It never came with the wires, for me.  

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century


Thank you Jeff,

Very cool info about heads !!!
I hope there is some equivalance in OEM rollers, I have no idea at all about
the quantity of these pinch' that long in the Earth surface.

Matyas
PS: When a guy order the Dragon head, does the part come with the
wire+connector ?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Galin" <eslabs at snet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century


> Matyas,
>
> The 582 and DR-10 use different rollers.
>
> The heads, for the 3 head decks, have not changed since
> the 680 2 speed machines.  There are different mounts
> depending on the transport.  The 1000ZXL Limited and
> Dragon use a slightly different version.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:26 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
>
>
> Hi all !
> Especially Jeffrey Gallin & Steve Sank.
> there is what I want to know if :
>
> 1.  Does the pinch rollers maked for the DR-10 can fit the
> olders models as 582 ...
>
> 2.    Does the actual Nak discrete heads are newly designed ones ?(I doubt
> so!) and if not, by the way, they should be compatible with 582,680
etc...?
> (Without forgeting the physical dimensions of the gem.)
> Could be there matched head caracteristics vs old lines if their new heads
> are redesigned? ---supposed thiner gap, impedance/reluctance...---
> Who can the best can the less ...
>
> Many thanks,
> Matyas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Dec 15 05:06:03 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:36:03 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
Message-ID: <001501c0664c$57ca5780$42d60192@vsnl>

The wire and connector attached is a different part number ( I am referring
to Dragon' playback and record heads) and I got the play back head with
connector wire etc recently. However Nak japan had changed their policy
again! Naoko would not reply you even and they want you to contact the local
distributor ! Nakamichi slowly turning their head away from customers as
they are in to mass marketed Japanese cuties. and they expect to compete
with Bose and Bang and Olufson? And I  do not know how many years they will
support these parts.
My advice is to stock up Pinch rollars / belts and the rest of small and
important parts for your Naks asap.
Ask your nearest distributor and wait!
You may not find suitable rollars as they are pretty good and may be worth
ordering from Nak distributor - if they care to supply you
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Galin <eslabs at snet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, December 15, 2000 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century


>Matyas,
>
>The original rollers are still available.
>
>It never came with the wires, for me.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:02 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
>
>
>Thank you Jeff,
>
>Very cool info about heads !!!
>I hope there is some equivalance in OEM rollers, I have no idea at all
about
>the quantity of these pinch' that long in the Earth surface.
>
>Matyas
>PS: When a guy order the Dragon head, does the part come with the
>wire+connector ?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeffrey Galin" <eslabs at snet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
>
>
>> Matyas,
>>
>> The 582 and DR-10 use different rollers.
>>
>> The heads, for the 3 head decks, have not changed since
>> the 680 2 speed machines.  There are different mounts
>> depending on the transport.  The 1000ZXL Limited and
>> Dragon use a slightly different version.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matyas" <Nakamikaze at hotmail.com>
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:26 PM
>> Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
>>
>>
>> Hi all !
>> Especially Jeffrey Gallin & Steve Sank.
>> there is what I want to know if :
>>
>> 1.  Does the pinch rollers maked for the DR-10 can fit the
>> olders models as 582 ...
>>
>> 2.    Does the actual Nak discrete heads are newly designed ones ?(I
doubt
>> so!) and if not, by the way, they should be compatible with 582,680
>etc...?
>> (Without forgeting the physical dimensions of the gem.)
>> Could be there matched head caracteristics vs old lines if their new
heads
>> are redesigned? ---supposed thiner gap, impedance/reluctance...---
>> Who can the best can the less ...
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Matyas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Dec 15 10:17:18 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:17:18 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] server down
Message-ID: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl>

Hi All,

The naks.com server will be going down today for some time.
I guess this will be until the beginning of next year.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Wouter

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From salim at danareksa.com  Fri Dec 15 10:32:59 2000
From: salim at danareksa.com (Salim Marzuki)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:32:59 +0700
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
Message-ID: <40A60811EBB9D311975300105A63DDEBCB57BF@NT-SERVER6>

Hi Matyas, Jeff and all !

Does that mean that I can plug in a DR-10 playback head to my 482 ?

After several alignment + resistor attempts my 482 perform much better (up
to 12-13K @ 0db) but still no match to the CR.  

Regards,
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Dec 15 10:46:37 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:46:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] server down
References: <3A39E19E.7F868DCF@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <3A39E87D.78FD02A3@xs4all.nl>

So... this means these services will be unavailable:

website
ftp server
naktalk

Sorry,

Wouter

Wouter Heijke wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The naks.com server will be going down today for some time.
> I guess this will be until the beginning of next year.
>
> Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> Wouter
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Dec 15 13:01:46 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:31:46 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century
Message-ID: <002c01c0668e$cc9ffc80$42d60192@vsnl>

Salim
You should try recording at -20dB level and not 0 dB. If it gives 12 Khz
response  at 0 dB it is normal!
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Salim Marzuki <salim at danareksa.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, December 15, 2000 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pinch rollers & heads for a new century


>Hi Matyas, Jeff and all !
>
>Does that mean that I can plug in a DR-10 playback head to my 482 ?
>
>After several alignment + resistor attempts my 482 perform much better (up
>to 12-13K @ 0db) but still no match to the CR.
>
>Regards,
>Salim SM
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  1 02:35:04 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:35:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 Owners Manual needed
Message-ID: <028201bf6c54$90c2c740$a7496acf@jmtooley>

Nakamichi 700 Owners Manual needed.  Original or good copy would be fine.

Thank you,

John

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Feb  1 02:59:41 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:59:41 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] NakYakker of the month....
Message-ID: <CPABGNHELICDAAAA@angelfire.com>

Since its the last day of January 2000, I thought we should lean on the lighter side of life, and start a NakYakker <like smile, grin, laugh, stitch-in-the-side kind of reation> of the month award.  Here's my nomination...

Would you believe that there is now a new breed of Nak Dragon in existence?  Nak Dragon III??  For sale to the highest bidder???  Have a look at this hilarious ebay advert:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=249906292

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

NAKAMICHI! Worlds #1 Rated Cassette Deck! Nakamichi Dragon DR-3! Mint perfect condition.
Reason for selling is no room on the rack. Fully loaded with all the Nakamichi bells & whistles serious audiophiles are used to. Twin Head MPX, Dolby, Microprocessor control, Digital display panel, Silent touch controls. Etc etc etc.... Really is a very nice unit. It bothers me to part with it, But I would rather see it put to use then collect dust. Originally retailed over 1500.00$ Low reserve. 

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Ho, Ho, Ho!!! (I'm sure the Tape Man will agree!!!)  To think that some novice is wetting his pants bidding over this pseudo-deck has got me rolling on the floor!  Only on ebay can you find such entertainment.  

Look out for your fledgling Nak friends, and encourage them to consult the Unofficial Nakamichi Website before committing themselves to claws of phantom dragons.  This has been a public service announcement from the studio desk of Mr Blues....

---
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 04:47:19 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:47:19 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nak question?
Message-ID: <bb.ce5385.25c7b147@aol.com>

Ted, 

The BX-300 is a much better tape deck then the RX-202.  First, three head 
decks have a sound advantage over two head models.  The head gaps for 
recording should be wider then the gap for playback, but when you have to 
combine the playback with the record head you give up  performance at both 
ends.  Second the transport for the BX-300 is a dual capstan design with a 
tape pad lifter and a direct drive motor system born from the ZX-9 and the 
dragon.  Just a side note, in Japan the BX-300 was named the ZX-5.  The 
BX-300 also sounds better then the RX-505, the three head version of the 
RX-202. 


P.S. The BX-300 has a pitch control.
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 05:12:46 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:12:46 EST
Subject: [naktalk] RAMM
Message-ID: <df.c78885.25c7b73e@aol.com>

The system is the same as the 700ZXL but the R. A. M. M. system uses binary 
codes instead of time spaces between songs.
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From jbutler at statecollege.com  Tue Feb  1 06:04:05 2000
From: jbutler at statecollege.com (John F. Butler, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 00:04:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
Message-ID: <009f01bf6c71$c7fcc900$e698eac7@lazerlink.com>

Hello All!

I was wondering if one of you could direct me to a product number for the
Radio Shack wand demag.  I went there today and all they had were the
cassette type.  The wand is prefered over the cassette, correct?

Also, could someone post the correct method of demagnitizing?  Specifically,
which parts have to be demaged.

Next ... what should I use to clean the rubber wheels on my deck?  I heard
that the alcohol head cleaner is not to be used.

Thanks for all your help!

John Butler




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From NELSONH at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 06:07:59 2000
From: NELSONH at aol.com (NELSONH at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 00:07:59 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Re: (Puff the Magic) Dragon.....
Message-ID: <c5.14b6a2d.25c7c42f@aol.com>


My Dragon was purchased new in April of 1994 from a local California dealer.  
It had to be special ordered.  The serial number is 30335 but alas there is 
no "date code sticker" on the back.  I would think that it represents one of 
the last ones made.  Ever seen a higher s/n?  One dealer at that time 
mentioned the commerative Dragons which were the last batch made and were 
supposed to come with a special certificate but I never heard anything more 
about that fact since that time.

zateam
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  1 14:21:42 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:21:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
References: <009f01bf6c71$c7fcc900$e698eac7@lazerlink.com>
Message-ID: <005601bf6cb7$47d30550$bd496acf@john0x44o4fuy6>

Turn the demag. on about a foot or two away from the heads and capstan.
Bring the demag. over very slowly to the heads and capstan.  Without
touching heads and capstan move the wand up and down slowly.  Make sure that
you move the wand away slowly from heads and only switch wand off when you
are a foot or two away.

I've read that a non-abrasive cassette cleaner is better that a swab and
alcohol.  They say the swab scratches the heads.

Maybe the combined demag. / cleaner cassettes are the the way to go.

I hope this helps.


----- Original Message -----
From: "John F. Butler, Jr." <jbutler at statecollege.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 12:04 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques


> Hello All!
>
> I was wondering if one of you could direct me to a product number for the
> Radio Shack wand demag.  I went there today and all they had were the
> cassette type.  The wand is prefered over the cassette, correct?
>
> Also, could someone post the correct method of demagnitizing?
Specifically,
> which parts have to be demaged.
>
> Next ... what should I use to clean the rubber wheels on my deck?  I heard
> that the alcohol head cleaner is not to be used.
>
> Thanks for all your help!
>
> John Butler
>
>
>
>
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Tue Feb  1 14:51:59 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:51:59 +0100 
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DE13@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

Ask Wouter on his Nak page...he'll give you the FTP address.
These are the ones currently there, but that will be growing shortly.

Wouter

dutch:
 Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf  (NEW)
 N480.pdf
 gear_update.pdf
 nr200-2.pdf

english:
 680ZX_Owner.PDF
 680ZX_Owner.pdf
 680ZX_Service1-19.pdf
 680ZX_Service20-29.pdf
 680ZX_Service30-33.pdf
 680ZX_Service34-39.pdf
 680ZX_Service40-End.pdf
 N582_Suplement.pdf (NEW)
 N_BX_300.pdf
 Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
 nak_lx-5.pdf
 nkcr7a5a.pdf
 nkdragon.pdf

international:
 HighComII.pdf
 NakN480_manual.pdf (NEW)
 Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
 Nak_bx125_manual.pdf


I had a outboard Dolby unit, but I sold it for $40 about five months ago.

I will check on the Tri-Tracer.... I know I have the 1000ZXL Own/Ser, 700
Own/Ser,
but I will confirm.

Raul



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:18 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay



--- MERHAN <merhan at hilite-ind.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have a euro ZX-9 that I'm using now here in the
> USA.  I have a 110V -> 220V Transformer without HZ
> change.  Have been using it for (WOW) 15 years
> that way.  No problems.

You shouldn't. If any, problems will occur the
other way around, when transformers designed for
60Hz operation are run at 50Hz. They tend to
overheat.

The 20% difference in frequency is not severe,
but it does tend to shorten transformer life.
However, it stands to reason Nakamichi designed
all their power transforments (even those intended
for the US) to withstand 50Hz operation.

-- Ron



> M.E. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann
> [mailto:k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:44 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I
> feared the lower
> frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the
> system...
> 
> On the other hand Nak probalby designed the
> rectifier/capacitors quite
> good anyway. 
> Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with
> the 60Hz->50Hz
> change at the same time)? No problems or hum? 
> 
> K.-H.
> 
> On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]
> 
> > I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v
> transformer, I use
> > one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems. 
> Transformer doesn't
> > even get warm.  These are available used for 20
> dollars, If you can't
> > find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing
> email providers, so
> > use my Hotmail:
> > smithbt at hotmail.com
> 
> 
>
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> E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> Date: 26-Jan-00      Time: 11:39:46
>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Feb  1 15:12:51 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 06:12:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Phantom Dragons.........
Message-ID: <HFNDLBNGNIKFAAAA@angelfire.com>

Karl-Heinz....

Request a serial number attached on the deck, and inform the seller that you're checking with Nakamichi for this Dragon's production date.

If the sellers cannot or will not produce identification for the deck, you'll know immediately that this is a bogus deal.  If they can produce a legitimate serial number,  shouldn't you be able to compare serial numbers with other European Dragon owners, zero-in on the likely window (eg: 1990, 1993...)of when this machine was created?  Seems that this would be the prudent approach to verifying what is being sold.  Good advice below on checking whether this is in unused condition.  That's still alot of $$$'s to spend via the internet, careful my friend!  Good luck with your investigation!

We should correspond about the music we exchanged over the holidays.  Excellent jazz you provided to me (through your connection in Chicago, Illinois!  

I'll be in-touch directly...

Kenny Parsons
Madison, WI  USA

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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:00:58 +0100 (MET)
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?

On 31-Jan-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
> The Dragon had no significant changes in construction or electronics
> during it's entire production life, which ended in 1994, as far as I
> know.  I would be somewhat suspicious of this deal, though, so I would
> recommend extreme caution & a professional examination of the deck as
> soon as you get it.

Hmm... yes. I'm still somewhat suspicious. Especially there are used
Dragons for 1400DM right now on eBay. It's 1100DM more for the *new*. 
(2 DM = 1$).

I wouldn't know how I could get a professional examination here in
Germany. I'm not afraid to have a look myself. Could I look for obvious
parts for usage? The interesting parts would of course be the mechanics
and the head....
How well will the electronics age? Eletrolyte-Condensers the obvious
problem makers. If this is really a unused shelf warmer for *years* --how
well does it keep sitting on a shelf since 5 or 6 years?

Would it be possible to tell a new one from a used one in some few days? 
At least I can check the recording quality of course, but then: I don't
know how a Dragon is supposed to sound. I know the RX-505 so and
can compare them.

I'm especially suspicious because they still didn't answer the year of
contruction question. Where could they find that? Somewhere on the back? 
Some number with hidden month and year maybe?


Thanks for your answer,

Karl-Heinz

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:36:52 +0100 (MET)
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: (Puff the Magic) Dragon.....

On 31-Jan-00 The BlueSwapper wrote:
> Beware of dragons that are said to be created after the last known
> official Nak production date (1993???).  Lots of fraud occurring on the
> internet auction sites currently, and we don't want our bretheren
> suffering from malicious sellers offering bogus goods!
> 

Hmm.... they just say it's new and that they bought the last ones from a
German distributor in 1997. When they are built I still don't know....
am waiting for their answer.

K.-H.


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  1 15:35:08 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:35:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DE13@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <008b01bf6cc1$8a6cfe70$bd496acf@john0x44o4fuy6>

If I snag the 1000 machine it comes with manual and unused cassettes and
cleaners.  Perhaps I could scan the manual and help somebody out.

Was your Dolby unit Dolby C?

Where are you located?

John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tellez, Raul" <rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


> Ask Wouter on his Nak page...he'll give you the FTP address.
> These are the ones currently there, but that will be growing shortly.
>
> Wouter
>
> dutch:
>  Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf  (NEW)
>  N480.pdf
>  gear_update.pdf
>  nr200-2.pdf
>
> english:
>  680ZX_Owner.PDF
>  680ZX_Owner.pdf
>  680ZX_Service1-19.pdf
>  680ZX_Service20-29.pdf
>  680ZX_Service30-33.pdf
>  680ZX_Service34-39.pdf
>  680ZX_Service40-End.pdf
>  N582_Suplement.pdf (NEW)
>  N_BX_300.pdf
>  Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
>  nak_lx-5.pdf
>  nkcr7a5a.pdf
>  nkdragon.pdf
>
> international:
>  HighComII.pdf
>  NakN480_manual.pdf (NEW)
>  Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
>  Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
>
>
> I had a outboard Dolby unit, but I sold it for $40 about five months ago.
>
> I will check on the Tri-Tracer.... I know I have the 1000ZXL Own/Ser, 700
> Own/Ser,
> but I will confirm.
>
> Raul
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:18 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
>
>
>
> --- MERHAN <merhan at hilite-ind.com> wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I have a euro ZX-9 that I'm using now here in the
> > USA.  I have a 110V -> 220V Transformer without HZ
> > change.  Have been using it for (WOW) 15 years
> > that way.  No problems.
>
> You shouldn't. If any, problems will occur the
> other way around, when transformers designed for
> 60Hz operation are run at 50Hz. They tend to
> overheat.
>
> The 20% difference in frequency is not severe,
> but it does tend to shorten transformer life.
> However, it stands to reason Nakamichi designed
> all their power transforments (even those intended
> for the US) to withstand 50Hz operation.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
> > M.E.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann
> > [mailto:k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:44 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I
> > feared the lower
> > frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the
> > system...
> >
> > On the other hand Nak probalby designed the
> > rectifier/capacitors quite
> > good anyway.
> > Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with
> > the 60Hz->50Hz
> > change at the same time)? No problems or hum?
> >
> > K.-H.
> >
> > On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]
> >
> > > I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v
> > transformer, I use
> > > one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.
> > Transformer doesn't
> > > even get warm.  These are available used for 20
> > dollars, If you can't
> > > find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing
> > email providers, so
> > > use my Hotmail:
> > > smithbt at hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > Date: 26-Jan-00      Time: 11:39:46
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Tue Feb  1 16:33:42 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:33:42 +0100 
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DE16@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

Dolby, the NR-200 was Dolby C, but I sold that also.
I'm located in Spain.

Raul

-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 3:35 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


If I snag the 1000 machine it comes with manual and unused cassettes and
cleaners.  Perhaps I could scan the manual and help somebody out.

Was your Dolby unit Dolby C?

Where are you located?

John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tellez, Raul" <rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


> Ask Wouter on his Nak page...he'll give you the FTP address.
> These are the ones currently there, but that will be growing shortly.
>
> Wouter
>
> dutch:
>  Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf  (NEW)
>  N480.pdf
>  gear_update.pdf
>  nr200-2.pdf
>
> english:
>  680ZX_Owner.PDF
>  680ZX_Owner.pdf
>  680ZX_Service1-19.pdf
>  680ZX_Service20-29.pdf
>  680ZX_Service30-33.pdf
>  680ZX_Service34-39.pdf
>  680ZX_Service40-End.pdf
>  N582_Suplement.pdf (NEW)
>  N_BX_300.pdf
>  Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
>  nak_lx-5.pdf
>  nkcr7a5a.pdf
>  nkdragon.pdf
>
> international:
>  HighComII.pdf
>  NakN480_manual.pdf (NEW)
>  Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
>  Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
>
>
> I had a outboard Dolby unit, but I sold it for $40 about five months ago.
>
> I will check on the Tri-Tracer.... I know I have the 1000ZXL Own/Ser, 700
> Own/Ser,
> but I will confirm.
>
> Raul
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:18 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
>
>
>
> --- MERHAN <merhan at hilite-ind.com> wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I have a euro ZX-9 that I'm using now here in the
> > USA.  I have a 110V -> 220V Transformer without HZ
> > change.  Have been using it for (WOW) 15 years
> > that way.  No problems.
>
> You shouldn't. If any, problems will occur the
> other way around, when transformers designed for
> 60Hz operation are run at 50Hz. They tend to
> overheat.
>
> The 20% difference in frequency is not severe,
> but it does tend to shorten transformer life.
> However, it stands to reason Nakamichi designed
> all their power transforments (even those intended
> for the US) to withstand 50Hz operation.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
>
> > M.E.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann
> > [mailto:k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:44 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I
> > feared the lower
> > frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the
> > system...
> >
> > On the other hand Nak probalby designed the
> > rectifier/capacitors quite
> > good anyway.
> > Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with
> > the 60Hz->50Hz
> > change at the same time)? No problems or hum?
> >
> > K.-H.
> >
> > On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]
> >
> > > I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v
> > transformer, I use
> > > one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.
> > Transformer doesn't
> > > even get warm.  These are available used for 20
> > dollars, If you can't
> > > find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing
> > email providers, so
> > > use my Hotmail:
> > > smithbt at hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > Date: 26-Jan-00      Time: 11:39:46
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  1 17:23:47 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:23:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Phantom Dragons.........
References: <HFNDLBNGNIKFAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <019401bf6cd0$b7e97130$bd496acf@john0x44o4fuy6>

I just got this from the Puff the Magic Dragon seller at e-bay.

"I apologize I made an error. The unit is a DR-3. I thought the DR stood for
dragon but I was mistaken."


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John M. Tooley
  To: tomshardware at hotmail.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:24 AM
  Subject: Puff the Magic Dragon


  Is this really a Dragon?  Do you have a better photo?
----- Original Message -----
From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 9:12 AM
Subject: [naktalk] RE: Phantom Dragons.........


> Karl-Heinz....
>
> Request a serial number attached on the deck, and inform the seller that
you're checking with Nakamichi for this Dragon's production date.
>
> If the sellers cannot or will not produce identification for the deck,
you'll know immediately that this is a bogus deal.  If they can produce a
legitimate serial number,  shouldn't you be able to compare serial numbers
with other European Dragon owners, zero-in on the likely window (eg: 1990,
1993...)of when this machine was created?  Seems that this would be the
prudent approach to verifying what is being sold.  Good advice below on
checking whether this is in unused condition.  That's still alot of $$$'s to
spend via the internet, careful my friend!  Good luck with your
investigation!
>
> We should correspond about the music we exchanged over the holidays.
Excellent jazz you provided to me (through your connection in Chicago,
Illinois!
>
> I'll be in-touch directly...
>
> Kenny Parsons
> Madison, WI  USA
>
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:00:58 +0100 (MET)
> From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is any Dragon 'a' Dragon?
>
> On 31-Jan-00 Stephen Sank wrote:
> > The Dragon had no significant changes in construction or electronics
> > during it's entire production life, which ended in 1994, as far as I
> > know.  I would be somewhat suspicious of this deal, though, so I would
> > recommend extreme caution & a professional examination of the deck as
> > soon as you get it.
>
> Hmm... yes. I'm still somewhat suspicious. Especially there are used
> Dragons for 1400DM right now on eBay. It's 1100DM more for the *new*.
> (2 DM = 1$).
>
> I wouldn't know how I could get a professional examination here in
> Germany. I'm not afraid to have a look myself. Could I look for obvious
> parts for usage? The interesting parts would of course be the mechanics
> and the head....
> How well will the electronics age? Eletrolyte-Condensers the obvious
> problem makers. If this is really a unused shelf warmer for *years* --how
> well does it keep sitting on a shelf since 5 or 6 years?
>
> Would it be possible to tell a new one from a used one in some few days?
> At least I can check the recording quality of course, but then: I don't
> know how a Dragon is supposed to sound. I know the RX-505 so and
> can compare them.
>
> I'm especially suspicious because they still didn't answer the year of
> contruction question. Where could they find that? Somewhere on the back?
> Some number with hidden month and year maybe?
>
>
> Thanks for your answer,
>
> Karl-Heinz
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:36:52 +0100 (MET)
> From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: (Puff the Magic) Dragon.....
>
> On 31-Jan-00 The BlueSwapper wrote:
> > Beware of dragons that are said to be created after the last known
> > official Nak production date (1993???).  Lots of fraud occurring on the
> > internet auction sites currently, and we don't want our bretheren
> > suffering from malicious sellers offering bogus goods!
> >
>
> Hmm.... they just say it's new and that they bought the last ones from a
> German distributor in 1997. When they are built I still don't know....
> am waiting for their answer.
>
> K.-H.
>
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb  1 17:28:24 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:28:24 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DE16@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <01ab01bf6cd1$5cab5440$bd496acf@john0x44o4fuy6>

Spain wow, should I wait until you scan the 700 machines owners manual to
the ftp site.  Air Mail, even paper, is very expensive.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tellez, Raul" <rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay


> Dolby, the NR-200 was Dolby C, but I sold that also.
> I'm located in Spain.
>
> Raul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 3:35 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
>
>
> If I snag the 1000 machine it comes with manual and unused cassettes and
> cleaners.  Perhaps I could scan the manual and help somebody out.
>
> Was your Dolby unit Dolby C?
>
> Where are you located?
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tellez, Raul" <rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:51 AM
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
>
>
> > Ask Wouter on his Nak page...he'll give you the FTP address.
> > These are the ones currently there, but that will be growing shortly.
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > dutch:
> >  Cassettedeck1_Manual_Dutch.pdf  (NEW)
> >  N480.pdf
> >  gear_update.pdf
> >  nr200-2.pdf
> >
> > english:
> >  680ZX_Owner.PDF
> >  680ZX_Owner.pdf
> >  680ZX_Service1-19.pdf
> >  680ZX_Service20-29.pdf
> >  680ZX_Service30-33.pdf
> >  680ZX_Service34-39.pdf
> >  680ZX_Service40-End.pdf
> >  N582_Suplement.pdf (NEW)
> >  N_BX_300.pdf
> >  Nak_cr1_cr2_manual.pdf
> >  nak_lx-5.pdf
> >  nkcr7a5a.pdf
> >  nkdragon.pdf
> >
> > international:
> >  HighComII.pdf
> >  NakN480_manual.pdf (NEW)
> >  Nak_bx100_manual.pdf
> >  Nak_bx125_manual.pdf
> >
> >
> > I had a outboard Dolby unit, but I sold it for $40 about five months
ago.
> >
> > I will check on the Tri-Tracer.... I know I have the 1000ZXL Own/Ser,
700
> > Own/Ser,
> > but I will confirm.
> >
> > Raul
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:18 PM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
> >
> >
> >
> > --- MERHAN <merhan at hilite-ind.com> wrote:
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > > I have a euro ZX-9 that I'm using now here in the
> > > USA.  I have a 110V -> 220V Transformer without HZ
> > > change.  Have been using it for (WOW) 15 years
> > > that way.  No problems.
> >
> > You shouldn't. If any, problems will occur the
> > other way around, when transformers designed for
> > 60Hz operation are run at 50Hz. They tend to
> > overheat.
> >
> > The 20% difference in frequency is not severe,
> > but it does tend to shorten transformer life.
> > However, it stands to reason Nakamichi designed
> > all their power transforments (even those intended
> > for the US) to withstand 50Hz operation.
> >
> > -- Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > > M.E.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann
> > > [mailto:k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:44 AM
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon on E-bay
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > so the difference in 60Hz -> 50Hz doesn't matter? I
> > > feared the lower
> > > frequency could lead to higher 50/100Hz hum in the
> > > system...
> > >
> > > On the other hand Nak probalby designed the
> > > rectifier/capacitors quite
> > > good anyway.
> > > Anyone else who just uses a transformer 220->110V (with
> > > the 60Hz->50Hz
> > > change at the same time)? No problems or hum?
> > >
> > > K.-H.
> > >
> > > On 26-Jan-00 Tellez, Raul wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Brice T. Smith [mailto:smithb at mail.pjsnet.com]
> > >
> > > > I have a US Dragon that works great off a 220-110v
> > > transformer, I use
> > > > one rated at 150 watts, have had no problems.
> > > Transformer doesn't
> > > > even get warm.  These are available used for 20
> > > dollars, If you can't
> > > > find one, let me know, I'm in Heidleberg, changing
> > > email providers, so
> > > > use my Hotmail:
> > > > smithbt at hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > > Date: 26-Jan-00      Time: 11:39:46
> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Feb  1 19:02:29 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:02:29 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
In-Reply-To: <005601bf6cb7$47d30550$bd496acf@john0x44o4fuy6>
Message-ID: <000201bf6cde$81bdc3a0$3254883e@a4s1s2>

I'd heard that the swabs can scratch the heads, too.  In fact, one engineer
recommended me to use Iso' on the soft tip of my finger ... not sure I like
the idea, what with all those natural oils coming out of the skin, although
I suppose the Iso' would do for them as it would for any dirt on the heads!
But, hey!  It's a point of view, I suppose, and worthy of consideration.
Anyone else heard of this, too?

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> John M. Tooley
> Sent: 01 February 2000 13:22
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
>
>
> Turn the demag. on about a foot or two away from the heads and capstan.
> Bring the demag. over very slowly to the heads and capstan.  Without
> touching heads and capstan move the wand up and down slowly.
> Make sure that
> you move the wand away slowly from heads and only switch wand off when you
> are a foot or two away.
>
> I've read that a non-abrasive cassette cleaner is better that a swab and
> alcohol.  They say the swab scratches the heads.
>
> Maybe the combined demag. / cleaner cassettes are the the way to go.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John F. Butler, Jr." <jbutler at statecollege.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 12:04 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
>
>
> > Hello All!
> >
> > I was wondering if one of you could direct me to a product
> number for the
> > Radio Shack wand demag.  I went there today and all they had were the
> > cassette type.  The wand is prefered over the cassette, correct?
> >
> > Also, could someone post the correct method of demagnitizing?
> Specifically,
> > which parts have to be demaged.
> >
> > Next ... what should I use to clean the rubber wheels on my
> deck?  I heard
> > that the alcohol head cleaner is not to be used.
> >
> > Thanks for all your help!
> >
> > John Butler
> >
> >
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From ClaussTwo at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 03:40:28 2000
From: ClaussTwo at aol.com (ClaussTwo at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 21:40:28 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <71.aa86ec.25c8f31c@aol.com>

Ha ha ha
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From enoyes at snet.net  Wed Feb  2 05:06:27 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 23:06:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
References: <000201bf6cde$81bdc3a0$3254883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <3897AD41.1189E56D@snet.net>

The engineer at the audio facility I work at has also said that the cotton swabs can
damage the gap and cause splatter... of course he also noted that this tended to
happen only when really scrubbing at them and gentle cleaning was not nearly as much
of an issue, but be careful... he learned this the hard way! If you're in a situation
where you really need to do a heavy cleaning, the best thing to use are small swatches
of chamois cloth or even the material of a heavy soft cotton shirt. The problem with
cotton swabs is that the strand structure is not totally unlike steel wool... albeit
vastly more soft, but still able to act abrasively.

Ed

Graham Nelson wrote:

> I'd heard that the swabs can scratch the heads, too.  In fact, one engineer
> recommended me to use Iso' on the soft tip of my finger ... not sure I like
> the idea, what with all those natural oils coming out of the skin, although
> I suppose the Iso' would do for them as it would for any dirt on the heads!
> But, hey!  It's a point of view, I suppose, and worthy of consideration.
> Anyone else heard of this, too?
>
> Graham
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > John M. Tooley
> > Sent: 01 February 2000 13:22
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
> >
> >
> > Turn the demag. on about a foot or two away from the heads and capstan.
> > Bring the demag. over very slowly to the heads and capstan.  Without
> > touching heads and capstan move the wand up and down slowly.
> > Make sure that
> > you move the wand away slowly from heads and only switch wand off when you
> > are a foot or two away.
> >
> > I've read that a non-abrasive cassette cleaner is better that a swab and
> > alcohol.  They say the swab scratches the heads.
> >
> > Maybe the combined demag. / cleaner cassettes are the the way to go.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John F. Butler, Jr." <jbutler at statecollege.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 12:04 AM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
> >
> >
> > > Hello All!
> > >
> > > I was wondering if one of you could direct me to a product
> > number for the
> > > Radio Shack wand demag.  I went there today and all they had were the
> > > cassette type.  The wand is prefered over the cassette, correct?
> > >
> > > Also, could someone post the correct method of demagnitizing?
> > Specifically,
> > > which parts have to be demaged.
> > >
> > > Next ... what should I use to clean the rubber wheels on my
> > deck?  I heard
> > > that the alcohol head cleaner is not to be used.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help!
> > >
> > > John Butler
> > >
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From jbutler at statecollege.com  Wed Feb  2 05:24:32 2000
From: jbutler at statecollege.com (John F. Butler, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:24:32 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
References: <000201bf6cde$81bdc3a0$3254883e@a4s1s2> <3897AD41.1189E56D@snet.net>
Message-ID: <00a101bf6d35$6a4711c0$ce98eac7@lazerlink.com>

How about the foam swabs that I use?  Are they going to damage the heads if
used lightly?

Also, anybody have any info on that Radio Shack demag?  What are you guys
using?

Thanks
JB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Noyes" <enoyes at snet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques


> The engineer at the audio facility I work at has also said that the cotton
swabs can
> damage the gap and cause splatter... of course he also noted that this
tended to
> happen only when really scrubbing at them and gentle cleaning was not
nearly as much
> of an issue, but be careful... he learned this the hard way! If you're in
a situation
> where you really need to do a heavy cleaning, the best thing to use are
small swatches
> of chamois cloth or even the material of a heavy soft cotton shirt. The
problem with
> cotton swabs is that the strand structure is not totally unlike steel
wool... albeit
> vastly more soft, but still able to act abrasively.
>
> Ed
>
> Graham Nelson wrote:
>
> > I'd heard that the swabs can scratch the heads, too.  In fact, one
engineer
> > recommended me to use Iso' on the soft tip of my finger ... not sure I
like
> > the idea, what with all those natural oils coming out of the skin,
although
> > I suppose the Iso' would do for them as it would for any dirt on the
heads!
> > But, hey!  It's a point of view, I suppose, and worthy of consideration.
> > Anyone else heard of this, too?
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
> > > John M. Tooley
> > > Sent: 01 February 2000 13:22
> > > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
> > >
> > >
> > > Turn the demag. on about a foot or two away from the heads and
capstan.
> > > Bring the demag. over very slowly to the heads and capstan.  Without
> > > touching heads and capstan move the wand up and down slowly.
> > > Make sure that
> > > you move the wand away slowly from heads and only switch wand off when
you
> > > are a foot or two away.
> > >
> > > I've read that a non-abrasive cassette cleaner is better that a swab
and
> > > alcohol.  They say the swab scratches the heads.
> > >
> > > Maybe the combined demag. / cleaner cassettes are the the way to go.
> > >
> > > I hope this helps.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John F. Butler, Jr." <jbutler at statecollege.com>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 12:04 AM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello All!
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering if one of you could direct me to a product
> > > number for the
> > > > Radio Shack wand demag.  I went there today and all they had were
the
> > > > cassette type.  The wand is prefered over the cassette, correct?
> > > >
> > > > Also, could someone post the correct method of demagnitizing?
> > > Specifically,
> > > > which parts have to be demaged.
> > > >
> > > > Next ... what should I use to clean the rubber wheels on my
> > > deck?  I heard
> > > > that the alcohol head cleaner is not to be used.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all your help!
> > > >
> > > > John Butler
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Wed Feb  2 05:46:24 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 05:46:24 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques
References: <000201bf6cde$81bdc3a0$3254883e@a4s1s2> <3897AD41.1189E56D@snet.net> <00a101bf6d35$6a4711c0$ce98eac7@lazerlink.com>
Message-ID: <001101bf6d38$75d82940$9e3cbbd4@chello.nl>

----- Original Message -----
From: "John F. Butler, Jr." <jbutler at statecollege.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Yet another demag and cleaning ques


> Also, anybody have any info on that Radio Shack demag?  What are you
guys
> using?

AKAI MH-8 demagnetizer and cow or pig leather (don't know the english
word but it's used to dry a window)
I never used the cotton tips because of the thin wires it left. The
leather tips are common in servicing VCR's
rotating headdrums.


Maurits

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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 06:00:15 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:00:15 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <38.1a06b80.25c913df@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/1/00 9:43:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, ClaussTwo at aol.com 
writes:

<< tomshardware at hotmail.com >>
Excuse me for seeming a prig (some might choose a harsher term) but what's 
with the "ha ha ha's" and sarcasm toward Tom? Did this poor guy with the ebay 
ad really have to be subjected to ridicule because he made a mistake and is 
not a NAK afficionado? Is it so far a leap to imagine that the "DR" in dr-3 
stands for "Dragon" if you are a person for whom tape decks are NOT the 
center of the universe? 
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From brianwinans at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  2 10:18:56 2000
From: brianwinans at hotmail.com (brian winans)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:18:56 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <20000202091856.50366.qmail@hotmail.com>

It seems to me that Tom should get his facts straight before he posts 
anything on E-bay. What he did is called false advertising (intentional or 
not). What if no one noticed his mistake, and some innocent buyer who is not 
a "Nak afficionado" thought they were buying a Dragon for $200 dollars? I 
would feel more sorry for the buyer, than the seller. In other words, I have 
no sympathy for the seller. I also have notified the high bidder on what he 
is really bidding on.
Brian


>From: DWEMD2 at aol.com
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
>Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:00:15 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/1/00 9:43:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>ClaussTwo at aol.com
>writes:
>
><< tomshardware at hotmail.com >>
>Excuse me for seeming a prig (some might choose a harsher term) but what's
>with the "ha ha ha's" and sarcasm toward Tom? Did this poor guy with the 
>ebay
>ad really have to be subjected to ridicule because he made a mistake and is
>not a NAK afficionado? Is it so far a leap to imagine that the "DR" in dr-3
>stands for "Dragon" if you are a person for whom tape decks are NOT the
>center of the universe?
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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 13:35:07 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:35:07 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <35.d56e8b.25c97e7b@aol.com>

So this guy deserved public ridicule here?  Justice meted out by us guardians 
of the true faith? Seems to me that if a bidder were savvy enough to know 
what a Dragon is he would also be aware that a DR3 is not one...and that it 
would be pretty unusual to pick one up on eBay for 200 bucks. Caveat emptor. 
I am not arguing that the guy's mistake should not have been corrected and 
perhaps it was a service to notify the high bidder. What struck me was the 
tone of sarcasm and almost moral indignation over this guy's mistake shown by 
some here. Of course, in pointing this out, it looks like I am being critical 
and morally indignant in my own right....can't win! Well, anyway, enough of 
this conflict.... back to demagnetizers......
Don
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From targowski at mediaone.net  Wed Feb  2 13:59:08 2000
From: targowski at mediaone.net (Stan Targowski)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 06:59:08 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
References: <35.d56e8b.25c97e7b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003b01bf6d7d$90877800$70bf8318@ce.mediaone.net>

Well, the seller also suggested that the DR-3 originally listed for around
$1,500. If I remember right, DR3 was more in the $599 ball park. To me,
there is nothing wrong with a little laugh here ...

Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: <DWEMD2 at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak


> So this guy deserved public ridicule here?  Justice meted out by us
guardians
> of the true faith? Seems to me that if a bidder were savvy enough to know
> what a Dragon is he would also be aware that a DR3 is not one...and that
it
> would be pretty unusual to pick one up on eBay for 200 bucks. Caveat
emptor.
> I am not arguing that the guy's mistake should not have been corrected and
> perhaps it was a service to notify the high bidder. What struck me was the
> tone of sarcasm and almost moral indignation over this guy's mistake shown
by
> some here. Of course, in pointing this out, it looks like I am being
critical
> and morally indignant in my own right....can't win! Well, anyway, enough
of
> this conflict.... back to demagnetizers......
> Don
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From brianwinans at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  2 15:23:54 2000
From: brianwinans at hotmail.com (brian winans)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:23:54 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <20000202142354.8975.qmail@hotmail.com>

Thank you Stan.
Brian


>From: "Stan Targowski" <targowski at mediaone.net>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
>Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 06:59:08 -0600
>
>Well, the seller also suggested that the DR-3 originally listed for around
>$1,500. If I remember right, DR3 was more in the $599 ball park. To me,
>there is nothing wrong with a little laugh here ...
>
>Stan
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <DWEMD2 at aol.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
>
>
> > So this guy deserved public ridicule here?  Justice meted out by us
>guardians
> > of the true faith? Seems to me that if a bidder were savvy enough to 
>know
> > what a Dragon is he would also be aware that a DR3 is not one...and that
>it
> > would be pretty unusual to pick one up on eBay for 200 bucks. Caveat
>emptor.
> > I am not arguing that the guy's mistake should not have been corrected 
>and
> > perhaps it was a service to notify the high bidder. What struck me was 
>the
> > tone of sarcasm and almost moral indignation over this guy's mistake 
>shown
>by
> > some here. Of course, in pointing this out, it looks like I am being
>critical
> > and morally indignant in my own right....can't win! Well, anyway, enough
>of
> > this conflict.... back to demagnetizers......
> > Don
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From brianwinans at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  2 15:57:12 2000
From: brianwinans at hotmail.com (brian winans)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:57:12 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <20000202145712.11062.qmail@hotmail.com>

Don,
You never know if a buyer is savvy enough to know what a Dragon is. There 
are a lot of people out there that know that Nakamichi is the best tape deck 
that you can buy, but they don't know a Dragon from a BX-100. I feel it is 
my obligation to let people know what they are attempting to buy. I do not 
like thiefs, or people that try to mislead others. I just came from that 
guys site on E-bay, and he hasn't bothered to change his posting, even 
though he knows it is wrong. This leads me to believe that he is 
intentionally trying to screw the less informed over, which I feel is very 
WRONG! Now getting back to my original point, I don't see anything wrong 
with putting this person down. I am sorry but, I just don't like dishonest 
people, don't hold it against me. YES, let the stoning begin!!!!!
Brian
P.S. Hey blues, tape trading dude. There is a local radio station that plays 
4 hours of blues every Sunday night. They cover everything from the '30's on 
to the modern day blues artists. Yes, they actually play 78rpm records. 
Isn't that just great, that there is a radio station that still plays 
records? If you want to work out a trade sometime, just let me know. By the 
way, I have checked out your Nak site, and it is really cool.
brianwinans at hotmail.com

>From: DWEMD2 at aol.com
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
>Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:35:07 EST
>
>So this guy deserved public ridicule here?  Justice meted out by us 
>guardians
>of the true faith? Seems to me that if a bidder were savvy enough to know
>what a Dragon is he would also be aware that a DR3 is not one...and that it
>would be pretty unusual to pick one up on eBay for 200 bucks. Caveat 
>emptor.
>I am not arguing that the guy's mistake should not have been corrected and
>perhaps it was a service to notify the high bidder. What struck me was the
>tone of sarcasm and almost moral indignation over this guy's mistake shown 
>by
>some here. Of course, in pointing this out, it looks like I am being 
>critical
>and morally indignant in my own right....can't win! Well, anyway, enough of
>this conflict.... back to demagnetizers......
>Don
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From Ninapax24 at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 16:16:10 2000
From: Ninapax24 at aol.com (Ninapax24 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:16:10 EST
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
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hi, which is a better deck the nak RX-202 or the BX-300
 TED
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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 16:30:48 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:30:48 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <d9.bc26a0.25c9a7a8@aol.com>

Brian,

You and Stan make good points about the fellow's inaccuracies, especially the 
one about original MSRP. (But I don't think you can change an eBay listing 
after bids have been received.) Perhaps I gave the guy too much the benefit 
of the doubt...I have been guilty of that before. I certainly have nothing 
against laughter myself, Stan, but it seemed that the comments were rather 
mean-spirited and derisive, not "joking." So, in a moment of questionable 
judgment, I mounted a white horse to champion the oppressed underdog (who 
might not be so innocent afterall.) He is not a subscriber to this forum as 
far as I can tell and is thus being made a joke behind his back as it were. I 
fear that I am making much ado about nothing at this point. Could I need to 
"get a life"?

Reasonable people can differ in their interpretations and I hope I have not 
offended you guys. Thanks.

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From ddrucker at stny.rr.com  Wed Feb  2 16:43:36 2000
From: ddrucker at stny.rr.com (David Drucker)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:43:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
References: <d9.bc26a0.25c9a7a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008701bf6d94$45574d80$258c5f18@stny.rr.com>

PMJI, but you *can* amend an ebay listing after bids are received. The
original listing remains, and additions are noted as to when they're made. I
can understand providing inaccurate information at the outset, but not
providing an update once the need for them has been pointed out is simply
unconscionable.
dd


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> Brian,
>
> You and Stan make good points about the fellow's inaccuracies, especially
the
> one about original MSRP. (But I don't think you can change an eBay listing
> after bids have been received.) Perhaps I gave the guy too much the
benefit
> of the doubt...I have been guilty of that before. I certainly have nothing
> against laughter myself, Stan, but it seemed that the comments were rather
> mean-spirited and derisive, not "joking." So, in a moment of questionable
> judgment, I mounted a white horse to champion the oppressed underdog (who
> might not be so innocent afterall.) He is not a subscriber to this forum
as
> far as I can tell and is thus being made a joke behind his back as it
were. I
> fear that I am making much ado about nothing at this point. Could I need
to
> "get a life"?
>
> Reasonable people can differ in their interpretations and I hope I have
not
> offended you guys. Thanks.
>
> Don
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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Wed Feb  2 16:53:42 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:53:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
In-Reply-To: <d9.bc26a0.25c9a7a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJEEMLCBAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>

While you cannot change an e-bay listing once started, you can add
information to it as desired, (allowing for a retraction or clarification of
some kind), and also allow bidders to retract bids if they feel they were
misled in some way, without any fear of negative feedback being posted
against them.

Roland


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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 17:22:53 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:22:53 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <a9.14a2352.25c9b3dd@aol.com>

Thanks, guys, for the info on changing eBay posts.
Don
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From brianwinans at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  2 18:05:09 2000
From: brianwinans at hotmail.com (brian winans)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:05:09 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <20000202170509.48084.qmail@hotmail.com>

Don,
I have nothing against you. I just think it is wrong for a person to "rip" 
somebody else off. You have not offeneded me in any way. You have a right to 
express your opinions, as do I.
Keep on Nakin'
Brian


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>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
>Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:30:48 EST
>
>Brian,
>
>You and Stan make good points about the fellow's inaccuracies, especially 
>the
>one about original MSRP. (But I don't think you can change an eBay listing
>after bids have been received.) Perhaps I gave the guy too much the benefit
>of the doubt...I have been guilty of that before. I certainly have nothing
>against laughter myself, Stan, but it seemed that the comments were rather
>mean-spirited and derisive, not "joking." So, in a moment of questionable
>judgment, I mounted a white horse to champion the oppressed underdog (who
>might not be so innocent afterall.) He is not a subscriber to this forum as
>far as I can tell and is thus being made a joke behind his back as it were. 
>I
>fear that I am making much ado about nothing at this point. Could I need to
>"get a life"?
>
>Reasonable people can differ in their interpretations and I hope I have not
>offended you guys. Thanks.
>
>Don
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Wed Feb  2 19:07:14 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:07:14 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakYakker of the month....
Message-ID: <KFELBCLHMOFLAAAA@angelfire.com>

RE: NakTalk Digest #'s 160 - 164

Come on now guys, I really didn't intend for you to take this email post so seriously!  Lighten up a bit, its February!!!

Mr Blues

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:59:41   The BlueSwapper wrote:

DATE: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:59:41
From: "The BlueSwapper"  <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: NakYakker of the month....
Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com

>Since its the last day of January 2000, I thought we should lean on the lighter side of life, and start a NakYakker of the month award.  Here's my nomination...
>
>Would you believe that there is now a new breed of Nak Dragon in existence?  Nak Dragon III??  For sale to the highest bidder???  Have a look at this hilarious ebay advert:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=249906292
>
>


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From jacook at ibm.net  Wed Feb  2 20:16:25 2000
From: jacook at ibm.net (Jeff Cook)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:16:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
References: <20000202145712.11062.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38988289.BC749482@ibm.net>


Hmmm...  Might this be KLON?
If so, people outside the area can listen via their web site, www.klon.org .
In addition to blues, Saturday nights are R&B, and the rest of the time is the best
straight-ahead Jazz you'll find anywhere.
And, being a public radio station, there are no commercial breaks.
Probably old news to many here, but then again, maybe not.

Jeff Cook in Sunny So Cal.

brian winans wrote:

> P.S. Hey blues, tape trading dude. There is a local radio station that plays
> 4 hours of blues every Sunday night. They cover everything from the '30's on
> to the modern day blues artists. Yes, they actually play 78rpm records.
> Isn't that just great, that there is a radio station that still plays
> records?

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Feb  2 21:59:43 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:59:43 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
In-Reply-To: <38988289.BC749482@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <000e01bf6dc0$6db39fa0$f81a883e@a4s1s2>

In addition to Nakrophilia, I'm also a vinyl fan.  (You might think I'm
decended from the Luddites!)  Can anyone out there recommend any sites
similar to this one for vinyl fans?  I am particularly keen to get some
advice about filters for removing the crackle and pop of my 78's when I lay
'em down onto cassette.

Graham


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From atan at myna.com  Wed Feb  2 22:20:20 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 16:20:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
References: <000e01bf6dc0$6db39fa0$f81a883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <38989F92.F015C6B4@myna.com>

Hello,

Try the analogue addicts site here:

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4133/links.html

Andrew.

Graham Nelson wrote:

> In addition to Nakrophilia, I'm also a vinyl fan.  (You might think I'm
> decended from the Luddites!)  Can anyone out there recommend any sites
> similar to this one for vinyl fans?  I am particularly keen to get some
> advice about filters for removing the crackle and pop of my 78's when I lay
> 'em down onto cassette.
>
> Graham
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From captain at bestweb.net  Wed Feb  2 17:32:38 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 16:32:38 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
References: <000e01bf6dc0$6db39fa0$f81a883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <38985C26.39E3@bestweb.net>

Graham,
     The SAE 5000 (and 5000A) Impulse Noise Reduction unit is just such
a device.  I've known people who owned these babies and said their
ablilty to remove "pops" and "ticks" from noisy records was almost
miraculous.  They appear from time to time at eBay for reasonable
prices.  They originally retailed for $200 in the late 70's and early
80's and often go for a lot less at eBay.  

                                    Tom
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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 23:54:16 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:54:16 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
Message-ID: <57.167d613.25ca0f98@aol.com>

Graham,
Another great "de-clicker" is the Burwen TNE 7000, about the same vintage as 
the SAE and a worthy competitor to it. The SAE and this operate in "real 
time." If you care to get your computer into the act and have a lot of hard 
disk space there is a great program called "Groove Mechanic" (available for 
download from the Web and costing around 50 dollars.)
Don
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Feb  3 00:01:19 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:01:19 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
In-Reply-To: <38985C26.39E3@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <000f01bf6dd1$6a8a3c60$f81a883e@a4s1s2>

Tom

Thaks for the advice.  I'll be on the lookout for one of these!

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Tom Bergman
> Sent: 02 February 2000 16:33
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Cc: captain at bestweb.net
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
> 
> 
> Graham,
>      The SAE 5000 (and 5000A) Impulse Noise Reduction unit is just such
> a device.  I've known people who owned these babies and said their
> ablilty to remove "pops" and "ticks" from noisy records was almost
> miraculous.  They appear from time to time at eBay for reasonable
> prices.  They originally retailed for $200 in the late 70's and early
> 80's and often go for a lot less at eBay.  
> 
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From gibby at bee.net  Thu Feb  3 01:42:15 2000
From: gibby at bee.net (Gib Lappano)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:42:15 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
References: <20000202145712.11062.qmail@hotmail.com> <38988289.BC749482@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <003b01bf6ddf$84f449c0$9e5a4a3f@gibby>

Johnny Meister on WXPN here in Philly does a great blues show on Saturday
nights from 8pm to 1am. Even better it is public radio, so there are no
commercials. You can also get to it online. www.xpn.org  Enjoy!

Gib



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From JonSpencer at email.msn.com  Thu Feb  3 07:32:57 2000
From: JonSpencer at email.msn.com (Jon Spencer)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:32:57 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
References: <000e01bf6dc0$6db39fa0$f81a883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <007701bf6e10$833cdf80$34de103f@pavilion>

    I own a massive Benny Goodman 78 collection and I have played around
with recording them and found a few analog things that work.  I own a click
and pop remover, the SEA and the 7000 are products I haven't use, but I can
look up the make of mine and email it to you if you're interested.  A couple
other products I have had luck with is a Phase liner 1000 noise reduction.
This works on groove noise ( rumble and hiss) and a 3DBX expander.  78's are
very compress and any thing that adds dynamic range is helpful, also the
3DBX will end up cutting out the higher frequencies  ( thus some noise )
because most 78's do not get over 10k HZ at best.  Another big thing that
works is washing the records.  Pick up a semi stiff soft bristle brush,
check out a kitchen store, and use ivory liquid in warm water.  You will be
surprised at the color of the water after three or four records and you can
wash them with out hitting the label.  I use a Sure V-15 with a 78 needle
attachment.  Don't even think about a 33 needle.  If you get really nuts
invest in a cheap stereo microscope and some dental tools to dig out any
rocks ( not really but that's what they look like under the scope) holes
tend not to cause the big pops.  If  you any other questions just email me.

Jonspencer at msn.com





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From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 12:59 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's


> In addition to Nakrophilia, I'm also a vinyl fan.  (You might think I'm
> decended from the Luddites!)  Can anyone out there recommend any sites
> similar to this one for vinyl fans?  I am particularly keen to get some
> advice about filters for removing the crackle and pop of my 78's when I
lay
> 'em down onto cassette.
>
> Graham
>
>
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From troyt at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  3 14:56:31 2000
From: troyt at hotmail.com (Troy Turner)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 08:56:31 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
Message-ID: <20000203135631.15854.qmail@hotmail.com>

Jon Spencer?  Wow...if there was ever any doubts about just how excellent 
the Naklist group is, here's proof - Jon Spencer = instant cred!

Also, thanks for the 411 on the record washing.  I plan to utilize it after 
my next flea market/ garage sale LP take.




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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  3 15:01:40 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:01:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
Message-ID: <20000203140140.28859.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com>


Honest mistakes often aren't.

--- Stan Targowski <targowski at mediaone.net> wrote:
> Well, the seller also suggested that the DR-3
> originally listed for around $1,500. If I
> remember right, DR3 was more in the $599 ball
> park. To me, there is nothing wrong with a little
> laugh here ...
> 
> Stan
>
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> From: <DWEMD2 at aol.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
> 
> 
> > So this guy deserved public ridicule here?  Justice
> meted out by us
> guardians
> > of the true faith? Seems to me that if a bidder were
> savvy enough to know
> > what a Dragon is he would also be aware that a DR3 is
> not one...and that
> it
> > would be pretty unusual to pick one up on eBay for 200
> bucks. Caveat
> emptor.
> > I am not arguing that the guy's mistake should not have
> been corrected and
> > perhaps it was a service to notify the high bidder.
> What struck me was the
> > tone of sarcasm and almost moral indignation over this
> guy's mistake shown
> by
> > some here. Of course, in pointing this out, it looks
> like I am being
> critical
> > and morally indignant in my own right....can't win!
> Well, anyway, enough
> of
> > this conflict.... back to demagnetizers......
> > Don
> >
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  3 15:08:39 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:08:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
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--- David Drucker <ddrucker at stny.rr.com> wrote:
> PMJI...

PMJI? That's a new one for me. Would you amplify?

-- Ron

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From ddrucker at stny.rr.com  Thu Feb  3 15:16:08 2000
From: ddrucker at stny.rr.com (David Drucker)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:16:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak
References: <20000203140839.4619.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <007601bf6e51$373b4220$258c5f18@stny.rr.com>

It's a holdover from the old days of limited bandwidth: Pardon Me for
Jumping In.
DD

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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak


>
> --- David Drucker <ddrucker at stny.rr.com> wrote:
> > PMJI...
>
> PMJI? That's a new one for me. Would you amplify?
>
> -- Ron
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Feb  3 22:17:00 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:17:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
In-Reply-To: <57.167d613.25ca0f98@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501bf6e8c$02a35a80$2e33883e@a4s1s2>

Don

Thanks - I'll keep a watch out for this one, too.

(Hey, have you noticed, Don  - I seem to have touched a nerve on this
subject, what with the correspondence it's kicked off, and not one complaint
about it not being Nak-related!)

:¬)

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> DWEMD2 at aol.com
> Sent: 02 February 2000 22:54
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
>
>
> Graham,
> Another great "de-clicker" is the Burwen TNE 7000, about the same
> vintage as
> the SAE and a worthy competitor to it. The SAE and this operate in "real
> time." If you care to get your computer into the act and have a
> lot of hard
> disk space there is a great program called "Groove Mechanic"
> (available for
> download from the Web and costing around 50 dollars.)
> Don
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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 00:57:47 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:57:47 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
Message-ID: <88.ae3176.25cb6ffb@aol.com>

Hi, Graham,
Yes, there seems to be a lot interest in the topic of clean analog 
signals...guess it is expectable that we would be concerned with supplying 
the best possible signals to our great decks... so from my perspective you 
are very much "on topic."
Regards,
Don
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From chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 01:20:35 2000
From: chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com (Charles Kelly, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 16:20:35 PST
Subject: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
Message-ID: <20000204002035.8590.qmail@hotmail.com>

Good Evening Fellow "Nak" Owners:

My name is Charles Purvis Kelly, Jr. and I am the proud owner of a 12 year 
old Nakamichi BX-300 Cassette Deck (a fine machine at a good price many 
years ago....  and I still have mine....  all the testimonial that you'll 
need from me), and recently, I believe that I may have misplaced my "Owner's 
Manual".  Does anyone by any chance happen to know where I can get a new 
copy of the manual from??  Or perhaps I can download a copy if anyone will 
be kind enough to post it on the website.  I'll download as soon as I see 
it.  Whoever does that, I'll forever be indebted to you.  Thanks ever so 
much.

Charles....
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From chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 01:44:01 2000
From: chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com (Charles Kelly, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 16:44:01 PST
Subject: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
Message-ID: <20000204004401.29616.qmail@hotmail.com>

Good Evening Fellow "Nak" Owners:

My name is Charles Purvis Kelly, Jr. and I am the proud owner of a 12 year 
old Nakamichi BX-300 Cassette Deck (a fine machine at a good price many 
years ago....  and I still have mine....  all the testimonial that you'll 
need from me), and recently, I believe that I may have misplaced my "Owner's 
Manual".  Does anyone by any chance happen to know where I can get a new 
copy of the manual from??  Or perhaps I can download a copy if anyone will 
be kind enough to post it on the website.  I'll download as soon as I see 
it.  Whoever does that, I'll forever be indebted to you.  Thanks ever so 
much.

Charles....
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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au  Fri Feb  4 01:42:21 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:42:21 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
In-Reply-To: <20000204002035.8590.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200002040046.LAA14113@mail.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Charles.

	The Unofficial Nakamichi web page has an ftp site which you can
download the manual. The address is ftp.naks.com

	Regards Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Charles Kelly, Jr.
Sent: Friday, 4 February 2000 11:21
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....


Good Evening Fellow "Nak" Owners:

My name is Charles Purvis Kelly, Jr. and I am the proud owner of a 12
year
old Nakamichi BX-300 Cassette Deck (a fine machine at a good price many
years ago....  and I still have mine....  all the testimonial that
you'll
need from me), and recently, I believe that I may have misplaced my
"Owner's
Manual".  Does anyone by any chance happen to know where I can get a new
copy of the manual from??  Or perhaps I can download a copy if anyone
will
be kind enough to post it on the website.  I'll download as soon as I
see
it.  Whoever does that, I'll forever be indebted to you.  Thanks ever so
much.

Charles....
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From chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 03:28:07 2000
From: chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com (Charles Kelly, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 18:28:07 PST
Subject: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
Message-ID: <20000204022807.59385.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hi Thomas,

How are you doing??  I found the site that you have told me about.  It was a 
pain in the butt to upload, but it was well worth the effort.  I have 
downloaded me a copy of the manual that goes with my deck.  The print 
quality sucks unfortunately (it's legible and I can read it clearly, but the 
print content is slightly smeared).  While there, I have also downloaded the 
manuals for the CR-5A/CR-7A and Dragon decks (and the print quality of these 
manual are so much better).  I do not own neither of these decks (but I 
wouldn't rule out coming across a CR-7A one day, though), but I just want to 
see what it would be like if I were to own one of them one day.  But anyway, 
thanks for the link.  It was well worth it.  I appreciate it highly.

Charles.


>From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:42:21 +1100
>
>Hi Charles.
>
>	The Unofficial Nakamichi web page has an ftp site which you can
>download the manual. The address is ftp.naks.com
>
>	Regards Tom
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>Charles Kelly, Jr.
>Sent: Friday, 4 February 2000 11:21
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
>
>
>Good Evening Fellow "Nak" Owners:
>
>My name is Charles Purvis Kelly, Jr. and I am the proud owner of a 12
>year
>old Nakamichi BX-300 Cassette Deck (a fine machine at a good price many
>years ago....  and I still have mine....  all the testimonial that
>you'll
>need from me), and recently, I believe that I may have misplaced my
>"Owner's
>Manual".  Does anyone by any chance happen to know where I can get a new
>copy of the manual from??  Or perhaps I can download a copy if anyone
>will
>be kind enough to post it on the website.  I'll download as soon as I
>see
>it.  Whoever does that, I'll forever be indebted to you.  Thanks ever so
>much.
>
>Charles....
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From Psoas38 at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 03:43:48 2000
From: Psoas38 at aol.com (Psoas38 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:43:48 EST
Subject: [naktalk] NAK 550
Message-ID: <d6.10e2549.25cb96e4@aol.com>

Hello to all on this list,
    I am new to the list and the owning of a NAK deck-from the subject you 
could guess what kind! I just received 2 550 dual tracers in the mail today 
and am just alittle excited. I immediately brought down to the certified NAK 
shop-3 weeks is the earliest I will get them back. I just thought I would 
pick your brains on any info you might have regarding this deck. The 
serviceman had nothing but praise of NAKs in general and was saying a lot of 
things that sounded cool but were flying way over my head.I also was 
wondering if any of you have suggestions on mics (recording live music)that 
would complement the deck.  Many thanks for any info.
    Michael
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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au  Fri Feb  4 04:40:06 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:40:06 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
In-Reply-To: <20000204022807.59385.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200002040344.OAA20742@mail.neca.nec.com.au>

HI Charles,

	Your welcome.

	Regards Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Charles Kelly, Jr.
Sent: Friday, 4 February 2000 1:28
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....


Hi Thomas,

How are you doing??  I found the site that you have told me about.  It
was a
pain in the butt to upload, but it was well worth the effort.  I have
downloaded me a copy of the manual that goes with my deck.  The print
quality sucks unfortunately (it's legible and I can read it clearly, but
the
print content is slightly smeared).  While there, I have also downloaded
the
manuals for the CR-5A/CR-7A and Dragon decks (and the print quality of
these
manual are so much better).  I do not own neither of these decks (but I
wouldn't rule out coming across a CR-7A one day, though), but I just
want to
see what it would be like if I were to own one of them one day.  But
anyway,
thanks for the link.  It was well worth it.  I appreciate it highly.

Charles.


>From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" <Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:42:21 +1100
>
>Hi Charles.
>
>	The Unofficial Nakamichi web page has an ftp site which you can
>download the manual. The address is ftp.naks.com
>
>	Regards Tom
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
>Charles Kelly, Jr.
>Sent: Friday, 4 February 2000 11:21
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
>
>
>Good Evening Fellow "Nak" Owners:
>
>My name is Charles Purvis Kelly, Jr. and I am the proud owner of a 12
>year
>old Nakamichi BX-300 Cassette Deck (a fine machine at a good price many
>years ago....  and I still have mine....  all the testimonial that
>you'll
>need from me), and recently, I believe that I may have misplaced my
>"Owner's
>Manual".  Does anyone by any chance happen to know where I can get a
new
>copy of the manual from??  Or perhaps I can download a copy if anyone
>will
>be kind enough to post it on the website.  I'll download as soon as I
>see
>it.  Whoever does that, I'll forever be indebted to you.  Thanks ever
so
>much.
>
>Charles....
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From Modernizy at netscape.net  Fri Feb  4 12:41:10 2000
From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:41:10 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Scratches on cassette tapes 
Message-ID: <389ABAD6.1D1640F4@netscape.net>

Dear Nak fans,

I dared to send a message to this mailing list though it is not
connected with Naks directly. I would like to address to you as the most
knowledgeable and experienced people when it comes to the cassette
equipment. I failed to find the reasonable explanation for this problem
in all the other sources.

The problem is that different cassette decks of different Japan
manufacturers (not Nakamichi) suffer the same fault. They tend to make
scratches and stripes on cassette tapes. Sometimes this scratch is right
in the middle of the tape, sometimes it is closer to either edge.
Usually it happens with TDK Type II & IV tapes, but periodically it
happens with other brands and types. More often this happens to dual
capstan decks.

The main problem is that this phenomenon is not permanent, it emerges
from time to time and you never know when it happens again. Examination
of the damaged cassettes and deck's tape transports did not identify any
obstacles at the tape path or any abnormal deviations during the tape's
playback. The heads, capstans, rollers and directing forks are in good
condition and did not have any burrs on their surfaces.

That is a very short description of this problem. Could you please give
me some pieces of advice on how to overcome it ? If you need more
information, please let me know - I'll try to give you all the details
to the best of my knowledge.

Thank you in advance.

Nick.

PS. Unfortunately I do not have the access to E-mail during weekends, so
do not be offended if you have to wait for my answer till Monday -
forgive me for that, this is a temporally inconvenience and I'm working
hard to overcome it.

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb  5 15:14:47 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:14:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Manual
References: <004301bf6533$c4442140$632f2ac4@coqui.net> <000e01bf6541$b3377920$8a1726d8@krogers>
Message-ID: <001701bf6fe3$5df59c60$ba2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Kevin:

I received your mannual and I just want to tell you how much I want to
thanks you ! The Shape Mark 10 loaded with Maxell XL-II is better and I load
those in my factory for personal use. I use BASF tape for duplication
purposes, but I prefer Maxell for personal recordings.

I can load the tapes for you, but I don't know if the shipping worth. Its'
around $1.00 including the Norelco Box for a C-70.
Around $1.25 for a C-90 loaded with BASF Chrome.

Best,

Carlos

PS. I'll recommend a minimum of 100 pieces to make the shipping worth !


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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carlos <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: January 22, 2000 6:52 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Manual
>
>
> > Hello Fellows:
> >
> > Perhaps you or one of your friends have a Tandberg 3014-A
> > owner's manual that can make me a Xerox copy. Let me know, please !
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > The Tape Man
>
> Hi Carlos. I have a 3014 manual that you can have. Send me your address.
>
> Kevin Rogers
> >
> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb  5 15:22:55 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:22:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Custom Loaded Cassettes for Sale
Message-ID: <001d01bf6fe4$7f558180$ba2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Guys:

As a commercial duplicator, I have access to custom load cassettes
manufactured in my plant. I have received numerous inquires about these
tapes and I feel the obligation to share with those interested. People that
has exchange music with me lately can testify about the quality of these
pieces.

The tape can be Maxell XL-II for a C-70 or BASF Chrome for a C-90. The tape
is loaded in the best commercial shell ever made: The famous Shape Mark 10.

The prices just cover my cost and the Norelco boxes are included:

$1.00 for a Maxell XL-II C-70
$ 1.25 for a BASF Chrome C-90

In order to make your shipping worth,  I'll recommend a minimum of 100
pieces per order. All tapes would be load when your order is received,so,
all orders are custom made for each customer. Special shorter or longer
lenghts available upon request.

Reply off-list for orders.

Best,

Carlos
The Tape Man

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Feb  5 21:57:04 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 21:57:04 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
Message-ID: <000e01bf701b$8edf73e0$00ecfea9@asus>

I have a Nakamichi Zx7 and a N482. The N482 has a defect capstan motor. Is there someone who knows if there are replacement motors. The motor looks like a 'simple' mabuchi motor. I wonder if it is possible to put a better motor in this Nak?

greetings

norman van wijnen
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From fahnoe at FahnoeTech.com  Sun Feb  6 00:44:55 2000
From: fahnoe at FahnoeTech.com (Larry Fahnoe)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:44:55 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for good Nak service
Message-ID: <389CB5F7.F70CB0FF@FahnoeTech.com>

Hello,

I'm looking for a good shop to send a pair of BX-300's in for
overhauls.  I live in Minneapolis, but am willing to ship the decks as
necessary.  Can you offer opinions of shops?  Places you'd go back to,
places to avoid?  Many thanks!

--Larry

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From smoke at snip.net  Sun Feb  6 01:09:39 2000
From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:09:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for good Nak service
References: <389CB5F7.F70CB0FF@FahnoeTech.com>
Message-ID: <389CBBC2.7D51540E@snip.net>

Send it to Steve Sank.  Get his address, phone no. and e-mail address off the NakTalk
site under "Links".

Larry Fahnoe wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm looking for a good shop to send a pair of BX-300's in for
> overhauls.  I live in Minneapolis, but am willing to ship the decks as
> necessary.  Can you offer opinions of shops?  Places you'd go back to,
> places to avoid?  Many thanks!
>
> --Larry
>
> --
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Sun Feb  6 03:02:40 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 03:02:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <000e01bf701b$8edf73e0$00ecfea9@asus>
Message-ID: <002501bf7046$3fc10820$0100a8c0@chello.nl>

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From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:57 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


I have a Nakamichi Zx7 and a N482. The N482 has a defect capstan motor.

In repairshops they sell cassettedeck capstanmotors. Usually you have to
remember a few things. The voltage (12V ), the pulley axe diameter, the
hole distance to mount the motor on the plate, and the direction CW or
CCW. (counterclockwise).
Put the old pully on the new one and with the screw adjust inside on the
back set the proper speed.  It's an easy job to do!



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From Gear119348 at aol.com  Sun Feb  6 05:10:21 2000
From: Gear119348 at aol.com (Gear119348 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 23:10:21 EST
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler
Message-ID: <15.f485b7.25ce4e2d@aol.com>

Hello Everyone
  I've been trying to find a source for Nakamichi parts for my BX-125.  Yes, 
it has the renowned bad idler.  I contacted Sonic Sense, but they apparently 
don't carry Nak parts anymore and are getting out of Nakamichi servicing.  I 
called a number I saw posted here recently (1-800-529-3700) for somebody here 
on the east coast (USA) that sells idlers for the BX, but the number was "not 
available from my calling area".  Can anyone help me get an idler or the 
updated gear drive for this unit?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely, Terry MacD
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From ric_dunn at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  6 14:57:17 2000
From: ric_dunn at yahoo.com (Rick Dunn)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:57:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler
In-Reply-To: <15.f485b7.25ce4e2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <NCBBKHDGJJBIJGOBHPODCEOICBAA.ric_dunn@yahoo.com>

Try Jeff Galin at Electronic Service Labs at 860.529.3700 (USA).  I recently
purchased the gear upgrade kit from him for my BX-125.

Rick

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Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 11:10 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler


Hello Everyone
  I've been trying to find a source for Nakamichi parts for my BX-125.  Yes,
it has the renowned bad idler.  I contacted Sonic Sense, but they apparently
don't carry Nak parts anymore and are getting out of Nakamichi servicing.  I
called a number I saw posted here recently (1-800-529-3700) for somebody
here
on the east coast (USA) that sells idlers for the BX, but the number was
"not
available from my calling area".  Can anyone help me get an idler or the
updated gear drive for this unit?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely, Terry MacD
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  6 15:57:50 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 06:57:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler
Message-ID: <20000206145750.14824.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com>


I recently ordered parts for my CR-7a from:

Nakamichi America Corp.
955 Francisco St.
Torrance, CA 90502

(310) 538-8150

They had all the parts I needed, were helpful,
charged reasonable prices and shipped on time
as promised.

-- Ron


--- Gear119348 at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Everyone
>   I've been trying to find a source for Nakamichi parts
> for my BX-125.  Yes, 
> it has the renowned bad idler.  I contacted Sonic Sense,
> but they apparently 
> don't carry Nak parts anymore and are getting out of
> Nakamichi servicing.  I 
> called a number I saw posted here recently
> (1-800-529-3700) for somebody here 
> on the east coast (USA) that sells idlers for the BX, but
> the number was "not 
> available from my calling area".  Can anyone help me get
> an idler or the 
> updated gear drive for this unit?  Any help would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Sincerely, Terry MacD
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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Sun Feb  6 16:55:09 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:55:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler
Message-ID: <000801bf70ba$9a637320$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>

Hi Ron!

Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a Nakamichi
repair center in Europe?

Wolfgang
>
>Nakamichi America Corp.
>955 Francisco St.
>Torrance, CA 90502
>
>(310) 538-8150
>


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Feb  6 19:21:37 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:21:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler
References: <000801bf70ba$9a637320$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>
Message-ID: <001601bf70cf$020e5c60$b9496acf@jmtooley>

Look under 'links' at www.naks.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" <w.smetanig at chello.at>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler


> Hi Ron!
>
> Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a Nakamichi
> repair center in Europe?
>
> Wolfgang
> >
> >Nakamichi America Corp.
> >955 Francisco St.
> >Torrance, CA 90502
> >
> >(310) 538-8150
> >
>
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sun Feb  6 20:06:23 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:06:23 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <000e01bf701b$8edf73e0$00ecfea9@asus> <002501bf7046$3fc10820$0100a8c0@chello.nl>
Message-ID: <001101bf70d5$5d1ba120$00ecfea9@asus>

Thanks Maurits,

But is a Nak Motor a special motor (wow and flutter) or is a nak motor a
normal quality item?

Norman
----- Original Message -----
From: Maurits <m.raven at chello.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:57 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
>
>
> I have a Nakamichi Zx7 and a N482. The N482 has a defect capstan motor.
>
> In repairshops they sell cassettedeck capstanmotors. Usually you have to
> remember a few things. The voltage (12V ), the pulley axe diameter, the
> hole distance to mount the motor on the plate, and the direction CW or
> CCW. (counterclockwise).
> Put the old pully on the new one and with the screw adjust inside on the
> back set the proper speed.  It's an easy job to do!
>
>
>
> Maurits
>
>
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sun Feb  6 20:11:35 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:11:35 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler
References: <000801bf70ba$9a637320$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>
Message-ID: <002a01bf70d5$fcd621e0$00ecfea9@asus>

For europian repair of Nakamichi and parts you can go to The Netherlands.

Transtec
Rotterdam

Norman van Wijnen

----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig <w.smetanig at chello.at>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler


> Hi Ron!
>
> Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a Nakamichi
> repair center in Europe?
>
> Wolfgang
> >
> >Nakamichi America Corp.
> >955 Francisco St.
> >Torrance, CA 90502
> >
> >(310) 538-8150
> >
>
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  6 20:33:57 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:33:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
Message-ID: <20000206193357.15448.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com>


Nakamichi motors are not an off the shelf item.
They are designed for the specific model deck.
I wouldn't use any other motor for replacement.
The only motor I have ever replaced, for a 582,
was fairly reasonable in cost.

-- Ron


--- Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl> wrote:
> Thanks Maurits,
> 
> But is a Nak Motor a special motor (wow and flutter) or
> is a nak motor a normal quality item?
> 
> Norman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maurits <m.raven at chello.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 3:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:57 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
> >
> >
> > I have a Nakamichi Zx7 and a N482. The N482 has a
> defect capstan motor.
> >
> > In repairshops they sell cassettedeck capstanmotors.
> Usually you have to
> > remember a few things. The voltage (12V ), the pulley
> axe diameter, the
> > hole distance to mount the motor on the plate, and the
> direction CW or
> > CCW. (counterclockwise).
> > Put the old pully on the new one and with the screw
> adjust inside on the
> > back set the proper speed.  It's an easy job to do!
> >
> >
> >
> > Maurits
> >
> >
> >
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Mon Feb  7 02:05:15 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 02:05:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <000e01bf701b$8edf73e0$00ecfea9@asus> <002501bf7046$3fc10820$0100a8c0@chello.nl> <001101bf70d5$5d1ba120$00ecfea9@asus>
Message-ID: <002a01bf7107$648d12e0$9e3cbbd4@chello.nl>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


> Thanks Maurits,
>
> But is a Nak Motor a special motor (wow and flutter) or is a nak
motor a
> normal quality item?


You mentioned de Mabouchi brand for the capstan motor. It's nothing
special at all.
Just like dolby IC's and other parts, only Nak can make the best out
of it...
But the tapeheads and the tapehandling makes it the number one.
Sometimes manufacturers use special quality parts built on request,
but this motor is a normal production model.


Maurits

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From m.raven at chello.nl  Mon Feb  7 03:16:52 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 03:16:52 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <20000206193357.15448.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <000901bf7111$65ea4d60$9e3cbbd4@chello.nl>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


>
> Nakamichi motors are not an off the shelf item.
> They are designed for the specific model deck.

No, Nak don't made them theirselves, it's regular stuff, nothing
special.


Maurits


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From apd at net.bluemoon.net  Mon Feb  7 07:42:40 2000
From: apd at net.bluemoon.net (Tony Dalessio)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 01:42:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000207013418.009f4b80@net.bluemoon.net>


I have an opportunity to purchase a Nak 550 at a reasonable price. 
Unfortunately there is no manual, and no power supply either.  I'm not too 
worried about the power supply, as it will be mostly run from a 
battery.  Does anyone know if a manual is available to download off the 
net?  I have a few questions, so if I can't download a manual, I would 
appreciate it if someone who owns/owned one would answer a few questions 
via private email.

Thanks.
Tony

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From ddavid at ntplx.net  Mon Feb  7 16:38:59 2000
From: ddavid at ntplx.net (ddavid)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:38:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a CR-1A
Message-ID: <003601bf7181$771ef2a0$4b691bd1@netlincpractice.com>

Anyone have a CR-1A (or equivalent) for sale?

Dan David
ddavid at ntplx.net



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From eslabs at prodigy.net  Mon Feb  7 15:37:13 2000
From: eslabs at prodigy.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:37:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <000e01bf701b$8edf73e0$00ecfea9@asus> <002501bf7046$3fc10820$0100a8c0@chello.nl>
Message-ID: <00f501bf718b$6f31f100$3a469cd1@jeffrey>

Maurits,

We have the original motor in stock.

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

Nakamichi Serviced Here
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike
Wethersfield, Connecticut  USA
(860)529-3700  M-F 8am-6pm EST (-5 GMT)
eslabs at prodigy.net
www.eslabs.com



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From: "Maurits" <m.raven at chello.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:57 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


I have a Nakamichi Zx7 and a N482. The N482 has a defect capstan motor.

In repairshops they sell cassettedeck capstanmotors. Usually you have to
remember a few things. The voltage (12V ), the pulley axe diameter, the
hole distance to mount the motor on the plate, and the direction CW or
CCW. (counterclockwise).
Put the old pully on the new one and with the screw adjust inside on the
back set the proper speed.  It's an easy job to do!



Maurits


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From bochar at epix.net  Mon Feb  7 18:05:57 2000
From: bochar at epix.net (bob)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 12:05:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a CR-1A
References: <003601bf7181$771ef2a0$4b691bd1@netlincpractice.com>
Message-ID: <389EFB75.F15396A1@epix.net>

Hi:
 I have a mint 480z with little use. Manual, no box.
Asking $200, plus shipping.
Had a chance to buy a Cr-1A, but Nakamaniacs on this site said the 480Z
was better.
  It has two head, three motors, the diffused system and tape
lifter which higher priced NAKs have.
  Please let me know at this email address and copy to my work eamail
 epcn at poconorecord.com
where I work out of town five says a week.
   Thanks,
    bob
PS:
 I have a Cr-7A in my main system, in case you were wondering why I am
selling it. Was used sparingly in a second system.
I am second owner and receipts available (if I can find them) from
original purchse. All local here in Reading, Pa. 

ddavid wrote:
> 
> Anyone have a CR-1A (or equivalent) for sale?
> 
> Dan David
> ddavid at ntplx.net
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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Mon Feb  7 18:18:58 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:18:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a CR-1A
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They are regularly available on auction, ebay.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251501876

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=249278671

Roland
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  7 17:49:44 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:49:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
Message-ID: <20000207164944.17916.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com>



--- Maurits <m.raven at chello.nl> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <ronami at yahoo.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
> 
> 
> >
> > Nakamichi motors are not an off the shelf item.
> > They are designed for the specific model deck.
> 
> No, Nak don't made them theirselves, it's regular stuff,
> nothing
> special.
> 
> 
> Maurits
> 

No, of course, Nakamichi does not make motors.
What I said was that the motor would not be an
off-the-shelf item. I agree that it's nothing
'special', but I suspect it's unique. 

It does not make sense for a manufacturer that
needs, say, 10000 motors a year, to make them.
They would choose a standard (or possibly, a
standard, modified for a particular requirement)
motor from a motor manufacturer's catalog. The
motor will be marked with the P/N specified by
the OEM customer (in this case, Nakamichi). In
most cases, the end user will not be able to
cross reference the motor to its source
manufacturer part number. So, it is highly
unlikely he will be able to order it, quantity
one, directly from that manufacturer, even if
it's one of their standard motors. Since it
could be modified from a standard design in
fairly subtle ways (say, different material
bearings), I wouldn't do it anyway, just to
save 5 bucks or so.

I used to be the Engineering Manager for a
company that made chart recorders. I am
experienced with the process of OEM motor
selection. I doubt anyone buying OEM motors
would use a different approach to motor
purchasing.

I still feel that replacement motors should
be obtained directly from Nakamichi, if at
all possible. 

Regards,

-- Ron

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From m.raven at chello.nl  Tue Feb  8 01:47:00 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:47:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <20000207164944.17916.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <000701bf71ce$027559b0$9e3cbbd4@chello.nl>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


> > > Nakamichi motors are not an off the shelf item. They are
designed for the specific model deck.
> >
> > No, Nak don't made them theirselves, it's regular stuff, nothing
special.
> I still feel that replacement motors should be obtained directly
from Nakamichi, if at
> all possible.
>
>
Why to pay more, if you can get the same type in a repairshop? Example
is the Mabouchi brand,
if the modelnumber is the same , no need to sell it from a Nakamichi
dealer.
But there is not much difference in capstan motors specs, like
continous speed. They all are good.
And the bearing quality is outlined by the pully/rubber band combo.


Maurits

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From mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au  Tue Feb  8 03:03:02 2000
From: mdhjwh at ozemail.com.au (mdhjwh)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:03:02 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
References: <000e01bf6dc0$6db39fa0$f81a883e@a4s1s2> <38989F92.F015C6B4@myna.com>
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Subject:
             FS: Nakamichi decks
        Date:
             Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:57:18 -0500
       From:
             "Jeffrey Galin" <jgalin at eslabs.com>
 Organization:
             Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com
 Newsgroups:
             rec.audio.marketplace, rec.audio.misc, rec.audio.pro, rec.audio.tubes




TO ALL NAKAMICHI LOVERS,

 I obtained all the Nakamichi ZX-9 s from Nakamichi's recording studio
 in California.  They were sent to me by the President of Nakamichi
 with the intent to be overhauled and sold to Nakamichi enthusiasts.

 They have been overhauled and are in excellent to mint condition!
 They come boxed with a copy of the owner's manual and
 a 1 YEAR WARRANTY,  just like when they were new !!
 The cost is  $1000 plus S & H.

 If you know Nakamichi cassette decks,
 you know why Nakamichi used the ZX-9 s in THEIR recording studio.

 Other models and parts also available.
 We also have the BX/MR idler tires and gear reel drive mod kits !

 I have been doing Nakamichi Authorized Service for over 25 years.
 For a reference contact parts at nakamichi.com .

 Feel free to call me at 860.529.3700.  M-F 8AM to 6PM  EST.(-5 GMT)
 www.eslabs.com   or  eslabs at prodigy.net

 Sincerely,
 Jeffrey Galin

 Nakamichi Serviced Here
 ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
 1807 Berlin Turnpike
 Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA










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From mcpas at compcom.com.au  Tue Feb  8 02:57:02 2000
From: mcpas at compcom.com.au (Tony McKay)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:57:02 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Scratches on cassette tapes 
Message-ID: <B0000562739@cpc-server.compcom.com.au>

i have experienced this problem, which is very noticable when you use tapes
for calibration. i' sure it's caused by molding flaws inside the cassette
housing if you pull the cassette apart you'll probably matching marks on
the housing

----------
> From: Nick <Modernizy at netscape.net>
> To: Naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Scratches on cassette tapes 
> Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:41 PM
> 
> Dear Nak fans,
> 
> I dared to send a message to this mailing list though it is not
> connected with Naks directly. I would like to address to you as the most
> knowledgeable and experienced people when it comes to the cassette
> equipment. I failed to find the reasonable explanation for this problem
> in all the other sources.
> 
> The problem is that different cassette decks of different Japan
> manufacturers (not Nakamichi) suffer the same fault. They tend to make
> scratches and stripes on cassette tapes. Sometimes this scratch is right
> in the middle of the tape, sometimes it is closer to either edge.
> Usually it happens with TDK Type II & IV tapes, but periodically it
> happens with other brands and types. More often this happens to dual
> capstan decks.
> 
> The main problem is that this phenomenon is not permanent, it emerges
> from time to time and you never know when it happens again. Examination
> of the damaged cassettes and deck's tape transports did not identify any
> obstacles at the tape path or any abnormal deviations during the tape's
> playback. The heads, capstans, rollers and directing forks are in good
> condition and did not have any burrs on their surfaces.
> 
> That is a very short description of this problem. Could you please give
> me some pieces of advice on how to overcome it ? If you need more
> information, please let me know - I'll try to give you all the details
> to the best of my knowledge.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Nick.
> 
> PS. Unfortunately I do not have the access to E-mail during weekends, so
> do not be offended if you have to wait for my answer till Monday -
> forgive me for that, this is a temporally inconvenience and I'm working
> hard to overcome it.
> 
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From mcpas at compcom.com.au  Tue Feb  8 02:52:05 2000
From: mcpas at compcom.com.au (Tony McKay)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:52:05 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550
Message-ID: <B0000562738@cpc-server.compcom.com.au>

get it, these would be the the best portable cassette decks ever made, they
are very similar to 250,350,500,600 etc.
ihave used a 250 in cars for too many years, i don't think the power supply
is super critical as a switch mode power supply is used internally.

----------
> From: Tony Dalessio <apd at net.bluemoon.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550
> Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 5:42 PM
> 
> 
> I have an opportunity to purchase a Nak 550 at a reasonable price. 
> Unfortunately there is no manual, and no power supply either.  I'm not
too 
> worried about the power supply, as it will be mostly run from a 
> battery.  Does anyone know if a manual is available to download off the 
> net?  I have a few questions, so if I can't download a manual, I would 
> appreciate it if someone who owns/owned one would answer a few questions 
> via private email.
> 
> Thanks.
> Tony
> 
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From japho at cunyvm.cuny.edu  Tue Feb  8 15:25:29 2000
From: japho at cunyvm.cuny.edu (Javier Perez)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:25:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Scratches on cassette tapes
References: <B0000562739@cpc-server.compcom.com.au>
Message-ID: <38A02759.1E3B8557@cunyvm.cuny.edu>

Hi
Very interesting topic Nak or no, why didn't I think of it?
I had the same problem on my teac A400 until I retired it.
It was even worse on an Aiwa portable I had. After some use on
this one the tapes became unplayable! I'm convinced that the
problem was caused by faulty or worn out heads. The reason
the scratch happens in the middle or 1/4 of the way down is because there
is a disimilar materials boundary there and wear is not the same for both.
If you run your nail on the head cross wise you may actually feel a ridge!
I did. That was the problem on my Teac  anyway.  I think you may find the
same thing on your deck. Let us know please. My 2 Naks are perfect though
tape surfaces look new after many playbacks thank heavens.
Javier

Tony McKay wrote:

> i have experienced this problem, which is very noticable when you use tapes
> for calibration. i' sure it's caused by molding flaws inside the cassette
> housing if you pull the cassette apart you'll probably matching marks on
> the housing
>
> ----------
> > From: Nick <Modernizy at netscape.net>
> > To: Naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Scratches on cassette tapes
> > Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:41 PM
> >
> > Dear Nak fans,
> >
> > I dared to send a message to this mailing list though it is not
> > connected with Naks directly. I would like to address to you as the most
> > knowledgeable and experienced people when it comes to the cassette
> > equipment. I failed to find the reasonable explanation for this problem
> > in all the other sources.
> >
> > The problem is that different cassette decks of different Japan
> > manufacturers (not Nakamichi) suffer the same fault. They tend to make
> > scratches and stripes on cassette tapes. Sometimes this scratch is right
> > in the middle of the tape, sometimes it is closer to either edge.
> > Usually it happens with TDK Type II & IV tapes, but periodically it
> > happens with other brands and types. More often this happens to dual
> > capstan decks.
> >
> > The main problem is that this phenomenon is not permanent, it emerges
> > from time to time and you never know when it happens again. Examination
> > of the damaged cassettes and deck's tape transports did not identify any
> > obstacles at the tape path or any abnormal deviations during the tape's
> > playback. The heads, capstans, rollers and directing forks are in good
> > condition and did not have any burrs on their surfaces.
> >
> > That is a very short description of this problem. Could you please give
> > me some pieces of advice on how to overcome it ? If you need more
> > information, please let me know - I'll try to give you all the details
> > to the best of my knowledge.
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > Nick.
> >
> > PS. Unfortunately I do not have the access to E-mail during weekends, so
> > do not be offended if you have to wait for my answer till Monday -
> > forgive me for that, this is a temporally inconvenience and I'm working
> > hard to overcome it.
> >
> >
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Tue Feb  8 23:32:33 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:32:33 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <20000206193357.15448.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01bf7284$64fe4c20$00ecfea9@asus>

The original capstan motor for the Nak482 cost in the netherlands about 85
dollars. I think (not for sure)  the regular motors who looks the same are
about 20 dollars so that's a amazing difference.

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


>
> Nakamichi motors are not an off the shelf item.
> They are designed for the specific model deck.
> I wouldn't use any other motor for replacement.
> The only motor I have ever replaced, for a 582,
> was fairly reasonable in cost.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> --- Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl> wrote:
> > Thanks Maurits,
> >
> > But is a Nak Motor a special motor (wow and flutter) or
> > is a nak motor a normal quality item?
> >
> > Norman
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Maurits <m.raven at chello.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 3:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:57 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a Nakamichi Zx7 and a N482. The N482 has a
> > defect capstan motor.
> > >
> > > In repairshops they sell cassettedeck capstanmotors.
> > Usually you have to
> > > remember a few things. The voltage (12V ), the pulley
> > axe diameter, the
> > > hole distance to mount the motor on the plate, and the
> > direction CW or
> > > CCW. (counterclockwise).
> > > Put the old pully on the new one and with the screw
> > adjust inside on the
> > > back set the proper speed.  It's an easy job to do!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maurits
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From aguyes at roanoke.infi.net  Wed Feb  9 04:26:35 2000
From: aguyes at roanoke.infi.net (Alan Guyes)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:26:35 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <20000207164944.17916.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> <000701bf71ce$027559b0$9e3cbbd4@chello.nl>
Message-ID: <004301bf72ad$78b80de0$5ae1fea9@alan01>

We have frequently substituted Mabouchi motors when the Nak hasn't been
available (NLA or backordered) or if the customer is trying to save a bit on
the repair.  I have never found an instance when this substitution has
degraded the performance of the deck.  We of course check the deck's W/F
after repair and always take an actual listen after repair/calibration to
confirm the actual performance of the deck.  To me it's one of the few legit
ways of repairing a Nak less expensively.
Alan Guyes
Audiotronics, Inc.
Roanoke, VA (USA)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Maurits" <m.raven at chello.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron" <ronami at yahoo.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 5:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
>
>
> > > > Nakamichi motors are not an off the shelf item. They are
> designed for the specific model deck.
> > >
> > > No, Nak don't made them theirselves, it's regular stuff, nothing
> special.
> > I still feel that replacement motors should be obtained directly
> from Nakamichi, if at
> > all possible.
> >
> >
> Why to pay more, if you can get the same type in a repairshop? Example
> is the Mabouchi brand,
> if the modelnumber is the same , no need to sell it from a Nakamichi
> dealer.
> But there is not much difference in capstan motors specs, like
> continous speed. They all are good.
> And the bearing quality is outlined by the pully/rubber band combo.
>
>
> Maurits
>
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Wed Feb  9 08:07:15 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:07:15 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <20000206193357.15448.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> <000e01bf7284$64fe4c20$00ecfea9@asus>
Message-ID: <001c01bf72cc$4bb39b60$9e3cbbd4@mj586>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman van Wijnen" <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi


> The original capstan motor for the Nak482 cost in the netherlands
about 85
> dollars. I think (not for sure)  the regular motors who looks the same
are
> about 20 dollars so that's a amazing difference.

The price is much lesser, a replacement cost about $10 (F. 20)
These motors are universal types, so you have to put the original pully
from the defective one
to the new motor.And as I mentioned before, check the mounting plate for
the proper holes,
the voltage (usually 12V), the spindle diameter and CW (or CCW)
direction.



Maurits


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From danielpoeana at worldnet.att.net  Wed Feb  9 08:19:28 2000
From: danielpoeana at worldnet.att.net (Daniel Poeana)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:19:28 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler
References: <000801bf70ba$9a637320$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>
Message-ID: <38A11500.14BFFCE5@worldnet.att.net>

I just purchased a set of pressure rollers for my CR7 from Nakamichi
California and a Service Manual.
In the process of placing the order I mentioned to Patty (their Parts
key person) I was in process of temporary relocating to Switzerland for
my job and I was concerned of parts should I need any.
She said that if I Email her at <parts at nakamichi.com> she will give me
the info for their European counterpart (I believe in Germany) that
should have (same?) parts available...

As for their FAX in CA, I just checked their Packing List form: no FAX
number...  just Phone and Address.



Daniel Poeana,
Beaverton OR USA

"Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
> 
> Hi Ron!
> 
> Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a Nakamichi
> repair center in Europe?
> 
> Wolfgang
> >
> >Nakamichi America Corp.
> >955 Francisco St.
> >Torrance, CA 90502
> >
> >(310) 538-8150
> >
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From mcpas at compcom.com.au  Wed Feb  9 11:50:01 2000
From: mcpas at compcom.com.au (Tony McKay)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:50:01 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
Message-ID: <B0000563588@cpc-server.compcom.com.au>

I totally agree.
Although Nakanichi were/are a great company I beleive they specialised in
research and producing the best heads,. I don'y think the producion of
cheap motors would have concerned them and now the the cost of inventory
would definately add tto the price. when i was young you could get Rp53
Super heads for about $aus30!
Tony

----------
> From: Alan Guyes <aguyes at roanoke.infi.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
> Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:26 PM
> 
> We have frequently substituted Mabouchi motors when the Nak hasn't been
> available (NLA or backordered) or if the customer is trying to save a bit
on
> the repair.  I have never found an instance when this substitution has
> degraded the performance of the deck.  We of course check the deck's W/F
> after repair and always take an actual listen after repair/calibration to
> confirm the actual performance of the deck.  To me it's one of the few
legit
> ways of repairing a Nak less expensively.
> Alan Guyes
> Audiotronics, Inc.
> Roanoke, VA (USA)
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maurits" <m.raven at chello.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron" <ronami at yahoo.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 5:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
> >
> >
> > > > > Nakamichi motors are not an off the shelf item. They are
> > designed for the specific model deck.
> > > >
> > > > No, Nak don't made them theirselves, it's regular stuff, nothing
> > special.
> > > I still feel that replacement motors should be obtained directly
> > from Nakamichi, if at
> > > all possible.
> > >
> > >
> > Why to pay more, if you can get the same type in a repairshop? Example
> > is the Mabouchi brand,
> > if the modelnumber is the same , no need to sell it from a Nakamichi
> > dealer.
> > But there is not much difference in capstan motors specs, like
> > continous speed. They all are good.
> > And the bearing quality is outlined by the pully/rubber band combo.
> >
> >
> > Maurits
> >
> >
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From mcpas at compcom.com.au  Wed Feb  9 11:56:05 2000
From: mcpas at compcom.com.au (Tony McKay)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:56:05 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Scratches on cassette tapes
Message-ID: <B0000563589@cpc-server.compcom.com.au>

teac a 400, you must be nearly as old as me, my first deck was a teac a220!
I've been servicing Naks for nearly 25years both as authorised service
centre and independant and have always noticed marks on the tapes even on 
brand new heads, i'm sure it's caused by the cassette housing.
the genuine nak heads are made of permalloy and it's seems to have a very
even consistency whereas sendust etc seem to vary a lot and be prone to
pitting so have a much shorter life.
regards Tony


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> From: Javier Perez <japho at cunyvm.cuny.edu>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scratches on cassette tapes
> Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 1:25 AM
> 
> Hi
> Very interesting topic Nak or no, why didn't I think of it?
> I had the same problem on my teac A400 until I retired it.
> It was even worse on an Aiwa portable I had. After some use on
> this one the tapes became unplayable! I'm convinced that the
> problem was caused by faulty or worn out heads. The reason
> the scratch happens in the middle or 1/4 of the way down is because there
> is a disimilar materials boundary there and wear is not the same for
both.
> If you run your nail on the head cross wise you may actually feel a
ridge!
> I did. That was the problem on my Teac  anyway.  I think you may find the
> same thing on your deck. Let us know please. My 2 Naks are perfect though
> tape surfaces look new after many playbacks thank heavens.
> Javier
> 
> Tony McKay wrote:
> 
> > i have experienced this problem, which is very noticable when you use
tapes
> > for calibration. i' sure it's caused by molding flaws inside the
cassette
> > housing if you pull the cassette apart you'll probably matching marks
on
> > the housing
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Nick <Modernizy at netscape.net>
> > > To: Naktalk at naks.com
> > > Subject: [naktalk] Scratches on cassette tapes
> > > Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:41 PM
> > >
> > > Dear Nak fans,
> > >
> > > I dared to send a message to this mailing list though it is not
> > > connected with Naks directly. I would like to address to you as the
most
> > > knowledgeable and experienced people when it comes to the cassette
> > > equipment. I failed to find the reasonable explanation for this
problem
> > > in all the other sources.
> > >
> > > The problem is that different cassette decks of different Japan
> > > manufacturers (not Nakamichi) suffer the same fault. They tend to
make
> > > scratches and stripes on cassette tapes. Sometimes this scratch is
right
> > > in the middle of the tape, sometimes it is closer to either edge.
> > > Usually it happens with TDK Type II & IV tapes, but periodically it
> > > happens with other brands and types. More often this happens to dual
> > > capstan decks.
> > >
> > > The main problem is that this phenomenon is not permanent, it emerges
> > > from time to time and you never know when it happens again.
Examination
> > > of the damaged cassettes and deck's tape transports did not identify
any
> > > obstacles at the tape path or any abnormal deviations during the
tape's
> > > playback. The heads, capstans, rollers and directing forks are in
good
> > > condition and did not have any burrs on their surfaces.
> > >
> > > That is a very short description of this problem. Could you please
give
> > > me some pieces of advice on how to overcome it ? If you need more
> > > information, please let me know - I'll try to give you all the
details
> > > to the best of my knowledge.
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance.
> > >
> > > Nick.
> > >
> > > PS. Unfortunately I do not have the access to E-mail during weekends,
so
> > > do not be offended if you have to wait for my answer till Monday -
> > > forgive me for that, this is a temporally inconvenience and I'm
working
> > > hard to overcome it.
> > >
> > >
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Thu Feb 10 08:38:26 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:38:26 +0100
Subject: AW: [naktalk] BX-125 Idler
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE779EBE9@mchh214e.demchh201e.oen.siemens.de>

Hi Daniel

please let us German Nak owners know when you receive this information
because it is very difficult to get parts or even information here.
Everything from mail addresses to postal addresses are welcome

Regards

	Klaus


> I just purchased a set of pressure rollers for my CR7 from Nakamichi
> California and a Service Manual.
> In the process of placing the order I mentioned to Patty (their Parts
> key person) I was in process of temporary relocating to Switzerland for
> my job and I was concerned of parts should I need any.
> She said that if I Email her at <parts at nakamichi.com> she will give me
> the info for their European counterpart (I believe in Germany) that
> should have (same?) parts available...
> 
> As for their FAX in CA, I just checked their Packing List form: no FAX
> number...  just Phone and Address.
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel Poeana,
> Beaverton OR USA
> 
> "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Ron!
> > 
> > Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a Nakamichi
> > repair center in Europe?
> > 
> > Wolfgang
> > >
> > >Nakamichi America Corp.
> > >955 Francisco St.
> > >Torrance, CA 90502
> > >
> > >(310) 538-8150
> > >
> > 
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Feb 10 09:12:10 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:12:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Motors Nakamichi
References: <20000206193357.15448.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> <000e01bf7284$64fe4c20$00ecfea9@asus> <001c01bf72cc$4bb39b60$9e3cbbd4@mj586>
Message-ID: <38A272DA.AF84BD3B@xs4all.nl>

Hi Everyone!

The "Capstan Motors Nakamichi" discussion intrigued me and got me to send Nak guru
Hideo Goto a mail about this subject and this is what he replied:


>> Hello Wouter,
>>
>> In fact, we have used a Mabuchi motor at a control for the Azimuth unit for
>> example.
>> And even for the take-up motor or the head loading motor, if it could fit
>> the servo circuit outside motor in good, then it would be OK I think.
>> The point is the main (capstan) motor.
>> Almost main motor in deck which has a governor circuit inside itself to
>> drive in constant speed.
>> I don't know whether Mabuchi has the motor such as above.
>> Anyway it will be good if the motor can drive in constant speed correctly.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Goto
>>

This is good news I guess!

Wouter

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From danielpoeana at worldnet.att.net  Thu Feb 10 09:28:00 2000
From: danielpoeana at worldnet.att.net (Daniel Poeana)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:28:00 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts in Europe
References: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE779EBE9@mchh214e.demchh201e.oen.siemens.de>
Message-ID: <38A27690.AAB16C0E@worldnet.att.net>

I just got the response from them.
Here it is:


******************************
Company name is Gehado,
ph# is 0231-937000-36
person's name is Gert Haarmann
Sincerely
Parts Department (USA)
*****************************


DanielP
Beaverton OR USA




Fendt Klaus wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel
> 
> please let us German Nak owners know when you receive this information
> because it is very difficult to get parts or even information here.
> Everything from mail addresses to postal addresses are welcome
> 
> Regards
> 
>         Klaus
> 
> > I just purchased a set of pressure rollers for my CR7 from Nakamichi
> > California and a Service Manual.
> > In the process of placing the order I mentioned to Patty (their Parts
> > key person) I was in process of temporary relocating to Switzerland for
> > my job and I was concerned of parts should I need any.
> > She said that if I Email her at <parts at nakamichi.com> she will give me
> > the info for their European counterpart (I believe in Germany) that
> > should have (same?) parts available...
> >
> > As for their FAX in CA, I just checked their Packing List form: no FAX
> > number...  just Phone and Address.
> >
> >
> >
> > Daniel Poeana,
> > Beaverton OR USA
> >
> > "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ron!
> > >
> > > Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a Nakamichi
> > > repair center in Europe?
> > >
> > > Wolfgang
> > > >
> > > >Nakamichi America Corp.
> > > >955 Francisco St.
> > > >Torrance, CA 90502
> > > >
> > > >(310) 538-8150
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Thu Feb 10 09:49:00 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:49:00 +0100
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Nak parts in Europe
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE779EBEC@mchh214e.demchh201e.oen.siemens.de>

Daniel,

following your information I found out the following link
http://www.gehado.de where additional information can be found.

What's interessting to us: 
They say that they really can deliver Nakamichi parts, so: Who wants to try
their service or has already done so? Let us know whether they can compete
with our special friend Steven Sank (Steven: Regards from Germany).

Klaus



> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Daniel Poeana [SMTP:danielpoeana at worldnet.att.net]
> Gesendet am:	Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2000 09:28
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	[naktalk] Nak parts in Europe
> 
> I just got the response from them.
> Here it is:
> 
> 
> ******************************
> Company name is Gehado,
> ph# is 0231-937000-36
> person's name is Gert Haarmann
> Sincerely
> Parts Department (USA)
> *****************************
> 
> 
> DanielP
> Beaverton OR USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Fendt Klaus wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Daniel
> > 
> > please let us German Nak owners know when you receive this information
> > because it is very difficult to get parts or even information here.
> > Everything from mail addresses to postal addresses are welcome
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> >         Klaus
> > 
> > > I just purchased a set of pressure rollers for my CR7 from Nakamichi
> > > California and a Service Manual.
> > > In the process of placing the order I mentioned to Patty (their Parts
> > > key person) I was in process of temporary relocating to Switzerland
> for
> > > my job and I was concerned of parts should I need any.
> > > She said that if I Email her at <parts at nakamichi.com> she will give me
> > > the info for their European counterpart (I believe in Germany) that
> > > should have (same?) parts available...
> > >
> > > As for their FAX in CA, I just checked their Packing List form: no FAX
> > > number...  just Phone and Address.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Daniel Poeana,
> > > Beaverton OR USA
> > >
> > > "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ron!
> > > >
> > > > Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a
> Nakamichi
> > > > repair center in Europe?
> > > >
> > > > Wolfgang
> > > > >
> > > > >Nakamichi America Corp.
> > > > >955 Francisco St.
> > > > >Torrance, CA 90502
> > > > >
> > > > >(310) 538-8150
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From copytec at coqui.net  Thu Feb 10 14:18:04 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:18:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
References: <003601bf7181$771ef2a0$4b691bd1@netlincpractice.com>
Message-ID: <003301bf73c9$43cea4a0$a82f2ac4@coqui.net>

Be aware fellows Nakamaniacs !

Before you go to E. Bay and pay up to $150.00 for a Service Mannual , go to
parts at nakamichi.com and ask Patty Berretta about it ! I just bought a
service manual for my Dragon for $20.00 !! Original ! And I have seen people
paying $100.00 for it at E. Bay !!!!! Jesus Christ !

Cheers,

The Tape Man

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From mcpas at compcom.com.au  Thu Feb 10 13:32:30 2000
From: mcpas at compcom.com.au (Tony McKay)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:32:30 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
Message-ID: <B0000564710@cpc-server.compcom.com.au>


hi again,
aren't there lots of manuals on a server somewhere?. i know a lot less
about computing than audio. i have lots of old nak manuals, so if anyones
desperate i could make an effort to get them scanned and post them if you
let me know how.
regards
tony
ps what about copyright?
----------
> From: Carlos <copytec at coqui.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
> Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 12:18 AM
> 
> Be aware fellows Nakamaniacs !
> 
> Before you go to E. Bay and pay up to $150.00 for a Service Mannual , go
to
> parts at nakamichi.com and ask Patty Berretta about it ! I just bought a
> service manual for my Dragon for $20.00 !! Original ! And I have seen
people
> paying $100.00 for it at E. Bay !!!!! Jesus Christ !
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> The Tape Man
> 
>
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From brianwinans at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 10 14:56:35 2000
From: brianwinans at hotmail.com (brian winans)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:56:35 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
Message-ID: <20000210135635.35522.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hey Carlos,
I really don't think Jesus had anything to do with this, but thanks for 
letting us know. :P
Brian
The Grateful Dead tape man



>From: "Tony McKay" <mcpas at compcom.com.au>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:32:30 +1100
>
>
>hi again,
>aren't there lots of manuals on a server somewhere?. i know a lot less
>about computing than audio. i have lots of old nak manuals, so if anyones
>desperate i could make an effort to get them scanned and post them if you
>let me know how.
>regards
>tony
>ps what about copyright?
>----------
> > From: Carlos <copytec at coqui.net>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
> > Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 12:18 AM
> >
> > Be aware fellows Nakamaniacs !
> >
> > Before you go to E. Bay and pay up to $150.00 for a Service Mannual , go
>to
> > parts at nakamichi.com and ask Patty Berretta about it ! I just bought a
> > service manual for my Dragon for $20.00 !! Original ! And I have seen
>people
> > paying $100.00 for it at E. Bay !!!!! Jesus Christ !
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > The Tape Man
> >
> >
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From lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu  Thu Feb 10 15:45:13 2000
From: lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu (Lee Hasiuk)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:45:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
In-Reply-To: <003301bf73c9$43cea4a0$a82f2ac4@coqui.net>
References: <003601bf7181$771ef2a0$4b691bd1@netlincpractice.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000210094513.017688d0@pop-server>

How about $676.66 and still going for a 1000ZXL manual!  Check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=254687720

Lee

At 08:18 AM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Be aware fellows Nakamaniacs !
>
>Before you go to E. Bay and pay up to $150.00 for a Service Mannual , go to
>parts at nakamichi.com and ask Patty Berretta about it ! I just bought a
>service manual for my Dragon for $20.00 !! Original ! And I have seen people
>paying $100.00 for it at E. Bay !!!!! Jesus Christ !
>
>Cheers,
>
>The Tape Man
>


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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Thu Feb 10 16:19:34 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:19:34 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DEDA@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

I have one of those service manuals....I guess I can send my
kids to college after all.
 
Hey Wouter, you were opening bid on that manual....aren't you
going to show him that nobody outbids you and gets away with it!

Raul 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Hasiuk [mailto:lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:45 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !


How about $676.66 and still going for a 1000ZXL manual!  Check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=254687720

Lee

At 08:18 AM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Be aware fellows Nakamaniacs !
>
>Before you go to E. Bay and pay up to $150.00 for a Service Mannual , go to
>parts at nakamichi.com and ask Patty Berretta about it ! I just bought a
>service manual for my Dragon for $20.00 !! Original ! And I have seen
people
>paying $100.00 for it at E. Bay !!!!! Jesus Christ !
>
>Cheers,
>
>The Tape Man
>


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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Feb 10 16:38:06 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:38:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
References: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DEDA@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <38A2DB5E.507463BD@xs4all.nl>

WHOW!

This guy must have too much money....
I don't so wanted to spend $30 (if I remember right) on it....
Yesterday I was surprised to get a really cheap original 680ZX owners manual for $20 on
ebay!!
I guess some sharks were sleeping...

Wouter

"Tellez, Raul" wrote:

> I have one of those service manuals....I guess I can send my
> kids to college after all.
>
> Hey Wouter, you were opening bid on that manual....aren't you
> going to show him that nobody outbids you and gets away with it!
>
> Raul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Hasiuk [mailto:lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:45 PM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !
>
> How about $676.66 and still going for a 1000ZXL manual!  Check this out:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=254687720
>
> Lee
>
> At 08:18 AM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >Be aware fellows Nakamaniacs !
> >
> >Before you go to E. Bay and pay up to $150.00 for a Service Mannual , go to
> >parts at nakamichi.com and ask Patty Berretta about it ! I just bought a
> >service manual for my Dragon for $20.00 !! Original ! And I have seen
> people
> >paying $100.00 for it at E. Bay !!!!! Jesus Christ !
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >The Tape Man
> >
>
>

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From pjaizz at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 10 18:31:57 2000
From: pjaizz at earthlink.net (James Pritchett)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:31:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] model 480 transport problems
Message-ID: <38A2F60D.4978E6B5@earthlink.net>

Hey All:

I know about the transport problems with the Nak BX series, but can
someone tell
me of any problems with the 480's in terms of transport?  Just bought
one for my girlfriend
that arrived with the transport not working.  Roughly how much to
repair?  Only the FF
works.

Thanks in advance!
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Thu Feb 10 21:39:00 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:39:00 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
Message-ID: <86256881.0070C3BC.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

Dear Nakmeisters:  Have you seen the review in the February 2000 Gramophone of
Nakamachi's new DR-9s and DR-10s?  The magazine raves about them, saying that
they are of the quality of classic Nakamachis.  It's a good review, with some
tips on recording cassettes with the Naks (as well as some observations on the
continuing popularity of the cassette medium for basic Walkmans and automobile
systems).  Keep up the great threads.  George



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Feb 10 22:56:38 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:56:38 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] model 480 transport problems
In-Reply-To: <38A2F60D.4978E6B5@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000e01bf7411$b4fe6460$c556883e@a4s1s2>

James

Well, I hope she appreciates the gesture even if the deck isn't working!

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> James Pritchett
> Sent: 10 February 2000 17:32
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] model 480 transport problems
> 
> 
> Hey All:
> 
> I know about the transport problems with the Nak BX series, but can
> someone tell
> me of any problems with the 480's in terms of transport?  Just bought
> one for my girlfriend
> that arrived with the transport not working.  Roughly how much to
> repair?  Only the FF
> works.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 22:56:16 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:56:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] model 480 transport problems
Message-ID: <20000210215616.10403.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com>


I used to own a 582, that has a very similar
transport to the 480. In over 18 years of
use, it required a new capstan mortor and
replacement of the belts. Everything considered,
I'd say it's a fairly reliable transport.

-- Ron


--- James Pritchett <pjaizz at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hey All:
> 
> I know about the transport problems with the Nak
> BX series, but can someone tell me of any
> problems with the 480's in terms of transport? 
> Just bought one for my girlfriend that arrived
> with the transport not working.  Roughly how
> much to repair?  Only the FF works.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
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From francisj at mediaone.net  Thu Feb 10 18:48:13 2000
From: francisj at mediaone.net (John Francis)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:48:13 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Blues & 78's
References: <000e01bf6dc0$6db39fa0$f81a883e@a4s1s2> <007701bf6e10$833cdf80$34de103f@pavilion>
Message-ID: <38A2F9DD.EE2FCA90@mediaone.net>

If anyone is interested in a 3DBX expander in mint condition please contact me
privately.

Jon Spencer wrote:

>     I own a massive Benny Goodman 78 collection and I have played around
> with recording them and found a few analog things that work.  I own a click
> and pop remover, the SEA and the 7000 are products I haven't use, but I can
> look up the make of mine and email it to you if you're interested.  A couple
> other products I have had luck with is a Phase liner 1000 noise reduction.
> This works on groove noise ( rumble and hiss) and a 3DBX expander.  78's are
> very compress and any thing that adds dynamic range is helpful, also the
> 3DBX will end up cutting out the higher frequencies  ( thus some noise )
> because most 78's do not get over 10k HZ at best.  Another big thing that
> works is washing the records.  Pick up a semi stiff soft bristle brush,
> check out a kitchen store, and use ivory liquid in warm water.  You will be
> surprised at the color of the water after three or four records and you can
> wash them with out hitting the label.  I use a Sure V-15 with a 78 needle
> attachment.  Don't even think about a 33 needle.  If you get really nuts
> invest in a cheap stereo microscope and some dental tools to dig out any
> rocks ( not really but that's what they look like under the scope) holes
> tend not to cause the big pops.  If  you any other questions just email me.
>
> Jonspencer at msn.com
>

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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 11 03:05:52 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:05:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
References: <003601bf7181$771ef2a0$4b691bd1@netlincpractice.com> <3.0.1.32.20000210094513.017688d0@pop-server>
Message-ID: <003501bf7434$897179e0$eb302ac4@coqui.net>

Holy shit , Lee ! I knew I was a little crazy about collectibles but that
kind of money for a manual is simply nuts and bull shit !!!!

The Tape Man

----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Hasiuk <lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !


> How about $676.66 and still going for a 1000ZXL manual!  Check this out:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=254687720
>
> Lee
>
> At 08:18 AM 2/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >Be aware fellows Nakamaniacs !
> >
> >Before you go to E. Bay and pay up to $150.00 for a Service Mannual , go
to
> >parts at nakamichi.com and ask Patty Berretta about it ! I just bought a
> >service manual for my Dragon for $20.00 !! Original ! And I have seen
people
> >paying $100.00 for it at E. Bay !!!!! Jesus Christ !
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >The Tape Man
> >
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 11 03:08:34 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:08:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
References: <86256881.0070C3BC.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
Message-ID: <004d01bf7434$e87b9d80$eb302ac4@coqui.net>

Wow ! I'll love to see that. A magazine in the 21st. century still giving
hope to the cassette media. I really love those guys !!!!

The Tape Man

----- Original Message -----
From: <george.m.hook at ac.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !


> Dear Nakmeisters:  Have you seen the review in the February 2000
Gramophone of
> Nakamachi's new DR-9s and DR-10s?  The magazine raves about them, saying
that
> they are of the quality of classic Nakamachis.  It's a good review, with
some
> tips on recording cassettes with the Naks (as well as some observations on
the
> continuing popularity of the cassette medium for basic Walkmans and
automobile
> systems).  Keep up the great threads.  George
>
>
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 11 03:11:23 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:11:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
References: <20000210135635.35522.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <005701bf7435$4be8cd20$eb302ac4@coqui.net>

Ha, ha ! You know Brian, if the things and crazy prices are going to
continue like it has been, then, we better ask him to
impose his merciful hands over those crazy fellows !

The Tape Man

----- Original Message -----
From: brian winans <brianwinans at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !


> Hey Carlos,
> I really don't think Jesus had anything to do with this, but thanks for
> letting us know. :P
> Brian
> The Grateful Dead tape man
>
>


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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Fri Feb 11 02:38:35 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:38:35 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
Message-ID: <86256882.00085ABE.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised to read the review.  I would buy the new Nak, if
I didn't already have a pretty good Cassette Deck Two at the moment.  People
tend to forget that the cassette medium is still strong (and cheap) out there.



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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Fri Feb 11 03:09:23 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:09:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
In-Reply-To: <86256881.0070C3BC.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJKEACCCAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>


Anybody out there got a scanner and the article on the DR-9 & 10?  I'd love
to see it!

Roland Alford

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Feb 11 03:11:24 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:11:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Revox B215 series and serviceability
Message-ID: <000c01bf7435$4de4eb40$080b86cc@sank1>

I have not yet worked on any of Carlos' 215's, but I have ample experience
with them.  I must say that there is much to be concerned about when buying
one, even an unused one.  1)The heads are not quite on a par with those of
three head Nak's.  2)They are built like tanks, which is actually their
downfall.  Unlike their open reel units, which have very balanced mass
loading in their motors, the cassette units have the large flywheel masses
at the very back end of the shaft, putting greater stress on the bearings.
Likewise, the reel motors are quite long & have heavy rotors, causing the
bearing to wear prematurely into an oval shape.  These decks are literally a
victim of their own mass.  I think Carlos will tell you that the 215 has a
life expectancy of about 12 years, whereas I routinely work on 20 year old
Naks that end up barely distinguishable from brand new.  3)Parts are
outrageously expensive.
If you do buy one, I certainly would have no problem servicing it.  My rate
would be $90 for routine maintenance/calibration/cleaning, barring any
significant actual problems.

Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://emall-online.com/cvspeakercp/default.htm
7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
505-296-8795 phone/fax
mc/visa/disc/amex
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: stephen_sank at rjknet.net <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: Revox B215 series and serviceability


Hello,

I listen in on naktalk.  It seems Carlos mentioned you have worked on his
Revox B215(s) sometime in the past.  If so, could you tell me something
about the serviceability (both use and maintenance/repair) of the different
iterations (Mk I, Mk II, etc.).  I am looking for one of these, but don't
have much idea of what to be aware of what to look for or what to avoid.
Would there be a problem in purchasing one from Canada?

If you do not have any exposure to these units, sorry to have bothered you.

It is a treat to have someone of your knowledge and experience help us out
with our problems.  Especially, when you could say, just send the unit to
me.  From what I gather, your rates are relatively reasonable.

Also, if you do work on Revox units, what would the tuneup charge be for a
B215?

Thank you for giving this inquiry your attention.

Best regards,

Kent Merideth


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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Fri Feb 11 03:40:47 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:40:47 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
Message-ID: <86256882.000E0CF1.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

I wish I had a scanner, folks, but, sorry, I can't help you.  I will try to send
out some quotes on Monday or Tuesday, next week.



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From gibby at bee.net  Fri Feb 11 03:46:45 2000
From: gibby at bee.net (Gib Lappano)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:46:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
References: <86256882.000E0CF1.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
Message-ID: <00a701bf743a$3c62db20$4f5a4a3f@gibby>

Which magazine did this come from? Perhaps they have a webpage and we can
view the article online. I am interested in hearing more about these decks.
Thanks for the heads up =)

Gib

----- Original Message -----
From: <george.m.hook at ac.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Be aware !


> I wish I had a scanner, folks, but, sorry, I can't help you.  I will try
to send
> out some quotes on Monday or Tuesday, next week.
>
>
>
>
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From gibby at bee.net  Fri Feb 11 04:01:51 2000
From: gibby at bee.net (Gib Lappano)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:01:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
References: <86256881.0070C3BC.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
Message-ID: <00b201bf743c$5941af80$4f5a4a3f@gibby>

Well is the same magazine you are referring to?
http://www.gramophone.co.uk/ntm.html They have a nice site. But they are a
few months back in their online issues. If this is the right magazine, we
will have to wait until July to read the issue with the Nak. Then again, a
subscription doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Gib

----- Original Message -----
From: <george.m.hook at ac.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !


> Dear Nakmeisters:  Have you seen the review in the February 2000
Gramophone of
> Nakamachi's new DR-9s and DR-10s?  The magazine raves about them, saying
that
> they are of the quality of classic Nakamachis.  It's a good review, with
some
> tips on recording cassettes with the Naks (as well as some observations on
the
> continuing popularity of the cassette medium for basic Walkmans and
automobile
> systems).  Keep up the great threads.  George
>
>
>
>
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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Fri Feb 11 04:27:31 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:57:31 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] model 480 transport problems
Message-ID: <002c01bf743f$f22d9b20$42d60192@vsnl>

If the transport is same as 582, some of the problems I faced with 582
The idler drive gives problem more than the motor. Pinch rollars may need
change if it is in dry climate for long. But the transport as a whole is
quite rugged compared to BX/CR and later -( Sanyo / sanken made?) series.
Switches on mother board goes bad - so I do not use most of them. However I
felt the sound is definitely better than later ones probably due to both
elaborate discrete circuitry and solid mechanism. I also noticed ZX series
also use the same mechanism.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] model 480 transport problems


>
>I used to own a 582, that has a very similar
>transport to the 480. In over 18 years of
>use, it required a new capstan mortor and
>replacement of the belts. Everything considered,
>I'd say it's a fairly reliable transport.
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>--- James Pritchett <pjaizz at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hey All:
>>
>> I know about the transport problems with the Nak
>> BX series, but can someone tell me of any
>> problems with the 480's in terms of transport?
>> Just bought one for my girlfriend that arrived
>> with the transport not working.  Roughly how
>> much to repair?  Only the FF works.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Fri Feb 11 04:46:29 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:46:29 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakaholism........
Message-ID: <EFPKPBONNCKEDAAA@angelfire.com>

What is affecting these ultra Nakaholics? This is utterly crazy, how can a dozen pieces of paper & ink cost hundreds of dollars?!?  And what will Patty B at Nakamichi say when she learns of this outrageous bidding on a used Nak service manual???

I sincerely hope this is not a sign of future gluttony collecting Nakamichi products.

Peace, my brothers........

---
Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:45:13 -0500
From: Lee Hasiuk <lhasiuk at alumni.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !

How about $676.66 and still going for a 1000ZXL manual!  Check this out:
                   http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=254687720




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From stemcor at techno-link.com  Fri Feb 11 07:57:37 2000
From: stemcor at techno-link.com (stemcor)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:57:37 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts in Europe
References: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE779EBEC@mchh214e.demchh201e.oen.siemens.de>
Message-ID: <000a01bf745d$48662ee0$230024d4@infosysbank.com>

I have placed an enquiry with them. Will keep the list posted on their
performance.

George
----- Original Message -----
From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: 10 Ôåâðóàðè 2000 ã. 10:49
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Nak parts in Europe


> Daniel,
>
> following your information I found out the following link
> http://www.gehado.de where additional information can be found.
>
> What's interessting to us:
> They say that they really can deliver Nakamichi parts, so: Who wants to
try
> their service or has already done so? Let us know whether they can compete
> with our special friend Steven Sank (Steven: Regards from Germany).
>
> Klaus
>
>
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Daniel Poeana [SMTP:danielpoeana at worldnet.att.net]
> > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2000 09:28
> > An: naktalk at naks.com
> > Betreff: [naktalk] Nak parts in Europe
> >
> > I just got the response from them.
> > Here it is:
> >
> >
> > ******************************
> > Company name is Gehado,
> > ph# is 0231-937000-36
> > person's name is Gert Haarmann
> > Sincerely
> > Parts Department (USA)
> > *****************************
> >
> >
> > DanielP
> > Beaverton OR USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Fendt Klaus wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Daniel
> > >
> > > please let us German Nak owners know when you receive this information
> > > because it is very difficult to get parts or even information here.
> > > Everything from mail addresses to postal addresses are welcome
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >         Klaus
> > >
> > > > I just purchased a set of pressure rollers for my CR7 from Nakamichi
> > > > California and a Service Manual.
> > > > In the process of placing the order I mentioned to Patty (their
Parts
> > > > key person) I was in process of temporary relocating to Switzerland
> > for
> > > > my job and I was concerned of parts should I need any.
> > > > She said that if I Email her at <parts at nakamichi.com> she will give
me
> > > > the info for their European counterpart (I believe in Germany) that
> > > > should have (same?) parts available...
> > > >
> > > > As for their FAX in CA, I just checked their Packing List form: no
FAX
> > > > number...  just Phone and Address.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Daniel Poeana,
> > > > Beaverton OR USA
> > > >
> > > > "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Ron!
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a
> > Nakamichi
> > > > > repair center in Europe?
> > > > >
> > > > > Wolfgang
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Nakamichi America Corp.
> > > > > >955 Francisco St.
> > > > > >Torrance, CA 90502
> > > > > >
> > > > > >(310) 538-8150
> >
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From mature at owh.moldnet.md  Fri Feb  4 08:31:51 2000
From: mature at owh.moldnet.md (marin)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:31:51 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] re:(naktalk)Nak parts in Europe
Message-ID: <389A8066.8BB9135A@owh.moldnet.md>

 In an owner's manual for DR series Nakamichi i found the following
information:

---------------------------------
Nakamichi GmbH
Praunheimer Landstrasse 32
6000 Frankfurt Main 90
Phone: (069) 7682021 (office)
                     7682025 (service)
---------------------------------
Also, on the same page addresses for Japan, Canada, USA and Australia.
The warranty card shows the same address in Frankfurt.

I hope this is not some "out of date" reality, but, you guys who are
living in Germany can easily find it out
and tell to the rest (please).
Marin

>
"Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
 Hi Ron!

 Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a
 Nakamichi
 repair center in Europe?

 Wolfgang
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Fri Feb 11 12:36:50 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:36:50 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak parts in Europe
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE779EBFB@mchh214e.demchh201e.oen.siemens.de>

Hi Marin,

I checked the telephone number you submitted, but the number in Frankfurt is
not availbale.
And please note the following: All german zip code areas were changed to
five digits many years ago, so unfortunately the address is really
outdated...

Before the LX series was produced all Naks sold in Germany came by Harman
Kardon and I think about 1980 Nakamichi Germany in Duesseldorf,
Stephanienstrasse started to provide us with their products. But this period
didn't last a very long time and now Naks are nearly unavailbale here in
Germany and of course there's no german Nakamichi agency - what a pity

	Klaus

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	marin [SMTP:mature at owh.moldnet.md]
> Gesendet am:	Freitag, 4. Februar 2000 08:32
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	[naktalk] re:(naktalk)Nak parts in Europe
> 
>  In an owner's manual for DR series Nakamichi i found the following
> information:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Nakamichi GmbH
> Praunheimer Landstrasse 32
> 6000 Frankfurt Main 90
> Phone: (069) 7682021 (office)
>                      7682025 (service)
> ---------------------------------
> Also, on the same page addresses for Japan, Canada, USA and Australia.
> The warranty card shows the same address in Frankfurt.
> 
> I hope this is not some "out of date" reality, but, you guys who are
> living in Germany can easily find it out
> and tell to the rest (please).
> Marin
> 
> >
> "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
>  Hi Ron!
> 
>  Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a
>  Nakamichi
>  repair center in Europe?
> 
>  Wolfgang
> >
> 
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From stemcor at techno-link.com  Fri Feb 11 12:39:47 2000
From: stemcor at techno-link.com (stemcor)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:39:47 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] re:(naktalk)Nak parts in Europe
References: <389A8066.8BB9135A@owh.moldnet.md>
Message-ID: <006d01bf7484$b392a320$230024d4@infosysbank.com>

This address has not been valid for over 5 years.

George
----- Original Message -----
From: marin <mature at owh.moldnet.md>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: 04 Февруари 2000 г. 09:31
Subject: [naktalk] re:(naktalk)Nak parts in Europe


> In an owner's manual for DR series Nakamichi i found the following
> information:
>
> ---------------------------------
> Nakamichi GmbH
> Praunheimer Landstrasse 32
> 6000 Frankfurt Main 90
> Phone: (069) 7682021 (office)
>                      7682025 (service)
> ---------------------------------
> Also, on the same page addresses for Japan, Canada, USA and Australia.
> The warranty card shows the same address in Frankfurt.
>
> I hope this is not some "out of date" reality, but, you guys who are
> living in Germany can easily find it out
> and tell to the rest (please).
> Marin
>
> >
> "Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
>  Hi Ron!
>
>  Is there an email or fax-number available - or much better - a
>  Nakamichi
>  repair center in Europe?
>
>  Wolfgang
> >
>
>
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From kmeridet at anderson.edu  Fri Feb 11 14:14:49 2000
From: kmeridet at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:14:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Revox B215 series and serviceability
Message-ID: <s8a3c5ab.094@WORF.anderson.edu>

Stephen,

Thank you very much for your response to my inquiry concerning the Revox B215!  Looks like I should stick with my CR-7A, MR-1 and 550.  For best playback I still need to get a Dragon, but the market seems to have gone crazy.  Over a thousand dollars is too rich for my blood.  Even eight hundred dollars would be a stretch.  My 550 is still at the shop in Indianapolis.  It has been almost a year.  Plus the fact that the tuneup on the MR-1 and CR-7A have resulted in slightly fast speed.  I don't have a "standard" test tape.  Are there any alternatives to the DA09006A 3kHz Speed Wow/Flutter Tape, DA09007A 1kHz Track Alignment Tape, and DA09004A 15kHz Azimuth Tape?  

Again, thank you for giving of your VALUABLE time.  If I ever get my 550 back, it may have to make a trip to you.

Best regards,

Kent Merideth

>>> stephen_sank at rjknet.net 02/10/00 09:11PM >>>
I have not yet worked on any of Carlos' 215's, but I have ample experience
with them.  I must say that there is much to be concerned about when buying
one, even an unused one.  1)The heads are not quite on a par with those of
three head Nak's.  2)They are built like tanks, which is actually their
downfall.  Unlike their open reel units, which have very balanced mass
loading in their motors, the cassette units have the large flywheel masses
at the very back end of the shaft, putting greater stress on the bearings.
Likewise, the reel motors are quite long & have heavy rotors, causing the
bearing to wear prematurely into an oval shape.  These decks are literally a
victim of their own mass.  I think Carlos will tell you that the 215 has a
life expectancy of about 12 years, whereas I routinely work on 20 year old
Naks that end up barely distinguishable from brand new.  3)Parts are
outrageously expensive.
If you do buy one, I certainly would have no problem servicing it.  My rate
would be $90 for routine maintenance/calibration/cleaning, barring any
significant actual problems.

Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://emall-online.com/cvspeakercp/default.htm 
7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
505-296-8795 phone/fax
mc/visa/disc/amex
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: stephen_sank at rjknet.net <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: Revox B215 series and serviceability


Hello,

I listen in on naktalk.  It seems Carlos mentioned you have worked on his
Revox B215(s) sometime in the past.  If so, could you tell me something
about the serviceability (both use and maintenance/repair) of the different
iterations (Mk I, Mk II, etc.).  I am looking for one of these, but don't
have much idea of what to be aware of what to look for or what to avoid.
Would there be a problem in purchasing one from Canada?

If you do not have any exposure to these units, sorry to have bothered you.

It is a treat to have someone of your knowledge and experience help us out
with our problems.  Especially, when you could say, just send the unit to
me.  From what I gather, your rates are relatively reasonable.

Also, if you do work on Revox units, what would the tuneup charge be for a
B215?

Thank you for giving this inquiry your attention.

Best regards,

Kent Merideth


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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Fri Feb 11 14:54:38 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:54:38 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-10 info....
Message-ID: <GAAIIPANNFLGDAAA@angelfire.com>

Have a peek at my Nak CyberSpot for a recent article on the DR-10.  That came from WHAT HI-FI magazine (UK) a few months ago.

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakdr10review.html

I'll scout around for the Feb issue of GRAMMAPHONE magazine, and if I find that here in Madison, WI USA, I could forward a copy of that review to Wouter's Nak FTP site for info sharing. Wouter, is that a feasible idea???

Mr Blues

---
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http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper


~~~Forwarded Messages~~~~~~~

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:38:35 -0600
From: george.m.hook at ac.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised to read the review.  I would buy the new Nak, if
I didn't already have a pretty good Cassette Deck Two at the moment.  People
tend to forget that the cassette medium is still strong (and cheap) out there.


Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:09:23 -0500
From: "Roland Alford" <ruajw2 at idirect.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Be aware !

Anybody out there got a scanner and the article on the DR-9 & 10?  I'd love to see it!

Roland Alford


Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:40:47 -0600
From: george.m.hook at ac.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Be aware !

I wish I had a scanner, folks, but, sorry, I can't help you.  I will try to send
out some quotes on Monday or Tuesday, next week.


Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:46:45 -0500
From: "Gib Lappano" <gibby at bee.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be aware !

Which magazine did this come from? Perhaps they have a webpage and we can
view the article online. I am interested in hearing more about these decks.
Thanks for the heads up =)

Gib




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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Feb 11 20:39:23 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:39:23 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Revox B215 series and serviceability
Message-ID: <001a01bf74c7$b61979a0$080b86cc@sank1>

There are no other test tape sources I would trust, especially on the track
alignment tape.

Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://emall-online.com/cvspeakercp/default.htm
7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
505-296-8795 phone/fax
mc/visa/disc/amex
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 6:22 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Revox B215 series and serviceability


>Stephen,
>
>Thank you very much for your response to my inquiry concerning the Revox
B215!  Looks like I should stick with my CR-7A, MR-1 and 550.  For best
playback I still need to get a Dragon, but the market seems to have gone
crazy.  Over a thousand dollars is too rich for my blood.  Even eight
hundred dollars would be a stretch.  My 550 is still at the shop in
Indianapolis.  It has been almost a year.  Plus the fact that the tuneup on
the MR-1 and CR-7A have resulted in slightly fast speed.  I don't have a
"standard" test tape.  Are there any alternatives to the DA09006A 3kHz Speed
Wow/Flutter Tape, DA09007A 1kHz Track Alignment Tape, and DA09004A 15kHz
Azimuth Tape?
>
>Again, thank you for giving of your VALUABLE time.  If I ever get my 550
back, it may have to make a trip to you.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Kent Merideth
>
>>>> stephen_sank at rjknet.net 02/10/00 09:11PM >>>
>I have not yet worked on any of Carlos' 215's, but I have ample experience
>with them.  I must say that there is much to be concerned about when buying
>one, even an unused one.  1)The heads are not quite on a par with those of
>three head Nak's.  2)They are built like tanks, which is actually their
>downfall.  Unlike their open reel units, which have very balanced mass
>loading in their motors, the cassette units have the large flywheel masses
>at the very back end of the shaft, putting greater stress on the bearings.
>Likewise, the reel motors are quite long & have heavy rotors, causing the
>bearing to wear prematurely into an oval shape.  These decks are literally
a
>victim of their own mass.  I think Carlos will tell you that the 215 has a
>life expectancy of about 12 years, whereas I routinely work on 20 year old
>Naks that end up barely distinguishable from brand new.  3)Parts are
>outrageously expensive.
>If you do buy one, I certainly would have no problem servicing it.  My rate
>would be $90 for routine maintenance/calibration/cleaning, barring any
>significant actual problems.
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://emall-online.com/cvspeakercp/default.htm
>7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>505-296-8795 phone/fax
>mc/visa/disc/amex
>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
>To: stephen_sank at rjknet.net <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:35 PM
>Subject: Revox B215 series and serviceability
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I listen in on naktalk.  It seems Carlos mentioned you have worked on his
>Revox B215(s) sometime in the past.  If so, could you tell me something
>about the serviceability (both use and maintenance/repair) of the different
>iterations (Mk I, Mk II, etc.).  I am looking for one of these, but don't
>have much idea of what to be aware of what to look for or what to avoid.
>Would there be a problem in purchasing one from Canada?
>
>If you do not have any exposure to these units, sorry to have bothered you.
>
>It is a treat to have someone of your knowledge and experience help us out
>with our problems.  Especially, when you could say, just send the unit to
>me.  From what I gather, your rates are relatively reasonable.
>
>Also, if you do work on Revox units, what would the tuneup charge be for a
>B215?
>
>Thank you for giving this inquiry your attention.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Kent Merideth
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Feb 11 21:25:09 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:25:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Geocities site is dead
Message-ID: <38A47025.1219657E@xs4all.nl>

Hi everyone,

For those of you who still use the Geocities Nak site, it is now
officially DEAD!

The only one is:

    http://www.naks.com

or
    http://naks.com if you like...

Wouter

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Sat Feb 12 01:05:00 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 01:05:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] model 480 transport problems
References: <20000210215616.10403.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <002301bf74ec$ce21f8e0$00ecfea9@asus>

Hello Ron,

I think you must look inside your Nak for further information.. Look for the
capstan motor if it still turns when you push the play button. Messure the
voltage on the motor (12 Volt) with play button in. Works the control motor?
Does the Head block go up and down?

greetings

Norman van Wijnen

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] model 480 transport problems


>
> I used to own a 582, that has a very similar
> transport to the 480. In over 18 years of
> use, it required a new capstan mortor and
> replacement of the belts. Everything considered,
> I'd say it's a fairly reliable transport.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
> --- James Pritchett <pjaizz at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Hey All:
> >
> > I know about the transport problems with the Nak
> > BX series, but can someone tell me of any
> > problems with the 480's in terms of transport?
> > Just bought one for my girlfriend that arrived
> > with the transport not working.  Roughly how
> > much to repair?  Only the FF works.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
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From captain at bestweb.net  Fri Feb 11 20:19:15 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:19:15 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] model 480 transport problems
References: <20000210215616.10403.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> <002301bf74ec$ce21f8e0$00ecfea9@asus>
Message-ID: <38A460B3.4562@bestweb.net>

James,
     Your 480 transport problem may be as simple as worn out belts.  I
have bought a few older Naks that were not functioning at all, and after
replacing all of their belts, they worked perfectly again.  The fact
that you still have FF leads me to believe that the idler might still be
OK.

                                  Tom
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From hifisapi at gate.net  Fri Feb 11 20:56:04 2000
From: hifisapi at gate.net (J.C. O'Connell)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:56:04 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 transport problem
In-Reply-To: <38A460B3.4562@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <200002120056.TAA44340@flathead.gate.net>

Anyone know what might cause a LX-3 to make
a mechanical ticking sound only in play/record modes
and what it might take/cost to fix it?........JCO
 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb 12 03:55:03 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:55:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakaholism........
References: <EFPKPBONNCKEDAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <001901bf7504$926254e0$d22f2ac4@coqui.net>



> What is affecting these ultra Nakaholics? This is utterly crazy, how can a
dozen pieces of paper & ink cost hundreds of dollars?!?  And what will Patty
B at Nakamichi say when she learns of this outrageous bidding on a used Nak
service manual???
>
> I sincerely hope this is not a sign of future gluttony collecting
Nakamichi products.
>
> Peace, my brothers........
>
Amen ! Mr. Blues. I believe that we are beginning to see a late result of
the Y2K crazyness !

Carlos

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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb 12 04:11:28 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:11:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Revox B215 series and serviceability
References: <000c01bf7435$4de4eb40$080b86cc@sank1>
Message-ID: <001f01bf7506$dbe90bc0$d22f2ac4@coqui.net>

Stephen is correct in his facts. As all decks around, Revox are not
flawless. Revox B-215's are not 20 years old yet but my first one is 16
years old already and still singing. Parts are expensive but always
available to anyone, no matter if it is a 30 years old A-77 reel to reel.,
plus, a very well maintained unit like this is really a fantastic sounding
gear. Nothing to be ashame of any other deck in the market. As I have told
before in this list: for playback nothing beats a Dragon, but for recording
there're a lot of excellent contenders out there including the amazing
Tandberg 3014-A. Have anyone here has experienced recording in one of these
Norwegian units ? I can guarantee one of the best and most neutral
recordings you'll ever made in a cassette.

Due to the facts our dear Stephen has explained below, Revoxes tends not to
aged properly, but think for a while and try to mention one single deck that
hasn't go to the shop after 10 years of continuous use. Well, at least
there're no belts to worry about in a B 215. As Stephen mentioned : built
like tank brings some consequences, anyway, I can't finish this essay
without mention that good or bad a Revox B-215 tape transport is the most
amazing thing ever built in a cassette deck.

SO, if you find a very good one for $500-600 go and steal it. After all,
Revoxes are not suffering from the Nakaholic overpriced tendency where a
single manual cost you $600+ !!!. Well, not yet, at least ...

The Tape Man



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From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
Cc: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:11 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Revox B215 series and serviceability


> I have not yet worked on any of Carlos' 215's, but I have ample experience
> with them.  I must say that there is much to be concerned about when
buying
> one, even an unused one.  1)The heads are not quite on a par with those of
> three head Nak's.  2)They are built like tanks, which is actually their
> downfall.  Unlike their open reel units, which have very balanced mass
> loading in their motors, the cassette units have the large flywheel masses
> at the very back end of the shaft, putting greater stress on the bearings.
> Likewise, the reel motors are quite long & have heavy rotors, causing the
> bearing to wear prematurely into an oval shape.  These decks are literally
a
> victim of their own mass.  I think Carlos will tell you that the 215 has a
> life expectancy of about 12 years, whereas I routinely work on 20 year old
> Naks that end up barely distinguishable from brand new.  3)Parts are
> outrageously expensive.
> If you do buy one, I certainly would have no problem servicing it.  My
rate
> would be $90 for routine maintenance/calibration/cleaning, barring any
> significant actual problems.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://emall-online.com/cvspeakercp/default.htm
> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> mc/visa/disc/amex
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Merideth <kmeridet at anderson.edu>
> To: stephen_sank at rjknet.net <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:35 PM
> Subject: Revox B215 series and serviceability
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I listen in on naktalk.  It seems Carlos mentioned you have worked on his
> Revox B215(s) sometime in the past.  If so, could you tell me something
> about the serviceability (both use and maintenance/repair) of the
different
> iterations (Mk I, Mk II, etc.).  I am looking for one of these, but don't
> have much idea of what to be aware of what to look for or what to avoid.
> Would there be a problem in purchasing one from Canada?
>
> If you do not have any exposure to these units, sorry to have bothered
you.
>
> It is a treat to have someone of your knowledge and experience help us out
> with our problems.  Especially, when you could say, just send the unit to
> me.  From what I gather, your rates are relatively reasonable.
>
> Also, if you do work on Revox units, what would the tuneup charge be for a
> B215?
>
> Thank you for giving this inquiry your attention.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kent Merideth
>
>
>
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From bochar at epix.net  Sat Feb 12 06:47:43 2000
From: bochar at epix.net (bob)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 00:47:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk]Best rackmount NAK?
References: <200002120056.TAA44340@flathead.gate.net>
Message-ID: <38A4F3FF.F604BEDD@epix.net>


What is considered the "best" sounding
rack mount NAK deck?
I know there were some Dragons made to fit...but I was thinking
about the 660, 670, 680+ series?
 Very interested in responses to this query.
Thanks you very much.
bob
/;o)
PS:
 I have a mint PS-100 outboard DC converter for black box
series. OBM
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb 12 14:16:45 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:16:45 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
In-Reply-To: <38A2F9DD.EE2FCA90@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <003101bf755b$695dec60$2f19883e@a4s1s2>

It's my birthday - I'm 45, and I thought that you chaps and chapesses might
prefer to combine your buying power to get me a present ... any working Nak
deck would be nice but a CR7 would be luvverly!

Happy Birthday to me,

Want a tape deck you see,

Nakamichi, I entreat thee,

Will do nicely for me!

No?  I thought not!  Tight fisted b#####s!

Graham

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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Sat Feb 12 16:58:13 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:58:13 EST
Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
Message-ID: <79.1656de3.25d6dd15@aol.com>

Happy Birthday, Graham...I admire your brazen solicitation, the Chutzpah of 
advancing age, I guess! Sorry no gift but, taking your lead, a little 
Birthday doggerel for you. Don
   
For A NAK-Head, Turning 45

To ease the woe of passing time
You seek a NAK,
A toy sublime.
Your friends entreat to make it so
A gift to give, 
A seed to sow
Of fealty shown,
And love well known.
Need you this
to know our thoughts,
Our wishes well 
this way to tell?
Better yet
To pat your back
Than tribute with exalted NAK..
So this we say
In concert all,
No NAK to send,
We don't offend.
But better yet
To show our care 
Mere words we dare 
And simply say
On this your DAY
"Best wishes, friend."
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb 12 18:20:09 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:20:09 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
In-Reply-To: <79.1656de3.25d6dd15@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000701bf757d$6a3e68e0$f225883e@a4s1s2>

"sniff!  sniff!"   Thanks, guys!

>
>    
> For A NAK-Head, Turning 45
> 
> To ease the woe of passing time
> You seek a NAK,
> A toy sublime.
> Your friends entreat to make it so
> A gift to give, 
> A seed to sow
> Of fealty shown,
> And love well known.
> Need you this
> to know our thoughts,
> Our wishes well 
> this way to tell?
> Better yet
> To pat your back
> Than tribute with exalted NAK..
> So this we say
> In concert all,
> No NAK to send,
> We don't offend.
> But better yet
> To show our care 
> Mere words we dare 
> And simply say
> On this your DAY
> "Best wishes, friend."
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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sat Feb 12 18:29:59 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:29:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
In-Reply-To: <003101bf755b$695dec60$2f19883e@a4s1s2>
References: <38A2F9DD.EE2FCA90@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <l03130300b4cb48d93cb9@[142.58.121.30]>

All the best dude. Should I win a lottery I may comply.


>
>It's my birthday - I'm 45, and I thought that you chaps and  chapesses
>might prefer to combine your buying power to get  me a present ... any
>working Nak deck would be nice but a CR7 would be  luvverly!
>
>
>
>Happy Birthday to me, 
>
>
>
>Want a tape deck you see,
>
>
>
>Nakamichi, I entreat thee,
>
>
>
>Will do nicely for me!
>
>
>
>No?  I thought not!  Tight fisted  b#####s!
>
>
>
>Graham



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb 12 20:47:17 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:47:17 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
In-Reply-To: <l03130300b4cb48d93cb9@[142.58.121.30]>
Message-ID: <000f01bf7591$f7b97f20$f225883e@a4s1s2>

Desmond

You're a gent!  But .... Desmond ... before you can win the lottery you
gotta buy a ticket?  Okay?

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Desmond Hidson
> Sent: 12 February 2000 17:30
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
>
>
> All the best dude. Should I win a lottery I may comply.
>
>
> >
> >It's my birthday - I'm 45, and I thought that you chaps and  chapesses
> >might prefer to combine your buying power to get  me a present ... any
> >working Nak deck would be nice but a CR7 would be  luvverly!
> >
> >
> >
> >Happy Birthday to me,
> >
> >
> >
> >Want a tape deck you see,
> >
> >
> >
> >Nakamichi, I entreat thee,
> >
> >
> >
> >Will do nicely for me!
> >
> >
> >
> >No?  I thought not!  Tight fisted  b#####s!
> >
> >
> >
> >Graham
>
>
>
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From dmadden at ix.netcom.com  Sat Feb 12 13:02:56 2000
From: dmadden at ix.netcom.com (Dave)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:02:56 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi manuals
Message-ID: <002901bf7551$1c819b80$0200006f@dad>

Hello,

I am looking for owner and service manuals for the following Nakamichi products:

CA-7A preamplifier
PA-7 amplifier
ST-7 tuner
ZX-9 cassette

Photocopies would be sufficient and I would reimburse for your trouble.

Thanks.

Dave Madden
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From alex at vovan.com  Sun Feb 13 01:06:11 2000
From: alex at vovan.com (Alexandre Vovan)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:06:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Question about demagnetizing... again?!?
In-Reply-To: <002901bf7551$1c819b80$0200006f@dad>
Message-ID: <000b01bf75b6$237ee680$f96e7218@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>

  Hi everyone,

  I know, there's been some discussion about demagnetizers already on this
group, but what I need help on is:

  How often should I demagnetize my heads, should it be before I -play- a
tape or before I -record- one? Once every 5 tapes? I've got no clue, since
I'm essentially a Nak newbie. Or should I say a cassette newbie.

  I have an MR-1 and I'm using it to transfer my own recordings, and perhaps
to do some on-location recording. I have a better A/D converter than the
ones used on most DAT machines, so I thought I'd use this deck for that.

  Oh, and I saw that "cassette-style" demagnetizer at Radio Shack. Should I
buy it for my MR-1?

  Thanks a mil,

  Alexandre Vovan

  http://www.pianist.org
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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Sun Feb 13 05:16:40 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:46:40 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
Message-ID: <003101bf75d9$22b05e00$42d60192@vsnl>

Be aware! Soon CR7' may cost the entire lottory amount - the way printed nak
papers are selling at eBay!
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, February 13, 2000 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...


>Desmond
>
>You're a gent!  But .... Desmond ... before you can win the lottery you
>gotta buy a ticket?  Okay?
>
>Graham
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> Desmond Hidson
>> Sent: 12 February 2000 17:30
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
>>
>>
>> All the best dude. Should I win a lottery I may comply.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >It's my birthday - I'm 45, and I thought that you chaps and  chapesses
>> >might prefer to combine your buying power to get  me a present ... any
>> >working Nak deck would be nice but a CR7 would be  luvverly!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Happy Birthday to me,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Want a tape deck you see,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Nakamichi, I entreat thee,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Will do nicely for me!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >No?  I thought not!  Tight fisted  b#####s!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Graham
>>
>>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sun Feb 13 06:22:36 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:22:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
References: <003101bf755b$695dec60$2f19883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <002101bf75e2$5d1243c0$d72f2ac4@coqui.net>

Congratulations from Puerto Rico, Graham !

Carlos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Graham Nelson 
  To: naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:16 AM
  Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...


  It's my birthday - I'm 45, and I thought that you chaps and chapesses might prefer to combine your buying power to get me a present ... any working Nak deck would be nice but a CR7 would be luvverly!

  Happy Birthday to me,  

  Want a tape deck you see,

  Nakamichi, I entreat thee, 

  Will do nicely for me!

  No?  I thought not!  Tight fisted b#####s!

  Graham

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 13 16:15:48 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:15:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Question about demagnetizing... again?!?
Message-ID: <20000213151548.12354.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com>


--- Alexandre Vovan <alex at vovan.com> wrote:
>   Hi everyone,
> 
> I know, there's been some discussion about
> demagnetizers already on this group, but
> what I need help on is:
> 
> How often should I demagnetize my heads, should
> it be before I -play- a tape or before I
> -record- one? Once every 5 tapes? I've
> got no clue, since I'm essentially a Nak
> newbie. Or should I say a cassette newbie.

I seem to remember a recommendation to
demagnetize every 10 hours (on discrete 3 head
recorders. Less on 2 head machines, where
recording automatically demagnetizes the heads).
Personally, I do it every 20 - 50 hours and do
not recall any ill effect, on any tape, for over
25 years.

> [...]
> Oh, and I saw that "cassette-style" demagnetizer
> at Radio Shack. Should I buy it for my MR-1?

A wand will allow you to demagnetize both heads
and guides (as well as capstans and other metal
parts). I am not sure if the RS cassette will
demagnetize anything except the PB head.

-- Ron

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Feb 13 17:00:16 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 16:00:16 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
In-Reply-To: <003101bf75d9$22b05e00$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <000a01bf763b$6b98fe80$f41f883e@a4s1s2>

No, Kannan - it won't be the CR7 that costs the entire lottery amount -
it'll be the CR7's manual!

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Kannan. S
> Sent: 13 February 2000 04:17
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
>
>
> Be aware! Soon CR7' may cost the entire lottory amount - the way
> printed nak
> papers are selling at eBay!
> Kannan


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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Mon Feb 14 06:37:09 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:37:09 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] BIRTHDAY APPEAL ...
In-Reply-To: <000f01bf7591$f7b97f20$f225883e@a4s1s2>
References: <l03130300b4cb48d93cb9@[142.58.121.30]>
Message-ID: <l03130300b4cd43839926@[142.58.121.5]>

>Desmond
>
>You're a gent!

tanx

>But .... Desmond ... before you can win the lottery you
>gotta buy a ticket?

Fear not Graham for I do ... occasionally.

>Okay?

>Graham

Okee doe kee

Hope you had a great birthday.

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From khambawati at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 14 19:22:30 2000
From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:22:30 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded sound on recently serviced Nakamichi  LX-3 
Message-ID: <20000214182230.26833.qmail@hotmail.com>

The LX-3 has been in my possession since 1981. It was recently serviced in 
Ottawa; according to the work order the following parts changes were made i) 
Belt Drive (ii) Belt control (iii) belt counter (iv) PR STD Mechv) capacitor 
(vi) idler tire;

Other servicing done included: (i) dismantled complete (ii) general clean 
and lube (iii) complete set-up to specifications. (iv) tested functions and 
performance complete.

On using the deck I continue to find these phenomena: (i) Fast Forward mode 
is accompanied by a whining sound which increases in inensity till the end 
of the tape is reached; in contrast, the  Rewind mode is well regulated and 
quiet. (ii) Playback of tape recorded from CDs shows excessively bright and 
analytical sound that is brighter than that of the CD. The treble, in 
particular string instruments, was grainy. Tape used was Maxell XL-IIS C-90; 
playback of tapes recorded on the LX-3 in the past from open-reel master 
tapes appears clear and reasonably similar to the factory sound which I 
recall. The tape was TDK-SA C-90.

My main objection is to the recorded tape sounding brightere than the CD 
player(Rotel 965-BX; amp Rega Brio);

Should I call the shop which did the servicing and what should I ask them to 
look at?
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From ric_dunn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 20:15:07 2000
From: ric_dunn at yahoo.com (Rick Dunn)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:15:07 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded sound on recently serviced Nakamichi  LX-3 
In-Reply-To: <20000214182230.26833.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NCBBKHDGJJBIJGOBHPODGEALCCAA.ric_dunn@yahoo.com>

In my experience with my BX-125, Maxell XL-IIS does sound brighter than TDK
SA.  Nakamichi calibrated their decks at the factory for optimal performance
with "Nakamichi" cassettes, which were in reality TDK cassettes.  Try
recording CD's with TDK SA and see if they sound better.  Or you can
experiment with the bias adjustment on your deck (I think the LX-3 let's you
adjust bias).

The fast forward noise you describe definitely sounds like the idler wheel
is still giving you trouble.  My deck made the same noise until I fitted it
with the gear upgrade kit which dispenses with the idler wheel altogether.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Debashish Chakravarti
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 13:23
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded sound on recently serviced Nakamichi LX-3


The LX-3 has been in my possession since 1981. It was recently serviced in
Ottawa; according to the work order the following parts changes were made i)
Belt Drive (ii) Belt control (iii) belt counter (iv) PR STD Mechv) capacitor
(vi) idler tire;

Other servicing done included: (i) dismantled complete (ii) general clean
and lube (iii) complete set-up to specifications. (iv) tested functions and
performance complete.

On using the deck I continue to find these phenomena: (i) Fast Forward mode
is accompanied by a whining sound which increases in inensity till the end
of the tape is reached; in contrast, the  Rewind mode is well regulated and
quiet. (ii) Playback of tape recorded from CDs shows excessively bright and
analytical sound that is brighter than that of the CD. The treble, in
particular string instruments, was grainy. Tape used was Maxell XL-IIS C-90;
playback of tapes recorded on the LX-3 in the past from open-reel master
tapes appears clear and reasonably similar to the factory sound which I
recall. The tape was TDK-SA C-90.

My main objection is to the recorded tape sounding brightere than the CD
player(Rotel 965-BX; amp Rega Brio);

Should I call the shop which did the servicing and what should I ask them to
look at?
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From ddavid at ntplx.net  Mon Feb 14 20:47:03 2000
From: ddavid at ntplx.net (ddavid)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:47:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded sound on recently serviced Nakamichi  LX-3 
Message-ID: <00a901bf7724$48e728a0$4b691bd1@netlincpractice.com>

Debashish:

Was the sound of CD's, on the LX-3, ever good?  I mean, did you notice this
change gradually, over a period of time, or did CD's always sound harsh and
grainy?  In my experience, both my Nak 500 and CR-1A have reproduced CD's in
very bright, almost harsh tones.  CD's tend to have a very "driven" sound
and (to me, at least) sound far too harsh then, say, vinyl LP's.  Naks only
seem to accentuate this. I don't believe that part of your problem is an
issue, although I'm not so sure about the fast forward noise.

Dan David
dan_david at email.msn.com


----- Original Message -----
From: Debashish Chakravarti <khambawati at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded sound on recently serviced Nakamichi LX-3


> The LX-3 has been in my possession since 1981. It was recently serviced in
> Ottawa; according to the work order the following parts changes were made
i)
> Belt Drive (ii) Belt control (iii) belt counter (iv) PR STD Mechv)
capacitor
> (vi) idler tire;
>
> Other servicing done included: (i) dismantled complete (ii) general clean
> and lube (iii) complete set-up to specifications. (iv) tested functions
and
> performance complete.
>
> On using the deck I continue to find these phenomena: (i) Fast Forward
mode
> is accompanied by a whining sound which increases in inensity till the end
> of the tape is reached; in contrast, the  Rewind mode is well regulated
and
> quiet. (ii) Playback of tape recorded from CDs shows excessively bright
and
> analytical sound that is brighter than that of the CD. The treble, in
> particular string instruments, was grainy. Tape used was Maxell XL-IIS
C-90;
> playback of tapes recorded on the LX-3 in the past from open-reel master
> tapes appears clear and reasonably similar to the factory sound which I
> recall. The tape was TDK-SA C-90.
>
> My main objection is to the recorded tape sounding brightere than the CD
> player(Rotel 965-BX; amp Rega Brio);
>
> Should I call the shop which did the servicing and what should I ask them
to
> look at?



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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Feb 14 21:47:24 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:47:24 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded sound on recently serviced Nakamichi  LX-3 
Message-ID: <003301bf772c$b3d96b20$080b86cc@sank1>

Judging from your quote of their work & your symptoms, it frankly sounds to
me like the servicer did not do all that they said they did, nor did they
use Nak test tapes.  XL-IIS will sound a bit bright, even when biased
correctly, but it sounds like you're talking about a good bit more than
normal.  Nak's are biased, normally, to the standard grades of TDK(D, SA &
MA), which are what Nak EX, SX & ZX tapes actually were.  SA biases nearly
identically to Maxell XL-II(not S), and XL-IIS should therefore be only
about a dB and a half bright in the 8kHz & up region.  Your FF squeal is
very likely dried up lubricant on the axle shaft of the supply reel table(a
common non-Sankyo transport problem).  Had the servicer actually
"disassembled & lubricated" the mechanism, this would have been addressed.
I therefore also doubt that they replaced the idler tire, as 1)it is between
the two main mech chassis plates & hard to get to, 2)these idlers almost
never actually need replacement, and 3)no "tire" is available from Nak for
that assembly.   One additional point is I, nor the Nak service manuals,
have a clue what a "PR STD Mech" is.  As Naktalkers, and esp. Jeff Galin,
know, I am the last one who would off-hand disparage another servicer, but
this does seem to be a clear case of one which is not Nak qualified.
My recommendation to you is to take the unit back to the servicer & demand
that they correct the squeal problem, re-calibrate the unit properly &
explain precisely what the items replaced are & show evidence that they were
in fact replaced.  Also demand that they show you the Nakamichi test tapes
that they are allegedly using, as well as the Nak or TDK reference recording
tapes used.  One more item, ask them to evidence that the capstan belt was
replaced with a Nak OC08096C belt, as any OEM replacement will eventually or
immediately cause the unit to damage tapes.


-----Original Message-----
From: Debashish Chakravarti <khambawati at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 11:45 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Recorded sound on recently serviced Nakamichi LX-3


>The LX-3 has been in my possession since 1981. It was recently serviced in
>Ottawa; according to the work order the following parts changes were made
i)
>Belt Drive (ii) Belt control (iii) belt counter (iv) PR STD Mechv)
capacitor
>(vi) idler tire;
>
>Other servicing done included: (i) dismantled complete (ii) general clean
>and lube (iii) complete set-up to specifications. (iv) tested functions and
>performance complete.
>
>On using the deck I continue to find these phenomena: (i) Fast Forward mode
>is accompanied by a whining sound which increases in inensity till the end
>of the tape is reached; in contrast, the  Rewind mode is well regulated and
>quiet. (ii) Playback of tape recorded from CDs shows excessively bright and
>analytical sound that is brighter than that of the CD. The treble, in
>particular string instruments, was grainy. Tape used was Maxell XL-IIS
C-90;
>playback of tapes recorded on the LX-3 in the past from open-reel master
>tapes appears clear and reasonably similar to the factory sound which I
>recall. The tape was TDK-SA C-90.
>
>My main objection is to the recorded tape sounding brightere than the CD
>player(Rotel 965-BX; amp Rega Brio);
>
>Should I call the shop which did the servicing and what should I ask them
to
>look at?
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From leemichaelb at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 22:48:22 2000
From: leemichaelb at yahoo.com (Mike Lee)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:48:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] FS: CR-7a
Message-ID: <20000214214822.5237.qmail@web304.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

Its been a tough decision to make, but I've decided to
sell my CR-7a.  I'm not really using it as often as I
used to, and would prefer to sell it to someone who
will appreciate it.  Now for the nitty-gritty stuff...

The good:
[1] Originally purchased from SonicSense a few years
ago, when it had a new PB head installed.  I assume
that I am the second owner, but I can't be certain.
[2] I recently had the autocalibration circuitry
overhauled to spec by Stephen Sank, as this is an
earlier production model that had the bad equalization
circuit.
[3] The deck was fully tuned and calibrated during
this period, and according to Mr. Sank it is nearly
indistinguishable from new, spec-wise and wear-wise.
[4] I do have the wireless remote
[5] I do have the manual
[6] I'm meticulous about maintenance.
[7] Looks nice.
[8] sounds better!

The bad and the ugly:
[1] Not quite mint, with a hairline nick/scratch or
two along each side of the faceplate.
[2] The previous owner took notes in the manual.  
[3] Some corrosion on the remote battery terminals
which I work around by using aluminum foil
strategically.
[4] The trip out to Mr. Sank was a bit of a rough
ride...a circuit board cracked and one of the control
microprocessors died as a result.  This was despite
double boxed shipping.  No physical damage resulted,
so an insurance claim could not be filed.  N.B. Mr.
Sank was kind enough to fix this problem for free!
[5] As long as I've owned it, the deck has had a bit
of a bug, which I'll describe below:  (cut-snip-paste)

>As the deck records, the high frequencies
>gradually become slightly dulled, as if the bias
>current increases somewhat with time.  This is most
>obvious after recording continuously for about 30
>minutes and using the tape/source monitoring
function.
> Recalibrating the deck resolves the problem, but it
> always reappears.  The deck has been this way as
long
>as I have had it, and I've worked around it by making
>a habit of recalibrating every-now-and-again.
>Obviously the problem is also less severe if you
don't
>run the tapes as hot as recommended in the manual.

That's all that I can think of at the moment; if
anything else comes to mind I will write the list with
an update.  

I originally offered this deck as a private sale back
to Mr. Sank, knowing that my deck would find a good
home, and knowing that Mr. Sank is probably one of the
most qualified people to track down whatever it is
that causes the treble problem.  Unfortunately (for
both of us) he is not able to purchase it at this
time, but he was kind enough to appraise it at $900
(for naktalkers only, a little more elsewhere!)  

So that's where it stands.  I'd like to sell my CR-7a,
as described above, for $900 plus S/H and insurance
(from Belmont, MA, USA.)  I will carefully double box
it.  I prefer to be paid by COD or money order.  If
paid by check I'd wait for it to clear before shipping
the CR-7a out.  

Finally, I'd like to thank Stephen Sank for all his
assistance.  He was exceptionally honest and generous
while working on my CR-7a, and he has always been very
helpful.  

Mike
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Feb 14 23:10:46 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:10:46 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
Message-ID: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl>

Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale on
ebay..

http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm

Wouter

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From aguyes at roanoke.infi.net  Tue Feb 15 00:54:50 2000
From: aguyes at roanoke.infi.net (Alan Guyes)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <007c01bf7746$e6ca58e0$0b00000a@main>

Wouter -

Thanks for the mention.  If you would like to add a copy of this lit to you
Nak ftp site, please let me know.  I have a zipped copy sitting on my
computer.  It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff

Alan Guyes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:10 PM
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link


> Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale on
> ebay..
>
> http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
>
> Wouter
>
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Feb 15 01:44:51 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:44:51 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
Message-ID: <86256886.0003BFD3.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

It's Gramophone, February 2000.  I don't think it's available on their site.



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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Feb 15 01:45:55 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:45:55 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Be aware !
Message-ID: <86256886.0003D86B.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

If you are into classical, Gramophone is the source of it all.  I have only
recently started reading it, and savoring it.



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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Feb 15 02:45:13 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:45:13 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak MR1's....
Message-ID: <FIHMPOCHCONHEAAA@angelfire.com>

Good Evening!

Have a look at this recent ebay advert, which is  certainly the largest audio auction item I've ever read about on the internet.  Nearly a hundred (100) Nak MR1's for sale with all the duplicating goodies.  That's one heavy shelf full of Nak equipment........

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=258498363

Goodness, it must have been a sight to see in its prime, a wall of Naks spinning cassettes simultaneously. I wonder how many hours of milage are on those decks?  Carlos, is this the kind of gear that you use for business activities??

Also, there are currently a couple demagg units on ebay, just in case someone is in the market for a DM-10 or replica.

Mr Blues

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Feb 15 03:19:54 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:19:54 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
Message-ID: <JNJALMPBHMPHEAAA@angelfire.com>

Alan!  Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck, that's a gawd-awful handsome piece of gear!!!  I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand engraved onto the  surface of the component.  Where might the engraving be placed on a deck?  Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in their possession currently??  Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom hardwiring??? <grin>

Mr Blues

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500
From: "Alan Guyes" <aguyes at roanoke.infi.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link

Wouter -

Thanks for the mention.  If you would like to add a copy of this lit to your Nak ftp site, please let me know.  I have a zipped copy sitting on my computer.  It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff

                   Alan Guyes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link

> Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale on
> ebay..
>
> http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
>
> Wouter
>
>


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From stemcor at techno-link.com  Tue Feb 15 08:20:22 2000
From: stemcor at techno-link.com (stemcor)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:20:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <002001bf7785$2047df00$290024d4@infosysbank.com>

WOW!!! (uh, that's all I'm able to verbalize at this time)

George
----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: 15 Ôåâðóàðè 2000 ã. 00:10
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link


> Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale on
> ebay..
>
> http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
>
> Wouter
>
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From stemcor at techno-link.com  Tue Feb 15 08:25:40 2000
From: stemcor at techno-link.com (stemcor)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:25:40 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon versions ?
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <002401bf7785$dd0c74c0$290024d4@infosysbank.com>

While discussing a missing azimuth cable from a recently purchased
second-hand Dragon with a friend of mine, he tried to convince me that
Nakamichi had produced a series of "low-end" Dragons without the auto
azimuth capability for "people who'd like to show off their Nak without
really being into the fine aspects of cassette tape usage", hence the
missing cable. I told him that this is probably bullshit, but nevertheless
I'd like to check this rumour with the most knowledgeable group that I know
of - this list.

George

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Feb 15 09:08:20 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:08:20 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon versions ?
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl> <002401bf7785$dd0c74c0$290024d4@infosysbank.com>
Message-ID: <38A90974.DB9ACF71@xs4all.nl>

I guess I must agree to the bullshit thing...
I also bought a second hand Dragon that was missing major parts of the AA motor (the
motor) itself and also the cable!!
It seems that 'techs' try to repair AA problems by removing the cable and even removing
the motor to get rid of the noise....

Wouter

stemcor wrote:

> While discussing a missing azimuth cable from a recently purchased
> second-hand Dragon with a friend of mine, he tried to convince me that
> Nakamichi had produced a series of "low-end" Dragons without the auto
> azimuth capability for "people who'd like to show off their Nak without
> really being into the fine aspects of cassette tape usage", hence the
> missing cable. I told him that this is probably bullshit, but nevertheless
> I'd like to check this rumour with the most knowledgeable group that I know
> of - this list.
>
> George

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Feb 15 09:14:09 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:14:09 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
References: <JNJALMPBHMPHEAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <38A90AD1.52A64646@xs4all.nl>

Your name is (or was) written on the 'Auto Azimuth' plate on the cassette door....

I actually touched the LTD of a friend... YES I have a friend who owns one.....

Wouter


The BlueSwapper wrote:

> Alan!  Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck, that's a gawd-awful handsome piece of gear!!!  I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand engraved onto the  surface of the component.  Where might the engraving be placed on a deck?  Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in their possession currently??  Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom hardwiring??? <grin>
>
> Mr Blues
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500
> From: "Alan Guyes" <aguyes at roanoke.infi.net>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
>
> Wouter -
>
> Thanks for the mention.  If you would like to add a copy of this lit to your Nak ftp site, please let me know.  I have a zipped copy sitting on my computer.  It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff
>
>                    Alan Guyes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
>
> > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale on
> > ebay..
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> >

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From stemcor at techno-link.com  Tue Feb 15 11:45:30 2000
From: stemcor at techno-link.com (stemcor)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:45:30 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon versions ?
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl> <002401bf7785$dd0c74c0$290024d4@infosysbank.com> <38A90974.DB9ACF71@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001401bf77a1$c7d92500$b70024d4@infosysbank.com>

Thanks Wouter, that's what I thought - and what the one and only Steve Sank
presumed too.

George
----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: 15 Ôåâðóàðè 2000 ã. 10:08
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon versions ?


> I guess I must agree to the bullshit thing...
> I also bought a second hand Dragon that was missing major parts of the AA
motor (the
> motor) itself and also the cable!!
> It seems that 'techs' try to repair AA problems by removing the cable and
even removing
> the motor to get rid of the noise....
>
> Wouter
>
> stemcor wrote:
>
> > While discussing a missing azimuth cable from a recently purchased
> > second-hand Dragon with a friend of mine, he tried to convince me that
> > Nakamichi had produced a series of "low-end" Dragons without the auto
> > azimuth capability for "people who'd like to show off their Nak without
> > really being into the fine aspects of cassette tape usage", hence the
> > missing cable. I told him that this is probably bullshit, but
nevertheless
> > I'd like to check this rumour with the most knowledgeable group that I
know
> > of - this list.
> >
> > George
>
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb 15 13:42:21 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:42:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <000901bf77b2$1af34da0$1d2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Impressive machine but still too expensive and difficult to reach. I found
one and the owner was asking $4,000 for it in acclaimed "like new" condition
with all the extras. 4 grands is crazy for a cassette deck. I wouldn't pay
more than $2,000 for a piece like this in good condition, more than that, is
just bullshit.

The Tape Man

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From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:10 PM
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link


> Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale on
> ebay..
>
> http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
>
> Wouter
>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Feb 15 13:54:02 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:54:02 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl> <000901bf77b2$1af34da0$1d2f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <00ea01bf77b3$bd33c080$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi Carlos,

Agreed but WHAT A DREAM! However I really doubt that any owner
of such a dream will play tapes on it - hour by hour.

Michael

> Impressive machine but still too expensive and difficult to reach. I found
> one and the owner was asking $4,000 for it in acclaimed "like new"
condition
> with all the extras. 4 grands is crazy for a cassette deck. I wouldn't pay
> more than $2,000 for a piece like this in good condition, more than that,
is
> just bullshit.
>
> The Tape Man

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From atan at myna.com  Tue Feb 15 15:23:59 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:23:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl> <000901bf77b2$1af34da0$1d2f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <38A9617E.CDE7610F@myna.com>

Carlos,

Heh-heh... most people I know think spending a thousand bucks
for a tapedeck is bullshit.

Andrew.

Carlos wrote:

> Impressive machine but still too expensive and difficult to reach. I found
> one and the owner was asking $4,000 for it in acclaimed "like new" condition
> with all the extras. 4 grands is crazy for a cassette deck. I wouldn't pay
> more than $2,000 for a piece like this in good condition, more than that, is
> just bullshit.
>
> The Tape Man
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:10 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
>
> > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale on
> > ebay..
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
> >
> > Wouter
> >
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Wed Feb 16 00:23:57 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:23:57 EST
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
Message-ID: <a.f5854c.25db3a0d@aol.com>

you also could level it blank, this is the way my 1000 ZXL LTD came
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From jeffchua at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 16 00:29:40 2000
From: jeffchua at hotmail.com (chua jeffrey)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:29:40 PST
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
Message-ID: <20000215232940.73880.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hi

I am a lucky one to own a 1000ZXL. But the set now requires servicing to 
bring it to operating condition. I could not recall or find my personal name 
engraved anywhere on the machine.

Jeffrey


>From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: naktalk at naks.com, aguyes at roanoke.infi.net
>CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com
>Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:19:54 -0800
>
>Alan!  Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck, 
>that's a gawd-awful handsome piece of gear!!!  I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi 
>himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand 
>engraved onto the  surface of the component.  Where might the engraving be 
>placed on a deck?  Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in 
>their possession currently??  Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom 
>hardwiring??? <grin>
>
>Mr Blues
>
>~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>
>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500
>From: "Alan Guyes" <aguyes at roanoke.infi.net>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
>
>Wouter -
>
>Thanks for the mention.  If you would like to add a copy of this lit to 
>your Nak ftp site, please let me know.  I have a zipped copy sitting on my 
>computer.  It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff
>
>                    Alan Guyes
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
>
> > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale on
> > ebay..
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> >
>
>
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Wed Feb 16 00:34:52 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:34:52 EST
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
Message-ID: <ac.15d91f7.25db3c9c@aol.com>

I was the person who bought the 1000 ZXL LTD LIT ON EBAY.

I also own 1000ZXL LTD deck, and find it to be the best way to enjoy super 
audio in my car using my TD-1200II and TD-1000.  And to those who think $4000 
is to much for a tape deck must understand people have different priorities 
and incomes.
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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Wed Feb 16 01:22:39 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:22:39 EST
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
Message-ID: <aa.164eea7.25db47cf@aol.com>

Guess you told us, Scalnajim! Yes, Leona, (to fracture the reference), "Let 
the "little people" eat cake!" Geez!!
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 16 03:27:16 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:27:16 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <ac.15d91f7.25db3c9c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001f01bf7825$5949e000$a62f2ac4@coqui.net>

Good for you ! and congratulations on your limited deck. Unfortunately for
me, expending that kind of money in a cassette deck "today" is crazy. I
bought a $35,000 digital Bin Loop for my factory and sometimes I believe it
was "crazy" too but when I listen to the copies we produce I can't erase the
smile on my face.

Yes! everyone has different priorities. Enjoy yours. I'll enjoy mine's.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: <Scalnajim at aol.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link


> I was the person who bought the 1000 ZXL LTD LIT ON EBAY.
>
> I also own 1000ZXL LTD deck, and find it to be the best way to enjoy super
> audio in my car using my TD-1200II and TD-1000.  And to those who think
$4000
> is to much for a tape deck must understand people have different
priorities
> and incomes.
>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 16 03:31:14 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:31:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl> <000901bf77b2$1af34da0$1d2f2ac4@coqui.net> <38A9617E.CDE7610F@myna.com>
Message-ID: <004101bf7825$e725cb00$a62f2ac4@coqui.net>

Ha, Ha ! I know what you mean, Andrew. Perhaps I'm becoming too conservative
for this "collector's item stuff.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Tan <atan at myna.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link


> Carlos,
>
> Heh-heh... most people I know think spending a thousand bucks
> for a tapedeck is bullshit.
>
> Andrew.
>
> Carlos wrote:
>
> > Impressive machine but still too expensive and difficult to reach. I
found
> > one and the owner was asking $4,000 for it in acclaimed "like new"
condition
> > with all the extras. 4 grands is crazy for a cassette deck. I wouldn't
pay
> > more than $2,000 for a piece like this in good condition, more than
that, is
> > just bullshit.
> >
> > The Tape Man
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:10 PM
> > Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> >
> > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale
on
> > > ebay..
> > >
> > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 16 03:36:27 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:36:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
References: <20000215232940.73880.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004b01bf7826$a03e6fc0$a62f2ac4@coqui.net>

Jeff, I'm also a proud owner of a 1000 ZXL. For those who wants a "gold"
plate with your name on it without paying $4,000 for a deck (crazy thing),
just do what I did: go to a trophy center and ask for one with your name .
It would cost you $5.00 and paste it on your deck. No matter if it is a 1000
ZXL or a 480 ! Everyone can have his/her name on the deck, turntable, amps,
etc ... Ha, ha ,Ha ! Not 24 karat gold available ? So what ? Who the hell
cares, after all, it's your name what counts ...

The Tape Man

----- Original Message -----
From: chua jeffrey <jeffchua at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....


> Hi
>
> I am a lucky one to own a 1000ZXL. But the set now requires servicing to
> bring it to operating condition. I could not recall or find my personal
name
> engraved anywhere on the machine.
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
> >From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
> >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> >To: naktalk at naks.com, aguyes at roanoke.infi.net
> >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com
> >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
> >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:19:54 -0800
> >
> >Alan!  Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck,
> >that's a gawd-awful handsome piece of gear!!!  I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi
> >himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand
> >engraved onto the  surface of the component.  Where might the engraving
be
> >placed on a deck?  Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in
> >their possession currently??  Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom
> >hardwiring??? <grin>
> >
> >Mr Blues
> >
> >~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> >
> >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> >
> >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500
> >From: "Alan Guyes" <aguyes at roanoke.infi.net>
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> >
> >Wouter -
> >
> >Thanks for the mention.  If you would like to add a copy of this lit to
> >your Nak ftp site, please let me know.  I have a zipped copy sitting on
my
> >computer.  It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff
> >
> >                    Alan Guyes
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> >
> > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale
on
> > > ebay..
> > >
> > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
> > >
> > > Wouter
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From atan at myna.com  Wed Feb 16 02:35:30 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:35:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <ac.15d91f7.25db3c9c@aol.com> <001f01bf7825$5949e000$a62f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <38A9FEE0.FC208A3@myna.com>

Ooooooo Guys, is this going to devolve into  a competition to
see whose is bigger then..?

A.

Carlos wrote:

> Good for you ! and congratulations on your limited deck. Unfortunately for
> me, expending that kind of money in a cassette deck "today" is crazy. I
> bought a $35,000 digital Bin Loop for my factory and sometimes I believe it
> was "crazy" too but when I listen to the copies we produce I can't erase the
> smile on my face.
>
> Yes! everyone has different priorities. Enjoy yours. I'll enjoy mine's.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Scalnajim at aol.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
>
> > I was the person who bought the 1000 ZXL LTD LIT ON EBAY.
> >
> > I also own 1000ZXL LTD deck, and find it to be the best way to enjoy super
> > audio in my car using my TD-1200II and TD-1000.  And to those who think
> $4000
> > is to much for a tape deck must understand people have different
> priorities
> > and incomes.
> >
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From atan at myna.com  Wed Feb 16 02:37:36 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:37:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <ac.15d91f7.25db3c9c@aol.com> <001f01bf7825$5949e000$a62f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <38A9FF5E.16CE871C@myna.com>

Ooooooo Guys, is this going to devolve into  a competition to
see whose is bigger then..?

A.

Carlos wrote:

> Good for you ! and congratulations on your limited deck. Unfortunately for
> me, expending that kind of money in a cassette deck "today" is crazy. I
> bought a $35,000 digital Bin Loop for my factory and sometimes I believe it
> was "crazy" too but when I listen to the copies we produce I can't erase the
> smile on my face.
>
> Yes! everyone has different priorities. Enjoy yours. I'll enjoy mine's.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Scalnajim at aol.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
>
> > I was the person who bought the 1000 ZXL LTD LIT ON EBAY.
> >
> > I also own 1000ZXL LTD deck, and find it to be the best way to enjoy super
> > audio in my car using my TD-1200II and TD-1000.  And to those who think
> $4000
> > is to much for a tape deck must understand people have different
> priorities
> > and incomes.
> >
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From atan at myna.com  Wed Feb 16 02:56:08 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:56:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
References: <20000215232940.73880.qmail@hotmail.com> <004b01bf7826$a03e6fc0$a62f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <38AA03B6.31715FA7@myna.com>

THIS has got to be one of the funniest threads, ever!

A.

Carlos wrote:

> Jeff, I'm also a proud owner of a 1000 ZXL. For those who wants a "gold"
> plate with your name on it without paying $4,000 for a deck (crazy thing),
> just do what I did: go to a trophy center and ask for one with your name .
> It would cost you $5.00 and paste it on your deck. No matter if it is a 1000
> ZXL or a 480 ! Everyone can have his/her name on the deck, turntable, amps,
> etc ... Ha, ha ,Ha ! Not 24 karat gold available ? So what ? Who the hell
> cares, after all, it's your name what counts ...
>
> The Tape Man
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: chua jeffrey <jeffchua at hotmail.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I am a lucky one to own a 1000ZXL. But the set now requires servicing to
> > bring it to operating condition. I could not recall or find my personal
> name
> > engraved anywhere on the machine.
> >
> > Jeffrey
> >
> >
> > >From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
> > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
> > >To: naktalk at naks.com, aguyes at roanoke.infi.net
> > >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com
> > >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL is Awesome.....
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:19:54 -0800
> > >
> > >Alan!  Thanks much for sharing your info on the Nak 1000ZXL LTD Deck,
> > >that's a gawd-awful handsome piece of gear!!!  I'm curious, Mr Nakamichi
> > >himself writes in the literature that each deck has its owner's name hand
> > >engraved onto the  surface of the component.  Where might the engraving
> be
> > >placed on a deck?  Does anyone among us have such a glorious component in
> > >their possession currently??  Would a 1000ZXL LTD benefit from custom
> > >hardwiring??? <grin>
> > >
> > >Mr Blues
> > >
> > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> > >Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> > >
> > >~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> > >
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:54:50 -0500
> > >From: "Alan Guyes" <aguyes at roanoke.infi.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> > >
> > >Wouter -
> > >
> > >Thanks for the mention.  If you would like to add a copy of this lit to
> > >your Nak ftp site, please let me know.  I have a zipped copy sitting on
> my
> > >computer.  It's pretty large - about 10mb and was scanned as a .tiff
> > >
> > >                    Alan Guyes
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> > >
> > > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale
> on
> > > > ebay..
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From atan at myna.com  Wed Feb 16 02:57:48 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:57:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl> <000901bf77b2$1af34da0$1d2f2ac4@coqui.net> <38A9617E.CDE7610F@myna.com> <004101bf7825$e725cb00$a62f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <38AA0419.B1911202@myna.com>

Carlos,

Chill man, don't let the children get to you..

A.

Carlos wrote:

> Ha, Ha ! I know what you mean, Andrew. Perhaps I'm becoming too conservative
> for this "collector's item stuff.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Tan <atan at myna.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
>
> > Carlos,
> >
> > Heh-heh... most people I know think spending a thousand bucks
> > for a tapedeck is bullshit.
> >
> > Andrew.
> >
> > Carlos wrote:
> >
> > > Impressive machine but still too expensive and difficult to reach. I
> found
> > > one and the owner was asking $4,000 for it in acclaimed "like new"
> condition
> > > with all the extras. 4 grands is crazy for a cassette deck. I wouldn't
> pay
> > > more than $2,000 for a piece like this in good condition, more than
> that, is
> > > just bullshit.
> > >
> > > The Tape Man
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:10 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> > >
> > > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale
> on
> > > > ebay..
> > > >
> > > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
> > > >
> > > > Wouter
> > > >
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From atan at myna.com  Wed Feb 16 03:18:57 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:18:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl> <000901bf77b2$1af34da0$1d2f2ac4@coqui.net> <38A9617E.CDE7610F@myna.com> <004101bf7825$e725cb00$a62f2ac4@coqui.net>
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Carlos,

Heh...
I was just having a discussion with some friends the other day about some
crazy prices that people pay for stuff, and one took the position that it is
just plain greed which drives some people to ask for whatever the market will
bear, and the other took the opposite stand, saying that it is only natural
that the person should try and get as much as he/she can.

I believe the same issue is being discussed in America now, in particular
about the sale of 'eggs' by young , healthy women for sums upwards of
$100,000 US. I have been told that in America, when you ask someone
for the price of something, the reply is often, " How much are you willing
to pay for it?" This is particularly rampant  in the field of collectibles.

In fact just a few months ago, I was watching a broadcast of the Dunhill Cup
from Scotland, and among the commentators was an American announcer.
When asked if he was enjoying his time in Scotland, he said that he had bought
himself some incredible bargains from some of the antiquarian bookstores
which dotted the town around St. Andrew's, and commented that surely after
his spree, the retailers would raise the prices for their incredibly valuable stock,
to which the Scottish commentator replied," No, they like to charge a fair price
for their goods."...ahem.

Andrew.


Carlos wrote:

> Ha, Ha ! I know what you mean, Andrew. Perhaps I'm becoming too conservative
> for this "collector's item stuff.
>
> Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Tan <atan at myna.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
>
> > Carlos,
> >
> > Heh-heh... most people I know think spending a thousand bucks
> > for a tapedeck is bullshit.
> >
> > Andrew.
> >
> > Carlos wrote:
> >
> > > Impressive machine but still too expensive and difficult to reach. I
> found
> > > one and the owner was asking $4,000 for it in acclaimed "like new"
> condition
> > > with all the extras. 4 grands is crazy for a cassette deck. I wouldn't
> pay
> > > more than $2,000 for a piece like this in good condition, more than
> that, is
> > > just bullshit.
> > >
> > > The Tape Man
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:10 PM
> > > Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> > >
> > > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure sale
> on
> > > > ebay..
> > > >
> > > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
> > > >
> > > > Wouter
> > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 16 05:05:31 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:05:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <38A87D66.F79C54B@xs4all.nl> <000901bf77b2$1af34da0$1d2f2ac4@coqui.net> <38A9617E.CDE7610F@myna.com> <004101bf7825$e725cb00$a62f2ac4@coqui.net> <38AA090E.88E9F0D5@myna.com>
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Yeah ! as Scalnahim said: "Everyone has priorities and incomes " I guess
that both goes by hand. Now seriously, I simply gets cold when I see what
people pays for "paper" at e. bay. Well, that's life !

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Tan <atan at myna.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link


> Carlos,
>
> Heh...
> I was just having a discussion with some friends the other day about some
> crazy prices that people pay for stuff, and one took the position that it
is
> just plain greed which drives some people to ask for whatever the market
will
> bear, and the other took the opposite stand, saying that it is only
natural
> that the person should try and get as much as he/she can.
>
> I believe the same issue is being discussed in America now, in particular
> about the sale of 'eggs' by young , healthy women for sums upwards of
> $100,000 US. I have been told that in America, when you ask someone
> for the price of something, the reply is often, " How much are you willing
> to pay for it?" This is particularly rampant  in the field of
collectibles.
>
> In fact just a few months ago, I was watching a broadcast of the Dunhill
Cup
> from Scotland, and among the commentators was an American announcer.
> When asked if he was enjoying his time in Scotland, he said that he had
bought
> himself some incredible bargains from some of the antiquarian bookstores
> which dotted the town around St. Andrew's, and commented that surely after
> his spree, the retailers would raise the prices for their incredibly
valuable stock,
> to which the Scottish commentator replied," No, they like to charge a fair
price
> for their goods."...ahem.
>
> Andrew.
>
>
> Carlos wrote:
>
> > Ha, Ha ! I know what you mean, Andrew. Perhaps I'm becoming too
conservative
> > for this "collector's item stuff.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Andrew Tan <atan at myna.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > Heh-heh... most people I know think spending a thousand bucks
> > > for a tapedeck is bullshit.
> > >
> > > Andrew.
> > >
> > > Carlos wrote:
> > >
> > > > Impressive machine but still too expensive and difficult to reach. I
> > found
> > > > one and the owner was asking $4,000 for it in acclaimed "like new"
> > condition
> > > > with all the extras. 4 grands is crazy for a cassette deck. I
wouldn't
> > pay
> > > > more than $2,000 for a piece like this in good condition, more than
> > that, is
> > > > just bullshit.
> > > >
> > > > The Tape Man
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > > > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:10 PM
> > > > Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> > > >
> > > > > Check out this interesting link found on a 1000ZXL LTD brochure
sale
> > on
> > > > > ebay..
> > > > >
> > > > > http://members.aol.com/alanguyes/1000ZXL.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Wouter
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Feb 16 05:09:21 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:09:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
References: <ac.15d91f7.25db3c9c@aol.com> <001f01bf7825$5949e000$a62f2ac4@coqui.net> <38A9FEE0.FC208A3@myna.com>
Message-ID: <002501bf7833$9ae000e0$512f2ac4@coqui.net>

Ha, Ha, Ha ! No, my friend, I'm not trying to start a "pissing" contest here
but wait unti I tell you how much our new packaging machine cost ! An arm
and a leg. Anything that has to do with duplication business is crazy
priced, specifically the CD equipment.

With my new Digital Bin-Loop I cut down set-up time, no more 1/2" tape for
the running master, download time is cut to half and the duplication speed
can go as fast as 128:1 !

Well, now you see why we paid that sum ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Tan <atan at myna.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link


> Ooooooo Guys, is this going to devolve into  a competition to
> see whose is bigger then..?
>
> A.
>
> Carlos wrote:
>
> > Good for you ! and congratulations on your limited deck. Unfortunately
for
> > me, expending that kind of money in a cassette deck "today" is crazy. I
> > bought a $35,000 digital Bin Loop for my factory and sometimes I believe
it
> > was "crazy" too but when I listen to the copies we produce I can't erase
the
> > smile on my face.
> >
> > Yes! everyone has different priorities. Enjoy yours. I'll enjoy mine's.
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Scalnajim at aol.com>
> > To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LTD brochure link
> >
> > > I was the person who bought the 1000 ZXL LTD LIT ON EBAY.
> > >
> > > I also own 1000ZXL LTD deck, and find it to be the best way to enjoy
super
> > > audio in my car using my TD-1200II and TD-1000.  And to those who
think
> > $4000
> > > is to much for a tape deck must understand people have different
> > priorities
> > > and incomes.
> > >
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From ddrucker at stny.rr.com  Thu Feb 17 22:16:44 2000
From: ddrucker at stny.rr.com (David Drucker)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:16:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] three-deck switcher
Message-ID: <006a01bf798c$4ac881e0$9c235e18@stny.rr.com>

Before I put this up on ebay, is anyone interested in a very cool three-deck
dubbing controller that also has AC switching for five components? It has
one record control for each deck, and a single play control.  The "deck"
switches select the record source so (for example) the Tape 1 switch
positions are off, amp, Tape 2, Tape 3, and Tape 2+3. The "play" switch
positions are off, amp, tape 1, tape 2, tape 3.

There's a master power control, and separate push-push switches to activate
back-panel AC jacks. Spike protection, too.

It came as part of a package deal, and I already have a dbx 400 switcher. No
manual, but it looks real simple.

I figure it's gotta be worth $50, including U.S. ground shipping. Elsewhere,
add whatever shipping costs.

First reply gets it.

DD
(check my feedback at ebay. I'm david515)

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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Thu Feb 17 22:41:53 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:41:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:37:11 +0100
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Hello Naktalkers,

Can anyone tell me if the Nak Dragon machinery is based on the japanese (such as the zx 9) or the taiwanese mechanism (such as the cr7).

Norman
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From jeidbo at toolcity.net  Thu Feb 17 22:37:18 2000
From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (Joel Eidbo)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:37:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] three-deck switcher
References: <006a01bf798c$4ac881e0$9c235e18@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <006401bf798f$2b5c0b80$a8e90bd0@oemcomputer>

do you have a photo, or a brand name and model number?  thanks, joel
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Drucker" <ddrucker at stny.rr.com>
To: "Nak List" <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 4:16 PM
Subject: [naktalk] three-deck switcher


> Before I put this up on ebay, is anyone interested in a very cool
three-deck
> dubbing controller that also has AC switching for five components? It has
> one record control for each deck, and a single play control.  The "deck"
> switches select the record source so (for example) the Tape 1 switch
> positions are off, amp, Tape 2, Tape 3, and Tape 2+3. The "play" switch
> positions are off, amp, tape 1, tape 2, tape 3.
>
> There's a master power control, and separate push-push switches to
activate
> back-panel AC jacks. Spike protection, too.
>
> It came as part of a package deal, and I already have a dbx 400 switcher.
No
> manual, but it looks real simple.
>
> I figure it's gotta be worth $50, including U.S. ground shipping.
Elsewhere,
> add whatever shipping costs.
>
> First reply gets it.
>
> DD
> (check my feedback at ebay. I'm david515)
>
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From captain at bestweb.net  Thu Feb 17 17:47:45 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:47:45 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:37:11 +0100
References: <000e01bf798f$26bf03c0$00ecfea9@asus>
Message-ID: <38AC2631.17DE@bestweb.net>

Norman,
     It's based on the older techonlogy as found in the ZX-9.

                              Tom
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From ddrucker at stny.rr.com  Thu Feb 17 23:05:47 2000
From: ddrucker at stny.rr.com (David Drucker)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:05:47 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] three-deck switcher
References: <006a01bf798c$4ac881e0$9c235e18@stny.rr.com> <006401bf798f$2b5c0b80$a8e90bd0@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <000f01bf7993$255a6de0$9c235e18@stny.rr.com>

It's a DAK SPC-2000. I'll take a digipic and send it along in a bit.
dd

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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] three-deck switcher


> do you have a photo, or a brand name and model number?  thanks, joel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Drucker" <ddrucker at stny.rr.com>
> To: "Nak List" <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 4:16 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] three-deck switcher
>
>
> > Before I put this up on ebay, is anyone interested in a very cool
> three-deck
> > dubbing controller that also has AC switching for five components? It
has
> > one record control for each deck, and a single play control.  The "deck"
> > switches select the record source so (for example) the Tape 1 switch
> > positions are off, amp, Tape 2, Tape 3, and Tape 2+3. The "play" switch
> > positions are off, amp, tape 1, tape 2, tape 3.
> >
> > There's a master power control, and separate push-push switches to
> activate
> > back-panel AC jacks. Spike protection, too.
> >
> > It came as part of a package deal, and I already have a dbx 400
switcher.
> No
> > manual, but it looks real simple.
> >
> > I figure it's gotta be worth $50, including U.S. ground shipping.
> Elsewhere,
> > add whatever shipping costs.
> >
> > First reply gets it.
> >
> > DD
> > (check my feedback at ebay. I'm david515)
> >
> >
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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au  Thu Feb 17 23:42:00 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:42:00 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:37:11 +0100
In-Reply-To: <000e01bf798f$26bf03c0$00ecfea9@asus>
Message-ID: <200002172245.JAA08412@mail.neca.nec.com.au>

Hi Norman,

    I believe the Dragon Mechanism is Japanese - like the ZX-9.

    Regards Tom.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On
Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen
    Sent: Friday, 18 February 2000 8:42
    To: naktalk at naks.com
    Subject: [naktalk] Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:37:11 +0100


    Hello Naktalkers,

    Can anyone tell me if the Nak Dragon machinery is based on the
japanese (such as the zx 9) or the taiwanese mechanism (such as the
cr7).

    Norman


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From jannissu at worldonline.nl  Fri Feb 18 10:02:44 2000
From: jannissu at worldonline.nl (Jannis)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:02:44 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Virus W32-Pretty worm
Message-ID: <000801bf79ef$a6a77440$cec9f1c3@jannissu>

Hey guys,

According to McAfee's virus detector Walter Buitendijk's e-mail attachment contains the W32 - Pretty worm virus.
So wach it.

Jannis Soulantikas
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Fri Feb 18 11:10:06 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:10:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] new service manuals available!
Message-ID: <38AD1A7D.2436D6D3@xs4all.nl>

Thanks to Norman we now have two new service manuals available on the
ftp server:

N480:
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/N480_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/N480_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/N480_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/N480_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/N480_5_ServiceManualFinal.pdf
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/N480_6_ServiceManualFinal.pdf
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/N480_7_ServiceManualFinal.pdf

NR200:
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/NR200_1_ServiceManualFinal.pdf
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/NR200_2_ServiceManualFinal.pdf
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/NR200_3_ServiceManualFinal.pdf
ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/NR200_4_ServiceManualFinal.pdf

Wouter

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Feb 20 20:14:03 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:14:03 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] site change
Message-ID: <38B03CFB.3C201C22@xs4all.nl>


I still see a lot of people subscribing to Naktalk through the geocities
site.
At this point this site is dead, most links don't work anymore and I
don't update this site anymore, I simply can't because I don't have a
password!

So please update your bookmarks to point to the new site:

    http://www.naks.com

Thanks,

Wouter

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Tue Feb 22 04:27:20 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:57:20 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Buy the real thing - not paper!
Message-ID: <001801bf7ce4$be138040$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Naks

I found this link - for 1000ZXL and Ltd 1000ZXL - in UK
Instead of paying 700 USD for service manual you can purchase the equipment
for 2000 USD only!
Kannan

http://www.hifi-stereo.com/category.iaw?Type=TapeDecks

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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Feb 22 11:23:36 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:23:36 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Buy the real thing - not paper!
References: <001801bf7ce4$be138040$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <001901bf7d1e$e19fcb60$6f2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Thanks Kannan:

Unfortunately for us in America due to the strong British Pound value, the
prices are well over $2,000 plus shipping. A 1000 ZXL limited is nearly
$5,000. An RX 505 is over $1,000.

Good quality but prices way too high ...

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan. S <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
To: naktalk <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 10:27 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Buy the real thing - not paper!


> Dear Naks
>
> I found this link - for 1000ZXL and Ltd 1000ZXL - in UK
> Instead of paying 700 USD for service manual you can purchase the
equipment
> for 2000 USD only!
> Kannan
>
> http://www.hifi-stereo.com/category.iaw?Type=TapeDecks
>
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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Tue Feb 22 15:53:30 2000
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:53:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX - Need pitch control knob
Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B45FA728@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>


	I just purshased a 680ZX that is mechanically in very good
condition.  It is missing the Pitch Control Knob.  Is Nak Parts the best
place to purchase a new knob or is there a better source.

	Thanks for any response.

	Kurtis
	kurtis.bahr at lmco.com or kbahr at erols.com 
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From hp at nettrain.co.uk  Tue Feb 22 16:35:16 2000
From: hp at nettrain.co.uk (Howard Popeck)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:35:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX - Need pitch control knob
References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B45FA728@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <38B2ACAE.5A30F129@nettrain.co.uk>

Hello. I only subscribed today. However I have a 682ZX and a 505SE.

Servicing via the official UK importer is very expensive in the UK. I have in the
past, with very great satisfaction, used the services of a service agent, Armstrong
Audio. They can supply parts for Nakamichi.  You can contact them on ahvsltd at aol.com.
Fine people to deal with.

Their phone number is 044  181 523 0051, Fax 044 181 523 4395

Hope this helps. Regards. Howard

===========

"Bahr, Kurtis" wrote:

>         I just purshased a 680ZX that is mechanically in very good
> condition.  It is missing the Pitch Control Knob.  Is Nak Parts the best
> place to purchase a new knob or is there a better source.
>
>         Thanks for any response.
>
>         Kurtis
>         kurtis.bahr at lmco.com or kbahr at erols.com
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From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com  Tue Feb 22 16:43:45 2000
From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:43:45 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX - Need pitch control knob
Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B45FA72C@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com>

Thanks for the help but I'm located in the USA.

Kurtis

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Howard Popeck [SMTP:hp at nettrain.co.uk]
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 22, 2000 10:35 AM
> To:	naktalk at naks.com
> Subject:	Re: [naktalk] 680ZX - Need pitch control knob
> 
> Hello. I only subscribed today. However I have a 682ZX and a 505SE.
> 
> Servicing via the official UK importer is very expensive in the UK. I have
> in the
> past, with very great satisfaction, used the services of a service agent,
> Armstrong
> Audio. They can supply parts for Nakamichi.  You can contact them on
> ahvsltd at aol.com.
> Fine people to deal with.
> 
> Their phone number is 044  181 523 0051, Fax 044 181 523 4395
> 
> Hope this helps. Regards. Howard
> 
> ===========
> 
> "Bahr, Kurtis" wrote:
> 
> >         I just purshased a 680ZX that is mechanically in very good
> > condition.  It is missing the Pitch Control Knob.  Is Nak Parts the best
> > place to purchase a new knob or is there a better source.
> >
> >         Thanks for any response.
> >
> >         Kurtis
> >         kurtis.bahr at lmco.com or kbahr at erols.com
> >
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From hp at nettrain.co.uk  Tue Feb 22 17:05:22 2000
From: hp at nettrain.co.uk (Howard Popeck)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:05:22 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 505SE
Message-ID: <38B2B3B7.62C632F6@nettrain.co.uk>

Hello. I have a virtually mint 505SE for sale. Literally no marks, full
functioning, sounds great. I'm looking for seven hundred US dollars.
Shipping not included. I have the original manual.  I'm based in the UK
and have not, until I found this mail list today, ever looked to see if
it was externally switchable between US and UK voltage. I will now
though.

Other Nakamichi equipment owned by me includes:

682ZX - still running fine after all these years. Brilliant engineering

MC1000 moving coil cartridge. Fantastic. Not quite a Koetsu Black, but
nearly! Well worth seeking out!

610 Pre amp - sold last week and still running after many many years.
Not a very dynamic sound though. More valve-sounding than solid state!

A giant receiver, model type I can't remember, but motorized volume
control, etc. Very heavy. Superb sound.

Nakamichi gear I should have bought, and stupidly didn't includes:

The 1000 series turntable

Those tiny speakers that had the big sound by need serious current to
drive them

That's it. Regards. Howard Popeck

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From n.j.hammink at chello.nl  Tue Feb 22 21:43:44 2000
From: n.j.hammink at chello.nl (Nico Hammink)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:43:44 +-100
Subject: [naktalk] Bad sound quality Nakamichi CR2E
Message-ID: <01BF7D7D.E517F600@d62131.dtk.chello.nl>

Hello,

I have problems with my Nakamichi CR2E cassettedeck. When I playback tapes which are (recently!) recorded with my CR2E, there is a strange vibrating sound audible (mainly piano-sounds). This problem occured mainly when I use TDK SA tapes. When using Maxell (XLII) tapes the problem is decreasing.

What is wrong?? Tape transport?? Bad contact between head and tape?? I have allready replaced the pinchroller (did not solve this problem)...

I look forward to a respons.

Thanks.

Regards,
Nico
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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Wed Feb 23 08:12:42 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:12:42 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <001701bf6c11$666c9860$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>
Message-ID: <38B38869.771E3FDC@it.cas.cz>

"Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:

> Hi!
>
> If you buy an transformer (220 <-> 110 in both directions, up to 500 watts)
> from RS-Components, this will work fine. I by myself use such athing with my
> overseas NAKS without any problem and much cheaper than upgrading with an
> original Nak-part (about 60 SFr)
>
> If you want more information please feel fre to conatct me directly
>
> Greetings
>
> Wolfgang
>
> ( w.smetanig at chello.at )
>
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Hi Wolfgang!

As I can see from your e-mail address, you are located in Austria. I am living nearby
in Prague and additionaly, I have ever had a strong affection to you country, so let
me ask you a question.

I have been intending to buy a good used Nak for a reasonable price, for some time.
Can you give me a suggestion, where is the nearest place for me to get it in  Austria
or Germany? There has never been a Nak-seller in Czech republic.

Thanks,

Andras Szollos.



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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Wed Feb 23 09:10:45 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:10:45 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <001701bf6c11$666c9860$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at> <38B38869.771E3FDC@it.cas.cz>
Message-ID: <033e01bf7dd5$7de30800$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi Andras,

I'm also nearby but opposite direction - Kiev, Ukraine.
If you will be traveling to Ukraine - you may visit me and see my
collection.
I also may assist you with some technical questions - unfortunately Stephen
Sank (A GREAT MAN!) is too far from us and we have to survive by ourselves.

As for source - if you have a friends in States - you may look over
rec.audio.marcetplace - there is some great oportunities (not always great
of
course) and E-Bay (always never know exactly what you are going to buy)

Misha
Kiev, Ukraine



> Hi Wolfgang!
>
> As I can see from your e-mail address, you are located in Austria. I am
living nearby
> in Prague and additionaly, I have ever had a strong affection to you
country, so let
> me ask you a question.
>
> I have been intending to buy a good used Nak for a reasonable price, for
some time.
> Can you give me a suggestion, where is the nearest place for me to get it
in  Austria
> or Germany? There has never been a Nak-seller in Czech republic.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andras Szollos.
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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Wed Feb 23 09:49:27 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:49:27 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <001701bf6c11$666c9860$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at> <38B38869.771E3FDC@it.cas.cz> <033e01bf7dd5$7de30800$6f6f6f6f@1>
Message-ID: <38B39F17.CEEE124B@it.cas.cz>

MVM wrote:

> Hi Andras,
>
> I'm also nearby but opposite direction - Kiev, Ukraine.
> If you will be traveling to Ukraine - you may visit me and see my
> collection.
> I also may assist you with some technical questions - unfortunately Stephen
> Sank (A GREAT MAN!) is too far from us and we have to survive by ourselves.
>
> As for source - if you have a friends in States - you may look over
> rec.audio.marcetplace - there is some great oportunities (not always great
> of
> course) and E-Bay (always never know exactly what you are going to buy)
>
> Misha
> Kiev, Ukraine
>

Thanks, Misha!

Andras.

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Wed Feb 23 14:28:57 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:58:57 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <001601bf7e01$f6a5eec0$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Wolfgang
I see lot of good Nak Decks come up in ebay German site also some revoxes.
Perhaps this will help you buy. Surprisingly no UK ( who are Anolog lovers!)
and Australian ebay sites do not contain any NAK decks?
Also I saw an Eumig FL1000 Cassette Deck for sale in German ebay.
I would like to hear from fellow Naktalk members whether they have any info
on this. This was advertised along with 1000ZXL as the first one to use
Microprocessor to use for both mechanism as well as for calibration. This I
remember to cost more than or equal to 1000 ZXL !
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Andras Szollos <szollos at it.cas.cz>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


>"Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> If you buy an transformer (220 <-> 110 in both directions, up to 500
watts)
>> from RS-Components, this will work fine. I by myself use such athing with
my
>> overseas NAKS without any problem and much cheaper than upgrading with an
>> original Nak-part (about 60 SFr)
>>
>> If you want more information please feel fre to conatct me directly
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>> ( w.smetanig at chello.at )
>>
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>
>As I can see from your e-mail address, you are located in Austria. I am
living nearby
>in Prague and additionaly, I have ever had a strong affection to you
country, so let
>me ask you a question.
>
>I have been intending to buy a good used Nak for a reasonable price, for
some time.
>Can you give me a suggestion, where is the nearest place for me to get it
in  Austria
>or Germany? There has never been a Nak-seller in Czech republic.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Andras Szollos.
>
>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Wed Feb 23 15:05:44 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:05:44 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Ltd Edition
Message-ID: <PCFJINKJAPKBHAAA@angelfire.com>

What a beautiful photo!  I'm entranced with that golden deck......

Ahhh, Just to know that one of these divine Nakamichi's is out there on the marketplace keeps the dream alive for me!!  Alas, I'm currently not in a position to spend that kind of money on a deck.  Other more practical priorities always supercede for me.  But someday, one of those precious ZXL LTD's will pop up for the taking, at an estate sale, or a pawn shop, maybe at an summertime garage sale!!!  

Dream on, Mr Blues......

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~~ Forwarded Message ~~~~~~~
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:57:20 +0530
From: "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: [naktalk] Buy the real thing!
Dear Naks

I found this link - for 1000ZXL and Ltd 1000ZXL - in UK.
Instead of paying 700 USD for service manual you can purchase the equipment
for 2000 USD only!
Kannan

http://www.hifi-stereo.com/category.iaw?Type=TapeDecks


Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:23:36 -0500
From: "Carlos" <copytec at coqui.net>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Buy the real thing - not paper!

Thanks Kannan:

Unfortunately for us in America due to the strong British Pound value, the
prices are well over $2,000 plus shipping. A 1000 ZXL limited is nearly
$5,000. An RX 505 is over $1,000.

Good quality but prices way too high ...

Carlos






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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Wed Feb 23 15:42:37 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:42:37 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <009501bf7e0c$470ced00$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>

Hi Andras!

Hmm, its a little bit difficult to answer, becase the only (second hand)
seller of Nak´s I know is HiFi Csesany in Graz (http://www.hifiteam.co.at)

They had some month ago a Dragon which costs about 20.000,- ATS (= $ 1450)

>From Germany I haven´t any information - sometimes there are Nak´s at
www.ebay.de or www.ricardo.de.

Hope this is a little help in your searching for Naka´s:-))


Beside´s, which Nakas are you searching for? Maybe I can help you if it is a
modell with I own (I´ve - if I remember correctly . eleven pieces in my
collection:-))

Greetings from Austria

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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Wed Feb 23 15:49:18 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:49:18 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <00a001bf7e0d$3a96cfe0$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>

Hi Kannan!


>I see lot of good Nak Decks come up in ebay German site also some revoxes.
>Perhaps this will help you buy.

Thank you for your information - but it was Andras who is in search of a
Nak!
I by myself own almost eleven of this little creatures:-)) Some of them from
Ebay (.de and .com!!)

I answered in may letter only a question about the american voltage supply
and the ways to run 110V machines with 220V without much afford!

> Surprisingly no UK ( who are Anolog lovers!) and Australian ebay sites do
not contain any NAK
> decks?

There sometimes (very rarely) are some Nakas - but with no reasonable price
(especially the Australian ones)

Greetings
Wolfgang

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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Wed Feb 23 16:16:56 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:16:56 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <001601bf7e01$f6a5eec0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <38B3F9E8.12256EB3@it.cas.cz>

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Dear Wolfgang
> I see lot of good Nak Decks come up in ebay German site also some revoxes.
> Perhaps this will help you buy. Surprisingly no UK ( who are Anolog lovers!)
> and Australian ebay sites do not contain any NAK decks?
> Also I saw an Eumig FL1000 Cassette Deck for sale in German ebay.
> I would like to hear from fellow Naktalk members whether they have any info
> on this. This was advertised along with 1000ZXL as the first one to use
> Microprocessor to use for both mechanism as well as for calibration. This I
> remember to cost more than or equal to 1000 ZXL !
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andras Szollos <szollos at it.cas.cz>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
>
> >"Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> If you buy an transformer (220 <-> 110 in both directions, up to 500
> watts)
> >> from RS-Components, this will work fine. I by myself use such athing with
> my
> >> overseas NAKS without any problem and much cheaper than upgrading with an
> >> original Nak-part (about 60 SFr)
> >>
> >> If you want more information please feel fre to conatct me directly
> >>
> >> Greetings
> >>
> >> Wolfgang
> >>
> >> ( w.smetanig at chello.at )
> >>
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> >As I can see from your e-mail address, you are located in Austria. I am
> living nearby
> >in Prague and additionaly, I have ever had a strong affection to you
> country, so let
> >me ask you a question.
> >
> >I have been intending to buy a good used Nak for a reasonable price, for
> some time.
> >Can you give me a suggestion, where is the nearest place for me to get it
> in  Austria
> >or Germany? There has never been a Nak-seller in Czech republic.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Andras Szollos.
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Thank you, Kannan!  It was I, who asked, not Wolfgang.

I am just looking at ebay german site. It's a great!

By the way, no UK surprises me too. UK is one of the last places to find good new
vinyls, for example. Where are cassette decks there, then?


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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Wed Feb 23 16:22:53 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:22:53 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <009501bf7e0c$470ced00$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>
Message-ID: <38B3FB4D.B8F29821@it.cas.cz>

"Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:

> Hi Andras!
>
> Hmm, its a little bit difficult to answer, becase the only (second hand)
> seller of Nak´s I know is HiFi Csesany in Graz (http://www.hifiteam.co.at)
>
> They had some month ago a Dragon which costs about 20.000,- ATS (= $ 1450)
>
> >From Germany I haven´t any information - sometimes there are Nak´s at
> www.ebay.de or www.ricardo.de.
>
> Hope this is a little help in your searching for Naka´s:-))
>
> Beside´s, which Nakas are you searching for? Maybe I can help you if it is a
> modell with I own (I´ve - if I remember correctly . eleven pieces in my
> collection:-))
>
> Greetings from Austria
>
> Wolfgang
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Hi Wolfgang!

Thank you too. The german ebay site could be a good idea.  There one can, indeed,
find several  Naks on sale, right now.


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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Feb 23 17:33:07 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:33:07 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <38B3F9E8.12256EB3@it.cas.cz>
Message-ID: <000201bf7e1b$aa67a840$ec3d883e@a4s1s2>

Guys,

The best place to find Nakamichi's for sale in the UK is probably at

www.loot.com

They also get a few Revox's (always plenty of reel to reel and B215's come
up) and even some Tandberg's.   It may be worth a scan ... but, of course,
it's not so easy /safe to buy from these private individuals when you live
abroad!

However, be warned - Nakamichi prices in the UK tend to be L for $ the
same - i.e. if you can buy a nice Dragon on the US for $1200, it'd probably
cost you L1200 in the UK ... and that's a lot of bucks especially with
shipping put on top.    At current rates of exchange I doubt if it would be
worthwhile buying from the UK unless you are in Europe .. or the UK, of
course! ... except in very unusual circumstances.

However (start spitting at me guys!), one thing I've notice is that DATs
seem cheaper on UK Loot than they sell for on E-bay.  I guess the medium
never really caught on over here except in pro- and semi-pro circles.  And
now MD's and CD/R are taking off.

Graham

PS

Well, I guess you chaps couldn't afford the Nak  for my birthday present
this year.  May be next instead.  And then, you older guys might also like
to think of leaving me your Nak collections in your Will & Testaments, to
ensure your beloved darlings get a decent home!!!  (Living in Hope ... or is
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From khambawati at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 23 17:50:44 2000
From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:50:44 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
Message-ID: <20000223165044.94208.qmail@hotmail.com>

What is the best compound for cleaning rubber pinch rollers?   Nakamichi 
supplied only alcohol(ethanol or isopropyl of high purity) in a small 
plastic container with their cassette decks. Alcohol is suppposed to to 
harden rubber. What are the other options both commercially made or 
obtainable from a dispensing chemist for cleaning rubber. I have read about 
water on a cotton bud being effective but have never tried it out.

2. Can pieces of chamois leather moistened in alcohol be used for cleaning 
tape heads and metal parts?  I was always told to clean tape heads in the 
direction of the tape movement; is there a reason for this?

3.  Has anyone noticed an audible difference in playback of recordings made 
before and after demagnetisation? If yes, what are these?
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 23 19:24:44 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:24:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
Message-ID: <20000223182444.19955.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com>


--- Debashish Chakravarti <khambawati at hotmail.com> wrote:
> What is the best compound for cleaning rubber pinch
> rollers?   Nakamichi supplied only alcohol(ethanol or
> isopropyl of high purity) in a small plastic container
> with their cassette decks. Alcohol is suppposed to to 
> harden rubber. What are the other options both
> commercially made or obtainable from a dispensing
> chemist for cleaning rubber.

Any chemical that readily desolves oils, such as CTC
or MEK, will do the job. As far as I know, they all
tend to harden rubber.

To clean pinch rollers, I put the machine in Play
mode and bring chamoise moistened with MEK into
contact with the roller. I then immediately dry
with a piece of cotton. I repeat until the cotton
comes out completely clean (two or three times).
This way, the rubber is subjected to contact with
MEK for a very short time.

For a pinch roller that has developed a glazed
surface, I glue a small piece of non-clogging
(the black type), very fine (220 grit or so)
sandpaper onto a tongue depressor and touch it
to the rotating pinch roller, making sure it's
parallel. I then follow with usual cleaning, to
remove all debris.

Finally - if I still suspect it, I just replace
the pinch roller. They ususally last for many
years (over 10, easily) and are pretty low in
cost.


> I have read about water on a cotton bud being
> effective but have never tried it out.

I tend not to use water around metal parts.
 
> 2. Can pieces of chamois leather moistened in
> alcohol be used for cleaning tape heads and
> metal parts?

Yes. I also have a commercial tape head cleaner,
originally intended for computer tape drives,
distributed by the now defunct DEC (Digital Equipment
Corp.). It is very effective. I'm not sure what's in
it or whether it's still available

> I was always told to clean tape heads in the 
> direction of the tape movement; is there a
> reason for this?

Theoretically, the cleaning material can catch
on vertical protrusions. In VCRs, you can actually
destroy a head this way.

> 3.  Has anyone noticed an audible difference in
> playback of recordings made before and after
demagnetisation? If yes, what are these?

The recording head, due to its wide gap, is not
that critical to dirt. The difference in playback
head is enormous and easily audible. A seriously
dirty PB head can be non-functional until cleaned.

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From jacook at ibm.net  Wed Feb 23 21:56:35 2000
From: jacook at ibm.net (Jeff Cook)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:56:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
References: <20000223182444.19955.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <38B44983.1EA02DFB@ibm.net>


While I cannot say for certain what formula DEC used, most of these solutions were
equivalent to
the IBM solution, which was a mixture of isopropanol and trichloroethane.  Very
effective stuff.
For various reasons, known only to them, IBM a few years back replaced their
solvent-based cleaner with a
water-based solution.  The original solvent-based cleaner is no longer available.
For that matter, anything containing trichloroethane seems pretty scarce these days.
I would probably not recommend using the newer water based stuff on a Nak, and for sure
there are still
isopropanol-based cleaners still available, which will do a good job.
MEK seems a bit extreme, though.  Be very careful with this stuff!

Jeff Cook

Ron wrote:

> Yes. I also have a commercial tape head cleaner,
> originally intended for computer tape drives,
> distributed by the now defunct DEC (Digital Equipment
> Corp.). It is very effective. I'm not sure what's in
> it or whether it's still available

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Feb 24 04:50:51 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:20:51 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
Message-ID: <003101bf7e7a$58609de0$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Jeff/ others
Trichloroethane can damage rubber whereas Isopropyl ( Isoproponal)
is definitely gentle on rubber.( We are making metal finishing equpments in
India - Iand I have seen what Trichloroethan can to nonmetals. They are
extremely good to clean metals both ferrous and non ferrous metals due to
this fact and western countries have banned them in metal cleaning due to
Ozone layer problems and they have been moving to substitutes) Since the
rollars are not kept immersed for long time as well isopropyl vapourises
fast , this is a safe bet. Generally cleaning regularly with gentler
solution is a better method than strong formulation once in a while .
This solution ( Iso) is also gentle on plastics like guides - in my CR3 /
BX300 they are!) it is better to use isopropyl.
Same can clean the head effectively. Do not use water based solutions as
water can cause corrosion of metal parts- Unless IBM knows where they have
been used and why? - steel based. And if you see most of the parts are steel
around the heads!
Regarding head demag - recording heads are always self demagnetising because
of bias - AC 105 KHz in Naks. However benefit of demagnetising play heads -
I should ask all those who are using wands - Do you see improvement after
demagnetising - as I use TDK demag cassette and do not notice that much
improvement
( particularly background noise while playing?)
Kannan
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From: Jeff Cook <jacook at ibm.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2000 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks


>
>While I cannot say for certain what formula DEC used, most of these
solutions were
>equivalent to
>the IBM solution, which was a mixture of isopropanol and trichloroethane.
Very
>effective stuff.
>For various reasons, known only to them, IBM a few years back replaced
their
>solvent-based cleaner with a
>water-based solution.  The original solvent-based cleaner is no longer
available.
>For that matter, anything containing trichloroethane seems pretty scarce
these days.
>I would probably not recommend using the newer water based stuff on a Nak,
and for sure
>there are still
>isopropanol-based cleaners still available, which will do a good job.
>MEK seems a bit extreme, though.  Be very careful with this stuff!
>
>Jeff Cook
>
>Ron wrote:
>
>> Yes. I also have a commercial tape head cleaner,
>> originally intended for computer tape drives,
>> distributed by the now defunct DEC (Digital Equipment
>> Corp.). It is very effective. I'm not sure what's in
>> it or whether it's still available
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Feb 24 05:01:08 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:31:08 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <004d01bf7e7b$cf199260$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Andras
Sorry for the mix up But we along with Graham can hope Wofgang Can adopt us
or leave his piece of Legacy in his will- 11 Pieces to us ! Does anybody
else own 8 or more Nak decks in our group?
We can try them also!
Kannan


Guys,

The best place to find Nakamichi's for sale in the UK is probably at

www.loot.com

They also get a few Revox's (always plenty of reel to reel and B215's come
up) and even some Tandberg's.   It may be worth a scan ... but, of course,
it's not so easy /safe to buy from these private individuals when you live
abroad!

However, be warned - Nakamichi prices in the UK tend to be ? for $ the
same - i.e. if you can buy a nice Dragon on the US for $1200, it'd probably
cost you ?1200 in the UK ... and that's a lot of bucks especially with
shipping put on top.    At current rates of exchange I doubt if it would be
worthwhile buying from the UK unless you are in Europe .. or the UK, of
course! ... except in very unusual circumstances.

However (start spitting at me guys!), one thing I've notice is that DATs
seem cheaper on UK Loot than they sell for on E-bay.  I guess the medium
never really caught on over here except in pro- and semi-pro circles.  And
now MD's and CD/R are taking off.

Graham




PS

Well, I guess you chaps couldn't afford the Nak  for my birthday present
this year.  May be next instead.  And then, you older guys might also like
to think of leaving me your Nak collections in your Will & Testaments, to
ensure your beloved darlings get a decent home!!!  (Living in Hope ... or is
that dreaml
and!!!)

-----Original Message-----
From: Andras Szollos <szollos at it.cas.cz>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


>"Kannan. S" wrote:
>
>> Dear Wolfgang
>> I see lot of good Nak Decks come up in ebay German site also some
revoxes.
>> Perhaps this will help you buy. Surprisingly no UK ( who are Anolog
lovers!)
>> and Australian ebay sites do not contain any NAK decks?
>> Also I saw an Eumig FL1000 Cassette Deck for sale in German ebay.
>> I would like to hear from fellow Naktalk members whether they have any
info
>> on this. This was advertised along with 1000ZXL as the first one to use
>> Microprocessor to use for both mechanism as well as for calibration. This
I
>> remember to cost more than or equal to 1000 ZXL !
>> Kannan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andras Szollos <szollos at it.cas.cz>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 2:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
>>
>> >"Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi!
>> >>
>> >> If you buy an transformer (220 <-> 110 in both directions, up to 500
>> watts)
>> >> from RS-Components, this will work fine. I by myself use such athing
with
>> my
>> >> overseas NAKS without any problem and much cheaper than upgrading with
an
>> >> original Nak-part (about 60 SFr)
>> >>
>> >> If you want more information please feel fre to conatct me directly
>> >>
>> >> Greetings
>> >>
>> >> Wolfgang
>> >>
>> >> ( w.smetanig at chello.at )
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >Hi Wolfgang!
>> >
>> >As I can see from your e-mail address, you are located in Austria. I am
>> living nearby
>> >in Prague and additionaly, I have ever had a strong affection to you
>> country, so let
>> >me ask you a question.
>> >
>> >I have been intending to buy a good used Nak for a reasonable price, for
>> some time.
>> >Can you give me a suggestion, where is the nearest place for me to get
it
>> in  Austria
>> >or Germany? There has never been a Nak-seller in Czech republic.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Andras Szollos.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>Thank you, Kannan!  It was I, who asked, not Wolfgang.
>
>I am just looking at ebay german site. It's a great!
>
>By the way, no UK surprises me too. UK is one of the last places to find
good new
>vinyls, for example. Where are cassette decks there, then?
>
>
>An analog lover (Andras).
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From Gregg at Ergosoft.com  Thu Feb 24 05:45:58 2000
From: Gregg at Ergosoft.com (Gregg Guarnera)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:45:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Manual
Message-ID: <38B4B786.41A841BF@Ergosoft.com>

Does anybody have an RX-505 owner's manual that they would be willing to
copy, sell or scan?  I just bought one without the manual and could
really use it.  And does anyone know what the Auto Fade and Tape Reel
switches on this deck do?  Any help would be very appreciated.

-Gregg

P.S. - What a beautiful tape deck.  Nakamichi's are as much art as they
are functional.

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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Thu Feb 24 09:11:18 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:11:18 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <000201bf7e1b$aa67a840$ec3d883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <38B4E7A6.72E1EB7D@it.cas.cz>

Graham Nelson wrote:

>
>
> Guys,
>
> The best place to find Nakamichi's for sale in the UK is probably at
>
> www.loot.com
>
> They also get a few Revox's (always plenty of reel to reel and B215's
> come up) and even some Tandberg's.   It may be worth a scan ... but,
> of course, it's not so easy /safe to buy from these private
> individuals when you live abroad!
>
> However, be warned - Nakamichi prices in the UK tend to be ? for $ the
> same - i.e. if you can buy a nice Dragon on the US for $1200, it'd
> probably cost you ?1200 in the UK ... and that's a lot of bucks
> especially with shipping put on top.    At current rates of exchange I
> doubt if it would be worthwhile buying from the UK unless you are in
> Europe .. or the UK, of course! ... except in very unusual
> circumstances.
>
> However (start spitting at me guys!), one thing I've notice is that
> DATs seem cheaper on UK Loot than they sell for on E-bay.  I guess the
> medium never really caught on over here except in pro- and semi-pro
> circles.  And now MD's and CD/R are taking off.
>
> Graham
>
> PS
>
> Well, I guess you chaps couldn't afford the Nak  for my birthday
> present this year.  May be next instead.  And then, you older guys
> might also like to think of leaving me your Nak collections in your
> Will & Testaments, to ensure your beloved darlings get a decent
> home!!!  (Living in Hope ... or is that dreamland!!!)

Graham,

After a five year-period of experimenting with digital, I decided
definitely to return to the analog! It was really shocking to hear, how
gramophone easily supercedes a five times more expensive CD player!
Analog is still the best. The digital sound, when compared directly to
its analog counterpart, is artificial - it was as if synthesizers were
playing all the music - harsh, dry, especially trebbles were horrrible.
The next drawback is lack of dynamics when playing back symphonic music.

However, it should be said, digital is quite satisfactory, when listenig
popular music. This is true.

As far as concerns DATs, it' also affords harsh sound, when compared to
a cassette. Maybe some of you will not agree, I found vinyl recorded on
a good metal cassette as the best choice for recording music in general.

MDs are even worse, than CDs. I expect, they will disappear soon.

So, guys, don't worry and keep using your beatiful analog devices!

An analog lover (Andras).

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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Thu Feb 24 09:23:11 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:23:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <004d01bf7e7b$cf199260$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <38B4EA6F.F40DD43A@it.cas.cz>

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Dear Andras
> Sorry for the mix up But we along with Graham can hope Wofgang Can adopt us
> or leave his piece of Legacy in his will- 11 Pieces to us ! Does anybody
> else own 8 or more Nak decks in our group?
> We can try them also!
> Kannan
>
> Guys,
>
> The best place to find Nakamichi's for sale in the UK is probably at
>
> www.loot.com
>
> They also get a few Revox's (always plenty of reel to reel and B215's come
> up) and even some Tandberg's.   It may be worth a scan ... but, of course,
> it's not so easy /safe to buy from these private individuals when you live
> abroad!
>
> However, be warned - Nakamichi prices in the UK tend to be ? for $ the
> same - i.e. if you can buy a nice Dragon on the US for $1200, it'd probably
> cost you ?1200 in the UK ... and that's a lot of bucks especially with
> shipping put on top.    At current rates of exchange I doubt if it would be
> worthwhile buying from the UK unless you are in Europe .. or the UK, of
> course! ... except in very unusual circumstances.
>
> However (start spitting at me guys!), one thing I've notice is that DATs
> seem cheaper on UK Loot than they sell for on E-bay.  I guess the medium
> never really caught on over here except in pro- and semi-pro circles.  And
> now MD's and CD/R are taking off.
>
> Graham
>
> PS
>
> Well, I guess you chaps couldn't afford the Nak  for my birthday present
> this year.  May be next instead.  And then, you older guys might also like
> to think of leaving me your Nak collections in your Will & Testaments, to
> ensure your beloved darlings get a decent home!!!  (Living in Hope ... or is
> that dreaml
> and!!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andras Szollos <szollos at it.cas.cz>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
>
> >"Kannan. S" wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Wolfgang
> >> I see lot of good Nak Decks come up in ebay German site also some
> revoxes.
> >> Perhaps this will help you buy. Surprisingly no UK ( who are Anolog
> lovers!)
> >> and Australian ebay sites do not contain any NAK decks?
> >> Also I saw an Eumig FL1000 Cassette Deck for sale in German ebay.
> >> I would like to hear from fellow Naktalk members whether they have any
> info
> >> on this. This was advertised along with 1000ZXL as the first one to use
> >> Microprocessor to use for both mechanism as well as for calibration. This
> I
> >> remember to cost more than or equal to 1000 ZXL !
> >> Kannan
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Andras Szollos <szollos at it.cas.cz>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 2:01 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
> >>
> >> >"Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi!
> >> >>
> >> >> If you buy an transformer (220 <-> 110 in both directions, up to 500
> >> watts)
> >> >> from RS-Components, this will work fine. I by myself use such athing
> with
> >> my
> >> >> overseas NAKS without any problem and much cheaper than upgrading with
> an
> >> >> original Nak-part (about 60 SFr)
> >> >>
> >> >> If you want more information please feel fre to conatct me directly
> >> >>
> >> >> Greetings
> >> >>
> >> >> Wolfgang
> >> >>
> >> >> ( w.smetanig at chello.at )
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >Hi Wolfgang!
> >> >
> >> >As I can see from your e-mail address, you are located in Austria. I am
> >> living nearby
> >> >in Prague and additionaly, I have ever had a strong affection to you
> >> country, so let
> >> >me ask you a question.
> >> >
> >> >I have been intending to buy a good used Nak for a reasonable price, for
> >> some time.
> >> >Can you give me a suggestion, where is the nearest place for me to get
> it
> >> in  Austria
> >> >or Germany? There has never been a Nak-seller in Czech republic.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >
> >> >Andras Szollos.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >Thank you, Kannan!  It was I, who asked, not Wolfgang.
> >
> >I am just looking at ebay german site. It's a great!
> >
> >By the way, no UK surprises me too. UK is one of the last places to find
> good new
> >vinyls, for example. Where are cassette decks there, then?
> >
> >
> >An analog lover (Andras).
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Dear Kannan,

Hahaha! Sounds good! Let,s hope. Wolfgang's  collection should be, indeed, very
impressive.

Regards,

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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Thu Feb 24 09:57:10 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:57:10 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <009501bf7e0c$470ced00$4601010a@P200.telekabel.at>
Message-ID: <38B4F266.669280ED@it.cas.cz>

"Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig" wrote:

> Hi Andras!
>
> Hmm, its a little bit difficult to answer, becase the only (second hand)
> seller of Nak´s I know is HiFi Csesany in Graz (http://www.hifiteam.co.at)
>
> They had some month ago a Dragon which costs about 20.000,- ATS (= $ 1450)
>
> >From Germany I haven´t any information - sometimes there are Nak´s at
> www.ebay.de or www.ricardo.de.
>
> Hope this is a little help in your searching for Naka´s:-))
>
> Beside´s, which Nakas are you searching for? Maybe I can help you if it is a
> modell with I own (I´ve - if I remember correctly . eleven pieces in my
> collection:-))
>
> Greetings from Austria
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Wolfgang,

I am sorry for overlooking the last sentence of your email! I am searching for ZX7 or
ZX9, or 682ZX, or Dragon. But Dragons are quite expensive and having, I expect, some
features, which are useless for me, e.g autoreverse and several other automatically
adjustable functions. I think, it's better to buy a machine, where everything is
adjustable manually.

On the other hand, I am new to this list, and beeing not a Nak-expert, any of your
suggestions will be wellcome! The only thing, I need, is a three head deck.

Can you offer any?

Cheers,

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Thu Feb 24 11:20:37 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:20:37 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Manual
In-Reply-To: <38B4B786.41A841BF@Ergosoft.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000224112037.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Gregg,


On 24-Feb-00 Gregg Guarnera wrote:
> Does anybody have an RX-505 owner's manual that they would be willing
> to
> copy, sell or scan?  I just bought one without the manual and could
> really use it.  And does anyone know what the Auto Fade and Tape Reel
> switches on this deck do?  Any help would be very appreciated.

I just bought a scanner which has a bad light source, *very* uneven. As
soon as I have it replaced I can Scan you the mqanual if you want. But I
thought there was some RX-505 manual somewhere. 

The Auto Fade is for Auto-reverse Rec and play. If you don't switch it on
(press it in) the tape will go to the physical end of the tape (including
the white/transparent part) and then turn the tape. 
If Auto-Fade is on, it will detect the tape end before it's reached by
calculating the tunr ratio's of the two wheels.

The Tape Reel switch is something like "normal" and "large core". Normal
is for all C-60,C-90, etc. Tapes with 15 min each side have larger cores
and would lead to miscalcualtion of the tape end. normal postition (I
think thats not presses in but that's a switch I almost never use...)

Auto Fade got it's name because it will Fade the signal down, turn the
tape and fade in again.

On the right side is a nice switch "auto rec". one "klick" go back on
this side and prepare for record. "Double klick" go forward turn tape and
go to record.

The cue funktion (fast rewind with heads to the tape) is somewhat
confusing. It's going something like: Press pause, then press forward or
rewind at the same time and it will start moving with (muted) sound. The
spead will change if you press the ff or release it again. To stop press
FF and rewind at the same time -- while all the time pressing pause.
Or had you to release pause and not the FF for spead change? I don't use
it very often. 

Program is seeking for 2s pause in the music. just press is forward press
Programm and after that rewind will seek backwards. You can just press
program while rewinding as well.

Hope this helps along :-)

K.-H.



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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Thu Feb 24 11:23:28 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:23:28 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <003101bf7e7a$58609de0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000224112328.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 24-Feb-00 Kannan. S wrote:
> I should ask all those who are using wands - Do you see improvement
> after demagnetising - as I use TDK demag cassette and do not notice
> that much improvement ( particularly background noise while playing?)

I demag very rarely and never heard a difference. And I was listening for
background noise (without Dolby) as well.

K.-H.


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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Thu Feb 24 11:27:45 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:27:45 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <38B44983.1EA02DFB@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000224112745.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 23-Feb-00 Jeff Cook wrote:
> I would probably not recommend using the newer water based stuff on a
> Nak, and for sure there are still
> isopropanol-based cleaners still available, which will do a good job.

Hmmm.... *pure* Isopropanol then? or water soluted one? I heard
recommended 90% and 70% Isopropanol I think. The water in the 70% one
seems to evaporate very fast anyway.

K.-H.

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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Thu Feb 24 14:33:22 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:03:22 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Manual
Message-ID: <001301bf7ecb$bbb7a9a0$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear KH Herrmann
I wish you post the Manual on NAKS.COM FTP server ( Wouter) so that any body
else could download and use the same !
URL ftp://www.naks.com/
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: Gregg Guarnera <Gregg at Ergosoft.com>
Cc: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2000 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX-505 Manual


>Hi Gregg,
>
>
>On 24-Feb-00 Gregg Guarnera wrote:
>> Does anybody have an RX-505 owner's manual that they would be willing
>> to
>> copy, sell or scan?  I just bought one without the manual and could
>> really use it.  And does anyone know what the Auto Fade and Tape Reel
>> switches on this deck do?  Any help would be very appreciated.
>
>I just bought a scanner which has a bad light source, *very* uneven. As
>soon as I have it replaced I can Scan you the mqanual if you want. But I
>thought there was some RX-505 manual somewhere.
>
>The Auto Fade is for Auto-reverse Rec and play. If you don't switch it on
>(press it in) the tape will go to the physical end of the tape (including
>the white/transparent part) and then turn the tape.
>If Auto-Fade is on, it will detect the tape end before it's reached by
>calculating the tunr ratio's of the two wheels.
>
>The Tape Reel switch is something like "normal" and "large core". Normal
>is for all C-60,C-90, etc. Tapes with 15 min each side have larger cores
>and would lead to miscalcualtion of the tape end. normal postition (I
>think thats not presses in but that's a switch I almost never use...)
>
>Auto Fade got it's name because it will Fade the signal down, turn the
>tape and fade in again.
>
>On the right side is a nice switch "auto rec". one "klick" go back on
>this side and prepare for record. "Double klick" go forward turn tape and
>go to record.
>
>The cue funktion (fast rewind with heads to the tape) is somewhat
>confusing. It's going something like: Press pause, then press forward or
>rewind at the same time and it will start moving with (muted) sound. The
>spead will change if you press the ff or release it again. To stop press
>FF and rewind at the same time -- while all the time pressing pause.
>Or had you to release pause and not the FF for spead change? I don't use
>it very often.
>
>Program is seeking for 2s pause in the music. just press is forward press
>Programm and after that rewind will seek backwards. You can just press
>program while rewinding as well.
>
>Hope this helps along :-)
>
>K.-H.
>
>
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Thu Feb 24 15:01:34 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:01:34 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Manual
In-Reply-To: <001301bf7ecb$bbb7a9a0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000224150134.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

If there isn't one yet I'm glad to help with the collection. But I just
called in the shop where I got the scanner and I'm going there for a
replaecement -- which i probably won't get today.
And then I'm a week away from my computer, so don't wait too eagerly.
Next week I'm going to scan it for sure :-)

K.-H.


On 24-Feb-00 Kannan. S wrote:
> Dear KH Herrmann
> I wish you post the Manual on NAKS.COM FTP server ( Wouter) so that any
> body else could download and use the same !
> URL ftp://www.naks.com/
> Kannan


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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Thu Feb 24 16:21:23 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:21:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <38B44983.1EA02DFB@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJIECPCCAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>

I have to second Jeff Cook's comment about being very careful with some of
these chemicals out there.  CTC (carbon tetrachloride)  was mentioned, but
this is also an extremely dangerous monkey.  You don't want to be breathing
in this stuff, as far as I know it damages (destroys) brain cells (which I'm
sure we all prefer keeping), but that isn't the best part...breathing this
stuff in will actually kill you within a few minutes!  So IF you do use it,
(I believe it's banned for consumer sale in many areas) make sure you are in
a WELL VENTILATED AREA, preferably wearing a gas mask.

Since we all know that these chemicals dry out the rubber on our pinch
rollers, there is another option:  I use a product called Rubber Renue, made
by M.G. Chemicals.  It is made to rejuvenate and condition rubber.  It's
excellent for use on rollers, belts, and platens.   All you do is apply a
little with a cloth or a brush on the rubber you want treated, leave it for
a moment, then wipe off the chemical which will also take off the
oxidization buildup that comes from the tape's contact. For rubber that is
hardened, you will want to leave it on longer. This too, you will want to
use in well ventilated area, but it's not like CTC.  I found this stuff at a
TV repair store.  It contains no ozone depleting chemicals.

The active chemicals in this stuff are: Dimethylbenzene and Methyl
Salicylate, for those of us who are chemists out there.

If you are interested in the, there are a couple of numbers on the bottle
I'll give you: Eastern U.S. 1-800-340-0772; or from anywhere: 416-744-0078.
That is a number in Toronto, Canada.  There may be other companies who also
make a similar product.

On a secondary note:  I have a beef with all you guys who reply to messages
on Nak Talk, but leave all the old messages in with you reply.  Obviously
that's necessary sometimes when answering someone's question, but often
there are like four or five e-mails in one.  It's hard to try and figure out
who's saying what.  Am I the only one bothered by all this messiness??
Let's tidy up here so we can easily see what's being said.  We may need to
reset the E-mail options in our e-mail program to only send our answer
instead of sending everything that was said before on this specific chain.

That's my two cents.

Roland Alford
Toronto

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From jlannon at indiana.edu  Thu Feb 24 16:34:35 2000
From: jlannon at indiana.edu (John Patrick Lannon)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:34:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000224103210.5698A-100000@steel4.ucs.indiana.edu>

Hello,

I own a Nak 582 and have never been able to find any sort of manual for
this deck (looking for a service) manual. I'm aware of a RH azimuth
addendum that is helpful (although I have my RH azimuth fixed), but have
never come across a service manual. Does anyone on the list have one or
have access to one. Also, a 581 manual would probably suffice since
they're very similar decks (I'm not sure of the difference, other than the
record monitor feature of the 582 - same transport, I believe). 

Any help will be much appreciated.

Thanks,
John Lannon

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Thu Feb 24 17:19:16 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:19:16 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000224103210.5698A-100000@steel4.ucs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000224171916.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi John,

On 24-Feb-00 John Patrick Lannon wrote:
> never come across a service manual. Does anyone on the list have one or
> have access to one. 

A german electronics journal carries a *huge* list of manuals and data
sheets. I got a very nice and readable copy for my RX-505 from them for
16,-DM (8$) plus shipping.

Their (German) webpage for these service manuals is: 
http://www.elv.de/service/schalt.htm

But mainly there are price ranges for different stuff and the E-mail
address to ask for details which is:

                schaltungsservice at elv.de

They ask you to supply them with thew exakt type for which you want the
manual. If you run in language trouble I can help.

They answered all my questions within two days and were quite helpful.
But: they seem not to accept credit cards. Maybe you can ask them what to
do and hopefully they come up with something. If nothing helps I can
transfer money here via a friend in US, but thats *very* unconvenient for
a lot of separate orders. 

BTW: The manuals are in the original laguage -- in the RX-505 thats
english. They give quite some details how to check and adjust mechanics
and electronics along with the complete explosion diagrams and circuitry.


K.-H.

 

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 17:33:55 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (ronami at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:33:55 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
Message-ID: <24020055.30827@206.173.22.191>



I used to own a 582 (wonderful deck) before
I bought my present CR-7a. Had same problem as
you -- couldn't obtain a service manual for it.
I finally managed to buy a copy of the schematic.
(won't tell how much they charged ...). I
understand 582 service manuals were out of print
as early as the late 80s. Luckily, you don't
really need the manual for routine maintenance
of the transport. This, plus replacement of the
capstan motor and 1 capacitor were the only
things I ever did to it in 18 years. 

I have the schematic scanned on my other computer,
that is down right now. The motherboard is due to
arrive later today and (God and UPS willing)
it should be up and running in a couple of days.
If you want the schematic, let me know and
I'll email it to you. It's in 4 large files --
2 to a page.

Regards,

-- Ron




--- Original Message ---
John Patrick Lannon <jlannon at indiana.edu> Wrote on 
Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:34:35 -0500 (EST)
 ------------------ 
Hello,

I own a Nak 582 and have never been able to find any sort of
manual for
this deck (looking for a service) manual. I'm aware of a RH azimuth
addendum that is helpful (although I have my RH azimuth fixed),
but have
never come across a service manual. Does anyone on the list have
one or
have access to one. Also, a 581 manual would probably suffice
since
they're very similar decks (I'm not sure of the difference, other
than the
record monitor feature of the 582 - same transport, I believe).


Any help will be much appreciated.

Thanks,
John Lannon

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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Thu Feb 24 18:20:21 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:20:21 -0500
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJOEDACCAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>

This is my second sending of this e-mail.  the first, two hours ago, never
seemed to get delivered:

____________________________________________________
I have to second Jeff Cook's comment about being very careful with some of
these chemicals out there.  CTC (carbon tetrachloride)  was mentioned, but
this is also an extremely dangerous monkey.  You don't want to be breathing
in this stuff, as far as I know it damages (destroys) brain cells (which I'm
sure we all prefer keeping), but that isn't the best part...breathing this
stuff in will actually kill you within a few minutes!  So IF you do use it,
(I believe it's banned for consumer sale in many areas) make sure you are in
a WELL VENTILATED AREA, preferably wearing a gas mask.

Since we all know that these chemicals dry out the rubber on our pinch
rollers, there is another option:  I use a product called Rubber Renue, made
by M.G. Chemicals.  It is made to rejuvenate and condition rubber.  It's
excellent for use on rollers, belts, and platens.   All you do is apply a
little with a cloth or a brush on the rubber you want treated, leave it for
a moment, then wipe off the chemical which will also take off the
oxidization buildup that comes from the tape's contact. For rubber that is
hardened, you will want to leave it on longer. This too, you will want to
use in well ventilated area, but it's not like CTC.  I found this stuff at a
TV repair store.  It contains no ozone depleting chemicals.

The active chemicals in this stuff are: Dimethylbenzene and Methyl
Salicylate, for those of us who are chemists out there.

If you are interested in the, there are a couple of numbers on the bottle
I'll give you: Eastern U.S. 1-800-340-0772; or from anywhere: 416-744-0078.
That is a number in Toronto, Canada.  There may be other companies who also
make a similar product.

On a secondary note:  I have a beef with all you guys who reply to messages
on Nak Talk, but leave all the old messages in with you reply.  Obviously
that's necessary sometimes when answering someone's question, but often
there are like four or five e-mails in one.  It's hard to try and figure out
who's saying what.  Am I the only one bothered by all this messiness??
Let's tidy up here so we can easily see what's being said.  We may need to
reset the E-mail options in our e-mail program to only send our answer
instead of sending everything that was said before on this specific chain.

That's my two cents.

Roland Alford
Toronto

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From DJBrown96 at aol.com  Thu Feb 24 20:02:47 2000
From: DJBrown96 at aol.com (DJBrown96 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:02:47 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Computer Use
Message-ID: <79.1b3da71.25e6da57@aol.com>

 Hey Roland,
     Your right about the proper use of our computers. Unfortunately, there 
are a
      number of people in this world like me, who know absolutely nothing 
about
      computers. So, how about a little help. How do you set, or reset, our 
computers
      to only respond to the pertinent message?
                                                                     Thanks, 
Dennis
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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Thu Feb 24 20:42:33 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:42:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Computer Use
In-Reply-To: <79.1b3da71.25e6da57@aol.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJKEDBCCAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>

Dennis,

I'll be glad to help, however I can only tell you how my computer is set up,
using MS Outlook or Outlook Express, but most should have a similar format,
you just may have to look a little harder.

In Outlook Express (5.0) go to "TOOLS" at the upper left hand side of your
main mail screen and choose:
Tools/ Options/Send/ "Include Message In Reply" (Make sure the little box
beside it has no check mark), then click OK.

In Outlook 2000, try:
Tools/Options/Preferences/E-mail Options/When Replying To A Message: choose:
"Do Not Include Original Message", click OK.

Did I mention I picked up a DR-2 3 head in great shape for $208 on e-bay?
Supposed resale value is between $500 - 600!

With you in trying to prevent a little e-mail pollution,
Cheers!
Roland

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 21:05:29 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:05:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <20000224200529.11113.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>


--- Andras Szollos <szollos at it.cas.cz> wrote:

> Graham,
> 
> After a five year-period of experimenting with
> digital, I decided definitely to return to the
> analog! It was really shocking to hear, how
> gramophone easily supercedes a five times more
> expensive CD player!

Andras, I share your respect for analog sources,
but not your disdain for digital ones. I have
about 750 LPs, that I play on a ReVox B791 with
a Shure V-15VMR cartridge and a Creek preamp
(total cost, in the States, about $2000 list).
I also have a few hundred CDs, that I play on
a Denon DCM-560 (cost new, $650 list).
Obviously, my analog playback equipmet is far
more expensive than the digital.

My conclusion is that there are LPs that sound
better than most CDs, but a lot more CDs that
sound better than most LPs. 

> Analog is still the best. The digital sound,
> when compared directly to its analog counterpart,
> is artificial - it was as if synthesizers were
> playing all the music - harsh, dry, especially
> trebbles were horrrible.

This is all typical of first generation CDs, but,
IMHO, is no longer true.

> The next drawback is lack of dynamics when
> playing back symphonic music.

Dynamic range of CDs is at least 20db higher
than analog sources. This is inherent in the
technology and not any specific implementation.
It is easily measurable.

> However, it should be said, digital is quite
> satisfactory, when listenig popular music.
> This is true.

My comments apply to classical and vocal music

> As far as concerns DATs, it' also affords
> harsh sound, when compared to a cassette.

DAT has the same capability, exactly, as CDs.
A good DAT *digital* copy is exactly identical
to the CD from which it was made. I do make
occaisional CD to CD copies and they sound
exactly the same as the original CD.

> Maybe some of you will not agree, I found
> vinyl recorded on a good metal cassette as
> the best choice for recording music in general.

To be honest, I do not have a DAT recorder. I
fully agree with you that cassettes are superior
to MD -- at least, to my ears.

> MDs are even worse, than CDs. I expect, they will
> disappear soon.
> 
> So, guys, don't worry and keep using your beatiful
> analog devices!

On this, I agree with you 100%. I will never give
up my ReVox turntable or Nakamichi cassette deck.

Regards,

-- Ron
 
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 21:20:51 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:20:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
Message-ID: <20000224202051.15808.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com>



--- Roland Alford <ruajw2 at idirect.com> wrote:
> I have to second Jeff Cook's comment about
> being very careful with some of these chemicals
> out there.  CTC (carbon tetrachloride)  was
> mentioned, but this is also an extremely
> dangerous monkey.

I should apologize for advocating the use of
CTC or MEK without the proper disclaimers. Both
chemicals are dangerous unless used correctly.
The room should be well ventilated. The bottle
should be kept capped until ready for use, at
which time it should be opened just long enough
to dip the cleaning stick, then immediately
closed again.

I use the Nakamichi cleaning stick that has a
thin hard felt tip that can be clipped, then
pulled out a bit with each use. It still has 
enough felt left, after several years of use.

I don't use a gas mask or recite prayers, but
I do avoid breathing any fumes. In years of
use (during many years, daily use as a tech),
there were no ill effects.

Use extra care. Better safe than sorry.

-- Ron

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Feb 24 22:24:36 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:24:36 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <20000224202051.15808.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <001301bf7f0d$8d2b70c0$953d883e@a4s1s2>

So, guys ... which of these cleaners are the ones best to sniff???

Like, which one enhances your listening, taking you tripping up to new and
higher plains of musical experience?

Peace to all Nakophiles, man ...

Yeah ....

Hippy Harry

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From mehmet at san.rr.com  Thu Feb 24 22:35:59 2000
From: mehmet at san.rr.com (Mehmet)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:35:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] FS:480 Black
Message-ID: <005201bf7f0f$243a49e0$a29d1e18@san.rr.com>

I am selling my 480, it is in great condition. $100 + shipping
takes it. No box or manual.
Mehmet Guzeldere
mehmet at san.rr.com

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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Thu Feb 24 23:27:50 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:27:50 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
Message-ID: <20.27d0c4f.25e70a66@aol.com>

Graham,
At last you have asked the really relevant question about solvents. I highly 
recommend ethyl ether (in a highly NON-ventilated room)....before you pass 
out your senses become most exquisite!
Don
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From n.van.wijnen at castel.nl  Thu Feb 24 23:38:06 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at castel.nl (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:38:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000224103210.5698A-100000@steel4.ucs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <004501bf7f17$d20ff620$00ecfea9@asus>

Hello Patrick,

At the moment i been busy to scan the 582 service manual. I think it would
take some weeks to end this job (time is a hard to find but at this moment i
scanned halve the manual). The manual will soon be on the nak ftp site

greetings

Norman van Wijnen
----- Original Message -----
From: John Patrick Lannon <jlannon at indiana.edu>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 4:34 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual


> Hello,
>
> I own a Nak 582 and have never been able to find any sort of manual for
> this deck (looking for a service) manual. I'm aware of a RH azimuth
> addendum that is helpful (although I have my RH azimuth fixed), but have
> never come across a service manual. Does anyone on the list have one or
> have access to one. Also, a 581 manual would probably suffice since
> they're very similar decks (I'm not sure of the difference, other than the
> record monitor feature of the 582 - same transport, I believe).
>
> Any help will be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> John Lannon
>
>
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From captain at bestweb.net  Thu Feb 24 18:42:47 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:42:47 +0000
Subject: FW: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
References: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJOEDACCAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>
Message-ID: <38B56D97.62D8@bestweb.net>

Nakfans,
     Several years ago, a repair tech friend of mine gave me some of his
very strong-smelling professional cassette deck cleaning fluid and I
tried it in this old TDK cleaning cassette I had.  I noticed that it
began to attack the plastic in the cassette very badly after only a
couple of uses.  This made me steer away from those "exotic" fluids
permanently.  God knows what harm it could do to various elements in a
Nak transport... Isopropyl seems almost benevlolent by comparison.  I
have NEVER had any problems with it and it does a good job of cleaning
what needs to be cleaned. 

                                Tom
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From jlannon at indiana.edu  Thu Feb 24 23:48:42 2000
From: jlannon at indiana.edu (John Patrick Lannon)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:48:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <20000224202051.15808.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000224174318.28708B-100000@steel4.ucs.indiana.edu>

For those interested in cleaning pinch rollers without killing a pet or
asphyxiating yourself, check out the the safe Rubber Revitalizer available
from www.garage-a-records.com. It removes buildup and restores the
gripping surface on pinch rollers, idler wheels, etc... and runs ~7.50 for
a 1oz bottle.
Here's a link to their accessories page:
http://www.garage-a-records.com/access.html

Also, for cleaning heads, I know some nak users discourage this, but I've
always had luck with the chamois swabs and head cleaning solution package
that radio shack sells. Indeed, I've found their solution to work better
than any other sort of alchohol. The package costs about $5.25 and comes
with 6 chamois tip swabs (won't leave debris or small fibers on heads) and
a 1 oz. bottle of the solution that cleans and evaporates quickly and
efficiently. 

If any other nak users have had problems with the radio head solution, let
me know. Although I've been satisfied, a horror story could persuade me to
change products.

-John Lannon

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Feb 24 23:51:28 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:51:28 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <20.27d0c4f.25e70a66@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000401bf7f19$af880460$7036883e@a4s1s2>

Man ....... WOOOOOOOW !!!!


> Graham,
> At last you have asked the really relevant question about 
> solvents. I highly 
> recommend ethyl ether (in a highly NON-ventilated room)....before 
> you pass 
> out your senses become most exquisite!
> Don
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 02:54:14 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:54:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
Message-ID: <20000225015414.7304.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com>



--- Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> So, guys ... which of these cleaners are the ones
> best to sniff??? Like, which one enhances your
> listening, taking you tripping up to new and
> higher plains of musical experience?


The one that says 'Johny Walker' on the black
label.

-- Ron
 
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Feb 25 04:07:41 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:37:41 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
Message-ID: <002c01bf7f3d$7bcf9ec0$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Norman van Wijnen
Thanks for your effort as I also need 582 service manual as my 582 is slowly
breathing back and I need the same to get it fully up and running. I also
learnt a lot removing the mechanism without the manual and learnt a lot but
manual is absolute necessary to set right the electronics. Hope to see the
same soon at Nak site. I could only upload BX1 service manual to Wouter in
tiff format and he is waiting to convert the same to PDF to post it in the
site.
Regards
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2000 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 Manual


>Hello Patrick,
>
>At the moment i been busy to scan the 582 service manual. I think it would
>take some weeks to end this job (time is a hard to find but at this moment
i
>scanned halve the manual). The manual will soon be on the nak ftp site
>
>greetings
>
>Norman van Wijnen
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John Patrick Lannon <jlannon at indiana.edu>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 4:34 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I own a Nak 582 and have never been able to find any sort of manual for
>> this deck (looking for a service) manual. I'm aware of a RH azimuth
>> addendum that is helpful (although I have my RH azimuth fixed), but have
>> never come across a service manual. Does anyone on the list have one or
>> have access to one. Also, a 581 manual would probably suffice since
>> they're very similar decks (I'm not sure of the difference, other than
the
>> record monitor feature of the 582 - same transport, I believe).
>>
>> Any help will be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John Lannon
>>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Feb 25 04:38:07 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:08:07 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
Message-ID: <005b01bf7f41$bc2052e0$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Ron
If you could send the schematics via email to me also it would be
wonderful - that can help me set right few electonic problems of my 582
right away before the service manual is posted to nak ftp server by Norman
van Wijnen

my email    kannan_s at vsnl.com
or          kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in
Thanks in advance

Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: ronami at yahoo.com <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:00 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 Manual


>
>
>I used to own a 582 (wonderful deck) before
>I bought my present CR-7a. Had same problem as
>you -- couldn't obtain a service manual for it.
>I finally managed to buy a copy of the schematic.
>(won't tell how much they charged ...). I
>understand 582 service manuals were out of print
>as early as the late 80s. Luckily, you don't
>really need the manual for routine maintenance
>of the transport. This, plus replacement of the
>capstan motor and 1 capacitor were the only
>things I ever did to it in 18 years.
>
>I have the schematic scanned on my other computer,
>that is down right now. The motherboard is due to
>arrive later today and (God and UPS willing)
>it should be up and running in a couple of days.
>If you want the schematic, let me know and
>I'll email it to you. It's in 4 large files --
>2 to a page.
>
>Regards,
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>
>
>--- Original Message ---
>John Patrick Lannon <jlannon at indiana.edu> Wrote on
>Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:34:35 -0500 (EST)
> ------------------
>Hello,
>
>I own a Nak 582 and have never been able to find any sort of
>manual for
>this deck (looking for a service) manual. I'm aware of a RH azimuth
>addendum that is helpful (although I have my RH azimuth fixed),
>but have
>never come across a service manual. Does anyone on the list have
>one or
>have access to one. Also, a 581 manual would probably suffice
>since
>they're very similar decks (I'm not sure of the difference, other
>than the
>record monitor feature of the 582 - same transport, I believe).
>
>
>Any help will be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>John Lannon
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Feb 25 05:00:01 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:30:01 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <007a01bf7f44$cb057760$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Andras and Ron
I agree with Ron on this
Definitely Anolog sounds smoother but well digitised Digital source such as
Mobile Fidelity CD and some others like DMP/ Chesky  labels had been
wonderful on my CD player ( mine Denon DCD 1400 - old but is still working
fine)
I had also found recent CDs to be harsh in case they were not properly
Digitised or they do not care while recording the music
Cassette recording of such CDs are also equally bad,
Kannan

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2000 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


>
>--- Andras Szollos <szollos at it.cas.cz> wrote:
>
>> Graham,
>>
>> After a five year-period of experimenting with
>> digital, I decided definitely to return to the
>> analog! It was really shocking to hear, how
>> gramophone easily supercedes a five times more
>> expensive CD player!
>
>Andras, I share your respect for analog sources,
>but not your disdain for digital ones. I have
>about 750 LPs, that I play on a ReVox B791 with
>a Shure V-15VMR cartridge and a Creek preamp
>(total cost, in the States, about $2000 list).
>I also have a few hundred CDs, that I play on
>a Denon DCM-560 (cost new, $650 list).
>Obviously, my analog playback equipmet is far
>more expensive than the digital.
>
>My conclusion is that there are LPs that sound
>better than most CDs, but a lot more CDs that
>sound better than most LPs.
>
>> Analog is still the best. The digital sound,
>> when compared directly to its analog counterpart,
>> is artificial - it was as if synthesizers were
>> playing all the music - harsh, dry, especially
>> trebbles were horrrible.
>
>This is all typical of first generation CDs, but,
>IMHO, is no longer true.
>
>> The next drawback is lack of dynamics when
>> playing back symphonic music.
>
>Dynamic range of CDs is at least 20db higher
>than analog sources. This is inherent in the
>technology and not any specific implementation.
>It is easily measurable.
>
>> However, it should be said, digital is quite
>> satisfactory, when listenig popular music.
>> This is true.
>
>My comments apply to classical and vocal music
>
>> As far as concerns DATs, it' also affords
>> harsh sound, when compared to a cassette.
>
>DAT has the same capability, exactly, as CDs.
>A good DAT *digital* copy is exactly identical
>to the CD from which it was made. I do make
>occaisional CD to CD copies and they sound
>exactly the same as the original CD.
>
>> Maybe some of you will not agree, I found
>> vinyl recorded on a good metal cassette as
>> the best choice for recording music in general.
>
>To be honest, I do not have a DAT recorder. I
>fully agree with you that cassettes are superior
>to MD -- at least, to my ears.
>
>> MDs are even worse, than CDs. I expect, they will
>> disappear soon.
>>
>> So, guys, don't worry and keep using your beatiful
>> analog devices!
>
>On this, I agree with you 100%. I will never give
>up my ReVox turntable or Nakamichi cassette deck.
>
>Regards,
>
>-- Ron
>
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From Gregg at Ergosoft.com  Fri Feb 25 06:48:29 2000
From: Gregg at Ergosoft.com (Gregg Guarnera)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:48:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Manual
References: <XFMail.000224112037.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <38B617AD.29451902@Ergosoft.com>

K.-H.

Thanks  for the info on the RX-505 features.  That helps a lot.  I was able to figure
out a lot of the features myself but a few were not so obvious.  So far using the deck
has been a pure joy.  And I've noticed that a decent sounding album recorded on it just
plain sounds better than any of my CDs.  I've had a BX-150 since it was new in the mid
80's and it always sounded fantastic but the RX-505 just seems like yet another level
of sophistication.  I can only imagine how good a recording made on a ZX-7/9, Dragon,
or CR-7 must sound if it is better than the 505.

I hope you get your scanner problems worked out.  If you put the manual out on the
Nak.com ftp site I will just look for it there.  Thanks again.

-Gregg


Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:

> Hi Gregg,
>
> On 24-Feb-00 Gregg Guarnera wrote:
> > Does anybody have an RX-505 owner's manual that they would be willing
> > to
> > copy, sell or scan?  I just bought one without the manual and could
> > really use it.  And does anyone know what the Auto Fade and Tape Reel
> > switches on this deck do?  Any help would be very appreciated.
>
> I just bought a scanner which has a bad light source, *very* uneven. As
> soon as I have it replaced I can Scan you the mqanual if you want. But I
> thought there was some RX-505 manual somewhere.
>
> The Auto Fade is for Auto-reverse Rec and play. If you don't switch it on
> (press it in) the tape will go to the physical end of the tape (including
> the white/transparent part) and then turn the tape.
> If Auto-Fade is on, it will detect the tape end before it's reached by
> calculating the tunr ratio's of the two wheels.
>
> The Tape Reel switch is something like "normal" and "large core". Normal
> is for all C-60,C-90, etc. Tapes with 15 min each side have larger cores
> and would lead to miscalcualtion of the tape end. normal postition (I
> think thats not presses in but that's a switch I almost never use...)
>
> Auto Fade got it's name because it will Fade the signal down, turn the
> tape and fade in again.
>
> On the right side is a nice switch "auto rec". one "klick" go back on
> this side and prepare for record. "Double klick" go forward turn tape and
> go to record.
>
> The cue funktion (fast rewind with heads to the tape) is somewhat
> confusing. It's going something like: Press pause, then press forward or
> rewind at the same time and it will start moving with (muted) sound. The
> spead will change if you press the ff or release it again. To stop press
> FF and rewind at the same time -- while all the time pressing pause.
> Or had you to release pause and not the FF for spead change? I don't use
> it very often.
>
> Program is seeking for 2s pause in the music. just press is forward press
> Programm and after that rewind will seek backwards. You can just press
> program while rewinding as well.
>
> Hope this helps along :-)
>
> K.-H.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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> Date: 24-Feb-00      Time: 11:10:13
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Fri Feb 25 06:55:36 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:55:36 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Fw: [NEWS] FS: Nakamichi America Corp.: 1000ZXL - Nakamichi 1000ZXL tape recorder / player
Message-ID: <022a01bf7f54$f1487020$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi Nakfans!

Here is the one in case someone is interested.

Mike

From: erickson <erickson at neonramp.com>
FS: Nakamichi America Corp.: 1000ZXL - Nakamichi 1000ZXL tape recorder /
player


> Nakamichi 1000ZXL tape recorder / player
>
> Nakamichi 1000ZXL tape player / recorder.  This is the finest home
> cassett tape player ever made.  I am the original owner.  This machine
> has had very little use and is a beautiful machine in every respect:
> audio performance, visual beauty and a mechanical art form.  A real
> find at $1,500
>
> Price: $1,500.00
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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Fri Feb 25 08:28:59 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:28:59 +0100
Subject: AW: [naktalk] RX-505 Manual
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE779EC59@mchh214e.demchh201e.oen.siemens.de>

Hello Karl-Heinz,

don't be diappointed that you "only" have a RX505. I've read in a german
HiFi mag that a RX505 is capable to make similar recordings when it was
correctly adjusted to the tape's parameters. 
Enjoy your decks

	Klaus

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Gregg Guarnera [SMTP:Gregg at Ergosoft.com]
> Gesendet am:	Freitag, 25. Februar 2000 06:48
> An:	naktalk at naks.com
> Betreff:	Re: [naktalk] RX-505 Manual
> 
> K.-H.
> 
> Thanks  for the info on the RX-505 features.  That helps a lot.  I was
> able to figure
> out a lot of the features myself but a few were not so obvious.  So far
> using the deck
> has been a pure joy.  And I've noticed that a decent sounding album
> recorded on it just
> plain sounds better than any of my CDs.  I've had a BX-150 since it was
> new in the mid
> 80's and it always sounded fantastic but the RX-505 just seems like yet
> another level
> of sophistication.  I can only imagine how good a recording made on a
> ZX-7/9, Dragon,
> or CR-7 must sound if it is better than the 505.
> 
> I hope you get your scanner problems worked out.  If you put the manual
> out on the
> Nak.com ftp site I will just look for it there.  Thanks again.
> 
> -Gregg
> 
> 
> Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gregg,
> >
> > On 24-Feb-00 Gregg Guarnera wrote:
> > > Does anybody have an RX-505 owner's manual that they would be willing
> > > to
> > > copy, sell or scan?  I just bought one without the manual and could
> > > really use it.  And does anyone know what the Auto Fade and Tape Reel
> > > switches on this deck do?  Any help would be very appreciated.
> >
> > I just bought a scanner which has a bad light source, *very* uneven. As
> > soon as I have it replaced I can Scan you the mqanual if you want. But I
> > thought there was some RX-505 manual somewhere.
> >
> > The Auto Fade is for Auto-reverse Rec and play. If you don't switch it
> on
> > (press it in) the tape will go to the physical end of the tape
> (including
> > the white/transparent part) and then turn the tape.
> > If Auto-Fade is on, it will detect the tape end before it's reached by
> > calculating the tunr ratio's of the two wheels.
> >
> > The Tape Reel switch is something like "normal" and "large core". Normal
> > is for all C-60,C-90, etc. Tapes with 15 min each side have larger cores
> > and would lead to miscalcualtion of the tape end. normal postition (I
> > think thats not presses in but that's a switch I almost never use...)
> >
> > Auto Fade got it's name because it will Fade the signal down, turn the
> > tape and fade in again.
> >
> > On the right side is a nice switch "auto rec". one "klick" go back on
> > this side and prepare for record. "Double klick" go forward turn tape
> and
> > go to record.
> >
> > The cue funktion (fast rewind with heads to the tape) is somewhat
> > confusing. It's going something like: Press pause, then press forward or
> > rewind at the same time and it will start moving with (muted) sound. The
> > spead will change if you press the ff or release it again. To stop press
> > FF and rewind at the same time -- while all the time pressing pause.
> > Or had you to release pause and not the FF for spead change? I don't use
> > it very often.
> >
> > Program is seeking for 2s pause in the music. just press is forward
> press
> > Programm and after that rewind will seek backwards. You can just press
> > program while rewinding as well.
> >
> > Hope this helps along :-)
> >
> > K.-H.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> > Date: 24-Feb-00      Time: 11:10:13
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Fri Feb 25 08:35:45 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:35:45 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <20000224200529.11113.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <38B630D1.A98EC784@it.cas.cz>

Ron wrote:

> --- Andras Szollos <szollos at it.cas.cz> wrote:
>
> > Graham,
> >
> > After a five year-period of experimenting with
> > digital, I decided definitely to return to the
> > analog! It was really shocking to hear, how
> > gramophone easily supercedes a five times more
> > expensive CD player!
>
> Andras, I share your respect for analog sources,
> but not your disdain for digital ones. I have
> about 750 LPs, that I play on a ReVox B791 with
> a Shure V-15VMR cartridge and a Creek preamp
> (total cost, in the States, about $2000 list).
> I also have a few hundred CDs, that I play on
> a Denon DCM-560 (cost new, $650 list).
> Obviously, my analog playback equipmet is far
> more expensive than the digital.
>
> My conclusion is that there are LPs that sound
> better than most CDs, but a lot more CDs that
> sound better than most LPs.
>
> > Analog is still the best. The digital sound,
> > when compared directly to its analog counterpart,
> > is artificial - it was as if synthesizers were
> > playing all the music - harsh, dry, especially
> > trebbles were horrrible.
>
> This is all typical of first generation CDs, but,
> IMHO, is no longer true.
>
> > The next drawback is lack of dynamics when
> > playing back symphonic music.
>
> Dynamic range of CDs is at least 20db higher
> than analog sources. This is inherent in the
> technology and not any specific implementation.
> It is easily measurable.
>
> > However, it should be said, digital is quite
> > satisfactory, when listenig popular music.
> > This is true.
>
> My comments apply to classical and vocal music
>
> > As far as concerns DATs, it' also affords
> > harsh sound, when compared to a cassette.
>
> DAT has the same capability, exactly, as CDs.
> A good DAT *digital* copy is exactly identical
> to the CD from which it was made. I do make
> occaisional CD to CD copies and they sound
> exactly the same as the original CD.
>
> > Maybe some of you will not agree, I found
> > vinyl recorded on a good metal cassette as
> > the best choice for recording music in general.
>
> To be honest, I do not have a DAT recorder. I
> fully agree with you that cassettes are superior
> to MD -- at least, to my ears.
>
> > MDs are even worse, than CDs. I expect, they will
> > disappear soon.
> >
> > So, guys, don't worry and keep using your beatiful
> > analog devices!
>
> On this, I agree with you 100%. I will never give
> up my ReVox turntable or Nakamichi cassette deck.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Ron
>
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Ron,

Frankly, all this is a matter of personal taste. I am really strongly biased toward
analog, so my last mail should have begun ' To my ears', or the like. I know several
experts, disdaining the analog completely as an "old crackling garbage" and from their
point of view, they aren't wrong. Simply, this is the way, they hear it. On the other
hand, I am also owning quite a lot of CDs and can enjoy them from time to time.
Besides, most of the new releases appear on digital. Yet, whenever I came to my audio
equipment, I have a spontaneous tendency to turn on either my gramophone or my deck,
leaving digital untouched.

Recently, I purchased a new gramophone from an excellent local company for 3,000 DM.
It's simply awesome. The second step will be a good Nak. Now, I am owning an Onkyo TA
6711 (here approximatelly for 600 $ as brand new). It is a three head three motor
machine with a good performance (I couldn't  hear the difference between a CD and the
record on a metal cassette when comparing directly). However, after visiting the
www.naks.com website, I want definitely to have a Nak.

By the way, you have my apology for not mentioning one remarkable exception among
digitals, sounding really very good, nearly as good as a gramophone: a CD player from
Naim Audio with a number CD6, or so. Naim Adio, congratulations for this piece! The
sound it offered was far the best, I have ever heard, including several times more
expensive devices from Accuphase, Burmester, Wadia, to mention a few. Its local price
is about 1,500 bucks. When hearing it, we realised that digital sound can be
remarkably improved, possibly by a sophisticated software of the DA convertor.
Experts, forgive me my ignorance if I am mistaken! Yet, it does not prevent me to
remain an analog lover, because for my ears,it's still superior to digital.

Analog is beautiful!


Andras.


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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Fri Feb 25 09:32:39 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:32:39 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <007a01bf7f44$cb057760$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <38B63E27.EB801E95@it.cas.cz>

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> Dear Andras and Ron
> I agree with Ron on this
> Definitely Anolog sounds smoother but well digitised Digital source such as
> Mobile Fidelity CD and some others like DMP/ Chesky  labels had been
> wonderful on my CD player ( mine Denon DCD 1400 - old but is still working
> fine)
> I had also found recent CDs to be harsh in case they were not properly
> Digitised or they do not care while recording the music
> Cassette recording of such CDs are also equally bad,
> Kannan
>

Kannan,

Probably, you are right. According to my experiences, well recorded CDs are rather
exceptions on the market.

Only one remark: perhaps it will sound strange, yet I think, a good analog
(cassette)recording of a CD can make the music sound a bit smoother, than that of the
original CD! Some friends of mine agreed too, when asked.

By the way, did you hear that Mobile Fidelity is no longer existing?  It crashed last
year in November.

Andras.

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From hifisapi at gate.net  Fri Feb 25 05:56:36 2000
From: hifisapi at gate.net (J.C. O'Connell)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:56:36 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <38B630D1.A98EC784@it.cas.cz>
Message-ID: <200002250956.EAA169018@shasta.gate.net>

> 
> Ron,
> 
> Frankly, all this is a matter of personal taste. I am really strongly biased toward
> analog, so my last mail should have begun ' To my ears', or the like. I know several
> experts, disdaining the analog completely as an "old crackling garbage" and from their
> point of view, they aren't wrong. Simply, this is the way, they hear it. On the other
> hand, I am also owning quite a lot of CDs and can enjoy them from time to time.
> Besides, most of the new releases appear on digital. Yet, whenever I came to my audio
> equipment, I have a spontaneous tendency to turn on either my gramophone or my deck,
> leaving digital untouched.
> 
> Recently, I purchased a new gramophone from an excellent local company for 3,000 DM.
> It's simply awesome. The second step will be a good Nak. Now, I am owning an Onkyo TA
> 6711 (here approximatelly for 600 $ as brand new). It is a three head three motor
> machine with a good performance (I couldn't  hear the difference between a CD and the
> record on a metal cassette when comparing directly). However, after visiting the
> www.naks.com website, I want definitely to have a Nak.
> 
> By the way, you have my apology for not mentioning one remarkable exception among
> digitals, sounding really very good, nearly as good as a gramophone: a CD player from
> Naim Audio with a number CD6, or so. Naim Adio, congratulations for this piece! The
> sound it offered was far the best, I have ever heard, including several times more
> expensive devices from Accuphase, Burmester, Wadia, to mention a few. Its local price
> is about 1,500 bucks. When hearing it, we realised that digital sound can be
> remarkably improved, possibly by a sophisticated software of the DA convertor.
> Experts, forgive me my ignorance if I am mistaken! Yet, it does not prevent me to
> remain an analog lover, because for my ears,it's still superior to digital.
> 
> Analog is beautiful!
> 
> 
> Andras.
> 
Hello all, my first post here.

I had an interesting unplanned LP/CD comparison the other 
night.  I have a big case of about 60 cassettes I keep in my
car, all made myself and mostly dubbed from my LP
collection.  Sometimes at night I just reach into the box and 
RANDOMLY select a tape and listen to whatever comes
out of the system ( Blaupunkt w/ Dolby B cassette ).  

Anyway, as I listened to PF's "Mother" come out of the speakers,
I assumed it was a dub I made of the Japanese LP which I have been
listening to for a few months in the car.  I was totally immersed in
the music and VERY satified with the sound.  Then at some point I
popped out the cassette and was shocked to discover it was actually a
CD dub of MFSL's gold disc set I had made a few years ago.  My first
thought was " God, the gold CD is actually better than the Japan LP! "
 It had sounded so satifying.  I then quickly dug thru my cassette
box, and pulled out the Japanese LP dub and popped it in.  The CD dub
had sounded so "right" that I was very skeptical that the LP dub was
going so sound as good, let alone better.  Once again I was shocked.
the LP dub was EVEN BETTER! especially the dynamics/clarity of the
cymbal crashes. I could not beleive my ears as it didnt seem like
there was any room for improvement as the CD dub was so satisfying. 
Notable is the fact that the difference between the two could be so
easily heard even on as CASSETTE DUBS played back on a car stereo!

This experience now makes me understand why so many people
are TOTALLY satisfied with CD audio. It's not "BAD".  It doesnt
"SUCK".  It's more like "excellent".  If that is all you have as a
reference ( as most people do ), it may even seem "As good as it
gets".  BUT, LP can still be even another notch above "excellent"!   
I'd call it "incredible ".  I dont think I will ever describe the CD
format as "sucks" ( Although there are plenty of poorly mastered CDs
that do "suck" ) and the LP format as "good".  It is not fair at all
to describe them as CD=BAD, LP=GOOD.  It's much more like
CD=EXCELLENT, LP=INCREDIBLE!.  IMHO.
.......JCO















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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Feb 25 12:50:02 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:50:02 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
In-Reply-To: <200002250956.EAA169018@shasta.gate.net>
Message-ID: <001c01bf7f86$73496bc0$3730883e@a4s1s2>

I tend to agree with JCO but I with the caveat that much depends on a) the
quality of the recording and b) the equipment being used for playback.  As
far as "sucks" go, I too have some CD's that do ... but I also have some
LP's that are at least as bad as the worst CD's in my collection.

But I have also had the chance to compare a top specification Linn LP12 TT
versus an early two-box Wadia bit-stream CD in a Naim system worth several
£k's (with active Isobarik speakers...) ... and I must confess at having
heard some superbly recorded CD's that probably equal the best of the LP's
played on the same system - equal, that is, in terms of stability, tonal
quality and even sound staging.  (And I can vouch that that system is darned
3-dimensional!  I mean, I'm completely deaf in one ear and even I can place
the instruments and singers.  [Yes, it's one of the wonders of the human
brain that it can partially overcome the loss of "stereo" hearing ... if
there are any Doc's out there reading this ... I'm available for tests ...
for a small consideration ... like a Nak ... I never give up..!] )

However, the very best recording that I (actually, my wife) possess is not a
metal cassette, LP or CD ... sorry guys but it's a DAT!  BUT it is a
professionally produced master recording given to her by Nikolai Panov, the
Russian jazzman.  So, there has been no degrading by the process of copying
copies.  Indeed, we also have some other "master" recordings by Panov onto
simple ferrite cassette and ... apart from a trace of tape hiss ... these
babies are more "real" than the excellent CD's we have of the same tunes by
Panov!  Again, I suspect it's because they are "first generation", not
copies.  In other words, what makes these "better" than the CD is not
necessarily the medium which was used to make the copies.  I mean, if we had
a chance to hear the master tapes of some of our most cherished LP's, played
back on a Studer reel-to-reel I'll bet we'd be blown away by how much better
was the master compared with the LP.

By the way, if the jazz fans amongst you get the chance to hear Panov, give
it a whirl - he's very good!  In fact, there is some really wonderful
Russian jazz out there and Panov is one of the most original, always
changing and evolving (which can't be said of  most modern-day jazz players
from the West ...)

Graham

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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Fri Feb 25 13:28:43 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:28:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:The new Analogue/digital debate]
References: <200002250956.EAA169018@shasta.gate.net>
Message-ID: <38B6757B.8199FABE@it.cas.cz>

>
> Hello all, my first post here.
>
> I had an interesting unplanned LP/CD comparison the other
> night.  I have a big case of about 60 cassettes I keep in my
> car, all made myself and mostly dubbed from my LP
> collection.  Sometimes at night I just reach into the box and
> RANDOMLY select a tape and listen to whatever comes
> out of the system ( Blaupunkt w/ Dolby B cassette ).
>
> Anyway, as I listened to PF's "Mother" come out of the speakers,
> I assumed it was a dub I made of the Japanese LP which I have been
> listening to for a few months in the car.  I was totally immersed in
> the music and VERY satified with the sound.  Then at some point I
> popped out the cassette and was shocked to discover it was actually a
> CD dub of MFSL's gold disc set I had made a few years ago.  My first
> thought was " God, the gold CD is actually better than the Japan LP! "
>  It had sounded so satifying.  I then quickly dug thru my cassette
> box, and pulled out the Japanese LP dub and popped it in.  The CD dub
> had sounded so "right" that I was very skeptical that the LP dub was
> going so sound as good, let alone better.  Once again I was shocked.
> the LP dub was EVEN BETTER! especially the dynamics/clarity of the
> cymbal crashes. I could not beleive my ears as it didnt seem like
> there was any room for improvement as the CD dub was so satisfying.
> Notable is the fact that the difference between the two could be so
> easily heard even on as CASSETTE DUBS played back on a car stereo!
>
> This experience now makes me understand why so many people
> are TOTALLY satisfied with CD audio. It's not "BAD".  It doesnt
> "SUCK".  It's more like "excellent".  If that is all you have as a
> reference ( as most people do ), it may even seem "As good as it
> gets".  BUT, LP can still be even another notch above "excellent"!
> I'd call it "incredible ".  I dont think I will ever describe the CD
> format as "sucks" ( Although there are plenty of poorly mastered CDs
> that do "suck" ) and the LP format as "good".  It is not fair at all
> to describe them as CD=BAD, LP=GOOD.  It's much more like
> CD=EXCELLENT, LP=INCREDIBLE!.  IMHO.
> .......JCO

Bravo, JCO!

Andras.

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Fri Feb 25 13:47:55 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:47:55 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <20000224200529.11113.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000225134755.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Ron,


On 24-Feb-00 Ron wrote:
>  I have about 750 LPs, that I play on a ReVox B791

That's the one with the tangential arm isn't it? 
I don't want to start a war on turntables. But since I was once a proud
owner of that Revox Turntable too, I will jump in on that.
Until I brought it to my favourite shop and compared it to a Linn Basic
(thats a cheap piece of wood in comparison to the Revox). Even that was
better sounding, not talking about any of the better Linn turntables. 
I ended up with a used Linn Sondek LP 12 with cheapest Arm and pickup and
am very happy for years now. 
The Revox looks interesting, has a very nice handling. But since the arm
movement is controlled by led light path switches which only react if
the arm is way out of the line it is almost *always* out of the right
angle and you can hear that.

And I can record these music very nicely on my RX-505 (to come back to
the list theme). Only with *very* difficult LP material I can imagine a
difference from LP to Tape. And thats with TDK-SA. There always would be
better tapes... :-)


regards, and feel free to keep the Revox and your opinion. Maybe mine
was a Monday unit. But maybe you would like to compare with something
else ;-)
Heck -- maybe we have the same LP somewhere. I could send you a tape and
if that's better then your Revox table directly.....



K.-H.


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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Fri Feb 25 13:49:11 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:49:11 EST
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <4c.2188cf6.25e7d447@aol.com>

Hi, Guys,

Thought I would add my two cents to the analog-digital debate. 

Digital has no background hiss, no pops or ticks and vastly superior dynamic 
range. For me, those very audible advantages more than compensate for what I 
find to be the virtually imperceptible "harshness" or other flaws some 
apparently hear. 

So much of this is subjective that I think there is no way to assert that one 
medium is better than another. (How DO we account for the observation made 
here that a cassette-recorded CD sounds better than the original from which 
it was made?) It is, like many things in life, a preference borne of long 
habit and experience and having little to do with the "thing in itself."

Perhaps I have been sniffing too much pinch roller solvent or I have tin ears 
but dynamics, clicks and pops I get, "harshness," I don't. When I actually 
hear other differences between media or players (which is rare) I am hard 
pressed to say one sounds "better," all I can say is that they sound 
"different." And when you factor in that you don't have to rewind CD's or 
handle them with surgical gloves like priceless relics (to prevent pops and 
clicks that happen anyway on LP's, seemingly spontaneously despite great 
care!) I think digital has been a great step forward.

Don
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From HIFISAPI at gate.net  Fri Feb 25 07:56:48 2000
From: HIFISAPI at gate.net (HIFISAPI at gate.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:56:48 EST5EDT
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
Message-ID: <200002251257.HAA15882@flathead.gate.net>

> I tend to agree with JCO but I with the caveat that much 
depends on a) the
> quality of the recording and b) the equipment being used 
for playback.  As
> far as "sucks" go, I too have some CD's that do ... but I 
also have some
> LP's that are at least as bad as the worst CD's in my 
collection.
I wasnt trying to say that ALL LP recordings are superior 
to their CD counterparts, that is very often not true.  
What I was trying to convey is that WHEN PUSHED THE VERY
LIMIT of performance, the LP FORMAT can OUTPERFORM the CD
FORMAT.  I collect "audiophile" LPs which were far better
produced than conventional mass marketed LPs were.  The
very finest LPs ever made EXCEED the very finest CDs ever 
made
in overall sound transparency / quality.  CD at its best
aint bad at all, quite excellent, it's just not as SUPERB
as the very finest analog recordings played back on the 
very finest LP pressings, with the finest TT 
rigs.  It may be hard to believe, but it's true........JCO




> 
> But I have also had the chance to compare a top 
specification Linn LP12 TT
> versus an early two-box Wadia bit-stream CD in a Naim 
system worth several
> �k's (with active Isobarik speakers...) ... and I must 
confess at having
> heard some superbly recorded CD's that probably equal the 
best of the LP's
> played on the same system - equal, that is, in terms of 
stability, tonal
> quality and even sound staging.  (And I can vouch that 
that system is darned
> 3-dimensional!  I mean, I'm completely deaf in one ear 
and even I can place
> the instruments and singers.  [Yes, it's one of the 
wonders of the human
> brain that it can partially overcome the loss of "stereo" 
hearing ... if
> there are any Doc's out there reading this ... I'm 
available for tests ...
> for a small consideration ... like a Nak ... I never give 
up..!] )
> 
> However, the very best recording that I (actually, my 
wife) possess is not a
> metal cassette, LP or CD ... sorry guys but it's a DAT!  
BUT it is a
> professionally produced master recording given to her by 
Nikolai Panov, the
> Russian jazzman.  So, there has been no degrading by the 
process of copying
> copies.  Indeed, we also have some other "master" 
recordings by Panov onto
> simple ferrite cassette and ... apart from a trace of 
tape hiss ... these
> babies are more "real" than the excellent CD's we have of 
the same tunes by
> Panov!  Again, I suspect it's because they are "first 
generation", not
> copies.  In other words, what makes these "better" than 
the CD is not
> necessarily the medium which was used to make the copies.  
I mean, if we had
> a chance to hear the master tapes of some of our most 
cherished LP's, played
> back on a Studer reel-to-reel I'll bet we'd be blown away 
by how much better
> was the master compared with the LP.
> 
> By the way, if the jazz fans amongst you get the chance 
to hear Panov, give
> it a whirl - he's very good!  In fact, there is some 
really wonderful
> Russian jazz out there and Panov is one of the most 
original, always
> changing and evolving (which can't be said of  most 
modern-day jazz players
> from the West ...)
> 
> Graham
> 
> 


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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Fri Feb 25 14:03:04 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:03:04 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
In-Reply-To: <001c01bf7f86$73496bc0$3730883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000225140304.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi Graham,

On 25-Feb-00 Graham Nelson wrote:
> By the way, if the jazz fans amongst you get the chance to hear Panov,
> give it a whirl - he's very good!  In fact, there is some really
> wonderful Russian jazz out there and Panov is one of the most
> original, always

This sounds very interesting. Say -- did you hear about naktree where
there is some tape exchange of favorite artists or rare recordings? 
Would you be interested in some other recordings back? I have something
from Prague which i like very much but also a growing collection of high
quality republished records. That's mostly Niels Henning Oersted Pederson
(Bass) with different people.
I certainly would be interested in a sample recording of Panov -- I never
heard about him before.


Karl-Heinz


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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Fri Feb 25 14:15:49 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:15:49 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [naktalk] Computer Use
In-Reply-To: <79.1b3da71.25e6da57@aol.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000225141549.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

On 24-Feb-00 DJBrown96 at aol.com wrote:
> So, how about a little help. How do you set, or reset,
> our computers to only respond to the pertinent message?

that's hidden somewhere in the menues of most mailprograms. But since
there are so many you will have to look yourself.
e.g. I as linux and DEC-Unix user have *no* idea of:
        X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44
you are apparently using. 

But: I think it's useful to keep the bit from the older mail where I'm
answering to. Not the whole message of course. The pile up of the naklist
footer and stuff like that is a little bit  annoying in some longer
threads here on the list.

So if your mailer already includes the old message just pick the the line
you wan't to keep and delete the rest. That's probably two times 
klick-and-dragg plus pressing the delete key.

Or if your mailer has similiarities with mine after all: mark the part
you want to have in the reply mail and hit the reply button. I get just
these lines indented by "> "and the line: "<xxx at yyy.somewhere> wrote:".

Just my 2c to that,

Karl-Heinz


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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Fri Feb 25 14:30:32 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:00:32 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
Message-ID: <003b01bf7f94$8c43bc80$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Graham
I am not surprised to hear very nice observations here without pejudice ( Unlike some British CD bashing enthusiasts) on these medium as I had a chance to hear and record a CD ( DMP ) on to chrome cassette which is with my brother in US now . The original DMP recording was made using custom Cello mixers / preamps etc and transferred to CD master with lot of care. I was astonished to hear the piano - I do not remeber the Artist or album title. 
I could only compare Carole king's Tapestry which I heard on simple LP setup and ordinary Amps and Speakers -in 1974-76 period with the current CD ! not immediate comparison but after 20+ years -Definitely LP was far more dynamic and I clearly see the careless way this CD had been made. But I may not get a chance to hear a system as you would have but  Anolog setup costing many times a good CD sytem should be extremely better! But ordinary soul like us could afford Naks! and Good CD player not exacting LP ! But classical music is a scene which  require a very good LP system to get the maximum dynamics - however CD allow us to hear the full dynamic range without hiss or scratches.
 
Yeah I forgot the main point! I would like to know from you which albums of Nikolai Panov you recommend for a beginner like me?
Kannan

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
    To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
    Date: Friday, February 25, 2000 6:11 PM
    Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
    
    
    I tend to agree with JCO but I with the caveat that much depends on a) the quality of the recording and b) the equipment being used for playback.  As far as "sucks" go, I too have some CD's that do ... but I also have some LP's that are at least as bad as the worst CD's in my collection.   

    But I have also had the chance to compare a top specification Linn LP12 TT versus an early two-box Wadia bit-stream CD in a Naim system worth several £k's (with active Isobarik speakers...) ... and I must confess at having heard some superbly recorded CD's that probably equal the best of the LP's played on the same system - equal, that is, in terms of stability, tonal quality and even sound staging.  (And I can vouch that that system is darned 3-dimensional!  I mean, I'm completely deaf in one ear and even I can place the instruments and singers.  [Yes, it's one of the wonders of the human brain that it can partially overcome the loss of "stereo" hearing ... if there are any Doc's out there reading this ... I'm available for tests ... for a small consideration ... like a Nak ... I never give up..!] )

    However, the very best recording that I (actually, my wife) possess is not a metal cassette, LP or CD ... sorry guys but it's a DAT!  BUT it is a professionally produced master recording given to her by Nikolai Panov, the Russian jazzman.  So, there has been no degrading by the process of copying copies.  Indeed, we also have some other "master" recordings by Panov onto simple ferrite cassette and ... apart from a trace of tape hiss ... these babies are more "real" than the excellent CD's we have of the same tunes by Panov!  Again, I suspect it's because they are "first generation", not copies.  In other words, what makes these "better" than the CD is not necessarily the medium which was used to make the copies.  I mean, if we had a chance to hear the master tapes of some of our most cherished LP's, played back on a Studer reel-to-reel I'll bet we'd be blown away by how much better was the master compared with the LP.

    By the way, if the jazz fans amongst you get the chance to hear Panov, give it a whirl - he's very good!  In fact, there is some really wonderful Russian jazz out there and Panov is one of the most original, always changing and evolving (which can't be said of  most modern-day jazz players from the West ...)

    Graham

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From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil  Fri Feb 25 15:27:31 2000
From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:27:31 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
Message-ID: <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DFB6@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>

One thing that I did learn from the working in the audio
business, price buys you more paranoia than performance.
Do you really think that you can tell the difference
between a $1000 cartridge and one that costs $20?  I can.
Show me the packing the cartridge comes in and I'll tell you.
All of the cartridges we got cost between $11-25 with
duty, shipping, etc included.  Those same cartridges sold
between $100-$1000 to the customer (late 70s).  Customers &
reviewers swore with usual stereophile verbiage, how much 
better the more expensive cartridges were.  Same transducer, 
different housing and packing.  I still have a lot of 
friends in the business, and things haven't changed.
These days they separate you from your money by selling
magic bricks, spikes, exotic cable. 
The quote HIFISAPI "It may be hard to believe, but it's true". 

Cheers,
Raul  




-----Original Message-----
From: HIFISAPI at gate.net [mailto:HIFISAPI at gate.net]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 8:57 AM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate


> I tend to agree with JCO but I with the caveat that much 
depends on a) the
> quality of the recording and b) the equipment being used 
for playback.  As
> far as "sucks" go, I too have some CD's that do ... but I 
also have some
> LP's that are at least as bad as the worst CD's in my 
collection.
I wasnt trying to say that ALL LP recordings are superior 
to their CD counterparts, that is very often not true.  
What I was trying to convey is that WHEN PUSHED THE VERY
LIMIT of performance, the LP FORMAT can OUTPERFORM the CD
FORMAT.  I collect "audiophile" LPs which were far better
produced than conventional mass marketed LPs were.  The
very finest LPs ever made EXCEED the very finest CDs ever 
made
in overall sound transparency / quality.  CD at its best
aint bad at all, quite excellent, it's just not as SUPERB
as the very finest analog recordings played back on the 
very finest LP pressings, with the finest TT 
rigs.  It may be hard to believe, but it's true........JCO




> 
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 16:58:08 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:58:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
Message-ID: <20000225155808.27670.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com>


--- "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> Dear Ron
> If you could send the schematics via email to me
> also it would be wonderful - that can help me set
> right few electonic problems of my 582 right away
> before the service manual is posted to nak ftp
> server by Norman van Wijnen

Kannan,

I believe I did email the schematic to you, when
you requested it some time ago. I will resend in
a few days.

-- Ron
> 
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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Fri Feb 25 17:05:26 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:05:26 EST
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
Message-ID: <72.1c7946a.25e80246@aol.com>

Right-on, Raul....I believe they call that the Emperor's new clothes 
syndrome. LOL
Don
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 17:52:50 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:52:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
Message-ID: <20000225165250.26086.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com>


Analog vs. Digital has been the subject of
endless arguments and will likely continue
to be. In one way or another, all opposing
opinions are correct...

First, our response to sound is highly
subjective. If one person likes the first
row center seat in a concert and someone
else prefers the last row (where character
of the sound is quite different), then their
preferences in recordings' formats will also
differ. To be more specific: someone that
prefers 'forward' sound (manifested by extended
highs, low reverberation time, sharp attack
response, distinct soundstaging etc.) will
likely prefer digital recordings, that tend
emphasize those qualities. Someone else,
that enjoys sitting in the last row in a
concert (subdued highs, reverberant mids,
diffuse staging) may prefer analog sound. This
may even reflect people's choice in the
music they like (classical vs. rock translate
to Analog vs. Digital???????)

Second, a lot depends on the rest of the audio
reproduction chain. A CD played through a tube
amplifier and (what audiophiles call) 'polite'
speakers, can sound LP-like. Played through
an extended response SS amplifier and 'forward'
speakers (another favorite audiophile term), the
CD qualities will stand out dramatically and may
be more objectionable to some. If the same
system also has poor distortion characteristics,
analog sources may minimize the effect, while
digital can accentuate it.

Finally, I'd like to thank the person that came
up with the new subject line. 'Debate' is a
refreshing term. Looking at NGs such as
rec.audio.opinion and or alt.hometteater.misc,
such subjects deteriorate very quickly from
'discussion' to 'argument' to 'name calling' and
'mud slinging'. It's a pleasure to read posts
from people that express their feelings, while
still respecting other's opinions.

Regards,

-- Ron

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Feb 25 18:17:00 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:17:00 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Emperors New Clothes ...
In-Reply-To: <72.1c7946a.25e80246@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801bf7fb4$209a7ee0$aa55883e@a4s1s2>



Don wrote:
>
> Right-on, Raul....I believe they call that the Emperor's new clothes
> syndrome. LOL
> Don

Methinks Don and Raul have more than a point!  Sure, tere is some exotic
gear that really is "something else".  But so much of it is .... Emperor's
clothes.

The literati may like this poem that was actually written as a satirical
response to some modern "nonsense" poets who write down words that sound
nice together rather than anything meaningful.  Anyway, I am supposing it
could also apply to the hi fi magic black box syndrome ....

.... so stick on that favourite tape, recorded by your favourite magic box
and read on ... and substitute "emperor" for "king".

      Kings Klothes

      Garment gowns

      Special silks

      Magnificent

      magic

      materials

      Indelible

      incredible

      invisible

      Konquering King kolours!

      Marvellously majestic

      Famous fur

      faked?

      Naked noble

      Bear skinned bare skin

      Pubic hairs

      Public airs

      Public stares

      Child chides!

      Kapital King klothes

      Cannot

      conservatively

      cover

      Real raw rumps

      Bouncing bellys

      Flapping phallics

      Flopping fat

      Stretched skin

      Spotted spores

      Pretending

      Posing

      Packaged poem

      Usurping your urine



      © Graham Nelson June 1996

Just before anyone gets shirty about having literature on a Nak site ....
THIS POEM WAS RECORDED ON A NAKAMICHI CR7E.  SO THERE!

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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Fri Feb 25 18:50:23 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:50:23 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Emperors New Clothes ...
Message-ID: <22.2711d3e.25e81adf@aol.com>

Graham,
Liked your poem...powerful images..."real raw rumps!"...Miltonic 
majesty?..well maybe not but, perhaps, ...Ferlinghetti, "A Coney Island of 
the Behind"...would love to hear you recite it on a CR7-made tape. Really 
funny, thanks.
Don
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From hofbroch at iconn.net  Fri Feb 25 20:11:26 2000
From: hofbroch at iconn.net (James P. Brochin)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:11:26 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #196
References: <200002251801.TAA14680@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <38B6D3DD.C606E920@iconn.net>

Hi:

I have attached my own modest essay on the analog/digital debate.  Enjoy!

I'd love to have feedback.

Jim Brochin

naktalk-digest wrote:

> naktalk-digest        Friday, February 25 2000        Volume 01 : Number 196
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:27:31 +0100
> From: "Tellez, Raul" <rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
>
> One thing that I did learn from the working in the audio
> business, price buys you more paranoia than performance.
> Do you really think that you can tell the difference
> between a $1000 cartridge and one that costs $20?  I can.
> Show me the packing the cartridge comes in and I'll tell you.
> All of the cartridges we got cost between $11-25 with
> duty, shipping, etc included.  Those same cartridges sold
> between $100-$1000 to the customer (late 70s).  Customers &
> reviewers swore with usual stereophile verbiage, how much
> better the more expensive cartridges were.  Same transducer,
> different housing and packing.  I still have a lot of
> friends in the business, and things haven't changed.
> These days they separate you from your money by selling
> magic bricks, spikes, exotic cable.
> The quote HIFISAPI "It may be hard to believe, but it's true".
>
> Cheers,
> Raul
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: HIFISAPI at gate.net [mailto:HIFISAPI at gate.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 8:57 AM
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
>
> > I tend to agree with JCO but I with the caveat that much
> depends on a) the
> > quality of the recording and b) the equipment being used
> for playback.  As
> > far as "sucks" go, I too have some CD's that do ... but I
> also have some
> > LP's that are at least as bad as the worst CD's in my
> collection.
> I wasnt trying to say that ALL LP recordings are superior
> to their CD counterparts, that is very often not true.
> What I was trying to convey is that WHEN PUSHED THE VERY
> LIMIT of performance, the LP FORMAT can OUTPERFORM the CD
> FORMAT.  I collect "audiophile" LPs which were far better
> produced than conventional mass marketed LPs were.  The
> very finest LPs ever made EXCEED the very finest CDs ever
> made
> in overall sound transparency / quality.  CD at its best
> aint bad at all, quite excellent, it's just not as SUPERB
> as the very finest analog recordings played back on the
> very finest LP pressings, with the finest TT
> rigs.  It may be hard to believe, but it's true........JCO
>
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:58:08 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 Manual
>
> - --- "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> > Dear Ron
> > If you could send the schematics via email to me
> > also it would be wonderful - that can help me set
> > right few electonic problems of my 582 right away
> > before the service manual is posted to nak ftp
> > server by Norman van Wijnen
>
> Kannan,
>
> I believe I did email the schematic to you, when
> you requested it some time ago. I will resend in
> a few days.
>
> - -- Ron
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:05:26 EST
> From: DWEMD2 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
>
> Right-on, Raul....I believe they call that the Emperor's new clothes
> syndrome. LOL
> Don
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:52:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
>
> Analog vs. Digital has been the subject of
> endless arguments and will likely continue
> to be. In one way or another, all opposing
> opinions are correct...
>
> First, our response to sound is highly
> subjective. If one person likes the first
> row center seat in a concert and someone
> else prefers the last row (where character
> of the sound is quite different), then their
> preferences in recordings' formats will also
> differ. To be more specific: someone that
> prefers 'forward' sound (manifested by extended
> highs, low reverberation time, sharp attack
> response, distinct soundstaging etc.) will
> likely prefer digital recordings, that tend
> emphasize those qualities. Someone else,
> that enjoys sitting in the last row in a
> concert (subdued highs, reverberant mids,
> diffuse staging) may prefer analog sound. This
> may even reflect people's choice in the
> music they like (classical vs. rock translate
> to Analog vs. Digital???????)
>
> Second, a lot depends on the rest of the audio
> reproduction chain. A CD played through a tube
> amplifier and (what audiophiles call) 'polite'
> speakers, can sound LP-like. Played through
> an extended response SS amplifier and 'forward'
> speakers (another favorite audiophile term), the
> CD qualities will stand out dramatically and may
> be more objectionable to some. If the same
> system also has poor distortion characteristics,
> analog sources may minimize the effect, while
> digital can accentuate it.
>
> Finally, I'd like to thank the person that came
> up with the new subject line. 'Debate' is a
> refreshing term. Looking at NGs such as
> rec.audio.opinion and or alt.hometteater.misc,
> such subjects deteriorate very quickly from
> 'discussion' to 'argument' to 'name calling' and
> 'mud slinging'. It's a pleasure to read posts
> from people that express their feelings, while
> still respecting other's opinions.
>
> Regards,
>
> - -- Ron
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:17:00 -0000
> From: "Graham Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Subject: [naktalk] Emperors New Clothes ...
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> Don wrote:
> >
> > Right-on, Raul....I believe they call that the Emperor's new clothes
> > syndrome. LOL
> > Don
>
> Methinks Don and Raul have more than a point!  Sure, tere is some exotic
> gear that really is "something else".  But so much of it is .... Emperor's
> clothes.
>
> The literati may like this poem that was actually written as a satirical
> response to some modern "nonsense" poets who write down words that sound
> nice together rather than anything meaningful.  Anyway, I am supposing it
> could also apply to the hi fi magic black box syndrome ....
>
> .... so stick on that favourite tape, recorded by your favourite magic box
> and read on ... and substitute "emperor" for "king".
>
>       Kings Klothes
>
>       Garment gowns
>
>       Special silks
>
>       Magnificent
>
>       magic
>
>       materials
>
>       Indelible
>
>       incredible
>
>       invisible
>
>       Konquering King kolours!
>
>       Marvellously majestic
>
>       Famous fur
>
>       faked?
>
>       Naked noble
>
>       Bear skinned bare skin
>
>       Pubic hairs
>
>       Public airs
>
>       Public stares
>
>       Child chides!
>
>       Kapital King klothes
>
>       Cannot
>
>       conservatively
>
>       cover
>
>       Real raw rumps
>
>       Bouncing bellys
>
>       Flapping phallics
>
>       Flopping fat
>
>       Stretched skin
>
>       Spotted spores
>
>       Pretending
>
>       Posing
>
>       Packaged poem
>
>       Usurping your urine
>
>       © Graham Nelson June 1996
>
> Just before anyone gets shirty about having literature on a Nak site ....
> THIS POEM WAS RECORDED ON A NAKAMICHI CR7E.  SO THERE!
>
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> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:50:23 EST
> From: DWEMD2 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Emperors New Clothes ...
>
> Graham,
> Liked your poem...powerful images..."real raw rumps!"...Miltonic
> majesty?..well maybe not but, perhaps, ...Ferlinghetti, "A Coney Island of
> the Behind"...would love to hear you recite it on a CR7-made tape. Really
> funny, thanks.
> Don
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From hofbroch at iconn.net  Fri Feb 25 21:21:56 2000
From: hofbroch at iconn.net (James P. Brochin)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:21:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #197
References: <200002251918.UAA14904@zebra.naks.com>
Message-ID: <38B6E463.C11CD56A@iconn.net>

Hi again:

Oops; I don't know how to attach a document in this format, apparently.  Sorry if I
clogged up your email. Any suggestions?  I thought I attached my Word document to my
email.

Jim Brochin

naktalk-digest wrote:

> naktalk-digest        Friday, February 25 2000        Volume 01 : Number 197
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:11:26 -0500
> From: "James P. Brochin" <hofbroch at iconn.net>
> Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #196
>
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> Hi:
>
> I have attached my own modest essay on the analog/digital debate.  Enjoy!
>
> I'd love to have feedback.
>
> Jim Brochin
>
> naktalk-digest wrote:
>
> > naktalk-digest        Friday, February 25 2000        Volume 01 : Number 196
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:27:31 +0100
> > From: "Tellez, Raul" <rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil>
> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
> >
> > One thing that I did learn from the working in the audio
> > business, price buys you more paranoia than performance.
> > Do you really think that you can tell the difference
> > between a $1000 cartridge and one that costs $20?  I can.
> > Show me the packing the cartridge comes in and I'll tell you.
> > All of the cartridges we got cost between $11-25 with
> > duty, shipping, etc included.  Those same cartridges sold
> > between $100-$1000 to the customer (late 70s).  Customers &
> > reviewers swore with usual stereophile verbiage, how much
> > better the more expensive cartridges were.  Same transducer,
> > different housing and packing.  I still have a lot of
> > friends in the business, and things haven't changed.
> > These days they separate you from your money by selling
> > magic bricks, spikes, exotic cable.
> > The quote HIFISAPI "It may be hard to believe, but it's true".
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Raul
> >
> > - -----Original Message-----
> > From: HIFISAPI at gate.net [mailto:HIFISAPI at gate.net]
> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 8:57 AM
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
> >
> > > I tend to agree with JCO but I with the caveat that much
> > depends on a) the
> > > quality of the recording and b) the equipment being used
> > for playback.  As
> > > far as "sucks" go, I too have some CD's that do ... but I
> > also have some
> > > LP's that are at least as bad as the worst CD's in my
> > collection.
> > I wasnt trying to say that ALL LP recordings are superior
> > to their CD counterparts, that is very often not true.
> > What I was trying to convey is that WHEN PUSHED THE VERY
> > LIMIT of performance, the LP FORMAT can OUTPERFORM the CD
> > FORMAT.  I collect "audiophile" LPs which were far better
> > produced than conventional mass marketed LPs were.  The
> > very finest LPs ever made EXCEED the very finest CDs ever
> > made
> > in overall sound transparency / quality.  CD at its best
> > aint bad at all, quite excellent, it's just not as SUPERB
> > as the very finest analog recordings played back on the
> > very finest LP pressings, with the finest TT
> > rigs.  It may be hard to believe, but it's true........JCO
> >
> > >
> > >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:58:08 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 Manual
> >
> > - --- "Kannan. S" <kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> > > Dear Ron
> > > If you could send the schematics via email to me
> > > also it would be wonderful - that can help me set
> > > right few electonic problems of my 582 right away
> > > before the service manual is posted to nak ftp
> > > server by Norman van Wijnen
> >
> > Kannan,
> >
> > I believe I did email the schematic to you, when
> > you requested it some time ago. I will resend in
> > a few days.
> >
> > - -- Ron
> > >
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> >
> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:05:26 EST
> > From: DWEMD2 at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
> >
> > Right-on, Raul....I believe they call that the Emperor's new clothes
> > syndrome. LOL
> > Don
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> >
> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:52:50 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
> >
> > Analog vs. Digital has been the subject of
> > endless arguments and will likely continue
> > to be. In one way or another, all opposing
> > opinions are correct...
> >
> > First, our response to sound is highly
> > subjective. If one person likes the first
> > row center seat in a concert and someone
> > else prefers the last row (where character
> > of the sound is quite different), then their
> > preferences in recordings' formats will also
> > differ. To be more specific: someone that
> > prefers 'forward' sound (manifested by extended
> > highs, low reverberation time, sharp attack
> > response, distinct soundstaging etc.) will
> > likely prefer digital recordings, that tend
> > emphasize those qualities. Someone else,
> > that enjoys sitting in the last row in a
> > concert (subdued highs, reverberant mids,
> > diffuse staging) may prefer analog sound. This
> > may even reflect people's choice in the
> > music they like (classical vs. rock translate
> > to Analog vs. Digital???????)
> >
> > Second, a lot depends on the rest of the audio
> > reproduction chain. A CD played through a tube
> > amplifier and (what audiophiles call) 'polite'
> > speakers, can sound LP-like. Played through
> > an extended response SS amplifier and 'forward'
> > speakers (another favorite audiophile term), the
> > CD qualities will stand out dramatically and may
> > be more objectionable to some. If the same
> > system also has poor distortion characteristics,
> > analog sources may minimize the effect, while
> > digital can accentuate it.
> >
> > Finally, I'd like to thank the person that came
> > up with the new subject line. 'Debate' is a
> > refreshing term. Looking at NGs such as
> > rec.audio.opinion and or alt.hometteater.misc,
> > such subjects deteriorate very quickly from
> > 'discussion' to 'argument' to 'name calling' and
> > 'mud slinging'. It's a pleasure to read posts
> > from people that express their feelings, while
> > still respecting other's opinions.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > - -- Ron
> >
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> >
> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:17:00 -0000
> > From: "Graham Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> > Subject: [naktalk] Emperors New Clothes ...
> >
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> > Don wrote:
> > >
> > > Right-on, Raul....I believe they call that the Emperor's new clothes
> > > syndrome. LOL
> > > Don
> >
> > Methinks Don and Raul have more than a point!  Sure, tere is some exotic
> > gear that really is "something else".  But so much of it is .... Emperor's
> > clothes.
> >
> > The literati may like this poem that was actually written as a satirical
> > response to some modern "nonsense" poets who write down words that sound
> > nice together rather than anything meaningful.  Anyway, I am supposing it
> > could also apply to the hi fi magic black box syndrome ....
> >
> > .... so stick on that favourite tape, recorded by your favourite magic box
> > and read on ... and substitute "emperor" for "king".
> >
> >       Kings Klothes
> >
> >       Garment gowns
> >
> >       Special silks
> >
> >       Magnificent
> >
> >       magic
> >
> >       materials
> >
> >       Indelible
> >
> >       incredible
> >
> >       invisible
> >
> >       Konquering King kolours!
> >
> >       Marvellously majestic
> >
> >       Famous fur
> >
> >       faked?
> >
> >       Naked noble
> >
> >       Bear skinned bare skin
> >
> >       Pubic hairs
> >
> >       Public airs
> >
> >       Public stares
> >
> >       Child chides!
> >
> >       Kapital King klothes
> >
> >       Cannot
> >
> >       conservatively
> >
> >       cover
> >
> >       Real raw rumps
> >
> >       Bouncing bellys
> >
> >       Flapping phallics
> >
> >       Flopping fat
> >
> >       Stretched skin
> >
> >       Spotted spores
> >
> >       Pretending
> >
> >       Posing
> >
> >       Packaged poem
> >
> >       Usurping your urine
> >
> >       © Graham Nelson June 1996
> >
> > Just before anyone gets shirty about having literature on a Nak site ....
> > THIS POEM WAS RECORDED ON A NAKAMICHI CR7E.  SO THERE!
> >
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> > <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
> > http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
> > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>
> > <BODY><BR>
> > <P><FONT size=3D2>Don wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Right-on, Raul....I believe =
> > they call=20
> > that the Emperor's new clothes<BR>&gt; syndrome. LOL<BR>&gt; =
> > Don<BR><BR>Methinks=20
> > Don and Raul have more than a point!&nbsp; Sure, tere is some exotic =
> > gear that=20
> > really is "something else".&nbsp; But so much of it is .... Emperor's=20
> > clothes.</FONT></P>
> > <P><FONT size=3D2>The literati may like this poem that was actually =
> > written as a=20
> > satirical response to some modern "nonsense" poets who write down words =
> > that=20
> > sound nice together rather than anything meaningful.&nbsp; Anyway, I am=20
> > supposing it could also apply to the hi fi magic black box syndrome=20
> > ....</FONT></P>
> > <P><FONT size=3D2>.... so stick on that favourite tape, recorded by your =
> > favourite=20
> > magic box and read on ... and substitute "emperor" for =
> > "king".</FONT></P><FONT=20
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> > <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >   <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >     <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kings Klothes</FONT></B></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Garment gowns</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Special silks</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Magnificent </FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>magic </FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>materials</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Indelible</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>incredible</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>invisible</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Konquering King kolours!</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Marvellously majestic</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Famous fur </FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>faked?</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Naked noble</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bear skinned bare skin</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pubic hairs</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Public airs</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Public stares</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Child chides!</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kapital King klothes</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cannot </FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>conservatively </FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cover</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Real raw rumps</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bouncing bellys</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Flapping phallics</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Flopping fat</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stretched skin</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spotted spores</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pretending</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Posing</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Packaged poem</FONT></P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Usurping your urine</FONT></P>
> >       <P></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
> >       <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>=A9 Graham Nelson June=20
> >   1996</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
> > <P><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Just before anyone gets shirty about =
> > having=20
> > literature on a Nak site .... THIS POEM WAS RECORDED ON A NAKAMICHI =
> > CR7E.&nbsp;=20
> > SO THERE!</FONT></P></BODY></HTML>
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> > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:50:23 EST
> > From: DWEMD2 at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Emperors New Clothes ...
> >
> > Graham,
> > Liked your poem...powerful images..."real raw rumps!"...Miltonic
> > majesty?..well maybe not but, perhaps, ...Ferlinghetti, "A Coney Island of
> > the Behind"...would love to hear you recite it on a CR7-made tape. Really
> > funny, thanks.
> > Don
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 25 22:26:18 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:26:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <XFMail.000225134755.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <001701bf7fd6$f4c2cfc0$f32f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hello Karl:

I still have my Linn LP 12 in good shape together with a Ittok Arm and a
Koetsu Black cartridge. (well over 15 years old) and still spinning and
sounding like in the old days.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
Cc: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


> I ended up with a used Linn Sondek LP 12 with cheapest Arm and pickup and
> am very happy for years now.
> The Revox looks interesting, has a very nice handling. But since the arm
> movement is controlled by led light path switches which only react if
> the arm is way out of the line it is almost *always* out of the right
> angle and you can hear that...


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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 25 22:31:01 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:31:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #196
References: <200002251801.TAA14680@zebra.naks.com> <38B6D3DD.C606E920@iconn.net>
Message-ID: <002d01bf7fd7$9d8e2d20$f32f2ac4@coqui.net>

Very nice essay Jim !

Carlos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: James P. Brochin <hofbroch at iconn.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: <naktalk-digest at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 2:11 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #196


> Hi:
> 
> I have attached my own modest essay on the analog/digital debate.  Enjoy!
> 
> I'd love to have feedback.
> 
> Jim Brochin


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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 25 22:34:25 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:34:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <200002250956.EAA169018@shasta.gate.net>
Message-ID: <003301bf7fd8$16d22ec0$f32f2ac4@coqui.net>

Welcome J.C. and I'm one that believes the CD is not bad if properly played
but the LP still have that "something" that make you believe is more nearly
the "Absolute Sound"

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: J.C. O'Connell <hifisapi at gate.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


> >
> Hello all, my first post here.
>
> I had an interesting unplanned LP/CD comparison the other
> night.  I have a big case of about 60 cassettes I keep in my
> car, all made myself and mostly dubbed from my LP
> collection.  Sometimes at night I just reach into the box and
> RANDOMLY select a tape and listen to whatever comes
> out of the system ( Blaupunkt w/ Dolby B cassette ).
>
> Anyway, as I listened to PF's "Mother" come out of the speakers,
> I assumed it was a dub I made of the Japanese LP which I have been
> listening to for a few months in the car.  I was totally immersed in
> the music and VERY satified with the sound.  Then at some point I
> popped out the cassette and was shocked to discover it was actually a
> CD dub of MFSL's gold disc set I had made a few years ago.  My first
> thought was " God, the gold CD is actually better than the Japan LP! "
>  It had sounded so satifying.  I then quickly dug thru my cassette
> box, and pulled out the Japanese LP dub and popped it in.  The CD dub
> had sounded so "right" that I was very skeptical that the LP dub was
> going so sound as good, let alone better.  Once again I was shocked.
> the LP dub was EVEN BETTER! especially the dynamics/clarity of the
> cymbal crashes. I could not beleive my ears as it didnt seem like
> there was any room for improvement as the CD dub was so satisfying.
> Notable is the fact that the difference between the two could be so
> easily heard even on as CASSETTE DUBS played back on a car stereo!
>
> This experience now makes me understand why so many people
> are TOTALLY satisfied with CD audio. It's not "BAD".  It doesnt
> "SUCK".  It's more like "excellent".  If that is all you have as a
> reference ( as most people do ), it may even seem "As good as it
> gets".  BUT, LP can still be even another notch above "excellent"!
> I'd call it "incredible ".  I dont think I will ever describe the CD
> format as "sucks" ( Although there are plenty of poorly mastered CDs
> that do "suck" ) and the LP format as "good".  It is not fair at all
> to describe them as CD=BAD, LP=GOOD.  It's much more like
> CD=EXCELLENT, LP=INCREDIBLE!.  IMHO.
> .......JCO
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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Feb 25 22:47:39 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:47:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <20000224200529.11113.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> <38B630D1.A98EC784@it.cas.cz>
Message-ID: <006501bf7fd9$efebc4e0$f32f2ac4@coqui.net>


> Analog is beautiful!
>
>
> Andras.
>
Yes it is Andras , but Digital is getting near and near. The problem still
in the Digital to Analog conversion. For us, professional mastering
enginners, still prefers 1/2" Analog Masters at 30 ips with or without Dolby
SR than a DAT or CDR master. The analog one always win hands down. I also
prefer to use analog signal processors than digital ones, and I'm speaking
about a digital compressor and digital eq. costing $5,000 a piece from
Daniel Weiss Engineering in Switzerland. I still prefer my Oram eq. with a
Manley Tube compressor. Anyway I can do it both ways according to my
customer preferences.

Carlos

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From danny_k at england.com  Fri Feb 25 22:27:28 2000
From: danny_k at england.com (Dan Kass)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:27:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Hello:)
Message-ID: <EHEAOKOKMHMOCAAA@shared2-mail.whowhere.com>

Hello To All,

I'm new to the list, (as well as to Nak decks) and was hoping someone might have any good or bad input on the BX-2. I know it's not the greatest but, I managed to pick it up for about 90 bucks. Basically i'm wondering about about the problems associated with the failure of the idler...would it be a good idea to install a gear upgrade kit as soon as possible or just wait untill the original fails? Thanks


Take Care,
Lance Parauka




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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Fri Feb 25 23:02:55 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:02:55 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <86256890.0078C888.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

Boy, you guys should listen to Sony's remaster of the Miles Davis Quartet from
the 1960s.  That is CD remastering at its finest, the music actually lives in
the listening room.



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From fidelman at w02.t-net.net.ve  Sat Feb 26 03:06:43 2000
From: fidelman at w02.t-net.net.ve (Isy Fidelman)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:06:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hello:)
References: <EHEAOKOKMHMOCAAA@shared2-mail.whowhere.com>
Message-ID: <38B73533.7C90DD0F@telcel.net.ve>

I can not say anything about the BX-2 but for me every single person who owns a Nak deck deserves my respect.
It is not easy to take the chance and buy a Nak; there are a lot of people who believe that a person who owns a Nak must be rich and that is not the case. Nakamichi made casstte decks that not rich people could afford with more or less the same frequency response and great sound.
Regarding the BX-2 I have a friend who owns one for more that 15 years and a few months ago when I bought an LX-5 he told he would never ever change his.
Regarding installing the gear update kit I think you should talk to Stephen Sank (a member of this list) who really knows about Naks; maybe he will answer you soon.
Regards and congratulations for your Nak!!!!!

Isy Fidelman
fidelman at telcel.net.ve

Proud owner of: 1000ZXL Limited, Dragon, LX-5, CR-7A

Dan Kass wrote:

> Hello To All,
>
> I'm new to the list, (as well as to Nak decks) and was hoping someone might have any good or bad input on the BX-2. I know it's not the greatest but, I managed to pick it up for about 90 bucks. Basically i'm wondering about about the problems associated with the failure of the idler...would it be a good idea to install a gear upgrade kit as soon as possible or just wait untill the original fails? Thanks
>
> Take Care,
> Lance Parauka
>
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From kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in  Sat Feb 26 04:55:16 2000
From: kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:25:16 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Hello:)
Message-ID: <003901bf800d$4bb8ddc0$42d60192@vsnl>


I have a BX1 for about 8 Years as the second owner without gear update and
BX300 ( may be same number of years or more as I got it recently as used)
again with old idler working fine. My suggestion is not to worry about idler
change to gear drive unless you experience the problem ( after idler rubber
hardens and does not drive the take up spool properly) And always you can
change the tire only which I did once  without removing the mechanism out of
the box- As I did not know about all these mods at that time- and it is
still working. Since changing idler requires care and skill - atleast wich
connectors to remove from mother board to take out the mechanism from the
box, - please be warned of damaging some parts if not done properly. - I
have also changed the motor which required similar skills!
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
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To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, February 26, 2000 3:52 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Hello:)


>Hello To All,
>
>I'm new to the list, (as well as to Nak decks) and was hoping someone might
have any good or bad input on the BX-2. I know it's not the greatest but, I
managed to pick it up for about 90 bucks. Basically i'm wondering about
about the problems associated with the failure of the idler...would it be a
good idea to install a gear upgrade kit as soon as possible or just wait
untill the original fails? Thanks
>
>
>Take Care,
>Lance Parauka
>
>
>
>
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From bochar at epix.net  Sat Feb 26 06:06:14 2000
From: bochar at epix.net (bob)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:06:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <4c.2188cf6.25e7d447@aol.com>
Message-ID: <38B75F46.F0557DB3@epix.net>

This post is pretty much a given these days.
The argument reminds me of Bob Carver's enlightening experiment years
ago when he took solid state and controlled
the distortion to sound like tubes...
Even if everyone is listening to his favorite distortion genre, the
passion shown in the debates is refreshing and a
common bond of audiophiles.
  bob
PS: I recently had post virtually praying for an inespensive laser
record player. It only means I am more on the idealistic side of life,
rather than practical. Sigh. 

DWEMD2 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi, Guys,
> 
> Thought I would add my two cents to the analog-digital debate.
> 
> Digital has no background hiss, no pops or ticks and vastly superior dynamic
> range. For me, those very audible advantages more than compensate for what I
> find to be the virtually imperceptible "harshness" or other flaws some
> apparently hear.
> 
> So much of this is subjective that I think there is no way to assert that one
> medium is better than another. (How DO we account for the observation made
> here that a cassette-recorded CD sounds better than the original from which
> it was made?) It is, like many things in life, a preference borne of long
> habit and experience and having little to do with the "thing in itself."
> 
> Perhaps I have been sniffing too much pinch roller solvent or I have tin ears
> but dynamics, clicks and pops I get, "harshness," I don't. When I actually
> hear other differences between media or players (which is rare) I am hard
> pressed to say one sounds "better," all I can say is that they sound
> "different." And when you factor in that you don't have to rewind CD's or
> handle them with surgical gloves like priceless relics (to prevent pops and
> clicks that happen anyway on LP's, seemingly spontaneously despite great
> care!) I think digital has been a great step forward.
> 
> Don
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From bochar at epix.net  Sat Feb 26 06:32:24 2000
From: bochar at epix.net (bob)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:32:24 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
References: <24020055.30827@206.173.22.191>
Message-ID: <38B76568.32C976C5@epix.net>

Comparing sound of the 582 and CR-7A, all other things not being equal,
of course, would you say they are about the same?
Or didn't you have them both at the same time to compare?
Curious.
bob


ronami at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> I used to own a 582 (wonderful deck) before
> I bought my present CR-7a. Had same problem as
> you -- couldn't obtain a service manual for it.
> I finally managed to buy a copy of the schematic.
> (won't tell how much they charged ...). I
> understand 582 service manuals were out of print
> as early as the late 80s. Luckily, you don't
> really need the manual for routine maintenance
> of the transport. This, plus replacement of the
> capstan motor and 1 capacitor were the only
> things I ever did to it in 18 years.
> 
> I have the schematic scanned on my other computer,
> that is down right now. The motherboard is due to
> arrive later today and (God and UPS willing)
> it should be up and running in a couple of days.
> If you want the schematic, let me know and
> I'll email it to you. It's in 4 large files --
> 2 to a page.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- Ron
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> John Patrick Lannon <jlannon at indiana.edu> Wrote on
> Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:34:35 -0500 (EST)
>  ------------------
> Hello,
> 
> I own a Nak 582 and have never been able to find any sort of
> manual for
> this deck (looking for a service) manual. I'm aware of a RH azimuth
> addendum that is helpful (although I have my RH azimuth fixed),
> but have
> never come across a service manual. Does anyone on the list have
> one or
> have access to one. Also, a 581 manual would probably suffice
> since
> they're very similar decks (I'm not sure of the difference, other
> than the
> record monitor feature of the 582 - same transport, I believe).
> 
> Any help will be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> John Lannon
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From bochar at epix.net  Sat Feb 26 06:37:25 2000
From: bochar at epix.net (bob)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:37:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
References: <XFMail.000224112328.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <38B76695.DCAFCB57@epix.net>

It has been my longtime understanding that if you do not play your
cassette deck every day for relatively long periods, that
demagnetisation isn't a real factor. 
  But paranoia...that's another story.
bob

Karl-Heinz Herrmann wrote:
> 
> On 24-Feb-00 Kannan. S wrote:
> > I should ask all those who are using wands - Do you see improvement
> > after demagnetising - as I use TDK demag cassette and do not notice
> > that much improvement ( particularly background noise while playing?)
> 
> I demag very rarely and never heard a difference. And I was listening for
> background noise (without Dolby) as well.
> 
> K.-H.
> 
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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sat Feb 26 06:58:47 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:58:47 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <20000223165044.94208.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300b4dd0fcaa619@[142.58.122.27]>

>What is the best compound for cleaning rubber pinch rollers?

Tough call.
I have been using "Adtec Professional Cleaner". But... only when necessary.
The label states "Removes All Oxide from Heads. Rejuvenates Rubber Pinch
Rollers".
Plus:
"CAUTION Do Not Use on Plastic"
"Use only in well ventilated area"
"Keep Lid tightly closed"
"Leaves no residue"
"Keep out of reach of children"
"Harmful if swallowed"
Unfortunately the ingredients were blacked out (ooh scary).

Maybe Carlos knows of this stuff. Anyway if in doubt use a lint free cloth
to keep down the oxide build up. And don't use cheap tape, keep to
reputable brands. Naks are biased for TDK anyway.

>Nakamichi supplied only alcohol(ethanol or isopropyl of high purity) in a
>small
>plastic container with their cassette decks. Alcohol is supposed to
>harden rubber.

Correct, it dries out the pinch roller, You are better using no fluid.

>What are the other options both commercially made or
>obtainable from a dispensing chemist for cleaning rubber.

Unfortunately I cannot remember the pinch roller rejuvenator we used at a
stuido I used to work (25 years ago). It came in a small bottle, was yellow
in colour and syrup like, and could not be used on tape heads, we used
isopropyl alcohol.

>I have read about water on a cotton bud being effective but have never
>tried it out.

Wrong x 2.

No water anywhere especially on the heads. And cotton swabs (Q-tips) leave
fibrous hairs behind.

>2. Can pieces of chamois leather moistened in alcohol be used for cleaning
>tape heads and metal parts?

Yes good idea. Like those for video heads. You need only clean where the
tape makes contact and oxide builds. BUT that airs of bad (white box or no
name made in China abrasive flakey) tape. Stick to TDK. Also Metal tape is
quite abrasive, Type II is more than satisfactory though Type I prints a
better bottom end. Type III was the best. You got the bottom end of Type I
and the head room and air of Type II (oh well, 'tis history now).

>I was always told to clean tape heads in the
>direction of the tape movement; is there a reason for this?

No. New one to me. The idea is to periodically clean the heads, not let the
oxide build up to the point where it can be seen. You need not apply
pressure. Also the applicator should not be dripping wet, only moistened,
(don't want any liquid dripping into the machine) and applied gently
followed with a dry applicator to wipe off the residue left by the alcohol.
Usually a 70% isopopyl, 90% is not necessary, plus it can melt plastic too.


>3.  Has anyone noticed an audible difference in playback of recordings made
>before and after demagnetization? If yes, what are these?

No distortion. Cleaner sound. The car tape deck gets a lot of use (radio
sucks around here), when I hear the distortion building I zap the machine
with my TDK HD-30. If one lets it go long enough you begin to hear noise
and the high begins to diminish. By that time it's too late, the tape is
losing it's fidelity due to erasure, the noise is permanent.

Recording builds up the magnetism more than playback.

Hope this helps.

Des


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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sat Feb 26 07:54:24 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:54:24 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <38B4E7A6.72E1EB7D@it.cas.cz>
References: <000201bf7e1b$aa67a840$ec3d883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <l03130301b4dd1c689d1f@[142.58.124.30]>


>After a five year-period of experimenting with digital, I decided
>definitely to return to the analog!

Good Ears to you.

>It was really shocking to hear, how gramophone easily super cedes a five
>times more expensive >CD player!

Funny to hear because a friend of mine after upgrading to an Audio Research
CD transport,
then upgrading from a solid state AR DAC (that he had purchased for his
California Audio Labs CD player) to an AR tube (valves in the analogue
stage) DAC (deep breath),
and then purchasing a Reference One pre amp; delighted with every upgrade
(especially because he purchased the units at excellent prices off Ebay);
resurrected his 25 year old Thorens, took it in for a tune up, ditched the
crappy Shure V-15 and had a $300 (CDN) Goldring moving magnet mounted.

His reaction quote "I don't know Des, this whole CD thing, it's, it's a
bill of goods, what a joke. Like are we being hosed or what?"

>Analog is still the best.

Well, you know everything is analogue.

>The digital sound, when compared directly to its analog counterpart, is
>artificial - it was as if synthesizers were playing all the music - harsh,
>dry, especially trebles were horrible.

Ah but it is not digital that is the problem, it's the medium. I have been
told that 20 bit (and it would be) is getting favourable feedback in the
recording industry.

>The next drawback is lack of dynamics when playing back symphonic music.

I would question the reproducer. It's unfortunate that decent CD
reproduction is quite costly and yet can be bettered by a $500 turntable
(belt drive of course).

>However, it should be said, digital is quite satisfactory, when listening
>popular music. This is true.

Yes as background. But the vinyl version still sounds better.

>As far as concerns DATs, it' also affords harsh sound, when compared to
>a cassette.

Yes my analogy when an Engineer friend of mine and I were discussing DATs
some years ago was it like starting with a piece of Ontario cheddar cheese
and ending up with a processed cheese slice.
He disagreed, his reply was "not processed cheese, Cheese Whiz" (a cheese
spread for those of you not familiar with the product).
But once again you are at the mercy of the DA. Think of it, a single rack
Apogee 2 channel AD unit, DA unit and power supply cost around $5500 some
years back, how good are the AD/DA's in a DAT machine that sells for $1500.
or even $3000.? Let alone the crap that was dumped on the consumer market.


>Maybe some of you will not agree, I found vinyl recorded on
>a good metal cassette as the best choice for recording music in general.

For car. Reel to reel betters cassette. But not for convenience, and
Nakamichi machines better all but one or two cassette machines.

>MDs are even worse, than CDs.

Yes, lossy-compression.

>I expect, they will disappear soon.

Don't count on it, look at what is happening now with MP3. also the news
bites you hear on the radio? Well MD's are replacing the portable cassette
because the editing (changing the TOC) can be done in the field with ease.

>So, guys, don't worry and keep using your beautiful analog devices!

Indeed.

>An analog lover (Andras).

It's where it starts and ends anyway.

Des



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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sat Feb 26 08:01:17 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:01:17 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJIECPCCAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>
References: <38B44983.1EA02DFB@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <l03130302b4dd29adbb5f@[142.58.124.30]>

>I have a beef with all you guys who reply to messages
>on Nak Talk, but leave all the old messages in with you reply.  Obviously
>that's necessary sometimes when answering someone's question, but often
>there are like four or five e-mails in one.  It's hard to try and figure out
>who's saying what.  Am I the only one bothered by all this messiness??

No.

>Let's tidy up here so we can easily see what's being said.

Hear, hear !!

>We may need to reset the E-mail options in our e-mail program to only send
>our answer
>instead of sending everything that was said before on this specific chain.
>
>That's my two cents.

Make that 1.4 US. (heh heh)

>Roland Alford
>Toronto

Thanks Roland, Right On !

Des
Vancouver


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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sat Feb 26 09:12:21 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 00:12:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <38B630D1.A98EC784@it.cas.cz>
References: <20000224200529.11113.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <l03130304b4dd2c655f01@[142.58.124.30]>

>Ron wrote:

>> Andras, I share your respect for analog sources,
>> but not your disdain for digital ones. I have
>> about 750 LPs, that I play on a ReVox B791 with
>> a Shure V-15VMR cartridge and a Creek preamp
>> (total cost, in the States, about $2000 list).
>> I also have a few hundred CDs, that I play on
>> a Denon DCM-560 (cost new, $650 list).
>> Obviously, my analog playback equipment is far
>> more expensive than the digital.
>>
>> My conclusion is that there are LPs that sound
>> better than most CDs, but a lot more CDs that
>> sound better than most LPs.

I agree only because there is not the selection available on vinyl as there
is on CD. Also there are just plain bad pressings out there (just as there
are some bad transfers from analogue masters that give digital a bad
reputation) and often times the recording are crap anyway. But with a good
belt turntable you can still retrieve the musicality and emotion of the
performance that is often lost with CD.
>>
>> > Analog is still the best. The digital sound,
>> > when compared directly to its analog counterpart,
>> > is artificial - it was as if synthesizers were
>> > playing all the music - harsh, dry, especially
>> > trebles were horrrible.
>>
>> This is all typical of first generation CDs, but,
>> IMHO, is no longer true.

Depends entirely on what went on the studio and at the transfer process.
You'll find that some of the better sounding (domestic/commercial multi
track productions) CD's where originally recorded on analogue recorders.
Add Dolby SR and digital can't keep up, unless it's 20 or 24 bit.
>>
>> > The next drawback is lack of dynamics when
>> > playing back symphonic music.
>>
>> Dynamic range of CDs is at least 20db higher
>> than analog sources.

Unfortunately a lot of the dynamics digital is capable never leave the
recording studio due to heavy processing. This is inherent in the
>> technology and not any specific implementation.
>> It is easily measurable.

However as I mentioned a master analogue recorder with Dolby SR supercedes
it's digital counterpart.
>>
>> > However, it should be said, digital is quite
>> > satisfactory, when listening popular music.
>> > This is true.
>>
>> My comments apply to classical and vocal music

There are some outstanding jazz recordings out there that make CD shine.
It's the popular recordings that quite often suck, for example Carlos
Santana's latest. Phenomenal music, recording sucks, or at least what got
to CD. I hope it's available on vinyl.
>>
>> > As far as concerns DATs, it' also affords
>> > harsh sound, when compared to a cassette.
>>
>> DAT has the same capability, exactly, as CDs.
>> A good DAT *digital* copy is exactly identical
>> to the CD from which it was made.

I'd hope so after all it is just numbers to numbers. (digi out to digi in)

>>I do make occasional CD to CD copies and they sound
>> exactly the same as the original CD.

Same thing.

>> > Maybe some of you will not agree, I found
>> > vinyl recorded on a good metal cassette as
>> > the best choice for recording music in general.
>>
>> To be honest, I do not have a DAT recorder.

You don't need one, you made the logical choice, a CD-R.

>> I fully agree with you that cassettes are superior
>> to MD -- at least, to my ears.

Your ears do not deceive you.

>> Regards,
>>
>> -- Ron

Cheers
>
>Ron,
>
>Frankly, all this is a matter of personal taste. I am really strongly
>biased toward
>analog, so my last mail should have begun ' To my ears', or the like. I
>know several
>experts, disdaining the analog completely as an "old crackling garbage"
>and from their
>point of view, they aren't wrong.

Odd the only "old crackling garbage" at my home is cellophane wrappers and
styrofoam in the waste bin waiting for a trip to the dump. I don't consider
the trees in my yard as garbage (mind you I'm not a developer) or the chair
I am sitting in as garbage, mind you there is one or two that creaks. Get
my drift, they are wrong and narrow minded fools and are not experts.

>Simply, this is the way, they hear it.

No they don't, they don't listen at all.

>On the other  hand, I am also owning quite a lot of CDs and can enjoy them
>from time to time.
>Besides, most of the new releases appear on digital.

Quite often there is a limited run of vinyl, but if the music stockist
doesn't (and usually doesn't) order it, you won't see it and often it is
not in the catalogue. Ask. There are lots of reissues being released and on
180 gram vinyl. An cheak out swap meets, second hand stores and garage
sales. It is amazing what you can find for 50 cents.

>Yet, whenever I came to my audio equipment, I have a spontaneous tendency
>to turn on either >my gramophone or my deck, leaving digital untouched.
>
>Recently, I purchased a new gramophone from an excellent local company for
>3,000 DM.
>It's simply awesome. The second step will be a good Nak. Now, I am owning
>an Onkyo TA
>6711 (here appropriately for 600 $ as brand new). It is a three head three
>motor
>machine with a good performance (I couldn't  hear the difference between a
>CD and the
>record on a metal cassette when comparing directly). However, after
>visiting the
>www.naks.com website, I want definitely to have a Nak.
>
>By the way, you have my apology for not mentioning one remarkable
>exception among
>digitals, sounding really very good, nearly as good as a gramophone: a CD
>player from
>Naim Audio with a number CD6, or so. Naim Adio, congratulations for this
>piece!

Yes, I heard it too through a Nait III when auditioning a pair of B&W 805's.

>The sound it offered was far the best, I have ever heard, including
>several times more
>expensive devices from Accuphase, Burmester, Wadia, to mention a few. Its
>local price
>is about 1,500 bucks. When hearing it, we realised that digital sound can be
>remarkably improved, possibly by a sophisticated software of the DA convertor.

Precisely I believe it uses a new Burr-Brown chip.

>Experts, forgive me my ignorance if I am mistaken!

Don't bet up on yourself, your it's your ears that count not somebody elses
opinion.

>Yet, it does not prevent me to remain an analog lover, because for my
>ears,it's still superior to >digital.

There ain't no digital if there ain't no analogue. Well there are
synthesizers ...

>Analog is beautiful!
>Andras.

Yes, especially in a thong ...oops I digress ...

Cheers
Des


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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sat Feb 26 11:16:51 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 02:16:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <4c.2188cf6.25e7d447@aol.com>
Message-ID: <l03130305b4dd3d4856df@[142.58.124.30]>

>Hi, Guys,
>
>Thought I would add my two cents to the analog-digital debate.
>
>Digital has no background hiss, no pops or ticks and vastly superior dynamic
>range.

Ah, I have very few records with clicks or pops and often times a pop I
heard during one playing is gone the next time never to return. As for
background hiss, I don't have that problem either, unless it's Bob Dylan's
"Nashville Skyline" album. Mind you I don't play my system so loud as to
get me into the noise floor of my discs and yes at elevated levels some
pressings provide more surface noise than others but that's in between the
tracks and who's listening for that, it's the music that I enjoy.

Admittingly I do not use headphones except when working on location. I do
not playback cassettes in my living room, only in the car and not so loud
as to hear hiss, I couldn't listen to music that loud in an enclosed space.
And when I do it is because the windows are open and on such occasions I
wear ear plugs.

My Nak is used for making copies of records for my daughter so she won't
use my albums. Cassettes for gifts of music that friends pine for that have
not been reissued on CD, and tunes for the car for long trips.

>For me, those very audible advantages more than compensate for what I
>find to be the virtually imperceptible "harshness" or other flaws some
>apparently hear.

They are apparent and very perceptible, particularly with cheap cheesy
domestic CD players but not as bad as the early generations of players. An
easy inexpensive fix is placing a phone book on top of the player.
Smoothens away the harshness.

>So much of this is subjective that I think there is no way to assert that one
>medium is better than another.

Each has it's pros and cons, however I have yet to hear a digital
reproducer as musical and satisying as a decent record album on an average
turntable through mid fi electronics. And man there are some outrageous,
wonderful sounding CD players available today. I just cannot see myself
spending any money on a good CD player, yet. I'll buy a moving coil phono
cartridge first, then a Macintosh G4. And someday a ZX7 or ZX9 in between.
Oh I am lying I did buy a CD player at a garage sale for $50., it's in my
son's system and my daughter has a JVC Mini system with a CD player (of
course) but she uses it now primarily to playback the cassette recordings
she makes of my records from my LP12 onto my Cassette Deck 2. She uses a
second system for her growing record collection, but is starting to copy
them to cassette, from my system...hmmm...

>(How DO we account for the observation made here that a cassette-recorded
>CD sounds better than the original from which it was made?)

It doesn't, copying a CD to a cassette tape changes the sound of the
recording because the cassette tape itself regardless of how fine tuned the
recorder is, simply put, is a process. The limited dynamic range of the
cassette tape acts like a limiter, smoothening (rounding off) the dynamic
peaks and transients of the CD audio. Plus the op amps and circuitry effect
the sound too, just read about the tweakers who upgrade resisters and
capacitors in the audio path and hard wire critical areas too.

Also vinyl is not always better than CD, I have a Bruce Springsteen album
(UK issue) that for some time confused me with it's cold edgy sound, like I
had a direct drive turntable or a mistracking cartridge until I read that
it had been mastered on a DAT. I also have a Ry Cooder album, that for
sometime I couldn't put my finger on what was wrong with the sound compared
other albums of his that I own. Then I read it was a digital recording,
(was done on a 3M digital multi track recorder) it was clean but no bottom.


>It is, like many things in life, a preference borne of long
>habit and experience and having little to do with the "thing in itself."

Sorry, for the most part you are wrong. Experience yes, listening
experience. Experience in which the ear has become trained to differenciate
variants in audio mediums, much like musicians are more attuned instrument
sounds, or sound engineers sensistivity to how room sound changes when the
temperature or humidity changes, how some AD's sound better than others and
so on.

>Perhaps I have been sniffing too much pinch roller solvent or I have tin ears
>but dynamics, clicks and pops I get, "harshness," I don't. When I actually
>hear other differences between media or players (which is rare) I am hard
>pressed to say one sounds "better," all I can say is that they sound
>"different."

You are right and the more you listen you will at sometime begin to
develope a preference for one over another and will find yourself saying,
this one sounds "better" that that one. You see the fact that you decern
differences means you are more perceptive than you give yourself credit for.

>And when you factor in that you don't have to rewind CD's or
>handle them with surgical gloves like priceless relics (to prevent pops and
>clicks that happen anyway on LP's, seemingly spontaneously despite great
>care!)

They don't just happen using my turntable, the only LP's suffering such
malidies are used albums I took a chance with (50 cents who cares) and a
few older albums from the days of record grinder turntables. And you know
they sound better than ever, because of the techological advancements they
exihibit less noise.

Mishandling of CD's provi vi vi vi vi vi vi de de de de des a sonic side
effect of their own.

>I think digital has been a great step forward.
>
>Don

Yes if you leave out MDs and MP3.

Des


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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Sat Feb 26 12:39:39 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 03:39:39 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
In-Reply-To:  <3552BC4041EAD111826100A02475F2F00134DFB6@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <l03130307b4dd627d1501@[142.58.124.30]>

>One thing that I did learn from the working in the audio
>business, price buys you more paranoia than performance.

It's rampant and pepetuated by the hi fi rags.

>Do you really think that you can tell the difference
>between a $1000 cartridge and one that costs $20?  I can.
>Show me the packing the cartridge comes in and I'll tell you.
>All of the cartridges we got cost between $11-25 with
>duty, shipping, etc included.  Those same cartridges sold
>between $100-$1000 to the customer (late 70s).

I know which rip off lines you sold.

>Customers & reviewers swore with usual stereophile verbiage, how much
>better the more expensive cartridges were.

Today it's more ridiculous.

>Same transducer, different housing and packing.

So you what you are saying is there is no difference between a moving
magnet and a moving coil cartridge or the explosive dynamics of a Decca, or
the flat lifeless sound of a Stanton or the over excentuated high end of a
Shure with it's sucked out mid range and fat undefined bass.

Yup, stylus shape has no effect on the sound. A dual magnet design sounds
no different than that of a single magnet. An aluminium body is not
comparitively better than a plastic body.

>I still have a lot of  friends in the business, and things haven't changed.
>These days they separate you from your money by selling
>magic bricks, spikes, exotic cable.
>The quote HIFISAPI "It may be hard to believe, but it's true".
>
>Cheers,
>Raul

Hmmm ... exotic packaging, yeah, that's the ticket.

Des




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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Feb 26 15:04:43 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:04:43 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
References: <l03130300b4dd0fcaa619@[142.58.122.27]>
Message-ID: <001901bf8062$70ae88a0$4b2f2ac4@coqui.net>


----- Original Message -----
From: Desmond Hidson <cjsfeng at sfu.ca>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2000 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks


> Maybe Carlos knows of this stuff. Anyway if in doubt use a lint free cloth
> to keep down the oxide build up. And don't use cheap tape, keep to
> reputable brands.

I simply use alcohol for the heads and distilled water for the rollers on my
industrial duplicators. Everytime a pancake is recorded you have to clean
everything before the other one starts recording. As far as demag: none. The
heads are made of ferrite.

On my personal Naks and others, just alcohol. Demag: once every 2 months or
so. Have never seen a roller cracks in a 15 years old deck.

Carlos



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb 26 14:37:19 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:37:19 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
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Message-ID: <000001bf805e$9b5e6880$2125883e@a4s1s2>



-----Original Message-----
From:	owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of
Desmond Hidson
Sent:	26 February 2000 11:40
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	RE: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate

>
I bow to the experts in knowledge of what cartridges/ styli were bought for
little and sold for mega bucks.  But I still believe that difference in
design, especially in things like body shell construction and materials, can
make a difference to the sound produced.  For example, I have produced some
very significant changes to the sounds from my turntables (PT TOO and GL78)
by sticking small pieces of Sorbothane to the sides of the cartridge bodies,
on the head of the tone arm above the cartridge and along the tone arm
itself.  The effect is to provide tighter, cleaner bass and sweeter treble.
Presumably this has something to do with the Sorbothane absorbing some
minute vibrations produced somewhere in the chain, perhaps from the TT
motors along the tone arm and/or from the contact of the stylus with the
record.  (The Sorbothane also has an effect if it is applied to the
turntable platter - a good-to-my-ears effect on the GL78 and no-so-good on
the PT TOO.  (The PT TOO is belt driven and the GL is a transcription TT.)

And to keep this message on track .... Both TT have been used for recording
to a Nak!!  And the ageing GL re-produces piano much better than the PT TOO
even tho' the latter was at least $1,000 worth when it was new because the
GL has a far superior motor.

Graham

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From hifisapi at gate.net  Sat Feb 26 11:49:19 2000
From: hifisapi at gate.net (J.C. O'Connell)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:49:19 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <4c.2188cf6.25e7d447@aol.com>
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> Reply-to:      naktalk at naks.com
> Hi, Guys,
> Thought I would add my two cents to the analog-digital debate. 
> 
> Digital has no background hiss, no pops or ticks and vastly superior dynamic 
> range.

The "clean" (low THD ) audio dynamic range of CD is LESS than LP!!
For example, when the audio signal is lowered to -48 dB,
the CD format is running at an 8 bit resolution!  This is like
telephone quality ( but extended HF ).  

A big advantage of ANALOG over CD digital is that the
analog signal starts clean enuff and stays clean ( or even gets 
cleaner ) as the signal level lowers.( whereas digital distorts badly 
near its noise floor ) . And with analog you can actually hear ( 
albeit not very well ) signal BELOW the noise floor. That increases
it's useful dynamic range.
 
> For me, those very audible advantages more than compensate for what 
>I 
> find to be the virtually imperceptible "harshness" or other flaws some 
> apparently hear. 
> 
If 16 bit digital was so good, why have all the major
recording studios abandoned it? 20, 22, 24 bit PCM and DSD is now
the studio standard. Up to 192 KHz sampling instead of
a measly 44.1 or 48 KHz.

> So much of this is subjective that I think there is no way to assert that one 
> medium is better than another. (How DO we account for the observation made 
> here that a cassette-recorded CD sounds better than the original from which 
> it was made?)

Who said that?  The only way that could happen is if the
record/playback non-linearties were complementary to
to the CDs inherent non-linearities.  Possible but not very
likely. EQ would probably be the virtue where this might happen.

> It is, like many things in life, a preference borne of long 
> habit and experience and having little to do with the "thing in itself."
>
What about "listening".  If I hear a LP with is very similar
in sound to a CD of same but has noticeably better dynamics,
how is that preference?  That is performance not "habit" preference.
 
> Perhaps I have been sniffing too much pinch roller solvent or I have tin ears 
> but dynamics, clicks and pops I get, "harshness," I don't.

True, poorly pressed and poor condition LPs can often exhibit
way too much ( usually impulse ) noise.  That's why I pursue
mint condition preferably premium pressed LPs.  Solves
that problem and usually nets better quality signal and well as
reducing noise.

> When I actually 
> hear other differences between media or players (which is rare) I am hard 
> pressed to say one sounds "better," all I can say is that they sound 
> "different."

This happens quite often.  One version might have better dynamics
while the other has better EQ.  Who's to say which is better?
Neither is totally accurate. In that case it really is a matter of 
preference.

> And when you factor in that you don't have to rewind CD's or 
> handle them with surgical gloves like priceless relics (to prevent pops and 
> clicks that happen anyway on LP's, seemingly spontaneously despite great 
> care!) I think digital has been a great step forward.
> 
> Don

CD offers a far more convenient format than LP, but playing a 20 
minute LP side , flipping it over and playing the B side isn't exactly 
difficult either.  I'd rather trade a minute of inconvenience for 40 
minutes of enhanced listening if the LP happens to be better 
sounding. Don't forget, one can always make a continuous tape ( R2R 
or HQ Cassette ) if the side flipping is a problem at a VERY slight
loss in quality which nets overall , what I believe can still exceed 
CD quality standards.

To me at least, the biggest difference in the S/N between
LP and CD formats is only noticed BETWEEN songs.  So you might say 
that CD format "sounds better", just as long as there is no music to 
be heard! ..............JCO

 

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 26 17:09:06 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:09:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
Message-ID: <20000226160906.3494.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com>


No, I didn't have them both connected at the
same time. Nonetheless, I would say that
the CR-7a sounds a bit better on playback.
The difference is not earth shaking, but
still, noticeable. It's cleaner; the highs
are more airy and more transparent.

It's interesting to note that the improvement
is heard on both the recordings I made on the
582 and on pre-recorded cassettes. To me, this
means that recording capapility of the two
decks is similar but for PB, the CR-7a is
better.

That said, I still feel the 582 is a superb
machine that sounds not quite but almost as
good as the CR-7a -- especially considering
its far lower cost.

BTW, I have sold many pieces of equipment. The
582 buyer was the only one, ever, that felt
compelled to write me to describe his elation
with his purchase. Don't know if it was the
person or the product...

-- Ron



--- bob <bochar at epix.net> wrote:
> Comparing sound of the 582 and CR-7A, all other things
> not being equal,
> of course, would you say they are about the same?
> Or didn't you have them both at the same time to compare?
> Curious.
> bob
> 
> 
> ronami at yahoo.com wrote:
> > 
> > I used to own a 582 (wonderful deck) before
> > I bought my present CR-7a. Had same problem as
> > you -- couldn't obtain a service manual for it.
> > I finally managed to buy a copy of the schematic.
> > (won't tell how much they charged ...). I
> > understand 582 service manuals were out of print
> > as early as the late 80s. Luckily, you don't
> > really need the manual for routine maintenance
> > of the transport. This, plus replacement of the
> > capstan motor and 1 capacitor were the only
> > things I ever did to it in 18 years.
> > 
> > I have the schematic scanned on my other computer,
> > that is down right now. The motherboard is due to
> > arrive later today and (God and UPS willing)
> > it should be up and running in a couple of days.
> > If you want the schematic, let me know and
> > I'll email it to you. It's in 4 large files --
> > 2 to a page.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > -- Ron
> > 
> > --- Original Message ---
> > John Patrick Lannon <jlannon at indiana.edu> Wrote on
> > Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:34:35 -0500 (EST)
> >  ------------------
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I own a Nak 582 and have never been able to find any
> sort of
> > manual for
> > this deck (looking for a service) manual. I'm aware of
> a RH azimuth
> > addendum that is helpful (although I have my RH azimuth
> fixed),
> > but have
> > never come across a service manual. Does anyone on the
> list have
> > one or
> > have access to one. Also, a 581 manual would probably
> suffice
> > since
> > they're very similar decks (I'm not sure of the
> difference, other
> > than the
> > record monitor feature of the 582 - same transport, I
> believe).
> > 
> > Any help will be much appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > John Lannon
> > 
> >
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 26 17:25:33 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:25:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
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--- Desmond Hidson <cjsfeng at sfu.ca> wrote:
>[....]

I agree with everything you posted, but beg
to differ with:

> Recording builds up the magnetism more
> than playback.

I believe the recording bias tends to
demagnetize the record (or record/PB) head.
Playback (especially of non-symmetrical
waveforms) tends to magnetize the PB head.

Regards,

-- Ron
 
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sat Feb 26 17:37:00 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:37:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <86256890.0078C888.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
Message-ID: <000e01bf8077$b4c5f900$b2496acf@jmtooley>

Does that include the 4 Disc set of 'Bitches Brew', I wonder?

----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


> Boy, you guys should listen to Sony's remaster of the Miles Davis Quartet
from
> the 1960s.  That is CD remastering at its finest, the music actually lives
in
> the listening room.
>
>
>
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 26 18:03:09 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:03:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
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--- Desmond Hidson <cjsfeng at sfu.ca> wrote:
>[........]
> ...Springsteen album [...] that for some
> time confused me with it's cold edgy sound,
> like I had a direct drive turntable or a
> mistracking cartridge ....

Based on your recent posts, you seem to
vehemently dislike direct drive turntables, but
to love belt drives. Here, you are comparing
DD (direct drive) to a mistracking cartridge...

Seems to me the TT drive system has nothing
to do with sound quality. As long as it meets
two requirements (rotate the TT at the correct,
constant, speed and genenrate no vibrations or
noise while doing so), it is immaterial.

As far as meeting those requirements, DD
is easily superiour to belt drive. While
I realize that The Purists view DD with
disdain (it's not esoteric enough, it's too
'high-tech') I have yet to hear a reasonable
(Engineering wise) reason why. Would you
enlighten us?

-- Ron
 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Feb 26 18:48:53 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:48:53 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <20000226170309.7337.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <000301bf8081$bf51aa40$2125883e@a4s1s2>

Ron said:

Based on your recent posts, you seem to
vehemently dislike direct drive turntables, but
to love belt drives. Here, you are comparing
DD (direct drive) to a mistracking cartridge...

Seems to me the TT drive system has nothing
to do with sound quality. As long as it meets
two requirements (rotate the TT at the correct,
constant, speed and genenrate no vibrations or
noise while doing so), it is immaterial.

As far as meeting those requirements, DD
is easily superiour to belt drive. While
I realize that The Purists view DD with
disdain (it's not esoteric enough, it's too
'high-tech') I have yet to hear a reasonable
(Engineering wise) reason why. Would you
enlighten us?

-- Ron
Sorry to drift off Nak's but I felt the urge to add to the above ...

I own a belt drive TT, a Pink Triangle PT TOO, which is said to be no slouch
and a rival for the Linn LP 12.  I also own a quartz auto Sony direct drive
and that lives in a box in the roof because it's no match for the better
made PT TOO.  But the shining glory is a transcription drive 30+ year old
Goldring Lenco.  Both the PT and GL are slightly modified and both are fed
almost pure sine wave clean power supplies.  But the transcription TT is the
far more stable because a) the PT motor does not, cannot, run at a constant
speed because of how it is design.  It almost runs at the right speed all
the time but not quite.  You don't notice it until you play piano music on
the transcription TT, when you eventually hear the difference between them.
That's because the GL has a BIG motor of a design than can run at a constant
speed.  Also, belts slip on the PT TOO when they get a bit old, adding to
the traces of instability of the motor.  These differences can be seen by
using the old GL's strobe disc.  Having said that ... the direct drive Sony
that's living in a box can match the GL for stability and its in-built
strobe is proof enough of that.

However, the Sony does rumble more that the PT.  So DID the GL, but only
slightly, and now not at all since the platter underneath is covered with
Sorbothane.  The Sony has not the same benefit because ... stable as is the
motor, I don't think it would stand the extra weight of having slabs of
Sorbo' plastered underneath!   It could also do with a decent tone phono
lead and ... I dunno ... it feels and sounds so lightweight compared with
the others, even with the same cartridge fitted ... maybe this is because it
is physically lighter, has less mass to absorb those nasty vibrations ...
Whatever, I don't think it has anything to do with it being direct drive.

If this is too "non-Nak" I'm happy to discuss "off-list".

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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Sat Feb 26 19:18:12 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:18:12 EST
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <99.1ba0bdd.25e972e4@aol.com>

Hi, J.C.,
You raised some interesting points in your response to my note. I do find it 
hard to understand that you find it meaningful that one can hear signal 
beneath the noise floor of an analog LP! I did not even think it possible to 
hear beneath the noise floor...I thought that the noise floor by definition 
would be louder than any signal beneath it but, hey, what do I know. Anyway, 
if it is is possible to hear, does it contribute to the real quality of the 
experience? And to fault a CD because a signal at -48 dB(!!) has some 
distortion seems kinda picayune. Anyway, we all know there is a difference 
between what can be measured and what can be heard. Which brings me to your 
point about the move from the 16 bit to higher standards and sampling 
frequencies. 16 bit may be quite "good enough" from the standpoint of our 
nervous systems and hearing. But, perhaps, who knows, 20 bit may be 
better...or at least carry more information (not that, by any means, all of 
it is necessarily physiologically relevant to our perception of music.) (Do I 
really need an 850 MHz computer chip when I have an 800?) Be that as it may, 
technology marches on....were there any complaints when records went from 
78's to LP's? Was that an indictment of the medium? And, finally, you state 
that listening, rather than habit or experience, conditions your preference, 
asserting that the better "dynamics" you hear make it plain that analog 
outperforms digital..But that already assumes the argument resolved in your 
favor, that the "dynamics" are actually "better."  What you are saying is 
that YOU find them to be so. That is not a proof that they are in some 
universal, objective sense. Any acquaintance with psychology will tell you 
that "set" determines outcome in gauging preference. If you expect the analog 
to sound better it surely will. But over a range of well-recorded material in 
both media in double blind tests can you RELIABLY detect the difference? If 
so, you are not like most experts who, time and time again, fail to establish 
the objective and statistical validity of such preferences in well designed, 
double blind tests. I would be happy to find middle ground and attest that 
some LP's sound wonderful and hope you will concede that some CD's do also. 
The most relevant differences among and within CD's and LP's relate to the 
skill of the engineers in capturing the original performance much more than 
to differences between the two media.
Don 
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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Sat Feb 26 19:19:34 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:19:34 EST
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <1a.dc40f2.25e97336@aol.com>

Hi, Des,

Reading your numerous posts on this topic reveals that you feel very strongly 
about it. I find some of your reasoning to be interesting. But why is it 
necessary in stating your preference to show sarcasm or condescension toward 
those who disagree with you? With apologies if this seems provocative, would 
you consider the following?

Your preferences are obviously yours and your right. But like many with 
strong opinions on this topic you come close to the cliche response of 
implying that those who disagree with you are less "experienced" as listeners 
or less attuned to nuance than you "musicians or engineers." I quote you, 
"Experience yes, listening
experience. Experience in which the ear has become trained to differentiate
variants in audio mediums, much like musicians are more attuned instrument
sounds, or sound engineers..."  Experience may lead you to be able to detect 
differences (can you certify, by the way, that you could detect the 
difference reliably in double blind tests?) but does it also qualify you to 
pronounce what is "better"?

Those who agree with you have, in your words (to Andras), "Good Ears" while 
presumably those of us who do not can be dismissed as inexperienced rubes who 
happily gobble down sonic "Cheese Whiz" while you gourmets feast on Ontario 
Cheddar. Pardon me. but isn't that sort of "elitist"? Implying access to more 
rareified and ethereal perceptive capacities does not prove your point.

This debate, relating as it does to subjective, not objective, data cannot be 
settled by recourse to anecdotal report, neither yours nor those of your 
friends whom you reference. And since scientific means of establishing the 
"truth" have failed (countless published, double blind tests of "expert" 
listeners in A/B comparisons show no findings of statistical significance) 
should we not just accept the obvious, incorporated timelessly in the old 
saying, "one man's trash is another's treasure"? This debate brings to mind 
Nietzsche's famous saying that there are no moral phenomena, simply moral inte
rpretations of phenomena. Neither analog nor digital is inherently better, 
they are only interpreted to be better in the minds of their adherents. And 
that is OK. People of good will and like experience can differ on this topic 
without injury to either side.

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 26 20:16:06 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:16:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks] -- Turntables spinoff
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--- Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Ron said:
> 
>[.......}
> Sorry to drift off Nak's but I felt the urge to add to
> the above ...
> 
> I own a belt drive TT, a Pink Triangle PT TOO, which is
> said to be no slouch
> and a rival for the Linn LP 12.  I also own a quartz auto
> Sony direct drive
> and that lives in a box in the roof because it's no match
> for the better
> made PT TOO.  But the shining glory is a transcription
> drive 30+ year old
> Goldring Lenco.  Both the PT and GL are slightly modified
> and both are fed
> almost pure sine wave clean power supplies.  But the
> transcription TT is the
> far more stable because a) the PT motor does not, cannot,
> run at a constant
> speed because of how it is design.  It almost runs at the
> right speed all
> the time but not quite.  You don't notice it until you
> play piano music on
> the transcription TT, when you eventually hear the
> difference between them.
> That's because the GL has a BIG motor of a design than
> can run at a constant
> speed.  Also, belts slip on the PT TOO when they get a
> bit old, adding to
> the traces of instability of the motor.  These
> differences can be seen by
> using the old GL's strobe disc.  Having said that ... the
> direct drive Sony
> that's living in a box can match the GL for stability and
> its in-built
> strobe is proof enough of that.
> 
> However, the Sony does rumble more that the PT.  So DID
> the GL, but only
> slightly, and now not at all since the platter underneath
> is covered with
> Sorbothane.  The Sony has not the same benefit because
> ... stable as is the
> motor, I don't think it would stand the extra weight of
> having slabs of
> Sorbo' plastered underneath!   It could also do with a
> decent tone phono
> lead and ... I dunno ... it feels and sounds so
> lightweight compared with
> the others, even with the same cartridge fitted ... maybe
> this is because it
> is physically lighter, has less mass to absorb those
> nasty vibrations ...
> Whatever, I don't think it has anything to do with it
> being direct drive.

Exactly... Specific TTs may be better or
worse than others, when judged as a whole.
But if you restrict consideration to the
drive system alone:

Belt drive speed is less accurate and
stable. This is because belts are resilient
(they better be, or they won't work at all),
giving rise to wow. Because of the speed
translation and the ever present inaccuracies
in the motor, there is also possibility
of flutter. DD speed is far more accurate
(it's quartz controlled) and stable (there
is no speed translation and the motor is
controlled by a servo).

Then, purists calim that DD is subject to
cogging effect, that translates to wow.
This may be true for very poor designs, of
cheaply made TTs. Quality TTs utilize a
sine wave generator that applies a very
smooth and continuous torque to the platter,
with next to zero clogging. Fact is, wow
specs of DD TTs are at the vanishing point.

As to rumble, the argument goes that belts
isolate the motor from the platter. But in
DD, there is no separate motor, and thus,
no vibration that should be isolated. The
only remaining cause of rumble is the platter
bearing, that depends on the design and build
quality and is unrelated to the drive system.
A long oil impregnated sintered bronze bearing
sitting on a stainless steel ball, easily
produces rumble in the -70db range, with either
belt drive or DD.

The bottom line is that speed accuracy, wow,
flutter and rumble specifications are all better
on DD TTs, when compared to *similarly priced*
belt driven TTs.

Finally, I have heard high end enthusiasts
claim that belt drive has some magic quality
that makes it simply sound better than DD. As
an Engineer, I find it difficult to accept
unsubstantiated, totally subjective claims.
I would be ineterested in any objective
explanation as to why that claim would be true.

> If this is too "non-Nak" I'm happy to discuss
> "off-list".

I feel this discussion is on subject, dealing,
as it does, with analog recording sources.

-- Ron
 
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From hifisapi at gate.net  Sat Feb 26 17:05:13 2000
From: hifisapi at gate.net (J.C. O'Connell)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:05:13 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <1a.dc40f2.25e97336@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200002262206.RAA37570@shasta.gate.net>

> From:          DWEMD2 at aol.com
> Neither analog nor digital is inherently better, 
> they are only interpreted to be better in the minds of their adherents. And 
> that is OK. People of good will and like experience can differ on this topic 
> without injury to either side.

Analog ( LP ) and digital ( CD ) are both limited only
by design parameters/physics.  While LP has continued to
improve over the last 50 + years,  CD has been pretty
much locked into it's 16 bit 44.1 Khz limitations for
quite some time.

If one were to go all out digital ( 24 bit,  192 Khz)
seems like that would exceed vinyls limitations
quite nicely and would allow easier design of
of the output filters, etc..........JCO


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From captain at bestweb.net  Sat Feb 26 18:37:24 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:37:24 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <20000226170309.7337.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
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Ron,  
     The major beef audiophiles have against direct drive phono
technology is that vibration from those DD motors runs right up the
spindle directly into the platter causing distortion and the loss of
recorded information being extracted form the groove.  With belt drive
units, the vibration from the motor is isolated from the platter by the
belt itself, thereby eliminating this distortion and info loss.  (These
are more or less the claims that Linn makes.)  This may seem a bit
theoretical, but I own some pretty good examples of both types of units,
and I do seem to hear MORE music info while listening to the belt drive
tables.  I could live with either type of unit if I had to, though...

                                 Tom
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From ronami at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 27 00:36:42 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:36:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <20000226233642.1620.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com>



--- Tom Bergman <captain at bestweb.net> wrote:
> Ron,  
>      The major beef audiophiles have against
> direct drive phono technology is that vibration
> from those DD motors runs right up the spindle
> directly into the platter causing distortion and
> the loss of recorded information being extracted
> form the groove. With belt drive units, the
> vibration from the motor is isolated from the
> platter by the belt itself, thereby eliminating
> this distortion and info loss.  (These are more
> or less the claims that Linn makes.)  This may
> seem a bit theoretical, but I own some pretty
> good examples of both types of units, and I do
> seem to hear MORE music info while listening to
> the belt drive tables.  I could live with either
> type of unit if I had to, though...
> 
>                                  Tom

I have already addressed this argument. It's not
'a bit theoretical', it's downright false. DD TT
do not have a separate motor to cause vibrations.
The "motor" rotor is embedded in the platter and
drives it directly, at 33 1/3 RPM. The only
vibrations can be caused by the platter/spindle
itself, in exactly the same way they are caused
in belt drive platters/spindles, except that in
belt drives, vibrations are *also* caused by the
separate high-revving motor.

The fact that Linn makes these claims is not
surprising. Manufacturers make outrageously
misleading and downright false claims (some that
come to mind, off the top of my head, are Monster
Cable, Carver, Denon and MIT). They know  full
well that most of their customers are not
engineers and are not equipped to evaluate such
claims. Because manufacturers do have engineers
at their diospopsal, I am inclined to attribute
these claims to delibrate dishonesty, rather than
honest misunderstanding.

I once witnessed a demo where the presenter took
the heavy platter off a DD TT. When he switched
it on, the spindle rotated in jerky movements.
The presenter explained that DD causes jerky
rotation and while the heavy platter filtered out
some of it, enough remains to make the wow audible.
The audience was visibly impressed. 

I explained (rather loudly) that a DD mechanism
and its electronic control are designed together
as a servo system. The platter mass is an important
part of the equation. By removing it, the servo
malfunctions, hence the jerky movement. The platter
mass does not 'filter out' the jerkiness -- it allows
the servo to function correctly and thus, *eliminates*
the wow (which is why that TT had an extrememly
low wow & flutter spec). Removing the platter
was analogous to cutting off the belt, to prove
that a belt drive does not work well even with
the belt intact. I later had a (heated) discussion
with the guy, with none of the audience present.
I will state that he was *not* misinformed -- he
was ddelibrately dishonest.

Finally, one conmment. You compare your TTs and
find the belt drives are better. Bottom line is,
both technologies can be designed and built to
provide excellent performance. It is quite
possible that your belt drive TT is better than
the DD. Says a lot about the specific tables, says
nothing about the technologies.

-- Ron

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Mon Feb 28 18:39:03 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:39:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Dampening???
Message-ID: <KNDKJGPADMMDAAAA@angelfire.com>

Very curious concept, Graham!  This boggles my mind!!!  You actually adhere sorbothane insulation around your turntable cartridge?  How does the sorbo-weight affect the balance and tracking of the arm/cartridge??  How thin can sorbothane be used, paper thin???

Now I'm wondering if we Nakkers should be considering placement of sorbothane insulation around the record/playback heads on our decks.  That, with input/output hard wiring would probably be the ultimate setup for precision audiophile listening experiences, wouldn't you think? <gr>

Mr Blues

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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:37:19 -0000
From: "Graham Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate

- -----Original Message-----
From:   owner-naktalk at naks.com 
Sent:   26 February 2000 11:40
To:     naktalk at naks.com
Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/Digital Debate

>I bow to the experts in knowledge of what cartridges/ styli were bought for
little and sold for mega bucks.  But I still believe that difference in
design, especially in things like body shell construction and materials, can
make a difference to the sound produced.  For example, I have produced some
very significant changes to the sounds from my turntables (PT TOO and GL78)
by sticking small pieces of Sorbothane to the sides of the cartridge bodies,
on the head of the tone arm above the cartridge and along the tone arm
itself.  The effect is to provide tighter, cleaner bass and sweeter treble.
Presumably this has something to do with the Sorbothane absorbing some
minute vibrations produced somewhere in the chain, perhaps from the TT
motors along the tone arm and/or from the contact of the stylus with the
record.  (The Sorbothane also has an effect if it is applied to the turntable platter - a good-to-my-ears effect on the GL78 and no-so-good on the PT TOO.  (The PT TOO is belt driven and the GL is a transcription TT.)

And to keep this message on track .... Both TT have been used for recording to a Nak!!  And the ageing GL re-produces piano much better than the PT TOO even tho' the latter was at least $1,000 worth when it was new because the GL has a far superior motor.

Graham




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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Feb 29 12:15:44 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:15:44 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need advice
References: <003301bf772c$b3d96b20$080b86cc@sank1>
Message-ID: <033201bf82a6$538880a0$6f6f6f6f@1>

Dear Stephen,

I found what was problem with recording head in my Nak 700.
Ferrite core in left channel has crack - so, there is two gaps 
instead of one - great losses and bad quality. So I need your
advice - what other deck used 700/1000 recording head?
Please let me know if any - so I'll try to find good used one.
Unfortunately $250 that Jeff Galin charged is too much for me :(

Thanks a lot for your help!

Mike
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Mon Feb 28 23:29:59 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:29:59 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <86256893.007B456A.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

You know, I have issues with that particular remaster.  First, I had terrible
physical problems with discs skipping and tracking incorrectly, when I first
bought the remastered four CD Bitches Brew.  Sony never sent me a decent disc,
no matter how hard I hounded them.  Finally, I ended up buying the two disc
Bitches Brew version, which worked fine.

But I find the Bitches Brew remaster has noticible tape hiss throughout, whereas
the 1960s Quintet is an immaculate remastering (to my ears).  Most of the
reviewers of Bitches Brew (which raved about the reissue) didn't bring it up.
And, it did win a Grammy this year.

Too bad, because Sony usually does some very good remastering work.  I just
bought their enhanced version of the Byrds "Untitled/Unissued,"  and that is
pure audio bliss.





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From oraculo at sti.com.br  Tue Feb 29 15:55:19 2000
From: oraculo at sti.com.br (Nestor Natividade)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:55:19 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] ?????!!!!!?????
Message-ID: <003901bf82c5$32157b20$c042bcc8@bao>

What's happening?
This forum is over?

Nestor 
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From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com  Tue Feb 29 20:00:02 2000
From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:00:02 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] nak 700zxl, cassette deck 1,receiver 1,cd player 2 for sale
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000229190002.0071f324@pop.mindspring.com>

Hi guys,

I tried to send this out Saturday but there seem to be problems with the
site and the list so here goes another try.

The Need ( at least that's what i'm calling it at the moment ) for a new
vechicle
means that a couple of my ( soon to be yours ) naks are for sale. the 700zxl
just returned this week from being " sank-tified " and is even now playing
jazz so sweetly I am wondering just how late i can stay up listening and not
sleep through my alarm in the morning ( working weekends is a bummer ).

The cassette deck 1, receiver 1, and cd player 2 are in fine shape as they
have only seen light use. they have the  ability to link up and be
controlled remotely. I have boxes, manuals, etc. for them.

if you are interested in anything please reach me at jazzisjazz at mindspring.com
or give me a ring monday or tuesday @ 864 855-2520. if i am not available
just leave a message and i will return your call.

thanks,

stan

p.s. I am willing to trade all four pieces for a 2000 toyota tundra acess
cab pickup- jade green w/ v8, auto, etc., etc.

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From aaron_taylor at reyrey.com  Tue Feb 29 20:55:08 2000
From: aaron_taylor at reyrey.com (Aaron Taylor)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:55:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-150 Problem please help! Digital vs. Analog 
Message-ID: <01BF82C4.F90DDF20.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>

Hi Guys,
     I have a BX-150 that I got from ebay :( . When you put in a tape you can barely hear
any sound from the two channels. The level indicators are also reading a very low signal when 
playing back a tape. I really like this tape deck and I feel that Naks are the best 
in the world in tape deck quality. I was wondering if there is a manuf. problem or
defect or this maching is in need of work and it the latter is true what should I do.

Thanks
Aaron
P.S. I like the discussion on the Digital  vs. Analog. I think there are pros and cons to
both formats in musical reproduction. It takes alot of science and engineering to produce
either method in the most precise manner. The major problem to consider is that the human ear
is a complex entity that is created from GOD himself to be a in my opinon PERFECT in every aspect
even when there are defects as far as a person being deaf (very unfortunate) are ears are a marvel in
evolution. We as man cannot reproduce sound in the profection that our ears can say " now that's perfect sound",
we are NOT PERFECT and neither is our disscussion of the Digital vs. Analog discussion on what is the better sound.

Just my opinion 

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Feb 29 21:22:54 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:22:54 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Dampening???
In-Reply-To: <KNDKJGPADMMDAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <000501bf82f2$c2967500$d878883e@a4s1s2>

Blue wrote:

Very curious concept, Graham!  This boggles my mind!!!  You actually adhere
sorbothane insulation around your turntable cartridge?
Kind of.  I use a latex based  glue to stick small pieces of Sorbo' (from
Sorbo' sheet) to the sides of the cartridge shell and, where possible, to
the top of the arm head above the cartridge shell.  (On my GL that allows
for an area the size of 2-3 Dimes, I suppose.  But on my PT TOO, the Rega
arm only allows for some bits of Sorbo' to be pushed through the holes of
the head shell.
How does the sorbo-weight affect the balance and tracking of the
arm/cartridge??
Of course, it adds weight to the end of the arm.  Therefore, once you've
added the Sorbothane you have to re-balance the arm and the tracking weight,
as per normal, using the tracking weight prescribed for the cartridge.  (For
this, I use a Shure stylus balance and fine-tune using the Hi-Fi Review test
record, which allows you to adjust the weight etc so that the cartridge
tracks as well as it possibly can.  (My PT Too, fitted with a DNM Reca MM
cartridge tracks pretty well but not as well as the MM Ortofon M40 fitted to
the GL.)  I have to say, the Sorbothane on the arm does not exactly make the
whole deal look pretty!  But it's worth a try to se if you like the change
in sound that it produces.  In almost all cases where I have used it, it's
improved the sound and my enjoyment of the music (which is, after all, what
this is all about, isn't it!)

For example, the Sorbo' sheet stuck on the sides of some speaker cabinets
can help reduce the "boxiness" of the sound by reducing the vibrations of
the cabinets.  Similarly, Sorbo' strips stuck across the facing panel of the
speaker, around/between the speakers themselves, helps reduce
"cross-contamination" of vibrations from, say the bass driver and tweeter
(which in the case of my old Tandberg speakers, makes the music sound
clearer, with better separation between instruments as well as improving
transients, bass and the tonal reproduction of instruments in the mid-range,
Or at least, it does so for my ears (I mean, ear!)

 I've also found it changes toe sound of the CD player, when Sorbo is placed
on the cabinet of the CD directly above the moving parts and (if possible)
on the underside of the drawer.  (Blue Tak on the underside of the drawer
also has a similar effect, in boosting and tightening up the bass
reproduction - at least, it seems to do so on my old Rotel 965.)
Now I'm wondering if we Nakkers should be considering placement of
sorbothane insulation around the record/playback heads on our decks.

I'd not thought of that - I'll give it a try -  but I can tell you how I
have applied Sorbothane to my ageing top-loading Aiwa cassette deck.  (I
digress from Nak's because the principle is the same for Nak top-loaders, I
imagine.)  Place the cassette into place.  Before shutting the top lid,
place on the cassette in between (not touching) the two spindles a piece of
Sorbothane and weight it down slightly with a coin.  (I use a UK 10p coin)
If the lid will close with plenty of room to spare, put in another small
piece of Sorbo', about the same size as the coin, so the lid closes whilst
applying barely discernible pressure on the coin.  Now record something with
subtle bass, like classical piano, and play it back ...  I'll not spoil the
pleasure of this experiment by telling you what happens with the old Aiwa.
However, you might note that I understand Sony (also Pioneer and Technics, I
think) have applied much the same principle to some of their cassette decks
... after I'd done it, by the way.  (Should have patented that idea!)

I have also read that bits of Sorbo' stuck to some critical components
inside some hi fi equipment can also significantly change the sound they
produce.  For example, if you place it on the chips inside the CD's DAC.
(I've got a separate DAC for my Rotel - a modified QED Digit - and I've
tried this.  To be honest, I'm not sure if I can hear any difference or not.
I think I can but that could so easily be wishful thinking!!!

That, with input/output hard wiring would probably be the ultimate setup for
precision audiophile listening experiences, wouldn't you think?

Possibly, but I'll bet someone out there will tell you that will depend on
whether you crimp the connections or solder them, and if the latter what
silver/lead mix you should use!!!  However, if there is one thing I've
realised abut engineers is .... like grammarians and every English school
miss that pretends to understand he points and commas or colons which
bespecle a text, they can never agree amongst themselves which is right and
which is wrong, only that the other guy is wrong!  (Sounds familiar?)

Blues, I'll be in touch off-List about doing you a cassette to cassette copy
of the Panov.

Graham



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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Mon Feb 28 22:30:21 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:30:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <000301bf8081$bf51aa40$2125883e@a4s1s2>
References: <20000226170309.7337.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
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>
>If this is too "non-Nak" I'm happy to discuss "off-list".
>
>Graham

Hey Graham I am surprised at what you wrote about your Pink Triangle
considering they make a power supply for the LP12 that rivals Linn's own
Lingo. I am still a Valhalla user.

Let's do this "off-list".

Oh, and I haven't won any lottos yet.

Des


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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Mon Feb 28 22:19:30 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:19:30 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning rubber pinch rollers on Nakamichi decks
In-Reply-To: <20000226162533.21900.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <l03130302b4e08de6187e@[142.58.121.20]>

Hi Ron ...
 You replied

>I agree with everything you posted, but beg
>to differ with:
>
>> Recording builds up the magnetism more
>> than playback.

It was something I picked (no pun intended) up years ago and not
necessarily correct.

I confered with an Engineer friend, his answer was "they do and they don't".

With professional machines (reel to reel) he only demagnetises the heads to
prevent damaging the alignment tapes. Otherwise he'd check them annually.
If magnetization did occur it indicated a problem within the machine (I
think he meant with the biasing circuits). Otherwise the machines were left
alone, other than cleaning of course. I also remember the tech never
demagged our Ampex ATR's except when they were to be serviced and then a
regular demagentizer couldn't do it (ferritte heads) he'd use a hand held
bulk erasure.

He did mention that a record head could get magnetised is if the input of
the machine was hit with a +20db input level, the voltage goes though to
the head even if it is not recording. Multi track machines experiencing
frequent "punch ins" would be candidates for more frequent check ups. And
last of all, bringing screw drivers (tools etc) in close proximity could
leave behind magnetism stronger than the bias current can remove. Playback
heads do have a small bias current passing though them. Proximity to motors
and solonoids are other fields to consider as a sourse for magnetism.

He also said that if anything it would be the head housing that would build
up magnetism than the record head itself. But again it's environmental
influences causing the magnetism.

If everything (machine electrionics) are set up properly and the
environment is clean (of magnetic fields) one should be okay.

As for consumer electronics? He said "There's so much junk out there ..."
and left the statement open.

>I believe the recording bias tends to
>demagnetize the record (or record/PB) head.
>Playback (especially of non-symmetrical
>waveforms) tends to magnetize the PB head.
>
>Regards,
>
>-- Ron

And with that knowledge I am less paranoid about demagnetising.

Thanks,

Des


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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Mon Feb 28 20:38:53 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:38:53 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <20000226170309.7337.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300b4e06bf41e8e@[142.58.121.18]>

Hi Ron ...
you wrote ...
>
>Based on your recent posts, you seem to
>vehemently dislike direct drive turntables,

No I do not "vehemently dislike direct drive turntables" but
>to love belt drives.

I would not say love but do enjoy music preferably reproduced from vinyl on
a belt driven turntable   However, I love chocolate milk.

>Here, you are comparing DD (direct drive) to a mistracking cartridge...

Sorry I must admit a friend's DD Goldmund betters my LP12 but he dosen't
think so. It had better bottom definition (read: more articulate bass
quitar and percussion at least I thought it did, how ever that was before I
upgraded the inner platter bearing assembly about 4 or 5 years ago).

But going back to the days of my Technics DD (it was the latest greatest
new technology back in the 70's, quartz speed et al), well even with the
SME pick up arm and a variety of cartridges there was a distortion I could
not explain. Not as sever a sonic intrusion as a mistracking cartridge but
a harshness, especially with vocals.

Anyway I was never satified with the "sound". Then a friend aware of my
problem took me to a shop (I had just moved to the west coast) selling
Regas and Linns. In a sound room were two JVC (average priced TT's) same
model except one was DD the other BD. We listened to one selection moved
the cartridge to the BD and exchanged the turntable outputs at the preamp.
Simple put the music went from 2D to 3D. The JVC's were about half the cost
of the cost of my Technics. He said he sold more Belt drives than the
Direct drive at that price point. And there began my venture into the
realms of reproduced music. I did check out the Regas but went with a Linn
LP 12. That was 22 1/2 years ago.

>Seems to me the TT drive system has nothing
>to do with sound quality.

It has everything to do with it, even with CD players.

>As long as it meets
>two requirements (rotate the TT at the correct,
>constant, speed and genenrate no vibrations or
>noise while doing so), it is immaterial.

True and you are right on, most importantly vibration. Simply, the platter
of a direct drive is coupled directly to the motor, hence vibration through
the platter to the record. The motor vibrations in a belt drive are
absorbed by the belt and the pickup arm is additionally isolated though the
suspension (of some tables).

Side note: I do wonder if a ZX7 sounds different from ZX9, the 7 being belt
driven, the 9 direct.

>As far as meeting those requirements, DD
>is easily superiour to belt drive.

On paper maybe but not when listening to music. And one need not some
esoteric Basis, Oracle, Linn, VPI etc. to hear the difference just a simple
Thorens or an old AR will do the job.

Except, case in point, Goldmund turntables, however their reference was ...

a belt drive.

And the belt was manufactured for Goldmund by ...

Linn.

>While I realize that The Purists view DD with
>disdain

I don't know The Purists but I would think they are being too extreme,
there are some applications a belt drive will not do.

>(it's not esoteric enough, it's too
>'high-tech')

Odd, the big deal (sales pitch) about Direct Drives was their "High Tech"
specs and measurements.
Mind you Oracles sure look cool ...

>I have yet to hear a reasonable
>(Engineering wise) reason why. Would you
>enlighten us?
>
>-- Ron

I hope I have.

And hey everyone sorry for the distraction, but as I presume many of you
use your Naks to archive their valuable Lp's, I thought I'd jump in on the
thread with a little side note (Uhh, long discertation?) about sources
hoping to be helpful.

Des



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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Tue Feb 29 22:17:40 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:17:40 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <1a.dc40f2.25e97336@aol.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300b4e1d0b2ca3d@[142.58.121.20]>

>Hi, Des,
>
>Reading your numerous posts on this topic reveals that you feel very strongly
>about it. I find some of your reasoning to be interesting. But why is it
>necessary in stating your preference to show sarcasm or condescension toward
>those who disagree with you?

T'was not my intension, and I am sorry I may have offend anyone.

>With apologies if this seems provocative, would you consider the following?

Indeed, carry on.

>Your preferences are obviously yours and your right. But like many with
>strong opinions on this topic you come close to the cliche response of
>implying that those who disagree with you are less "experienced" as listeners
>or less attuned to nuance than you "musicians or engineers." I quote you,
>"Experience yes, listening
>experience. Experience in which the ear has become trained to differentiate
>variants in audio mediums, much like musicians are more attuned instrument
>sounds, or sound engineers..."  Experience may lead you to be able to detect
>differences (can you certify, by the way, that you could detect the
>difference reliably in double blind tests?)

More than likely yes, however the differences are such than an untrained
ear can hear them.

>but does it also qualify you to pronounce what is "better"?

If there is an improvement it is better. Also it has been my job.

>Those who agree with you have, in your words (to Andras), "Good Ears" while
>presumably those of us who do not can be dismissed as inexperienced rubes who
>happily gobble down sonic "Cheese Whiz" while you gourmets feast on Ontario
>Cheddar.

Definitely a presumption. Your words and interpretation, not mine. The
discussion I shared were observations of an audio storage medium's
limitations.

>Pardon me. but isn't that sort of "elitist"?

No, however there are several musicians, producers, sound engineers and
sound designers that I revere as "elite".

>Implying access to more rareified and ethereal perceptive capacities does
>not prove your point.

Nothing implied, the ability for a mechanic to hear how well an engine is
performing, a driver to feel changes in a vehicle's performances, or a
sound engineer to hear the difference between microphone cables is not a
rarefied capacity nor is it an ethereal perception.

>This debate, relating as it does to subjective, not objective, data cannot be
>settled by recourse to anecdotal report, neither yours nor those of your
>friends whom you reference.

I'm just relaying a few observations of listening experiences consistant
within the subject.

>And since scientific means of establishing the
>"truth" have failed (countless published, double blind tests of "expert"
>listeners in A/B comparisons show no findings of statistical significance)

Depends on what you read I would think and the sources, my observations are
based on experience and the experience of others.

>should we not just accept the obvious, incorporated timelessly in the old
>saying, "one man's trash is another's treasure"?

Yes or "After 2 AM, no one is ugly"

>This debate brings to mind
>Nietzsche's famous saying that there are no moral phenomena, simply moral inte
>rpretations of phenomena. Neither analog nor digital is inherently better,
>they are only interpreted to be better in the minds of their adherents. And
>that is OK. People of good will and like experience can differ on this topic
>without injury to either side.
>
>Don

Nicely stated. And as I wrote in the beginning my intention was never to
hurt anyone.
Analogue is not better than digital, it is what digital is trying to emulate.

Des



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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Feb 29 23:17:07 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:17:07 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Problems, problems...
Message-ID: <38BC4563.72DF88B0@xs4all.nl>

Nakfans,

Apparently the naks.com server is not as reliable as most real Naks!
So there have been some problems with the site earlier this week and the
mail today.
Hopefully it is over now!

Wouter


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Tue Feb 29 23:29:25 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:29:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-150 Problem please help! Digital vs. Analog 
References: <01BF82C4.F90DDF20.aaron_taylor@reyrey.com>
Message-ID: <000b01bf8304$6ff813a0$a5496acf@jmtooley>

Did you run a cleaning cassette through the machine?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Taylor" <aaron_taylor at reyrey.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 2:55 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-150 Problem please help! Digital vs. Analog


> Hi Guys,
>      I have a BX-150 that I got from ebay :( . When you put in a tape you
can barely hear
> any sound from the two channels. The level indicators are also reading a
very low signal when
> playing back a tape. I really like this tape deck and I feel that Naks are
the best
> in the world in tape deck quality. I was wondering if there is a manuf.
problem or
> defect or this maching is in need of work and it the latter is true what
should I do.
>
> Thanks
> Aaron
> P.S. I like the discussion on the Digital  vs. Analog. I think there are
pros and cons to
> both formats in musical reproduction. It takes alot of science and
engineering to produce
> either method in the most precise manner. The major problem to consider is
that the human ear
> is a complex entity that is created from GOD himself to be a in my opinon
PERFECT in every aspect
> even when there are defects as far as a person being deaf (very
unfortunate) are ears are a marvel in
> evolution. We as man cannot reproduce sound in the profection that our
ears can say " now that's perfect sound",
> we are NOT PERFECT and neither is our disscussion of the Digital vs.
Analog discussion on what is the better sound.
>
> Just my opinion
>
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From captain at bestweb.net  Tue Feb 29 19:54:32 2000
From: captain at bestweb.net (Tom Bergman)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:54:32 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <l03130300b4e06bf41e8e@[142.58.121.18]>
Message-ID: <38BC15E9.1645@bestweb.net>

Desmond,       

    "Simply, the platter of a direct drive is coupled directly to the
motor, hence vibration through the platter to the record. The motor
vibrations in a belt drive are absorbed by the belt and the pickup arm
is additionally isolated though the suspension (of some tables)."

      This is the exact point I was trying to make the other day.  Thank
you for your eloquent defense of my position.  I knew I couldn't be the
ONLY person who adhered to this point of view...

                               Tom
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Mar  1 01:51:43 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:51:43 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <86256895.000469D0.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

I would definitely like to listen to a clean, original pressing of Bitches Brew
someday ... as I would like to find a sealed, mono vinyl of Sgt. Pepper's.
(Again, the CD reissue of Bitches Brew is strangely inadequate to me:  is it my
imagination, or is Miles' echo trumpet missed at some point in Pharoah's Dance?)

To maintain the purity of the site, a brief story about recording tapes.  I have
a Nakamachi Cassette Deck 2 and a NAD Cassette Deck 612 on my system.  I have
been dissatisfied with the tapes I have been recording on the Nak for my Sony
Walkman:  they come out too "boomy" and bass distorted.

I asked one of the pros at Saturday Audio Exchange here in Chicago about the
problem.  He told me:  record on the NAD.  Apparently, the Nak has (help me
here) too much rollover, or something.  I tried it, and though I am still
experimenting, it does seem like the NAD is better when recording for the
Walkman.

Any comments out there about that?  Not that I am abandoning the Nak, oh no.  It
still sounds great, by any other means.

George



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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Wed Mar  1 02:23:12 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:23:12 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #204
Message-ID: <OCLCKOGMLKEKAAAA@angelfire.com>

DD (Dr Des)......

Do you have advice on your experiences with hard wiring cassette decks external cable to innards) and applying sorbothane insulation (or other materials) to critical areas on components to reduce virbrations/enhance performance?  We'd enjoy reading any insights you may have to offer.

Merci!

Blues

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On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:06:59   naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>naktalk-digest Tuesday, February 29 2000  Volume 01 : Number 204
>
>

>
>Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:17:40 -0800
>From: Desmond Hidson <cjsfeng at sfu.ca>
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
>
>>Hi, Des,
>>
>>Reading your numerous posts on this topic reveals that you feel very strongly
>>about it. I find some of your reasoning to be interesting. But why is it
>>necessary in stating your preference to show sarcasm or condescension toward
>>those who disagree with you?
>
>T'was not my intension, and I am sorry I may have offend anyone...............
>

>More than likely yes, however the differences are such than an untrained
>ear can hear them.
>
>>but does it also qualify you to pronounce what is "better"?
>
>If there is an improvement it is better. Also it has been my job.
>
>>Those who agree with you have, in your words (to Andras), "Good Ears" while
>>presumably those of us who do not can be dismissed as inexperienced rubes who
>>happily gobble down sonic "Cheese Whiz" while you gourmets feast on Ontario
>>Cheddar.
>
>Definitely a presumption. Your words and interpretation, not mine..........

>
>------------------------------
>
>End of naktalk-digest V1 #204
>*****************************
>
>


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From DWEMD2 at aol.com  Wed Mar  1 02:42:52 2000
From: DWEMD2 at aol.com (DWEMD2 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:42:52 EST
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <19.1898b1a.25edcf9c@aol.com>

Hi, Des,
Thank you for your reasoned response to my perhaps overly contentious post. I 
appreciate that you did not blast me for what were somewhat provocative 
arguments I made. Still not sure I buy all your points but I respect the way 
you handled yourself in this response. 
Don
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From kbox at jump.net  Wed Mar  1 04:46:27 2000
From: kbox at jump.net (Ken Box)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:46:27 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
Message-ID: <38BC9290.9C1561F5@jump.net>



For all Nakophiles:
I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be bumped
to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial release. I
am of the opinion that a
fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be the
world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another Nak
more suited for this
purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.

Thanks!




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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar  1 06:00:33 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:00:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <19.1898b1a.25edcf9c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001f01bf833b$16f187a0$2c2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Well guys, this is what I call a good example of 2 gentlemen debating an
issue in an elegant way. If we keep this kind of quality here, we'll be
better than any other lists I know.

Amen !

The Tape Man

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Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


> Hi, Des,
> Thank you for your reasoned response to my perhaps overly contentious
post. I
> appreciate that you did not blast me for what were somewhat provocative
> arguments I made. Still not sure I buy all your points but I respect the
way
> you handled yourself in this response.
> Don
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From stemcor at techno-link.com  Wed Mar  1 08:15:29 2000
From: stemcor at techno-link.com (stemcor)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:15:29 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <86256895.000469D0.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
Message-ID: <003201bf834d$ed07e020$240024d4@infosysbank.com>

Hello, namesake -:) !

Funny enough, I seem to have the same problem with my Deck 1 - too much and
too unnatural bass and "boom". And not on a Walkman - on my main system. To
be honest, I was more  than happy with the sound until I got my Revox
B-215 -:). Now the Deck 1 is going to look for new home - I can't afford to
keep them both.

George Valkov
----- Original Message -----
From: <george.m.hook at ac.com>
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Sent: 01 Ìàðò 2000 ã. 02:51
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


> I would definitely like to listen to a clean, original pressing of Bitches
Brew
> someday ... as I would like to find a sealed, mono vinyl of Sgt. Pepper's.
> (Again, the CD reissue of Bitches Brew is strangely inadequate to me:  is
it my
> imagination, or is Miles' echo trumpet missed at some point in Pharoah's
Dance?)
>
> To maintain the purity of the site, a brief story about recording tapes.
I have
> a Nakamachi Cassette Deck 2 and a NAD Cassette Deck 612 on my system.  I
have
> been dissatisfied with the tapes I have been recording on the Nak for my
Sony
> Walkman:  they come out too "boomy" and bass distorted.
>
> I asked one of the pros at Saturday Audio Exchange here in Chicago about
the
> problem.  He told me:  record on the NAD.  Apparently, the Nak has (help
me
> here) too much rollover, or something.  I tried it, and though I am still
> experimenting, it does seem like the NAD is better when recording for the
> Walkman.
>
> Any comments out there about that?  Not that I am abandoning the Nak, oh
no.  It
> still sounds great, by any other means.
>
> George
>
>


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From ruajw2 at idirect.com  Wed Mar  1 16:14:30 2000
From: ruajw2 at idirect.com (Roland Alford)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:14:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction
In-Reply-To: <20000226170309.7337.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJOEEMCCAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>

Browsing through E-bay, I came across a Nakamichi High-Com II Noise
Reduction unit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271910234

What type of noise reduction does this use?  Is it a high-end Dolby system
with the Nak label?  Or something else?  Anyone know much about these?

Personally, I've always been happy using my outboard DBX units which have
been my noise reduction of choice for the past 17 years.

Roland

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 17:00:24 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:00:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <20000301160024.7210.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com>


--- Desmond Hidson <cjsfeng at sfu.ca> wrote:
> [.....]
> >Seems to me the TT drive system has nothing
> >to do with sound quality.
> 
> It has everything to do with it, even with CD
> players.

Well, let's not even go into CD players... There
is no question that any correctly working CD drive
is absolutely, mathematically, identical to any
other correctly working CD drive, by definition.
We can only discuss this point if you fully
understand digital technology. If you do, I'll
be happy to go into it -- either here or offline.

As to TT -- I still maintain believe that the
TT drive system has nothing  to do with sound
quality. I'll be happy to hear why you think
it does. 

> >As long as it meets
> >two requirements (rotate the TT at the correct,
> >constant, speed and genenrate no vibrations or
> >noise while doing so), it is immaterial.
> 
> True and you are right on, most importantly
> vibration. Simply, the platter of a direct
> drive is coupled directly to the motor, hence
> vibration through the platter to the record.

As I have already mentioned, DD TTs have no
motor, per se. Hence, no motor vibrations -- none,
zilch, nada, zero.

> The motor vibrations in a belt drive are
> absorbed by the belt and the pickup arm is
> additionally isolated though the suspension
> (of some tables).

This vibration does not exist in DD TTs. Thus,
there is nothing to isolate. Of course, it is
*in addition* to vibration emanating from the
rotation of the platter spindle itself, that
occurs in *any* TT, either DD, idler or BD.

Finally, for vibration to have an effect on the
sound, it has to show up as rumble. This gives
us a simple way of quantitating vibration. It
turns out that above a certain price point, DD
TTs have a lower rumble spec than comparably
priced BD.

> >As far as meeting those requirements, DD
> >is easily superiour to belt drive.
> 
> On paper maybe but not when listening to
> music.

I am truly interested in why that would be so
(which gets us back to my original question).
Not as anecdotal stories, but as some physically
meaningful reason: why would a TT with better
speed accuracy, lower wow, lower flutter and
lower rumble (with everything else being equal),
somehow have inferior sound quality?

-- Ron

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From ronami at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 17:26:38 2000
From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:26:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Dampening???
Message-ID: <20000301162638.23409.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com>


I think it makes perfect sense. All tone arms
resonate. Quite a few are underdamped. In those,
the damping effect of sorbothane strips will be
to lower resosnance Q and bring out more details
in the sound.

Year ago I read an article that suggested filling
tone arms with loose fiber rope. It claimed
that the resulting damping will always improve
sound quality, but too much will deaden it.

I have a ReVox TT, that uses a linear, motor
driven, arm. The cartridge is mounted in a very
light, very short carrier that is suspended on
a single needle point. While friction is next to
zero, this arrangement can easily give rise to
unwanted resonances in the cartridge/carrier
assembly. I often wondered whether adding some
damping will improve it, but never thought about
sorbothane.

I wonder where can I obtain some sorbothane sheet
material (I suppose, 1/16" will be about right?).

-- Ron


--- The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com> wrote:
> Very curious concept, Graham!  This boggles my mind!!! 
> You actually adhere sorbothane insulation around your
> turntable cartridge?  How does the sorbo-weight affect
> the balance and tracking of the arm/cartridge??  How thin
> can sorbothane be used, paper thin???
> 
> Now I'm wondering if we Nakkers should be considering
> placement of sorbothane insulation around the
> record/playback heads on our decks.  That, with
> input/output hard wiring would probably be the ultimate
> setup for precision audiophile listening experiences,
> wouldn't you think? <gr>
> 
> Mr Blues
> 
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
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> 
> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:37:19 -0000
> From: "Graham Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital
> debate
> 
> - -----Original Message-----
> From:   owner-naktalk at naks.com 
> Sent:   26 February 2000 11:40
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/Digital
> Debate
> 
> >I bow to the experts in knowledge of what cartridges/
> styli were bought for
> little and sold for mega bucks.  But I still believe that
> difference in
> design, especially in things like body shell construction
> and materials, can
> make a difference to the sound produced.  For example, I
> have produced some
> very significant changes to the sounds from my turntables
> (PT TOO and GL78)
> by sticking small pieces of Sorbothane to the sides of
> the cartridge bodies,
> on the head of the tone arm above the cartridge and along
> the tone arm
> itself.  The effect is to provide tighter, cleaner bass
> and sweeter treble.
> Presumably this has something to do with the Sorbothane
> absorbing some
> minute vibrations produced somewhere in the chain,
> perhaps from the TT
> motors along the tone arm and/or from the contact of the
> stylus with the
> record.  (The Sorbothane also has an effect if it is
> applied to the turntable platter - a good-to-my-ears
> effect on the GL78 and no-so-good on the PT TOO.  (The PT
> TOO is belt driven and the GL is a transcription TT.)
> 
> And to keep this message on track .... Both TT have been
> used for recording to a Nak!!  And the ageing GL
> re-produces piano much better than the PT TOO even tho'
> the latter was at least $1,000 worth when it was new
> because the GL has a far superior motor.
> 
> Graham

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Mar  1 19:51:36 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:51:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-150 Problem please help! Digital vs. Analog 
Message-ID: <000f01bf83af$3785e320$080b86cc@sank1>

This is not a common symptom, in my experience.  However, it is possible
that it is just a bit of gunk in the rec/play head-mode switching relay.
Try recording for a  minute several times & see if one or both playback
channels come back.  Also see if what you recorded plays back on another
deck(if it does, then your head is OK).

Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
505-296-8795 phone/fax
mc/visa/disc/amex
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From: Aaron Taylor <aaron_taylor at reyrey.com>
To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 1:21 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX-150 Problem please help! Digital vs. Analog


>Hi Guys,
>     I have a BX-150 that I got from ebay :( . When you put in a tape you
can barely hear
>any sound from the two channels. The level indicators are also reading a
very low signal when
>playing back a tape. I really like this tape deck and I feel that Naks are
the best
>in the world in tape deck quality. I was wondering if there is a manuf.
problem or
>defect or this maching is in need of work and it the latter is true what
should I do.
>
>Thanks
>Aaron
>P.S. I like the discussion on the Digital  vs. Analog. I think there are
pros and cons to
>both formats in musical reproduction. It takes alot of science and
engineering to produce
>either method in the most precise manner. The major problem to consider is
that the human ear
>is a complex entity that is created from GOD himself to be a in my opinon
PERFECT in every aspect
>even when there are defects as far as a person being deaf (very
unfortunate) are ears are a marvel in
>evolution. We as man cannot reproduce sound in the profection that our ears
can say " now that's perfect sound",
>we are NOT PERFECT and neither is our disscussion of the Digital vs. Analog
discussion on what is the better sound.
>
>Just my opinion
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Mar  1 20:05:56 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:05:56 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
Message-ID: <003301bf83b1$2dfd7aa0$080b86cc@sank1>

I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for your
application.

Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
505-296-8795 phone/fax
mc/visa/disc/amex
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?


>
>
>For all Nakophiles:
>I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be bumped
>to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial release. I
>am of the opinion that a
>fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be the
>world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another Nak
>more suited for this
>purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar  1 20:48:52 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:48:52 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Dampening???
In-Reply-To: <20000301162638.23409.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <000401bf83b7$2b77f980$a951883e@a4s1s2>

Ron asked:



I wonder where can I obtain some sorbothane sheet
material (I suppose, 1/16" will be about right?).

Search using askjeeves.com for Hi Fi News & Record Review and go to the
accessories part (which, actually, takes you to the Moth company) from where
you can order the Sorbothane sheet on line.  It costs around £12.00 for a
sheet.  That's a bit dear (esp. at today's £-$ exchange rate) but I think
you'll find it's worth it.

Graham



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar  1 20:48:56 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:48:56 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <38BC15E9.1645@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <000601bf83b7$2dd2b260$a951883e@a4s1s2>

Tom wrote:

Desmond,

    "Simply, the platter of a direct drive is coupled directly to the
motor, hence vibration through the platter to the record. The motor
vibrations in a belt drive are absorbed by the belt and the pickup arm
is additionally isolated though the suspension (of some tables)."

      This is the exact point I was trying to make the other day.  Thank
you for your eloquent defense of my position.  I knew I couldn't be the
ONLY person who adhered to this point of view...

                               Tom

What about transcription TT's?  And (to keep this on the NakTrack ...) has
anyone ever made a transcription cassette deck?

Graham

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar  1 20:48:54 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:48:54 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <20000301160024.7210.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <000501bf83b7$2cb55b80$a951883e@a4s1s2>

Ron said:

Well, let's not even go into CD players... There
is no question that any correctly working CD drive
is absolutely, mathematically, identical to any
other correctly working CD drive, by definition.
We can only discuss this point if you fully
understand digital technology.

I don't think it's quite that simple because all things in the design of a
CD drawer, like the transport compartments of our cassette machines, is not
always in perfect alignment nor always made in such a way that the alignment
cannot vary, even ever so slightly.  Thus, vibration from the motors (or
some external source) can be transferred into the CD drawer (or cassette
transport compartment) and cause the CD (or tape) to ever so slightly jitter
off target.  Thus, in the case of the CD drawer, if the mass of the drawer
is increased, in some cases that can reduce the vibration and keep it
holding the CD more accurately in place.  There again, some CD's, like some
cassette decks, are more solidly built and such tweaks will have no effect
on them whatsoever!

Graham

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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Mar  1 23:17:15 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:17:15 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <86256895.007A1B6F.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

>From what I am reading on the posts, I assume that tapes recorded on Naks sound
best when played back on Naks ... and TDK is the tape of choice.



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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Mar  2 00:46:00 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 00:46:00 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] The Stillness of Dawn
Message-ID: <38BDABB8.C79406E0@xs4all.nl>


I forgot to tell you all about a nice piece of Nak memorabilia i found
recently in a second hand music shop!


The Stillness of Dawn
High-Com II Demonstration Record
Kimited Edition - Not for sale
Play only through High-Com II System

NAK-100
Pressed in U.S.A>
(c) 1979

Price: $2

I guess this is pretty rare!
Anyone else who owns this record or another one?

Wouter

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From kbox at jump.net  Thu Mar  2 04:30:14 2000
From: kbox at jump.net (Ken Box)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 21:30:14 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
References: <003301bf83b1$2dfd7aa0$080b86cc@sank1>
Message-ID: <38BDE042.6A273074@jump.net>

Thank You Stephen!
Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I should look for?
Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!


Stephen Sank wrote:

> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for your
> application.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> mc/visa/disc/amex
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>
> >
> >
> >For all Nakophiles:
> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be bumped
> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial release. I
> >am of the opinion that a
> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be the
> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another Nak
> >more suited for this
> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From somperfeito at somperfeito.com  Thu Mar  2 07:00:53 2000
From: somperfeito at somperfeito.com (Nestor Natividade)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 03:00:53 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction
References: <LOBBKNJOIBADCLIAMEGJOEEMCCAA.ruajw2@idirect.com>
Message-ID: <014901bf840c$aea535c0$2d4bbcc8@bao>

Hi Roland,

HI-COM is a signal processor similar to DBX, but was developed in Europe (West-Germany's TELEFUNKEN?) for the high-end pro recording market. 
Was produced as complete units (basically 2-channel stand-alone units) or as two-channels single board processors (but w/o power supply), used in multitrack rack units. Its working principle                      (compression-expansion) is very similar to DBX, but with a better 'band tracking' and a slightly less sensibility to the frequency response variations of the recording medium.  Also, differently of DBX, a HI-COM processor needs only one adjustment in its life after a particular integration with a tape/tape recorder (not bad with a 48-ch multitrack recorder!).  
A high-speed pro recorder at 30 ips + Hi-COM can easily achieve 100 dB of signal/noise ratio!!

A 'cassette spectrum noise version' was developed by Nakamichi as an alternative to DBX for all die hearts Naka freaks & professionals, called, you know ... Hi-COM II.  
Playback of HI-COM / HI-COM II / DBX  tapes aren't mutually compatible and, worst, all of them with the DOLBY A / B / C / S  decoders is very unpleasant.
 
Yes, I still have a BASF demo K7 made by  TELEFUNKEN  with some music samples before/after the          HI-COM II treatment  plus  voice explanation of the technical process.   Basically money and marketing decisions dictated the commercial death of the process.  It is a fine piece of engineering.

Nestor,
São Paulo, Brasil 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
  From:      Roland Alford 
  To:           naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent:       Wednesday, March 01, 2000 12:14 PM
  Subject:  [naktalk] Noise Reduction


  Browsing through E-bay, I came across a Nakamichi High-Com II Noise Reduction unit:
                   http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271910234
  What type of noise reduction does this use?  Is it a high-end Dolby system with the Nak label?  Or something else?  Anyone know much about these?
  Personally, I've always been happy using my outboard DBX units which have been my noise reduction of choice for the past 17 years.
  Roland
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Thu Mar  2 06:54:57 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:54:57 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Need advice
References: Conversation <003301bf772c$b3d96b20$080b86cc@sank1> with last message <033201bf82a6$538880a0$6f6f6f6f@1> <MAPI.Id.0016.00637061732020203030303530303035@MAPI.to.RFC822>
Message-ID: <019f01bf840b$d85acfc0$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi Tony,

Please tell me more about this kit! I do not have
Nak service in my country but may try to order it 
with my friends in states. Please tell me what is it and
who may have it in US. 

Thanks,

Mike


> if you can grab a da09044 metal mod kit
> 
> regards Tony
> 
> 
> ----------
> > Dear Stephen,
> > 
> > I found what was problem with recording head in my Nak 700.
> > Ferrite core in left channel has crack - so, there is two gaps 
> > instead of one - great losses and bad quality. So I need your
> > advice - what other deck used 700/1000 recording head?

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Mar  2 18:22:16 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:22:16 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
Message-ID: <004f01bf846b$de8b4720$080b86cc@sank1>

I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The Dragon
had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to 1992, I
believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year made, all
Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that may exist
in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five or so
years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have ever seen
this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.  What I
have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and auto-azimuth
circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the capstan servo
problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.


Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
505-296-8795 phone/fax
mc/visa/disc/amex
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?


>Thank You Stephen!
>Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I should
look for?
>Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
>
>
>Stephen Sank wrote:
>
>> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for your
>> application.
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
>> mc/visa/disc/amex
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
>> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >For all Nakophiles:
>> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be bumped
>> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial release. I
>> >am of the opinion that a
>> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be the
>> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another Nak
>> >more suited for this
>> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
>> >
>> >Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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From kbox at jump.net  Thu Mar  2 19:01:30 2000
From: kbox at jump.net (Ken Box)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:01:30 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
References: <004f01bf846b$de8b4720$080b86cc@sank1>
Message-ID: <38BEAC75.D0EF0F14@jump.net>

Perfectly Waaay Cool info Stephen, Thanks!
If I find one I'll send it to you for evaluation and service!
Please keep me in mind if you run across one....

Your friend, and hopefully a customer,
Ken Box

Stephen Sank wrote:

> I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The Dragon
> had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to 1992, I
> believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year made, all
> Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that may exist
> in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
> auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five or so
> years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have ever seen
> this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.  What I
> have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and auto-azimuth
> circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the capstan servo
> problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
> descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> mc/visa/disc/amex
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>
> >Thank You Stephen!
> >Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I should
> look for?
> >Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
> >
> >
> >Stephen Sank wrote:
> >
> >> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for your
> >> application.
> >>
> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
> >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >For all Nakophiles:
> >> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be bumped
> >> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial release. I
> >> >am of the opinion that a
> >> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be the
> >> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another Nak
> >> >more suited for this
> >> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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From jacook at ibm.net  Thu Mar  2 21:17:06 2000
From: jacook at ibm.net (Jeff Cook)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:17:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
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Graham, this is where one has to have an understanding of how a CD operates.
I would be happy to get into the details of all the various closed-loop servo
systems, but I'd be straying a bit too far off-topic for this maillist.
Briefly, though, a closed-loop servo system is very tolerant of the small
misalignments and vibrations you speak of.

As for placing Sorbothane on the CD Drawer, well, the CD does not in any way
contact the drawer once the CD has been loaded onto the spindle.
Furthermore, the spindle/pickup assembly is isolated from the chassis.

I would simply sum it all up by saying that it all comes down to bit error rates.
By it's very nature, the digital domain can have no 'shades of grey'.
Everything is either a '1' or a '0'.
Either the bit gets read, or it doesn't.  There is no 'almost'.
Now, since we are dealing with mechanical entities, there is the possibility that
bits will be misread.  Error-correction circuits are therefore employed, that will
correct these random misread bits, so long as enough of the surrounding bits
were read correctly.  If not enough of the surrounding bits can be successfully
read, for the error correction circuits to function properly, then, and only then,
can there possibly be an audible change in the resultant datastream.

Therefore, if any CD 'tweak' is to make any difference whatsoever in the ouput quality
of a CD player, there must be bit errors present after the error correction
circuits have had their turn, and the 'tweak' must be shown to reduce or eliminate
these bit errors.  Here is something that can be directly measured.
Measurement of the bit error rate, therefore, can be used to provide conclusive proof
that a given 'tweak' does or does not perform as advertised.
Unfortunately, I have yet to see any of these CD tweaks that were ever substantiated
by actual before-and-after measurement of the bit-error rate.

Why this is not being done, I leave as an exercise to the reader.

Jeff Cook


Graham Nelson wrote:

> I don't think it's quite that simple because all things in the design of a
> CD drawer, like the transport compartments of our cassette machines, is not
> always in perfect alignment nor always made in such a way that the alignment
> cannot vary, even ever so slightly.  Thus, vibration from the motors (or
> some external source) can be transferred into the CD drawer (or cassette
> transport compartment) and cause the CD (or tape) to ever so slightly jitter
> off target.  Thus, in the case of the CD drawer, if the mass of the drawer
> is increased, in some cases that can reduce the vibration and keep it
> holding the CD more accurately in place.  There again, some CD's, like some
> cassette decks, are more solidly built and such tweaks will have no effect
> on them whatsoever!

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From jacook at ibm.net  Thu Mar  2 21:17:06 2000
From: jacook at ibm.net (Jeff Cook)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:17:06 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <000501bf83b7$2cb55b80$a951883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <38BECC41.37C23550@ibm.net>


Graham, this is where one has to have an understanding of how a CD operates.
I would be happy to get into the details of all the various closed-loop servo
systems, but I'd be straying a bit too far off-topic for this maillist.
Briefly, though, a closed-loop servo system is very tolerant of the small
misalignments and vibrations you speak of.

As for placing Sorbothane on the CD Drawer, well, the CD does not in any way
contact the drawer once the CD has been loaded onto the spindle.
Furthermore, the spindle/pickup assembly is isolated from the chassis.

I would simply sum it all up by saying that it all comes down to bit error rates.
By it's very nature, the digital domain can have no 'shades of grey'.
Everything is either a '1' or a '0'.
Either the bit gets read, or it doesn't.  There is no 'almost'.
Now, since we are dealing with mechanical entities, there is the possibility that
bits will be misread.  Error-correction circuits are therefore employed, that will
correct these random misread bits, so long as enough of the surrounding bits
were read correctly.  If not enough of the surrounding bits can be successfully
read, for the error correction circuits to function properly, then, and only then,
can there possibly be an audible change in the resultant datastream.

Therefore, if any CD 'tweak' is to make any difference whatsoever in the ouput quality
of a CD player, there must be bit errors present after the error correction
circuits have had their turn, and the 'tweak' must be shown to reduce or eliminate
these bit errors.  Here is something that can be directly measured.
Measurement of the bit error rate, therefore, can be used to provide conclusive proof
that a given 'tweak' does or does not perform as advertised.
Unfortunately, I have yet to see any of these CD tweaks that were ever substantiated
by actual before-and-after measurement of the bit-error rate.

Why this is not being done, I leave as an exercise to the reader.

Jeff Cook


Graham Nelson wrote:

> I don't think it's quite that simple because all things in the design of a
> CD drawer, like the transport compartments of our cassette machines, is not
> always in perfect alignment nor always made in such a way that the alignment
> cannot vary, even ever so slightly.  Thus, vibration from the motors (or
> some external source) can be transferred into the CD drawer (or cassette
> transport compartment) and cause the CD (or tape) to ever so slightly jitter
> off target.  Thus, in the case of the CD drawer, if the mass of the drawer
> is increased, in some cases that can reduce the vibration and keep it
> holding the CD more accurately in place.  There again, some CD's, like some
> cassette decks, are more solidly built and such tweaks will have no effect
> on them whatsoever!

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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Thu Mar  2 23:48:28 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:48:28 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V1 #204
In-Reply-To: <OCLCKOGMLKEKAAAA@angelfire.com>
References: <OCLCKOGMLKEKAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <f04310100b4e48e280bb4@[142.58.121.17]>

DD (Dr Des)......


Usually the DD stood for Dizzy Desi ....

nevermind ...

Reverse the first and we have Dolby ..

How about a refreshingly reminder,

Double Diamond.


Do you have advice on your experiences with hard wiring cassette 
decks external cable to innards) and applying sorbothane insulation 
(or other materials) to critical areas on components to reduce 
vibrations/enhance performance?  We'd enjoy reading any insights you 
may have to offer.

Merci!

Blues


Hey Blues ...

Graham is the sorbothane expert. I do believe Audio Advisor sells 
sheets to fit the insides of components to eliminate resonances.

Stephen Sank and Jeffrey Galin the Nak experts.

The only thing I can think of, and Stephen wrote about, would be to 
upgrade components in the critical audio paths. Capacitors and 
resistors. Does one add small bypass caps to the power supply 
electrolytics?

As for hard wiring, I'd just upgrade the RCA's if one is so inclined. 
WBT's if one has the cash.

A friend has been modifying a Nak 500 (I think) by hardwiring 
critical audiopaths replacing the PCB trace. I'll try and find out 
more details other than wehat had been relayed to me "it sounds a 
hell of a lot better".

However, I do recommend changing interconnect cables to a twisted 
pair w/shield if one is using a coxial design. Be sure to research 
this if one is planning on jumping into the Hi Fi Boutique esoteric 
cable universe. A lot of "brand's" entry level cables are glorified 
coxial designs, the big change is to the twisted pair designs.

Try making your own. Research different local pro sound installers or 
recording studios. The star quad designs are not necessary. Remember 
to terminate the shield to cold (-) at only one end and identify it. 
A simple rule of thumb is, if cable has printing on the jacket, read 
signal flow from left to right with the printing, attaching the 
shield at the opposite end, the left.

As for which way to insert the cable I go with the flow (heh, heh!).

Does one direction sound different than the other? I don't know.

Personally the Linn pickup arm leads have been replaced with Mogami 
Neglex consol wire. (a little higher capacitance than the Linn coxial 
phono lead) Reused the Linn (Tiffany style) RCA's. I use Musiflex 
microphone cable between the pre amp and power amp and the preamp and 
the Cassette Deck 2. Ends are Neutrik XLR and Neutrik ProFi RCA's.

Solder is Kestor 3% silver.

Hope this helps

Des








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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Fri Mar  3 01:28:27 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:28:27 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <38BECC41.37C23550@ibm.net>
Message-ID: <000301bf84a7$64bbd720$5857883e@a4s1s2>


Jeff began ...


Graham, this is where one has to have an understanding of how a CD operates.
I would be happy to get into the details of all the various closed-loop
servo
systems, but I'd be straying a bit too far off-topic for this maillist.

Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I learnt a lot from that
e-mail.  Thanks Jeff.  It raises a few queries but I'll pursue those
off-list.

Graham

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From copytec at coqui.net  Fri Mar  3 23:08:48 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:08:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: <86256895.007A1B6F.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
Message-ID: <007101bf855d$0ecc8380$2c2f2ac4@coqui.net>

Usually that's true but not an inflexible rule.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


> From what I am reading on the posts, I assume that tapes recorded on Naks
sound
> best when played back on Naks ... and TDK is the tape of choice.
>
>
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Fri Mar  3 22:50:04 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:50:04 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <86256897.00779FCD.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

I did play back one of my dub tapes that I recorded on the NAK the other day.
It did sound better than on the Walkman (that's for sure) and the NAD 612
cassette player.  Those were Maxell's, by the way.



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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Mar  4 01:29:20 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:29:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
Message-ID: <000c01bf8570$af3ff960$bb302ac4@coqui.net>

Hello All:

After loosing my bid at .ebay for a 1000 ZXL service manual, someone is
offering me a xerox copy for $60.00. The original one was sold for $395.00
!!!! Two hundred box less than the other ridiculous one. I don't know, but I
think that $60.00 is too high. What about the copy rights ? I copied a
couple of 700 ZXL service manual for $25.00 including the Priority Mail fee,
hardly covering the cost and effort, but 60.00 bucks ? Perhaps the price is
ok, I don't know. Comments ?

The Tape Man

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From bochar at epix.net  Sat Mar  4 00:23:42 2000
From: bochar at epix.net (bob)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:23:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
References: <004f01bf846b$de8b4720$080b86cc@sank1>
Message-ID: <38C0497E.97FABD5E@epix.net>

Does this problem exist for any other high end NAKs that you know of, or
just peculiar to the Dragon?
 You know if audiophiles don't have something to obsess about they can't
enjoy the music!
bob
/;o)

Stephen Sank wrote:
> 
> I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The Dragon
> had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to 1992, I
> believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year made, all
> Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that may exist
> in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
> auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five or so
> years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have ever seen
> this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.  What I
> have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and auto-azimuth
> circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the capstan servo
> problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
> descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.
> 
> Stephen Sank, Owner
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> mc/visa/disc/amex
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> 
> >Thank You Stephen!
> >Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I should
> look for?
> >Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
> >
> >
> >Stephen Sank wrote:
> >
> >> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for your
> >> application.
> >>
> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
> >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >For all Nakophiles:
> >> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be bumped
> >> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial release. I
> >> >am of the opinion that a
> >> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be the
> >> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another Nak
> >> >more suited for this
> >> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Sat Mar  4 00:39:34 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:39:34 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
Message-ID: <86256897.0081A607.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

I've always had a Nak for obsession!



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From sir_stewart at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  4 00:50:37 2000
From: sir_stewart at hotmail.com (mick s)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:50:37 PST
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscope 
Message-ID: <20000303235037.16718.qmail@hotmail.com>

G'day,

A quick question : Imagine you place a very sensitive microphone connected 
to a very sensitive oscilloscope in front of your loudspeakers while they 
are broadcasting music. Is it possible to tell from the image on the 
oscilloscope whether the source of the music is digital or analogue? i.e. 
can the square wave nature of the digital source be seen on the 
oscilloscope?

Michael





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From bochar at epix.net  Sat Mar  4 01:05:42 2000
From: bochar at epix.net (bob)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:05:42 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Dampening???
References: <KNDKJGPADMMDAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <38C05356.29F14D48@epix.net>

I use Dynamat and Mortite similarly.
bob
 

The BlueSwapper wrote:
> 
> Very curious concept, Graham!  This boggles my mind!!!  You actually adhere sorbothane insulation around your turntable cartridge?  How does the sorbo-weight affect the balance and tracking of the arm/cartridge??  How thin can sorbothane be used, paper thin???
> 
> Now I'm wondering if we Nakkers should be considering placement of sorbothane insulation around the record/playback heads on our decks.  That, with input/output hard wiring would probably be the ultimate setup for precision audiophile listening experiences, wouldn't you think? <gr>
> 
> Mr Blues
> 
> ---
> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
> 
> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 13:37:19 -0000
> From: "Graham Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/digital debate
> 
> - -----Original Message-----
> From:   owner-naktalk at naks.com
> Sent:   26 February 2000 11:40
> To:     naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: The new Analogue/Digital Debate
> 
> >I bow to the experts in knowledge of what cartridges/ styli were bought for
> little and sold for mega bucks.  But I still believe that difference in
> design, especially in things like body shell construction and materials, can
> make a difference to the sound produced.  For example, I have produced some
> very significant changes to the sounds from my turntables (PT TOO and GL78)
> by sticking small pieces of Sorbothane to the sides of the cartridge bodies,
> on the head of the tone arm above the cartridge and along the tone arm
> itself.  The effect is to provide tighter, cleaner bass and sweeter treble.
> Presumably this has something to do with the Sorbothane absorbing some
> minute vibrations produced somewhere in the chain, perhaps from the TT
> motors along the tone arm and/or from the contact of the stylus with the
> record.  (The Sorbothane also has an effect if it is applied to the turntable platter - a good-to-my-ears effect on the GL78 and no-so-good on the PT TOO.  (The PT TOO is belt driven and the GL is a transcription TT.)
> 
> And to keep this message on track .... Both TT have been used for recording to a Nak!!  And the ageing GL re-produces piano much better than the PT TOO even tho' the latter was at least $1,000 worth when it was new because the GL has a far superior motor.
> 
> Graham
> 
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From m.raven at chello.nl  Sat Mar  4 01:29:13 2000
From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:29:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscope 
References: <20000303235037.16718.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101bf8570$aae9bea0$9e3cbbd4@mj586>

----- Original Message -----
From: "mick s" <sir_stewart at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 12:50 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscope


> G'day,
>
> A quick question : Imagine you place a very sensitive microphone
connected
> to a very sensitive oscilloscope in front of your loudspeakers while
they
> are broadcasting music. Is it possible to tell from the image on the
> oscilloscope whether the source of the music is digital or analogue?
i.e.
> can the square wave nature of the digital source be seen on the
> oscilloscope?

Only with sinus testtones and much amplification.
After the DAC there's a network to smoothen the output in the analog
domain. But with sensitive equipment a lab can see the typical digital
watermark of the recording.
Fourrier analyses let you see quantisering noise, typical for digital
recordings. That's only one parameter related to digital signals there
are many more.
But only trained ears hears differences in a double-blind
investigations. Never mind the psychological aspect _knowing  to see
the
equipment, and expecting to hear_
I noticed years ago that very few people can hear the difference of the
Dire Straits CD album Brothers in Arms and the analog LP version of the
album.



Maurits

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From atan at myna.com  Sat Mar  4 02:28:20 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 20:28:20 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000c01bf8570$af3ff960$bb302ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <38C066A7.E5352E70@myna.com>

Hello Carlos,

It's beginning to seem like the Nak manuals are worth their  weight
in gold! Well I've never seen one, and don't really know if it's worth all
the $$ people are paying for it, but I wouldn't mind at all getting a copy of
a copy just to see what the fuss is all about. If you're willing, I wouldn't
mind paying my share to get to see a copy of it. THEN if it's so life-
enhancing, maybe I'll be willing to pay $600 bucks for the next one that
comes up for sale, and it will, because there's nothing like the smell of
money to get the sharks out.

Andrew.


Carlos wrote:

> Hello All:
>
> After loosing my bid at .ebay for a 1000 ZXL service manual, someone is
> offering me a xerox copy for $60.00. The original one was sold for $395.00
> !!!! Two hundred box less than the other ridiculous one. I don't know, but I
> think that $60.00 is too high. What about the copy rights ? I copied a
> couple of 700 ZXL service manual for $25.00 including the Priority Mail fee,
> hardly covering the cost and effort, but 60.00 bucks ? Perhaps the price is
> ok, I don't know. Comments ?
>
> The Tape Man
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sat Mar  4 03:02:36 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:02:36 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
Message-ID: <003101bf857e$ad728400$080b86cc@steve2>

The problem I spoke of below pertains exclusively to the Dragon, as it was
the only Nak with twin direct drive, digital servo capstan motors.

-----Original Message-----
From: bob <bochar at epix.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?


>Does this problem exist for any other high end NAKs that you know of, or
>just peculiar to the Dragon?
> You know if audiophiles don't have something to obsess about they can't
>enjoy the music!
>bob
>/;o)
>
>Stephen Sank wrote:
>>
>> I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The Dragon
>> had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to 1992, I
>> believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year made,
all
>> Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that may
exist
>> in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
>> auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five or so
>> years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have ever
seen
>> this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.  What
I
>> have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and
auto-azimuth
>> circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the capstan
servo
>> problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
>> descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
>> mc/visa/disc/amex
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>>
>> >Thank You Stephen!
>> >Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I
should
>> look for?
>> >Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
>> >
>> >
>> >Stephen Sank wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for your
>> >> application.
>> >>
>> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
>> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
>> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
>> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
>> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
>> >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >For all Nakophiles:
>> >> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be
bumped
>> >> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial
release. I
>> >> >am of the opinion that a
>> >> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be
the
>> >> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another
Nak
>> >> >more suited for this
>> >> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
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>> >                     1117 West 9th Street, Austin, Texas 78703
>> >
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Mar  4 04:59:08 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 22:59:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Oscilloscope
References: <20000303235037.16718.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38C08A0C.FCB75064@concentric.net>

mick s wrote:
> 
> G'day,
> 
> A quick question : Imagine you place a very sensitive microphone connected
> to a very sensitive oscilloscope in front of your loudspeakers while they
> are broadcasting music. Is it possible to tell from the image on the
> oscilloscope whether the source of the music is digital or analogue? i.e.
> can the square wave nature of the digital source be seen on the
> oscilloscope?
> 
> Michael

First, neither the mic nor the 'scope have to be
particularly
sensitive.

Second, the 'square wave nature' relates to the digital
wave form. By the time it is processed through a DAC
(Digital to Analog Converter) and following filter, it
is just audio. There is no way to tell that is has gone
through the ADC/DAC process by looking at the 'scope.

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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Mar  4 05:02:00 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:02:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000c01bf8570$af3ff960$bb302ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <38C08AB8.88F5CD2@concentric.net>

Carlos wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> After loosing my bid at .ebay for a 1000 ZXL service manual, someone is
> offering me a xerox copy for $60.00. The original one was sold for $395.00
> !!!! Two hundred box less than the other ridiculous one. I don't know, but I
> think that $60.00 is too high. What about the copy rights ? I copied a
> couple of 700 ZXL service manual for $25.00 including the Priority Mail fee,
> hardly covering the cost and effort, but 60.00 bucks ? Perhaps the price is
> ok, I don't know. Comments ?
> 
> The Tape Man

If that's what the market will bear....

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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Sat Mar  4 04:09:31 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:39:31 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <001801bf8587$119acca0$42d60192@vsnl>

I found Sony Metal SR tape was better than TDK MA after of-course adjusting
bias and level internally on a 3 Head nak. People having 1000ZXl or 700ZXL
will be better in judging because of the extensive calibration facility in
those machines to get the best out of tape.
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos <copytec at coqui.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Saturday, March 04, 2000 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]


>Usually that's true but not an inflexible rule.
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <george.m.hook at ac.com>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 5:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
>
>
>> From what I am reading on the posts, I assume that tapes recorded on Naks
>sound
>> best when played back on Naks ... and TDK is the tape of choice.
>>
>>
>>
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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Sat Mar  4 04:15:29 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:45:29 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
Message-ID: <003501bf8587$e53072e0$42d60192@vsnl>

There is one Dragon for sale at Sonic Sense with warranty- see Naks.com site
for URL
and Ofcourse few comes up at Excite classifieds regularly
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?


>I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The Dragon
>had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to 1992, I
>believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year made,
all
>Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that may exist
>in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
>auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five or so
>years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have ever
seen
>this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.  What I
>have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and
auto-azimuth
>circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the capstan servo
>problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
>descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.
>
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>505-296-8795 phone/fax
>mc/visa/disc/amex
>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>
>
>>Thank You Stephen!
>>Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I
should
>look for?
>>Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
>>
>>
>>Stephen Sank wrote:
>>
>>> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for your
>>> application.
>>>
>>> Stephen Sank, Owner
>>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>>> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>>> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
>>> mc/visa/disc/amex
>>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
>>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
>>> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >For all Nakophiles:
>>> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be bumped
>>> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial release.
I
>>> >am of the opinion that a
>>> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be the
>>> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another Nak
>>> >more suited for this
>>> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
>>> >
>>> >Thanks!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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>>                     1117 West 9th Street, Austin, Texas 78703
>>
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Sat Mar  4 04:41:05 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:41:05 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <86256898.0013EC79.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

Weren't TDKs originally used to bias the Naks while they were in production?



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From kbox at jump.net  Sat Mar  4 06:01:33 2000
From: kbox at jump.net (Ken Box)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:01:33 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
References: <003501bf8587$e53072e0$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <38C098A8.9F9D477F@jump.net>

Thank You!

I will check it out! I've also found two on ebay but of course no warranty and who
knows what else!

"Kannan. S" wrote:

> There is one Dragon for sale at Sonic Sense with warranty- see Naks.com site
> for URL
> and Ofcourse few comes up at Excite classifieds regularly
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>
> >I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The Dragon
> >had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to 1992, I
> >believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year made,
> all
> >Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that may exist
> >in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
> >auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five or so
> >years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have ever
> seen
> >this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.  What I
> >have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and
> auto-azimuth
> >circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the capstan servo
> >problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
> >descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.
> >
> >
> >Stephen Sank, Owner
> >Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> >505-296-8795 phone/fax
> >mc/visa/disc/amex
> >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> >To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> >
> >
> >>Thank You Stephen!
> >>Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I
> should
> >look for?
> >>Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
> >>
> >>
> >>Stephen Sank wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for your
> >>> application.
> >>>
> >>> Stephen Sank, Owner
> >>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >>> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> >>> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> >>> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> >>> mc/visa/disc/amex
> >>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> >>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
> >>> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >For all Nakophiles:
> >>> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be bumped
> >>> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial release.
> I
> >>> >am of the opinion that a
> >>> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be the
> >>> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another Nak
> >>> >more suited for this
> >>> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
> >>> >
> >>> >Thanks!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
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> >>> resource.
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> >>                     1117 West 9th Street, Austin, Texas 78703
> >>
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From copytec at coqui.net  Sat Mar  4 07:41:39 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:41:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000c01bf8570$af3ff960$bb302ac4@coqui.net> <38C066A7.E5352E70@myna.com>
Message-ID: <003901bf85a4$b248a7e0$312f2ac4@coqui.net>

Ha, ha ! Thank you Andy. Perhaps those manuals has some
"hidden" information that would take your Nak up to incredible levels of
sound , or maybe a secret code to enter the "Nak Zone" threshold ...
 please use the Twilight Zone music as background while readind this one
... )

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Tan <atan at myna.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual


> Hello Carlos,
>
> It's beginning to seem like the Nak manuals are worth their  weight
> in gold! Well I've never seen one, and don't really know if it's worth all
> the $$ people are paying for it, but I wouldn't mind at all getting a copy
of
> a copy just to see what the fuss is all about. If you're willing, I
wouldn't
> mind paying my share to get to see a copy of it. THEN if it's so life-
> enhancing, maybe I'll be willing to pay $600 bucks for the next one that
> comes up for sale, and it will, because there's nothing like the smell of
> money to get the sharks out.
>
> Andrew.


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From RAKNAK57 at aol.com  Sat Mar  4 07:19:52 2000
From: RAKNAK57 at aol.com (RAKNAK57 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:19:52 EST
Subject: [naktalk] CR7A    and RX505 sale??
Message-ID: <84.22e6428.25f20508@aol.com>

Well   I have thought long and hard  about  it and  and I  will take offers   
to both  decks  which  are in SUPER mint condition.   CR7A  and RX505  None 
of them have ever had defects  or had to  be repaired. These  are some of the 
best decks made by Nakamichi  in there  prime!
My bid begins  at  $1,000us  minimum.   OBO!

I have the boxes  and  paper  work  and  all the  little things  that came 
with the  units.  
Again, this is something  i will think about  for  the serious  Nak owner to 
be,  before  i give them away.   These are my babies and  just the notion 
that  I am going to offer them for  sell makes  me feel nauseous.
Rick 
RakNak57 at aol.com
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From nbagno at hooked.net  Sat Mar  4 10:07:36 2000
From: nbagno at hooked.net (Ned Bagno)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 01:07:36 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] CR7A    and RX505 sale??
In-Reply-To: <84.22e6428.25f20508@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.20000304010519.00a8e770@mail.wenet.net>

Know how you feel, I sold my CR7a which was the replacement for my 680zx 
that was stolen from my house. I think I just hurled in my mouth a little...


At 01:19 AM 3/4/00, RAKNAK57 at aol.com wrote:
>Well   I have thought long and hard  about  it and  and I  will take offers
>to both  decks  which  are in SUPER mint condition.   CR7A  and RX505  None
>of them have ever had defects  or had to  be repaired. These  are some of the
>best decks made by Nakamichi  in there  prime!
>My bid begins  at  $1,000us  minimum.   OBO!
>
>I have the boxes  and  paper  work  and  all the  little things  that came
>with the  units.
>Again, this is something  i will think about  for  the serious  Nak owner to
>be,  before  i give them away.   These are my babies and  just the notion
>that  I am going to offer them for  sell makes  me feel nauseous.
>Rick
>RakNak57 at aol.com
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Mar  4 11:51:51 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:51:51 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
In-Reply-To: <003901bf85a4$b248a7e0$312f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <000001bf85c7$a60cb520$3c22883e@a4s1s2>

Please tell me more about these "Nak manuals" - I suspect a Govt.
conspiracy.

The Truth is out there ...

Agent Fox Mulder

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From:	owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent:	04 March 2000 06:42
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual

Ha, ha ! Thank you Andy. Perhaps those manuals has some
"hidden" information that would take your Nak up to incredible levels of
sound , or maybe a secret code to enter the "Nak Zone" threshold ...
 please use the Twilight Zone music as background while readind this one
... )

Carlos


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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Mar  4 21:57:11 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 15:57:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000c01bf8570$af3ff960$bb302ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <38C178A7.A69B61E@concentric.net>

Carlos wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> After loosing my bid at .ebay for a 1000 ZXL service manual, someone is
> offering me a xerox copy for $60.00. The original one was sold for $395.00
> !!!! Two hundred box less than the other ridiculous one. I don't know, but I
> think that $60.00 is too high. What about the copy rights ? I copied a
> couple of 700 ZXL service manual for $25.00 including the Priority Mail fee,
> hardly covering the cost and effort, but 60.00 bucks ? Perhaps the price is
> ok, I don't know. Comments ?
> 
> The Tape Man

I still have the Service manual for the 700 - my
first Nak ever. It came in a blue binder and looks
appropriately impressive. I no longer own the deck
itself (replaced it with a 582, then with a CR-7a).
Does anyone know what it's worth nowadays (maybe I
can sell it and retire on the proceeds)? 

-- Ron
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sat Mar  4 22:14:50 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:14:50 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000c01bf8570$af3ff960$bb302ac4@coqui.net> <38C178A7.A69B61E@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <00f701bf861f$1b2ff860$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi everyone!

Soon we going to have many of new scannings of Nak 
manuals. And I have to ask you about one thing.
PDF format is good but takes too much space and time
to load - especialy for people with slow Internet connection.
There is new format for text and graphics - called DjVu.
It saves much space and time - so I have to ask all of you
if I'll save all the scannings - and there will be ALOT in such 
a format? There is a plig-in for most of the brousers available
in DjVu site. So please replay and I'll decide what to do and
what to use for saving manuals. 
>From my expirience DjVu is really good and one page will 
take some 20 - 50 kb! So the whole manual will not take many 
megs but much less. It's especialy important with service manuals.

Let's decide!

Michael 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Mar  5 00:00:34 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:00:34 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
In-Reply-To: <38C178A7.A69B61E@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000601bf862d$72b9e920$158d883e@a4s1s2>

Ron wrote:

I still have the Service manual for the 700 - my
first Nak ever. It came in a blue binder and looks
appropriately impressive. I no longer own the deck
itself (replaced it with a 582, then with a CR-7a).
Does anyone know what it's worth nowadays (maybe I
can sell it and retire on the proceeds)?

* Ron

What's your address, Ron?  Me and The Boys will be round later to
requisition it ... for the good of the Nak List, of course ....

A Crook

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From khambawati at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  5 16:08:47 2000
From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 10:08:47 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 playback of recorded sound
Message-ID: <20000305150847.74536.qmail@hotmail.com>

1.After servicing, this 1981 LX-3 had an excessively bright recorded sound.  
The problem was aired on Naktalk and comments were made by a number of 
persons. Stephen Sank correctly estimated that the deck had been 
underbiased. Thanks to Mr. Sank I was able to deal authoritatively with the 
technician though I have no technical background.

2.The deck was sent back for re-calibration which was done on Maxell XL-II 
not TDK-SA. On return, the deck was found to have a much improved sound i.e. 
off known music on CDs, it produced a copy very close to the original and 
the "warmth" associated with Nakamichis had returned. Of course, playback on 
a Sony WM-D6C walkman professional produced a sound without the leading 
edges. I have not yet tested the deck with Maxell XL-IIS but will share the 
results when I do.

3. There was a squeal from the reel table on FF mode. The technician said it 
was not easy to resolve but the deck has quietened down after a slightly 
heavier lubricant was applied

4. Question for the experts  Is the TDK-SA of 2000 manufactured to the same 
specifications and formulation as the TDK-SA of the 1980s which was also the 
Nakamichi SX?


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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Mar  5 18:04:51 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:04:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000c01bf8570$af3ff960$bb302ac4@coqui.net> <38C178A7.A69B61E@concentric.net> <00f701bf861f$1b2ff860$6f6f6f6f@1>
Message-ID: <38C293B3.5284524@concentric.net>

MVM wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone!
> 
> Soon we going to have many of new scannings of Nak
> manuals. And I have to ask you about one thing.
> PDF format is good but takes too much space and time
> to load - especialy for people with slow Internet connection.
> There is new format for text and graphics - called DjVu.
> It saves much space and time - so I have to ask all of you
> if I'll save all the scannings - and there will be ALOT in such
> a format? There is a plig-in for most of the brousers available
> in DjVu site. So please replay and I'll decide what to do and
> what to use for saving manuals.
> >From my expirience DjVu is really good and one page will
> take some 20 - 50 kb! So the whole manual will not take many
> megs but much less. It's especialy important with service manuals.
> 
> Let's decide!
> 
> Michael

Service manuals require fairly good resolution to
reproduce schematics and mechanical drawings well.
Why don't you scan one representative page in DjVu
and examine it to see whether it does the job?

If you decide in the affirmative, would you please
publish the URL where the plugin is available? I spent
(wasted??) some time in DejaNews and found no download
area.

Thanx,

-- Ron
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Mar  5 18:07:11 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:07:11 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000601bf862d$72b9e920$158d883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <38C2943F.A31F3E8@concentric.net>

Graham Nelson wrote:
> 
> Ron wrote:
> 
> I still have the Service manual for the 700 - my
> first Nak ever. It came in a blue binder and looks
> appropriately impressive. I no longer own the deck
> itself (replaced it with a 582, then with a CR-7a).
> Does anyone know what it's worth nowadays (maybe I
> can sell it and retire on the proceeds)?
> 
> * Ron
> 
> What's your address, Ron?  Me and The Boys will be round later to
> requisition it ... for the good of the Nak List, of course ....
> 
> A Crook
> 

I live in Mass., where illicit appropriations are
frowned upon (unless committed by politicians).

-- Ron
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Mar  5 17:42:19 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:42:19 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000c01bf8570$af3ff960$bb302ac4@coqui.net> <38C178A7.A69B61E@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000901bf86c1$c649d200$a2496acf@jmtooley>

I have a Nak 700 that needs a Service Manual, badly.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual


> Carlos wrote:
> >
> > Hello All:
> >
> > After loosing my bid at .ebay for a 1000 ZXL service manual, someone is
> > offering me a xerox copy for $60.00. The original one was sold for
$395.00
> > !!!! Two hundred box less than the other ridiculous one. I don't know,
but I
> > think that $60.00 is too high. What about the copy rights ? I copied a
> > couple of 700 ZXL service manual for $25.00 including the Priority Mail
fee,
> > hardly covering the cost and effort, but 60.00 bucks ? Perhaps the price
is
> > ok, I don't know. Comments ?
> >
> > The Tape Man
>
> I still have the Service manual for the 700 - my
> first Nak ever. It came in a blue binder and looks
> appropriately impressive. I no longer own the deck
> itself (replaced it with a 582, then with a CR-7a).
> Does anyone know what it's worth nowadays (maybe I
> can sell it and retire on the proceeds)?
>
> -- Ron
>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Mar  5 19:59:17 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:59:17 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
In-Reply-To: <38C2943F.A31F3E8@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000201bf86d4$e82fd1e0$ce19883e@a4s1s2>

Ron wrote:

I live in Mass., where illicit appropriations are
frowned upon (unless committed by politicians).

* Ron


Ron

I am a politician!

A Crook


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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Mar  5 22:39:44 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:39:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000201bf86d4$e82fd1e0$ce19883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <38C2D420.E1FDD398@concentric.net>

Graham Nelson wrote:
> 
> Ron wrote:
> 
> I live in Mass., where illicit appropriations are
> frowned upon (unless committed by politicians).
> 
> * Ron
> 
> Ron
> 
> I am a politician!
> 
> A Crook


Graham,

Hailing from the good old US of A, I am not sure
the redundancy implied by 'Politician' and 'crook'
(all present parties excluded, of course) applies
in your own neighborhood.

In any case, no offense was intended. I hold crooks
in the highest regard.  :-)

-- Ron
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From mariano at starnet.net.ph  Sun Mar  5 21:42:49 2000
From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 04:42:49 +0800
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
References: <000c01bf8570$af3ff960$bb302ac4@coqui.net> <38C178A7.A69B61E@concentric.net> <00f701bf861f$1b2ff860$6f6f6f6f@1> <38C293B3.5284524@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <001701bf86e3$5fa4b070$5e0ab0cb@marendanjul>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <raah at concentric.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual


> > Michael
>
> Service manuals require fairly good resolution to
> reproduce schematics and mechanical drawings well.
> Why don't you scan one representative page in DjVu
> and examine it to see whether it does the job?
>
> If you decide in the affirmative, would you please
> publish the URL where the plugin is available? I spent
> (wasted??) some time in DejaNews and found no download
> area.
>
> Thanx,
>
> -- Ron
>
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Hello everyone:

The DjVu URL is http://djvu.research.att.com/

I hope to try the download soon and report on my experience.

Life is too short, enjoy the music!

Mariano

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Mar  5 22:18:30 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:18:30 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Xerox copy manual
In-Reply-To: <38C2D420.E1FDD398@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <000001bf86e8$5b8f0ee0$659e883e@a4s1s2>

Graham Nelson wrote:
>
> Ron wrote:
>
> I live in Mass., where illicit appropriations are
> frowned upon (unless committed by politicians).
>
> * Ron
>
> Ron
>
> I am a politician!
>
> A Crook

Ron replied:

Graham,

Hailing from the good old US of A, I am not sure
the redundancy implied by 'Politician' and 'crook'
(all present parties excluded, of course) applies
in your own neighborhood.

In any case, no offense was intended. I hold crooks
in the highest regard.  :-)

* Ron

High regard, huh?  In that case, I'll call off the "family" hit-man, Nick A
Michi.

(He throttles people with Agfa Chromium Dioxide C90's or batters them to
death with Sanyo cassette decks ... after all, they're no use for anything
else ....)

Respect,

A Crook (alias the Don K Hotey)

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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Mon Mar  6 08:50:16 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:50:16 +0100 
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE779EC90@mchh214e.demchh201e.oen.siemens.de>

Hi Stephen,

got a little bin confused about your posting . . .
Isn't it true that the ZX-9 has got two double direct driven capstans, too?
Are there really any differences in mechanical parts between Dragon and
ZX-9?

	Klaus


> The problem I spoke of below pertains exclusively to the Dragon, as it was
> the only Nak with twin direct drive, digital servo capstan motors.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bob <bochar at epix.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> 
> 
> >Does this problem exist for any other high end NAKs that you know of, or
> >just peculiar to the Dragon?
> > You know if audiophiles don't have something to obsess about they can't
> >enjoy the music!
> >bob
> >/;o)
> >
> >Stephen Sank wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The
> Dragon
> >> had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to 1992,
> I
> >> believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year
> made,
> all
> >> Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that may
> exist
> >> in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
> >> auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five or so
> >> years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have ever
> seen
> >> this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.
> What
> I
> >> have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and
> auto-azimuth
> >> circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the capstan
> servo
> >> problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
> >> descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.
> >>
> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> >>
> >> >Thank You Stephen!
> >> >Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I
> should
> >> look for?
> >> >Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Stephen Sank wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for
> your
> >> >> application.
> >> >>
> >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
> >> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> >> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> >> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> >> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
> >> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> >> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >For all Nakophiles:
> >> >> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be
> bumped
> >> >> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial
> release. I
> >> >> >am of the opinion that a
> >> >> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would be
> the
> >> >> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another
> Nak
> >> >> >more suited for this
> >> >> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Thanks!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
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From pebo at top.monad.net  Mon Mar  6 19:43:55 2000
From: pebo at top.monad.net (pebo)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:43:55 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z
Message-ID: <38C3FC6A.32364190@top.monad.net>

Greetings,
I am new to the group as well as to the world of Nakamichi. Nakamichi
was always one those esoteric brand names in the audio world that was
assumed to be outside of my grasp. The machines themselves always
appeared forbidding and somewhat menacing given the many operational
gadgets attached to their countenance. Now after many years I have
conquered my phobia and am in pursuit of a Nakamichi 480Z being sold at
eBay. Very reasonable thus far but 6 days remain. I joined the group to
learn more about the machines and to seek advise. Anybody with any
thoughts on the 480Z, well, their input would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you. Steve

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Mon Mar  6 17:36:02 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:36:02 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
Message-ID: <DCHPAKCGDGPFCAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings!

I was visiting in Minneapolis, Minnesota last weekend, in part to pilgrimage to Raskin's Needle Doctor store in DinkyTown (old-town commercial area, near the University of Minnesota).  There, I spoke with the man himself, Jerry Raskin, about turntable vibration dampening and audiophile tweaking.  The discussion advanced to sorbothane insulation, and Dr Raskin praised the ideas of add-ons to tone arm, cartridge and platter dampening.  "If you don't try Sorbothane, you'll never realise the difference it can make to your sound system listening experience", Raskin shared with enthusiasm.

The Needle Doctor has much exerience, and has written articles on enhancements to analogue systems, which has been published in several well-regarded audio magazines.  He certainly knows his stuff!!!

The Needle Doctor's business is known world-wide for selling high quality analogue gear to audiophiles, and he offers a variety of sorbothane goodies (sorbo-gel turntable mats ($75 to $100), sorbothane sheets ($20), sweeps, vacuums, clamps, anything you might desire!  Big-time internet website to browse too:

http://www.needledoctor.com/needledoctorfram.htm

Scroll down to "Sorbothane" and you'll see what the Dr has to offer from his bag of enhancements.  I hope this info helps any of you that  want to experiment with Sorbothane, and kindly inform us Nakkers if you find ways of using this material to tweak cassette deck performance.

Mr Blues

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From bochar at epix.net  Mon Mar  6 20:11:14 2000
From: bochar at epix.net (bob)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:11:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z
References: <38C3FC6A.32364190@top.monad.net>
Message-ID: <38C402D2.6D8E7F67@epix.net>

Pebo:
  I have a 480Z in mint condition with manual, but no original box.
Bought locally new. I am second owner. Little
use, although I use it at least one or two times a day.
  Depending on where I have to ship it, you can have it
for $200 ppd. If shipping is over $20, you would split the
difference.
  Older audio hobbyist, not a scam artist.
Best of luck,
bob
/;o)
PS:
 Since I previously owned an LX-3 two head deck, I would
have to say that was better, but this is a good deck.

pebo wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> I am new to the group as well as to the world of Nakamichi. Nakamichi
> was always one those esoteric brand names in the audio world that was
> assumed to be outside of my grasp. The machines themselves always
> appeared forbidding and somewhat menacing given the many operational
> gadgets attached to their countenance. Now after many years I have
> conquered my phobia and am in pursuit of a Nakamichi 480Z being sold at
> eBay. Very reasonable thus far but 6 days remain. I joined the group to
> learn more about the machines and to seek advise. Anybody with any
> thoughts on the 480Z, well, their input would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you. Steve
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From khambawati at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  6 22:34:41 2000
From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:34:41 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback on non-Nakamichi decks and vice versa
Message-ID: <20000306213441.97719.qmail@hotmail.com>

Two questions:

(i) Nakamichi-recorded cassettes play back poorly on non-Nakamichi decks? In 
concrete terms, is the sound brighter or darker on playback; what are the 
other differences? Likewise, what are the audible characteristics of 
cassettes recorded on non-Nakamichi decks play back on Nakamichi machines?

(ii) In layman's language, does Dolby encoding play a role in the way 
Nakamichi-recorded cassettes play back on other decks and vice versa; or is 
it just a matter of the head gaps and Eq. ?  Grateful for comments and for 
ignorance being forgiven.
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Mon Mar  6 22:44:04 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:44:04 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
Message-ID: <65.23314e7.25f580a4@aol.com>

Sounds like this person works for Jerry Raskins.  Audiophile not!  Buyer 
beware! 
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Mar  6 23:08:53 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:08:53 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
In-Reply-To: <65.23314e7.25f580a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000101bf87b8$8f4291a0$7c21883e@a4s1s2>

Sounds like you don't know Mr Blues.  Audiophile, definitely!  And it's spot
on re: Sorbothane, pal.

-----Original Message-----
From:	owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of
Scalnajim at aol.com
Sent:	06 March 2000 21:44
To:	naktalk at naks.com
Subject:	Re: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....

Sounds like this person works for Jerry Raskins.  Audiophile not!  Buyer
beware!

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From pebo at top.monad.net  Tue Mar  7 02:54:59 2000
From: pebo at top.monad.net (pebo)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:54:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z
References: <38C3FC6A.32364190@top.monad.net> <38C402D2.6D8E7F67@epix.net>
Message-ID: <38C46173.25CA9FA1@top.monad.net>

Bob,
Thanks for responding to my query. I will keep your offer in mind.
Steve

bob wrote:

> Pebo:
>   I have a 480Z in mint condition with manual, but no original box.
> Bought locally new. I am second owner. Little
> use, although I use it at least one or two times a day.
>   Depending on where I have to ship it, you can have it
> for $200 ppd. If shipping is over $20, you would split the
> difference.
>   Older audio hobbyist, not a scam artist.
> Best of luck,
> bob
> /;o)
> PS:
>  Since I previously owned an LX-3 two head deck, I would
> have to say that was better, but this is a good deck.
>
> pebo wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> > I am new to the group as well as to the world of Nakamichi. Nakamichi
> > was always one those esoteric brand names in the audio world that was
> > assumed to be outside of my grasp. The machines themselves always
> > appeared forbidding and somewhat menacing given the many operational
> > gadgets attached to their countenance. Now after many years I have
> > conquered my phobia and am in pursuit of a Nakamichi 480Z being sold at
> > eBay. Very reasonable thus far but 6 days remain. I joined the group to
> > learn more about the machines and to seek advise. Anybody with any
> > thoughts on the 480Z, well, their input would be greatly appreciated.
> > Thank you. Steve
> >
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Mar  7 01:17:25 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:17:25 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT Decks....
Message-ID: <LMFGFNPKAJIHCAAA@angelfire.com>

Does anyone have a bit of info about Nakamichi Digital Audio Tape (DAT) decks?  Didn't Nakamichi do a DAT component series during the late 1980's??  There was a brochure for auction on ebay recently.  Just curious, my next post will be analogue deck related, I promise!!!

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From Gregg at Ergosoft.com  Tue Mar  7 01:51:04 2000
From: Gregg at Ergosoft.com (Gregg Guarnera)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:51:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback on non-Nakamichi decks and vice versa
References: <20000306213441.97719.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38C45277.21A23994@Ergosoft.com>

Is is my understanding that the reason that Nak tapes may not sound as good on non-Nak
decks is because Nak tape heads record thinner magnetic tracks on the tape leaving more
space between the tracks for better channel separation.  When this thinner track is
played back on a non-Nak deck expecting a wider recorded track the signal strength may
not be what it could be for that deck.  So the non-Nak head reads the recorded track
and the unrecorded area at the edge of the track resulting in less signal, more noise,
etc.

Of course the quality of the recorded signal from the Nak may make up for some of the
loss in playback quality.  Personally, I have always liked the sound of Nak tapes no
matter where I play them but nothing matches playback on another Nak..

-Gregg


Debashish Chakravarti wrote:

> Two questions:
>
> (i) Nakamichi-recorded cassettes play back poorly on non-Nakamichi decks? In
> concrete terms, is the sound brighter or darker on playback; what are the
> other differences? Likewise, what are the audible characteristics of
> cassettes recorded on non-Nakamichi decks play back on Nakamichi machines?
>
> (ii) In layman's language, does Dolby encoding play a role in the way
> Nakamichi-recorded cassettes play back on other decks and vice versa; or is
> it just a matter of the head gaps and Eq. ?  Grateful for comments and for
> ignorance being forgiven.
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Mar  7 02:59:21 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:59:21 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi playback on non-Nakamichi decks and vice
	 versa
Message-ID: <8625689B.000A9DE7.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

Interesting topic.  As you know, I have been experiencing problems playing Nak
tapes on my Sony Walkman: too much boomy bass sound.  I wonder if this
aberration holds true for any other brands, for example, do Sony CDs sound
better on Sony equipment?



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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Tue Mar  7 03:20:43 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:20:43 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
Message-ID: <65.235e9c9.25f5c17b@aol.com>

First, I'm not talking about sorbothane, I'm talking about Jerry Raskins.
I don't know how many times you have met Jerry Raskins, but I have had the 
mis-fortune of working for the Needle Doctor over eight years ago while I was 
attending college at the University of Minnesota.  I have also run across him 
many times since.  Let me tell you, he has no interest in audio except its' 
profits.
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Tue Mar  7 03:22:15 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:22:15 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DAT Decks....
Message-ID: <e.1570647.25f5c1d7@aol.com>

What would you like to know.
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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Tue Mar  7 03:26:48 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:26:48 EST
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <da.1e9a49b.25f5c2e8@aol.com>

yes, plus the Nakamichi tapes were made by TDK.

ZX-90 = ma-90  
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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Mar  7 05:21:48 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:21:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
References: <DCHPAKCGDGPFCAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <38C483DC.AEE4781C@concentric.net>

The BlueSwapper wrote:
> 
> [.....] There, I spoke with the man himself, Jerry
> Raskin [....] has much exerience [....] He certainly
> knows his stuff!!!

As an engineer, I urge you to do serious sanity analysis
whenever faced with high-end claims in general and those
about esoteric audio in particular. I took a peek at his
web site. Here's what he says to sell the AudioQuest $90
record mat (comprised of a $10 piece of Sorbothane,
packaged in a $1 cardboard envelope):

-> Why do I need this Record Mat? 
-> When you play a record the cartridge stylus presses
-> against the vinyl with a pressure of many tons per
-> square inch.

True, but irrelevant.

-> This enormous force ...

The pressure is high. The force is still 1.5 grams -- far
from 'enormous'. He hopes people will be easily misled
because they miss the difference between force and pressure.

-> ... transfers energy into the record ...

That's BS. Even high force (or pressure -- take your pick)
will *not* transfer energy into the record.

-> ... causing it to vibrate...

More BS. Even if energy was, indeed, transferred, it would
not cause vibrations.

And on and on... All he had to do, was say that the
sorbothane
mat isolates the record from TT vibrations, which is true.
But
he probably felt that's not enough to separate the average
Joe
from 90 bucks. So, instead, he feels compelled to sell snake
oil. Sorry, I find this kind of con quite offensive.

-- Ron
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Mar  7 04:18:32 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:18:32 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
Message-ID: <004e01bf87e4$dbd49aa0$080b86cc@steve2>

No, the ZX-9 has a single direct drive motor, belt coupled to the left
capstan.  Similar to the BX300/CR-7A type, but with a larger flywheel.
 The transport is the same as the Dragon otherwise.

Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone/fax 505-296-8795
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
mc/visa/disc/amex
-----Original Message-----
From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, March 06, 2000 12:54 AM
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Dragon or ?


>Hi Stephen,
>
>got a little bin confused about your posting . . .
>Isn't it true that the ZX-9 has got two double direct driven capstans, too?
>Are there really any differences in mechanical parts between Dragon and
>ZX-9?
>
> Klaus
>
>
>> The problem I spoke of below pertains exclusively to the Dragon, as it
was
>> the only Nak with twin direct drive, digital servo capstan motors.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bob <bochar at epix.net>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 4:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>>
>>
>> >Does this problem exist for any other high end NAKs that you know of, or
>> >just peculiar to the Dragon?
>> > You know if audiophiles don't have something to obsess about they can't
>> >enjoy the music!
>> >bob
>> >/;o)
>> >
>> >Stephen Sank wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The
>> Dragon
>> >> had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to 1992,
>> I
>> >> believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year
>> made,
>> all
>> >> Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that may
>> exist
>> >> in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
>> >> auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five or
so
>> >> years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have
ever
>> seen
>> >> this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.
>> What
>> I
>> >> have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and
>> auto-azimuth
>> >> circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the capstan
>> servo
>> >> problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
>> >> descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.
>> >>
>> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
>> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
>> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
>> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
>> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>> >>
>> >> >Thank You Stephen!
>> >> >Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I
>> should
>> >> look for?
>> >> >Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Stephen Sank wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for
>> your
>> >> >> application.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
>> >> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> >> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> >> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>> >> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>> >> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
>> >> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
>> >> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
>> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> >> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
>> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >For all Nakophiles:
>> >> >> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be
>> bumped
>> >> >> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial
>> release. I
>> >> >> >am of the opinion that a
>> >> >> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would
be
>> the
>> >> >> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another
>> Nak
>> >> >> >more suited for this
>> >> >> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Thanks!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Mar  7 04:21:28 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:21:28 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank, aka Champlain Valley Speaker Co. - New Address
Message-ID: <004f01bf87e4$e1fb4fa0$080b86cc@steve2>

Please note new address below.  Phone number remains the same, although it
will be down for a few days.  In the meantime, contact me by email or my
mobile, 505-238-8165.  Anything in transit to the old address will get to
me, so no worries.

Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone/fax 505-296-8795
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
mc/visa/disc/amex

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From enoyes at snet.net  Tue Mar  7 04:29:18 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:29:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
References: <65.23314e7.25f580a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <38C4778D.B871FA0@snet.net>

You obviously must be new to this list or else you would even think such a thought,
let alone express it. Mr. Blues has been a member of this community with input of
equal insight as a Stephen Sank, Jeff Galin, Carlos, or any of the other pillars of
this group.

Sorbothane has been a topic that's been bantered about a bit lately and certainly I'm
not the only one who would be interested in sources for info and tweaks... Even if he
did work for Jerry (and I don't think he does in any way), I'd still be interested in
Mr. Blue's two cents. You should think before you start typing.

Ed

Scalnajim at aol.com wrote:

> Sounds like this person works for Jerry Raskins.  Audiophile not!  Buyer
> beware!
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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Tue Mar  7 04:40:35 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:40:35 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
In-Reply-To: <38C483DC.AEE4781C@concentric.net>
References: <DCHPAKCGDGPFCAAA@angelfire.com>
 <38C483DC.AEE4781C@concentric.net>
Message-ID: <f04310100b4ea2a23ae1c@[142.58.124.26]>

>The BlueSwapper wrote:
>>
>>  [.....] There, I spoke with the man himself, Jerry
>>  Raskin [....] has much exerience [....] He certainly
>>  knows his stuff!!!
>
>As an engineer, I urge you to do serious sanity analysis
>whenever faced with high-end claims in general and those
>about esoteric audio in particular. I took a peek at his
>web site. Here's what he says to sell the AudioQuest $90
>record mat (comprised of a $10 piece of Sorbothane,
>packaged in a $1 cardboard envelope):
>
>-> Why do I need this Record Mat?
>-> When you play a record the cartridge stylus presses
>-> against the vinyl with a pressure of many tons per
>-> square inch.
>
>True, but irrelevant.
>
>-> This enormous force ...
>
>The pressure is high. The force is still 1.5 grams -- far
>from 'enormous'. He hopes people will be easily misled
>because they miss the difference between force and pressure.
>
>-> ... transfers energy into the record ...
>
>That's BS. Even high force (or pressure -- take your pick)
>will *not* transfer energy into the record.
>
>-> ... causing it to vibrate...
>
>More BS. Even if energy was, indeed, transferred, it would
>not cause vibrations.
>
>And on and on... All he had to do, was say that the
>sorbothane
>mat isolates the record from TT vibrations, which is true.
>But
>he probably felt that's not enough to separate the average
>Joe
>from 90 bucks. So, instead, he feels compelled to sell snake
>oil. Sorry, I find this kind of con quite offensive.
>
>-- Ron

Right on

Des
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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Mar  7 05:56:00 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:56:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
References: Conversation <20000301160024.7210.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> with last message <000501bf83b7$2cb55b80$a951883e@a4s1s2> <MAPI.Id.0016.00637061732020203030303530303035@MAPI.to.RFC822>
Message-ID: <38C48BE0.815FBB95@concentric.net>


Just to clarify: I was talking about CD *drives*, not
CD *players*. I made the point that all correctly
working CD drives are functionally identical. IMHO,
that's certainly not true of CD players, that can
exhibit big sonic differences, due to DAC, filter
and audio circuitry design.

-- Ron


Tony McKay wrote:
> 
> maybe so, but if you can reliably here a difference then there is a
> difference,
> the diference is not always comensurate with price, always with comensurate
> with your predujices.
> 
> tony
> ----------
> > Ron said:
> >
> > Well, let's not even go into CD players... There
> > is no question that any correctly working CD drive
> > is absolutely, mathematically, identical to any
> > other correctly working CD drive, by definition.
> > We can only discuss this point if you fully
> > understand digital technology.
> 
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Mar  7 06:05:52 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:05:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
References: <65.23314e7.25f580a4@aol.com> <38C4778D.B871FA0@snet.net>
Message-ID: <005501bf87f2$d0855e60$e12f2ac4@coqui.net>

Hey Ed ! Where you been , my friend ? Ed is right, Scott. Let the other
people contribute no matter what. I understand you had a bad experience with
Mr. Needle (what ever you want to call him) but I can assure you that our
beloved Blues was never part of Mr. Sorbothane staff. He use to work in more
interesting jobs at Washington DC.

BUT, I agree to read different points of view with only a single condition:
use courtesy and respect other people feelings. We have just saw an example
of galantry and finese between the people who contributed to the analog vs.
digital debate.

Let's keep it that way. Better for all of us.

The Tape Man

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....


> You obviously must be new to this list or else you would even think such a
thought,
> let alone express it. Mr. Blues has been a member of this community with
input of
> equal insight as a Stephen Sank, Jeff Galin, Carlos, or any of the other
pillars of
> this group.
>
> Sorbothane has been a topic that's been bantered about a bit lately and
certainly I'm
> not the only one who would be interested in sources for info and tweaks...
Even if he
> did work for Jerry (and I don't think he does in any way), I'd still be
interested in
> Mr. Blue's two cents. You should think before you start typing.
>
> Ed
>
> Scalnajim at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Sounds like this person works for Jerry Raskins.  Audiophile not!  Buyer
> > beware!


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From bochar at epix.net  Tue Mar  7 08:12:46 2000
From: bochar at epix.net (bob)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:12:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
References: <004e01bf87e4$dbd49aa0$080b86cc@steve2>
Message-ID: <38C4ABEE.7CBA49BE@epix.net>

Wouldn't this make the Cr-7A and Zx-9, or Zx-7, for that matter, better
than the Dragon?
bob

Stephen Sank wrote:
> 
> No, the ZX-9 has a single direct drive motor, belt coupled to the left
> capstan.  Similar to the BX300/CR-7A type, but with a larger flywheel.
>  The transport is the same as the Dragon otherwise.
> 
> Stephen Sank, Owner
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
> phone/fax 505-296-8795
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> mc/visa/disc/amex
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
> To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Monday, March 06, 2000 12:54 AM
> Subject: AW: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> 
> >Hi Stephen,
> >
> >got a little bin confused about your posting . . .
> >Isn't it true that the ZX-9 has got two double direct driven capstans, too?
> >Are there really any differences in mechanical parts between Dragon and
> >ZX-9?
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> >
> >> The problem I spoke of below pertains exclusively to the Dragon, as it
> was
> >> the only Nak with twin direct drive, digital servo capstan motors.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bob <bochar at epix.net>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 4:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> >>
> >>
> >> >Does this problem exist for any other high end NAKs that you know of, or
> >> >just peculiar to the Dragon?
> >> > You know if audiophiles don't have something to obsess about they can't
> >> >enjoy the music!
> >> >bob
> >> >/;o)
> >> >
> >> >Stephen Sank wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The
> >> Dragon
> >> >> had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to 1992,
> >> I
> >> >> believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year
> >> made,
> >> all
> >> >> Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that may
> >> exist
> >> >> in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
> >> >> auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five or
> so
> >> >> years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have
> ever
> >> seen
> >> >> this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.
> >> What
> >> I
> >> >> have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and
> >> auto-azimuth
> >> >> circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the capstan
> >> servo
> >> >> problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
> >> >> descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.
> >> >>
> >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
> >> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> >> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> >> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> >> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
> >> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> >> Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> >> >>
> >> >> >Thank You Stephen!
> >> >> >Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model I
> >> should
> >> >> look for?
> >> >> >Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Stephen Sank wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for
> >> your
> >> >> >> application.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
> >> >> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> >> >> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> >> >> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
> >> >> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
> >> >> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
> >> >> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
> >> >> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
> >> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> >> >> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >For all Nakophiles:
> >> >> >> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be
> >> bumped
> >> >> >> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial
> >> release. I
> >> >> >> >am of the opinion that a
> >> >> >> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon would
> be
> >> the
> >> >> >> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there another
> >> Nak
> >> >> >> >more suited for this
> >> >> >> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Thanks!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >> >                    1117 West 9th Street, Austin, Texas 78703
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Mar  7 10:08:55 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 04:08:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
References: <004e01bf87e4$dbd49aa0$080b86cc@steve2> <38C4ABEE.7CBA49BE@epix.net>
Message-ID: <000701bf8814$c43cb6e0$b52f2ac4@coqui.net>

Don't think so. I think is the opposite, but anyway, the transport and
mechanics of a deck is only that: part of the whole. The "the whole" is what
make a better deck.

Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: bob <bochar at epix.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?


> Wouldn't this make the Cr-7A and Zx-9, or Zx-7, for that matter, better
> than the Dragon?
> bob
>
> Stephen Sank wrote:
> >
> > No, the ZX-9 has a single direct drive motor, belt coupled to the left
> > capstan.  Similar to the BX300/CR-7A type, but with a larger flywheel.
> >  The transport is the same as the Dragon otherwise.
> >


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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Tue Mar  7 02:29:27 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 06:59:27 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
Message-ID: <002701bf87d4$95743260$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Ron
Sorry to bother you once again- I have not rcd the manual schematics so far.
Can you help me?
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2000 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 Manual



>I believe I did email the schematic to you, when
>you requested it some time ago. I will resend in
>a few days.
>
>-- Ron


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From Scalnajim at aol.com  Tue Mar  7 16:00:22 2000
From: Scalnajim at aol.com (Scalnajim at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:00:22 EST
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
Message-ID: <b2.248b46f.25f67386@aol.com>

First, I have had no bad experiences myself with Jerry Raskin, I just know 
the type of person he is.  I was just warning people to be careful but since 
everybody is an expert about every think then I need not bother.

P.S. I think the Audioquest mat is an outstanding product, like the rest of 
there line.

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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Mar  7 18:03:54 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:03:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
References: <002701bf87d4$95743260$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <38C5367A.DA7855C5@concentric.net>


I have the list of people that want the schematic and
will email as soon as I manage to bring the office
computer up. That's the one with the scanner.

Don't want to bore you with the gory details...
Suffice it to say that I did receive a new system
board as promised, but it, too, was bad. I shipped
it back and just received -- not 10 minutes ago --
a third system board, with the solemn oath of the
vendor that this one *will* work. By now I really
hope so. This computer has been down since last year.
Feels like, last millennium...

I will scan (and email) the schematics as soon as
I have the capability.

Regards,

-- Ron


"Kannan. S" wrote:
> 
> Dear Ron
> Sorry to bother you once again- I have not rcd the manual schematics so far.
> Can you help me?
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron <ronami at yahoo.com>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Friday, February 25, 2000 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 Manual
> 
> >I believe I did email the schematic to you, when
> >you requested it some time ago. I will resend in
> >a few days.
> >
> >-- Ron
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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Mar  7 18:11:52 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:11:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
References: <004e01bf87e4$dbd49aa0$080b86cc@steve2> <38C4ABEE.7CBA49BE@epix.net>
Message-ID: <38C53858.EA9A62FB@concentric.net>


Interesting question. While I was looking for a Dragon to
replace my 582, I corresponded with several Nak owners and
someone that owned both decks made the comment that, if
reversing was not an issue, the CR-7a was a better choice
than the Dragon. He was referring to PB sound quality,
though, not specifically to the transport.

-- Ron

bob wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't this make the Cr-7A and Zx-9, or Zx-7, for that matter, better
> than the Dragon?
> bob
> 
> Stephen Sank wrote:
> >
> > No, the ZX-9 has a single direct drive motor, belt coupled to the left
> > capstan.  Similar to the BX300/CR-7A type, but with a larger flywheel.
> >  The transport is the same as the Dragon otherwise.
> >
> >
> > >Hi Stephen,
> > >
> > >got a little bin confused about your posting . . .
> > >Isn't it true that the ZX-9 has got two double direct driven capstans, too?
> > >Are there really any differences in mechanical parts between Dragon and
> > >ZX-9?
> > >
> > > Klaus
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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Mar  7 18:26:53 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:26:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Sorbothane Info....
References: <b2.248b46f.25f67386@aol.com>
Message-ID: <38C53BDD.178C25F@concentric.net>

Scalnajim at aol.com wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> P.S. I think the Audioquest mat is an outstanding
> product, like the rest of there line.
> 

Never said it wasn't. Just that I didn't like the value
($90 for a mat). Yes, I do realize that esoteric items
cannot be priced like mass products -- I still think it's
outrageous.

I also didn't appreciate the false claims used to push
it. Yes, I do realize that this is common among high
end audio companies. I can show similar hype from such
respected names as Monster, MTI, Sharp, Carver and even
Vandersteen.

-- Ron
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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Tue Mar  7 19:42:32 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:42:32 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
In-Reply-To: <86256895.000469D0.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
References: <86256895.000469D0.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
Message-ID: <f04310100b4eae8e37651@[142.58.121.13]>

Hi George ...

you wrote ...

>I would definitely like to listen to a clean, original pressing of 
>Bitches Brew
>someday ... as I would like to find a sealed, mono vinyl of Sgt. Pepper's.

Sorry cannot help you there

>(Again, the CD reissue of Bitches Brew is strangely inadequate to 
>me:  is it my
>imagination, or is Miles' echo trumpet missed at some point in 
>Pharoah's Dance?)

If it reproduces off LP and not CD, I would question the CD player, I 
would try other players for a comparison. Also check out the audio 
cables from the CD player, just beware the voodoo cords that are out 
there ($$$$). The cable design of choice (for me) is twisted pair 
w/shield.

>To maintain the purity of the site, a brief story about recording 
>tapes.  I have
>a Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2 and a NAD Cassette Deck 612 on my system.  I have
>been dissatisfied with the tapes I have been recording on the Nak for my Sony
>Walkman:  they come out too "boomy" and bass distorted.

You raise several questions, are you using Type I, Type II or Type IV?
As you know, the Owner's Manual for the Cassette Deck 2 recommends 
for Types I & II quote:

"Set the level so that the +5 dB indicator segment lights up on signal peaks"

For Metal tape: "Set the level so that the +8 dB indicator segment 
lights up on signal peaks"

Note the word "peaks".

Now as I do not have more details I can only surmise that:

If you are using Metal tape, then there's the distortion problem. The 
Walkman (using my daughter's "Sport" as a reference) only plays 
Normal (I) and Chrome tape (II). Metal tape levels are way too hot, 
plus you are subjecting the heads to excessive head wear.

Check playback EQ settings on the Walkman. A lot of people over look 
this setting. If you are using type I tape on a type II setting you'd 
get "boomy" sound with rolled off highs. Type II with a type I 
playback eq provides an excentuated highend partly due to the rolled 
out bottom end (read: no bass).

Do you use Dolby? If not, I think you realise the consequences should 
the itsy, bitsy on/off switch on the Walkman be "on". If you do use 
Dolby, chances are the Walkman's azmyth is slightly off compared to 
the Deck 2.

>I asked one of the pros at Saturday Audio Exchange here in Chicago about the
>problem.  He told me:  record on the NAD.

I'd use the Deck 2 (of course).

>Apparently, the Nak has (help me here) too much rollover, or something.
>I tried it, and though I am still experimenting, it does seem like 
>the NAD is better when >recording for the Walkman.

I suspect that one of the reasons for Nakamichi's reputation is the 
fact that they can print to tape, frequencies down to 20Hz. Which 
could be another reason for you sonic problem, maybe the Walkman 
cannot reproduce the extended bass and as a result:

i. the head saturates
ii. and if the head can handle the low frequencies, the op amp 
following the head is overloading. Either way, distortion. Another 
reason to watch your recording levels.

>Any comments out there about that?  Not that I am abandoning the 
>Nak, oh no.  It
>still sounds great, by any other means.

>George

Remember TDK is the Nakamichi tape of choice unless you rebias for a 
different tape stock.

Anyone try Ampex? They only manufacture one kind for cassette, type II.

And hey everybody, we all know of TDK SA, anyone ever seen TDK SR?

Continue with the experimenting George, maybe just a little less 
level is all you need.

One last side note, my daughter copies some of my vinyl collection to 
cassette using my Deck 2 for her JVC mini system (no complaints). She 
put one on in the car the other day, I had to change the Graphic EQ 
(there are 3 memories I set for different sounding FM stations) to 
normal (flat).

Des

PS. Uh George, I just thought of something, what headphones are you using?



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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Mar  7 20:26:08 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:26:08 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
Message-ID: <003601bf886b$10a525c0$080b86cc@steve2>

In some ways, I do prefer the direct/belt dual capstan motor system, and the
ZX-9, in fact, has slightly lower wow/flutter, usually, than the Dragon.
However, the Dragon has better speed stability, given a properly set servo.
The Sankyo direct/belt cap motor, ala BX300, CR-7, CR-5, CR-4, & MR-1, has a
bit higher w/f, at 0.025 percent, vs the Dragon's 0.015 & ZX-9's 0.012
percent(based on my experiential measurements).  The CR-7 is my personal
favorite sonically, but it would have been nice if it had been built with
the ZX-9 transport.

Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone/fax 505-296-8795
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
mc/visa/disc/amex
-----Original Message-----
From: bob <bochar at epix.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?


>Wouldn't this make the Cr-7A and Zx-9, or Zx-7, for that matter, better
>than the Dragon?
>bob
>
>Stephen Sank wrote:
>>
>> No, the ZX-9 has a single direct drive motor, belt coupled to the left
>> capstan.  Similar to the BX300/CR-7A type, but with a larger flywheel.
>>  The transport is the same as the Dragon otherwise.
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
>> phone/fax 505-296-8795
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> mc/visa/disc/amex
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fendt Klaus <Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de>
>> To: 'naktalk at naks.com' <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Monday, March 06, 2000 12:54 AM
>> Subject: AW: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>>
>> >Hi Stephen,
>> >
>> >got a little bin confused about your posting . . .
>> >Isn't it true that the ZX-9 has got two double direct driven capstans,
too?
>> >Are there really any differences in mechanical parts between Dragon and
>> >ZX-9?
>> >
>> > Klaus
>> >
>> >
>> >> The problem I spoke of below pertains exclusively to the Dragon, as it
>> was
>> >> the only Nak with twin direct drive, digital servo capstan motors.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: bob <bochar at epix.net>
>> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 4:32 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Does this problem exist for any other high end NAKs that you know of,
or
>> >> >just peculiar to the Dragon?
>> >> > You know if audiophiles don't have something to obsess about they
can't
>> >> >enjoy the music!
>> >> >bob
>> >> >/;o)
>> >> >
>> >> >Stephen Sank wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't know of any specific Dragon's for sale at the moment.  The
>> >> Dragon
>> >> >> had virtually no production changes during it's long run(1982 to
1992,
>> >> I
>> >> >> believe), but, of course, the newer the better.  Whatever the year
>> >> made,
>> >> all
>> >> >> Dragon's should be checked for a ubiquitously common mistake that
may
>> >> exist
>> >> >> in the digital capstan servo circuit, which can cause tape damage &
>> >> >> auto-azimuth problems.  If a unit has been to me in the last five
or
>> so
>> >> >> years, it will have been corrected.  Otherwise, I can't say I have
>> ever
>> >> seen
>> >> >> this problem addressed by anyone else, not even Nak's own service.
>> >> What
>> >> I
>> >> >> have seen is a lot of unnecessary pinch roller replacements and
>> >> auto-azimuth
>> >> >> circuit alterations performed due to lack of awareness of the
capstan
>> >> servo
>> >> >> problems.  I believe several of my "Naktalk" customers can be more
>> >> >> descriptive of their experiences before having this problem solved.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
>> >> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> >> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> >> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>> >> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>> >> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
>> >> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
>> >> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
>> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> >> Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:43 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Thank You Stephen!
>> >> >> >Now can you guide path me to one? Is there a particular year model
I
>> >> should
>> >> >> look for?
>> >> >> >Ah, I see you are a McIntosh Technician also! Most Impressive!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Stephen Sank wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I think there is no doubt that the Dragon is the best choice for
>> >> your
>> >> >> >> application.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner
>> >> >> >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> >> >> >> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> >> >> >> 7611 Menaul Boulevard N.E.
>> >> >> >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87110 ]
>> >> >> >> 505-296-8795 phone/fax
>> >> >> >> mc/visa/disc/amex
>> >> >> >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> From: Ken Box <kbox at jump.net>
>> >> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> >> >> >> Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:51 PM
>> >> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon or ?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >For all Nakophiles:
>> >> >> >> >I have a library of cassettes recorded on different decks to be
>> >> bumped
>> >> >> >> >to digital format for editing, polishing, etc. for commercial
>> >> release. I
>> >> >> >> >am of the opinion that a
>> >> >> >> >fully restored, aligned, and calibrated, late model Dragon
would
>> be
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> >world's most optimum tool for accomplishing this. Is there
another
>> >> Nak
>> >> >> >> >more suited for this
>> >> >> >> >purpose?  I would also need pricing and availability info.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Thanks!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar  7 21:20:05 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:20:05 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] THOUGHTS OF GRAHAM ...
In-Reply-To: <65.235e9c9.25f5c17b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001bf8872$86f02e80$3568883e@a4s1s2>


Scalnajim wrote:

First, I'm not talking about sorbothane, I'm talking about Jerry Raskins.

Thank you for the clarification.  From your first note it appeared you were
denigrating our Mr Blues, who does have an interest in audio and is an
honest man.  If you revisit your note, I think you will understand why you
were misunderstood and also appreciate why your e-mail note did not receive
as welcome a reception as it might otherwise have done.  That cleared up, I
hope we can put this behind us because, as a former employee of Mr Raskins
store, doubtless you will have picked up some knowledge of Nak's and hi fi
in general that would be of considerable interest to the other subscribers
to this list.

I don't know how many times you have met Jerry Raskins, but I have had the
mis-fortune of working for the Needle Doctor over eight years ago while I
was
attending college at the University of Minnesota.  I have also run across
him
many times since.  Let me tell you, he ........ (I will not repeat the
accusation to avoid the risk of litigation.)

Misrepresentation of goods for sale is one thing (e.g. snake oil selling)
but making a profit is quite another.  Personally, I see nothing wrong with
making a profit provided it is achieved honestly.  The price of any goods or
services are whatever the market can bare.   "Worth" or "value" is not some
Universal Truth but whatever individuals decide it to be.   Thus, $90 for a
TT mat may seem a rip-off to some people and not to others.  A gold ring at
$5k may seem wonderful value to some but not to the scrap metal merchant who
sees only the market value of the metal, not what it has been made into,
which might be as little as $500.   Indeed, can we really say that the
market value of some models of Nakamichi cassette decks are not
disproportionate when compared with other high quality decks from other
manufacturers?  Is a mint Dragon selling in the UK for £1200 a " rip off"
compared with a mind Revox B215 selling for £600, or even a Nak CR7E at
£500???

However ...philosophy aside, I think there is a more serious issue to be
considered here:

I'm not sure what laws we are governed by but, whatever the true nature of
Mr Raskins, I suggest we must be very careful not to fall foul of the laws
pertaining to libel, or slander, whichever it is that applies to e-mail.
(Any lawyers out there to advise?)   Mr Raskins might take exception to this
accusation regardless of its foundation and sue.  Who of us would be happy
to finance the lawyers?

In any case, my own view is that we should discourage personal/professional
attacks especially when they are upon people who are not part of this List
and do not, therefore, have the opportunity to defend themselves.

Being serious for a change ...

Graham



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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar  7 22:22:56 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:22:56 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
In-Reply-To: <19991127.091740.3574.0.tidybear@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000701bf887b$4e2ead20$3568883e@a4s1s2>


Guys!

Remember that debate we had about the future of cassette and how I said I'll
bet someone will eventually make limited editions of some of the favourite
decks?

Well, I just heard that someone called Jason Scott is hand-building Tandberg
3014A cassette machines and selling them on for $4k a go !!!

Stephen - buy yourself the manufacturing rights for Nak Dragons and CR7's
and start up shop in the Repro' business!!  (Hey, I may even buy a share of
the business!)

Graham

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From somperfeito at somperfeito.com  Tue Mar  7 22:53:14 2000
From: somperfeito at somperfeito.com (Nestor Natividade)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:53:14 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] THOUGHTS OF GRAHAM ...
References: <000001bf8872$86f02e80$3568883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <001d01bf887f$8d839c20$6f5abcc8@bao>

Thank you, Graham Nelson, to describe with your words my own thoughts.

Nestor

------------------ Original Message --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  From:      Graham Nelson 
  To:          naktalk at naks.com 
  Sent:       Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:20 PM
  Subject:  [naktalk] THOUGHTS OF GRAHAM ...

  Scalnajim wrote:

  > First, I'm not talking about sorbothane, I'm talking about Jerry Raskins.

  Thank you for the clarification. From your first note it appeared you were denigrating our Mr Blues, who does have an interest in audio and is an honest man. If you revisit your note, I think you will understand why you were misunderstood and also appreciate why your e-mail note did not receive as welcome a reception as it might otherwise have done. That cleared up, I hope we can put this behind us because, as a former employee of Mr Raskins store, doubtless you will have picked up some knowledge of Nak's and hi fi in general that would be of considerable interest to the other subscribers to this list.

  > I don't know how many times you have met Jerry Raskins, but I have had the mis-fortune of working for the        > Needle Doctor over eight years ago while I was attending college at the University > of Minnesota.  I have also  > run across him many times since.  Let me tell you, he ........ 
  (I will not repeat the accusation to avoid the risk of litigation.)

  Misrepresentation of goods for sale is one thing (e.g. snake oil selling) but making a profit is quite another. Personally, I see nothing wrong with making a profit provided it is achieved honestly. The price of any goods or services are whatever the market can bare. "Worth" or "value" is not some Universal Truth but whatever individuals decide it to be. Thus, $90 for a TT mat may seem a rip-off to some people and not to others. A gold ring at $5k may seem wonderful value to some but not to the scrap metal merchant who sees only the market value of the metal, not what it has been made into, which might be as little as $500. Indeed, can we really say that the market value of some models of Nakamichi cassette decks are not disproportionate when compared with other high quality decks from other manufacturers?  Is a mint Dragon selling in the UK for £1200 a " rip off" compared with a mind Revox B215 selling for £600, or even a Nak CR7E at £500???

  However ...philosophy aside, I think there is a more serious issue to be considered here:

  I'm not sure what laws we are governed by but, whatever the true nature of Mr Raskins, I suggest we must be very careful not to fall foul of the laws pertaining to libel, or slander, whichever it is that applies to e-mail. (Any lawyers out there to advise?) Mr Raskins might take exception to this accusation regardless of its foundation and sue. Who of us would be happy to finance the lawyers?

  In any case, my own view is that we should discourage personal/professional attacks especially when they are upon people who are not part of this List and do not, therefore, have the opportunity to defend themselves.

  Being serious for a change ...

  Graham
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Tue Mar  7 23:13:24 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:13:24 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
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They'll be just like custom turntables some day.  The Cassette is still out
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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar  8 00:44:48 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:44:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] THOUGHTS OF GRAHAM ...
References: <000001bf8872$86f02e80$3568883e@a4s1s2> <001d01bf887f$8d839c20$6f5abcc8@bao>
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   In any case, my own view is that we should discourage personal/professional attacks especially when they are upon people who are not part of this List and do not, therefore, have the opportunity to defend themselves.

  Being serious for a change ...

  I think the above paragraph can be taken as part of our "code of conduct" in this list. I'm the first one to vote for that !

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar  8 00:46:46 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:46:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
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----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 4:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE


>
> Guys!
>
> Remember that debate we had about the future of cassette and how I said
I'll
> bet someone will eventually make limited editions of some of the favourite
> decks?
>
> Well, I just heard that someone called Jason Scott is hand-building
Tandberg
> 3014A cassette machines and selling them on for $4k a go !!!
>
The question is: how many they're expecting to sell at that price ? Not me
...

Carlos

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar  8 00:50:40 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:50:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
References: <8625689B.0079C514.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>
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> They'll be just like custom turntables some day.  The Cassette is still
out
> there: any talk of its demise is premature, to say the least.

I have been hearing this since 1990 and the cassette still going strong,
well, at least over 200 million units a year. In gospel and christian music
cassette is very strong as well as the rap market. BUT, long gone are the 3
shifts, 24 hours a day cassette manufacturing plants. 90% of the cassettes
manufactured are for spoken word material. The offiial predictions are: 5
more years in the "states", 6-7 in Puerto Rico and 10 in the republics
including middle east and India. By the way, India is by far the biggest
cassette consumer right now and they're saying they would be reaching othe
600 million units per year by 2003.

Hope to be in India manufacturing cassettes ...

The Tape Man




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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Tue Mar  7 23:47:15 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:47:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
References: <000701bf887b$4e2ead20$3568883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <01a801bf8887$16fb6580$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi!

I'll be part of it! Count on me.

Mike

> Stephen - buy yourself the manufacturing rights for Nak Dragons and CR7's
> and start up shop in the Repro' business!!  (Hey, I may even buy a share
of
> the business!)
>
> Graham

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From atan at myna.com  Wed Mar  8 00:12:03 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 18:12:03 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
Message-ID: <38C58CC1.FCE57429@myna.com>

Hello Carlos,

How about we all get together and get into the tape business
in India?  Don't forget the other countries like Indonesia
( pop: 190,000,000 ) where tapes are alive, well AND thriving!
Even though they get the latest tech from Japan SOONER than
it reaches us here ( my wife, after a bit of time here, went over
 a few years back, and when she was at her friend's,  saw what
appeared to be CDs on the floor with cases which had movie
posters on them, and she asked her friend how come they had
SO  many soundtracks, to which her friend answered " They're
DVDs...which VILLAGE did you just come from?"  Oops!),
but only the well to do can afford them.

Still a LOT of music there available ONLY on cassette, and
since there are less TVs than cassette decks, more people have
time to listen to tapes than watch the boob tube. Then there's
the Philippines, and Thailand, and Myanmar and... Hey!
I can see a business opportunity forming here...

Regards,
A.

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 00:36:03 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:36:03 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
In-Reply-To: <001d01bf888f$66dfb120$c1302ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <000201bf888d$e7422020$f21e883e@a4s1s2>

The question is: how many they're expecting to sell at that price ? Not me
...

Carlos

Yes .... It'll be interesting to see if the company is still making them in
12 months time ...

Graham

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Wed Mar  8 01:30:24 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:30:24 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Re: V1 #215 - Sorbo Snake Oil Talkin' Blues....
Message-ID: <NHECJDBOKNHMCAAA@angelfire.com>

So, Jerry Raskins may not appear to be as well regarded among audiophiles as I believed!  Particularly the high and mighty among us!!! I guess that kind of treatment comes with the territory in the high-end audio business.  No problem here though, I wasn't staking my reputation on what my personal impressions were during the short 20 minute chat I had with the Doctor.  Maybe he does sell snake oil to the unsuspecting, not me though - I visited Raskins with a purpose in mind, investigating a replacement cartridge for my turntable (Grado Platinum Reference), and to query about the use of Sorbothane. Convenient for me, since my wife's family lives in the Twin Cities, and we visit there occasionally.  Anyway, mission accomplished, and I thought it would be good to share some of that info with my NakTalk brethern.......

I noticed that some appreciated the effort, others didn't.  Comes with the territory, huh?

Come on now, let's not get so personal about such a trivial matter.  I only placed Raskins' website address on NakTalk so whomever wanted to purchase a slab of Sorbo could do so.  No need to seriously read into my neo-audiophile opinions (hey, I collect classic mid-fi gear, like Nakamichi, Marantz, Thorens, Rotel, Avid), that was merely my subjective assessment of what I observed and heard from the Needle Doctor of Minnesota.

To reiterate my recent words on the Sorbothane thread, "I hope this info helps any of you 
that want to experiment with Sorbothane, and kindly inform us Nakkers if you find ways of using this material to tweak cassette deck performance."

My intent was straightforward, that we find useful ways to incorporate Sorbothane dampening to our beloved cassette decks, to improve performance. 

Peace, let's move on......


Mr Blues

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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Wed Mar  8 02:05:21 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 03:05:21 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
References: <38C58CC1.FCE57429@myna.com>
Message-ID: <002101bf889a$620689c0$6f6f6f6f@1>

Hi Andrew and Carlos,

So I'm also available for any of such a projects :)
I like South-East Asia!

Misha

> Hello Carlos,
> 
> How about we all get together and get into the tape business
> in India?  Don't forget the other countries like Indonesia

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Wed Mar  8 02:02:58 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:02:58 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
Message-ID: <003001bf889b$22293ea0$080b86cc@steve2>

Jason-Scott has been the US importer for Tandberg for a number of years.
They are simply that.  They are buying what they can persuade Tandberg to
continue building & charging absurdly.  If you look on their website, you'll
see they are trying to get $8000 for the open reel TD-20A-SE, which retailed
previously for under $2000, and was barely worth even that, compared to a
Revox PR99 or B77 for slightly more.
As for replicating Dragon's, etc., once I get into production on new Moscode
tube-hybrid amps & preamps (I have a deal in the works to buy & resurrect
the label), I'd definitely consider it, although I don't know if Nakamichi
will.


Stephen Sank, Owner
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://emall-online.com/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone/fax 505-296-8795
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
mc/visa/disc/amex
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 2:27 PM
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE


>
>Guys!
>
>Remember that debate we had about the future of cassette and how I said
I'll
>bet someone will eventually make limited editions of some of the favourite
>decks?
>
>Well, I just heard that someone called Jason Scott is hand-building
Tandberg
>3014A cassette machines and selling them on for $4k a go !!!
>
>Stephen - buy yourself the manufacturing rights for Nak Dragons and CR7's
>and start up shop in the Repro' business!!  (Hey, I may even buy a share of
>the business!)
>
>Graham
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Mar  8 02:21:46 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:21:46 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
Message-ID: <8625689C.00072E0C.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

For the "states," not until you can go into Walgreen's or Osco's drugstore, and
buy a Sony Walkman that plays mini-discs for 17-20 bucks.



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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Mar  8 02:25:12 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:25:12 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <8625689C.00077DC0.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

Oh, the standard headphones you find on your basic, stock, Sony Walkman. Thanks
for the tips, I will add them into the experimentation equation.



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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Mar  8 02:27:28 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:27:28 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
Message-ID: <8625689C.0007B36B.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

Meanwhile .... has anyone heard Nakamachi's latest versions of tape decks, the
DK-9 and DK-10, I believe.



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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar  8 05:23:28 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:23:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
References: <003001bf889b$22293ea0$080b86cc@steve2>
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> As for replicating Dragon's, etc., once I get into production on new
Moscode
> tube-hybrid amps & preamps (I have a deal in the works to buy & resurrect
> the label), I'd definitely consider it, although I don't know if Nakamichi
> will.

Count me in as an investor !

Carlos

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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar  8 05:26:08 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:26:08 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
References: <38C58CC1.FCE57429@myna.com> <002101bf889a$620689c0$6f6f6f6f@1>
Message-ID: <001501bf88b6$6dc4c260$292f2ac4@coqui.net>


>
> > Hello Carlos,
> >
> > How about we all get together and get into the tape business
> > in India?  Don't forget the other countries like Indonesia
>
Hi Misha:

We considered India for a while but due to lack of support from the indian
government towards foreign companies, different language, different
religions and culture, gov. innestability and many other things, we changed
our minds.

Carlos


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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar  8 05:35:06 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:35:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
References: <38C58CC1.FCE57429@myna.com>
Message-ID: <004301bf88b7$ae2de7e0$292f2ac4@coqui.net>

> Hello Carlos,
>
> How about we all get together and get into the tape business
> in India?

I have never been in India but I can send a duplication line there if I find
the correct partners. Hey Blues! forget about the Porshe and let's make some
business out of Madison and let's get with Andy to India ...

Carlos

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From brianwinans at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  8 04:16:41 2000
From: brianwinans at hotmail.com (brian winans)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 03:16:41 GMT
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <20000308031641.9946.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hey George,
I have a pristine Jap. mono version of Sgt. Peppers. I would not be willing 
to sell it, but I will make you a copy. I can do casette, Mini disc, or CDR.
Brian

>From: Desmond Hidson <cjsfeng at sfu.ca>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
>Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:42:32 -0800
>
>Hi George ...
>
>you wrote ...
>
>>I would definitely like to listen to a clean, original pressing of
>>Bitches Brew
>>someday ... as I would like to find a sealed, mono vinyl of Sgt. Pepper's.
>
>Sorry cannot help you there
>
>>(Again, the CD reissue of Bitches Brew is strangely inadequate to
>>me:  is it my
>>imagination, or is Miles' echo trumpet missed at some point in
>>Pharoah's Dance?)
>
>If it reproduces off LP and not CD, I would question the CD player, I
>would try other players for a comparison. Also check out the audio
>cables from the CD player, just beware the voodoo cords that are out
>there ($$$$). The cable design of choice (for me) is twisted pair
>w/shield.
>
>>To maintain the purity of the site, a brief story about recording
>>tapes.  I have
>>a Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2 and a NAD Cassette Deck 612 on my system.  I 
>>have
>>been dissatisfied with the tapes I have been recording on the Nak for my 
>>Sony
>>Walkman:  they come out too "boomy" and bass distorted.
>
>You raise several questions, are you using Type I, Type II or Type IV?
>As you know, the Owner's Manual for the Cassette Deck 2 recommends
>for Types I & II quote:
>
>"Set the level so that the +5 dB indicator segment lights up on signal 
>peaks"
>
>For Metal tape: "Set the level so that the +8 dB indicator segment
>lights up on signal peaks"
>
>Note the word "peaks".
>
>Now as I do not have more details I can only surmise that:
>
>If you are using Metal tape, then there's the distortion problem. The
>Walkman (using my daughter's "Sport" as a reference) only plays
>Normal (I) and Chrome tape (II). Metal tape levels are way too hot,
>plus you are subjecting the heads to excessive head wear.
>
>Check playback EQ settings on the Walkman. A lot of people over look
>this setting. If you are using type I tape on a type II setting you'd
>get "boomy" sound with rolled off highs. Type II with a type I
>playback eq provides an excentuated highend partly due to the rolled
>out bottom end (read: no bass).
>
>Do you use Dolby? If not, I think you realise the consequences should
>the itsy, bitsy on/off switch on the Walkman be "on". If you do use
>Dolby, chances are the Walkman's azmyth is slightly off compared to
>the Deck 2.
>
>>I asked one of the pros at Saturday Audio Exchange here in Chicago about 
>>the
>>problem.  He told me:  record on the NAD.
>
>I'd use the Deck 2 (of course).
>
>>Apparently, the Nak has (help me here) too much rollover, or something.
>>I tried it, and though I am still experimenting, it does seem like
>>the NAD is better when >recording for the Walkman.
>
>I suspect that one of the reasons for Nakamichi's reputation is the
>fact that they can print to tape, frequencies down to 20Hz. Which
>could be another reason for you sonic problem, maybe the Walkman
>cannot reproduce the extended bass and as a result:
>
>i. the head saturates
>ii. and if the head can handle the low frequencies, the op amp
>following the head is overloading. Either way, distortion. Another
>reason to watch your recording levels.
>
>>Any comments out there about that?  Not that I am abandoning the
>>Nak, oh no.  It
>>still sounds great, by any other means.
>
>>George
>
>Remember TDK is the Nakamichi tape of choice unless you rebias for a
>different tape stock.
>
>Anyone try Ampex? They only manufacture one kind for cassette, type II.
>
>And hey everybody, we all know of TDK SA, anyone ever seen TDK SR?
>
>Continue with the experimenting George, maybe just a little less
>level is all you need.
>
>One last side note, my daughter copies some of my vinyl collection to
>cassette using my Deck 2 for her JVC mini system (no complaints). She
>put one on in the car the other day, I had to change the Graphic EQ
>(there are 3 memories I set for different sounding FM stations) to
>normal (flat).
>
>Des
>
>PS. Uh George, I just thought of something, what headphones are you using?
>
>
>
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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Mar  8 04:46:34 2000
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:16:34 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
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From atan at myna.com  Wed Mar  8 04:55:41 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:55:41 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
References: <38C58CC1.FCE57429@myna.com> <002101bf889a$620689c0$6f6f6f6f@1> <001501bf88b6$6dc4c260$292f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <38C5CF38.9091A2A9@myna.com>

Hey Hey Carlos,

That was my post you were replying to! But Misha wants to join the
party too.. ... heh..heh..

Lack of govt. support huh? Different language, different religions,
different  culture...instability.. NOW  you're making the whole thing
sound irresistible! India sounds like a party! That's usually the best
business environment I find, rather than set ruts to work in...makes
it all seem too much like a 9 to 5 job if everything's all set up. Think
about it... your tapes belting out Bengali, Hindustani or Gujerati tunes
as the little buses weave like mad through traffic!

I've suddenly got this craving for curry, I have.....

Andrew.

Carlos wrote:

> >
> > > Hello Carlos,
> > >
> > > How about we all get together and get into the tape business
> > > in India?  Don't forget the other countries like Indonesia
> >
> Hi Misha:
>
> We considered India for a while but due to lack of support from the indian
> government towards foreign companies, different language, different
> religions and culture, gov. innestability and many other things, we changed
> our minds.
>
> Carlos
>
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Mar  8 05:04:59 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:04:59 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: FS:Nakamichi decks]
Message-ID: <8625689C.00161EF1.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

Really!  Sure, I'm interested.  Cassette would be fine, but ... what is CDR?



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From atan at myna.com  Wed Mar  8 05:09:58 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:09:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
References: <38C58CC1.FCE57429@myna.com> <002101bf889a$620689c0$6f6f6f6f@1>
Message-ID: <38C5D291.3AE466D9@myna.com>

Hello Misha,

Which part of S.E Asia have you been to? Tapes REALLY
are alive there, aren't they? The advent of CDs only made it
easier for stores to make 'custom' tapes for people... just pop
on down to the local music store, check out what they have,
and write up your own selection list, pick your cassette of choice,
the bargain  'Sony'  , the middling ' CrO2' or  Ooooooo,
the 'METAL'(for BIG spenders only!). One of the best ways to
get into a girl's good books was to make her a 'special' tape...

Used to be they had vinyl to tape off of, vinyl + tapes !
AAiiieee caramba! They sounded nice...*sniff* *sniff*...
brings a tear to me eye it does...

A.


MVM wrote:

> Hi Andrew and Carlos,
>
> So I'm also available for any of such a projects :)
> I like South-East Asia!
>
> Misha
>
> > Hello Carlos,
> >
> > How about we all get together and get into the tape business
> > in India?  Don't forget the other countries like Indonesia
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Mar  8 05:14:16 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:14:16 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
Message-ID: <8625689C.0016F92F.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

They also have nuclear weapons, and they may be used, soon ......



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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Mar  8 05:24:50 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:24:50 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
Message-ID: <8625689C.0017EFF5.00@amrhm1101.ac.com>

Sorry about the mention of nuclear weapons, but really, that does scare me.



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From kannan_s at vsnl.com  Wed Mar  8 05:27:07 2000
From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:57:07 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
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From atan at myna.com  Wed Mar  8 05:49:52 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:49:52 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
References: <200003080427.JAA16994@mypage.vsnl.com>
Message-ID: <38C5DBE9.9E60A19E@myna.com>

Hello Kannan!

Hold on here, I thought that India had THE largest film industry...
When did Hollywood outstrip 'Bollywood'? Wow, am I behind or
what? I DO hear that there are plenty of good prospects in India..
definitely worth investigating...whaddya say Carlos..? We can
fight the cassette fight!

As for the nuclear threat ...well danger lies in the eyes of the beholder,
no?

A.



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From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:03:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
References: <200003080346.JAA07900@mypage.vsnl.com>
Message-ID: <000b01bf88c3$fb9f8900$292f2ac4@coqui.net>

Kannan, please let's talk out of the list, please. I'm really very
interested to know more about opportunities in India.

Carlos
copytec at coqui.net

----- Original Message -----
From: <kannan_s at vsnl.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] INDIA!


>
> Here in India except Sony / most other brands of prerecorded cassettes are
terrible in Quality partly because of Price sensiyive Indian Market! And
above all you have plenty of cassette pirates who own almost 35 -40% of
business here. However Silverlining is that Sony is selling their good
quality Pre recorded cassettes well as Indian Consumers are willing to pay
for quality products now. CD is catching on as large numeber of CD players
are available now but everybody uses both the medium for convenience. Carlos
and team should enter premium Prerecorded segment as Cd's are 4 times the
price of Premium prerecorded cassettes _ Prerecorded Sony albums cost about
3 USD / whereas CD' are about 10 - 12 USD. Since Indis is witnessing
Economic boom due to Large IT professionals working in US ( including both
my Brothers and our company Directors !) we have now good amount of
Disposable income (- including mine as I am part of an IT company doing
business with many countries)
>
> India is also Cheap on labour costs and running costs - I do not know the
comparison of Puerto Rico.  Indian Premium segment itself will be huge
considering our population!
>
> Indian Music Industry itself is huge and hope cassette medium will be
ruling next 5 - 8 Years unless CD prices come down
> You need any help to explore I am sure to help you!
> Kannan
> Bangalore - India
> MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua wrote:


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From copytec at coqui.net  Wed Mar  8 07:07:53 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:07:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] INDIA!
References: <200003080427.JAA16994@mypage.vsnl.com> <38C5DBE9.9E60A19E@myna.com>
Message-ID: <000b01bf88c4$a4527c60$292f2ac4@coqui.net>


   I DO hear that there are plenty of good prospects in India.. 
  definitely worth investigating...whaddya say Carlos..? We can 
  fight the cassette fight! 

  Sure, at least it worth a try. I'm sure that Kannan can enlight us more on the subject.



  Carlos

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From stemcor at techno-link.com  Wed Mar  8 08:57:22 2000
From: stemcor at techno-link.com (stemcor)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:57:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE
References: <000701bf887b$4e2ead20$3568883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <006a01bf88d5$44ec1f40$2c0024d4@infosysbank.com>

This is crazy ! Tandberg are still making them and they are selling them
brand new for $1000-$1200 (I can't remember exactly, plus the exchange rate
is changing).

George
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: 07 Ìàðò 2000 ã. 23:22
Subject: [naktalk] THE FUTURE OF CASSETTE


>
> Guys!
>
> Remember that debate we had about the future of cassette and how I said
I'll
> bet someone will eventually make limited editions of some of the favourite
> decks?
>
> Well, I just heard that someone called Jason Scott is hand-building
Tandberg
> 3014A cassette machines and selling them on for $4k a go !!!
>
> Stephen - buy yourself the manufacturing rights for Nak Dragons and CR7's
> and start up shop in the Repro' business!!  (Hey, I may even buy a share
of
> the business!)
>
> Graham
>
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From nakamikaze at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  8 10:14:11 2000
From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:14:11 CET
Subject: [naktalk] 582 Manual
Message-ID: <20000308091411.19805.qmail@hotmail.com>

I own too 582 and am electronician apprentice, I will be happy to recieve 
its shemas, as its bias circuit collapsed... :O)
      Here is my adress : NakamiKaze at hotmail.com
regards
Matyas

>From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 Manual
>Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:03:54 -0500
>
>
>I have the list of people that want the schematic and
>will email as soon as I manage to bring the office
>computer up. That's the one with the scanner.
>
>Don't want to bore you with the gory details...
>Suffice it to say that I did receive a new system
>board as promised, but it, too, was bad. I shipped
>it back and just received -- not 10 minutes ago --
>a third system board, with the solemn oath of the
>vendor that this one *will* work. By now I really
>hope so. This computer has been down since last year.
>Feels like, last millennium...
>
>I will scan (and email) the schematics as soon as
>I have the capability.
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sat Jun 17 23:31:54 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:31:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
Message-ID: <200006172131.XAA03948@webmail2.xs4all.nl>

Hey Everyone!

Naktalk/Naktalk-digest and the Naktree are back!
It took some time to find the time to reconfigure the naks.com server after the 
major HD crash... Naktalk took even more time, sorry about that.
Now it's back and I would like to thank all of you who have send me mail over 
the past weeks encouraging me to get Naktalk back!

I have made some changes to the members of the list(s) who wanted to be 
unsubscribed, if there are any members who want to get off a list please let me 
know by sending mail to wouter at naks.com, and don't forget to mention the list 
you want to be removed from.

The link on the website to the lists will stay disconnected like it is right 
now, I'm trying to make (un)subscribtions to the lists more easy.

Enjoy the list(s)!

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From lord_galilee at mail.com  Sun Jun 18 08:51:27 2000
From: lord_galilee at mail.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:51:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Excellent!
Message-ID: <381076670.961311087328.JavaMail.root@web313-mc.mail.com>

Hi there all

glad to see it's back so might as well be the first to post [after Wouter,
of course *grins*]

My Nak LX-3 is still going great with one exception - the meter levels are
all wrong. The right channel always plays back at a lower level than the
recorded signal. Does it need recalibration, or could this be indicative of
something deeper, like head wear or the PB head out of alignment?

Prerecorded tapes are fine, both channels are balanced and sound the same,
but tapes recorded on the LX-3 and then played back feature this dropout.

And oh yeah, the deck must be at least 16 years old : ) Got it from a
pawnshop last year.

Cheers
Jason

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From eknath58 at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 18 10:14:59 2000
From: eknath58 at hotmail.com (Eknath Ullikashi)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:14:59 PDT
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
Message-ID: <20000618081459.8007.qmail@hotmail.com>

thank you Wouter, Keep it up!

Eknath


>From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>CC: naktree at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] is back!
>Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:31:54 +0200 (CEST)
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>From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Sat Jun 17 14:43:50 2000
>Message-Id: <200006172131.XAA03948 at webmail2.xs4all.nl>
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>
>Hey Everyone!
>
>Naktalk/Naktalk-digest and the Naktree are back!
>It took some time to find the time to reconfigure the naks.com server after 
>the
>major HD crash... Naktalk took even more time, sorry about that.
>Now it's back and I would like to thank all of you who have send me mail 
>over
>the past weeks encouraging me to get Naktalk back!
>
>I have made some changes to the members of the list(s) who wanted to be
>unsubscribed, if there are any members who want to get off a list please 
>let me
>know by sending mail to wouter at naks.com, and don't forget to mention the 
>list
>you want to be removed from.
>
>The link on the website to the lists will stay disconnected like it is 
>right
>now, I'm trying to make (un)subscribtions to the lists more easy.
>
>Enjoy the list(s)!
>
>Wouter
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sun Jun 18 12:20:58 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:20:58 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
References: <200006172131.XAA03948@webmail2.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <000d01bfd90f$c81ace40$0100007f@1>

Thanks Wouter!!! Life is back again :)))
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sun Jun 18 12:27:16 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:27:16 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Excellent!
References: <381076670.961311087328.JavaMail.root@web313-mc.mail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01bfd90f$c8671980$0100007f@1>

From: Jason Antony <lord_galilee at mail.com>

> My Nak LX-3 is still going great with one exception - the meter levels are
> all wrong. The right channel always plays back at a lower level than the
> recorded signal. Does it need recalibration, or could this be indicative
of
> something deeper, like head wear or the PB head out of alignment?

Hi Jason,

Your LX-3 (a great machine, BTW) need to be reajusted.
Probably only playback level in both channels. You will need
alignment tape (maybe even tape with 1 kHz signal recordered
on a good deck) and AC voltmeter. The trik is very simple -
you will connect voltmeter to line output and check playback
level in both channels. Than ajust playbacl level in the channels
that has dropout. It's all.
However, I would recommend full realignment with a great Stephen Sank :)
It will bring back to life all hidden posibilities of your great deck.
Mike
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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 18 12:27:26 2000
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:27:26 EEST
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
Message-ID: <20000618092726.85356.qmail@hotmail.com>

Yay Wouter !!! Excellent job !!! Thanks very much !!!

George


----Original Message Follows----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
To: naktalk at naks.com
CC: naktree at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:31:54 +0200 (CEST)

Hey Everyone!

Naktalk/Naktalk-digest and the Naktree are back!
It took some time to find the time to reconfigure the naks.com server after 
the
major HD crash... Naktalk took even more time, sorry about that.
Now it's back and I would like to thank all of you who have send me mail 
over
the past weeks encouraging me to get Naktalk back!

I have made some changes to the members of the list(s) who wanted to be
unsubscribed, if there are any members who want to get off a list please let 
me
know by sending mail to wouter at naks.com, and don't forget to mention the 
list
you want to be removed from.

The link on the website to the lists will stay disconnected like it is right
now, I'm trying to make (un)subscribtions to the lists more easy.

Enjoy the list(s)!

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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Jun 18 11:41:38 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:41:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
References: <200006172131.XAA03948@webmail2.xs4all.nl> <000d01bfd90f$c81ace40$0100007f@1>
Message-ID: <394C9952.1A1A81FA@xs4all.nl>


Somethimes it is good to live without something precious so you'll get to appreciate it
even more!

Wouter


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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Jun 18 16:27:22 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:27:22 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
References: <200006172131.XAA03948@webmail2.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <394CDC4A.DDF75E23@concentric.net>

Wouter Heijke wrote:
> 
> Hey Everyone!
> 
> Naktalk/Naktalk-digest and the Naktree are back!

Wonderful. Thanks much for the effort.

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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Jun 18 16:39:48 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:39:48 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Excellent!
References: <381076670.961311087328.JavaMail.root@web313-mc.mail.com>
Message-ID: <394CDF34.AF91C280@concentric.net>

Jason Antony wrote:
> 
> Hi there all
> 
> glad to see it's back so might as well be the first to post [after Wouter,
> of course *grins*]
> 
> My Nak LX-3 is still going great with one exception - the meter levels are
> all wrong. The right channel always plays back at a lower level than the
> recorded signal. Does it need recalibration, or could this be indicative of
> something deeper, like head wear or the PB head out of alignment?
> 
> Prerecorded tapes are fine, both channels are balanced and sound the same,
> but tapes recorded on the LX-3 and then played back feature this dropout.
> 
> And oh yeah, the deck must be at least 16 years old : ) Got it from a
> pawnshop last year.
> 
> Cheers
> Jason
> 

Jason,

If pre-recorded tapes are balanced, than the problem must
lie in
the record, not playback, path.

If the meters show the unbalance during recording, than the
head
is good, since the right channel is attenuated before
reaching the
head.

Your LX-3 may need adjustment, or could have a problem in
the
record signal path. In any case, it needs to be looked at by
a
tech.

Regards,

-- Ron
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From atan at myna.com  Sun Jun 18 17:32:16 2000
From: atan at myna.com (Andrew Tan)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:32:16 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
References: <200006172131.XAA03948@webmail2.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <394CEB7E.6A9716B5@myna.com>

YeeeeeeHahhh!

A.

Wouter Heijke wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
>
> Naktalk/Naktalk-digest and the Naktree are back!
> It took some time to find the time to reconfigure the naks.com server after the
> major HD crash... Naktalk took even more time, sorry about that.
> Now it's back and I would like to thank all of you who have send me mail over
> the past weeks encouraging me to get Naktalk back!
>
> I have made some changes to the members of the list(s) who wanted to be
> unsubscribed, if there are any members who want to get off a list please let me
> know by sending mail to wouter at naks.com, and don't forget to mention the list
> you want to be removed from.
>
> The link on the website to the lists will stay disconnected like it is right
> now, I'm trying to make (un)subscribtions to the lists more easy.
>
> Enjoy the list(s)!
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Sun Jun 18 22:52:01 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:52:01 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] wallpaper
References: <200006172131.XAA03948@webmail2.xs4all.nl> <394CEB7E.6A9716B5@myna.com>
Message-ID: <394D3671.CB417FE2@xs4all.nl>


Ok...

As a special treat here are 2 wallpapers I made for fun...

    http://www.naks.com/wallpaper/

Download them, install them and enjoy them!
Set the 'picture display' to stretch on the Windows (2000) Background tab of the Display
Properties for the best results...

I compiled this image of a BIG Photoshop image I made to make the image on the Naks.com
splash page, yes it was inspired by the fold-out nak brochures you all may know!
Having a couple of Naks in this Photoshop image (in several layers) makes it possible to
display any collection of Naks in this wallpaper....
If you have any requests for a pile of Naks let me know! (depending on the availability
of the models in this image I have...)

Wouter



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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jun 19 05:39:19 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:39:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Hello
References: <200006172131.XAA03948@webmail2.xs4all.nl> <394CEB7E.6A9716B5@myna.com> <394D3671.CB417FE2@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <001401bfd99f$f445b620$782f2ac4@coqui.net>


Hello Fellows !

I'm back too ! Hope everything is ok with every member of this list. My
boring days are over, naktalk is back and better than before.

Cheers !

Carlos,
still The Tape Man

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From szollos at it.cas.cz  Mon Jun 19 08:16:15 2000
From: szollos at it.cas.cz (Andras Szollos)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:16:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
References: <200006172131.XAA03948@webmail2.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <394DBAAF.C5EFB933@it.cas.cz>

Wouter Heijke wrote:
> 
> Hey Everyone!
> 
> Naktalk/Naktalk-digest and the Naktree are back!
> It took some time to find the time to reconfigure the naks.com server after the
> major HD crash... Naktalk took even more time, sorry about that.
> Now it's back and I would like to thank all of you who have send me mail over
> the past weeks encouraging me to get Naktalk back!
> 
> I have made some changes to the members of the list(s) who wanted to be
> unsubscribed, if there are any members who want to get off a list please let me
> know by sending mail to wouter at naks.com, and don't forget to mention the list
> you want to be removed from.
> 
> The link on the website to the lists will stay disconnected like it is right
> now, I'm trying to make (un)subscribtions to the lists more easy.
> 
> Enjoy the list(s)!
> 
> Wouter
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Thank you very much for restoring this lovely list! I missed it quite a
lot.

Andras.
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Mon Jun 19 12:57:27 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:57:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
Message-ID: <394DFC97.889E36D6@xs4all.nl>

I just put the FTP server back online, so all manuals are there again.
One advantage of the new server is that the harddisk is BIGGER!
So if anyone wants to upload:

    ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/

Download manuals from:

    ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/

Download brochures from:

    ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/brochures/

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jun 19 13:45:50 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:45:50 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
In-Reply-To: <394DFC97.889E36D6@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000619134550.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

On 19-Jun-00 Wouter Heijke wrote:
> I just put the FTP server back online, so all manuals are there
> again.

Thats great -- and I could contribute the RX-505 User Manual. All
others are pdf, and I don't see a good way to convert to pdf (I don't
have regular access to a windows based machine). 
Only thing I could do to get pdf is generate a postscriptfile and
convert that to pdf. But than I have to include binary data for all the
scanned pages which will blow up the sice quite significantly, I fear.

Is the djvu (see www.djvu.com for details) acceptable? The viewer for
Intel based Hardware (os windows XX or Linux, I don't know about Mac) is
free, netscape plugins as well. These can print the pages as well.

Or should I do both (djvu and pdf)? 

K.-H.


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Jun 19 15:42:28 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:42:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
References: <394DFC97.889E36D6@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <007e01bfd9f4$363a47e0$c9496acf@johni7l629jlsn>

Anybody have a Nakamichi 700 II Owners Manual for sale?

John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 6:57 AM
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again


> I just put the FTP server back online, so all manuals are there again.
> One advantage of the new server is that the harddisk is BIGGER!
> So if anyone wants to upload:
>
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/
>
> Download manuals from:
>
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
>
> Download brochures from:
>
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/brochures/
>
> Wouter
>
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jun 19 17:11:45 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:11:45 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
In-Reply-To: <007e01bfd9f4$363a47e0$c9496acf@johni7l629jlsn>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000619171145.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

if you can't find somebody on the naklist, there is a nice posibility
here in Germany by now.


On 19-Jun-00 John M. Tooley wrote:
> Anybody have a Nakamichi 700 II Owners Manual for sale?


A German electronics Magazine (ELV) has a *huge* collection of owner
and *service* manuals -- NAK too. They sell copies of a quite good
quality and by now they seem to at least accept some credit cards for
payment. 

The Web page is: 
http://www.elv.de/Main.asp?Menue=Service&SessionId=00008922090710018336

Enable java-script, choose the link Schaltungs-Service, HiFi,
then: enter type in text  field next to "suchen" or probably easier:
choose from the "bitte waehlen" menue button nakamichi and from the
appearing button the right Type number.

Prices: owner manual and service manual seem to be both about 25DM
(13$).


Once you it's there mybe don't work through there fully German pages
but just send them a mail in Englisch :-)

               schaltungsservice at elv.de

And for the Details about shipping and payment.


I got my NAK-505 service manual from them. It doesn't have the big fold
out pages as such, but they copied them with overlap on A4 paper, so
it's fully readable, including the circuit diagrams.



K.-H.


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From khambawati at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 19 17:55:10 2000
From: khambawati at hotmail.com (Debashish Chakravarti)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:55:10 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #221
Message-ID: <20000619155510.87282.qmail@hotmail.com>

"NAKAMICHI SPOKEN HERE": enthusiasts will remember this Nakamichi 
advertising poster of the early 1980s. It could be a fitting motto for this 
website whose return everyone welcomes greatly. The webmaster deserves our 
thanks for his dedication.

2.  A quick question: is there anyone who calibrates(azimuth, level, bias, 
equalisation) Nakamichis to factory standards in India? What are the charges 
in Indian rupees?
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Jun 19 18:25:28 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:25:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
References: <XFMail.000619171145.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <00eb01bfda0a$fb4b7de0$c9496acf@johni7l629jlsn>

Thank you I'll e-mail them.

John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP is also online again


> Hi,
>
> if you can't find somebody on the naklist, there is a nice posibility
> here in Germany by now.
>
>
> On 19-Jun-00 John M. Tooley wrote:
> > Anybody have a Nakamichi 700 II Owners Manual for sale?
>
>
> A German electronics Magazine (ELV) has a *huge* collection of owner
> and *service* manuals -- NAK too. They sell copies of a quite good
> quality and by now they seem to at least accept some credit cards for
> payment.
>
> The Web page is:
> http://www.elv.de/Main.asp?Menue=Service&SessionId=00008922090710018336
>
> Enable java-script, choose the link Schaltungs-Service, HiFi,
> then: enter type in text  field next to "suchen" or probably easier:
> choose from the "bitte waehlen" menue button nakamichi and from the
> appearing button the right Type number.
>
> Prices: owner manual and service manual seem to be both about 25DM
> (13$).
>
>
> Once you it's there mybe don't work through there fully German pages
> but just send them a mail in Englisch :-)
>
>                schaltungsservice at elv.de
>
> And for the Details about shipping and payment.
>
>
> I got my NAK-505 service manual from them. It doesn't have the big fold
> out pages as such, but they copied them with overlap on A4 paper, so
> it's fully readable, including the circuit diagrams.
>
>
>
> K.-H.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> E-Mail: Karl-Heinz Herrmann <k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de>
> Date: 19-Jun-00      Time: 16:58:27
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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From dan_david at email.msn.com  Mon Jun 19 20:25:05 2000
From: dan_david at email.msn.com (dan_david)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:25:05 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #221
References: <20000619155510.87282.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501bfda1b$b19b9980$4d34113f@ddavid>

Yes....Here, here....most definitely....

Kudos to Wouter...


----- Original Message -----
From: Debashish Chakravarti <khambawati at hotmail.com>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:55 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #221


> "NAKAMICHI SPOKEN HERE": enthusiasts will remember this Nakamichi
> advertising poster of the early 1980s. It could be a fitting motto for
this
> website whose return everyone welcomes greatly. The webmaster deserves our
> thanks for his dedication.
>
> 2.  A quick question: is there anyone who calibrates(azimuth, level, bias,
> equalisation) Nakamichis to factory standards in India? What are the
charges
> in Indian rupees?
> ________________________________________________________________________
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From dan_david at email.msn.com  Mon Jun 19 20:26:14 2000
From: dan_david at email.msn.com (dan_david)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:26:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
References: <394DFC97.889E36D6@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <002001bfda1b$dab91cc0$4d34113f@ddavid>

Excellent, Wouter, thanks very much....


----- Original Message -----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 6:57 AM
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again


> I just put the FTP server back online, so all manuals are there again.
> One advantage of the new server is that the harddisk is BIGGER!
> So if anyone wants to upload:
>
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/
>
> Download manuals from:
>
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
>
> Download brochures from:
>
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/brochures/
>
> Wouter
>
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From eriep at stewstras.net  Mon Jun 19 23:02:10 2000
From: eriep at stewstras.net (Erie Patsellis)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:02:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
References: <XFMail.000619171145.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de> <00eb01bfda0a$fb4b7de0$c9496acf@johni7l629jlsn>
Message-ID: <002101bfda31$a3061240$0300a8c0@erie>

John, let me know how you make out, as I need a service manual
desperately...

have been nakless for 2 months...

erie


Or, If anyone knows of a reasoable 700II for sale, cosmetics not important,
let me know..

----- Original Message -----
From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP is also online again


> Thank you I'll e-mail them.
>
> John


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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Mon Jun 19 23:41:55 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:41:55 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
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Welcome back!  I've missed you!

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Mon Jun 19 23:50:15 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:50:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
References: <XFMail.000619171145.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de> <00eb01bfda0a$fb4b7de0$c9496acf@johni7l629jlsn> <002101bfda31$a3061240$0300a8c0@erie>
Message-ID: <00cb01bfda38$5a7c9100$b0496acf@jmtooley>

I got my 700 II with remote control on eBay the other week for $200.00 It's
now in Connecticut, hopefully getting breathed on!   I saw a 700 II go for
$152 on there the other week, wow!  Years ago that bad baby listed for
$1150.00!

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erie Patsellis" <eriep at stewstras.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP is also online again


> John, let me know how you make out, as I need a service manual
> desperately...
>
> have been nakless for 2 months...
>
> erie
>
>
> Or, If anyone knows of a reasoable 700II for sale, cosmetics not
important,
> let me know..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
>
>
> > Thank you I'll e-mail them.
> >
> > John
>
>
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From somperfeito at somperfeito.com  Tue Jun 20 04:52:49 2000
From: somperfeito at somperfeito.com (Nestor Natividade)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:52:49 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Cool ! 
Message-ID: <LPBBKHINAOJAMCEBNADJKEFHCCAA.somperfeito@somperfeito.com>

Dear Wouter,

Thank you for the return of your [Nak Talk].
My very best regards.
Nestor Natividade
São Paulo, Brasil

“Somethimes it is good to live without something precious so you'll get to
appreciate it even more!
Wouter”

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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Tue Jun 20 05:21:20 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:21:20 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
In-Reply-To: <200006172131.XAA03948@webmail2.xs4all.nl>
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Right arm Wouter !!!!

Major Kudos !!!


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From n.van.wijnen at altavista.net  Tue Jun 20 08:11:39 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at altavista.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:11:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
References: <394DFC97.889E36D6@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <005001bfda7e$66946940$65182c91@windesheim.nl>

Hello Wouter,

I have scanned the N582 Service Manual and within a few days i will try to
upload this manual to your ftp site

greetings

Norman van Wijnen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: maandag 19 juni 2000 12:57
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again


> I just put the FTP server back online, so all manuals are there again.
> One advantage of the new server is that the harddisk is BIGGER!
> So if anyone wants to upload:
>
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/
>
> Download manuals from:
>
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
>
> Download brochures from:
>
>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/brochures/
>
> Wouter
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jun 20 09:19:10 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:19:10 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
References: <394DFC97.889E36D6@xs4all.nl> <005001bfda7e$66946940$65182c91@windesheim.nl>
Message-ID: <394F1AEE.C91BBEE7@xs4all.nl>

Great news!

Please everyone, let me know ASAP if something goes wrong with the upload/downloading!

Wouter

Norman van Wijnen wrote:

> Hello Wouter,
>
> I have scanned the N582 Service Manual and within a few days i will try to
> upload this manual to your ftp site
>
> greetings
>
> Norman van Wijnen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wouter Heijke" <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: maandag 19 juni 2000 12:57
> Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
>
> > I just put the FTP server back online, so all manuals are there again.
> > One advantage of the new server is that the harddisk is BIGGER!
> > So if anyone wants to upload:
> >
> >     ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/
> >
> > Download manuals from:
> >
> >     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/
> >
> > Download brochures from:
> >
> >     ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/brochures/
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> >

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Thu Jun 22 00:26:53 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:26:53 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Laissez Le Bon Roulement De Piriodes!!!
Message-ID: <EFIIPPKONGDOOAAA@angelfire.com>

Wouter!
 
Il est agriable pour jtre de nouveau dans-touchent avec le camarade NakTalkers. @ beaucoup de grbce vous et vos efforts d'icarter l'enthousiasme de Nakamichi autour du monde par l'intermidiaire de cyberespace. Meilleurs voeux
continus, et pour la chance au nouveau serveur de Naks la des santi et la stabiliti dans le futur!!! 

M. Bleus 

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Thu Jun 22 03:44:55 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:44:55 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Laissez Le Bon Roulement De Piriodes!!!
Message-ID: <ADBDLKAGMDOOOAAA@angelfire.com>

Silly dearest!  My wife was being cute, and set the translation option on my email editor. That was some sad broken french language, huh?  Allow me another attempt.  My apologies.......


Wouter! It is with pleasure that we're again in-touch with our fellow NakTalkers. Best wishes, keep the Naks server healthy, and long live Nakamichi analogue cassette decks!!!

Mr. Blues 

Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:26:53   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>Wouter!
> 
>Il est agriable pour jtre de nouveau dans-touchent avec le camarade NakTalkers. @ beaucoup de grbce vous et vos efforts d'icarter l'enthousiasme de Nakamichi autour du monde par l'intermidiaire de cyberespace. Meilleurs voeux
>continus, et pour la chance au nouveau serveur de Naks la des santi et la stabiliti dans le futur!!! 
>
>M. Bleus 
>
>---
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Thu Jun 22 03:55:46 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:55:46 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Corroded Capstans???
Message-ID: <BKJFKAIAENOOOAAA@angelfire.com>

I'm worried, I got the blues!  My RX-505's capstans are not looking healthy.  After numerous days of heavy rainfall (and water damage in the basement of my home), I've noticed some minor corrosion (I presume) on the stainless capstans.  Was doing my monthly checkup & demagg, took a look up inside with a flashlight, behold, that doesn't seem ok to me!!!

What can a poor worried Nakker do to remedy this kind of a problem?

Blues

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From raah at concentric.net  Thu Jun 22 15:44:45 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:44:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Corroded Capstans???
References: <BKJFKAIAENOOOAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3952184D.4D4D45E8@concentric.net>

The BlueSwapper wrote:
> 
> I'm worried, I got the blues!  My RX-505's capstans are not looking healthy.  After numerous days of heavy rainfall (and water damage in the basement of my home), I've noticed some minor corrosion (I presume) on the stainless capstans.  Was doing my monthly checkup & demagg, took a look up inside with a flashlight, behold, that doesn't seem ok to me!!!
> 
> What can a poor worried Nakker do to remedy this kind of a problem?
> 
> Blues
> 

I wonder if this is actually corrosion. More likely, crud
accumulated
from tapes. When it is resistant to normal cleaning, here's
what I do:
I put a small (I mean, ***real tiny***) amount of 'soft
scrub' on the
cleaning stick and lightly press it against the revolving
capstans,
moving it along the capstan length. Then, I remove the
debris with my
'normal' head cleaning solution. You don't want to burnish
the capstan,
the surface should remain rough, just remove the accumulated
dirt.
Don't push Play before the capstans are clean and dry, to
prevent
transfer of dirt to the pressure rollers.

Hope this helps,

-- Ron
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From Psoas38 at aol.com  Thu Jun 22 19:18:37 2000
From: Psoas38 at aol.com (Psoas38 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:18:37 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <29.6d00ba4.2683a46d@aol.com>

Hi everyone,
    I have 2 Nak 550's-both have been refurbished at a certified Nak shop. I 
only need 1 of them and thought I would offer it up to people who know the 
high quality name of NAK. I can send pics if any one wants-comes w/ manual, 
shoulder strap, ac adapter and all repair work reciepts. Take care and I'm 
glad we're all back on line w/ the NAKTALK.
Michael
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Fri Jun 23 02:59:27 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:59:27 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Corroded Capstans???
Message-ID: <DDCEMEONFFKDPAAA@angelfire.com>

Carlos!  Thanks for easing my mind!  That sounds like the diagnosis, 'cos the accumulated stuff is coming off easily (with tender loving carefully applied scrubbing).  I've elevated you in my standing to Dr. CrO2!!!

Whatever this condition is, it appears not to be affecting performance.  Another Nak saved from the scap heap, huh?  

Take it easy, we'll get the  cassette exchange scene going again soon, agreed?

Blues

---
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http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper



On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:17:12   Carlos wrote:
>Ahh, I don't think it is corrosion. I'm one of those who think it's probably
>hardened tape dust. It can easily mistaken for rust. The friend that
>sugested you his "soft scrub" technique sounds good to me but you have to be
>careful. If you polish it too much, then you'll have tape slipage. Try it
>and let me know how it goes. By the way, why you have your jewels in the
>basement ? Do you have your studio in there ?
>
>Hope this help, my friend.
>
>By the way, I'm interested in that Davis' cassette ...
>
>Thanks,
>
>Carlos
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
>To: NakTalk <naktalk at naks.com>; Carlos <copytec at coqui.net>
>Cc: Mr Blues <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 7:54 AM
>Subject: Re: Corroded Capstans???
>
>
>> Can excessive humidity in a contained room cause problems like this to
>metal parts like capstans?  How do I clean and/or polish down those stems?
>I'm hesitant to do anything that may damage the capstans.  Mr Tape Man,
>advice please......
>>
>> Blues
>>
>> ---
>> Help keep the blues alive!  Got Some???
>> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:55:46   The BlueSwapper wrote:
>> >I'm worried, I got the blues!  My RX-505's capstans are not looking
>healthy.  After numerous days of heavy rainfall (and water damage in the
>basement of my home), I've noticed some minor corrosion (I presume) on the
>stainless capstans.  Was doing my monthly checkup & demagg, took a look up
>inside with a flashlight, behold, that doesn't seem ok to me!!!
>> >
>> >What can a poor worried Nakker do to remedy this kind of a problem?
>> >
>> >Blues
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
>>
>>
>
>


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From pinkertn at bway.net  Fri Jun 23 20:37:46 2000
From: pinkertn at bway.net (Anthony Patrizio)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:37:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] service centers.
Message-ID: <v02130500630c2d44260a@[216.220.110.167]>

Hey guys,

Wonderful mailinglist here. I'm hoping that someone could help me
find an authorized Nakamich repair shop in the New York City area.
I need a place where qualified technicians can clean, align, and
calibrate my decks to original factory standards. I also need
some repair work done. I know there are places that I can mail my deck to,
but I want to avoid shipping these machine. Plus, some of those
places are outrageously expensive. I'd pay a good amount of money
to get my Dragon properly fixed, but I don't want to go broke every time
I want a mere cleaning, alignment and calibration done.

I'd appreciate any help or tips. Thanks!

All the best,

Anthony
pinkertn at bway.net


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From jmtooley at ce.net  Fri Jun 23 21:24:27 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:24:27 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] service centers.
References: <v02130500630c2d44260a@[216.220.110.167]>
Message-ID: <002001bfdd48$a62d8c90$b6496acf@johni7l629jlsn>

Nakamichi in Connecticut.
.............................................................

Our service policy is as follows;
If the repair is going to cost less than $200, we will proceed with the
repair.
If the repair is going to cost more than $200, we will send you a written
estimate.
If the estimate is declaimed, than there would be a $75 estimate fee.
If the estimate is approved, than there would be no estimate charge.
Costs for shipping and handling are extra.

We have faith in our craftsmanship and unless abused or otherwise stated,
paid repairs include a 6 month guaranty on parts installed and work
performed.
An additional 6 months are added to a completely overhauled machine.
Commercially used machines carry only a 1 month warranty.
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

If you don't have the original packing, ask us how to pack the machine
so that it will not be damaged in shipping.  We use UPS.
Don't forget to insure against loss.

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

eslabs at prodigy.net
www.eslabs.com
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ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
(860)529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm  EST  (-5 GMT)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Patrizio" <pinkertn at bway.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 2:37 PM
Subject: [naktalk] service centers.


> Hey guys,
>
> Wonderful mailinglist here. I'm hoping that someone could help me
> find an authorized Nakamich repair shop in the New York City area.
> I need a place where qualified technicians can clean, align, and
> calibrate my decks to original factory standards. I also need
> some repair work done. I know there are places that I can mail my deck to,
> but I want to avoid shipping these machine. Plus, some of those
> places are outrageously expensive. I'd pay a good amount of money
> to get my Dragon properly fixed, but I don't want to go broke every time
> I want a mere cleaning, alignment and calibration done.
>
> I'd appreciate any help or tips. Thanks!
>
> All the best,
>
> Anthony
> pinkertn at bway.net
>
>
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>
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From chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 25 19:31:12 2000
From: chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com (Charles Kelly, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:31:12 PDT
Subject: [naktalk] Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
Message-ID: <20000625173112.76910.qmail@hotmail.com>

Good Evening Fellow "Nak" Owners:

My name is Charles Purvis Kelly, Jr. and I am the proud owner of a 12 year 
old Nakamichi BX-300 Cassette Deck (a fine machine at a good price many 
years ago....  and I still have mine....  all the testimonial that you'll 
need from me), and recently, I believe that I may have misplaced my "Owner's 
Manual".  Does anyone by any chance happen to know where I can get a new 
copy of the manual from??  Or perhaps I can download a copy if anyone will 
be kind enough to post it on the website.  I'll download as soon as I see 
it.  Whoever does that, I'll forever be indebted to you.  Thanks ever so 
much.

Charles....
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From apd at net.bluemoon.net  Sun Jun 25 20:05:47 2000
From: apd at net.bluemoon.net (Tony Dalessio)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:05:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] in search of a 550 owners manual
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000625140113.009e2d30@net.bluemoon.net>


Does anyone have a 550 owner's manual that they would be willing to copy? 
I'll pay for duplication costs. Or if you know where one can be downloaded 
off the net that would be great too. I've been checking eBay but haven't 
seen anything recently.

Thanks.
Tony

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From Gregg at Ergosoft.com  Sun Jun 25 20:51:51 2000
From: Gregg at Ergosoft.com (Gregg Guarnera)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:51:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
References: <20000625173112.76910.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <395654C7.BD04C4BD@Ergosoft.com>

Charles,

I can only agree about your testimonial.  I bought a BX-150 15 years ago, still have it
and still love it.  I recently added an RX-505 to the collection and I guarantee that
15 years from now I will be saying the same about that deck.  As for your manual
search, I believe there is a BX-300 manual in the Nak.com ftp manual archive. Try this
URL:

ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/

There is a file there called N_BX_300.pdf.  You can view it using Adobe Acrobat (free
from Adobe).  Good luck.

-Gregg


"Charles Kelly, Jr." wrote:

> Good Evening Fellow "Nak" Owners:
>
> My name is Charles Purvis Kelly, Jr. and I am the proud owner of a 12 year
> old Nakamichi BX-300 Cassette Deck (a fine machine at a good price many
> years ago....  and I still have mine....  all the testimonial that you'll
> need from me), and recently, I believe that I may have misplaced my "Owner's
> Manual".  Does anyone by any chance happen to know where I can get a new
> copy of the manual from??  Or perhaps I can download a copy if anyone will
> be kind enough to post it on the website.  I'll download as soon as I see
> it.  Whoever does that, I'll forever be indebted to you.  Thanks ever so
> much.
>
> Charles....
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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Jun 25 23:01:13 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:01:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] in search of a 550 owners manual
References: <4.2.0.58.20000625140113.009e2d30@net.bluemoon.net>
Message-ID: <39567319.2E6B9A43@concentric.net>

Tony Dalessio wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a 550 owner's manual that they would be willing to copy?
> I'll pay for duplication costs. Or if you know where one can be downloaded
> off the net that would be great too. I've been checking eBay but haven't
> seen anything recently.
> 
> Thanks.
> Tony
> 

Tony,

Take a look at Marty Gassman's web site:

http://www.tiac.net/users/mgasman/manuals_nak.html

He is not cheap, but he does seems to have original owner
manuals.

Hope this helps,

-- Ron
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From chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 26 04:01:07 2000
From: chaskelljr1_ at hotmail.com (Charles Kelly, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:01:07 PDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
Message-ID: <20000626020107.50295.qmail@hotmail.com>

Greg,

So, you understand what I was going through then.  Even in the age of 
digital technology (I am thinking about investing in an MP3 Player), there 
are some old favorites will never be digitally.  That's why in my opinion, 
cassettes will not die completely.  I still have an existing cassette 
collection that I still would love to enjoy, and I would like to have a 
place in which I can download my MP3 Player when I get one, so in hence 
then, there will always be a place in my system for my BX-300.  Again, 
thanks for the "URL".  I have "bookmarked" it for future references.  Again, 
thanks again.  And you enjoy those Naks, okay??

Thanks,

Charles....


>From: Gregg Guarnera <Gregg at Ergosoft.com>
>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com
>To: naktalk at naks.com
>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Owners' Manual For A BX-300 Cassette Deck....
>Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:51:51 -0400
>
>Charles,
>
>I can only agree about your testimonial.  I bought a BX-150 15 years ago, 
>still have it
>and still love it.  I recently added an RX-505 to the collection and I 
>guarantee that
>15 years from now I will be saying the same about that deck.  As for your 
>manual
>search, I believe there is a BX-300 manual in the Nak.com ftp manual 
>archive. Try this
>URL:
>
>ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/
>
>There is a file there called N_BX_300.pdf.  You can view it using Adobe 
>Acrobat (free
>from Adobe).  Good luck.
>
>-Gregg
>
>
>"Charles Kelly, Jr." wrote:
>
> > Good Evening Fellow "Nak" Owners:
> >
> > My name is Charles Purvis Kelly, Jr. and I am the proud owner of a 12 
>year
> > old Nakamichi BX-300 Cassette Deck (a fine machine at a good price many
> > years ago....  and I still have mine....  all the testimonial that 
>you'll
> > need from me), and recently, I believe that I may have misplaced my 
>"Owner's
> > Manual".  Does anyone by any chance happen to know where I can get a new
> > copy of the manual from??  Or perhaps I can download a copy if anyone 
>will
> > be kind enough to post it on the website.  I'll download as soon as I 
>see
> > it.  Whoever does that, I'll forever be indebted to you.  Thanks ever so
> > much.
> >
> > Charles....
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From ARWII at aol.com  Tue Jun 27 11:58:17 2000
From: ARWII at aol.com (ARWII at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:58:17 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] is back!
Message-ID: <1e.7291b12.2689d4b9@aol.com>

Greetings Wouter,

Three cheers in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania for the return of NakTalk.
It's a fine thing for the world's Nakaphiles to have a forum dedicated to the 
Nakamichi in all it's forms. Especially welcome is the ftp site for 
downloading manuals. 

A heartfelt thanks for all of your efforts.

Ray Wheelock
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Wed Jun 28 04:47:46 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:47:46 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Message-ID: <OF1C367A83.A4A6EF2E-ON8625690C.000F37E0@ac.com>

Does anyone out there own the new DR-8 or DR-10?  How do they sound,
compared to the vintage models?  I see the DR-10 is going for about $900
American dollars, new.  Would it be a nice birthday present for someone
special next month ... namely, me?

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From g_valkov at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 28 09:42:08 2000
From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:42:08 EEST
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Message-ID: <20000628064208.811.qmail@hotmail.com>

George,

IMHO, I'd rather get myself a Dragon for that kind of money -:).

Best,
George


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To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:47:46 -0500

Does anyone out there own the new DR-8 or DR-10?  How do they sound,
compared to the vintage models?  I see the DR-10 is going for about $900
American dollars, new.  Would it be a nice birthday present for someone
special next month ... namely, me?

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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Wed Jun 28 11:32:05 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:32:05 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
In-Reply-To: <394DFC97.889E36D6@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000628113205.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi!

>     ftp://ftp.naks.com/incoming/

I just found the time to upload the RX-505[E] manual on the ftp site.
Right now I chose the djvu-format, since it's very efficient and I had
it already converted. 
The manual is at least in German and English, including all pages.


My question about conversion to pdf was accidentally sent to naktree,
so once again: Does anybody know a practical method to get pdf files on
Unix-Systems? Only way I know of is converting every page to jpeg, then
to eps (remaining a small jpeg file internally), then run it through
LaTeX to make a multi-page document and run the ps output through
ps2pdf....
And this will have the quality of jpeg-files of course. Any other file
import will lead to huge ps files and probably huge pdf files as well. 
Acrobat distiller is not available here.

K.-H.


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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Wed Jun 28 14:33:07 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:33:07 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505E functional mechanics in display box for exhibitions at ebay.de
In-Reply-To: <002001bfdd48$a62d8c90$b6496acf@johni7l629jlsn>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000628143307.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>

Hi,

I just found a curiosity on the ebay.de site, maybe somebody is
interested at least in the pictures :-) 

Somebody trys to sell the fully functional RX-505 mechanics which was
used at exhibitions. On the pictures below it seems to me there is at
least a play function (so they have all the electronics for at least
play in the box as well).

http://www.ebay.de/static/auction/46/4644/464418/46441886.html


K.-H.




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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jun 29 00:04:34 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:04:34 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
References: <XFMail.000619171145.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de> <00eb01bfda0a$fb4b7de0$c9496acf@johni7l629jlsn> <002101bfda31$a3061240$0300a8c0@erie>
Message-ID: <00a801bfe14c$d8649de0$b3496acf@jmtooley>

There is a 700 II on eBay right now.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erie Patsellis" <eriep at stewstras.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP is also online again


> John, let me know how you make out, as I need a service manual
> desperately...
>
> have been nakless for 2 months...
>
> erie
>
>
> Or, If anyone knows of a reasoable 700II for sale, cosmetics not
important,
> let me know..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
>
>
> > Thank you I'll e-mail them.
> >
> > John
>
>
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Thu Jun 29 02:17:13 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:17:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Message-ID: <OFF24E8A7B.4FA24B85-ON8625690D.00018CDA@ac.com>


Ah, Enter the Dragon!

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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jun 29 03:15:28 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:15:28 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
References: <OFF24E8A7B.4FA24B85-ON8625690D.00018CDA@ac.com>
Message-ID: <000e01bfe167$834ff640$c6496acf@jmtooley>

These days a $300 minidisc recorder would whip a Dragons butt, all flames
but still extinct beast,  in specs. and probably almost sound as good.  But
what do I know, I just bought a very expensive ReVox B77 II reel to reel
machine, talk about a dinosaur.  My Nak. 700 II is being breathed on,
hopefully almost Dragon strength, in Conn. :-)

John

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Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10


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> Ah, Enter the Dragon!
>
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From eslabs at snet.net  Thu Jun 29 03:58:08 2000
From: eslabs at snet.net (Jeffrey Galin)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:58:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
References: <OFF24E8A7B.4FA24B85-ON8625690D.00018CDA@ac.com> <000e01bfe167$834ff640$c6496acf@jmtooley>
Message-ID: <001501bfe16d$7f63e040$1f41fea9@jeffrey>

John,

Not true!  
A minidisc doesn't record everything your 700II will be able to do!
A CD recorder is another story. 

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Galin

Nakamichi Serviced Here
ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
1807 Berlin Turnpike 
Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST (-4 UTC)
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From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10


These days a $300 minidisc recorder would whip a Dragons butt, all flames
but still extinct beast,  in specs. and probably almost sound as good.  But
what do I know, I just bought a very expensive ReVox B77 II reel to reel
machine, talk about a dinosaur.  My Nak. 700 II is being breathed on,
hopefully almost Dragon strength, in Conn. :-)

John

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Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10


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>
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Thu Jun 29 04:15:00 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:15:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Message-ID: <OF8E8F3681.A83211C5-ON8625690D.000C47A0@ac.com>


Yeah, maybe I should buy the minidisc recorder for my birthday, and put all
my prerecorded cassette tapes on that.  It sounds bizarre, though, but I
have sort of an affinity for some of those prerecorded tapes, like people
have for vinyl.

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Jun 29 05:36:48 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:36:48 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Message-ID: <000c01bfe17b$42b8d660$1893bccf@steve2>

It would be a gross oversight not to point out that any post-1979 3-head Nak
has useable rec/pb frequency response out to 35kHz.  Only a 24/96 recorder
or better can challenge that.  As for minidisc, it's digital compression
means that it throws away any musical information that it's algorithm
designer thinks you wouldn't be able to hear.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
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To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10


>
>Yeah, maybe I should buy the minidisc recorder for my birthday, and put all
>my prerecorded cassette tapes on that.  It sounds bizarre, though, but I
>have sort of an affinity for some of those prerecorded tapes, like people
>have for vinyl.
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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Wed Jun 28 21:00:16 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:30:16 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Message-ID: <004401bfe133$1adf80a0$42d60192@vsnl>

Yeah Thanks Wouter for bringing back Naktalk and it is interesting forum -
the only forum other than my Alumni association forum that I had
subscribed - Alumni forum to contact my old Collegemates all over the world.
 Needless to say that Nak recorders are xcellent except very low level hiss
if you do not use Dolby - compared to minidisc. And minidisc is only OK for
digital copy of CD with definite inferior sound due to Compression -
actually eliminating low level  sound of frequency above 16KHz. If somebody
uses 1000 series and 700 series Nak recorders should be able to record
anolog sound as good as a reel tape recorders (lower speed ranges) And I
envy those having 1000ZXL and 700 ZXL as they are pinnacle of Nak
engineering both mechanical as well as electronics!
But anybody compared super audio Cd with these Nak recorders ( as they are
96Khz / 24 bit resolution)?
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10


>It would be a gross oversight not to point out that any post-1979 3-head
Nak
>has useable rec/pb frequency response out to 35kHz.  Only a 24/96 recorder
>or better can challenge that.  As for minidisc, it's digital compression
>means that it throws away any musical information that it's algorithm
>designer thinks you wouldn't be able to hear.
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
>phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home phone 505-332-0336
>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
>https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: george.m.hook at ac.com <george.m.hook at ac.com>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
>
>
>>
>>Yeah, maybe I should buy the minidisc recorder for my birthday, and put
all
>>my prerecorded cassette tapes on that.  It sounds bizarre, though, but I
>>have sort of an affinity for some of those prerecorded tapes, like people
>>have for vinyl.
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jun 29 14:10:58 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:10:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
References: <OFF24E8A7B.4FA24B85-ON8625690D.00018CDA@ac.com> <000e01bfe167$834ff640$c6496acf@jmtooley> <001501bfe16d$7f63e040$1f41fea9@jeffrey>
Message-ID: <003501bfe1c3$15bfb1e0$c0496acf@johni7l629jlsn>

Jeff,

Most of that was tongue in cheek hoping to get some positive response in our
Forum.

Any news on my 700 II yet?

Thank you,
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Galin" <eslabs at snet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10


> John,
>
> Not true!
> A minidisc doesn't record everything your 700II will be able to do!
> A CD recorder is another story.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jeffrey Galin
>
> Nakamichi Serviced Here
> ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS
> 1807 Berlin Turnpike
> Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA
> tel/fax 860-529-3700 M-F 8am-6pm EST (-4 UTC)
> eslabs at snet.net          www.eslabs.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley at ce.net>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
>
>
> These days a $300 minidisc recorder would whip a Dragons butt, all flames
> but still extinct beast,  in specs. and probably almost sound as good.
But
> what do I know, I just bought a very expensive ReVox B77 II reel to reel
> machine, talk about a dinosaur.  My Nak. 700 II is being breathed on,
> hopefully almost Dragon strength, in Conn. :-)
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <george.m.hook at ac.com>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
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> > Ah, Enter the Dragon!
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jun 29 14:17:45 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:17:45 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
References: <OF8E8F3681.A83211C5-ON8625690D.000C47A0@ac.com>
Message-ID: <004201bfe1c4$08c8cc00$c0496acf@johni7l629jlsn>

Keep the cassettes.  A minidisc recorder is nice but it's a different toy
altogether, for the .mp3 generation. :-)


----- Original Message -----
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To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10


>
> Yeah, maybe I should buy the minidisc recorder for my birthday, and put
all
> my prerecorded cassette tapes on that.  It sounds bizarre, though, but I
> have sort of an affinity for some of those prerecorded tapes, like people
> have for vinyl.
>
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Thu Jun 29 14:22:33 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:22:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
References: <000c01bfe17b$42b8d660$1893bccf@steve2>
Message-ID: <004801bfe1c4$b455ba60$c0496acf@johni7l629jlsn>

But surely anything beyond 18-20k would not be heard and after 20k even a
Dragon's response must drop like a brick!  Agreed, when a minidisc gets a
critical ear something is missing but for most people, unfortunately, it's
okay.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10


> It would be a gross oversight not to point out that any post-1979 3-head
Nak
> has useable rec/pb frequency response out to 35kHz.  Only a 24/96 recorder
> or better can challenge that.  As for minidisc, it's digital compression
> means that it throws away any musical information that it's algorithm
> designer thinks you wouldn't be able to hear.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
> phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home phone 505-332-0336
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
> https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
>
>
> >
> >Yeah, maybe I should buy the minidisc recorder for my birthday, and put
all
> >my prerecorded cassette tapes on that.  It sounds bizarre, though, but I
> >have sort of an affinity for some of those prerecorded tapes, like people
> >have for vinyl.
> >
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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Thu Jun 29 19:29:36 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:29:36 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
In-Reply-To: <004801bfe1c4$b455ba60$c0496acf@johni7l629jlsn>
Message-ID: <000001bfe1ef$98cd7be0$c28c883e@a4s1s2>

Interesting line of debate.  Maybe we have some scientific readers out there
who could mark this discussion with a few recorded "facts".

I always find it interesting to note what some people can hear, or claim to
hear, and what others cannot.  I have had some people come into my home and
not be able to tell the difference between a cassette recording, CD or a
record played on either of my two record decks.  Others can seemingly spot
them all!  And others seem to "learn" to tell them apart.  And others
(probably myself included!) sometimes hear what we want to hear!!!  (I mean,
if the new fangle whatsit didn't improve the sound then we'd have to admit
it was a waste of money .... so we want to hear a difference and, therefore,
we do!)  Nevertheless, I am fascinated by how the brain can adapt and learn
audible tricks, which makes me suspect we "hear" a lot more than we might be
able to perceive ... until we learn how to perceive it.

To give you an example:  I am completely deaf in one ear.  So, that means I
can't hear stereo.  Right?  Wrong!  Like the Bumble Bee is not supposed to
be able to fly, I can hear stereo!  With some sound systems I have to
"learn" the stereo imaging before my brain gives me a "sound stage", and
with others that "sound stage" appears sooner than with the others.
Nevertheless, with a few sweeps of the ear across the plain of sound,
between the sources, somehow my grey cells can work out where the sax player
is standing, where the double bass is, the piano and the drums! And I've
tested this a few times with full hearing people, so I check the image
positions with them.  More often than not, I get it right!  But I generally
have to be aware in the first place that it's a stereo recording before I
can adjust myself to hear it with that kind of accuracy.  Otherwise, it's
all the same as a mono record!

Funny thing, the brain, ain't it.

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
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> John M. Tooley
> Sent: 29 June 2000 13:23
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
>
>
> But surely anything beyond 18-20k would not be heard and after 20k even a
> Dragon's response must drop like a brick!  Agreed, when a minidisc gets a
> critical ear something is missing but for most people, unfortunately, it's
> okay.
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Jun 29 21:30:38 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:30:38 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Message-ID: <001e01bfe200$81e7e940$1693bccf@steve2>

Actually, it has been well proven that human hearing extends well beyond
20kHz when lower frequency sounds accompany those above that range.  Some
tests have shown the range to be near 50kHz.  This is part of the whole
point of 24/96 recording.  The response of 3-head modern Naks drops pretty
slowly above 20kHz, actually, so there is definitely audible musical content
up there that they can reproduce quite well.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From: John M. Tooley <jmtooley at ce.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2000 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10


>But surely anything beyond 18-20k would not be heard and after 20k even a
>Dragon's response must drop like a brick!  Agreed, when a minidisc gets a
>critical ear something is missing but for most people, unfortunately, it's
>okay.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 11:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
>
>
>> It would be a gross oversight not to point out that any post-1979 3-head
>Nak
>> has useable rec/pb frequency response out to 35kHz.  Only a 24/96
recorder
>> or better can challenge that.  As for minidisc, it's digital compression
>> means that it throws away any musical information that it's algorithm
>> designer thinks you wouldn't be able to hear.
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
>> phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home phone 505-332-0336
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
>> https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: george.m.hook at ac.com <george.m.hook at ac.com>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Yeah, maybe I should buy the minidisc recorder for my birthday, and put
>all
>> >my prerecorded cassette tapes on that.  It sounds bizarre, though, but I
>> >have sort of an affinity for some of those prerecorded tapes, like
people
>> >have for vinyl.
>> >
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From AGloop at aol.com  Thu Jun 29 22:49:19 2000
From: AGloop at aol.com (AGloop at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:49:19 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 cassette deck
Message-ID: <74.ad1048.268d104f@aol.com>

I have just been rather lucky to acquire an excellent physical shape 582 
cassette deck with the original manual, and have a couple of questions:

1. The manual states that adjustment to the playback head height, azimuth, 
and tape guide, should be made only by the factory. Some of my cassettes play 
back a little slower at certain points, however if I watch the playback 
motor/roller or tape itself it does not appear to be running slower. 
Sometimes it almost sounds like playback is about to stop. If I make minute 
adjustments to the Tape Guide it gets better or worse, so I am assuming an 
adjustment is necessary. My question is: Does anyone have a procedure or 
advice on making the factory only adjustments to the PB height, azimuth, and 
Tape Guide?

2. My cassette collection has been made on a variety of tapes and on many 
different decks. Some of them are quite bright in the treble. During playback 
of these particularly bright tapes, a noise resembling static or clicking can 
be heard from the left channel only. On commercially produced tapes, this 
noise is greatly diminished or even non-existent. On my Nak CR-2A, the bright 
tapes do not make this noise. I know that the connection/interconnects are 
not at fault, because the noise is audible through the headphone jack. Any 
ideas to correct this problem?

I would appreciate any advice regarding correcting these issues, or any 
suggestions as to other sources for answers. Please reply directly if you 
prefer.

Mike Chev
582
CR-2A
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Jun 30 00:03:12 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:03:12 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 cassette deck
Message-ID: <009c01bfe215$d29a9580$1693bccf@steve2>

It sounds like you probably have stiffening grease on one or both pinch
roller arm pivot axles &/or the roller axles.  The way to check that is to
remove your door window, close the door & engage play.  Then, reach in &
push down on each pinch roller & see if each one snaps right back up or is
sluggish at all coming back up.  If severe, you may find that a pinch roller
has not even fully come up to the capstan in the first place.  If it passes
this test, then hit stop & spin each roller & see if they spin freely.  If
the deck does have hardened grease, it is a rather invoved job to remove all
of the old stuff, relub & then re-align the rollers/guides.  I can't think
of any other likely cause for your symptom.
As for the left channel noise, nothing jumps to mind, but it sounds like it
may be a bad Dolby chip(they are used for amplification even when Dolby is
off) or a flakey capacitor in that vicinity.
I urge you not to move the guide alignments any more, as it can be very
tricky to get them properly aligned again, and misalignment will cause minor
to major tape damage.


Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: AGloop at aol.com <AGloop at aol.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2000 3:22 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with 582 cassette deck


>I have just been rather lucky to acquire an excellent physical shape 582
>cassette deck with the original manual, and have a couple of questions:
>
>1. The manual states that adjustment to the playback head height, azimuth,
>and tape guide, should be made only by the factory. Some of my cassettes
play
>back a little slower at certain points, however if I watch the playback
>motor/roller or tape itself it does not appear to be running slower.
>Sometimes it almost sounds like playback is about to stop. If I make minute
>adjustments to the Tape Guide it gets better or worse, so I am assuming an
>adjustment is necessary. My question is: Does anyone have a procedure or
>advice on making the factory only adjustments to the PB height, azimuth,
and
>Tape Guide?
>
>2. My cassette collection has been made on a variety of tapes and on many
>different decks. Some of them are quite bright in the treble. During
playback
>of these particularly bright tapes, a noise resembling static or clicking
can
>be heard from the left channel only. On commercially produced tapes, this
>noise is greatly diminished or even non-existent. On my Nak CR-2A, the
bright
>tapes do not make this noise. I know that the connection/interconnects are
>not at fault, because the noise is audible through the headphone jack. Any
>ideas to correct this problem?
>
>I would appreciate any advice regarding correcting these issues, or any
>suggestions as to other sources for answers. Please reply directly if you
>prefer.
>
>Mike Chev
>582
>CR-2A
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Fri Jun 30 02:14:23 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:14:23 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Message-ID: <OF08A071AD.31058995-ON8625690E.00014AD4@ac.com>


That's my inclination.

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Fri Jun 30 12:04:41 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:04:41 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-10 (is disappointing...)
Message-ID: <POOGLCLIJECAAAAA@angelfire.com>

Greetings to my friends on NakTalk, and welcome to our new members!  Since some of you are contemplating purchases of new gear, allow me to share several words from my perspective about the newest Nakamichi cassette decks.....

I don't peronally possess a DR-10, but a friend of mine has had a less than positive experience with a purchase of one of these new generation Nakamichi decks.  He bought a DR-10 to replace his eight year-old DR-2 last year. He was initially unhappy with the quality of the product (look & feel were not the same as the DR-2), and had a horrendous time matching biases between the two machines (three visits out to the Nak service factory!).  Finally (after three months of agony), he demanded a refund on his purchase. He then sent his beloved DR-2 out to the east coast to have an authorized service center perform  a complete rehab and bias match to his preferred brand of analogue cassette.  He's a very happy fellow now, but if you ask him about the new generation of Nak decks, he immediately frowns.  

The bottom line is these new decks are not made at the level of quality as the classic gear (and I should clarify my position that the early DR series decks can only be considered "borderline" classic gear!).  Read up on the DR-10 at my Nak info website:

http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakdr10review.html

Think very carefully before buying a DR-8 or DR-10, you may be better off grabbing a used classic Nak, and having that rehabbed by an expert!

Myself?  I'm thinking about adding a 1000ZXL to my collection someday in the distant future, when I tire of my infatuation with Nakamichi's unidirectional autoreverse decks (RX-202/505)!

Classic Naks forever!!!

Mr Blues

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From marcushemma at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 30 21:00:38 2000
From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:00:38 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Speed
Message-ID: <20000630185841.55595.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hello all analogue cassette fan´s! Could someone help on this topic?
 
I have made a test-tape for cost effective speed adjustment.
It is 4.762 meters of 400Hz test-tone, eqvivalent to 100 sec´s if the speed is right. 99 sec´s would be 1% too slow, etc. Presuming that the human timing delay error is the same at starting and stopping the clock, the resulting accuracy would be determined only by the clock, and of course the length of the tape. But...what is the correct length?

Some Nakamichi ads specs. 4.8 cm/s, others 1 7/8 inch/s which would be closer to 4.7625 cm/s...Other manuf´s seems to say 4.76, and some 4.75.
 
The difference betw. 4.8 and 4.75 is in the range of 1%, so this is a need to know case!

Does anyone know?

Best regards,
Marcus Rosén
Stockholm, Sweden.

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From hifisapi at gate.net  Fri Jun 30 23:27:20 2000
From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:27:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Speed
In-Reply-To: <20000630185841.55595.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBJABCLOHGEGIAFFPFMEEFCCAA.hifisapi@gate.net>

I believe the world standard for cassette is 1 7/8" per second.
JCO
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
Marcus Rosén
  Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 3:01 PM
  To: naktalk at naks.com
  Subject: [naktalk] Speed


  Hello all analogue cassette fan´s! Could someone help on this topic?

  I have made a test-tape for cost effective speed adjustment.
  It is 4.762 meters of 400Hz test-tone, eqvivalent to 100 sec´s if the
speed is right. 99 sec´s would be 1% too slow, etc. Presuming that the human
timing delay error is the same at starting and stopping the clock, the
resulting accuracy would be determined only by the clock, and of course the
length of the tape. But...what is the correct length?

  Some Nakamichi ads specs. 4.8 cm/s, others 1 7/8 inch/s which would be
closer to 4.7625 cm/s...Other manuf´s seems to say 4.76, and some 4.75.

  The difference betw. 4.8 and 4.75 is in the range of 1%, so this is a need
to know case!

  Does anyone know?

  Best regards,
  Marcus Rosén
  Stockholm, Sweden.

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From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Jun  1 11:19:47 2000
From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:19:47 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ...
References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki>
Message-ID: <39362AB3.9050201@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk>

Not at all improper, Salim. In fact, I wish I had seen the article two 
weeks ago, because I bought a Nak 550 on eBay one week ago! I shall be 
able to respond to this criticism once I receive the deck- I will keep 
you posted.

John Walker
Portland UK

Salim Marzuki wrote:

>To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on
>Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in 96.
>Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones!  Sorry if it was posted here
>before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group  =)
>
>
>======================================================
>
>Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point
>that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread.
>
>I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story
>behind it.
>
>I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in
>the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a
>remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to
>professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came
>back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts.
>They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could
>easily here a faint, constant tone.
>
>Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure
>of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published
>signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such
>that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that
>were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and
>others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless).
>
>I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band
>(about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed
>precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck,
>EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had
>easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard
>in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum
>
>Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned
>units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same
>frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK
>around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was
>not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As
>long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal
>spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical
>proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply
>decoupling assured that this problem would happen.
>
>I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not
>the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them
>with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem,
>I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting
>the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator
>off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem).
>
>Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator
>was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time.
>Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes,
>they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off.
>
>But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published
>noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to
>provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec,
>there is no problem."
>
>Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro
>and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made
>even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the
>buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the
>opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product
>thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that
>failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose.
>
>Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY
>kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying
>that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix
>them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to
>whistle on its merry way.
>
>To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had
>sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling
>cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary
>to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro
>recording deck.  The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in
>parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks,
>once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something
>subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns
>out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and
>bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure),
>Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem.
>
>We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design
>that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory.
>
>This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the
>product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's,
>stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking
>reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on.
>
>The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by
>Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the
>bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to
>take the defective hardware back again.
>
>Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional
>reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their
>advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and
>flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77
>WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible
>comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's
>could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more
>reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on.
>
>If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely
>compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the
>low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the
>pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push
>the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium.
>
>Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's
>butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their
>arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for
>one, am hardly sorry to see their passing.
>
>====================================================
>
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From george.m.hook at ac.com  Sat Jul  1 00:08:10 2000
From: george.m.hook at ac.com (george.m.hook at ac.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:08:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-10 (is disappointing...)
Message-ID: <OFE8B8E419.036EF937-ON8625690E.0079964F@ac.com>


Thanks for the insight.

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sat Jul  1 05:19:06 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:19:06 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nak LX-5, performing like new
Message-ID: <009e01bfe30b$213db1e0$1593bccf@steve2>

I have recently acquired an LX-5 three-head Nak to sell.  After some very
routine maintenance work & calibration, it is performing like an absolutely
new unit.  Really superb inside.  The only flaws are on the outside, as
there is a fair amountof oxidation "spotting" on the top of the top cover &
some in the silver parts of the front panel, but it still looks very good.
I am providing a one year full warranty with the sale.  I have been posting
it on the net for $450, but will reduce that by $50 for any naktalk user or
former client.  Payment can be by mc/visa.
Please note that my shop phone line is temporarily out, so I have provided
my home phone below.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
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From raah at concentric.net  Sat Jul  1 15:51:51 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 09:51:51 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Speed
References: <20000630185841.55595.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <395DF777.4D10F02B@concentric.net>

> Marcus Rosén wrote:
> 
> Hello all analogue cassette fan´s! Could someone help on
> this topic?
> 
> I have made a test-tape for cost effective speed
> adjustment.
> It is 4.762 meters of 400Hz test-tone, eqvivalent to 100
> sec´s if the speed is right. 99 sec´s would be 1% too
> slow, etc. Presuming that the human timing delay error is
> the same at starting and stopping the clock, the resulting
> accuracy would be determined only by the clock, and of
> course the length of the tape. But...what is the correct
> length?
> 
> Some Nakamichi ads specs. 4.8 cm/s, others 1 7/8 inch/s
> which would be closer to 4.7625 cm/s...Other manuf´s seems
> to say 4.76, and some 4.75.
> 
> The difference betw. 4.8 and 4.75 is in the range of 1%,
> so this is a need to know case!
> 
> Does anyone know?
> 
> Best regards,
> Marcus Rosén
> Stockholm, Sweden.
> 

The original spec was 1-7/8 ips. This was a chosen with
compliance with the then standard 1/4" tape speeds, that
were defined as submultiples of 60 ips: 30ips, 15ips,
7.5ips, 3.75ips and 1.875ips.

I don't think this spec ever changed.

BTW, a better method for adjusting tape speed is to use
an accurate recording of a 3000Hz tone. To adjust tape
speed, you connect the recorder to a frequency counter,
play the reference tape and adjust the speed until the
readout shows exactly 3KHz. Because it's very easy to
generate an extremely accurate signal and the accuracy
of the counter is also extremely high (both easily better
than 0.01%), this brings the recorder under adjustment to
essentially the speed accuracy of the recorder used to
make the test tone. Cheapo reference tapes are spec'ed
at +/-1%.

Regards,

-- Ron
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From Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au  Mon Jul  3 01:05:11 2000
From: Thomas.Siomopoulos at nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:05:11 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] FTP is also online again
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.000619171145.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <200007022304.JAA13220@necagmx.neca.nec.com.au>

Does anyone have a ZX-9 manual that they can scan?

	Regards Tom Siomopoulos.

	P.S.  It's great to see the list up and running again.
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From somperfeito at somperfeito.com  Mon Jul  3 13:53:42 2000
From: somperfeito at somperfeito.com (Nestor Natividade)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:53:42 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] Re DR-8 and DR-10
In-Reply-To: <001e01bfe200$81e7e940$1693bccf@steve2>
Message-ID: <LPBBKHINAOJAMCEBNADJOEAHCDAA.somperfeito@somperfeito.com>

Hi Stephen,
> ... Actually, it has been well proven that human hearing extends well
beyond 20kHz when lower frequency sounds accompany those above that range.
Some tests have shown the range to be near 50kHz. ... >
Please, where I can find more information about this specific topic.
Regards
Nestor

Mensagem original --------------------------------------------------------
De: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]
Em nome de Stephen Sank
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 29 de junho de 2000    16:31
Para: naktalk at naks.com
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
Actually, it has been well proven that human hearing extends well beyond
20kHz when lower frequency sounds accompany those above that range.  Some
tests have shown the range to be near 50kHz.  This is part of the whole
point of 24/96 recording.  The response of 3-head modern Naks drops pretty
slowly above 20kHz, actually, so there is definitely audible musical content
up there that they can reproduce quite well.
Stephen Sank

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From copytec at coqui.net  Mon Jul  3 22:12:35 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:12:35 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXl manual
References: <200007022304.JAA13220@necagmx.neca.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <004601bfe52b$07cb9480$16302ac4@coqui.net>

To all Nakkers:

Mr. Stephen Sank has a 1000 ZXL machine from me for a while now and he needs
a copy of some sections of the service manual.
It would be enough to just get the schematics for the auto-calibration
circuits & system control logic, but the complete schematics would be
better.

Can anybody help us ?

Thank you,

Carlos
The Tape Man



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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Jul  4 02:36:29 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:36:29 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re DR-8 and DR-10
Message-ID: <000b01bfe54f$e5ac13a0$1793bccf@steve2>

I can't remember exactly where I read the specific article I based my
statements upon, but I would say start by going to the Audio Engineering
Society's website & the American Institute of Physics website.  I don't have
url's handy, but they should be easy to find on a search engine.  The
article I read described an experiment where they played music selections
that were progressively filtered at the top end, starting with 50kHz &
working their way down.  As I remember, most of the people in the test could
reliably tell the difference between unfiltered & around 40kHz filtered.
The point being that perception of >20k signals is dependent upon a lower
frequency "carrier wave", but does definitely exist in most people.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nestor Natividade <somperfeito at somperfeito.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, July 03, 2000 6:25 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re DR-8 and DR-10


>Hi Stephen,
>> ... Actually, it has been well proven that human hearing extends well
>beyond 20kHz when lower frequency sounds accompany those above that range.
>Some tests have shown the range to be near 50kHz. ... >
>Please, where I can find more information about this specific topic.
>Regards
>Nestor
>
>Mensagem original --------------------------------------------------------
>De: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]
>Em nome de Stephen Sank
>Enviada em: quinta-feira, 29 de junho de 2000    16:31
>Para: naktalk at naks.com
>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] DR-8 and DR-10
>Actually, it has been well proven that human hearing extends well beyond
>20kHz when lower frequency sounds accompany those above that range.  Some
>tests have shown the range to be near 50kHz.  This is part of the whole
>point of 24/96 recording.  The response of 3-head modern Naks drops pretty
>slowly above 20kHz, actually, so there is definitely audible musical
content
>up there that they can reproduce quite well.
>Stephen Sank
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From k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de  Tue Jul  4 11:40:57 2000
From: k.-h.herrmann at fz-juelich.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:40:57 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXl manual
In-Reply-To: <004601bfe52b$07cb9480$16302ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <XFMail.000704114057.k.-h.herrmann@fz-juelich.de>


On 03-Jul-00 Carlos wrote:
> Mr. Stephen Sank has a 1000 ZXL machine from me for a while now and
> he needs a copy of some sections of the service manual.
> It would be enough to just get the schematics for the
> auto-calibration circuits & system control logic, but the complete
> schematics would be better.
> 
> Can anybody help us ?


If you can't find anybody who has it, www.elv.de has it in it's
"Schaltungstechnik" section. The price on that one is somewhat curious
-- the shoppingcart says 23.50DM, a remark says 50DM. (2DM=1$)

Since their website is in German, a mail would probably be easier:

E-Mail:   schaltungsservice at elv.de


K.-H.



Oh: And I'm not connected with that company in any way. If these
remarks go on your nerves, just tell me to stop. But a lot of people
search for these manuals and especially service manuals and this
company has them (in copy) for sale for reasonable prices.


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From Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de  Fri Jul  7 13:20:55 2000
From: Klaus.Fendt.gp at icn.siemens.de (Fendt Klaus)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:20:55 +0200 
Subject: AW: [naktalk] Excellent!
Message-ID: <35CDAB005708D31188810008C7286DE7FF3477@mchh214e.demchh201e.oen.siemens.de>


> Jason Antony wrote:
> > 
> > Hi there all
> > 
> > glad to see it's back so might as well be the first to post [after Wouter,
> > of course *grins*]
> > 
> > My Nak LX-3 is still going great with one exception - the meter levels are
> > all wrong. The right channel always plays back at a lower level than the
> > recorded signal. Does it need recalibration, or could this be indicative
> of
> > something deeper, like head wear or the PB head out of alignment?
> > 
> > Prerecorded tapes are fine, both channels are balanced and sound the same,
> > but tapes recorded on the LX-3 and then played back feature this dropout.
> > 
> > And oh yeah, the deck must be at least 16 years old : ) Got it from a
> > pawnshop last year.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Jason
> > 
> 
> 
	[Klaus Fendt]  
	Jason, keep in mind that the LX3 is not a discrete head deck, so normally the meter shows the level of the incoming signal. I think it's possible that your deck needs a recalibration of the recording parameters (Level and Bias) to your preferred tapes. This is also possible if prerecorded tapes show correct metering like Ron metioned in a previous post.

	Only when prerecorded tapes show mismatch the first thing I would do is clean the heads and the tape transport.

	Btw: Did you notice a change in sound (volume or perhaps missing high frequencies)?

	Regards

		Klaus

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From greggn at ix.netcom.com  Sat Jul  8 00:49:13 2000
From: greggn at ix.netcom.com (Gregg Nixon)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:49:13 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] FS:  DR-3
Message-ID: <001201bfe865$932cf040$a35179a5@pavilion>

For Sale:  Nakamichi DR-3, 2-head cassette deck.

Original owner ... original box and packing.  Purchased in the Fall of 1996
and has seen little use since I went digital a year ago.  $200, plus
shipping (or can be picked-up in the Philadelphia area).

Gregg.

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From lord_galilee at mail.com  Sun Jul  9 03:25:33 2000
From: lord_galilee at mail.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:25:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] Resending: Blank tapes and sorbothane
Message-ID: <383849547.963105933622.JavaMail.root@web313-mc.mail.com>

Hi there all

here's a message I posted as Naktalk was crashing, so it bounced back after
5 days.

-------------------


From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>

<snip>

>My intent was straightforward, that we find useful ways to >incorporate
Sorbothane dampening to our beloved cassette decks, >to improve performance.

I've seen a Sony 2-head deck that proclaims it incorporates sorbothane into
the cassette holder. Will get you the model no. soon. Didn't quite like its
sound tho.

Also - which blank tapes exhibit the best performance, build and sonic
quality etc.? TDK was my fav but then they moved production outside Japan
[not all types] and the quality fell drastically. A few years have passed
however, and as expected with the learning curve effect they have improved,
tho they are still not what they used to be. The inner plastic liners are
still tiny, hell-induced friction is rather high, they still use only four
screws, the tape is thinner than tapes of yore [even tho it's manufactured
in Japan and then assembled in Thailand]. Also the white leader tape doesn't
always measure up to 5 seconds' worth. I'm referring to D60, D90 etc.

Sony has absolutely gone shitty with its FX [type I] tapes made in Italy.
Maxell's UR tapes are quite good but the new UEs will never get to slot in
to my Nak. Hope they wise up and trash them.

I currently use Fuji's DR [type I], made in Korea [?] and Z [type II], tape
made in Japan, assembled in Korea. Both are absolutely brilliant. And yes,
they have centre screws : ) Another favourite would be BASF's 333 [Type II
and IV] Studio Master tapes. Built like tanks and really awesome sound.


I await all your thoughts.

Cheers and regards
Jason

------------------------

Notes:

The tape deck is Sony's KX-315T, I believe.

I've tried out TDK's B tapes and they perform much better than their D
counterparts, with higher MOL and bias handling. D is prone to badly distort
when I reduce the bias to flatten freq. response.


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From lord_galilee at mail.com  Sun Jul  9 03:44:25 2000
From: lord_galilee at mail.com (Jason Antony)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] My wayward LX-3 meters [was: Excellent!]
Message-ID: <386046456.963107065322.JavaMail.root@web142-mc.mail.com>

Hi all there

thanks Klaus, Mike and Ron for your insights. I had no oppurtunity until
yesterday to use my Nak, and I observed the following while recording Joe
Satriani's 'Engines Of Creation' and Steve Vai's 'Passion and Warfare' for
my walkman:

*- I adjusted the rec levels with a pair of headphones for stereo image
balancing, and saw that the left ch. hit +3 while the right ch. hit +5.

*- Made a test recording on a TDK B60 and on playback the meters were
balanced, both touching +5. BUT...

*- While listening to it thru the headphones, the left channel was
considerably louder while the right ch was subdued and its higher
frequencies were diminshed - as if a lowpass filter were applied to it
alone.

*- Went ahead and taped em all, and played it back on my walkman, to find
that both channels are balanced with all frequencies present.

*- Previously I'd played back a tape I'd made on my Nak under similar
conditions, on a Sony deck. Both meters were again balanced, but they only
hit +3, and not +5.

*- There's not much difference between tape types and brands - however I
strive for perfection and no faults is good news :-D

*- The rec/pb head is in great condition.

Now what should I infer from all this? I can't afford an overhaul as I'm an
impoverished student in Australia! However if I download one of the service
manuals from the naks ftp site I should be able to deduce where the meter
adjusters are located. But as I'm not 100% sure that this is the only fault,
and more importantly I don't have a reference tape[!!!] So I'm gonna be
sensible and wait for your replies : )

Have fun!

Jason


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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Sun Jul  9 05:23:30 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:23:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???
Message-ID: <ABJBOENMDFKIAAAA@angelfire.com>

Occasionally, when I press the power button on my RX-505, I get a strange shuddering sound from the inside as the startup light is flashing to initialize the system operation.  I've been listening carefully, and the shudder vibration (moderate strength) seems to be originating from the area just behind where the capstans & headsd are located.  This has been occuring only just few weeks, and other than these annoying shudders (which seem to happen about once every six to eight times I fire up the deck), the deck performs quite satisfactorily.  I'm wondering whether this is a serious symptom, or just signs of an classic deck settling into older operational age.  Perhaps its time for a professional checkup, huh?

Any advice from my fellow Nak Brothers is appreciated.....

Blues

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From NakamiKaze at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  9 18:17:18 2000
From: NakamiKaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:17:18 +0200
Subject: RE[naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???
Message-ID: <20000709162153.1047.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hi Blues,
What you experiment seem to be the same noise, in the same
conditions as the 2 
dragons I know, and a LX3.
I think it is related with the tape anti-slack system.
perhaps the idler hub begins slighly worn...
another trouble I face is a noisy grinding stop after rewind the tape.
- look to the take up reel when you attempt to power up the 
deck, for the dragons, no rotation occurs -or poor- during noise.
I never get affraid of as these 3 decks has ever perform well,
this intermittent noise never degenerates into shit nightmare for the instance.
Just currious about the answer/solution.
Matyas

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From raah at concentric.net  Sun Jul  9 20:41:42 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:41:42 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] My wayward LX-3 meters [was: Excellent!]
References: <386046456.963107065322.JavaMail.root@web142-mc.mail.com>
Message-ID: <3968C766.9A6635EE@concentric.net>

Jason Antony wrote:
> 
> Hi all there
> 
> thanks Klaus, Mike and Ron for your insights. I had no oppurtunity until
> yesterday to use my Nak, and I observed the following while recording Joe
> Satriani's 'Engines Of Creation' and Steve Vai's 'Passion and Warfare' for
> my walkman:
> 
> *- I adjusted the rec levels with a pair of headphones for stereo image
> balancing, and saw that the left ch. hit +3 while the right ch. hit +5.

But that could be the stereo signal difference. I would
repeat, using a
mono signal feeding both channels through a Y connector.

> *- Made a test recording on a TDK B60 and on playback the meters were
> balanced, both touching +5. BUT...
> 
> *- While listening to it thru the headphones, the left channel was
> considerably louder while the right ch was subdued and its higher
> frequencies were diminshed - as if a lowpass filter were applied to it
> alone.

This is inconclusive, due to the reason stated above. It
does look,
however, like the right channel of the deck playback line
amplifier
is bad.

 > *- Went ahead and taped em all, and played it back on my
walkman, to find
> that both channels are balanced with all frequencies present.

Again, this inconclusively supports the above.

> *- Previously I'd played back a tape I'd made on my Nak under similar
> conditions, on a Sony deck. Both meters were again balanced, but they only
> hit +3, and not +5.

Absolute indcation level is deck dependent and immaterial
for the 
purpose of this discussion. This again, supports the
previous conclusion.

> *- There's not much difference between tape types and brands - however I
> strive for perfection and no faults is good news :-D
> 
> *- The rec/pb head is in great condition.
> 
> Now what should I infer from all this? I can't afford an overhaul as I'm an
> impoverished student in Australia! However if I download one of the service
> manuals from the naks ftp site I should be able to deduce where the meter
> adjusters are located. But as I'm not 100% sure that this is the only fault,
> and more importantly I don't have a reference tape[!!!] So I'm gonna be
> sensible and wait for your replies : )

I would not touch the meter adjustments before verifying the
deck line amplifier. You can try two more tests:

1. Record a mono signal, adjusting rec levels so both meters
move
   identically. Listen to the result through another, known
good,
   deck. If OK, your record path, including meters, is fine.

2. Play a prerecorded tape through your LX-3. (Ideally, it
will 
   be a mono recording. Maybe you can make one on a friend's
machine?)
   If bad, it pinpoints your PB amplifier. If meter readings
show
   imbalance, this would place the fault *before* the
metering
   point.

   If the recording is in stereo, make allowance for the
stereo
   separation affecting the balance between channels. 

Hope this helps,

-- Ron
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sun Jul  9 23:07:03 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:07:03 -0600
Subject: RE[naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???
Message-ID: <001001bfe9e9$a2b536a0$1693bccf@steve2>

The shuddering noise, which is the anti-slack take-up, is common & nothing
to worry about.  It is actually a sign that your idler is still quite
healthy, and you don't have to worry about tape-eating, assuming no other
problems.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matyas <NakamiKaze at hotmail.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 11:00 AM
Subject: RE[naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???


Hi Blues,
What you experiment seem to be the same noise, in the same
conditions as the 2
dragons I know, and a LX3.
I think it is related with the tape anti-slack system.
perhaps the idler hub begins slighly worn...
another trouble I face is a noisy grinding stop after rewind the tape.
- look to the take up reel when you attempt to power up the
deck, for the dragons, no rotation occurs -or poor- during noise.
I never get affraid of as these 3 decks has ever perform well,
this intermittent noise never degenerates into shit nightmare for the
instance.
Just currious about the answer/solution.
Matyas

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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Mon Jul 10 07:36:05 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:36:05 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)
Message-ID: <KANMIIOGECAOAAAA@angelfire.com>

Thanks much for the advice, I believe I understand the shudder symptom/diagnosis better now!

Another reminder for me (others too?), what kind of cleaner should be used on crusty capstan stems?  Someone suggested a soft scrub cream (or something like that?).  I've concluded that I've still got some magnetic tape oxides embedded over my 505's capstan stems, and after some gently rubbing alcohol cleaning there still remains a bit of that crustiness.  Kindly assist an old man with his beloved RX-505, and identify the most preferred cleaner.  Optimal technique will also be helpful.  Lastly, any advice on rubber rejuvenating solutions for rollers (one should always be prepared, huh?)?

Sincerely appreciated, my friends!

Blues

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On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:03 naktalk-digest wrote:

> Volume 02 : Number 232
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:23:30 -0700
>From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???
>
>Occasionally, when I press the power button on my RX-505, I get a strange shuddering sound from the inside as the startup light is flashing to initialize the system operation.  I've been listening carefully, and the shudder vibration (moderate strength) seems to be originating from the area just behind where the capstans & headsd are located.  This has been occurring only just a few weeks, and other than these annoying shudders (which seem to happen about once every six to eight times I fire up the deck), the deck performs quite satisfactorily.  I'm wondering whether this is a serious symptom, or just signs of an classic deck settling into older operational age.  Perhaps its time for a professional checkup, huh?
>
>Any advice from my fellow Nak Brothers is appreciated.....
>
>Blues
>
>- ---
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>
>
>
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>
>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:17:18 +0200
>From: "Matyas" <NakamiKaze at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE[naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???
>
>C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.
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>Hi Blues,
>What you experiment seem to be the same noise, in the same conditions as the dragons I know, and a LX3. I think it is related with the tape anti-slack system. perhaps the idler hub begins slighly worn... another trouble I face is a noisy grinding stop after rewind the tape. look to the take up reel when you attempt to power up the deck, for the dragons, no rotation occurs -or poor- during noise. I never get affraid of as these 3 decks has ever perform well, this intermittent noise never degenerates into nightmare for the instance.
Just currious about the answer/solution.
Matyas
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:07:03 -0600
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>Subject: Re: RE[naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???
>
>The shuddering noise, which is the anti-slack take-up, is common & nothing
>to worry about.  It is actually a sign that your idler is still quite
>healthy, and you don't have to worry about tape-eating, assuming no other
>problems.
>
>Stephen Sank
>------------------------------
>
>End of naktalk-digest V2 #232
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>
>


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Jul 10 08:23:29 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:23:29 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
Message-ID: <00a601bfea37$5e551b80$1693bccf@steve2>

I use either Methyl Ethyl Ketone or Intraclean S-711 for everything,
including pinch rollers.  MEK is usually only available at building supply
places, in the solvents area near the paint.  Wicked stuff, but it is the
best for removing tape oxides & oxidized rubber.  S-711 is much gentler, but
essential for cleaning the small idlers on the BX & later decks, as MEK for
some reason makes that particular rubber re-oxidise quickly.  The reel
idlers on the real Nak transports, RX-505 included, rarely need cleaning,
but MEK works great when they do.  I avoid "rubber rejuvinator" fluids, as
they do not clean as well & have a very temporary effect.  Be sure to get
wooden-handled q-tips, as the regular ones aren't wrapped tightly enough to
be either effective or safe & will shed fibers like crazy.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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-----Original Message-----
From: The BlueSwapper <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:11 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)


>Thanks much for the advice, I believe I understand the shudder
symptom/diagnosis better now!
>
>Another reminder for me (others too?), what kind of cleaner should be used
on crusty capstan stems?  Someone suggested a soft scrub cream (or something
like that?).  I've concluded that I've still got some magnetic tape oxides
embedded over my 505's capstan stems, and after some gently rubbing alcohol
cleaning there still remains a bit of that crustiness.  Kindly assist an old
man with his beloved RX-505, and identify the most preferred cleaner.
Optimal technique will also be helpful.  Lastly, any advice on rubber
rejuvenating solutions for rollers (one should always be prepared, huh?)?
>
>Sincerely appreciated, my friends!
>
>Blues
>
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>Where's Dr CrO2?  Does he know where his cassettes are stored??
>
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>
>
>
>On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:03 naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>> Volume 02 : Number 232
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:23:30 -0700
>>From: "The BlueSwapper" <blueswapper at angelfire.com>
>>Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???
>>
>>Occasionally, when I press the power button on my RX-505, I get a strange
shuddering sound from the inside as the startup light is flashing to
initialize the system operation.  I've been listening carefully, and the
shudder vibration (moderate strength) seems to be originating from the area
just behind where the capstans & headsd are located.  This has been
occurring only just a few weeks, and other than these annoying shudders
(which seem to happen about once every six to eight times I fire up the
deck), the deck performs quite satisfactorily.  I'm wondering whether this
is a serious symptom, or just signs of an classic deck settling into older
operational age.  Perhaps its time for a professional checkup, huh?
>>
>>Any advice from my fellow Nak Brothers is appreciated.....
>>
>>Blues
>>
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>>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:17:18 +0200
>>From: "Matyas" <NakamiKaze at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: RE[naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???
>>
>>C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.
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>>Hi Blues,
>>What you experiment seem to be the same noise, in the same conditions as
the dragons I know, and a LX3. I think it is related with the tape
anti-slack system. perhaps the idler hub begins slighly worn... another
trouble I face is a noisy grinding stop after rewind the tape. look to the
take up reel when you attempt to power up the deck, for the dragons, no
rotation occurs -or poor- during noise. I never get affraid of as these 3
decks has ever perform well, this intermittent noise never degenerates into
nightmare for the instance.
>Just currious about the answer/solution.
>Matyas
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:07:03 -0600
>>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>>Subject: Re: RE[naktalk] RX-505 Troubles???
>>
>>The shuddering noise, which is the anti-slack take-up, is common & nothing
>>to worry about.  It is actually a sign that your idler is still quite
>>healthy, and you don't have to worry about tape-eating, assuming no other
>>problems.
>>
>>Stephen Sank
>>------------------------------
>>
>>End of naktalk-digest V2 #232
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>>
>>
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From raah at concentric.net  Mon Jul 10 16:15:58 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:15:58 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)
References: <KANMIIOGECAOAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <3969DA9E.8CDCCCAB@concentric.net>

The BlueSwapper wrote:
> 
> Thanks much for the advice, I believe I understand the shudder
> symptom/diagnosis better now!
> 
> Another reminder for me (others too?), what kind of cleaner
> should be used on crusty capstan stems?  Someone suggested a
> soft scrub cream (or something like that?).

I was the one that suggested Soft Scrub, and maybe I should
clarify. This is NOT part of the regular cleaning regime,
but
an extreme solution, after cleaning by regular means has
failed.
If all you use is Isopropyl Alcohol, which is very mild,
then you
should try a stronger cleaner before resorting to scrubbing.
The
best cleaner I have found is trichlorotrifluoroethane.
Industrial
name (easier to remember) is TTF-113. The stuff should not
be
treated lightly (or even touched), but is the best cleaner
around.
I had a bottle of it. It was sold by DEC (now defunct), as
tape
head cleaner for computer applications. I just ran out of it
and
now have a hell of a time finding a place that sells it.

As Stephen says, MEK should be good, too. Only after
exhausting a
chemical cleaner capabilities should one resort to
mechanical means.
The important thing to remember is that the capstans should
not be
burnished to the point where they are smooth and shiny --
just to
the point where they are clean.

Hope this clarifies my original post.

-- Ron
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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Mon Jul 10 06:18:45 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:48:45 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
Message-ID: <000801bfea25$f1c6f260$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Stephen and Mr Blues
I have been using pure Eyhyle Alcohol - 99,0% mostly and we may have to
apply pressure to remove the oxides using soft cooton cloth and found the
results pretty good. One has to use this often and even pinch rollers are
cleaned effectively. Applying thump pressure over the capstan is quite
effective over the cotton ( like cooton hand kerchief) with good qty of
Ethyl.
Another surprising thing I found is cleaning the back of take up spool using
this solution helped me to solve stopping due to dust covering the
reflective band behind the take up spool. Sometimes due to poor reflection,
optical sensor stops the take up spool during play or fast farward
movements.
This is particularly of Decks placed in dusty environment - My BX1 and BX
300 both had this problem and after cleaning , they work fine
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)


>I use either Methyl Ethyl Ketone or Intraclean S-711 for everything,
>including pinch rollers.  MEK is usually only available at building supply
>places, in the solvents area near the paint.  Wicked stuff, but it is the
>best for removing tape oxides & oxidized rubber.  S-711 is much gentler,
but
>essential for cleaning the small idlers on the BX & later decks, as MEK for
>some reason makes that particular rubber re-oxidise quickly.  The reel
>idlers on the real Nak transports, RX-505 included, rarely need cleaning,
>but MEK works great when they do.  I avoid "rubber rejuvinator" fluids, as
>they do not clean as well & have a very temporary effect.  Be sure to get
>wooden-handled q-tips, as the regular ones aren't wrapped tightly enough to
>be either effective or safe & will shed fibers like crazy.
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>

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From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Jul 10 19:28:13 2000
From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:28:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
In-Reply-To: <000801bfea25$f1c6f260$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <000201bfea94$39952bc0$6933883e@a4s1s2>

This is dialogue has been most interesting and useful.  I do, however, have
a tinge of concern.  I had been led to understand that alcohol, esp. Iso',
can have a detrimental effect on the rubber of the rollers, that it "dries
them out" so to speak and brings on a deterioration in them sooner than
might otherwise occur.  Is this wrong, or is there an element of truth in
it?

Graham

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> Kannan. S
> Sent: 10 July 2000 05:19
> To: naktalk at naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
>
>
> Dear Stephen and Mr Blues
> I have been using pure Eyhyle Alcohol - 99,0% mostly and we may have to
> apply pressure to remove the oxides using soft cooton cloth and found the
> results pretty good. One has to use this often and even pinch rollers are
> cleaned effectively. Applying thump pressure over the capstan is quite
> effective over the cotton ( like cooton hand kerchief) with good qty of
> Ethyl.
> Another surprising thing I found is cleaning the back of take up
> spool using
> this solution helped me to solve stopping due to dust covering the
> reflective band behind the take up spool. Sometimes due to poor
> reflection,
> optical sensor stops the take up spool during play or fast farward
> movements.
> This is particularly of Decks placed in dusty environment - My BX1 and BX
> 300 both had this problem and after cleaning , they work fine
> Kannan

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Jul 10 20:29:43 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:29:43 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
Message-ID: <00df01bfea9c$d1ec8640$1693bccf@steve2>

I have never witnessed any "drying out" effect on rollers cleaned regularly
with alcohol, or MEK, for that matter.  The only problem with alcohol is
that it does not have the ability to take the complete layer of oxidised
rubber off, as MEK does.
Kannan, I am amazed that you have enough dust flying around to coat the
reflective surfaces on the reel table backs.  I live in a high desert, where
dust worse than I have ever seen, and I have never had such a problem.  You
must live inside a coal mine.
As for trichlortriflouroethane, this used to be the base material of
Intraclean S-711, who now uses a slight variant, as this chemical is banned
in America now.  I have found it to be less effective than MEK in general,
except, as I noted, for cleaning the small BX/CR idlers.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
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-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Nelson <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)


>This is dialogue has been most interesting and useful.  I do, however, have
>a tinge of concern.  I had been led to understand that alcohol, esp. Iso',
>can have a detrimental effect on the rubber of the rollers, that it "dries
>them out" so to speak and brings on a deterioration in them sooner than
>might otherwise occur.  Is this wrong, or is there an element of truth in
>it?
>
>Graham
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
>> Kannan. S
>> Sent: 10 July 2000 05:19
>> To: naktalk at naks.com
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
>>
>>
>> Dear Stephen and Mr Blues
>> I have been using pure Eyhyle Alcohol - 99,0% mostly and we may have to
>> apply pressure to remove the oxides using soft cooton cloth and found the
>> results pretty good. One has to use this often and even pinch rollers are
>> cleaned effectively. Applying thump pressure over the capstan is quite
>> effective over the cotton ( like cooton hand kerchief) with good qty of
>> Ethyl.
>> Another surprising thing I found is cleaning the back of take up
>> spool using
>> this solution helped me to solve stopping due to dust covering the
>> reflective band behind the take up spool. Sometimes due to poor
>> reflection,
>> optical sensor stops the take up spool during play or fast farward
>> movements.
>> This is particularly of Decks placed in dusty environment - My BX1 and BX
>> 300 both had this problem and after cleaning , they work fine
>> Kannan
>
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Tue Jul 11 00:18:28 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:18:28 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
Message-ID: <396A4BB4.7C3C298B@xs4all.nl>

Thanks to Norman we can now all read the service manual of the Nakamichi
582!
It's online here:

ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/

Wouter

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From enoyes at snet.net  Tue Jul 11 04:38:50 2000
From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:38:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
References: <000201bfea94$39952bc0$6933883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <396A88B9.9DBDE535@snet.net>

Interesting since just the other day I was trying to clean up a belt just enough to
use for test purposes and I said to the tech "I know this is about the worst thing you
can put on a belt... " as I reached for the isopropyl. He told me that you really
shouldn't put anything but iso' on rubber (especially pinch rollers) unless under
extreme conditions and that it's nearly universally recommended! Go figure. I have to
say that I've owned my 600 since I was 16... almost 20 years ago... yikes! For over a
decade I cleaned it with nothing but iso until hearing that the stuff was bad or
something. I have to say the pinch roller looks quite good

Stephen, we know what you use, but I still wonder what your take on the use of iso is
with respect to pinch rollers and other rubber... not so much effectiveness as if it's
damaging?

Regards,
Ed

Graham Nelson wrote:

> This is dialogue has been most interesting and useful.  I do, however, have
> a tinge of concern.  I had been led to understand that alcohol, esp. Iso',
> can have a detrimental effect on the rubber of the rollers, that it "dries
> them out" so to speak and brings on a deterioration in them sooner than
> might otherwise occur.  Is this wrong, or is there an element of truth in
> it?
>
> Graham
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of
> > Kannan. S
> > Sent: 10 July 2000 05:19
> > To: naktalk at naks.com
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
> >
> >
> > Dear Stephen and Mr Blues
> > I have been using pure Eyhyle Alcohol - 99,0% mostly and we may have to
> > apply pressure to remove the oxides using soft cooton cloth and found the
> > results pretty good. One has to use this often and even pinch rollers are
> > cleaned effectively. Applying thump pressure over the capstan is quite
> > effective over the cotton ( like cooton hand kerchief) with good qty of
> > Ethyl.
> > Another surprising thing I found is cleaning the back of take up
> > spool using
> > this solution helped me to solve stopping due to dust covering the
> > reflective band behind the take up spool. Sometimes due to poor
> > reflection,
> > optical sensor stops the take up spool during play or fast farward
> > movements.
> > This is particularly of Decks placed in dusty environment - My BX1 and BX
> > 300 both had this problem and after cleaning , they work fine
> > Kannan
>
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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Mon Jul 10 20:01:30 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:31:30 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
Message-ID: <003301bfea98$e172f800$42d60192@vsnl>

Thanks a lot Wouter and ofcourse Norman as I was waiting for this!
Wouter when will you be able to host my BX1 service manual upload - sorry I
could not lay my hands on program for making PDF files
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:36 AM
Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online


>Thanks to Norman we can now all read the service manual of the Nakamichi
>582!
>It's online here:
>
>ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/
>
>Wouter
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From n.van.wijnen at altavista.net  Tue Jul 11 08:30:22 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at altavista.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:30:22 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
References: <003301bfea98$e172f800$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <000a01bfeb01$7e38a780$65182c91@windesheim.nl>

Hello Kannan,

What type of files do you have ?

Greetings

Norman van Wijnen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kannan. S" <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: maandag 10 juli 2000 20:01
Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online


> Thanks a lot Wouter and ofcourse Norman as I was waiting for this!
> Wouter when will you be able to host my BX1 service manual upload - sorry
I
> could not lay my hands on program for making PDF files
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:36 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>
>
> >Thanks to Norman we can now all read the service manual of the Nakamichi
> >582!
> >It's online here:
> >
> >ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/
> >
> >Wouter
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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Tue Jul 11 00:12:28 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:42:28 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
Message-ID: <000401bfeabb$efcaea20$42d60192@vsnl>

I had sent tiff format files of BX1 service manual and uploaded to incoming
of Naks server and Wouter promised to get it converted, ofcourse if you can,
I will pass on those files to you
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at altavista.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online


>Hello Kannan,
>
>What type of files do you have ?
>
>Greetings
>
>Norman van Wijnen
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kannan. S" <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: maandag 10 juli 2000 20:01
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>
>
>> Thanks a lot Wouter and ofcourse Norman as I was waiting for this!
>> Wouter when will you be able to host my BX1 service manual upload - sorry
>I
>> could not lay my hands on program for making PDF files
>> Kannan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:36 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>>
>>
>> >Thanks to Norman we can now all read the service manual of the Nakamichi
>> >582!
>> >It's online here:
>> >
>> >ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/
>> >
>> >Wouter
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Jul 11 10:21:25 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:21:25 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
Message-ID: <01be01bfeb11$031d81a0$1693bccf@steve2>

Hi, Ed.  Good to not hear from you for so long, i.e., everything is working
fine.  To clarify, no, I have not seen any negative effects of isopropyl or
ethyl alcohol upon rubber or anything else, just lack of effectiveness.
I should mention that MEK, while it is my favorite cleaning sovent, is
listed as being potentially damaging to the liver, so please avoid letting
it absorb into your skin or inhaling it.  And just FORGET about making
martinis with it.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Noyes <enoyes at snet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)


>Interesting since just the other day I was trying to clean up a belt just
enough to
>use for test purposes and I said to the tech "I know this is about the
worst thing you
>can put on a belt... " as I reached for the isopropyl. He told me that you
really
>shouldn't put anything but iso' on rubber (especially pinch rollers) unless
under
>extreme conditions and that it's nearly universally recommended! Go figure.
I have to
>say that I've owned my 600 since I was 16... almost 20 years ago... yikes!
For over a
>decade I cleaned it with nothing but iso until hearing that the stuff was
bad or
>something. I have to say the pinch roller looks quite good
>
>Stephen, we know what you use, but I still wonder what your take on the use
of iso is
>with respect to pinch rollers and other rubber... not so much effectiveness
as if it's
>damaging?
>
>Regards,
>Ed
>
>Graham Nelson wrote:
>
>> This is dialogue has been most interesting and useful.  I do, however,
have
>> a tinge of concern.  I had been led to understand that alcohol, esp.
Iso',
>> can have a detrimental effect on the rubber of the rollers, that it
"dries
>> them out" so to speak and brings on a deterioration in them sooner than
>> might otherwise occur.  Is this wrong, or is there an element of truth in
>> it?
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf
Of
>> > Kannan. S
>> > Sent: 10 July 2000 05:19
>> > To: naktalk at naks.com
>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Stephen and Mr Blues
>> > I have been using pure Eyhyle Alcohol - 99,0% mostly and we may have to
>> > apply pressure to remove the oxides using soft cooton cloth and found
the
>> > results pretty good. One has to use this often and even pinch rollers
are
>> > cleaned effectively. Applying thump pressure over the capstan is quite
>> > effective over the cotton ( like cooton hand kerchief) with good qty of
>> > Ethyl.
>> > Another surprising thing I found is cleaning the back of take up
>> > spool using
>> > this solution helped me to solve stopping due to dust covering the
>> > reflective band behind the take up spool. Sometimes due to poor
>> > reflection,
>> > optical sensor stops the take up spool during play or fast farward
>> > movements.
>> > This is particularly of Decks placed in dusty environment - My BX1 and
BX
>> > 300 both had this problem and after cleaning , they work fine
>> > Kannan
>>
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From n.van.wijnen at altavista.net  Tue Jul 11 14:04:06 2000
From: n.van.wijnen at altavista.net (Norman van Wijnen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:04:06 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
References: <000401bfeabb$efcaea20$42d60192@vsnl>
Message-ID: <000801bfeb30$1dd4b4e0$65182c91@windesheim.nl>

Yes i can help because my pdf maker can convert tif to pdf.
You can send them to n.van.wijnen at castel.nl but we must contact Wouter if he
has not done the job already ,i think .

Greetings

Norman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kannan. S" <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: dinsdag 11 juli 2000 0:12
Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online


> I had sent tiff format files of BX1 service manual and uploaded to
incoming
> of Naks server and Wouter promised to get it converted, ofcourse if you
can,
> I will pass on those files to you
> Kannan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at altavista.net>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>
>
> >Hello Kannan,
> >
> >What type of files do you have ?
> >
> >Greetings
> >
> >Norman van Wijnen
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kannan. S" <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
> >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> >Sent: maandag 10 juli 2000 20:01
> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
> >
> >
> >> Thanks a lot Wouter and ofcourse Norman as I was waiting for this!
> >> Wouter when will you be able to host my BX1 service manual upload -
sorry
> >I
> >> could not lay my hands on program for making PDF files
> >> Kannan
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:36 AM
> >> Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
> >>
> >>
> >> >Thanks to Norman we can now all read the service manual of the
Nakamichi
> >> >582!
> >> >It's online here:
> >> >
> >> >ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/
> >> >
> >> >Wouter
> >> >
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From copytec at coqui.net  Tue Jul 11 15:08:19 2000
From: copytec at coqui.net (Carlos)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:08:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)
References: <KANMIIOGECAOAAAA@angelfire.com>
Message-ID: <004001bfeb39$15e42640$252f2ac4@coqui.net>




>
> Another reminder for me (others too?), what kind of cleaner should be used
on crusty capstan stems?

Hello Blues and fellows:

Honestly speaking, I've been hearing this alcohol damage stuff on the
rollers for 25 years now, and guess what ? I've been cleaning all my decks
with it for ever with no harmful effects. BTW, I have never seen a dry
roller because of alcohol cleaning ever in my life. The best way to avoid
crusty capstan's is to clean your machine regularly. I have an Studer
(sorry!) with 15 years now and the capstan's are like new as all my other
decks. Take in consideration that after each recording your deck is similar
to you after lunch: you clean your teeth,so, clean the heads and tape path
too !

On the other hand, I rarely demag my machines and guess what too ? Never has
a problem,so, what I mean is that sometimes we get too nervous or anxious
and maybe fanatic about such or such theory while in practice and real life
is another matter.

Hope this help, fellows. Sorry that I hasn't been so active in this list as
before but my business is driving me crazy. Anyway,count on me for any help.

Best,

Tha Tape Man

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From raah at concentric.net  Tue Jul 11 18:14:14 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:14:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)
References: <KANMIIOGECAOAAAA@angelfire.com> <004001bfeb39$15e42640$252f2ac4@coqui.net>
Message-ID: <396B47D6.35FA49AA@concentric.net>

Carlos wrote:
> 
> >
> > Another reminder for me (others too?), what kind of cleaner should be used
> on crusty capstan stems?
> 
> Hello Blues and fellows:
> 
> Honestly speaking, I've been hearing this alcohol damage stuff on the
> rollers for 25 years now, and guess what ? I've been cleaning all my decks
> with it for ever with no harmful effects.

I have been using TF-113 (trichlorotrifluoroethae) for
cleaning
the whole tape path for years and years -- on cassette
decks,
computer tape drives and VCRs. It's a much more powerful
degreaser
than isopropyl alcohol, isopropanol or even MEK. Yet the
only
damage I have ever seen on pinch rollers has been due to
time.
When they're very old, they do harden and I replace them. I
have
only done this twice in my life. Pinch rollers are among the
cheapest components you can find on a deck and I don't
begrudge
their cost once every 10 to 15 years. I don't really know
whether
they would l have lasted longer had I used a weaker cleaner.

BTW, Stephen was right -- I couldn't find TTF-113 anywhere,
so
it probably *is* illegal now. I settled for a mix of
dichloroethane and tetrafluoroethane for metal part cleaning
and a mixture of isopropanol and tetrafluoroethane for heads
and pinch roller cleaning. Both are distributed by MG
Chemicals
and are available in Electronics supply stores as Flux
Remover
and Head Cleaner, respectively. 

BTW, a friend suggested that I should have added a
warning...
These fluids are very strong degreasers. When cleaning
capstans
vertically, one should be very careful not to let the stuff
drip onto the capstan bearings. If this ever happens, let it
evaporate, then immediately lubricate the bearing with light
machine oil. 

> BTW, I have never seen a dry
> roller because of alcohol cleaning ever in my life. The best way to avoid
> crusty capstan's is to clean your machine regularly. I have an Studer
> (sorry!) with 15 years now and the capstan's are like new as all my other
> decks. Take in consideration that after each recording your deck is similar
> to you after lunch: you clean your teeth,so, clean the heads and tape path
> too !
> 
> On the other hand, I rarely demag my machines and guess what too ? Never has
> a problem,so, what I mean is that sometimes we get too nervous or anxious
> and maybe fanatic about such or such theory while in practice and real life
> is another matter.

My take is that machines that record frequently probably do
not
need demagnetization. However, if used predominantly for PB,
I
feel it's a good idea to demag occasionally. I demag my car
cassette player regularly, my home machine every 10 hours or
so.
I *have* seen tapes that were ruined (sound like AM radio)
and I
believe in 'better safe than sorry'.

-- Ron


 
> Hope this help, fellows. Sorry that I hasn't been so active in this list as
> before but my business is driving me crazy. Anyway,count on me for any help.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Tha Tape Man
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Jul 11 21:12:28 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:12:28 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)
Message-ID: <029b01bfeb6b$f6189f20$1693bccf@steve2>

Careful, Ron.  The MG Flux Remover is very, very harmful to many different
plastics, and I definitely would not use it on rubber, either.  MEK does
harm some styrene-based plastics, but not the nylon types that are used on
the tape guides & such.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <raah at concentric.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)


>Carlos wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Another reminder for me (others too?), what kind of cleaner should be
used
>> on crusty capstan stems?
>>
>> Hello Blues and fellows:
>>
>> Honestly speaking, I've been hearing this alcohol damage stuff on the
>> rollers for 25 years now, and guess what ? I've been cleaning all my
decks
>> with it for ever with no harmful effects.
>
>I have been using TF-113 (trichlorotrifluoroethae) for
>cleaning
>the whole tape path for years and years -- on cassette
>decks,
>computer tape drives and VCRs. It's a much more powerful
>degreaser
>than isopropyl alcohol, isopropanol or even MEK. Yet the
>only
>damage I have ever seen on pinch rollers has been due to
>time.
>When they're very old, they do harden and I replace them. I
>have
>only done this twice in my life. Pinch rollers are among the
>cheapest components you can find on a deck and I don't
>begrudge
>their cost once every 10 to 15 years. I don't really know
>whether
>they would l have lasted longer had I used a weaker cleaner.
>
>BTW, Stephen was right -- I couldn't find TTF-113 anywhere,
>so
>it probably *is* illegal now. I settled for a mix of
>dichloroethane and tetrafluoroethane for metal part cleaning
>and a mixture of isopropanol and tetrafluoroethane for heads
>and pinch roller cleaning. Both are distributed by MG
>Chemicals
>and are available in Electronics supply stores as Flux
>Remover
>and Head Cleaner, respectively.
>
>BTW, a friend suggested that I should have added a
>warning...
>These fluids are very strong degreasers. When cleaning
>capstans
>vertically, one should be very careful not to let the stuff
>drip onto the capstan bearings. If this ever happens, let it
>evaporate, then immediately lubricate the bearing with light
>machine oil.
>
>> BTW, I have never seen a dry
>> roller because of alcohol cleaning ever in my life. The best way to avoid
>> crusty capstan's is to clean your machine regularly. I have an Studer
>> (sorry!) with 15 years now and the capstan's are like new as all my other
>> decks. Take in consideration that after each recording your deck is
similar
>> to you after lunch: you clean your teeth,so, clean the heads and tape
path
>> too !
>>
>> On the other hand, I rarely demag my machines and guess what too ? Never
has
>> a problem,so, what I mean is that sometimes we get too nervous or anxious
>> and maybe fanatic about such or such theory while in practice and real
life
>> is another matter.
>
>My take is that machines that record frequently probably do
>not
>need demagnetization. However, if used predominantly for PB,
>I
>feel it's a good idea to demag occasionally. I demag my car
>cassette player regularly, my home machine every 10 hours or
>so.
>I *have* seen tapes that were ruined (sound like AM radio)
>and I
>believe in 'better safe than sorry'.
>
>-- Ron
>
>
>
>> Hope this help, fellows. Sorry that I hasn't been so active in this list
as
>> before but my business is driving me crazy. Anyway,count on me for any
help.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tha Tape Man
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From cjsfeng at sfu.ca  Wed Jul 12 15:04:40 2000
From: cjsfeng at sfu.ca (Desmond Hidson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:04:40 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)
In-Reply-To: <000201bfea94$39952bc0$6933883e@a4s1s2>
References: <000201bfea94$39952bc0$6933883e@a4s1s2>
Message-ID: <f04320401b5921d11c1f8@[142.58.46.27]>

>This is dialogue has been most interesting and useful.  I do, however, have
>a tinge of concern.  I had been led to understand that alcohol, esp. Iso',
>can have a detrimental effect on the rubber of the rollers, that it "dries
>them out" so to speak and brings on a deterioration in them sooner than
>might otherwise occur.  Is this wrong, or is there an element of truth in
>it?
>
>Graham


True.

Des
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From wheijke at xs4all.nl  Thu Jul 13 23:24:56 2000
From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:24:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
References: <000401bfeabb$efcaea20$42d60192@vsnl> <000801bfeb30$1dd4b4e0$65182c91@windesheim.nl>
Message-ID: <396E33A8.6DB2F998@xs4all.nl>

Yes I remember those, I haven't seen them after the server crash, have to look at my
home-computer if they are there.
I didn;t have any tif to pdf software at that time, now I also have it...

Wouter

Norman van Wijnen wrote:

> Yes i can help because my pdf maker can convert tif to pdf.
> You can send them to n.van.wijnen at castel.nl but we must contact Wouter if he
> has not done the job already ,i think .
>
> Greetings
>
> Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kannan. S" <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> Sent: dinsdag 11 juli 2000 0:12
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>
> > I had sent tiff format files of BX1 service manual and uploaded to
> incoming
> > of Naks server and Wouter promised to get it converted, ofcourse if you
> can,
> > I will pass on those files to you
> > Kannan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at altavista.net>
> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 1:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
> >
> >
> > >Hello Kannan,
> > >
> > >What type of files do you have ?
> > >
> > >Greetings
> > >
> > >Norman van Wijnen
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Kannan. S" <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >Sent: maandag 10 juli 2000 20:01
> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
> > >
> > >
> > >> Thanks a lot Wouter and ofcourse Norman as I was waiting for this!
> > >> Wouter when will you be able to host my BX1 service manual upload -
> sorry
> > >I
> > >> could not lay my hands on program for making PDF files
> > >> Kannan
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
> > >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> > >> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:36 AM
> > >> Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >Thanks to Norman we can now all read the service manual of the
> Nakamichi
> > >> >582!
> > >> >It's online here:
> > >> >
> > >> >ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/
> > >> >
> > >> >Wouter
> > >> >
> > >>
> >

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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Thu Jul 13 19:01:47 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:31:47 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
Message-ID: <000401bfecec$09896720$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Wouter
I can upload the same again to Naks com server - incoming folder on this
Sunday as they are huge and takes time to upload, is it allright? or shall I
mail those files to Norman?
Kindly reply
-----Original Message-----
From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, July 14, 2000 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online


>Yes I remember those, I haven't seen them after the server crash, have to
look at my
>home-computer if they are there.
>I didn;t have any tif to pdf software at that time, now I also have it...
>
>Wouter
>
>Norman van Wijnen wrote:
>
>> Yes i can help because my pdf maker can convert tif to pdf.
>> You can send them to n.van.wijnen at castel.nl but we must contact Wouter if
he
>> has not done the job already ,i think .
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kannan. S" <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Sent: dinsdag 11 juli 2000 0:12
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>>
>> > I had sent tiff format files of BX1 service manual and uploaded to
>> incoming
>> > of Naks server and Wouter promised to get it converted, ofcourse if you
>> can,
>> > I will pass on those files to you
>> > Kannan
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Norman van Wijnen <n.van.wijnen at altavista.net>
>> > To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 1:03 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>> >
>> >
>> > >Hello Kannan,
>> > >
>> > >What type of files do you have ?
>> > >
>> > >Greetings
>> > >
>> > >Norman van Wijnen
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "Kannan. S" <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
>> > >To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > >Sent: maandag 10 juli 2000 20:01
>> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Thanks a lot Wouter and ofcourse Norman as I was waiting for this!
>> > >> Wouter when will you be able to host my BX1 service manual upload -
>> sorry
>> > >I
>> > >> could not lay my hands on program for making PDF files
>> > >> Kannan
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>> > >> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> > >> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:36 AM
>> > >> Subject: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >Thanks to Norman we can now all read the service manual of the
>> Nakamichi
>> > >> >582!
>> > >> >It's online here:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >ftp://ftp.naks.com/pub/manuals/english/
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Wouter
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
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From raah at concentric.net  Fri Jul 14 14:57:07 2000
From: raah at concentric.net (Ron)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:57:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)
References: <029b01bfeb6b$f6189f20$1693bccf@steve2>
Message-ID: <396F0E23.D1AD01C7@concentric.net>

Stephen Sank wrote:
> 
> Careful, Ron.  The MG Flux Remover is very, very harmful
> to many different plastics, and I definitely would not
> use it on rubber, either.

That's correct. Which is why I said 'for metal parts'. It
*will* do a good job on dirty capstans, though, provided one
is careful not to let it drip into the bearing. I will also
use it on metal guides in VCRs. Not to mention, it's really
good for flushing PCBs after soldering.

-- Ron
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From LOPNOLA at aol.com  Tue Jul 18 02:14:48 2000
From: LOPNOLA at aol.com (LOPNOLA at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:14:48 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Microphones
Message-ID: <4c.8570836.26a4fb78@aol.com>

Hello Naktalkers,

I am looking for Nakamichi microphones in good condition.  Specifically, I am 
interested in the C700 and C1000 series.  I have one C1000 and would like to 
make a pair.  also, I could use some additional C700's for spot mics.

Please reply to:

Larry Phillips
lopnola at aol.com


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Jul 18 03:45:48 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:45:48 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Microphones
Message-ID: <005f01bff059$e766e8e0$1593bccf@steve2>

I think there were about 5 CM1000's sold in the US, so your chances of
finding a second one are slim to nil.  CM700's didn't start selling well
until shortly before they were discontinued, thanks to my father's Audio
Magazine review of it(I have it available online on my "mic docs" page" on
my site), which was quite enthusiastic.  Your odds on finding them is
better, but still not as good as finding CM-300's & CM-100's.  I don't have
any Nak mics available myself, but I do have a pair of CP-703 shotgun
capsules for the CM-700 for sale, if you ever need them.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From: LOPNOLA at aol.com <LOPNOLA at aol.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:03 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Microphones


>Hello Naktalkers,
>
>I am looking for Nakamichi microphones in good condition.  Specifically, I
am
>interested in the C700 and C1000 series.  I have one C1000 and would like
to
>make a pair.  also, I could use some additional C700's for spot mics.
>
>Please reply to:
>
>Larry Phillips
>lopnola at aol.com
>
>
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From blueswapper at angelfire.com  Tue Jul 18 06:45:30 2000
From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:45:30 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Re: Iso 91% Solution (Best Choice???)
Message-ID: <EOHPMADAHACFDAAA@angelfire.com>

Graham.....

I've been using Isoprop 91% for decades, with results I cannot complain about.  Never had a problem with rubber deterioration.  Gets the job done without residual after effects.  Those little crustys on the capstan stems have nagged me recently; but with persistence, I've conquered the problem with satisfaction.  At times I've wondered whether there was a better product, but measuring a superior result to potential carcenogenic effects to the environment and personal self have always quelled my urge to experiment.  Thanks for the astute advice (my fellow NakTalkers), steering clear of those rubber rejuvenators!!! 

Blues

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:28:13   naktalk-digest wrote:
>
>naktalk-digest Monday, July 10 2000          Volume 02 : Number 233
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:28:13 +0100
From: "Graham Nelson" <graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: RX-505 (Shudder!!!)(Maintenance)

This is dialogue has been most interesting and useful.  I do, however, have a tinge of concern.  I had been led to understand that alcohol, esp. Iso', can have a detrimental effect on the rubber of the rollers, that it "dries them out" so to speak and brings on a deterioration in them sooner than might otherwise occur.  Is this wrong, or is there an element of truth in it?

Graham

>
>End of naktalk-digest V2 #233
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From LOPNOLA at aol.com  Tue Jul 18 14:36:55 2000
From: LOPNOLA at aol.com (LOPNOLA at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:36:55 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Microphones
Message-ID: <39.7a32798.26a5a967@aol.com>

Steven,

Thanks for the news regarding the Nak mics.  As it turns out, I know a fellow 
with another C1000, but have been unable to get him to part with it.  He also 
has a pair of 700's with card, omni and the shotgun caps.  Now, if only he 
would become reasonable (yeah, right!!).

You wouldn't know how to get replacement caps for the 700's, would you.

BTW, I think I still have an old photocopy ot the 700 review from audio.  he 
liked it even better than the vaunted RCA77 and the AKG 451 (except for the 
noise level, understandably).


Again thanks for the note.

Larry Phillips
the Electric Ear
New Orleans

PS.  My nak mics (the 1000, the 700's and a triple set of 300's) are still in 
frequent use in recording gigs I do around town.  The 1000 is fabulous as a 
piano spot mic.  Ronnie Kole taught me about stuffing it into the third hole 
in the piano harp when miking live piano.  Fabulous!!!

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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Tue Jul 18 21:36:58 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:36:58 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Microphones
Message-ID: <015701bff0ef$8acb6a20$1593bccf@steve2>

I think you will find it even harder to get CM700 & 1000 capsules than to
find entire mics.  The last time I tried to get a CM-1000 capsule from Nak
was about 12 years ago, and even then, we had to wait almost a year to get
it in from Japan.
The only suggestion I can make is to see if the original maker of the
capsules is still in business.  The company was called "Primo" & were also
in Japan.  It may be possible to at least get them to rebuild any dead
capsules you have.
On the Audio article, I think my dad was a)impressed that a "cheap"
condenser could sound good at all, and b)perhaps had a slight prejudice
against the 77-DX RCA, as it was Harry Olson's design & not his.  If he had
done the comparison with a pair of BK-11 bipolar ribbon mics, that he
designed himself, I think his conclusion would have been reversed.
As for live sound piano miking, my preference was to stick the mic on a
short stand directly under the middle of the piano.  Worked great.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From: LOPNOLA at aol.com <LOPNOLA at aol.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Microphones


>Steven,
>
>Thanks for the news regarding the Nak mics.  As it turns out, I know a
fellow
>with another C1000, but have been unable to get him to part with it.  He
also
>has a pair of 700's with card, omni and the shotgun caps.  Now, if only he
>would become reasonable (yeah, right!!).
>
>You wouldn't know how to get replacement caps for the 700's, would you.
>
>BTW, I think I still have an old photocopy ot the 700 review from audio.
he
>liked it even better than the vaunted RCA77 and the AKG 451 (except for the
>noise level, understandably).
>
>
>Again thanks for the note.
>
>Larry Phillips
>the Electric Ear
>New Orleans
>
>PS.  My nak mics (the 1000, the 700's and a triple set of 300's) are still
in
>frequent use in recording gigs I do around town.  The 1000 is fabulous as a
>piano spot mic.  Ronnie Kole taught me about stuffing it into the third
hole
>in the piano harp when miking live piano.  Fabulous!!!
>
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From LOPNOLA at aol.com  Tue Jul 18 22:10:10 2000
From: LOPNOLA at aol.com (LOPNOLA at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:10:10 EDT
Subject: [naktalk] Microphones
Message-ID: <e0.73dd1c2.26a613a2@aol.com>

Steve,

Thanks for the background.  the omni capsule on one of my 700's was lost 
while on loan to a good friend.  So I have none to rebuild.  I have recently 
bought a pair of Rode NT1 mics and find them extremely satisfying (quiet, 
endless frequency response, good dynamics when use close) and they, like the 
Naks, one of the "current cheap mics".

Thanks again for the correspondence.

NAK forever!!


Larry
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From w.smetanig at chello.at  Thu Jul 20 17:21:07 2000
From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Wolfgang Smetanig)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:21:07 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes
References: <015701bff0ef$8acb6a20$1593bccf@steve2>
Message-ID: <397718E3.F04196DF@chello.at>

Hi to all Nakamaniacs!
Hi Stephen Sank!

I need to repair and adjust some Naka´s (i.e. Dragon, ZX7, CR7, LX5, LX3, RX202,RX505,
BX125, BX300) and therefore I want to know which utilities and tapes I will really need
(there are A and B versions(?) in the service manuals - DA09004A and DA9004B - are
there any differences?) - and - where can I get them (for a reasonable price - best in
Europe)

Thank you all for your answers

Wolfgang Smetanig


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Thu Jul 20 21:41:05 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:41:05 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes
Message-ID: <02de01bff282$728d5b00$1593bccf@steve2>

Essential are:
DA09005 level 400Hz/0vu     (A/B/C/D designations on test tapes just signify
how recent the test tape version is, if their have been changes)
DA09007 track alignment 1kHz (expensive!)
DA09004 azimuth 15kHz
DA09006 speed/w&f 3kHz
with which you can do almost everything you'll need to do, as long as no one
has ever messed with the head tilt & tape guide adjustments.  If they might
have, then you'll need:
DA09039 tilt check gauge (really expensive)(it is possible, but really,
really difficult to get tilts right without it)
DA09071 tape travelling cassette(mirror cassette)(can be made yourself, with
much effort)
    I've never ever needed the erase head tilt gauge or the stroke check
gauge(that one is easy to eyeball) & the take up torque is easily checked
with your fingers(should be just a bit more than enough to keep a moderate
tension on the tape, usually less than a quarter turn from min on the adj
pot on Sankyo mech decks).  The azimuth tape substitutes adequately for the
PB freq response 15kHz tape(if response is down at that freq, you know 20kHz
is only going to be worse).  You will also need, of course, TDK MA, SA & D
blank tapes for rec calibration.  On the CR-7, you are likely to need the
special test unit, DA09101A, which is not too expensive.  For head height
adjusment, use the track alignment tape for the playback head, checking the
azimuth before finalising, then record a 100Hz tone at -20vu & maximize both
channel levels to adjust record head height.  You should always have a unit
running at least an hour before final speed adjustment.
   As for Europe purchasing, I don't have info for you, but I am sure
someone else on the list can help with that.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Smetanig <w.smetanig at chello.at>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:03 AM
Subject: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes


>Hi to all Nakamaniacs!
>Hi Stephen Sank!
>
>I need to repair and adjust some Naka´s (i.e. Dragon, ZX7, CR7, LX5, LX3,
RX202,RX505,
>BX125, BX300) and therefore I want to know which utilities and tapes I will
really need
>(there are A and B versions(?) in the service manuals - DA09004A and
DA9004B - are
>there any differences?) - and - where can I get them (for a reasonable
price - best in
>Europe)
>
>Thank you all for your answers
>
>Wolfgang Smetanig
>
>
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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Thu Jul 20 19:03:47 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:33:47 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes
Message-ID: <000c01bff26c$79928b20$42d60192@vsnl>

Dear Stephen
What are the costs involved in alignment tapes ( five years back my friend
enquired at Nak service depot and got a quote something like 500 USD each -
is it same - particularly DA09007 tape? - when do you replace replay head
when using these tapes and find that response is down - say > -3Db ?

Kannan
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From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Friday, July 21, 2000 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes


>Essential are:
>DA09005 level 400Hz/0vu     (A/B/C/D designations on test tapes just
signify
>how recent the test tape version is, if their have been changes)
>DA09007 track alignment 1kHz (expensive!)
>DA09004 azimuth 15kHz
>DA09006 speed/w&f 3kHz
>with which you can do almost everything you'll need to do, as long as no
one
>has ever messed with the head tilt & tape guide adjustments.  If they might
>have, then you'll need:
>DA09039 tilt check gauge (really expensive)(it is possible, but really,
>really difficult to get tilts right without it)
>DA09071 tape travelling cassette(mirror cassette)(can be made yourself,
with
>much effort)
>    I've never ever needed the erase head tilt gauge or the stroke check
>gauge(that one is easy to eyeball) & the take up torque is easily checked
>with your fingers(should be just a bit more than enough to keep a moderate
>tension on the tape, usually less than a quarter turn from min on the adj
>pot on Sankyo mech decks).  The azimuth tape substitutes adequately for the
>PB freq response 15kHz tape(if response is down at that freq, you know
20kHz
>is only going to be worse).  You will also need, of course, TDK MA, SA & D
>blank tapes for rec calibration.  On the CR-7, you are likely to need the
>special test unit, DA09101A, which is not too expensive.  For head height
>adjusment, use the track alignment tape for the playback head, checking the
>azimuth before finalising, then record a 100Hz tone at -20vu & maximize
both
>channel levels to adjust record head height.  You should always have a unit
>running at least an hour before final speed adjustment.
>   As for Europe purchasing, I don't have info for you, but I am sure
>someone else on the list can help with that.
>
>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
>phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
>https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wolfgang Smetanig <w.smetanig at chello.at>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:03 AM
>Subject: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes
>
>
>>Hi to all Nakamaniacs!
>>Hi Stephen Sank!
>>
>>I need to repair and adjust some Naka´s (i.e. Dragon, ZX7, CR7, LX5, LX3,
>RX202,RX505,
>>BX125, BX300) and therefore I want to know which utilities and tapes I
will
>really need
>>(there are A and B versions(?) in the service manuals - DA09004A and
>DA9004B - are
>>there any differences?) - and - where can I get them (for a reasonable
>price - best in
>>Europe)
>>
>>Thank you all for your answers
>>
>>Wolfgang Smetanig
>>
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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Thu Jul 20 21:14:06 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:44:06 +0530
Subject: Fw: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
Message-ID: <003601bff27e$afd77f80$42d60192@vsnl>

Wouter / Norman
I am expecting a reply so that I can act asap
Kannan
-----Original Message-----
From: Kannan. S <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Cc: wheijke at xs4all.nl <wheijke at xs4all.nl>; n.van.wijnen at castel.nl
<n.van.wijnen at castel.nl>
Date: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online


>Dear Wouter
>I can upload the same again to Naks com server - incoming folder on this
>Sunday as they are huge and takes time to upload, is it allright? or shall
I
>mail those files to Norman?
>Kindly reply
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Friday, July 14, 2000 4:00 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>
>
>>Yes I remember those, I haven't seen them after the server crash, have to
>look at my
>>home-computer if they are there.
>>I didn;t have any tif to pdf software at that time, now I also have it...
>>
>>Wouter
>>
>>Norman van Wijnen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes i can help because my pdf maker can convert tif to pdf.
>>> You can send them to n.van.wijnen at castel.nl but we must contact Wouter
if
>he
>>> has not done the job already ,i think .
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kannan. S" <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
>>> To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>>> Sent: dinsdag 11 juli 2000 0:12
>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] N582 Service manual online
>>>
>>> > I had sent tiff format files of BX1 service manual and uploaded to
>>> incoming
>>> > of Naks server and Wouter promised to get it converted, ofcourse if
you
>>> can,
>>> > I will pass on those files to you
>>> > Kannan


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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Fri Jul 21 07:43:48 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:43:48 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes
Message-ID: <036b01bff2d6$a68f5e40$1593bccf@steve2>

If it's a Nak I can still get heads for, then -3dB loss at 15kHz is about
the cutoff.  If it's an old one I can't get heads for, I only give up if I
can't get it to within 3dB of flat with mod'ing the Pb EQ circuits.
The test tapes range from about $60 for the azimuth tape, $90 for the speed
tape, to about the $150 range for the ones more difficult to make, like the
track alignment tape.  The killer is the head tilt gauge, which was over
$300 ten years ago, as I recall.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kannan. S <qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes


>Dear Stephen
>What are the costs involved in alignment tapes ( five years back my friend
>enquired at Nak service depot and got a quote something like 500 USD each -
>is it same - particularly DA09007 tape? - when do you replace replay head
>when using these tapes and find that response is down - say > -3Db ?
>
>Kannan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>Date: Friday, July 21, 2000 2:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes
>
>
>>Essential are:
>>DA09005 level 400Hz/0vu     (A/B/C/D designations on test tapes just
>signify
>>how recent the test tape version is, if their have been changes)
>>DA09007 track alignment 1kHz (expensive!)
>>DA09004 azimuth 15kHz
>>DA09006 speed/w&f 3kHz
>>with which you can do almost everything you'll need to do, as long as no
>one
>>has ever messed with the head tilt & tape guide adjustments.  If they
might
>>have, then you'll need:
>>DA09039 tilt check gauge (really expensive)(it is possible, but really,
>>really difficult to get tilts right without it)
>>DA09071 tape travelling cassette(mirror cassette)(can be made yourself,
>with
>>much effort)
>>    I've never ever needed the erase head tilt gauge or the stroke check
>>gauge(that one is easy to eyeball) & the take up torque is easily checked
>>with your fingers(should be just a bit more than enough to keep a moderate
>>tension on the tape, usually less than a quarter turn from min on the adj
>>pot on Sankyo mech decks).  The azimuth tape substitutes adequately for
the
>>PB freq response 15kHz tape(if response is down at that freq, you know
>20kHz
>>is only going to be worse).  You will also need, of course, TDK MA, SA & D
>>blank tapes for rec calibration.  On the CR-7, you are likely to need the
>>special test unit, DA09101A, which is not too expensive.  For head height
>>adjusment, use the track alignment tape for the playback head, checking
the
>>azimuth before finalising, then record a 100Hz tone at -20vu & maximize
>both
>>channel levels to adjust record head height.  You should always have a
unit
>>running at least an hour before final speed adjustment.
>>   As for Europe purchasing, I don't have info for you, but I am sure
>>someone else on the list can help with that.
>>
>>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>>Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>>http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>>1624 Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>>Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
>>phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
>>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>>mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
>>https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Wolfgang Smetanig <w.smetanig at chello.at>
>>To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>>Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:03 AM
>>Subject: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes
>>
>>
>>>Hi to all Nakamaniacs!
>>>Hi Stephen Sank!
>>>
>>>I need to repair and adjust some Naka´s (i.e. Dragon, ZX7, CR7, LX5, LX3,
>>RX202,RX505,
>>>BX125, BX300) and therefore I want to know which utilities and tapes I
>will
>>really need
>>>(there are A and B versions(?) in the service manuals - DA09004A and
>>DA9004B - are
>>>there any differences?) - and - where can I get them (for a reasonable
>>price - best in
>>>Europe)
>>>
>>>Thank you all for your answers
>>>
>>>Wolfgang Smetanig
>>>
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From: nakamikaze at hotmail.com (Matyas)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:22:26 CEST
Subject: [naktalk] PB and ER head adjustment tools and tapes
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Sun Jul 30 17:09:24 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:09:24 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
Message-ID: <000f01bffa38$27742960$0100007f@boom>

Hi Naklovers!

Just got Nak 730, with infrared remote!
Any ideas about how good/bad it is?
What year it is? 

Thanks!
Mike

PS: Anyone has an expirience with 8-track cassette desk TASCAM 238?
I'm looking for online user manual or at least some direction about some
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sun Jul 30 21:58:07 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:58:07 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
Message-ID: <01b701bffa60$7c0a08a0$1593bccf@steve2>

I think the 730 is the sexiest looking receiver ever made.  I've only seen 3
or 4 of them in the last 15 years on my bench.  This is probably due to
small numbers sold, rather than lack of service need, as they have quite a
number of lamps & motor driven tuning & volume that need periodic service.
As I remember, it was $1390 new in about 1982, so it was in McIntosh land,
market-wise.  I've always lusted for one, myself.  Good score, dude.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:51 AM
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730


>Hi Naklovers!
>
>Just got Nak 730, with infrared remote!
>Any ideas about how good/bad it is?
>What year it is?
>
>Thanks!
>Mike
>
>PS: Anyone has an expirience with 8-track cassette desk TASCAM 238?
>I'm looking for online user manual or at least some direction about some
>functions.
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Sun Jul 30 22:11:56 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:11:56 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nak SP-7 headphones(buy or trade for service work)
Message-ID: <01c001bffa62$6a27de80$1593bccf@steve2>

I used to have two pairs of Nak SP-7 headphones, which I absolutely
loved(made the whole Grado line that everybody raves about sound like
trash), but they both got burned up in a fire a few years ago.  I would
really love to get one or two pairs again(one for shop, one for home shop).
I will be very grateful to anybody who can help me out finding them.  I
would buy, but I could pay a higher value in trading for service work.
Now's your chance to get a gear upgrade for a $70 pair of headphones!

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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From jmtooley at ce.net  Sun Jul 30 22:39:50 2000
From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nak SP-7 headphones(buy or trade for service work)
References: <01c001bffa62$6a27de80$1593bccf@steve2>
Message-ID: <007901bffa66$4f6fd300$ba496acf@jmtooley>

Stephen,

How about a pair of Stax Electrostatics instead?

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 4:11 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nak SP-7 headphones(buy or trade for service
work)


> I used to have two pairs of Nak SP-7 headphones, which I absolutely
> loved(made the whole Grado line that everybody raves about sound like
> trash), but they both got burned up in a fire a few years ago.  I would
> really love to get one or two pairs again(one for shop, one for home
shop).
> I will be very grateful to anybody who can help me out finding them.  I
> would buy, but I could pay a higher value in trading for service work.
> Now's your chance to get a gear upgrade for a $70 pair of headphones!
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
> phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
> https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Mon Jul 31 00:59:56 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:59:56 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
References: <01b701bffa60$7c0a08a0$1593bccf@steve2>
Message-ID: <001701bffa79$e35a5c80$0100007f@boom>

Hi Stephen!

You are absolutely right - many lamps, and I already replaced three.
It was realy triky - to open this baby! No visible bolts and only one
hidden -
whis moves side panel. Was it made with anty-service purpose? :))
I have a question - mine has place for the smap PCB on a preamp
board but there is no PCB at all... And looks like there was none from the
factory.
It has same connector as Naks Dolby boards. And it says "Dolby" on
a front panel. When I'm pressing "Dolby" button - there is no sound.
Is it means that "Dolby" board missed?

Stephen, do you have tech specs for Nak 730? Toroid size makes
me shure that it has at least 100 watts per channel. Am I right?

Thanks!
Misha


> I think the 730 is the sexiest looking receiver ever made.  I've only seen
3
> or 4 of them in the last 15 years on my bench.  This is probably due to
> small numbers sold, rather than lack of service need, as they have quite a
> number of lamps & motor driven tuning & volume that need periodic service.
> As I remember, it was $1390 new in about 1982, so it was in McIntosh land,
> market-wise.  I've always lusted for one, myself.  Good score, dude.
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
> phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
> https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
> Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:51 AM
> Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
>
>
> >Hi Naklovers!
> >
> >Just got Nak 730, with infrared remote!
> >Any ideas about how good/bad it is?
> >What year it is?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Mike
> >
> >PS: Anyone has an expirience with 8-track cassette desk TASCAM 238?
> >I'm looking for online user manual or at least some direction about some
> >functions.
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Jul 31 03:13:38 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:13:38 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
Message-ID: <001301bffa8c$8f8840a0$1793bccf@steve2>

I don't remember the card slot, but clearly is for a Dolby FM board, a
completely useless item.  Good guess- the rated power was 100w/ch/8ohms, but
it could do about 30 watts more than that continuous in actuality.  The
"chinese puzzle box" disassembly was mostly to accomodate the sleek, no
visible hardware cosmetics.  If you think that was hard to figure out, try a
Bang & Olufsen unit!  At least the Nak is worth the effort.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730


>Hi Stephen!
>
>You are absolutely right - many lamps, and I already replaced three.
>It was realy triky - to open this baby! No visible bolts and only one
>hidden -
>whis moves side panel. Was it made with anty-service purpose? :))
>I have a question - mine has place for the smap PCB on a preamp
>board but there is no PCB at all... And looks like there was none from the
>factory.
>It has same connector as Naks Dolby boards. And it says "Dolby" on
>a front panel. When I'm pressing "Dolby" button - there is no sound.
>Is it means that "Dolby" board missed?
>
>Stephen, do you have tech specs for Nak 730? Toroid size makes
>me shure that it has at least 100 watts per channel. Am I right?
>
>Thanks!
>Misha
>
>
>> I think the 730 is the sexiest looking receiver ever made.  I've only
seen
>3
>> or 4 of them in the last 15 years on my bench.  This is probably due to
>> small numbers sold, rather than lack of service need, as they have quite
a
>> number of lamps & motor driven tuning & volume that need periodic
service.
>> As I remember, it was $1390 new in about 1982, so it was in McIntosh
land,
>> market-wise.  I've always lusted for one, myself.  Good score, dude.
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
>> phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
>> https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
>> To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
>> Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:51 AM
>> Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
>>
>>
>> >Hi Naklovers!
>> >
>> >Just got Nak 730, with infrared remote!
>> >Any ideas about how good/bad it is?
>> >What year it is?
>> >
>> >Thanks!
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >PS: Anyone has an expirience with 8-track cassette desk TASCAM 238?
>> >I'm looking for online user manual or at least some direction about some
>> >functions.
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From bobcat250 at Home.com  Mon Jul 31 03:50:46 2000
From: bobcat250 at Home.com (bobcat250)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:50:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nak SP-7 headphones(buy or trade for service work)
References: <01c001bffa62$6a27de80$1593bccf@steve2>
Message-ID: <001401bffa91$bee8e840$50cf0418@brstl1.ct.home.com>

Steve, what are the Nak SP-7's?


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From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
To: <naktalk at naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 4:11 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nak SP-7 headphones(buy or trade for service
work)


> I used to have two pairs of Nak SP-7 headphones, which I absolutely
> loved(made the whole Grado line that everybody raves about sound like
> trash), but they both got burned up in a fire a few years ago.  I would
> really love to get one or two pairs again(one for shop, one for home
shop).
> I will be very grateful to anybody who can help me out finding them.  I
> would buy, but I could pay a higher value in trading for service work.
> Now's your chance to get a gear upgrade for a $70 pair of headphones!
>
> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
> phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
> https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Jul 31 10:57:48 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:57:48 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nak SP-7 headphones(buy or trade for service work)
Message-ID: <002a01bffacd$67932740$1793bccf@steve2>

The SP-7's were open-air dynamic headphones that Nak made from around 1984
to at least 1988, maybe as late as 1992.  Light weight, very comfortable &
the coolest thing was that they had this quality of being able to vibrate
the back of your head when you really cranked them up loud(which they could
do with ease).  Really great sound.  Best dynamic phones I have still ever
heard.  Total bargain at $70 retail.  Sounded better than any of the Grados,
Sennheisers, AKG's or Beyers.  They were also amazingly rugged.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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-----Original Message-----
From: bobcat250 <bobcat250 at Home.com>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wanted: Nak SP-7 headphones(buy or trade for service
work)


>Steve, what are the Nak SP-7's?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Sank" <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
>To: <naktalk at naks.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 4:11 PM
>Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: Nak SP-7 headphones(buy or trade for service
>work)
>
>
>> I used to have two pairs of Nak SP-7 headphones, which I absolutely
>> loved(made the whole Grado line that everybody raves about sound like
>> trash), but they both got burned up in a fire a few years ago.  I would
>> really love to get one or two pairs again(one for shop, one for home
>shop).
>> I will be very grateful to anybody who can help me out finding them.  I
>> would buy, but I could pay a higher value in trading for service work.
>> Now's your chance to get a gear upgrade for a $70 pair of headphones!
>>
>> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
>> Champlain Valley Speaker Company
>> http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
>> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
>> phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
>> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
>> mc/visa accepted via paypal.com
>> https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=stephen_sank%40rjknet.net
>>
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From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua  Mon Jul 31 13:59:23 2000
From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (MVM)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:59:23 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
References: <001301bffa8c$8f8840a0$1793bccf@steve2>
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Hi Stephen,

Some more questions about 730/ It has strange volume pot (first
from the left). What is it? Some kind of loudnes or something?
And "treshold" - on the opposite side. I also found battery pack inside. 
What's for? For remote or sensor turn-on? Thanks a lot!

Misha
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From stephen_sank at rjknet.net  Mon Jul 31 22:46:10 2000
From: stephen_sank at rjknet.net (Stephen Sank)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:46:10 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
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You're really taxing my memory here, but I believe the threshold is the
muting/search stop sensitivity for the tuner.  The batteries are to maintain
the tuning preset memories.  I think the pot you mention is the variable
loudness contour(bass/treble boost), as the volume is a motorised pot with
touch controls on the upper front.

Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company
http://rjknet.net/bus/cvspeakerco/default.htm
1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [ 87112 ]
phone 505-296-8795 / fax 505-293-4614 / home 505-332-0336
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From: MVM <MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua>
To: naktalk at naks.com <naktalk at naks.com>
Date: Monday, July 31, 2000 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730


>Hi Stephen,
>
>Some more questions about 730/ It has strange volume pot (first
>from the left). What is it? Some kind of loudnes or something?
>And "treshold" - on the opposite side. I also found battery pack inside.
>What's for? For remote or sensor turn-on? Thanks a lot!
>
>Misha
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From jeidbo at toolcity.net  Mon Jul 31 22:59:20 2000
From: jeidbo at toolcity.net (Joel Eidbo)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:59:20 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
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any idea about the pioneer elite yet?  thanks, joel


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From qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in  Mon Jul 31 20:12:54 2000
From: qspl at blr.vsnl.net.in (Kannan. S)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:42:54 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730
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Dear Stephen
I bought a secondhand Dragon rcently ( ofcourse with problems) - I was
hunting for one in India for the past two years and getting Mint Nak Dragon
is impossible here!
The NAAC doesnot work properly . Sub adjust preset is the one to get channel
balance I suppose to null equal signal from main and sub signals. Since I
would like to buy the Dragon manual it would be a big task for me sitting in
India. I usually ask my friend or my brother  to get it from Nak service
center,, but I apologise to trouble you at this point as at least the
schematics of NAAC circuit with adjustment methods would be helpful thru
email or I have to wait few months before manual arrives. I already found
Motor drive transistor ( NPN) to be faulty and treplaced it. However the
motor always pulls the Spring out ( occasionally the motor rotates
opposite). And ofcourse I had to disconnct the motor and working without
NAAC. Also I noticed that forward / rev adjust preset sets the initial
location of the position of play azimuth so this part works however channel
balance between sub signal and main signal when the azimuth is right doesnot
work and always motor drives the azimuth to wrong end, Also I found when the
motor driven to one end the motor should stop taking the voltage from feed
back pot inside the motor but it takes time. So schematics would be very
good help to solve this problem.

Also playback output on right channel ( both reverse as well as forward goes
down by 10- 15 Db suddenly and after introducing a strong noise by touching
any of the signal path brings back right channel signal level temporarily to
original level. Sometimes after on for an hour or so it works fine till
switched off. I suspect 4066 CMOS switch may be having a problem ( If so
both forward right channel and reverse right channel switches both faulty)
or any of the Capacitor( coupling ) in the signal path may be causing this.
Dolby IC and the buffer before can be also be suspect. But I read earlier
that 4066 are not suitable compared to electromech relays. Here to rule out
CMOS - I plan to interchange the left and right channel output after CMOS
switch and check out as my hand near any of the signal path it introduces
strong signal and output goes up to normal. Did you face any problem with
CMOS switches of Dragon in your service experience or did you suspect
anything specific in this symptom.

Also can you arrange a regular copy or Xerox copy of Dragon Manual and I can
arrange the money thru my brother or if time permits I can send from India.
If money to be sent to you from US sources what method you prefer from my
brother.
Thanks in advance
Kannan
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From: Stephen Sank <stephen_sank at rjknet.net>
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Date: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Receiver Nak 730


>You're really taxing my memory here,

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